One way
A League Of Our Own Vol. 2 Lyrics

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Raise your window
I ain't goin' out that door
Raise your window
I ain't goin' out that door
'Cause the man out there might
Be your man, I don't know
If you raise your window
I can ease out soft and low

If you raise your window
I can ease out soft and low
Your neighbors gonna be talkin'
That stuff, me don't know
Ain't but one way out
I ain't goin' out that door
Ain't but one way out
I ain't goin' out that door
If I get away this time
I won't be caught no more
Ain't but one way out
I ain't goin' out that door
Ain't but one way out
I ain't goin' out that door

If I get away this time
I won't be caught no more

Overall Meaning

The song "One Way" by A League Of Our Own Vol. 2 tells the story of a man who is trying to sneak out of a woman's house without being seen by her neighbors or her man. He asks her to raise her window so he can slip out quietly, because he doesn't want to risk running into her man. He knows that if he is caught, there will be trouble. He emphasizes that he only has one option - to escape through the window - and that he won't try to leave via the door. The man is clearly trying to avoid being caught in a compromising situation or getting himself into any kind of trouble. He promises that if he escapes this time, he won't be caught again.

The lyrics paint a picture of someone who is trying to sneak away undetected, perhaps reflecting a certain level of guilt or shame on the part of the man. He is apprehensive and cautious, trying not to raise suspicion. The repetition of the line "Ain't but one way out, I ain't goin' out that door" reinforces the sense of urgency and determination that the man feels to escape without being seen. Additionally, the lines "If you raise your window I can ease out soft and low / Your neighbors gonna be talkin' that stuff, me don't know" suggest that he is concerned about his reputation and what others might think of him.

Line by Line Meaning

Raise your window
Please open your window

I ain't goin' out that door
I do not want to leave through the door

Cause the man out there might / Be your man, I don't know
There might be a man outside who could potentially be your partner, but I am not sure

If you raise your window / I can ease out soft and low
If you open your window, I can quietly and discreetly leave

Your neighbors gonna be talkin' / That stuff, me don't know
Your neighbors might start gossiping once they see me leaving, but I don't really care

Ain't but one way out / I ain't goin' out that door
There's only one way for me to leave and it's not through the door

If I get away this time / I won't be caught no more
If I successfully leave without being caught, I won't get caught again

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Written by: MARSHALL E SEHORN, ELMORE JAMES, SONNY BOY WILLIAMSON

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Most interesting comments from YouTube:

Eris123

2y↑2

Off the top of my head:

Marvel Man, (possibly still my absolute favorite comic ever.)

V for Vendetta
Swamp Thing, (introducing John Constantine.)
Promethea
Top Ten
Watchmen, (if you must not a favorite of mine.)
The Ballad of Halo Jones
The Killing Joke
LEG, (certainly the first 2 arcs and the Jeeves & Wooster story from The Black Dossier.)

All good stuff and all of them well worth reading.

Jed Grahek

2y↑4

I was willing to give this all a pass until the explanation of Golliwog, which made me wonder how thoroughly he understood any of the choices he was making. Like, what the hell was he talking about there? I'm truly confused about what even he thought he meant. Just weird British ignorance of the nuances of American racism? I recall other things British people have made that reference the civil rights movement or slavery etc can be pretty cringy in general even when they think they are being well intentioned.

edit: Well whatever everything else is a lot of fun, I'm trying to just forget about that so I can enjoy the rest of it... I actually get something out of that panel of Harry Potter pissing lightning victory... as in all of his actual victories are piss easy or amount to him and/or Rowling "taking the piss" or whatever that British slang saying that means being lazy and unserious, it kind of all fits for me and I see it as justified and not just obscenity for its own sake at all.

And then he brings the G back that way in the prose story : (

And then he references Homicide: Life on the Street : D

Last thing... what jumps out at me, in regard to what "feels missing"... it isn't just that it's Eurocentric, but almost utterly Anglo-American-centric. What I see missing the most is any Russian authors. Russian literature has a pretty serious seat at the table when it comes to whatever is generally considered the "Western Literary Canon", and its absence really does spotlight how extremely Anglo-centric it is... which I can't really understand the purpose of. Maybe it's just personal and that happens to be what he's read... but that almost doesn't make sense for his experience to be so limited. So then why this deliberate choice to exclude nearly anything not British or American? It's an odd choice for what is basically his swan song.

All comments from YouTube:

MRAakaCR

2y↑408

Alternative title: Kyle trying to come to terms with the fact that he's into crossover AU angsty smut fanfiction for 111 minutes

Bluecho4

2y↑16

I mean, we've all read/penned at least one angsty crossover fanfic in our times, haven't we?

Nathan Vaaga

2y↑18

Kyle trying to come to terms with whatever he's about to say for 111 minutes

DaiKaiser 93

2y↑15

Come on, who isn't?

Lazar Soljaga

2y↑136

"Culture is becoming more cloud-like. And Allan Moore is the old man to yell at it"... My God i missed this man.

Brandon Taylor

2y↑97

Not sure if it was an intentional joke or not, but I love how "Dorian Grey," pops up right when they say "hasn't aged well at all."

I hope it was intentional because I love it.

snakebitcat

2y↑83

Kyle: “Why does Hyde have Predator vision?”

Me: “For volume two.”

Crow T. Robot

2y↑195

"Why is Mary Poppins God?"

Because...she's practically perfect in every way?

GameStation26

@Scott Field Leia wasn't even posing the same way when she Force-pulled herself in. Why do people always compare the two?

Bleddyn Wolf

2y↑4

@Zachary Simonson still works

Zachary Simonson

2y↑6

Neil Gaiman didn't make Mary Poppins God, but he made her Jesus's nanny.

Austin Liu Mello

2y↑5

Yea, I immediately accepted that Mary Poppins would be god. It passes the smell test effortlessly. Honestly the best candidate I've heard suggested. This is my religion now.

Bleddyn Wolf

2y↑10

if you've read the books, her being god, or at least of deity power is almost canon

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csljrrt09

2y↑54

When you explained where Babar the Elephant was placed I literally paused the video and had to think about it for a couple of minutes. That was probably what broke me. 🐍

Matt Eldritch

2y↑2

@Ranger Kasdorf In the Jess Nevin's annotations, I think it was as a commentary towards colonialsim and implying that Kurtz killed Babar's family.

csljrrt09

@Ranger Kasdorf He is going to be turned into a hunting trophy.

Ranger Kasdorf

I'm still not sure I get exactly what the implication is honestly. I suspect it's something unsavory.

David Dalziel

2y↑353

Me before watching: "So, it's that thing that's basically The Avengers but with classic literature? Cool."
Me about 60% of the way through: "I'm glad to be a fan of things that make sense, like Kingdom Hearts and Homestuck."

EDIT
Me, a day later, 99.7% of the way through: 🐍

Bluecho4

2y↑7

As an OG fan of Homestuck, I LOL'd.

It keeps hapening.

VTMarik

2y↑1

🐍

Debra Chambers

2y↑6

My mind would've compared them to the Justice League first. Because, y'know, they both have the word "League" in the name

Cool Cat

2y↑5

I was young when this video started. Now my brain fucking hurts.

Vuoto Pneumatico Non Non

2y↑7

A duck?
You think they're cuddly, but I think they're sinister.

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ActuallyAnanya

2y↑188

I'm Indian and I've never heard of the name "Janni" being used by a South Asian. Jhanvi/Jaanvi or Jhanki/Jaanki could've been used instead. I have an aunt named Jincy. Looking it up, there's even a very rare name, "Jennet" meaning heavensent, which would've been perfect for a mishearing as Jenny.

Morgana l’Abeille

2y↑10

Jennet could've been misheard as Janet. Or heck it could've just been transliterated that way.

Sebastian Keil

2y↑16

My girlfriend's childhood bestie is half-indian and her name is Jehanra, which is usually shortened to Janni. Her dad's family are parsis though which might explain why it's uncommon.

Rex Mundane

2y↑160

1:00:19 We can perhaps only guess Moore's specific take on Rowling, but I remember a point Terry Pratchett had been making around the same time, that I wonder if Moore shared. How she, and her enthusiastic press coverage, didn't seem to have much regard for the actual state of Fantasy/Genre Fiction at that time, that elevating her shouldn't mean diminishing every other author to exist between herself and Tolkein. That unnatural popularity/charisma would also jibe with many popular interpretations of Antichrist figures as well, even if here it'd be more subtext than text, but again, guessing here.

"Rowling says that she didn’t realise that the first Potter book was fantasy until after it was published. I’m not the world’s greatest expert, but I would have thought that the wizards, witches, trolls, unicorns, hidden worlds, jumping chocolate frogs, owl mail, magic food, ghosts, broomsticks and spells would have given her a clue?" - Terry Pratchett

The mortifying ordeal of being your Mom

2y↑9

I felt this way when Atwood was all "Oh, it's not scifi." about Oryx and Crate. Like, you wrote about super-internet and crazy genetic manipulation... in the FUTURE. How is that not scifi?

Totally Not Alpharius

2y↑18

@Mark Salmoneus Sorcerer Supreme an insult to delicious frosted breakfast treats tbh

Mark Salmoneus Sorcerer Supreme

2y↑6

JK Rowling's a Giant pop tart.

StealthMarmot

2y↑2

...wow, as if I couldn't love Terry Pratchett more, here he is making a commentary that effectively is calling Rowling a basic bitch.

Granted this was before we found out she was a TERF but in retrospect yeah, even without that she kind of is.

Geoffrey Richards

2y↑30

My guess is that the media hype was mostly centered around just how popular the books were amongst children. Most authors tend to struggle or even die in obscurity before becoming a household name, but she was one of the very few lucky ones who happened to strike gold with her first book.

Jose Garcia

2y↑95

"Why is God Mary Poppins." I had no idea I would ever hear such absurdity, yet only see the video dive into further madness. The only exposure to the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen for me was the movie and I am happier now knowing more about the original vision from Alan Moore.

Jaspertine

2y↑76

Wait, the amazon women on the moon are out of sperm?
You're telling me this comic made "Snu Snu" a plot point?

J Grant

2y↑8

this is really recontextualizing that cute myth about the rabbit on the moon that pounds a sticky white substance into candy >.>>>

Secret Screening

2y↑152

Speaking as someone who noped out of The League when Pollyanna was Alan Moored, I deeply appreciate this deepest of dives into the entirety of this opus. 🐍

Katherine Alvarez

2y↑8

I noped out out after the whole Not Harry Potter (haven't read Black Dossier though).

The Other OhlourdesPadua

2y↑9

Don't ever read his other work The Lost Girls. Pollyanna got the light treatment compared to Wendy (Peter Pan), Alice (Alice in Wonderland), and Dorothy (Wizard of Oz)...

The Kraken Experiment

2y↑169

As much as I love Alan Moore’s writing and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen in particular, I can’t help but find some of Moore’s beliefs to be hypocritical. He is very vocal about his displeasure towards writers adapting or reinterpreting his work, yet he doesn’t seem to realize that he does the same thing to other writers. I doubt that Lewis Carroll would appreciate how Alice is portrayed in Lost Girls and I’m certain Eleanor H Porter would not like Pollyanna being Alan Moored. 🐍

Mark Salmoneus Sorcerer Supreme

Lol nobody said he was perfect that's for sure.

rafmeinster

@Sarah plays How much of Alan Moore's work have you read?

Sarah plays

2y↑4

I’ve always found Moore’s body of work rather middling and derivative and never understood the fuss. Competent but not genius, pedestrian and not profound.

Shane Noble

2y↑11

I think Moore believes he's talented enough to do what he's doing, but the people messing with his creations are not.

winterhtech

It's as if he ahem Alan Moore's these literary characters.

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Mutated Mae

2y↑32

Perhaps the most baffling omission from this series? Paddington. Most likely because most of the conflicts could be resolved with a "hard stare".

ConvincingPeople

2y↑1

@20161106a YT No, I can differentiate between fictional bears. Winnie-the-Pooh shows up much more prominently.

20161106a YT

2y↑1

@ConvincingPeople I’m pretty sure you’re thinking of Winnie the Pooh

ConvincingPeople

2y↑1

I think Paddington does make a cameo if you're paying really close attention.

20161106a YT

2y↑8

A similar omission could be Hercule Poirot or Miss Marple.
Or at least in my opinion.

Troy Jardine

2y↑76

58:40 Holy shit! I knew you couldn't make a story containing all of the United Kingdom's fantasy stories without a mention of Thomas the Tank Engine!

Geoffrey Richards

@TrojanTeapot He could’ve gotten away with a couple stealthy references. I mean, Edward M. Erdelac got away with conflating Sauron with Nyarlathotep in his “Merkabah Rider” series.

TrojanTeapot

2y↑1

@Geoffrey Richards The Tolkien estate would never let him.

Geoffrey Richards

2y↑16

Well, he did neglect Tolkien’s work - which is surprising.

Felladin

2y↑72

The last part, how fiction that is based on references forgets references outside the authors sphere is one of my issues with Ready Player One. The premise is to know everything about pop culture, but there is nothing from Soviet movies that were spread in Europe, or the French/Belgian cartoons that didn't cross the sea.
And this is just my viewpoint as a Swede, which was still a very US influenced cultural childhood.

Austin Reed

The illustrators did add some more cameos from outside Moore’s “sphere”, probably thanks to the wonders of GIS. Jury’s out on whether those references are even canon.

Austin Reed

@Walrus Armageddon

I vaguely remember Jacob Two Two on Qubo. It sucked.

ScienceFantastique

Ya I don’t think Ernest Cline has seen Come and See or ANYTHING by Andrey Tartakovsky.

Walrus Armageddon

2y↑3

As a Canadian I empathize, grew up with nickleodean but would be more than suprised if anybody outside Canada knows Ivan of the Yukon or Jacob Two Two or Being Ian.

Hobie Folis

2y↑4

Projects like these CAN be used as a way to increase any work's notoriety. Put less known ones alongside better known ones. Put other country's characters in there alongside the more famous British and American ones. Rescue forgotten undersung works and include them.

But that's work a lot of people aren't willing to do. And when people don't fight back, gatekeepers win.

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Drilling4mana

2y↑258

Okay wow, "We're rebuilding a childhood with our pop culture" has simultaneously helped me understand why I am dissatisfied with modern media in a big way and profoundly bummed me out. But like. In a good way. Constructively.

fuzzballzz36

2y↑1

@TheOldMPClub which is a shame, but that sounds accurate. I much preferred when films challenged you and made their audiences question everything.

TheOldMPClub

2y↑6

I think he meant it more in terms of "making pop culture something that makes you feel like a protected child that makes you feel good rather than challenged"

Geoffrey Richards

2y↑3

@Ali Irfan I don't know if I would call it a 'modern' tend, given that reboots and adaptations of popular franchises and nostalgic media has been a thing since Hollywood first started.

Firstname Lastname

2y↑2

They're rebuilding it with my childhoods pop culture.

Firstname Lastname

2y↑2

@Drilling4mana A Vincent Price movie.

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Adam Hoffman

2y↑66

I’d like to point out that not only are Squidward and Moby Dick in the same panel, it’s Moby Dick drawn to resemble the version from the Hanna-Barbera cartoon Moby Dick and the Mighty Mightor.

John Barten

2y↑2

Dude you gotta tell me which issue that is, because I’ve been trying to find it. I NEED to see this lol 🐍

Morgan Qorishchi

2y↑36

This whole thing feels like a fever dream in all the same ways Jenny Nicholson's THE Vampire Diaries Video does, and as in-depth. It's delightful and also had me staring at my screen in mesmerized shock. Edit: Also just like what you took inspiration from, I keep catching details upon rewatches that my brain refused to process the first time. Pitch perfect in tone and information density. Well done!

Bryan Marco

2y↑63

SPOILER WARNING
37:04

This subversion of "Billy Bunter to Big Brother" that Alan Moore and George Orwell thought of, reminds me of a lesser-known work by Umberto Eco: "DIARIO MINIMO, Elogio a Franti" (In Praise of Franti), referring to the italian children's novel "CUORE" (HEART: Diary of a Child), written by Edmondo De Amicis and published in 1886, 25 years after the unification of Italy.
Franti's character in the novel is a negative, irreverent and disrespectful figure towards Order, while the rest of the characters ARE the model to aspire to in order to be future citizens and subjects of the Kingdom of Italy.
From this base, Umberto Eco underlines how this generation of kids will grow up to give life to Fascism.
In contrast to the little considered, hated Franti with his sarcastic smile is a rebellious, anti-authoritarian and anti-fascist figure.

David Gonzalez

2y↑13

Well, the the story is Anglocentric... And is kinda of the point. I mean, I fell honoured to see a couple of references to 100 years of solitude (O felt hillarious the fact that the narrator doubt if all the Aurelianos and Arcadios weren't actually the same person with a kind of immortality) but for the most time I fell like a reader that I was seeing a world formed by the Anglo-Saxon pulp and "lower literature" universe, something that could live on the subconscious of an Englishman . I mean, try to actually comprise all literature of all the world ... Not only logistical imposible, but narratively impractical and actually pointless.

Careless Fool

2y↑27

Kyle developed his obsession with LOEG in 2005 and ended this video on The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny. Pure poetry.

🐍

John Ohno

2y↑82

So, here's my position on why Mary Poppins is god: P. L. Travers was part of G. I. Gurdjieff's 4th way group/cult/whatever, & modeled the character of Mary Poppins partially on her take on Gurdjieff's idea of what a fully awakened/ascended human would be like.

Gurdjieff's model was based on the idea that most people spend most of their time fixated on either their thoughts or their feelings & didn't pay enough attention to both the outside world and their inner experience of being embodied, & thought that through a sustained process of paying close attention, even when paying attention was difficult or painful, you could eventually develop an independent will -- which he considered the same thing as a soul. In his cosmology, while normal people's life energy went to the moon when they died, all the bits of soul that people developed over their lives would go to a second, invisible moon which, once it got big enough, would go to the sun and then become something like god.

Gurdjieff himself was very good at analyzing and manipulating people, which his followers attributed to his dedication to paying attention to people, even though he was quite gruff; likewise, people attributed some supernatural powers to him, which he always brushed off as unimportant (treating people like idiots for acting as though these supernatural powers were special). These two elements are the primary characteristics of Mary Poppins in the original books (while the film tones down her harshness quite a bit and makes her sometimes quite sentimental -- which pissed Travers off).

Anyway, since Mary Poppins is essentially a gender-flipped Gurdjieff with all the parts that Gurdjieff thought would make people become part of god amplified, it makes perfect sense in his framework that Mary Poppins would be god.

Fopenplop

WHAT

GreenFeverZ

2y↑11

@TheOldMPClub Remember too Moore is using Prospero as a stand in for John Dee.

I would imagine anyone who has no clue what we're talking about here should do some homework into the likes of John Dee, Aleister Crowley, G. I. Gurdjieff', Austin Osman Spare and Kenneth Grant and how they compare and contrast to Moore's actual thoughts (read: not the wacky public persona he taunts comic nerds with)

I'm not surprised that part of Century confuses the hell out of the general comics world though. The lack of challenge analogy point is by contrast much easier to see.

TheOldMPClub

2y↑18

The Gurdjieff connection is an important one that people forget. It also makes complete sense if you understand Moore's criticism on "magic" that he weaved into Century.

Gurdjieff's ideas are closer to Alan Moore's idea space concept which in League world literally is the Blazing World. Hence why she is the agent Propsero sends in to the battle wearing the Blazing world glasses to oppose Oliver Haddo (stand in for Aleister Crowley) and Harry Potter (the representation of magic as wish fulfillment literature). Moore's idea space magic easily trumps occultism magic here.

Moore never seems to miss real world connections for deconstruction. Factual character details arent anywhere near as treasured.

Hobie Folis

2y↑36

I think it's interesting that Orwell's argument there can easily be used for both a pro-curation argument and an anti-curation argument. What kids are reading (or not reading) or just learning do have an affect on them as they get older.

Some will argue this is a reason an authority needs to make sure they are exposed to the "right" things. And some will argue this is the reason they should be taught counter ideas on everything.

If they are limited they are never going to be able to understand things outside of it easily. But that's clearly not how most of academia wants it. It's not curious why so many youth today seem to have no problem questioning the authority of a government, religion or family but have very little desire to burn down their school or hospital. But why not? Are they not still authorities over your life? Are you still not enslaved to the teacher who thinks they know what is smarter for you as the priest who thinks they know what is holy for you? You don't want to be seen as someone who is superior based on race but the entire mental health industry runs on the idea you are superior to people with different brain chemistry. What's the difference? You like one more than the other? I'd think that's what every racist or sexist would say all the same.

It all seems like superiority and prejudice are the real problems. And the kind of schooling that produces people just alters which forms of superiority you feel entitled to. As such the alternative is one where students are actively encouraged to challenge any authority in their life and not be treated differently because of it.

Murph04

2y↑44

I think I've never given Kyle credit for how good his comedic timing is.
"That's so sweet you were just [BLEEP]ing a man to death 2 pages ago" really got me

OhMyGoshItsALeg

2y↑24

I was always distantly fascinated with the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen as a concept and kept absorbing its hand-me-down bastard children in lieu of the actual thing, i.e. I've spent a lot of time reading absurd crossover fanfiction on the Internet. Fun fact: one of the longest works of single-continuity fiction in the English language is a four million word Super Smash Bros. fanfic that crosses it over with a dozen other extraneous media properties that were popular with gamer teen boys in the early 2000's, because of course that's the sort of person who wrote it. And I think that's a great encapsulation of Alan Moore and the League. It's fanfiction, but of course it's only going to really care about the stuff that Alan Moore cares about, or reference things he thinks are worth referencing. Alan Moore's relationship with modern superhero comics is obviously a strained and bitter one, but his relationship with the 'canon' of English literature seems to be more nostalgic for him. Meanwhile, there's great works of literature being created by people for whom the comics Alan Moore wrote hold the same place in their hearts that Alan Moore's influences hold in his. And I think that's both beautiful and scary. It's proof that even when culture seems to stagnate and feed back into itself, it's not the end of nuance or evolution in culture. And it's proof that the death of the author is only a useful rubric for understanding media if you're not concerned with understanding the culture that produced it, and that it produced.

Edit: also here's where I'd put a snake emoji if I wasn't on a desktop... I'm sure there's a way to put an emoji here from my desktop but I don't want to learn how because it seems like an unpleasant piece of knowledge to pursue. Thanks for making this and all the other things, too, Kyle, it was a helluva ride.

Guillaume Chevalier

2y↑31

Oh dear, I indeed stopped after the "Mars" run, since the "Black Dossier" wasn't available in Europe, and then lost track. Thank you so much for this nightmarish expedition into the hundreds of pages that I had so far eluded.🐍

thejokerl1ves

2y↑38

"If you want to know if Allen Moore's still bitter..." the answer is always yes.

cthulhu Pthagn

in the past I have referred to him as the British version of the honeycomb monster. he's a scrawny heavily bearded and hairy person who hides out in the middle of nowhere, and then as soon as you reference him, his Works, modern pop culture, or his small neighborhood in Britain, he immediately comes running screaming down from his Hill to rant and Rave and put out a press release being a grumpy ass.

I remember one movie adaptation, the Creator said he hoped that Alan Moore would eventually come across the movie, watch it, and feel that he did it justice at which point Allenmore came out of his cave to rant and Rave that the guy got his hometown wrong.

my point is with him I don't know how much of it is an act and how much of it is just him being an extremely unpleasant human being. I lean towards the former, if only because he has some really lasting relationships with other authors like Grant Morrison and Neil g i a m a n, and he has done some stand-up work like refused to take any money for the Watchmen because he was angry with DC Comics, instead sending his checks to his co-creator, and that would imply to me that some of what he does is a bit of a put-on. on the other hand, there are I think some lines that if you cross them repeatedly, it becomes a bit of a truism.

Trix with Trixie

2y↑14

What is actually the point of a giant crossover when very few characters even feel like themselves?

TheOldMPClub

2y↑13

It's one of Alan Moore's staples but his selling of it attracted people who were never going to agree with him that "deconstruction crossover" is better.

Though to be honest, for many of us we'd be much less hard on him if he and O'Neill didn't spend decades acting like it was super respectful and truer to the text than most other adaptations, when if you've actually read most of those books you know damn well it isn't.

Maybe in Alan Moore's house its respectful to go in completely alter his stuff and sing to high heaven about how much you loved it......wait no, when it comes to his comics he doesn't seem to like when people do that. Rules for thee but not for me.

Matt Eldritch

2y↑5

Quiet, you don't want to bring Tom King into this conversation.

Rocketboy 1313

2y↑15

Considering the example given by Moore in that opening, Frankenstein, Little Women, etc... all those books supossedly take place in a very grounded reality. The idea of them coming together is not absurd at all. It would just be strange for people with wildly different nationalities, so the scenario would feel contrived.

theMoporter

2y↑58

After nearly two hours of analysis, what I'm learning here is that Fate/Grand Order is basically a less racist League Of Extraordinarily Gentlemen.

For the background, Fate/Stay Night was an adult visual novel structured around a Battle Royale with mythic/legendary figures, which itself played with how "myth" concealed and misconstrued the truth as a minor theme. Then a bunch of spin-offs got made and one of them collected most of that and some original characters into a mobile game. Fate/Grand Order has you collect these characters and save the world by destroying pocket universes, based on our history but are ultimately doomed. Once they started depleting the number of historical figures Japanese people recognised, they started including fictional characters, like Sherlock Holmes. There are far fewer characters that aren't European, Japanese, or to a lesser extent, Chinese. The ones who are may or may not be oveesexualised or whitewashed.

But, you know, they do at least include obvious omissions from LOEG like Arash, the Assassins, and goddamn Gilgamesh.

My other conclusion is that I'm really glad Alan Moore and Yoko Taro will never interact.

Rain Spectre

2y↑1

I mean, just recently they did add two Vietnamese Servants.

Austin Reed

2y↑2

There is a non-insignificant number of people who think Sherlock Holmes was a real person.

John Porteous

2y↑3

Someone write a crossover fanfic

Klymenthis

2y↑5

Some how a more rape-y version though, depending on how you play

The Other OhlourdesPadua

2y↑4

I still do not accept what that series did to my misanthropic boi Captain Nemo. He's not a 14 year old androgynous kid with the ability to create near perfect copies of himself to man his Standard the Nautilus...

Jeeves Anthrozaur

2y↑21

This video gave me just the slightest taste of what it's like to be a Veteran of a Thousand Psychic Wars

Ben Burke

2y↑32

As someone born and ~~stuck~~ raised on Terf Island, that intro was the worst and greatest thing I've ever witnessed in my life lmao.

Akira eats guitar picks

That’s an hilarious way to refer to England

Razza-Matazz Guy

2y↑14

Outside of the likely facts Moore never read Moonchild or Harry Potter in full, I was always confused at how in Century 1910 Haddo makes mention that his plan is to start an invisible college with the characters from Moonchild.

Yet in 1969, Tom Riddle seems to mention the invisible college exists and he works there, which of course is before Haddo ever possessed him.

How exactly did we get from point A to point b there? Especially when it seems before this Haddo's moonchild plans were the plot of Rosemary's Baby before he possessed Tom Riddle.

usbmassstoragedevice

2y↑15

Oh my god Moon River playing when you started discussing Fu Manchu, roasting Mickey Rooney without saying a word, just perfection

whynaut

2y↑15

My favorite reference in The Sundered Veil is one of Quartermain's visons he sees a gorilla singing polka in front of a giant milk stool. This is Mr. Hyde's last moments in front of the Tripod at the end of volume 2, and the Sundered Veils was written a year or more earlier!

Morgan Qorishchi

2y↑35

To answer your question/confusion on why 1984 took place in 1948: that was what the original author of 1984 wanted. Alan Moore canonizing it in his universe isn't him being weird, it's him going with the originally intended canon.

TheGayGhost

2y↑9

This comic has the same vibes as those hyper-realistic Pokemon drawings where Pikachu has a lamprey mouth and eats children, if that makes sense

sirtrino

2y↑36

I’m not well versed in Cthulhu stuff but I find the name “Lloigor” very funny as the Welsh name for England is “Lloegr”

Coyote de La Mancha

2y↑2

@Shoggoth Lord So, the Great Old Ones are British Imperialism. Bles you, A.D.

Chris DiBella

2y↑2

Also according to writer and scholar Kenneth Hite, it is pronounced "LOY-gor" not the way that spanish might imply with "YOY-gor"

Shoggoth Lord

2y↑4

You can thank that ol' hack August Derleth for the word itself. In the case of Moore, based off of his own Mythos fiction, he uses "Lloigor" as the Aklo word for "Great Old One"—so Cthulhu would be a Lloigor, for instance.

Numbername

2y↑20

Hearing this summary made me realize that Alan Moore is the world's biggest fanfic writer. He just uses public domain characters so nobody thinks of his work that way. The plot of this story sounds like something off fan fiction net.

Lord Parbr

@Geoffrey Richards no. There are works of fiction that aren’t based on pre-existing work

Austin Reed

2y↑3

My attempt to try and show the conflict between the apes and machines from the perspective of Earth, which keeps the logic of LOEG intact, would still feel fanfiction because it’s full of copyrighted characters mostly of Eastern origin.

pointPi

2y↑4

@Geoffrey Richards Yes, they are. IP laws are literally the only reason we need the word 'fanfic' in the first place.

Numbername

2y↑1

@Geoffrey Richards yes.

Geoffrey Richards

2y↑7

To be fair, aren't all works of literature and fiction technically fanfics?

Victor Alcoba

2y↑30

Ngl, from all the shock imagery Moore employs, the massacre at Hogwarts was the one that got me.
Guess HP characters are still dear to me after all these years (and in spite of the author).
🐍 Praise Sweetie!

Julia Goodwin

2y↑1

As someone who grew up reading the books, I have a very hard time accepting this plot point. The author of Harry Potter might not be a good person, but I refuse to let that ruin my fond memories of the series.

Vesperitis

2y↑435

Fun fact: Journey to the West is also a massive crossover with characters from multiple stories that also incorporates real world historical figures. Tripitaka is based on a real life monk, Sun Wukong (Monkey) is based on Hanuman from India, Sha Wujing (Sandy) might be an early version of a kappa from Japan, and the Buddha is portrayed as the top god.

raizumichin

@Castean Preswyn But no one said Son Wukong is Tripitaka. It's hilarious of you to call someone a liar when you obviously didn't even read their comment correctly.

Tinkerer

2y↑1

@Castean Preswyn Wait, did you say that a 16th century Chinese story couldn't have been influenced by Japan because Japan was only inhabited by the Ainu at that time... when Japan was inhabited by what we currently call the Japanese over 2000 years prior to it being written? That's quite a take.

aachelabelaaron also

Castean Preswyn

@Ravi k lol

Ravi

2y↑2

@Castean Preswyn "And no, it is physically impossible for a Chinese based hero to be inspired by an Indian character that didn't exist in India before the belief reached that land. "

That's a long winded way of saying I know nothing relevant about the history of the topic at hand and will still get randomly offended.

What next, will you claim Buddhism predated Hinduism and started in China?

Such a confidently displayed Illiteracy.

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Raminagrobis

2y↑12

I think that as time went by, Moore's books have become more a superficial collection of names for the sake of attempted cleverness, and less and less something that uses the characters behind the names. Pedantic exhibition has taken over truly epic story building.
At the antipodes of this, Hergé, the Belgian creator of Tintin, left us a much more streamlined (and of course orders of magnitude less ambitious) self-contained, European epic encompassing the most enduring symbols of good and evil, the most classic and ubiquitous characters used in Western literature and cinema, in a visual language that transcends all borders and nationalities. And lastly and very importantly, which has a much more accessible and universal appeal. Of course, Moore and Hergé are completely different. I was only comparing two attempts at creating cartoon universes with a resolve to extract basic elements in order to depict a self-contained world, complete with their most important symbols and characters.
BTW, I didn't notice any character from Tintin albums in your summary. Knowing the staunch grip Hergé's succession keeps on its copyrighted creations, I would be surprised that Moore even considered using any character from Tintin...

Geoffrey Richards

@Raminagrobis I imagine it'll become a headache for them when the character enters the public domain within three years from now.

Raminagrobis

@Geoffrey Richards I didn't know that. On the other hand, I would be surprised that the Hergé estate never reacted or challenged Marvel about it. They're extremely protective of their brand... Of course, Marvel is perhaps even more gigantic than Hergé, financially spea9..

Geoffrey Richards

2y↑2

I dunno. Marvel seemed to get away with having Tintin appear throughout their comics in cameo roles, and it didn't seem like they had much trouble with Hergé''s heirs.

KoDOmega

2y↑9

Minor note: I know you were mispronouncing Spider-Man for comedic effect, but Spiders-Man is a character in the Marvel universe. He's a hive mind of spiders that thinks it's Peter Parker... because they ate him. Also, introduced in a crossover event. Relevant! 🐍

Jesse Springer

2y↑8

We need more headcannons and aus of loeg with Asian and African stories making ocs

PaintSplash1712

2y↑7

The idea of the League is really interesting and compelling. I’d watch a tv show with them.
The problem is when you actually read the thing and you question is Alan Moore okay?

digitaljanus

2y↑110

19:45 I once heard an interview with Jess Nevins where he hypothesized Moore's references in the later books get more and more obscure in an attempt to stump his annotations.

Austin Reed

O’Neil throwing in some out of left field references helped.

Stories & Videos Residency

2y↑11

If I remember correctly, the second annotation volume had a chapter titled "in which Alan Moore tries to kill me".

Dave Anderson

2y↑5

Is Alan Moore now Roy Thomas? Thomas developed an obsessive, nostalgic desire to create a joint chronology linking even the most obscure World War II characters -- the prime examples being Invaders and All-Star Squadron, but it carries over into his Avengers and Justice Society stories. Moore did the same thing with Victorian era stories in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. It's interesting that Thomas, an American, became fixated with World War II -- the starting point of the "American Century" -- and Moore, an Englishman, is fixated with the period referred to as Britain's Imperial Century (1815 to 1914).

kaelang12

2y↑33

I don’t care what anyone says, the movie was fun, and its version of the invisible man was better than the comic 🐍

Julia Goodwin

Agreed. I enjoyed the movie... admittedly I haven't read the comic, but I have my reasons.

Walrus Armageddon

2y↑1

A whole lot less rapey, thats for sure

Loy Turns

I liked the movie.

Sata Prescott

2y↑4

It's particularly poignant that Wind in the Willows is referenced, as it is also a slow, melancholic meditation on growing older with a small set of friends and hoping to escape the inevitabilities of adulthood (and, indeed, sex and/or women). I generally appreciate that you're using this as an opportunity to both laud the creativity of the interconnected world crafted and sheer volume of reference while also reviewing the work in the context of colonialism. 🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍

Music Geekery

2y↑5

I'm not gonna lie, the sheer wealth of characters on display in this had my head spinning, and it only got worse the more modern and post-modern literature that started to crop up.

I do find it both fascinating and horrifying how common certain inclinations are within Moore's work, to the extent where using his name as a verb works way too well if you're familiar with his comics...Hell, there's practically only framing separating him and Frank Miller in that respect...and in some ways you could argue in favour of Frank Miller, because at least there's some concept of owning their sexuality, albeit in a purpose entirely designed for the male gaze (I wanna be clear, neither is positive, Frank Miller is way worse in so many different ways, I'm just saying there's slightly less of a victimisation going on).

Please tell me there's a place where I can listen to a full version of your Ultimate Showdown cover, I need it in my life.

🐍

Guillaume Chevalier

2y↑207

Well the first ever crossover event in History set the bar pretty high already, that is the poem of the Argonauts, assembling around Jason, most notably, Heracles, his nephew Iolaos, Orpheus, Castor, Pollux, hero and god of medicine Asclepios, and even the fathers of Odysseus, Achilles and Ajax.

Austin Reed

@Spencer Raney

Heck, in some circles (especially video game developers) the “Victorian literature is mythology” deal can be quite literal, most prominently in Castlevania.

Egilhelmson

Sexual assault like the modern definition of rape, the Sabine Women version, or the version that the originator of the polygraph and Wonder Woman created from the shared female sub of his wife and him?

Raminagrobis

2y↑2

@Spencer Raney 25 more episodes down the road (the latest was the 25th), whenever that happens (and I believe it will), James Bond will have become elaborated such an epic universe, God knows how vast the crossover it is weaving will have become?

Raminagrobis

2y↑2

Virgil's Aeneid is quite an early, massive and important crossover in ancient literature.

cha5

2y↑3

@Spencer Raney Pastiches and Parody's of Holmes date back to the canon itself, even Arthur Conan Doyle technically wrote a couple of them such as 'How Watson Learned the Trick.' Although they only really took off in the 1930's what with all of the Sherlock Holmes societys that came along, and of course there's really no limit these days since Holmes and Watson and the canon stories are in the public domain in the 21st century.

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Jonathan Roth

2y↑7

Interesting point about the era of Metaficional universes. A few things I think might feed into the zeitgeist of the era:
-The success of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" bringing disparate IP into a single movie.
-"Star Trek" moving beyond a TV series to several feature films and "The Next Generation" era of spinoffs.
-Genres of TV outside the "Soap Opera" moving away from episodic content toward long-form storytelling.

Modern corporate mergers and the ability to publish and control IP across multiple media venues has just accelerated the desire for a "stable" fictional universe. Disney declaring all of the old licensed novels and comics to be explicitly "non-canon", so they can selectively re-incorporate popular elements back into TV series or future films is a good example of the shifting attitudes towards narrative cohesion. (Oh, and praise 🐍)

Vaia Patta

2y↑25

Ok I'm going to have to be that person: There is no cask of amontillado in the cask of amontillado. If Alan Moore indeed meant to reference the cask of amontillado, this makes me think he hasn't actually read the story :P It was probably just a coincidence.

Maybe I'm wrong since I haven't actually read the comics, but I get the impression that people in this series get Alan-Moored for bad reasons. In Watchmen, the attempted Alan-Mooring gives us insight into the characters. Here, it seems to be mostly sensationalism, and in Janni's case it's kind of an uninspired way to give her a reason to turn cruel.

Ugh, Black Pete. The Dutch are soooo in denial about how racist it is. "BuT tHe BlAcK kIdS eNjOy It ToO!" Guys, just accept that it's a bad tradition. Do something else for Christmas, for Heaven's sake.

Austin Reed

A few places are trying to make the change for Piet.

matt sherlock

2y↑7

Agreed about Janni, people don't nessarally need a tragic backstory. Sometimes people just go on adventures just cause. Does she need to be scary, does she need to be estranged from her father, when you write a character you can do basically anything so try to think for more than 5 minutes.

Austin Reed

2y↑1

A lot of the modern references are probably the results of GIS and have no actual canon bearing, for all we know.

Geoffrey Richards

As problematic as he is, I imagine it's hard for the Dutch to change their Christmas tradition when Black Pete has been their defining tradition. Get rid of it and they'll just be copying any other country's tradition.

Dr. Luna Ludenburg Ch.

2y↑7

Yeah, it's never shown in that story, but it's still implied the Amontillado exists somewhere in that universe.

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Helena Nilsson

2y↑11

I managed to get through the majority of this wild, wild ride taking the events in stride (possibly by dint of only being superficially familiar with so many of the references), but for some reason, "Oklahodahio" cracked me up. 🐍

Liam Poulton-King

2y↑22

When you first called the Greyfriar kids “the Famous Five”, I thought you meant the Enid Blyton kids, lol. Tbh, I’m surprised Moore didn’t work the Enid Blyton kids together somehow

Austin Reed

@swanpride

He did have a visual cameo of Noddy.

swanpride

2y↑2

@Liam Poulton-King Harry Potter had a highly successful movie series AND is considered one of the biggest success in book sales of all time. Those are different starting points.

Liam Poulton-King

@swanpride I mean, considering Moore turned Harry Potter into the fucking Antichrist, it feels weird to say he doesn’t take children’s media seriously.

Moore loves Blyton as well, he used the Far-Away Tree as the basis of an entire political philosophy in V For Vendetta

swanpride

He most likely didn't because he was more focussed on characters which also had very successful movie adaptations. Plus Enid Blyton is in the minds of most people something fun for children, not something to take serious, hence it was save from his wrath.

googamp32

2y↑337

"The Shakespeare/Lovecraft crossover nobody wanted."

Speak for yourself!

Robert Dennys

2y↑1

@אור גלוזמן Or Gluzman https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnOqXuI4qaiiio-QIlG5T-QbqinA8F7e6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bHqURZrgIc Shoggoth on the Roof :

Natahlia Zaring

2y↑6

I mean, much of Shakespeare is already filled with the Eldritch and the Horrible, so it's not really that much of a leap. Adding Lovecraftian specifics to Macbeth, Hamlet, or Lear almost writes itself, and that's not even getting into how much of the absurdity in his comedies could be translated. And then The Tempest was actually an incredibly influential work for Lovecraft. Tying in the overarching themes of dreaming vs reality merges nicely with any of the Dream Cycle, and Titus Andronicus is so violent yet vague that it lends itself to any kind of horror lens. Idk, it seems to me that the two authors' works pair together really well

SteamPoweredGoth

2y↑1

@אור גלוזמן Or Gluzman It's absolutely a real thing,, made by the HPL Historical Society, the soundtrack is all on youtube.

kaelang12

2y↑3

@RAI XUH the fae are already terrifying beings. let's not make it worse than they already are

RAI XUH

2y↑3

Hell yeah, bring oberon being an old one 🦉

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SaintHeartwing

2y↑5

Getting to see what you dreamed about in your childhood coming true doesn’t inherently have to turn into a “be careful what you wish for“ thing…

GreenFeverZ

2y↑8

I appreciated the humor during the runthrough but i knew I was going to personally disagree with you when i realized your shelf of "books based on the League" had was like a third Alan Moore comics, a third stories and a third academic written opinions on stories.

General Mayhem

2y↑11

1:14:30 "Ouroboros of Trans-Atlantic vowel vomit" is such an incredible phrase

juan francisco villarroel thula

2y↑6

I can see why Moore loves the League, he had to have so much fun.

Daniel Silva

2y↑8

I was legit invested in Allan and Mina's relationship for some reason.
Damn you Harry Potter.

A C

2y↑3

I've always felt that Alan Moore was being intentional when it came to his depiction of race/gender/sex/morality in League, as if he was showing it through a Victorian lense. I think he was trying to get us to snap out of idiolizing the Victorian era. It all felt too grotesque to be taken seriously. But characters do get punished and defeated for being PoS. After all... Griffin gets beat up by Mina in the Pollyanna scene AND of course his eventual death is basically doing what he did to others but worse.

Alan Moore's work is graphic and not for those suffering PTSD, but I think he was actually against what he's depicting. Showing the awful instead of just saying it is so.

However, I also just read his work and I refuse to worship him. He's talented and I love his writing but I'll never see him as guru and I don't think anyone should.

Robert Hurley

2y↑5

Of all the characters I didn't expect to see, the ancestor of Phil mitchell from EastEnders took the cake

Strawberry Princess

2y↑11

🐍 "The world's biggest exporter of independence Days" I almost died laughing. Also, glad I have a pair of 3d glasses. it's wild how often they actually come in handy. 3d is a fun gimmick, using it to represent a 4th dimension space in a 2 dimensional medium that normally represents a 3 dimensional space is fun. YEA TOM SWIFT AND HIS ELECTRIC RIFLE

Ross Pit: Shark Hunter

2y↑8

You ever just waste two hours of your life watching a mad man explain The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen? Well I have. And now I'm not sure what to do with my life. 🐍

AFox739

2y↑8

Side note, Century gave birth to my personal headcanon for Mary Poppins and Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt.

I like to think that Mary is in fact Panty and Stocking's mother, and this, among other reasons, is basically why the two of them have a chance to make it back to Heaven.

AFox739

2y↑1

@Rain Spectre Perfect sense on both counts.

Rain Spectre

2y↑1

@AFox739 Both.

AFox739

2y↑1

@Rain Spectre Because she was an Alan Moore character all along? Or because she's rebelling from living in her mom's basement?

Rain Spectre

Is that why Panty is obsessed with sex?

Morbos1000

2y↑4

Funny how it was claimed Watchmen was unfilmable. League seems WAY more convoluted and impossible to put to film in a way faithful to the book. The movie is evidence of this.

Wesley Foxx

2y↑3

The sudden sad piano cut on Thomas the Tank Engine still makes me giggle extremely loudly every time.

Auz Payeur

2y↑7

🐍 I don’t think I’ve ever watched your work before, but God it was so satisfying to see someone articulate why this series was so compelling and fascinating and so fucking frustrating

Barbie Widle

2y↑6

O'Neill knows Doctor Syn is supposed to look like a scarecrow not a shadow person right?

RosieG9012

2y↑39

🐍The the point Alan Moore seems to be trying to make about fiction is indeed interesting. However, the way he continually takes children’s fiction and characters and makes them dark and edgy still rubs me the wrong way and just strikes me as lazy and very edge lord. The older I get, the less and less patience I have for Alan Moore and his artistic goals

matt sherlock

2y↑3

@Supo A that is not nessarally true universally, the Oz books were written with children in mind and most nursery rhymes were designed to be silly poems for babies. sometimes the dark stuff was created by later interpretations.

greg courtney

2y↑3

Yeah Moore got big in a time when edgy stuff was big and is arguably a "better" one because he will use it for a point sometimes, see the stuff about comdian abd silk spectre, while others will do it for shovk value.
These edgy writers got big in part bexause enough fans were ready for more cynucal takes and tired of the more opimustic comics of the silver age and golden age. At this point the edgy stuff has stopped being the main thing. You get more stories combining the fun of the older comics with actually good more serious writing. Not all of this is trying to be edgy either.

Mikhael Gribkov

2y↑2

@Supo A I think it's mostly like when Hero In Crisis made anti-drugs PSA character into drug addict, when of PSA gave him better reasoning to be against drugs and feels like edgelord shit next to Hal Jordan's "What's the will?", which is try hard to be deep only to come off as moronic. Like, Adventure Time is more deep by having mc screw up relationship unlike Invincible with straight up gaslight bs where characters side with gaslighter for stupid reason, but hey, it's adult here's blood and gore, while we change comic into pathetic trashy 90s comic which Invincible comic was subverting in how it used violence only when needed and actual deep characters, not one dimensional parody of themselves. Sorry, I hate Amazon adaptation.

The Other OhlourdesPadua

2y↑1

@Eris123 Don't forget From Hell which Hollywood created a 50% adaptation. Can't believe Inspector Abygmale (Johnny Depp) wasn't a central character...

Eris123

2y↑2

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Ms.Queue

2y↑3

"Mr. Hyde [ALAN MOORE'S] the Invisible Man to death" … this sentence (and the knowledge it represents) has taken up permanent residence in my soul. It has laid down stakes. I can never NOT know this now.

Zdeciak

2y↑2

Great as always, watched this after "The name of the Rose" video, definietly you can see the similarities with the motive of fiction (word) shaping reality. 🐍

KiramidHead

2y↑8

I recently reread (or read for the first time) all of the main books (still haven't read the Nemo spinoffs). I still love the first two volumes, I think they perfectly pull off what they set out to do. Black Dossier is self indulgence made manifest, but parts of it are fun. Century, despite its flaws, has quite a bit going for it, and the ending kind of works as an ending (and oddly the final panel parallels the movie in some ways). The Tempest was just plain annoying, though. The tendency for the comic to stop cold so that Moore can preach a message (tm) starts in Black Dossier, and grows and grows until the last few pages of The Tempest just killed me to read. 😄

Funny Animato

2y↑3

I think adapting Roses of Berlin to the screen would be fantastic. I love the vision of a fictional Germany in that story. It's the same creative impulse as Wolfenstein a little bit, but looking backwards to the 20s, rather than evolving the Nazi futurist design sensibility. Let's defeat as many versions of the Nazis as possible.

A. Mikey B.

2y↑4

honeslty i really love this concept of Orlando as an immortal highlander that changes genders without control. Honestly it sounds like a better premise than Doctor Who.

Ryan McAmis

2y↑6

You're just gonna skip over the fact he'd ring up Warren Ellis to complain about how he'll never be able sell his house because he dug a magic cave in his backyard.

JCMan

2y↑6

After watching this video, I feel like an anvil of responsibility has landed on the shoulders of all storytellers. Such responsibility cannot be burdened lightly, but with each step will make both storytellers and storyenjoyers stronger as people.

For better and for worse

🐍

Brimming with Ryan

2y↑8

🐍 I only read the first volume and holy moly I had no idea how wild shit got.
Also the Dennis the Menaces debuted on the exact same day in one of the weirdest coincidences ever. Both artists were like "Well there was no way one of us copied the other so I guess these characters will exist simultaneously."

Justin Germeroth

2y↑3

I think the reason Moore resonates so strongly with Hyde is because "revels in the ugliness lurking beneath" has been Moore's one weird trick for most of his career.

Murcia doxial

2y↑136

It would be interesting to team up a bunch of writers of diverse cultural and ethnic backgrounds, all taking works of fiction from their places of origin and making some sort of league analog, but with all of those voices together.

Skullkan6

2y↑2

My problem with these types of sentiments is rarely is the footwork put in to provide a counter example or something outre the common canon. No recommendations, so to speak.

Austin Reed

@The Other OhlourdesPadua

And basically we only see Western attempts, prior to 1970…

The Other OhlourdesPadua

2y↑7

In-lore (according to the LOEG: Black Dossier), a lot of countries tried to create their own LOEG with variable success, even the British failed to created LOEG 2.0 after the original team was dissolved...

Artfcial TV

2y↑4

@Paul Lantow Eh, If it was nonsense writing made in a similar fashion to old folclore and fairytales it could work. You know?

Instead of having a moral or following a set structure like the hero’s journey, have it just be a succession of vaguely connected scenes in a straight timeline. Maybe adding a theme or motif to connect it all.

Paul Lantow

2y↑10

Could be interesting, but the advantage of using ensemble casts of previous characters is audience familiarity. You know who Batman is, you know who Spider-Man is, now they're teaming up and the writer doesn't have to explain why Peter Parker is a dork or why Batman doesn't use guns.

With bringing in unfamiliar characters, you'd not only have to explain the character, but also the cultural context those characters come from, because their values and behaviors will naturally be very different to a modern Western audience.

All of which is to say, it could be a cool story! It'd just be very challenging to write, especially if a broader audience is sought.

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Iain Mackenzie

2y↑6

Part of me wonders if James Bond was the antagonist as a shot at Sean Connery being the lead for the movie version of the League. Or if that's just a coincidence.

José Aguilar

2y↑1

Campion Bond (James' grandfather) was in the comic before the movie came out. Moore's gripe with James Bond predates the League.

Hobie Folis

Probably didn't help, but Moore just generally dislikes spy fiction.

F00g3n

2y↑7

Damn, Alan Moore was just living the internet fanboy life before the internet was even a thing 🐍

Barry Elmstrand

2y↑7

🐍 'Initially started the video for a condensed telling of League; stayed for the endurance test of keeping track of the unholy amount of references; connected with the subversion and twists & turns of the internal politics of Moore's writing; and finally, am so grateful for your recording of the cover, in the end.
Unlike the ultimate thesis of the League series, please, never change, and keep the fantastic content coming!

Jed Grahek

2y↑4

Mario Angel Medina

2y↑94

1:30:10 the League is scaping to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by the capitalism [of the comic industry]: SPACE!

RogueOwlProductions

2y↑5

30:46 Holy shit Animal Farm happened in this universe? I can imagine it being a Vatican-sized micro nation made in the image of Stalin's vision of the Soviet Union of course led by Napoleon.

hold me closer tiny prancer

2y↑3

I read the first three volumes of this series years back and god as my witness I straight up completely forgot about the existence of the golliwog in black dossier and in retrospect I think my brain destroyed all memory of that to protect me

apex2000

2y↑2

Gosh reading all of theses sounds like hard work especially with the supplementary stuff (worse if you look into references too). Id processed into a TV series would be amazing.

Llaura M

2y↑3

'when will you learn that fictions have consequences?'. brilliant.

Andrew Dunn

2y↑4

I always appreciate when people shit talk Aaron Sorkin. I suggest the podcast "The West Wing Thing" that goes episode by episode and just eviscerates West Wing.

Fiction Fiend

2y↑2

Halfway through this video the ultimate showdown started playing in my head, I appreciate that you used it for your end credits. Very fitting!

After the Fiction

2y↑2

As someone who just spent untold amount of months making an essay on the Bond series, Alan Moore's takedown on the character was a really nice palette cleanser.

Rain Spectre

2y↑3

It always sticks out to me how people like to claim Alan Moore's dissatisfaction with The Killing Joke was in relation to Barbara's treatment and not his hatred of taking superheroes seriously. Because one look at this shows that Moore clearly has zero problem with depicting such things, even playing it for dark laughs.

Rob Lowe

2y↑3

When I was younger, I was so fascinated by the shared universe of LXG, but I fell out of Moore comics due to some of his comics and creative decisions. But this video really has me inspired to pick them up again! Great examination - I definitely can see the faults of the British-centric story being told as, like, the sole monomyth in literature. It's interesting - I'd never seen his comments about the series before, and I always felt as though the story was meant to be imperialistic and solely focus on the sort of arrogant Anglo worldview through literature. Anyways, this was just really awesome stuff. Consider me a subscriber!

Zeph Lodwick

2y↑3

This reminds me of the stories that I would tell my friends when I was younger, where I was this adventurer crossed over with all these classic stories.

For instance, I'd be the ship captain from 'Frankenstein' or be part of the expedition from 'At the Mountains of Madness'.

Zeph Lodwick

@Matt Eldritch It was fun. For example, my backstory was that I was a caveman who was abducted by aliens, having many space adventures like from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy . Having gained immortality through nanobots, then returned to Earth. I then witnessed the dawn of civilization, crossing paths with people like Gilgamesh and whoever. I was just sort of around during various historical events.

Matt Eldritch

2y↑1

That sounds kind of cool.

Chad Parenteau

2y↑2

The Mister Hyde blood scene is one of my favorite pages. While Hyde undeniably "Alan Moored" Griffin, I think he followed up with far, far worse that I even care to imagine, and you can't help but imagine a thousand roads to his final end, which is what helps nail that sequence.