Jason Corley was ejected from the band at the end of 1994, and replaced by Andy Hassler. Phil Vera was also added as a 2nd guitarist. The band released "Blaze of Incompetence" in 1997 (again on Pessimiser/Theologian), and did a US tour with Grief in 1998. Andy Hassler was fired shortly after the tour. R.D. Davies replaced Andy, but he overdosed on heroin 6 months later and was replaced by Mark Sanger. The next album, "Zoloft Smile," was recorded in 1999/2000, but wasn't released until 2002 by At A Loss Recordings. By the time the album was actually released, Bobby and Tony had both quit the band. The rest of the guys carried on with Phil being the lone guitar player. Nial McGaughey and later, Rafa Martinez handled bass duties. Phil took over vocal duties in 2003, after Cris was forced to go to rehab for alcohol and drug dependency. The band toured the US and Japan as a three-piece (Phil, Mark, Rafa), until calling it quits in 2004.
The band reunited in 2007 (Bobby, Cris, Jason, Tony) and subsequently got a deal with Relapse Records. Their Relapse debut, "Bridges to Burn," was relased in Jan. 2009. The band parted ways with Jason Corley again, and recruited Mateo Pinkerton (ex Buzzov•en, Crom) as their new drummer. The band toured Europe in March and June of 2010, culminating in an appearance at Hellfest in France.
2010 saw Relapse reissue the group's 1993 debut, and 2012 yielded
the band's sixth studio long-player, Deep Cuts from Dark Clouds. In 2014 the band added drummer
Dion Thurman and bassist Barney Firks. The punishing Lifespan of a Moth followed in 2016. In 2016,
Alex Shuster was added as lead guitarist and subsequently became the in house producer. Fast
forward to 2020 and -(16)- return with their new album, Dream Squasher. A testament to the power
of loss, every moment of Dream Squasher casts the now San Diego based band into new, deeper
depths.
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Hate
16 Lyrics
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Cold winds blowing all across this land
I see a red door and I want to paint it black
I press my thumb and the world goes back
One day you'll be sorry
But you don't see it now
Go ahead and stop me
You know how
Plant both feet on the ground
Wake up buddy
Hate makes the world go round
Bigotry and prejudice
Doing okay
Inbred motives
We don't kiss all day
The Sun won't shine
If I get my way
Try to picture my smiling face
One day you'll be sorry
But you don't see it now
Go ahead and stop me
You know how
Better get a grip man
Plant both feet on the ground
Wake up buddy
Hate makes the free world go round
One day you'll be sorry
But you don't see it now
Go ahead and stop me
You know how
Better get a grip man
Plant both feet on the ground
Wake up asshole
Hate makes the fucking world go round
The lyrics of the song, Hate by 16, suggest a cynical and nihilistic perspective on the world. The song seems to comment on the fact that hatred and prejudice are prevalent in today's society and that these negative emotions are the driving force behind many of the world's conflicts. The first four lines of the song "A rose is a rose but not in my hands, cold winds blowing all across this land, I see a red door and I want to paint it black, I press my thumb and the world goes back" are poetic and cryptic with some potential connotations.
It is also apparent that the singer is addressing someone who is ignorant and blind to the consequences of their actions. The lines "One day you'll be sorry, but you don't see it now, go ahead and stop me, you know how" seem to suggest that the one being addressed does not understand the gravity of their actions, but the singer also seems to acknowledge that they cannot be stopped. The lines "Better get a grip man, plant both feet on the ground, wake up buddy, hate makes the world go round" suggest that hatred is a powerful force that shapes the world, and that one needs to come to terms with this fact if they want to survive.
Perhaps the most provocative lines of the song are "Bigotry and prejudice doing okay, Inbred motives, we don't kiss all day, The sun won't shine if I get my way." These lines suggest some form of oppression or hate and that it is not being checked. However, the singer seems to be aware that this will ultimately lead to the downfall of the oppressor, they will one day regret their actions but not any help can come by then. The final lines of the song "Wake up asshole, hate makes the fucking world go round" are overtly provocative, and likely meant to shock the listeners and snap them out of their apathy.
Line by Line Meaning
A rose is a rose but not in my hands
I view things differently, and what may seem ordinary to others may not be the same in my hands.
Cold winds blowing all across this land
There's a sense of bleakness and negativity in the world that's affecting everyone and everything around us.
I see a red door and I want to paint it black
There are things that I want to change or destroy, regardless of their inherent value or beauty.
I press my thumb and the world goes back
I have the power to make things regress or go back to a previous state, just with a single gesture.
One day you'll be sorry
People will come to regret their actions and words at some point in their life.
But you don't see it now
They're oblivious to the consequences of their current behavior or choices.
Go ahead and stop me
Challenges or opposition don't deter me, and I'm determined to follow through with my plans.
You know how
I'm confident in my abilities and skills to overcome obstacles or objections to my actions.
Better get a grip man
It's important to stay grounded and focused in order to achieve my goals or plans.
Plant both feet on the ground
Have a strong foundation, and be prepared to withstand anything or anyone that comes my way.
Wake up buddy
Be aware of what's happening around you, and recognize the negative impact that hate and prejudice have on the world.
Hate makes the world go round
Unfortunately, there are people who thrive on hate and negativity, and it seems to be an integral part of the world we live in.
Bigotry and prejudice
Closed-mindedness and preconceived biases towards people or groups creates division and animosity.
Doing okay
Unfortunately, these negative attitudes are still perpetuated and accepted by many in society.
Inbred motives
Some people's hatred and bigotry is learned and passed down through generations, often without question or examination.
We don't kiss all day
There's a sense of disdain towards those who are more affectionate or loving towards one another.
The Sun won't shine
If hate and negativity continue to be prevalent, it will darken every aspect of our lives and the world we live in.
Try to picture my smiling face
Despite the negativity and hatred I may showcase, I still see myself as someone who can be happy or fulfilled.
Wake up asshole
A harsh call to action for those who refuse to acknowledge the harm that their hate and bigotry is causing.
Hate makes the fucking world go round
A direct and explicit statement on the unfortunate fact that hate still seems to be a driving force in the world we live in.
Writer(s): Angus Mckinnon Young, Rollins, Maurice Ernest Gibb, Robin Hugh Gibb, Andre Young, Barry Gibb Copyright: Crompton Songs, Ain'T Nothing But Funkin' Music, Gibb Brothers Music, Universal Music Publishing Int. Mgb Ltd., WB Music Corp.
Contributed by Makayla T. Suggest a correction in the comments below.
Ghosty
So - I came here from spotify just to comment on the inner monologue thing, because I haven’t figured out how to comment there yet XD. I usually listen on that app because it drains my phone battery less.
Anyway - I think I use a mix of “we” and “I” because of how I see the organization of my brain. I shared this idea with my brother too who has OCD and who wanted to know how I came to see my thoughts as not being “me”.
Basically I see my skull as a building, myself as an administrative employee inside the building, my body as a computer, and my unprompted/reflexive thoughts as a bunch of emails that my horribly inept boss (my brain) keeps spamming me with. That idea is especially how I contextualize my anxiety. For example, I can imagine getting one email saying “I just ruined a very important relationship, we’re done for” one minute and going through an anxiety spiral only for me to - about an hour later - talk it out and come to a conclusion where my brain admits “lol, false alarm”.
So essentially the me inside my head is trying to manage and assist the incompetent boss, who spams me with incorrect or panicked assumptions constantly and who is bad at answering/communicating… but who I can’t always assume is mistaken. After all, dumb boss brain controls a lot of things, so who’s to say sometimes that my brain malfunctioning didn’t cause me to make a mistake or hurt someone? Because of that, inner me has to constantly question wether the boss notifying me that something is on fire is correct - and then if it is, I have to figure out how to handle the situation and extinguish the flames.
The body as a computer analogy also helps me think in terms of “I need to input a command to make something happen (executive dysfunction/functioning), but also this is an old and slow device that sometimes comes down with malware (illness or mental health) and stops working/doesn’t work (no happy chemicals for brain to work, not processing important info, being made to lay down for a day because I feel like crap) and I have to troubleshoot it (self care or coping mechanisms)/assure the boss that things are working and we aren’t about to face a catastrophic failure (hypochondria)”. I have ADHD, Anxiety, and Depression (plus physical issues) so I DO have to consciously engage in a lot of things even on medicine, as not a lot of automatic “background programs” aren’t running and medicine just means the computer will struggle less and go faster when I ask it to do something.
All of this kind of accounts for when I use “I” versus “We”.
“I” is when administrative me is talking to myself (“I have no clue what that person just said to me”). “We” is when I am trying to gain the cooperation of my brain or body (“we need to take a shower today”).
All if this to say that I see myself as a consciousness trying to manage two different uncooperative systems, and so the inner monologue has to go back and forth a bunch XD. I’m sure a LOT of people with chronic issues would find this approach helpful, and so you’re more likely to see “we” type inner monologue with them.
CrossroadsWanderer
No worries about scaling back a bit! I enjoy listening to this pod but I don't want you to burn yourselves out.
Everyone is talking about Baldur's Gate 3! I'm in a precarious work situation at the moment, so I can't afford it yet, but I should be better off late this year or early next year and I can't wait to get it. I've played the earlier games in the series and it shaped a lot of my interest in videogames. The first game can be brutal when you're a kid aimlessly wandering through the game world, though. I got Jaheira killed by ankhegs so. Many. Times. A lot of modern games are more accessible for less experienced players (and I think that's a good thing, to be clear) but I'm not sure whether BG3 is going to be easy to get into or not. I played Divinity: Original Sin (same studio as BG3) and it was kind of brutal to start. I'm sure I'll like it either way, though.
I haven't played with slime since I was a kid and Gak and similar stuff was popular, but I do remember the lingering smell thing. Probably why I haven't played with it in a long time! I do get the allure of the texture, though.
I don't know how much this is relevant to the conversation about referring to yourself, but I vaguely remember reading something years ago about how a singular identity is sort of a construction of the human brain in the same way the things we see don't perfectly reflect the reality of the world around us. It fills in some gaps to sort of create a cohesive narrative over all these different signals and parts of the brain communicating with each other. I don't remember enough details to say how much of it was science vs. philosophy, but it's an interesting thing I think about sometimes.
I feel Mickey on the disappointing fast food thing. After I went vegetarian, I found out how poorly equipped many restaurants are to serve people who don't eat meat. I've had so many disappointing fast food meals because they messed up and gave me the meat version, or had a really shitty vegetarian option, or in one case when I asked them for the vegetarian version of something - the vegetarian version was specifically on the menu - they perplexingly removed the guac from it. And I'm the only person in my household who doesn't eat meat, so they can't offer to share something with me. I'm trying to be vegan now so it's even more of a minefield eating out and I rarely do it anymore. It's so expensive to eat out now, so it's probably for the best, though.
There are a lot of people on reddit who seem to hate their spouses. There are so many stories of people who care more about technicalities and pointless principles and won't extend the simplest kindness or will even spitefully hurt people they supposedly love.
I'm not a parent either, but that college story feels relevant to my life experience as the child in that sort of dynamic. A lot of parents seem to think that children suddenly become independent, fully-functional adults the second they turn 18, after a childhood of sheltering their children and keeping them from making decisions for themselves. Sometimes people will fail, and helping them fail gracefully is what parents should be doing. I think there are also too many shitty parents who don't listen to what their children tell them about their feelings and motivations and will ignore adults who don't have children who might stand up for the child's perspective, so a lot of people willfully shelter themselves from ever having to think of their children as independent human beings. Maybe I'm being a bit too bitter there, but my parents are certainly in the willfully ignorant camp, even if the parent in the story isn't necessarily.
The wedding one sounds like everyone sucks. It seems like the groom wasn't very understanding about her initial emotional reaction and probably said something that didn't feel supportive. I do think the bride was potentially worse overall after she asked the sister and nephew to leave. I agree with you about when people are passive-aggressive in how they dress at weddings, though, and there are a lot of unknown factors that could change things. The fact he avoided the comments asking for info is pretty sketchy.
Thanks for another episode!
sweetstacks
I looked into the college story, and OP said the friends are "not from a good part of town." This feels like missing missing reasons.
I can relate to being dependent on a parent. My mother (to whom I no longer talk) refused to let me learn how to drive or get a job in high school, so I was not only wholly dependent on her, but also afraid to do things on my own. Even now, at 30 years old, I doubt myself a lot and my self-confidence is something I think I'll always have to work on.
Kar
Britney Spears making INTERNATIONAL headlines for going to the gas station and buying a buzzball tells me the effects of this strike are immense.. Lolol
Fabienne
Quality over quantity! Each pod episode you make is top tier. 🔥
Danny D
Absolutely come visit us at Michael's. It's the best company I've ever worked for. They are accepting of all people its so awesome.
At my wedding everyone got food poisoning and my mom cussed out the officiant. Also my aunt said our marriage would not last because our ceremony was cheap. The ac was broken (im in Texas) it was absolutely the worst day ever. Married 12 yrs now.
resting sad face
please do more of AITA on the podcast! I feel like y’all really level each other out and see both sides of a potential issue. I think AITA fits strangely good on y’all together
Shinigaymi
I just want to say how much I love this podcast. You’re both some of my comfort YouTubers and having you chat together for however long is great to listen to after work.
Parker Jones
The college story hit home. I’ve had to take two semesters off from college (not in a row, but still) because of severe mental breakdowns and I’m so worried about going back and being a year older than the other people in my class. It’s not like I’ve had much of a choice in the matter, but I’ve already had such a stunted college social experience because of the pandemic (I graduated high school in 2020). I’m just not sure if I’ll ever get those core experiences back that everyone talks about having in college. Sorry for venting on main lol
resting sad face
on the wedding story, when the op said “a child doesn’t know what colors to wear”, I was like “yeah but the 3y old didn’t dress himself…his parents who ALREADY KNOW the dress code did???” I hate how men on Reddit always choose to play obtuse.
and also the fact that op only ignored the questions his sister and wife’s relationship is evidence he knows they have beef but doesn’t wanna acknowledge it.
Chris Karn
I was literally waiting for the episode to drop! Missed you girls!
Elsie Nelson
I do inner child work so I refer to myself as “we” in my monologues because theoretically there’s a small, medium, and large version of myself that has needs that should be met lol