In this life we all are searching; looking for something to define us. We a… Read Full Bio ↴In this life we all are searching; looking for something to define us. We all have different upbringings, backgrounds, and lifestyles that lead us in certain directions in our lives. But to step out and try to do something totally different from what everyone expects you to do, can be a challenge within itself. It's by design that our society somehow tells us that you must be in this line, box, and/or category.

But you see, I am my own person-- I cant be put in a category. Beat Assassins was started from this one belief. In mid-summer 2003, I became so frustrated with producing the same generic R&B/Hip-Hop songs. After a while-- it just made me go numb, and the insecurities of changing were always constantly lurking in the back of my mind. "What will they think? What will they say about me? Will they accept this?"

But as time went by and life continued, my conscience forced me to just say "F*ck It! Just do it! You've only got one life. Not everyone's going to like you, and not everyone's going to feel you!!! You have to do this!!" So I did it, and this is what you got. Beat Assassins. Far Away from Home The E.P. A.K.A GHETTO ROCK-N-ROLL

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GateBreakerZ

2y↑7

If someone wanted Yone discussion let me do this for our boi Vars

Yone is extremely overloaded Skirmisher/Assassin his snowball potential is unreal (Almost like Aatrox dat why when Aatrox is bad everyone says he is OP or he is good cuz his snowball is unreal )

He is Good early game,OP mid game and Unbeatable Late (unless you have Leona or some good cc caster like Morgana and you need to be extremely patient cuz his E is basically cleanse)
What makes him so broken and not fun to play against:

1) His presence makes you feel disgusting cuz you know you gonna play some mind games with this dude

2)Yone have extreme mobility towards enemy champion (thank god he cant dash like Yasuo) his E gives him MS and pushes his real body a little bit,his R is big dash dmg skill and his Q is dash

3)His passive gives him 2x crit from items and AD/AP dmg from every second AA (Note:AP dmg > AD dmg) which means his reduced dmg doesn't work at all and you cant build def items against him properly

4)His E is overloaded cuz this skill gives you MS,True dmg,Mini dash and enemy cant fight back cuz more dmg he deals,more dead you are (this is basically Zed ult on steroids)

5)His W gives you Shield and %hp AP/AD dmg, CD and cast speed scales with AS

6)His R Gives him Dash,Knock-up,Grounding,Airborne,Pull,СС immune and AD/AP dmg

But despite having all of this if Riot gonna remove shield from cringebow he is gonna be literally balanced but he is never gonna be fun to play against

How to make him fun (for Riot games):
Remove Grounding from R and reduce ult radius
Remove MS from E and give his E time scale with AS
Bring back Yone's old crits before 2 items spike buff

And every Yone main who defend this champ in comments and gonna say dat im trash (Im Grandmaster dont try to defend your degenerate champ)

(Sry for bad eng cuz im from all hail Soviet Russia !!!)

Shacolin

3y↑6

Making my second comment, now after watching the video.

Ekko: I'd rate him somewhere in between fair and passable. His base kit is fine but there are a few elements about his kit I believe to be overkill. I will start by the most simple one, his W' passive. It is a recurring theme with Riot's recent designs to make champions too well rounded. If there's an ability that may not be practical in some scenarios, it is given some compensation to make sure it is never a dead ability. Another example of this being Viego's E, where the only reason it gives attack speed is so that it is not a dead ability during jungle clears. I disagree with that phylosophy overall and I think that the "this time this is not an option" is part of the game and having an answer to everything isn't a good thing. If I'm Ekko's opponent and I don't get hit by his W, I am not ahead of him by a full ability because it still has that hidden execute damage on its passive. My second rant with Ekko is his passive movement speed. Ekko is already plenty mobile without it, and not only that movement speed is overkill, it is also some of the strongest and most long lasting movement speed steroids in the game. The biggest counterplay to mobile champions is to punish their cooldowns, but even when Ekko don't have his abilities, he is still zooming. Last but not least, the initial jump from his E. Removing it isn't even a plain nerf. It removes the short delay he needs to acess the damage and perhaps can even be an auto attack reset. The initial dash just too versatile for being just a fraction of his mobility.

Kha'zix: Not much to add here. I don't think he is great, but he is overall solid.

Rengar: His W drags him down a notch. Every part of Rengar's kit gets the job done and he is really weak without ult or bushes around, I just believe his W to be too good of an ability that one: makes bruiser Rengar better than assassin Rengar and two: even when you are playing assassin Rengar, it makes it really difficult to exploit his squishyness.

Talon: I talked about him before. Love the parkour. Very cool and rewarding ability. But otherwise? He is just too generic. Fair is where I'd put him.

Diana: Fair to good as a mid laner, passable to ass as a jungler. As a jungler she is just a boring power farmer.

Evelynn: Ass, but not hopeless. Boring power farming champion. Remove the health regen from her passive, give her stealth from level 1. Instantly she becomes fair and potentially good with some more tweaks. Wasted potention when you need to wait all the way to level 6 to use the biggest attractive of the champion.

Fizz: Passable. His E is such a good ability the rest of his kit must be weaker to compensate. His E is broken and the rest of his kit is boring. He is not ass but his power budget is too messy.

Nocturne: Read Diana. Same applies.

Zed: After your conclusion, I agree. Zed is a little too safe. I don't think that alone justify deranking him from good, but its still a valid point.

Akali: I still believe there's too much stuff crammed into her kit. Because her passive has a mini-game attached to it, she's given movement speed to help her get around it. I'd say remove the mini-game entirely. Let her have her passive auto right away, just so she don't have permanent 500 movement speed. That might be enough to give her the jump from ass to fair.

Kassadin: That's the most ass out of the ass. His win condition is to bore the opponent by making the game as little interactive as possible, then becoming an unbeatable abomination.

Pyke: Solid concept, but messy execution. Lethality scalings, spells don't work on minions, can't build HP, all for the sake of Riot enforcing their fantazy to the player. Wasted potential, passable is where he goes.

Qiyana: I make your words mine. Qiyana is an assassin that excels on the one thing her class is supposed to be at its worst. Not ass, but no more than passable.

Shaco: Nothing has changed between what I said before and now. The assassin part is Shaco's most boring one. He stealths in and point n'click people to death. What's interesting about him that made me fall in love with the champion is his top tier early game (which unfortunately no longer exists) and how much potential his clon and boxes have. I really dislike the route Riot has taken with Shaco recently, not only making his boxes AoE, but also giving bonus damage against monsters. Suddenly the pressure to win the game early no longer exists as he can fall back to power farming if he feels like it. That may sound like a good thing, but it gives me no hope that Riot will give Shaco the strong early game he once had. Shaco scaling just feels wrong.

Katarina: I am no Katarina fan but I don't think she is ass. One thing I dislike about her and some other champions such as Riven is that most of her kit is instant, meaning if that if two players have the same reaction time and one is Katarina, its the Katarina who gets the first move, so all those close calls its down to a champion diff. I also really don't like how easy it is for her to get Shunpo resets, but that's all. She is very passable.

Kayn: I agree on the ass rate, but for a different reason: boring power farm champion. For a champion that has to start the game as a minion, I don't mind him getting stronger than the average champion by the time he transforms, but if the guy has conqueror, he isn't quite the minion he is supposed to be early game. But that's a conqueror problem, not Kayn's. There's so much sustain in the jungle you get more HP back while clearing than you take damage from camps. As such, poke and short trades aren't a thing in the jungle, furthermore, nobody gets low enough while clearing to die before stacking conqueror. At level 3 the rune is a vamp scepter worth of stats so its too convenient for those scaling junglers to just take conqueror and whenever they get invaded, it is like they start the game with 3 kills. But that's more of a conqueror problem than Kayn's specifically. Riot has made the jungle far too difficult for those scaling fellas to be punished.

LeBlanc: We disagree so much on this champion I don't think we can go anywhere, the reasons I think she is good were on my first comment and they haven't changed now.

Yone: He is an assassin, he is an skirmisher and has not one, but two AoE hard CC, a thing most champions from both of these classes have none. I guess its easy to tell where this fella go.

HideSide HS

I have few things to say to your reasoning.

First of all, lemme ask why is it bad for Rengar to not be completely squishy? He has no escape, no invis either and in lategame he might get oneshoted anyway and in early it gives him edge as early game champ with no escape, without unbearable amount of damage. Also for burst he gotta sacrifice it at times. I understand it might not be ideal for an assassin to have innate tankiness but I dont see it to be some sort of problem either, given the circumstances.

Idk what makes Evenlynn problematic for you but it seems to be entirelly different from the rest. They dont want her to have invis and you give her invis from level 1. Also she has HP regen because she is fairly weak in earlygame, specifically for all ins and when it comes to jg sustain. With your changes she would be hated even more. For me Eve is completely acceptable by design because she is just opportunist in the end. Not much she can actually force even with great amount of skill.

When it comes to Kayn, you both seem to just complain about the balance. Its balance and not design. You can just change numbers and the design gonna remain.

About LB... I think Vars nailed this one. Being completely uninteractive is the sh;ttiest thing that can happen in design. If there was ASS^2 tier, she would go there for me.

I think that Akali's passive is what makes that champ such cool design. I also dont think that removing it gonna change anything. If you want to change something, delete her W ms boost.

I agree with the rest you said ( except nocturne, nothing specific, just bunch of minor details ).

All comments from YouTube:

Lucianonafi

3y↑2.3K

I loved the Yone discussion. Extremely in-depth, and it explained everything wrong with that abomination!

GottaFeedTheKids

@Minh Chính Hoàng Same bro I thought it was gonna be a long discussion then I found out

Emho328

@plsfix she got a shield? No, she have dashes and more than one cc? No, she can deal 3 types of damage? No. She's not as overloaded as Yone

Oliver Ekiituno

@plsfix but no one plays lillia tho

Genius Gaming

A day in the life of a yone main

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the immortal eye

3y↑1.7K

Nasus with duskblade and 800 stacks is truly the most scary assasin.

Slav Chems

@ProfCzemaKan sett's kit is actually well designed, he embodies what a juggernaut is, riot just overbuffed his W

Grimlock Greg

That’s not an assassin, that’s just satin.

Shikikashi

@Sticky Stevie mundo must have eaten some pot brownie

Sticky Stevie

2y↑1

You ever see a crit Mundo one shot you, hit the laugh button, and fade into the shadows like Thanos?

Shikikashi

@Mihail A cat that is a dog

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FLEX MANTELLO

3y↑1.5K

Riot gave Katarina on-hit effects because "it felt bad that we removed Gunblade" its like giving a monkey a rocket launcher because you took away his banana

Kleando Jaupaj

@M I u really wanna comolain about akali? Lol

Seth

They could have just reverted her smh

why are we still here

2y↑1

@Eduardo Navarro My man, I feel you. I play Ryze and A Sol. If you ever feel forgotten just remember there are still people who play A Sol. Rip morello, RoA, Seraph's and GLP. And toggle w. And Ryze combos. I imagine Corki has it rough as well.

Lost Wolf

@Ic333 it is true that kata was always extremely strong but I don't think that it increased itemization at all.
When it came out full ad on hit was the strongest thing in the game and nothing could come close to it.
Now not building nashor's and lich bane is trolling as well as AD or full ap doesn't come close to the damage.
And the weirdest question is still why doesn't more characters get the on hit treatment like samira or why does garen get it removed bit kata is allowed to have it.

FLEX MANTELLO

@Ic333 >point and click burst
Gunblade did 175-253 damage depending on level with a 40 second cooldown. 40% slow for 2 seconds. 15% healing for area damage. It was a good item, yes, but compared to what Katarina has now calling her current state "interesting build diversity" is just intellectually dishonest. You're a Katarina apologist.

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Nosterf

3y↑522

Just one question : Don't you consider Rek'sai as an assassin ? (I know she builds bruiser goredrinker these days, because gold efficiency, but back in the days, she was a great assassin to play.

Punyavee Naunlaong

In aram, yes, she is truely assassin. In sr, no, she is bruiser.
I try to play her assassin in sr, but isn't good at all. And play her as bruiser in aram also not good as well.

Rory

3y↑3

Rek'sai can build either stridebreaker or goredrinker, she isn't played very often so people don't get to see how well she does with others mythics and builds, but prowler really isn't optimal in most of the games, in fact, I would say that the prowler build may be the less efficient
Goredrinker-based build gives you a strong late game and gives you the possiblity to match your counters (warwick, xin, kayn, viego..), I'd suggest building it when you play against these matchups or against tanky-bruisery team comp
Stridebreaker on the other side seems pretty weird, but basically you want to rush stridebreaker and ghostblade asap, skipping the boots and just taking advantage of your very early powerspike (you are unbeatable with these two as long as your target isnt 15-0). As the game goes on, collector or serylda grudge are BANGER on Rek'sai, then when you hit midgame (where reksai generally falls off pretty quick), just start building more defensive items or more HP, things like black cleaver, edge of night, death dance, wits end. With all this, you get your beloved burst, low cooldowns (which the prowler build doesnt have) and you won't have to kill yourself everytime just to get a pick which is common on Rek'Sai above the 30 minutes mark

I've been playing rek for a long time now and she is a very fun and reliable champion, with her biggest strength being that she is a mix between an assassin and a bruiser, you just need to build it properly (and by that I mean, stop buying prowler every game, also please play conqueror instead of HoB)
I hope some people will try this out and maybe enjoy it !

Ery Almario

i'd argue that she's more of a briser/diver

Joaquín Alejandro Vincent

3y↑1

I mean she is strange now a days, but the laughs you get out of prowlers is priceless, she is an assasin that can last really long if you know how to play her and can build half bruiser if needed, 10/10 favorite champ.

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Ruby Starfire

3y↑523

players: hate evelynn because she "denies" vision control

also players: never places wards, or in case they do, never check the minimap

Miltank

2y↑1

@StealthGamer Pyke and Twitch being a better invis champ than Eve the queen of invis herself? I have to laugh

Olsen Fernandes

Wild Rift players be having Vietnam flashbacks, Invisible with no counterplay
Outsmites every objective with just her ult

vinnythewebsurfer

2y↑1

@Trike Phalon basically. The strongest roles in the game are played by the worse players and whenever they’re bad, you already have a bad time and if you’re playing against champs like Eve or other assassins without a competent jungler; it’s literal hell on earth unplayable.

Cry baby

@Patryk im pretty sure your diamond down Evelyn such easy counter you just have to do map managing with your team by warding one buff you can know how they path in jungle mostly they go red its depends on situations where your mid or enemy pushing to tower then u gank adter that scuttle blue grock wolf recall go red camp every lane

5h1z4m3

2y↑2

She doesnt even need to use W on you to one shot so what are we talking about

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Jake Heckert

3y↑453

Vars ripping on Yone’s design will forever be welcome in my home

Vincent Proud

Eh, I think it really hurts a video like this. Getting a short meme instead of any actual discussion isn't informative or useful at all.

Estrela

@Scarlet Noct if life was that easy my friend....

Scarlet Noct

@Estrela I can't 1v1 a darius, so I don't. It's not hard to avoid being half health under tower lmao

Estrela

@Scarlet Noct oh, so you're telling me you're an absolute god and never got cheater recalled in your entire life? Bet you can 1v1 a darius lv 1 too.

Scarlet Noct

@Estrela if I'm nasus I'm not in that situation. I'm better than that lol

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DelTec And They

3y↑162

I think LeBlanc's more of a Burst mage than an assassin, and the main weakness of a burst mage such as Veigar or Syndra should be mobility. She shares the same problem as Yuumi: lacking the very one weakness that her class should have.

Veri nic meta supports

2y↑4

-While generally other assassins don't, Leblanc has one of the biggest mana problems among the class as a whole, a weakness that she indeed shares with other burst mages and that limits her early purchases.

-Leblanc doesn't have good lane management, a weakness shared by a lot of other assassins.

Leblanc got some of the two biggest downsides of both classes, and while I see the problem in the fact they are kinda outside of the opponent direct control, it's REALLY unfair to say she doesn't. She is heavily countered by pushing midlaners since she's going to struggle lasthitting underturret or wasting her main assassination tool to waveclear.

Lunacy

@Ruan Weiers Britzke No she is not. She is basically a skirmishing mobile version of Syndra. Both burst you down the moment you are at a certain thresh hold of hp and till then they try to poke you down with their autos and Q and threatens with their combos and stun/root potential. Both have one of the best gank setups in midlane. And ofc the mobile single target cc champion thrives in skirmishes while the immobile aoe dmg and cc champion thrives in teamfights. There are also quite a few pro players who can only play mages and LeBlanc and sucks at assassins/fighters and vice versa to prove the point even further. You can also see LeBlanc playing poke oriented in a pro setting a lot she jus pokes in her own unique way. She is hybrid of burst mage and assassin but in the lane she plays more like a mage. Also Syndra absolutely does not struggle in the early game. She has one of the most dominant laning phases. Just because she can't vommit on her keyboard and one shot someone from 100% hp like some assassins doesn't mean she is weak early game as if you lane with Syndra properly you don't need that to be dominant because she has long range low cd decent dmg, hard cc for great set up and diisengage.

Shane Coffing

Best of both worlds.

JUSTAHOLiDAY

3y↑27

But LeBlanc doesn't have the range that Veigar or Syndra has. They zone out certain areas, while LeBlanc tries to pick people overwalls or when they face check bushes. She also is a lot more supportive, as she stuggles to get kills unless she is super fed. Because for one, LeBlancs is strong early game, Syndra and Veigar struggle early game. LeBlanc sucks late game, or when not ahead, while Syndra and Veigar are strong late game and can just farm if they aren't ahead. As they're wave clear and scaling is far more superior, Since LeBlanc is probably one of the worse csers in the game. Meanwhile Syndra can QE an entire wave, and Veigar can take out waves in a matter of econds, not only generating more gold but AP

It's really not the same playstyle at all, more so, LeBlanc is only a burst mage in the sense that all of her dmg is frontloaded, and really fast. But she has nothing to follow up on it or after. And the fact her auto attacks are ranged. Because she really needs to get up close or at least stick onto someone in order to do any meaningful dmg. If she's ever going to not use her W for dmg it's more of a supportive thing to cc someone for someone else to get the kill. But in teamfights, that's completely useless. Because taking 1.5 seconds, to stick on a target in a ring in a teamfight, will surely get you killed. But as Syndra or Veigar, you don't need to put yourself out like that, or need to buy yourself 1.5 seconds of time showing everyone "Hey I'm over here". You simply need to cast the ability on them and they are stunned.

This is also extremely important when you are considering someone who is extremely fed. Say someone like, a fed Drave with shieldbow. taking 1.5 seconds while being so close to Dravens face is not ideal, he can easily kil you before then.

Ruan Weiers Britzke

3y↑20

She played like a assassin, but she surely don't have the weaknesses assassin should have

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Jatoffel

3y↑217

If Ekko was designed in Season 11. His ult would be a normal spell with 10 seconds cooldown and move him instant into ass tier.

Zender

and resets on takedowns (not kills, takedowns)

Amos de Guzman

2y↑6

@Sprinngam Hahahahaha.

His designer is August, who is currently head champion designer.

Sprinngam

2y↑2

@Herr Doktor that man must got fired after ekko's release for sure

Herr Doktor

2y↑14

I believe the designer said it origionally was supposed to be a basic ability, but they made it his ultimate, because it was too broken.

NCR Ranger

That's so true

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Amen

3y↑70

"A toplane Nasus may think Fizz is a non-issue"
Top lane Nasus: 5:38

Pan Lis

2y↑17

I like how over the years there were so many bs abilities added to the game that Fizz's E isn't as tilting as it used to be

GateBreakerZ

2y↑7

FashionSuckMan

3y↑60

Khazid most def. He's the only one that really goes into the "assassination" sort of fantasy because of his isolation mechanic.

Gustavo Suarez

3y↑30

The thing about Yone is that he has no drawbacks given the number of tools he has. He doesn't make any compromises in any area, yet has more mechanics than he needs to do the job.

And LeBlanc, she would be much more bearable if her chains didn't have a fricking 865 tether radius. You can legit WW as Zed and still be in range to get rooted, such a stupid ability.

Al Daniel Jumilla

3y↑5

Yup that tether range makes her unbearable.

FX

3y↑4

You can flash away and still be in range too XD

diego armando

3y↑136

As a Mage main, I'll say that assasins are more like a psychological trat, they can kill you in less than a second yes, but, do they have the ball of doing it?

Sebastian LaPlume

@why are we still here sunderer was better the entire time, it did more damage and healed more.

why are we still here

2y↑1

@Sebastian LaPlume I mean, yeah I guess. But that's like saying goredrinker was bad because you could use it at the wrong time but everyone still took it over other items.

Sebastian LaPlume

2y↑1

@Spice bott101 I’ve died with hourglass available countless times do to stun locks, and the occasional user error where I use the wrong active, wrong item slot or whatever. There is no user error on ga, plus it gives a massive stat reimbursement when it resurrects. Hourglass you merely count to 2 and burst them. Almost every champ has some gimmick that requires setup, 2.5 seconds is way more than enough to wombo combo anyone. So exclusively mid team fight with a powerful aoe ability active and four teammates around, hourglass is better. However, in literally every other scenario ga is just comparable or better.

Spice bott101

2y↑5

@Sebastian LaPlume Cap Hourglass is way better than GA you can choose when to use and deny all cooldowns also people do not know if its up or not since they cannot see the cd on it

Sebastian LaPlume

2y↑3

@Yuhan most ad carries and assassins have access to hourglass too in their build, I’d say GA is actually better though because there’s no shot of being CC’d out it and it gives a fat heal. Hourglass can be, and is, completely useless in the majority of fights on the majority of champs, ga is almost never bad.

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Kyle Soriano

3y↑12

Seeing talon get love and respect warms my heart. I still miss “accidental” triple kill old talon before rework.

JET

same, before even his rework i noticed his ult dmg is being lowered. his ult damage b4 was stronger(with his silence on his E XD) unlike in this rework, still i love playing him and one of my main.

Darío Bravo

2y↑8

Vars: Rengar fulfills the definition of assassin being his motto hit and run one enemy at a time.

AP Rengar: well... That's an option...

Shacolin

3y↑6

HideSide HS

Shadow Slime

3y↑143

Is there gonna be a design tierlist like this for every class?

Shadow Slime

3y↑2

@captaine flow chapka i posted this comment before the video premiered....

captaine flow chapka

3y↑7

it litteraly waht he say at the end xD

AtomBacon

3y↑3

I believe that was what he said at the beginning.

Alfonso Dlt

3y↑20

Wanna see that

Zoltox

3y↑169

Personally I feel like katarina’s design is so bad because the “counterplay” is so hard to use as it is mainly just point and click cc and mower days there are few champs with point and click cc.

turtle

2y↑2

@Axylrhodz Bompal if she did less damage she would be useless

Axylrhodz Bompal

For me, katarina shouldnt have burst aoe damage, since she is an assasin with so much mobility. Like please, make her skills deal lesser damage the more enemies stack in them, like khazix

Shane Coffing

Gotta love Annie man. Counters that chick HARD

Alanqa raptor

3y↑1

@Axylrhodz Bompal wow you really dont know how to play againts katarina XD

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Courage TheKowardlyDog

3y↑16

Love the idea of doing all classes like this. Also some people might disagree but I like it when tier list are also put into order of worst to best even in specific tiers. Mostly so I can see who is in your opinion the absolute best and worst. Also I think it would be a good idea to cover a few Champs twice like LeBlanc in mages and assasins.

Dylan Helvetios

3y↑882

Everyones know Yuumi is the best assassin uwu

Dimitri Le Pain

3y↑1

@Tovi no, he said "i am" so i repeated "you are". Don't correct what's not wrong!

Tovi

@Dimitri Le Pain *your

Dimitri Le Pain

3y↑1

@Chi Thao you're

stef kunnen

We once wanted to give yuumi a penta kill but she couldn't kilk uw fast enough :(

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Hethalean

3y↑115

Based on Ekko 'well you can stun lock him forever then he can't even use ult' well everyone is pretty much counterplayable lol

Hugex 97

3y↑4

Stun is not a counterplay. Everybody dies off of a crowd control. He needs something that makes him.vulnerable besides the obvious. However, I disagree his ult is broken. Yes it does dmg, but u have to be really braindead to receive ekkos ult dmg because it is always far. It is mostly something thst does him good because thst is what he is. Mess up? Rewind and fix it

Laçez

3y↑4

Now what u meant to really address is Yi. That’s what everyone says, ‘just CC him.’ Aka: no counterplay

Strataslayer

3y↑2

while true there's definitely a difference in ccing a backline enemy and ccing an enemy that's forced to go balls deep into the enemy of your team its very easy to turn on ekko if he miss times his approach and gets ccd

captaine flow chapka

3y↑13

it not quite that :

he have a tool that give him a possible escape card , that to fully optimise he shall use at the very end to bait as much shit as possible , but doing so he put himself in great risk and the confienfe it give is a fatal point of error .
also he is predictable enougth that a prepared team can tank him......i mean if he not fed in that as bye bye backline

Glenn Gehrs

2y↑2

Without taking numbers into account, Zed's design seems close to being the most fair. He accumulates the damage and presents opportunities for counter play along the way e.g. Zhonya's, Barrier or other.
On the other end of the spectrum I'd say champions like Rengar is the most unhealthy, because his way of assassinating is literal one-shotting someone. Apparently becoming the ultimate hunter means going invisible and running straight at your enemy. A shame since the rest of his kit is thematic and cool, but holy hells what a goofy ult. His ult could've been centered more around brushes, really cementing his dominance in the jungles of the map. Really make you feel like you're in his territory now, and have him be reasonably weaker without them. Alas, angery kitty run at you fast with Q+crit for the nuke.

Legal ST

3y↑56

Through the lens of ADC mains, every assassin is in the "ass" tier period.

J.A Ferr

Tru

Devenery

3y↑11

As a Leb main, I agree that she's annoying. A decent Leb will kill you while a great one just pokes around and withers your entire team down.

hebbi

3y↑12

best part about the yone discussion is that we're going to hear it at least one more time on skirmisher discussion with him being one of the few that sit in multiple category's by design.

Xalto 49

3y↑114

Can't wait to see my favorite bug boi Kazzy-chan get rated, F or S tier doesn't matter, I wanna hear a discussion on how his build and evolve diversity affects his strength and counterplay as a champion

Solidderx7

3y↑1

I love playing against Kha. Invade him and sit in his raptors and he's screwed :p

Joaquín Espeleta

also that shit about "build diversity" applies for literally 90% of assassins, almost all of them can go for either a burst build or a duely build, thats not something unique for khazix at all

Joaquín Espeleta

3y↑4

Khazix has as basic of a design as talon. Just as one-dimensional with really linear abilities, and he either abuses his stupid stats to exploit the worst of solo ranked or does nothing because the enemy team knows how to play against an assassin. He also has such a perfect kit that he entirely nullified other assassins with better defined weaknesses and strenghts like rengar. Every weakness khazix has apoly for most other assassins, he's only "well design" when you compare him with stupid stuff like Kata.

Xalto 49

3y↑6

@kom goo Well beyond the fact that he is clearly overtuned right now, at least there's the idea that you can stay close together and Kha'zix won't get his isolation damage. But high elo Kha'zix players have been taking advantages of this defensive maneuver by building Goredrinker... I wonder what Vars thinks about that, whether the item or the champion needs to be fixed. Probably both but who knows

kom goo

3y↑10

"counterplay" you forgot the sarcastic quotations

Misterious Gamers

3y↑87

If they ever rework kassadin they should rly delete some off his abilities and replace them with abilities that could make him more like a bruiser rather than assasin i always felt he was more off an anti mage fighter rather than assasin

Simeon Ivanov

2y↑1

@Yuhan Yeah, Anti-mage's kit is much more well thematically suited that that of Kassadin, who is a scaling super mobile AP hypercarry and besides his q and his passive that give little ap shield and MR, there is literally nothing that suggests this champion is an "anti-mage". Morgana is much more of an anti-mage, because with her blackshield, she can literally negate the whole purpose of a mage, denying cc and having this huge AP shield.

Yuhan

3y↑1

Kassadin was supposed to be a counterpart from a hero in dota named “anti-mage”, and just by the name it overlaps already, AM also has a blink ability like kassadin and they’re both purple if you compare the anti-mage from dota2, tho the key difference is anti-mage focuses on eating your mana (he also deals more damage if the target has more mana if I remember correctly) unlike kass who focuses on bursting his enemies

Misterious Gamers

3y↑2

@Ähren Mann eh sylas is more "not give a fuck abt anything champ"

Ähren Mann

3y↑1

Isnt that the entire idea behind sylas

Zedant

3y↑1

That's what he was by original design

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Thomas B

3y↑2

I kinda disagree about Kayn, his blue form is surely really strong but the idea that his has to take risks and play agressive when he is at his weakest is quite interesting. Unlike other scaling champions, he offers you chance to interact with him when he sucks the most.
Also disagree for Pyke, he is way too hard to kill compared to how easily he can kill other people in early - mid. I dont mind carry supports as they usually are vulnerable as a compensation for their huge damage, but Pyke can just get out of most situations if he wants to

Zecknel-A

3y↑2

I do like how you mention a lot of the characters in here being hybrids of other classes like skirmishers and divers instead of purely just assassins.

alex jimmy

2y↑3

i do agree stealth its to strong here i loved how dota has implemented their vision vs invis as you got multiple tools to actually counter invis while not beeing unfair to champs that use invis. there its dust costs about 400gold and reveals any invisible unit in a large area but lasts only few seconds has 2 charges, there are sight wards and they have no vision by themselfs but if you stand near it it reveals invis units in about 400-500 range and lastly gem of true sight an item that costs 800 gold and does nothing but give true sight to wearer and its droped upon death. i just belive its better desinhn like this as you dont have a way to complecty negate invis yet not be ultra vulnerable

Jami Mäkinen

3y↑2

I don't think Talon belongs in to Good tier because of his E, he has tons of escape against too many champions, and the roam potential with the speed of light he goes makes it hard to play against him altogether, but that's my opinion

AtomBacon

3y↑9

Eve is one of my favoueite assassins because she feels so different. She has next to no stick outside her empowered E and her only mobility is a finisher that attacks in one direction then sends her the opposite way. Great for ending a fight but not for engaging or chasing. Ya she has charm but if you don't burst the enemy before it ends you can't really get much out of it again because of the long cooldown.

All that's to say that she relies a lot more on position and especially flanking compared to other more mobile assassins and I find that to be a lot of fun.

panos TS

2y↑2

The strongest assassin was easily the old Rengar. True invisibility and 3k burst damage requiring 0 skillshots

Jensan tay-hing

3y↑1

This reminds me of my favorite game mode, hunt of the blood moon. It felt good as a support main one shot people. Also I remember in that gamemode other champions were also considered "assasin"

Dude Guy

3y↑3

In your Leblanc section you said ”if you play a short range champion, without cc or dashes you cant touch leblanc”. That literally applies only to Olaf, Mundo, Nasus and maybe Illaoi? Which are usually tanky thus a natural counter to assassins. The real problem is just playing squishy champs that have slow reacting kits like most ADCs and lots of mages

Arka Barma

2y↑4

I disagree with Zed. He's just passable. Pre 6 he's fine. But post 6 he's becomes a point and click dmg bot that does dmg without even landing his q which btw is east to land bc no cast time. I still say he's passable bc he's not exactly hard to shut off. U always know where he's gonna come on his ult so yeah. Not ass. Not good. Just passable

Sheldon M

3y↑1

As a former Shaco main, I 100% agree. Would love to see him reworked, that might make me come back to the Rift.

Questionablyyy

3y↑18

When he finishes ranking every role he should go through all of the "good" tier champs and rank them

Vaden Rafael

3y↑57

as a kayn main, i felt like the only buff he needed was to increase his orb gain
once they did that, he was fine, but they kept on buffing him and then they changed the items and now he's broken
how to balance him? revert the orb buff or revert everything else
kayn gets form WAYYY too quickly, even for my liking, and especially with SA, its way too easy to snowball
i loved it when you actually felt good for finishing form at a decent time (which was like 12-15 mins) because that's when you could do stuff and catch back up.
now you just get form at 8 mins and roll everyone down

Einjharr Elraca

2y↑1

@Spice bott101 maybe 7 years ago. But it’s 2021 my guy. Zed is far from difficult now. Compared to champions like azir, kalista, gangplank, ryze and many other champions, zed is a joke.

Spice bott101

@Einjharr Elraca He has stayed iconic in the game due to how skill expressive he is in the first place. The most legendary play in the history of league E sports is on zed btw.

Spice bott101

@Einjharr Elraca "Would be impressive" listen man take a look at how pros play him and take notes. His gameplay is on another level compared to most champs the only arguably harder to play than him are Azir amd Riven.

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MeadowEdits

3y↑58

I would PERSONALLY like to add a comment to the assassin video so that more people may be aware that this is a good video. One of my favorites in fact!

NotMareius

3y↑4

I too love when katarina goes 1/9 in lane, gets a single good teamfight and ends with 29/9

Cant forget Akali either, it wouldnt be the same if someone be untargetable while bursting me down like im some dog getting put down

Zaluke C

3y↑10

I’m a kayn main and I honestly believe shadow assassin is fine in the context of what his design was (key word was). Weak early game aside from a good clear and good damage (if it actually lands when it’s really easy to dodge) then reaping the benefits later by fighting for your form. The problem though is that the “downside” of having to actually wait and really fight for your form is kinda gone with the orb buffs. If it just took a few minutes longer to actually get blue form I think he’d be significantly better balanced. Also with the way items are for assassins this season i think a lot of their issues are pretty exaggerated including goredrinker on kayn which isn’t his only build but it’s still very strong atm.

ALviK

Before when games lasted marginally longer, yes. Orb buff was well deserved. But now you really can't revert that specific buff.
Right now assassins have to snowball even more to be effective while before you just could go even and still manage to do your job.
Now we have a lot of healing, shielding and hp on a lot of champions (incl assassins).
I think they should modify some items (like gotedrinker) to be inefficent on assassins. And they should buff mithic passive accross the board so that one doesnt buy it for stats as much as it buys it for the passive (X stats for each leggendary)
Also adcs using assassin items aint that great either.

One Thousand Howards

3y↑2

Largely agree with this, Idk the solution but I think items is 100% what’s breaking kayn or making forms unplayable. Not too long ago Rhaast was near unplayable due to all his items being nerfed. Blue I feel is kinda in the same situation where— sure, you can go prowlers, but it’s pretty dogshit right now and it feels terrible to use.

I’d be fine with orb nerf but the issue is that games are getting shorter and if I had to wait 12-15 mins, and that’d be the GOOD form time, with these items? Kayn would be pretty unplayable imo

lords nia

3y↑1

THANK YOU i've been thinking Kassadin, Shaco and Nocturne desperately need a rework due to their incredible outdated champ design. it just feels very odd how their abilities have so little synergy.
great quality content. keep up the good work. wish you well.

Ariez Weatherford

3y↑16

You don't know pain until you are a fed voli helplessly chasing the katarina to stun her but she keeps swapping locations and killing your whole team

Jasper Hahn

I would definitely watch more ranking videos of champions within a certain class/subclass. I'm especially interested in a Juggernaut ranking.

Rannulfus

3y↑34

The problem with idea of Ekko's ult having a tradeoff is that such a short cooldown WITHOUT ability haste nullifies that very notion almost completely. He's basically got a GUARANTEED revive on a two minute cd, that goes to a minute and a half, and fifty seconds at levels 11 and 16 respectively, again, without ability haste. There's no way to stop him from doing it, so it's better than a Zilean revive. It does a lot of damage around the landing point, so it's a pretty powerful ability. The thing that makes it broken isn't the life save, or the damage, but the fact that he has it available to him so frequently, on top of having no way to really stop him from doing it, giving such a small and unexploitable window for punishment if he uses it, be it successfully or not.

Also, leave my Nocy boy out of this, he ain't even an assassin anymore, he's more of a Fiora or Tryndamere. He's like a diver/skirmisher, and I really hope they don't make him more of an assassin because duelist Nocturne is too much fun.

Rannulfus

@OMG Anthony That would be a great way to look at Ekko, if people used his ult that way, and sure, they do, in the early game, but that doesn't really apply to my stated comment above. People tend to use Ekko's ult more as a tool to bolster his burst damage. Ekko's damage (to my prior knowledge) was some of the strongest in the game. That's what makes him an assassin. His TTK was always maybe a little lower than other assassins, but his bulkier stats, his shield, the healing (however much it really is), and build (from prior seasons at least) made it so that he could stay in just long enough to do his job, and get out with one of the several tools he has to help him do so. His ult's escape factor does come in handy for an Ekko who's in a little too deep, but that's not the way any Ekko really wants to use that ability. You can kite him to keep his ult's landing location a different spot from where he is currently, but then you're dealing with the other difficulties of his kit, those being his stun/slow field (which admittedly is hard to land), slow on q, and double-dash. Being ranged doesn't help MUCH because of how easy it is for him to get on top of you, and the fact that there's a good chance that if he sticks to you, you're just dead, and if you're kiting as melee, it's a low chance you'll be doing anything other than getting away, because having to also run usually makes it difficult for you to do what YOU need to in order to really shut him down.

To the guy who made the meta comment, my original comment was made roughly 3 or so months ago, I think the item changes hadn't gone through yet. The point is, when Ekko is viable, he's a headache to deal with.

OMG Anthony

The weakness ekko últ has is that it telegraphs is rewind location to everyone. This makes his últ easily punishable if you can set it up properly, and the healing is easily countered by grievous wounds, which keep him in an easily burstable state

Max Faks

I don’t get it. How Ekko broken, his not even meta as champs like Yone and Qiyana have more tools and are more impactful team fights. His ult cooldown is perfectly fine since he like one of the weakest hero in the early game that can’t even do much. Just cc him and put him behind farm than it would be 4v5. If you can’t end early against Ekko that’s on you because his late game hero (second strongest late game assasin after kass).
Geez just bad.

Kisamefishfry

what do you mean you cant stop him from using his ult? It's not Trynd ult lmao. The statement that it's better than Zilean ult is absolutely absurd. I see you commented that there are comps that exist without cc. Well that's called playing a solo queue comp where everyone thinks they are the main character who has to carry a game. Get some humility and play a champion who helps your team. No need to be an ego player. It doesn't help you.

edit: also try playing him. You clearly haven't if you think you just dive in and ult out.

Viktor

also a big problem i have with the vid is him saying ekko's abilities are hard to hit, he has 2 skillshots, one of which is too slow to be used at range so you just use it as melee burst after dashing and blinking 500 miles with his e, and another is just a fuck you zone that you can't fight ekko in

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AJJJJJJJJJJ

Loved this, please more role ranking!! Every marksman ranked next would be neat

Joaco Gianola

Loved the video. Can't wait to see how you rank Tanks and Bruisers (i'm a top main as well)... i'm really interested into how you place them.

Thành Nguyễn Quốc

wow , i love this new series , please do more for other roles

Vinico M Sparkito

3y↑1

pls, do more rankings, they're so fun to watch lol

Jpz3000

Great vid! Will have to say I think Pyke is in the ass tier though. If they were gonna make an "assassin support" work, the execute and some form of stealth makes sense. But I do also think that he is too safe for this. I dont think they should have given him a heal on that stealth mechanic as it can feel really bad to actually fight him in lane when he can safely just press 2 buttons to run away and come back to full health unless you hard committed to igniting him. Everyone else on the list, I pretty much agree

stinky rat man

3y↑5

I don't understand why you always say "everyone hates evelynn because of her stealth", but honestly the only thing that makes me despise the champion is her R, one of the best escapes in the game, and one of the biggest nukes, on a pretty low cd.

Pikminologue Raisin

I totally agreed with that

Lost Wolf

I hate her e more.
That ability does enough damage to 3/4 life every champion in the game

Hans Hysher

3y↑35

I have Yone level 7 mastery just too proof how stupid that champion is, yet riot prefers to keep him as disgusting as possible.

KillaZami

2y↑1

i love playing yone cuz hes super fun and broken as hell but to keep it fair i only play him in unranked. Dont wanna ruin other peoples ranked games by abusing unfair champs ^^

Camade

3y↑4

I'm surprised that you didn't include Ahri, I know she's tachnicaly a mage but her ultimate thinks otherwise

[g0] [b3y0nd]

2y↑1

He didn't even include nidalee

KhalidCT

3y↑2

she is a half mage half assasin

GreatGatorGaming

3y↑29

So are we taking into account every ad assassin abusing goredrinker in this list or not?

ALviK

3y↑1

@Nate SaintJacques exept he placed blue kayn on ass tear mostly because items make it more durable where in reality he shouldnt be.

Zero

It's cause they nerfed prowler's hard I think

Nate SaintJacques

3y↑5

He based them on design not a broken item. They can easily be toned down if the item sees changes.

IsIs likes YoU

3y↑2

to begin with Riot when making those items dont realize that their intentions are not on point, take deaths dance when reworked when riot said to " help toplaners" its also the time mr 200 years was getting on the balanced ground till the item rework and it was abused

Damjan Radisavljevis

3y↑5

Idk assassins were always abusing items that were not for their role like last season most assasins went two lethality and than steraks or other bruiser items

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Milanesa con Pure

3y↑15

I completely disagree to you saying that Ekko has to sacrifice damage to use his ult for safe plays, when with E into melee Q and a basic attack (including electrocute) obliberates anything.

v01d Abby

@Shrung DN My man, fighting a champ next to a scuttle doesn't make Kha lost his isolation passive

Akatosh

What? No they dont have a weak early, i ve 1v1 d and destroyed god damn lvl 4 lee sins and kha's as a lvl 4 kayn, LEE SIN AND KHA , which are considered some of the best early game dueslists in the entire game? Does that sound weak? Oh no he can get invaded by them and catch him off guard so he loses pre transformation than get blue and have insane clear speed while ganking everywhere cause of his dumb mobility and burst, what is weak in that?
And you dont beat katarin in lane, you beat her in champ select, if you have a cc heavy comp than she is useless unless she gets hyper fed in the early game(which can happen) but if you dont than you might as well ff or get hyper fed and end the game before she can do something.
With other words your idea of good counterplay against both kayn and kat is either to have teams that counter them or be WAY better than them and get hyperfed and win before they can do a comeback.Amazing, truly amazing.

Raul Sauceda

3y↑3

@Shrung DN In terms if actual design yes they are lol. Also Kayn hasnt had a bad early game in a long time. You say Khazix can invade him and make him go 0-10 but he can do that to almost everyone lol its Khazix. I dont understand peoples argument for Kayn when almost all of high elo (minus the Kayn players) also agree he is elo inflating af.

Yuhan

Fizz used to be one of my “champions I want to main in the future” when I’m still playing league in pc, but it just ruined it for me when playing against him in wild rift, I don’t know what’s wrong but I hope they remove him from the game

Luis Torres

With kayn I love going spooky kayn build. Full movement speed, predator, runes for mov speed, including the one in River. Mov speed shoes, yomuus, and so on. Showing up top la e and from nowhere you are one shooting the enemy adc in botlane, that put a tear of joy in my eye.

Project: Sanctuary

3y↑11

attack speed On Hit AP Lulu

you don't ever expect that damage coming.

e z taylor

Good video, more of this stuff! (Can't wait to see riven and Irelia get rated ass tier)

luufia

2y↑1

Love the tierlist by design rather than current powerlvl ! Btw i legit spat on my screen when yone appeared xD

yoshikage kira

3y↑1

Its 100% shadow assassin kayn, but I can accept some of the points but eve is much more annoying than sa kayn, most of his issues come from overturned items that are good on most champs not just him

TomaTrowlite

3y↑1

Hi Vars, I've been following your videos a lot lately & I found all of them very entertaining, I was just wondering will you still make 'Why Noone Plays' videos? And if you do, will you consider making one for Jayce? I almost never find him on the enemy team & I can't even find any decent streamer who plays him at all, I'm not demanding anything, just maybe giving some ideas for future videos

Pyrrha 卍Nikos

3y↑2

I'm so glad you share my opinion that shaco and kassadin need reworks. Everytime i bring this up i get rage from the one tricks. I don't get it, these champions are clearly bad and their player base wants them to be bad forever. .

Pulsatilla Pusteblume

3y↑2

I main kindred, kalista, kayn and Qiyana. I main 2 marksmen yet the class I have the least problems with are assassin's. And I know kindred is an anti assassin in a way but even playing any other role I am always happy to see assassin's on the enemy team (except Kata) because I know most assassin players are worse than me and that is a great thing. Assassin's are the hardest role and that is why I love them. If an assassin one shots me I am like: "whoa this guy is good" the instead of "wee wee I am bad so unfair" and I believe that is how it should be.

José Antonio Marrón Martínez

3y↑1

As as assasin main (I main Eve/Diana) I think you were super biased with LB xD Yes if you play Darius you are not going to touch her, but she isnt unfair overall. And I agree with Yone's tier.

Weeg

3y↑1

The best strat on kayn is to int to get form as early as possible btw, great design!

Artyola

I think that master yi also is an assassin, as he can take down most enemies quickly, if they’re alone, the same way as with Kha’zix, since both of them can melt you down with auto attacks, and alpha strike/taste their fear

Ano nymchen

2y↑1

12:42
Vars: ... because she is actually hard to play and requires tactical execution as opposed to blue kayne...
Qiyana: ... Point and a click on ezreal to one- shot him.

loved the somewhat ironic situation xD

Dire str

I think that the problem with Katarina is that she can build offtank, becaused she applies impact effects of items. I dont think she is that bad (atleast compared to the original), maybe i will put it in neutral

Buoy B

3y↑3

Love to see Ekko getting the praise he deserves 😌

Vlisto

Just one little correction. Nocturne became broken not when stridebreaker had a dash, but right after they removed the dash and buffed its slow to a huge extent.

Frontier Brain Anabel

3y↑2

I might be biased as a former Leblanc main but I think she’s quite easy to play against. Yes she’s so annoying when fed but just play a champion that can shove waves like crazy and she’s not gonna do anything all game. She relies too much on snowball and has no neutral game.

I’ve never seen a Leblanc truly 1v9 or have that potential. Most Leblancs and even Leblanc mains I’ve gone against don’t feel like they hard carry at all. I find other assassins much more annoying to deal with than Leblanc but maybe because I really know how to play against her idk. I’d say Zed would be stronger and better because whilst Leblanc has more personal safety with her mobility, Zed gets the job done better with better damage. But I don’t like how you put her as “ass” for the reason being “annoying to play against” - that isn’t really a fair assessment.

Gneo Z

3y↑1

Zed looks good at first until you see his super safe poke. Would put on passable

Asyrief Ikmal

Do skirmishers design tier list. I really want to hear how would you rate them, and Yone gets a second video too. And I can tell Yone and Viego are Ass tier

Counting Cards

I think Leblanc is pretty cool but also clunky, if she got a little rework she could be one of the most fun champs in the game (and one of he most frustrating)

MuchStache

3y↑1

I agree with most of this honestly except for maybe Zed. Yes he has a higher learning curve than most but his safety is understated. I think abilities that make you untargetable while dealing damage (yes I know that R doesn't deal damage straight away but still) are generally bad design with low counterplay in a game like LoL. Yes if you have an AoE stun you can predict the end of the skill but first the window is so very short as he doesn't have a cast time when jumping to a shadow and there's not many skills like that anyways (not to mention, target might die either way).

I wouldn't say he's "ass" tier, but at least passable and only due to skill floor.

Ataya

I notice thay every assasin on your "passable tier " is that they were the ones that are versatile
And also Qiyana is sick

Chrizian Palomares

I can clearly hear in your tone how much fun making this video was for you and Im here for it🤍

Keylen Keylen

3y↑1

Ok but like, that Nami ult at 1:17 saved that whole team fight for them

Joaquín Espeleta

reksai 100% plays (and besides the current goredrinker build, usually builds as one as well) as an assassin, im curious as to why you dont consider her one.

vinnythewebsurfer

It’s honestly incredible that over the years, I’ve gone from think Fizz needs to be deleted from the game to not even giving him a second thought after seeing New Akali’s bullshit; the Zoe Snipers, all the asinine 200 years designs like Samira that pretended to be an ADC or Veigo and Akshan but was actually here to to be Katarina with the survivability of your average top laner. It’s insane how much fairer Fizz feels compared to champs whose single abilitiescan be more titling with their texts than his entire kit combined.

Kingmana

Pretty entertaining video, thank you a lot for it!

Amir

Love to see my boys Ekko and Talon at top tier 😁

Pablo Angulo

IMO Ekko is still a bit too tanky, he can get hit too much when diving in for him to be a big risk dives champion. He should have either lower base HP, armor o MR. Other than that I'm fine with even things like his CD or huge damage

Executioner Thel

3y↑1

Personally I dislike Talon's wall hop and how his damage is setup. Having the ability to click and wall and hop it makes the champ ridiculously difficult to punish as well as escape from when he can traverse half of the map with a basic ability. When it comes to dueling a talon you are even with it's dodge his rake which is fine counterplay because it is very dodge able everything else is point and click so finding a good time to overtake him in lane is deceptive with his passive.
fun list thanks for the content Vars

Executioner Thel

@Ruan Weiers Britzke Is it buggy? I haven’t played him but from an outside view it seems to work very consistently. At least damaging Kayn can force him out sooner with talon you hope you have hard cc and hope you can time it right in the small window of talon starting the jump. Also only shadow assassin kayn os immune to slows not base and not darkim rhaast

Ruan Weiers Britzke

Have you seem how buggy his E is? Kayn's is much better and on a lower cool down too, did you know that kayn's E also cleanses slows?

David Fernández

It's interesting watching this because funny enough I'm an adc main, almost Ez/Aphelios one trick, that despises tanks and actually likes assassins. I personally don't have strong feelings against any of them besides Fizz's one shot potential while missing everything, Ekko having a 3 second AoE stun while being a burst champion and Akali being too slippery with her W. But I kinda get why people have these opinions while I think Amumu, Rammus and Sion are the most toxic champions ever made.

Cheetahofthewind13

3y↑1

Kayn in my opinion is just because of the items, if anything he feels way more healthy in solo lanes(imagine a champ designed for jg is better in lane, riot games everyone)

emptyptr

Akali only in 3. tier? Idk I think that from a design perspective shes great. I mained her for a while, so maybe Im bias, but her circle mechanic is cool, and her invis, while annoying, makes a lot of sense for her for what it is now.

Fatgum

I love Fizz, Ekko, Rengar and Akali, so im more than happy with your ratings

Elijah Pelito

So the deciding factors might be their burst damage, skill ceiling and mobility. Just by these, it puts zed and maybe fizz at s tier and rengar at probably c or b tier.

TigerKirby215

3y↑2

If Talon isn't D tier I'll have several questions.

Rawen 1

3y↑4

Fizz deserves good design because thanks to him we have trick2g's "can we buff udyr" meltdown

Ant

3y↑15

I agree with most of these besides ekko. Ellis Es is pony in click he can’t miss it then he can q and do more than enough damage to kill ppl. He doesn’t need his ult to kill ppl . He can but it’s over kill . You said for kat if u don’t have fast acting or point and click cc you can’t deal with her. Ekkos E is the same blink that does crazy damage .

Ant

@Max Faks there should be counter play . Ekko having a blink auto that does half ur hp bar doesn’t leave u any options . Like talon has a dash for his q and his ult he runs so that’s not that bad. Yeah zeds just got gigga nerfed bc he was killing ppl without even ultimate

Max Faks

I don’t get it. Is that the point of an assasin to jump/ blink in to the squishy enemy regardless of damage that why Rengar, kaz and talon are there. Kaz even goes invisible and has larger range than Ekko e so why not complain about him?

Thomas B

3y↑1

@mustache cake Just fyi (if u ever intend to try Ekko one day), Ekko players dont cast Q at point blank after landing E.
You are supposed to cancel the Q casting animation with your E cast (so Q is still a ranged skillshot)
Also, his Q first hit has very low damage (again lol) that is 130 + 30% AP ratio so you want very much to hit the passive and the Q's return or else I swear you are not one shotting anyone

Thomas B

@Ant I was and am not saying that Ekko's E is a bad ability as a whole, but you said that his E does "crazy damage".
My only point was that no, Ekko's E doesn't deal much damage by itself.

mustache cake

@Thomas B but then you're not taking into consideration that his E practically guarantees him to hit at least the first damage of his Q, top it all off with an auto that he is already in range to do and you have a one shot combo off his passive, and if you do happen to force him to ult, he's just gonna use his stupid move speed from his passive to catch up to you

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Scyth

If you take into account blue form by itself yeah, there's nothing you can do about him, but knowing that kayn has to play smart with his E early game and properly pick his smartest and strongest lanes, I feel he is not rlly that bad, also he has no passive early game so he's free food if he gets caught 1v1 in the JG.

dmastervids

Khazix has good design but they nerfed him so hard that picking him is kinda troll and if he's picked he becomes a support that slows champs.

juan camilo diaz

I'm curious, if u put yone on this list, u should allow rek'sai as well for the playstyle of get one target and Burt's it down. Also she's building almost full lethality too