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louis tournas

5y↑6

+JPG:
Good. You have built a filter to block out garbage from entering your mind.

This is what I wrote as a reply to someone else:
I recommend developing a filter.
The scientific domain has its own filter. They don't just let anything through the door and into the books. New research has to go through peer review. Anyone should be able to access the research at anytime: today, tomorrow, in 1000 y. Frauds are eventually detected and filtered out. There are no authority figures in science. We don't care if the information comes from Edward Teller or Stephen Hawking.

If you DON'T develop a filter for your mind, then any MIND VIRUS can pass through by using the key "faith" and "fear". They will utilize your emotions to their advantage and start asking for money.

~~~~atheism: we will shove logic into your brains.

Sithis

6y↑49

NY Times Aug. 14, 2018

Bishops and other leaders of the Roman Catholic Church in Pennsylvania covered up child sexual abuse by more than 300 priests over a period of 70 years, persuading victims not to report the abuse and law enforcement not to investigate it, according to a searing report issued by a grand jury on Tuesday.

The report, which covered six of the state’s eight Catholic dioceses and found more than 1,000 identifiable victims, is the broadest examination yet by a government agency in the United States of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church. The report said there are likely thousands more victims whose records were lost or who were too afraid to come forward.

It catalogs horrific instances of abuse: a priest who raped a young girl in the hospital after she had her tonsils out; a victim tied up and whipped with leather straps by a priest; and another priest who was allowed to stay in ministry after impregnating a young girl and arranging for her to have an abortion.

The sexual abuse scandal has shaken the Catholic Church for more than 15 years, ever since explosive allegations emerged out of Boston in 2002. But even after paying billions of dollars in settlements and adding new prevention programs, the church has been dogged by a scandal that is now reaching its highest ranks. The Pennsylvania report comes soon after the resignation of Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick, the former archbishop of Washington, who is accused of sexually abusing young priests and seminarians, as well as minors.

“Despite some institutional reform, individual leaders of the church have largely escaped public accountability,” the grand jury wrote. “Priests were raping little boys and girls, and the men of God who were responsible for them not only did nothing; they hid it all. For decades.”

The report is unlikely to lead to new criminal charges or civil lawsuits under the current law because the statute of limitations has expired. Only two of the cases in the report so far have led to criminal charges. End of article.

While religious people roleplay about magic, superstition and invisible Jewish zombie overlords, their churches keep molesting children and accumulating material wealth.

If you are a xtian, you are responsible for supporting your parasitic priests and your evil church. Civil society isn't pleased to see you. You superstitions are not needed and your invisible friends are false and ridiculous. You are obtuse, arrogant, ignorant and should be ashamed to be a facilitator for those who hurt children.

Religion is disgusting and dangerous. STOP NOW.

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Swole Jeezy

5y↑686

This guy is criminally underrated. He's got more class than any other atheist channel I've seen and twice the quality. Subscribing ASAP

ac1d_k1tty

Genetically Modified Skeptic is a good one too. He does a lot of historical and spologist content.

Mr. House

2y↑1

@Clockwork Mind very based of you. I was reading his increasingly obstinate responses and you asked him exactly what I would. GMS is a great yt channel.

lemsip

Because it's about self help and dealing with narcissists as well. I've watched videos on other channels about dealing with narcissists and often the speaker rambles on about themselves or one particular case and it gets boring. Or they push survival or living off grid such as Grannon does. The graphics help as well. When I just listen I don't get the benefits as much as do than when watching as well.

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SimonGuitar

6y↑1K

"You know there's something wrong when a group that claims divinity can't even demonstrate humanity"

Video rating - Fucking good. Emotional state - Heartbroken.

Sir

@The Truth Channel ope using the lords name in vain. The ironyyyyyyyyyyyy

The Truth Channel

@Thedudeamongmen Gs Bless your heart

Thedudeamongmen Gs

@The Truth Channel I'm almost certain you're joking but to be honest I don't think I've met the limits of how dumb people can be so I can't say for sure

The Truth Channel

@Thedudeamongmen Gs "You can't even consider that you might not be as intelligent as you think you are" you're IGNORING the other possibility that I am every bit as INTELLIGENT as I 'THINK' I AM and you're the ONE who is INTELLECTUALLY DEFICIENT.

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Marconius

5y↑1.3K

"And only male same-sex couples were forbidden"

Oooooof course...

Thedudeamongmen Gs

2y↑2

@john delong nothing makes it superior other than the fact that I believe it's superior. Like I said, irrelevant to the question. The fact is, I believe what I believe is right and I can work to convince others what I believe is right. Ultimately, it is subjective. Why does it matter that they change? Of course human rights aren't set in stone except by humans that set them. Why does that matter? What I believe is right has come from contemplation and consideration. I've spent a lot of time thinking about my morals and what I believe is right and I continue to adjust as time goes on. Through that process of continually improving and adjusting, I believe that what I believe is as good as I can get in this moment. In the end, its a reality that morals are subjective. We cant change that. The best we can do is to just do what we believe is the best to do. My personal morals and values are irrelevant to this though. I'd like to know about your morals. What do you think about him having sexual relations with his daughter? This is also somewhat irrelevant but I'm curious to know what you have to say

john delong

@Thedudeamongmen Gs If your morality is based on subjective human emotions,what makes you think your morality is superior to the person you feel entitled to judge? Moral standards vary from one place or culture to another and over time they change.Human " rights" are not "written in stone".And even if they were, would that effect your precious opinion?

Thedudeamongmen Gs

@john delong sidenote, I don't know where you got a detailed outline of appropriate morals from what I said. There are only like 2 sentences that could even be misunderstood as moral statements

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DarthxErik

4y↑169

My family acted as a miniature cult, homeschooling me and allowing me to socialise for the most part exclusively in evangelical church settings. When I was 23 years old, they tried to convince me that the world as-we-know-it was going to end in October 2015. I was mortified by their view of the world and began questioning why they didn't believe God would take care of us, and why I had to participate in their end-of-the-world prepping, which would seclude my family further and further from the world. They began to scapegoat me and emotionally shun me. I had neither a car nor a life outside of my family and church (I even worked at the church), but eventually was able to get a car and stand my ground re: the prepping, and did not help them. The intense scapegoating stopped when the end-of-the-world date came and went and they pretended as if nothing had ever happened and expected me to allow them to sweep everything under the rug. There are many reasons why my narcissistic mother and enabling father decided to use isolationist and controlling methods to keep her children from ever individuating or leaving home, and I have broken away and am creating my own life at age 27... but it still stings. Why do people behave like this and eat their own young?

Hoe bag

Not a psych or therapist or w/e, obviously...(im not smart enough XD) I would say that this prep was genuine belief that was fuelled by not understanding certain information given to them. However their treatment of you boils down somehwat cleanly into 1) "Confusing peace with quiet". They wanted you to keep shut because facing the fact that they were possibly wrong was too much to handle, because they then could be wrong about plenty of other things. And 2) "Im right, youre wrong, im big, youre little! and thats never gonna change!" (Matilda). You had less experience and that was their reason to blame your altered worldview (or unaltered as the case may be). They wanted you to be a 'dumb kid'. Btw, how are they now that they were proven wrong?

Angelika Brown

2y↑3

sounds exactly like my situation but with Pentecostal Christian

eurosonly

3y↑6

Mental health issues. Delusional ideas of world's ending. My parents have that as well. Constantly fearing about how the world is going to end soon and only looking at things that confirm that view such as the recent fires in california and covid spread. They'd hear all of this stuff on the news and go see, we are getting closer towards god's return days. While completing ignoring the fact that shit like this has been around for thousands of years and yet we are still here. Some days are bad while others are good. These two conditions are constantly present. The economy collapses yet there are people out there who are in the process of buying a brand new house and car. Some people just can't see that reality and only focus on one process that confirms their religious biases.

Danny ConeHead Once-Ler

3y↑1

Did you have any soccer parents? Maybe a Soccer mom ...

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Diana Cryder

6y↑495

I'm sorry. I can't do this. It just hurts too much. Maybe later. Don't stop. Keep trying. Do what you can do.

ac1d_k1tty

seamr05

4y↑5

❤️

Deedless Deity

5y↑12

It took me almost two hours to get through this…

Dawn Ross

6y↑15

Hugs.

Evol Bob

6y↑28

The Church got away with a lot, because no one wanted to believe a priest - a man of God - would, I mean Could abuse children in their care.
And then there is the cover up which for awhile worked.

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The Pale Emperor

6y↑721

As a former Jehovah's Witness of 31 years who's had his family ripped from him, I want to thank you. I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for your work sir!

Bella Bong

The Pale Emperor: A fellow ex JW here too. So happy you escaped! I'm so sorry you lost your family. Here's a big hug.

Melon

31 years too long mate. Seriously

Danny ConeHead Once-Ler

3y↑4

He's just doing his job
Unlike any God he's a REAL Hero

grovetender

5y↑12

Great job on getting out!
Best of luck to you.

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Lloyd Evans

6y↑801

Simply wonderful. Your observations were, as always, ruthlessly accurate. Thank you for shining a bright light on this important issue!

tarstarkusz

@Arkytekt What are you talking about?

Arkytekt

@tarstarkusz Plain to see that sometimes people don’t grow up.

tarstarkusz

3y↑1

@Stephan Klein When the nose is big and the hat is small, you know you're dealing with "Klein"

Stephan Klein

3y↑1

@tarstarkusz If this is your response to a mildly humorous remark - essentially a game with words - two years after the original posting, then something seems to be NOK with you. This is neither appropriate nor normal. Please seek assistance. Genuinely: Best wishes.

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Aybee

6y↑740

"People in glass watchtowers shouldn't throw stones."
Incredible.

Mr Crompsky

3y↑1

That’s right, people might fire lasers back at them

Peter Brooks

3y↑4

Yes that cult aka w/t very reserved throwing stones now Internet has been a game changer it's provided rocks to throw back

Danny ConeHead Once-Ler

@Nesbo Done !

Nesbo

3y↑1

@Aybee Thank you!

Aybee

3y↑3

@Nesbo signed, thank you for getting the word out!

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Hurdy Gurdy

6y↑415

Thank you all for this accurate portrayal of the JW culture. Having escaped after over 50 plus years I recognise more day by day what a corrupt misguided and deceptive organisation it really is, despite the painful fact of still having many family members trapped inside their 'walls'. Thank you, this work is so useful for any who are starting to question the policies of this cult.

Russian Roulette

I left it but Im a teen so my mom still makes me stay during prayer and down puts my beliefs as an Atheist she thinks the world is gonna end soon or something its weird and annoying

Ash

Or has that blow been dealt and we’re just vultures picking a twitchy corpse?

Ash

Hurdy Gurdy wouldn’t an elder leader leaving and criticizing be a critical blow, regardless of dismissal?

Hurdy Gurdy

6y↑2

@chocobonita For sure there is shame involved particularly when one is disfellowshiped and outed in public to the congregation that you are an unrepentant sinner. It's a particularly powerful tool to use on younger ones who will loose close friends and family , right through to older ones too who have built up a long period of 'faithful service'.

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Golden Slime Kids

5y↑243

I was a jehovahs witness from age 11 to 15. I left(slowly faded away) on grounds that I felt smothered and my time and energy was becoming more and more dominated by them. In 2010 i did a google research on them and that was the beginning of my path to becoming atheist(I studied many religions as well, but took 4 years). You are the best at examining topics!!!! You put such care, effort, and consideration into it. On top of that, you treat us with animation! Thermin Trees I am so thankful to have found your channel. I have been watching over a year now. I have shared multiple videos of yours. You are a MAJOR positive effect on so many lives even if you are not able to see it everyday. #powerful

Rafael Rubio

@Epic is it relevant?

NIOIN

4y↑2

@Epic They might be talking about agnostic atheism.

Canvas_1

3y↑7

Storytime: A 9 year old was abused in my church by her stepfather. It was the secular aunt that called the cops because the mom said it was the devil using her daughter as a temptation for her husband. I’m serious. Edit: I’m no longer a religious person.

LunatheMoonDragon

4y↑62

the worst part is that any religious people watching this will say "phew, i'm glad my religion doesn't do that! Mine is the good one!"

kirtil5

3y↑12

@Tom Miller be careful tho to not get into tribal mentality. Its not just athiests vs theists or whatever other combination of groups. if kids where given the choice to learn about other religions, choose what they support, and let them ask questions, the vast majority, in my opinion, would not be supporting their religion the way most people do now. sorry this would be a more relevant comment if i noticed earlier that you said atheists, instead of theists, that make others look bad. i always though theists condemn atheists (atleast those that are fanatic about their religion) is because of the fact itself that they are atheist

Tom Miller

3y↑1

Yes, and orthodox atheists act just the same, "Whew, I'm glad my politics, "ethics" and $cicne are like that" while they are. I do love many atheists because they are good caring people who seek and see all the similarities throughout the whole mess. I guess it's just that 95% of atheists make all the rest look bad.

JPG

6y↑172

I've been in a crisis of belief this year. I almost reimbraced religion and god.

Thank you TT. Your videos helped get away from those thoughts. They reminded me of the problems I have with religion.

And they allowed me to systematize my own thoughts on religon and thereby improve my own arguments and increase my repertoire with arguments you provide.

louis tournas

5y↑6

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Drogo Baggins

6y↑205

Had to listen to the whole thing twice. My family was just like this only on an individual family level. On almost every point I can remember a time when one of my parents or siblings did that or something very similar. We lived isolated in rural Missouri. We were taught that the outside authorities were not God's authorities and we thought that at any point the police might come in like Nazis and split us up because we were following God. I didn't find out until I was an adult that my three sisters had been molested and that my mother knew everything and covered it up. Anything that my parents couldn't dominate was forced out of their little hoarding world.

Looking back I believe that my parents were loosely associated with other child abusers. I remember them being vehemently opposed to more organized religions such as JW's and Catholics saying that they were 100% satanic. Now it looks suspiciously like they had some knowledge of what went on inside those organizations and didn't want to be associated with them in order to avoid suspicion of their own activities, can't prove it but it makes a lot of pieces fit. I believe that there are a lot of groups like my family that are almost impossible to infiltrate due to small size and paranoia of the outside world but who are connected through unseen networks. The FBI can't do anything with the old information I have and won't even take a report from me. If I had the money for private investigators I bet that I could turn up some recent child abuse without much trouble.

Riolupai

I'd highly recommend doing some research, also there's stuff like Interpol or simply telling the police if you haven't tried already, also try looking up ways to report child abuse and stuff, also I feel as if I remember a way to report it online that had something to do with a usa govt website but I don't remember it

Riolupai

I wish you well

Drogo Baggins

@Otra Chica de Internet I've thought about all sorts of things. I've had enough experience with reporters to know that there are few ways that talking to them can be beneficial and many ways it can be detrimental and there's no way to control what happens.

Otra Chica de Internet

@Drogo Baggins Have you thought about telling a journalist?

Otra Chica de Internet

3y↑1

@Zoey Zi that is so disgusting. I hope the children are okay. You should try contacting a local journalist

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Nate

6y↑84

Another fantastic video. I'm an ExJW and used to be an elder. Everything you said about the JW organization was extremely accurate and true. Thank you for shining this honest light on such a cruel organization. Also, 'preserving the flaws in the formaldehyde of faith'... That is a line I will not forget!
I love your work as a whole, but this struck home particularly hard.
Cheers from Canada

Steven Hayes

4y↑250

“Have you heard the word of jehovah?” “Didn’t you guys die in 1975?”

John. D. Rockefeller

3y↑1

@spunawheelforthis One-hundred sixty nine.

Mikhail The Greatest Dragon

3y↑2

Underrated lol

spunawheelforthis

3y↑5

Sadly there is 69 likes

John Gum

6y↑169

You had me in tears with this brilliant and extremely powerful video. You absolutely nailed it! I will be forever grateful for your work as it helped me to realise the absurdity and cruelty of JW and biblical beliefs.

The Truth Channel

5y↑1

"of JW and biblical beliefs."

WELL, AT LEAST YOU UNDERSTOOD THIS WAS ALL ABOUT BAIT and SWITCH even THOUGH IT PROBABLY NEVER REGISTERED that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE NOT A BIBLE BASED FAITH in the FIRST PLACE

Hans Peter

6y↑5

haha nailed

Ryan Daly

5y↑53

When I first discovered TheraminTrees, I couldn't believe he'd been around for so long and hadn't taken off with a following into the stratosphere. These videos are some of the best constructed and most beautifully articulated that I've ever seen on YouTube. Thank you, TheraminTrees.

If you see and enjoy his work, please do say something about it somewhere. It's easy for someone like me, a lifelong atheist who wasn't forced into a religion and made the choice on his own, to reach a state of disconnectedness after decades of experiencing first- or second-hand the grotesque things religious belief can cause people to do to one another. But we need to actually say something. Because mass dynamics is behind us (for those of you familiar with reaction kinetics or population dynamics). The spread of information by "ear" on the internet is exponential. Say something if you see the immense value his videos have.

Felicity Chevalier

As an add, I think there's something less one can do if you know you can't just make people watch these videos, because they are often a bit long and involved, you can just say one sentence that I truly believe is universal:

"People who don't want you to think are never your friends."

Thank you for putting something so complex into such a simple quote, TT.

JOLULIPA: Reason&Science

6y↑112

Excellence among excellence. Is a privilege and honor to have you in youtube disseminating knowledge and reason. Thank You!

JOLULIPA: Reason&Science

6y↑5

All is well. TY. Say Hi to Q from the Caribbean.
Showed your video to a dear friend who is JW and was an elder. He didn't deny anything but said your books have been deprecated and new books and policy have been implemented. I did not press the matter further since he is a dear friend, but I think he is deluded in his believe.

TheraminTrees

6y↑19

You're very kind J. I hope you're well.

mike spilligan

6y↑33

I'm being shunned by a jovo mother sister and nephew who I brought up. I watched your video and yesterday, after 3 years of absolutely no contact whatsoever , I reached out I received the message don't call again. Heart breaking but least I tried.

Riya

I am so sorry, I hope you are better these days, you aren't at fault at all and I respect you for your strength

Oriole Aszme

5y↑5

I have found that war refugee's need a new extended family as much as I do. Not many people have room in their lives for taking on new people to create new family networks and support because they are too busy with their own families. Also other's who have been shunned might be willing and able to build new structures of support that are similar to family. I find friendships are so earnt and each step is so full of reciprocity and family-like relationships are a bit more excepting of the bad with the good and loving you anyway. All the best. The emotional pain of shunning is intense and the life consequences of having only yourself to turn to (or friends that you have to owe if you ask for a favour) can make life less secure if life hits you with something big. <3

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Silver77cyn

3y↑27

This was the video that woke me up from the JW mind control.

Thank you.

Phil Webb

6y↑136

Thank you for directing some attention to this problem.

Phil Webb

6y↑9

TheraminTrees Also a point I’ve wanted to make to a Jw that relies on “the two witness rule” is if they would also play that card IF their child was abused by a next door neighbor that wasn’t a Jw. What if it was the local pastor that abused their child. Would they use that rule in this case? I think asking this question to a Jw would allow them to see that it’s the perceived clean image they are trying to protect as the cost of their child’s sanity.
Also shouldn’t the Jws apologize for condemning the Catholics publicly in their publications since the majority of cases would also not have had two witnesses?

Phil Webb

6y↑12

TheraminTrees Can’t wait to see it. Hard to deny their own members, on video, saying what they say.
Love the “Bending Truth” video. Breaks it down for all to see. Keep up the good work!!

TheraminTrees

6y↑45

It's pretty sickening to see what's going on, isn't it. I'll be doing something dedicated to the Australian Royal Commission too. There's so much that needs to be exposed.

Snake Man448

6y↑136

That was tough to listen to, hearing about people being as grotesque as possible.

SunflowerCherries

4y↑13

When I told my aunts and mom about my grandfather trying to rape me they sided with him. It was easier for them to hate me for bringing it up, than to expel him from the family.

Riolupai

@Eddie X did you tell your parents and the authorities now? if not, well depends on the type of parents you have but most of the time you should be able to tell them, but you should always tell the authorities

Eddie X

I already knew that I couldn't talk about sexual abuse with my parents or any authorities, so I just dealt with it.

Sandy Ellis

3y↑25

Thanks, fabulous work. I was in the COG for 15 years, and was a whistleblower after leaving. You're totally correct in what you're saying. Again, thanks.

TheraminTrees

3y↑14

Thank you for sharing that confirmation Sandy. I'm glad you made it out. I know whistleblowers — especially in cases of such extreme abuse — often have the roughest time of all. The abusive group doesn't want to hear — and outsiders don't want to know. I hope you were listened to. Peace.

BorderWise

4y↑15

The fact that so much abuse can be kept hidden for the most hypocritical, self-serving reasons makes my blood boil.
But the fact that someone in the world took the time and effort to make a video exposing these hypocritical, self-righteous predators gives me some hope again for the future.
Please never stop your good work, Theremin Trees. 👍

No Body

6y↑29

Another great and well researched and presented video. It makes me sick that i have family members who are still active JWs and inactive JWs who protect this disgusting group.

Sparkbomber

5y↑14

Can't reiterate enough how good these videos are. But so depressing that there is so much misery and evil in the world.

TailStraw xD

3y↑5

This is difficult to watch. I can't imagine how hard it was for the victims to live through.

Kimberly ODonnell

6y↑11

Thank you. As a victim of abuse that was covered up, I appreciate all the time and research you put into this.

TheraminTrees

6y↑7

I'm sad to hear you weren't looked after. I hope more abuse cover ups will be given substantial media exposure and wake people up to the true nature of these groups.

Sarah B

5y↑62

"In groups that claim timeless divine authority, flaws are preserved in the formaldehyde of faith. " Hot damn... Hot damn that is the truth...

Dom Foxley

6y↑32

Had to watch this in two halves with a long break in between, due to how upsetting and infuriating the subject matter is. Thank you for making this video. The more this deep-seated aspect of human behavior is called out and exposed, the greater chance we have of minimizing its power over innocent lives. After finally confronting my own abuse recently (and realizing how my abuser was protected and enabled by the Catholic Church where I was born) I'm realizing how important it is to engage with abuse and fight it. It's unfortunate it takes many years to fully understand the consequences of concealing your own abuse as a victim, but better late than never.

DutchJoan

6y↑30

So thorough, accurate, brutally honest and heartbreaking, and yet so visually appealing and pleasant to listen to.

I can't escape the thought that there isn't any one (organized) religion where children are safe. The battering of their minds and identities is evident in each and every one, the imprinted fear of an invisible agent, the obligatory attendance, the corporal punishments.

Vi Sarathiel

6y↑60

This hits too close to home. Thank you so much.

MelpyMelperson

5y↑18

It also turns people into push overs, because they can't defend themselves when someone actually wrongs them. I've seen this happen to loved ones and it makes me cringe.

T. M.

3y↑3

Unfortunately I could not finish the video. The description of the cult was sick and I cannot imagine anyone living that kind of life. But TheraminTrees is such a great channel.

Ryan Frick

4y↑22

"She told elders unless they did something sheld call the police"
"in the following police investigation"
It's funny that he just skips over the fact that they did nothing cause its just that obvious they didn't.

Tony McModeNut

6y↑28

Fantastic as usual. The "formaldehyde of faith" line was brilliant.

James Young

5y↑12

It's obvious that a lot of research went into this video. Thank you for a very informative report on the subject.

The Stig

6y↑13

If I ever become famous, I will shout the name of your channel from the rooftops of the Internet, good sir. Every human being on the planet needs to hear this information. My mother is very religious, never to the extent where she would have covered up child abuse, but enough that she will rationalize immorality in the Bible (slavery, rampant death penalties) with such ease that it's almost shocking to hear. She never addresses my concerns, but instead tells me that I'm rebellious, that I'm too young to understand everything, that I'm arrogant, I just want to sin, that I'll understand once I have a child or experience terrible tragedy. Endless diversions. I asked her to check out your channel, but I'm sure she never will.

I've also gone to the websites of the organizations you mention in this video and read through their 'history' pages. It is almost more than I can take to see how they have sanitized their own histories. Not a single mention of the hideous things they have done (all while supposedly getting perfect information from a perfect God), and the way TFI talks about David Berg you would never suspect he did anything other than love Jesus and preach the Bible. Makes me sick, literally sick. Humanity has so far to go still... but maybe we're finally dragging ourselves out of the pit. Can't lose hope, no matter what happens.

Susan Gaskin

6y↑26

What an excellent video! Thank you so much for putting this together.

TheraminTrees

6y↑4

Cheers Susan

Mallow

4y↑7

Thank you so much for making these videos! Growing up a JW really messed with my thought processes and these really help me understand and explain why things like this are so wrong. And reinforce why I left and will never look back

Elevator Eleven

5y↑50

Just out of curiosity, do you know of any large Christian groups that AREN'T covering up widespread child molestation?

Jadon O'Neal

2y↑1

ummm uhhh.... ummm..... well..... uhh....ehhh.... ummmm...... hmmm.....

Bepis Shmepis

3y↑1

@Reinhard von Lohengramm I think that's too broad of a statement, in my opinion. You can't just say everywhere is rife with child abuse, that's too simple an answer to too complex a question.

Danny ConeHead Once-Ler

3y↑1

@Reinhard von Lohengramm exactly

Danny ConeHead Once-Ler

3y↑1

@secular value true

Danny ConeHead Once-Ler

3y↑1

@Nyu - Chan true
I thought that it was made by wives in order to control men

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mythousandfaces

6y↑47

Always top tier content from one of the veterans of Old Youtube

Owe Lov

6y↑13

Then I watched this video I could feel my pulse rising. I have known basically all that was mentioned from other websites newsmedia and YouTube Videos. But never have I seen so well demonstrated how systematic all the manipulation works in the watchtower society. Thank you so much for your excellent research on this topic.

Miriam Cooper

3y↑5

I reported my abuse and got SHUNNED.

Scotty

3y↑8

Very well made video sir. I was born into the JW's. I was able to escape it but my brother is still fully in. It's sad. Thank you for your amazing video.

amptaxman

3y↑4

Thank you for speaking in a calm, reasonable tone. I usually can’t listen to other people’s accounts of sexual abuse, because of my own. I feel enraged, and violated all over again, even decades later, I feel the shame and powerless weakness.
Your content is a balm, and I’ve gained some insight from your videos, and that’s led me back to counseling with my support group at the VA.
I don’t know why I thought it would be so hard to go back, but they welcomed me like a brother.
Again: Thank you.

TheraminTrees

3y↑3

I'm glad the content has helped. Great that you've got a good support group there.

Ian of the Pale Skin

3y↑3

32:52 I love how you gloss over the fact that they didn't do anything, prompting the police investigation. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion.

No Chill Will

6y↑21

These actions by those who claim to be "the voice of god" angers me to no end.
Anyone who still protects these foul and wicked institution are no better than the S.O.B.s who do this. Beware who you stand with!

Onazzz808

6y↑10

That was THE BEST video portraying and hitting home the message of how sick the JW cult is.

Łukasz Wybrańczyk

6y↑380

God, this is really heavy stuff...

willcreep

3y↑1

@The Truth Channel i however have 1 question for you, this is not a trick, this is not a trap, and there is no wrong awnser.

considerieng a situation where you can't be both, would you prefer to be happy, or factually correct

willcreep

3y↑1

@The Truth Channel "prove science"
nobody will ever give you their time for a cause this lost my man

The Truth Channel

@willcreep This is what happens when you don't change your diaper before lunch

willcreep

3y↑1

@The Truth Channel oh my fucking god (or not) i should have known it's possible but this is some seriously broken mental faculty i and everyone can see you will be oblivious to the concept of rationality for the rest of your damn life

everyone talks to you for laughs for a good reason i am most foolish to not do it like them

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lloydgush

6y↑306

This is very insightful, but god, it's dark.... I need some cat videos now...

Phoenix the II

3y↑2

Cats (doggies too), are the true love.

Danny ConeHead Once-Ler

I recommend ChipFlake, Planet Dolan and Katzun
Maybe that Christmas Cat music video

Mantafirefly

3y↑1

@Stepex [GD] It just means you're human

Janeen L. Feeine

…and include a #Zamboni

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Bill Borden

6y↑9

WOW! This is one of the best videos about JW / ORG I've ever seen. It's right on the money and spoken in a loving way. If a JW can watch this and still defend their faith, they don't have God, humanity, or a functioning brain.

Bill Borden

6y↑2

+TheraminTrees. Thank-you for the time and thought you put into this presentation. God Bless.

TheraminTrees

6y↑10

My strong impression is that the organisation is filled with many decent, well-intentioned human beings who've had their humanity crushed down to a fraction of its natural size, and had the resulting vacuum filled with horrible dehumanising scripts by an extremely corrupt leadership. I think unfortunately the pain and depression many of these people experience as a consequence of this suppression of their humanity becomes gradually normalised, so that they no longer question it. But it's a joy to see the transformation that often takes place when people exit this oppressive high-control group, and their humanity re-inflates to its natural size — bringing back an individual who exudes love and kindness — the latter of which is, for me, one of the most conspicuous things to go in malignant environments.

BALCACER

6y↑26

Hats off !! Not five or ten stars, it's a 100 stars merit. Best video of August

Zaprozhan

5y↑15

As Calvin said, "It's hard to be religious when certain people aren't struck by lightning." David Berg, I'm looking at you.

NemoUtopian

6y↑25

A wonderful video as always!

TheraminTrees

6y↑4

Cheers Nemo!

Master Spade

4y↑5

"You know there's something wrong when a group that claims divinity can't even demonstrate Humanity." -- this is SO TRUE!!!!!
is this quote from you TheraminTrees?

Brasil66

6y↑18

In a case recently brought to trial, these types of practices have been shown to extend to infantilized adults as well. The Mormon (LDS) church has been brought to trial related to an accusation of rape circa 1985 in their Provo Missionary training center committed by an individual called Joseph Bishop, (ironic surname) who was the president of the Missionary Training Center at the time. He admitted to wrongdoing (conveniently forgetting details and remembering a lesser series of wrongdoings) on tape in an interview with the accuser, who was posing as a reporter doing a story on the church. The church's response and inaction against the accused, as well as attempts to smear the accuser have been telling. The Mormon church has also threatened Sam Young (thanks for pointing out my error!) with excommunication for attempting to bring to light the problems of the church's practice of priesthood interviews with children behind closed doors in order to determine the child's sexual purity.

Tanisha Martin

6y↑1

Sam *Young, but yes, thank you for pointing this out!

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dxstroya

4y↑5

all i can say is thank you for this and every other video you've made. thank you. your videos hit home.

Christina Babin

3y↑6

I grew up in the children of god. Thank uou for doing such an indepth look into it. Everything about the sexual abuse is true however the physical abuse was even worse. They sent us to camps fir re-education .....

Stefano Capparelli

4y↑8

I'm at 16:29 and already enauseated from this accounts. That might be the single most perverted misdeed of all, Murder is barbaric but this level of psychological manipulation and sex abuse of CHILDREN, I see as worse for it lasts longer and can never be completely overturnned.

Derek Tober

6y↑12

Thank you for using so much time detailing the situatuon faced by a large number of current and former Jehovah's Witnesses! I know you've briefly alluded to the organisation in earlier videos, and I often wondered if you had much more to say about my former Cult Of Birth.
I and most of your current followers are most certainly deeply interested in the subjects that you report on. But I'm curious if you also take any action to promote your channel or the information and references you've compiled to (the unfortunately large majority of) people and organisations who seem content to insulate religious groups from any kind of scrutiny. ...

"You know there's something wrong when a group that claims divinity can't even demonstrate humanity."
I might use a derivation of that in future discussions if you don't mind.

Retro Hipster

5y↑4

listening to this was absolutely gut-wrenching. I have a newfound respect for why my friend in high school that sort of disappeared on me and so frequently seem to be struggling with meeting me at all ended up Vanishing from the school. listening to this really made me worry and wonder where they are now and if they have ever escaped.

Awsome Ninja

2y↑3

This man could read the dictionary then the phone book to me and I would be invested because you have a amazing voice

Kylie Chen

5y↑11

I have no problem talking to JW or other religious people who try to convert me. Unfortunately they get so offended by my straight talking that they avoided me altogether after only one encounter. Few months ago, a Christian pastor could not last a 45 minutes talk with me. He find excuses to get away. I love talking to these people but they do not like talking to me.

Sky Jack

@The Truth Channel
Kylie isn’t a window seller.

YY4Me133

5y↑2

@The Truth Channel
"Shudders," not "shutters."

The Truth Channel

"Few months ago, a Christian pastor could not last a 45 minutes talk with me."

OH, WOW. YOU MUST BE SO INTIMIDATING.I CANT IMAGINE the SHUTTERS YOU GIVE

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Yellowishnesses

4y↑3

I was raised as a JW on and off throughout my childhood. When I was in my teens, I was told that being a witness would get me a girlfriend. I remember the members advertising (to me) that the girls in the organization were great because they were perfect, kindhearted and submissive. Way to kill my interest, dimwits. As for getting a girlfriend, uh, I still have my Magic the Gathering cards that they told me to get rid of!

jesus godinez

2y↑1

I’ve watched you for years and You’ve been a large part of my personal recovery. I wish you we’ll and I thank you for putting this information out there.

Sithis

6y↑49

louis tournas

5y↑11

+Sithis The Void:
There was one case where a priest was looking for a hitman to kill off someone. I forgot the details as to why but the hitman he contacted was an undercover cop.

I can understand that there is no "You should not abuse children, You should not have sex with underage kids" in the Bible, but the bible does state "You shall not kill". Did he skip over that one?

RichardJLC

5y↑5

“...flaws are preserved in the formaldehyde of faith.” Excellent line. I shall use that one if/when I find myself in this conversation with my family member believers.

Ma vie, c'est la musique et autres choses

4y↑6

@44:16 "You know there's something wrong when a group that claims divinity can't even demonstrate humanity."

Hear ye, hear ye!

That hit me deep right there. No benevolent group conceals abuse.

David Moran

5y↑4

I've been watching as many of your videos as I can and every one of them is great, but this one was especially good to me because my aunt is one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I feel really bad for her the more I learn about the organization, it's just plain despicable! Another great job TT!

Hueghh

3y↑2

Every time I watch this, the descriptions are positively hellish.

Well done, quite simply for making it through the script with a straight voice. I wouldn't be able to.

PicklesChimp

6y↑5

Another fantastic video – well-researched, -argued and -animated, and provoking a lot of thought and outrage at disgraceful systemic behaviour. So... well done! :-)

Melissa Mauk

6y↑60

Yaaaas! I've been waiting so long for another video. I love this channel so much!

WHOA DER MATE! spoodlefunk

6y↑24

Always happy to see TheraminTrees! :)

Sarah EXJDUB

6y↑6

Wow! Great video, hours of research must have gone into this, clear explanations of the idiocy of the JW policies, have now subscribed

Grant Davis

6y↑8

You and your brother provide such intelligent and visually brilliant videos and, as this video demonstrates, insightful analysis. Well done!

MegaChickenfish

5y↑23

That whole Children of God cult should be a warning to anyone stupid enough to exalt "faith" as a virtue. These people had utmost faith. In their church leaders, and in their god. They were told not to question, so they didn't. Atrocities so horrible I can barely stand to keep listening ensued.

To quote a great philosopher of our time, "if someone's trying to touch you in a place that makes you uncomfortable, that's no good! First, you say no! Then you get outta there!" -S. The H.

Akira Nicole

5y↑1

I agree with everything you said! (Also, I see that you have watched the Adventures of Sonic and Tails. I have too and I love them.) Nice Sonic Says reference! :)

mermaid-sushi

4y↑1

Thank you for these videos, they're really eye opening and help to explain experiences that people have felt but might have difficulty talking about.

Shadowdante110

3y↑1

Wow, i grew up in a mormon family. Hearing about all of these other religions brings back a lot of memories. Especially of stories that i heard from other mormon children.

Purple Jay

3y↑2

As a former Jehovah's Witness I thank you for enlightening the gullible. Ah yes misdirection! Oh and yes within the "Watchtower" the elders boys club is paramount and not without concession.

klutterkicker

6y↑16

Also, love those little touches. David Berg appears to be standing on an iceberg (lol), the JWs are standing in darkness, and the Pope is standing on an island of gold.

Anoetic OddZero

6y↑18

The human animal has had issues with things like human trafficking/ slavery and abuse sadly. Though some would be apologist or find it part of their culture. Also there are odd laws such as forced child marriage being legal , but then having sex with children and human trafficking illegal in the US many places. These things are issues world wide ignored however, and many conspiracy nuts are a problem. Sad thing really that such cults and abuse is something ignored.

Bepis Shmepis

3y↑1

I very much appreciate your seeming love of humanity. There is such a stupendous amount of misanthropy in the world, and honestly I find it tiring and obnoxious. People aren't bad, only certain bad actors that would seek to deceive and exploit those that are good.

The Flaming Piano

5y↑6

I'm getting addicted to this channel. Thanks for being our voice!

2pie

holy frick really unexpected to see you here, hello fellow classical music fan

Rachel Exjw

6y↑4

Brilliant video! Thank you so much for being so thorough, and insightful, in your discussion of JWS. I hope that many of your thousands of subscribers take the time to watch it.

Bendegúz Süli

5y↑5

I just wish you're videos would reach more people

TrueReport 3.0

5y↑9

Wow what a wonderful service.... you're providing...I'm trying to translate all of your videos in Italian.....My compliments and thank you....

TumbleweedMK4

5y↑6

This is sad and disgusting. More people need to know that these things go on... it's unthinkable

womanofthenang

6y↑11

Excellent presentation. Thank you.

TheraminTrees

6y↑2

Thank you

google user

6y↑16

its strange how something based in percieved holyness, can turn so obviously unholy.

sofia morgan

5y↑9

Thank you! Cant thumbs up this enough times!

Duck Race

6y↑9

WOW ,WOW ! PERFECT AND 110% ON THE CULTS AND THE ONE I WAS IN WATCHTOWER !

G L

6y↑5

I love your content but you tackle some very difficult subjects. Thank you for what you do.

Marques Eason

6y↑7

Profound, uplifting, beautiful, powerful, graceful, brilliant, remarkable level of insight. Thank you for sharing.

Matt

when you started describing manipulative groups at 1:57, I felt chills. My church filled in most of those boxes. I wasn't a JW so it wasn't as severe, but it was still really bad.

cultus_amuse000

3y↑2

your channel blew my mind. this might sound dramatic but thank you for saving me.

Sknabc

6y↑3

Man I love your videos so much. Thanks so much for putting all this together. I'm sure this method of video production doesn't result in very much pay, but it means a lot to me and many others.

Pennpenn

5y↑5

It's almost funny that these groups worry so much about their god's name or their organisation's name through the mud, given that they're so damn vile they would taint the mud.

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