Civilized Tears was formed in 2007 and create a lush textured rock music, w… Read Full Bio ↴Civilized Tears was formed in 2007 and create a lush textured rock music, with lyrics like ' open-heart' surgery, melodic hooks and driving rhythms.Tim Bennett is the driving force behind the band. They released two albums on his own label. Civilized Tears has been raising funds with SellaBand towards the band's next album. On November, 2nd 2009 they finally reached their goal of $31,000.

Their new album has been produced by Jeff Thall, Mixed by Steve Hardy (Rockmixer) and will be Mastered by Ted Jensen at Sterling Sound in NYC in April 2010.

Antidote
Civilized Tears Lyrics

We have lyrics for 'Antidote' by these artists:

.calibre (chorus:) the shot - i need the antidote - shot -…
2.17 Woah Yeah It's v2 And I ain't thought right for a long time …
2d Liang & Johnston ft. Di Johnston Baby, I'm fed up tonight I'm gonna tell you about it I've…
AC-130 Wave Your hands in the air Want your hands in the…
Alastis Seeing that you can't expect more from life Seeing that ang…
Amo Amo I spend too much time in calculation I'm living all the…
Angello Don't stop, turn that up, take it higher Take this motherfo…
Angello/Axwell/Ingrosso/Knife Party/Laidback Luke/Milani/Nari/Swedish House Mafia Don't stop, turn that up, take it higher Take this motherfo'…
B.A.R.F. I'm loving this feeling I wish I could describe it It's some…

B.Reith Ohhh She set out to make a change And leave her broken…
BEDROOM - Travis Scott Don't you open up that window Don't you let out that…
BMike Give me the antidote Give me the antidote Give me the antido…
boJ Yea yea yea Yea yea yea yea yea yeah They know who…
Bonepony There's a hole inside my wisdom There's no shine inside my…
Brittany Pfantz Your love is my antidote You suck the poison from my…
Calibre (chorus:) the shot - i need the antidote - shot -…
Candy Flip Boy MATXX Смс – оповещение в телефон (ring-ring), Кенди Флип сразу пок…
Carter James I don't, I don't, I don't know I don't know where…
Cherry 葵 Nightcore I don't know what you're waiting for Gut you in the…
Chiseled Lilies Dancing in the mud Climbing up the walls Running through the…
Chloe Ament Losing touch with who I was before Drifting further from fa…
CHYLD & Mickey Darling Bored without me Lost without me Man I don′t Man I don't kn…
Clive Gregson I hope they never find the antidote for love, Cos if…
Coldworker A painful, drawn-out death You’ll get what’s coming your wa…
congrats I'm picking out the staples Can tell that I'm late I…
D&G At last, the realization I've finally found the antidote to …
D-Block & S-te-Fan I found the antidote in a room of black lights…
D-Block; S-Te-Fan I feel like Herb jump off the curb and we…
D.j. Danver de lauder At last, the realization I've finally found the antidote to …
Danny Pratt I need an antidote It's crawled into my bones And it won't…
Days Like These I would say you put me through hell It was more…
Deform Влетаю в дом я, в дымоход, и все трещу сорокой О…
Derek Hold me like a child again Make me feel okay In a…
Di Johnston Baby I'm fed up tonight I'm gonna tell you about it I've…
Dorinda Clark-Cole I′d be lost with no direct no goal. Almost gave up…
Dúné Baby, where's my antidote? Cause I can't see straight no mor…
Entropy. There are dreams such as this I keep in my pocket Tuck…
Euphonik Non faut pas que tu t'effaces, ne perds pas la…
Faith Marie Finding refuge in my own lies How are you? I'm doing…
FAKY 答えのないこの迷路抜け出したいなら let me know 今すぐにあげる antidote (Oh e oh e o…
Fernando Ribiero/Moonspell Here is to fear For keeping us alert. And here is to…
Fletcher Ooh-ooh Launch me into your sky Remind me I'm alive Let ev…
Fog Lake Chew me out of this hole, dear Ward me off with…
Futuroma I'm not supposed to be here I'm just an antidote of…
Gathering of Strangers Sat by the ocean Messing with my head Volcanic explosion Mes…
Gaz Mawete C′Gaz agara... Bomaye music Eh Bebe voilà mon cœur qui perds…
Gus Dapperton Please don't take me back Though you said that it's okay You…
Hard Rock Sofa/Knife Party/Swanky Tunes/Swedish House Mafia Don't stop, turn that up, take it higher Take this motherfo…
Instupendo Ah Head down, don't meet my eyes Head down, don't meet my…
J-Tech Antidote, My Restorer I know you gon' break the walls, when…
j. pastel GROE A for pray without ceasing Cos may3 broke s3 dry season…
J.I.M Yeah this ones kinda playful you know Mess around you know F…
J.Y.N. Donne-moi l'antidote, babe, donne-moi l'antidote Donne-moi l…
Jack Ellis Wide eyed chaser Heart palpulator Spending all your time Fee…
Jamelia Chorus: If you ever feel like you need, Someone to be your…
jay watts No one, can do it like you, no one Although you…
Jay-Jay Johanson Summer Vacation Forever Raindrops My head pops my head stops…
Jeangu Macrooy Heavy is the heart that can't forget Gathering stones along …
Johan Palm What is this I couldn't see But if I could change things…
Judder Stage fright, class fight Your pride, inside Call me, nice g…
Judo Sammy Turn back time Black and white Thoughts rewind Out my mind M…
Jugraj Sandhu ਹੋ ਨਾਗਣੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਡੰਗਾ ਨੂ ਜੱਟ ਭੰਗੜੇ ਪਾ ਪਾ ਜ਼ਰਦਾ…
Julie Ellinor I hope You know That you’re my antidote But I’m low The bed’…
KANGDANIEL 차가운 적막 속에 갇힌 밤 방을 뒤 덮은 그림자 숨쉴 틈 없이…
Karmen Rockstar Depuis tit-pe j'rêvais trop d'ça Maman l'hiver avai…
Kid Apollo I must look terrified There's evil here at my door I pray…
Klem Schen Nan, nan Claro Beats Hé, j'ai pas tourné la page, j'suis bl…
Knife Party Don't stop, turn that up, take it higher Take this motherfo'…
Landfill Take my heart. Tear it all apart So I wont be…
Le m Pré-refrain Elle veut son antidote Refrain Pani temps ba…
Leon Seti Every night you visit me in my dreams Hazy like the…
Lisa Greene She got you hooked and left a trace I see it…
Lövestad Ouh Ouh hou ouhhh Ouh houuu houu Ouh hou hou hou houuuu!…
M. Iwata & H. Sakimoto Gyal only you decide That body next to mine Cant lie you're…
Magnolia Park & Kailee Morgue 'Cause I need an antidote, antidote I think I'm about to…
Marz Ferrer No longer will I be the drink That you get wasted…
Master I have seen the light, and I have changed my…
May.Lu Hate plagues the world and kills relationship Before it ever…
Messiahvore Confined inside this shell except the fate All goes back to…
Miesa Verse I: Oh, something inside of me knows I need to leave…
Migos What-you-want: mi-go! No, no, no Migo! Go! Call me what you…
Moon Bounce Oh, I can hear it in your tone You don't love…
Moonspell Here is to fear For keeping us alert. And here is to…
Morcheeba The skill it takes to create The pill to gab a…
Mr Lambo Та дорога вела судьба дремлет в тумане Мир будет гибнуть без…
mr. manish You of all people After all we've been through Started out a…
Nao She's got the good, good vibes Beauty that I can't describe …
Nate VanDeusen Seeing the way that you are makes me want this…
Neon BLK I have this fetish For the freak disposition An aching I can…
newfamiliar I′m sitting on my own with the lights down low It's…
NOT A TOY Hope you don't forget me I'm collecting downfalls Hope you d…
Now It's Overhead Forked tongue, venom cold in my veins Overtaking Forked tong…
Ofln - Travis Scott Don't you open up that window Don't you let out that…
Oliver Keane Every guy wants her, She’s likes wearing his jumper, But my …
Orion Sun I fell in love in the sky on the back…
Out Out Look hard, what do you see? I'm a man that's better…
Pablo Iranzo Waking up Drowned in another morning Feeling lousy I tried t…
Pain Tony's got a botfly in his forehead Jenny's got a guinea…
Preoccupations Sending current down the barbed wire Burning currency in bon…
Project Pitchfork Blood in my veins Pumping pumping pumping A strange kind of…
Ran-D I feel like Herb jump off the curb and we…
Ran-D & Endymion I found the antidote in a room of black lights…
Red Fang Death knell So true you're no good White wash All thought l…
Red Harvest Someone has found the…
Roseboy666 Je sais pas pourquoi tu fais des manières quand je…
S.o.t.e Shawty have been waiting Have been waiting at the door…
Sabiobeats Yo no tengo rep, we the next Siente la soga en…
SHM VS. Knife Party Don't stop, turn that up, take it higher Take this motherfo'…
Silver Dose I kill a piece of myself To kill what's killing me Skipping…
Slytract Pretence, of the truth causes error situation Shaming world …
Sorta Ueah! Ueah! Самого высшего Sorta! Дай биток, я поебусь с н…
ST. NIKLAS I am the antidote I’ll suck your venom out Show me where…
Stress Fractures Freshly showered, but I still feel dirty There's a pain I…
Strike Anywhere To sleep with anger every day - to put your…
Swedish House Mafia Don't stop, turn that up, take it higher Take this motherfo'…
Swedish House Mafia Vs Knife Pa Don’t stop, turn that up, take it higher take this mother…
Swedish House Mafia vs. Knife Party Don't stop, turn that up, take it higher Take this motherfo'…
The Fall Lies from the altar You've lived in fear for far too…
The Hives Bitter taste In your mouth It's too late to get it out Every…
The Methadones Sometimes I break down and read into things that are…
The New Shining I'm gone too far There's no way out This blackness's like…
The Other Realm Some say I'm bitter Some say I'm cold But most believe I'll…
The Parachute Dilemma Dancing in the mud Climbing up the walls Running through the…
The Parlotones It's not the first time, but the last time, don't…
The Plague Faith is not a “feelings antidote” Faith will never take the…
The Sheila Divine Sometimes I break down and read into things that are…
The Summer After I haven't been myself much lately Body aches, can't concentr…
the vincent I am the antidote I’ll suck your venom out Show me where…
Travi Scott Don't you open up that window Don't you let out that…
Travi$ Scott ( Don't you open up that window Don't you let out that…
Travi$ Scott feat. Future & 2 Chainz Don't you open up that window Don't you let out that…
Travis $cott Don't you open up that window Don't you let out that…
Travis Scott Don't you open up that window Don't you let out that…
Tülpa & Blankts Ain't got no memory Memory me empty I write like a left…
We Are The Empty I don't know what you're waiting for Gut you in the…
What Strange Beasts Cloud Rider, the stratosphere's got no map Fingers of lightn…
willivonka Uh I never realized I can't let you go Filled up my…
Yaima A potent wave Begins to conspire Secured by the source Inner…
Youri & A2H D'Athènes à Londres J'vais changer de liasses Dareal aux man…
yunan You keep doin it over & over Tu mujhe rehne na…
[S] Swedish House Mafia vs. Knife Party Don't stop, turn that up, take it higher Take this motherfo…
★Morcheeba The skill it takes to create The pill to gab a…

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Jay Middleton

3y↑1

@Tiara we don’t need to consume animal products for health or nutrition, and in fact it’s healthier for you to not consume animal products.

This makes consuming animal products completely unnecessary.

The way we treat animals is cruel and inhumane. Considering we don’t actually need to eat animals at all, this cruelty and inhumanity is ethically and morally unjustifiable.

I think that something to take seriously. Basically, if you think it’s wrong to be cruel to animals, then you need to be vegan to live in line with your own moral values.

That’s not considering the environmental argument. The objective fact of the matter is we in the west need to reduce our meat consumption by at least 90% in order to meet climate commitments. Being vegan is more beneficial for the environment than recycling. I think that’s something also worth taking seriously.

Matthew Fodell

5y↑1

Of course we all want the US out of Syria, but the situation is a little more complicated than just “out altogether faster = better.” The Kurds of Rojava are being essentially genocide in the Afrin canton, their incredible social revolution crushed by the joint efforts of Erdogan’s military and the Islamist militias who he has partnered with in the war on Rojava (and lets be real— on the Kurds especially, who he has always hated and demonized).

The US used the YPG/YPJ as basically the primary ground force to fight ISIS (a problem the US largely created) back. But the US never gave them significant support in forms that would actually help them after the US leaves, because Turkey is a NATO ally and Erdogan would’ve been pissed if we gave them significant heavy weaponry or technology (despite the fact that YPD/SDF are clearly the most progressive, secular, pro-democracy force in the region— the only one tbh).

Right now, at this point, the situation is very clear. Turkey invaded Efrin (the central canton of Rojava), commuted large scale ethnic cleansing and had their allied Islamist gangs brutalize the people there, kidnapping, robbing, and everything else you can imagine. Ethics is about predictable human consequences. The reality is that the US has already been in Syria, has been supporting horrific groups in order to overthrow Assad, and they have also given some support to YPG/YPJ (mostly air support) to have them overcome ISIS. In a vacuum, of course I would say “Yes, let’s leave Syria altogether.” But geopolitics and ethical realities don’t exist in a vacuum. Absolutely we should stop our destructive actions in Syria immediately. Stop arming Islamists, stop trying to overthrow Assad for our own geopolitical reasons (and I’d add “stop supporting Turkey and Israel’s actions” as another very significant move to cease).

But as I said, to make ethical and practical determinations, we have to think about what will happen if we make a decision— not just what sounds nice to us in a vacuum, in principle. YPD/SDF have done so much good in the regions they’ve liberated. Are they perfect? Absolutely not. But compared to any of the Islamists or authoritarian reactionary statists who have a shot at power in the region, they are amazing, and while the material conditions are still very hard in their autonomous region, many people’s lives have been made infinitely better than they were under ISIS, or Assad, or than they would be under occupation by Turkey and their militant allies... Clearly— we can see the atrocities they’ve been committing in their regions, though they aren’t well-reported. Setting aside the fact that people in Rojava’s territory have actual democratic mechanisms to participate in self-governance (something that we can’t even claim to have in the West), setting aside that Rojava has made feminism a core principle without the brutal authoritarianism that secular states like those of the Ba’ath Party have come with... looking at things as they are: it is a false dichotomy to act like the option is “We continue to aggress against Assad in attempts to overthrow him, or we leave altogether and everything is fine and we can feel good about our principled position.” I am an anti-imperialist. Noam Chomsky is one of the most significant and influential anti-imperialist activists in modern Western history, and he’s saying the same thing— we should really consider why people who care about this issue are not just jumping on the bandwagon. The reason is because in reality, the option where we just completely leave Syria altogether, all at once, literally means that we are abandoning Rojava to be destroyed by Turkey and Islamists. We are abandoning many Kurdish people to be ethnically cleansed. We are abandoning the women in these regions who have been liberated to have god knows what horrors imposed and inflicted on them by these Islamist forces. And we are abandoning the single most left-wing, libertarian, and democratic force in the Middle East to be snuffed out like it had never existed.

These are people’s lives at stake, and our government has already jeopardized them, first out of convenience, to manipulate them into fighting ISIS for us, then because our real alliance was with Turkey all along so we never had any intent on hanging around (and yet some authoritarian leftists still love to act like the fact that we opportunistically provided some air support means that Rojava is literally just some CIA proxy whose purpose is to expand Western imperialism)...

I do want us out of Syria, but this is not a case of Trump making a good, anti-imperialist move. We are enabling Turkey to do what they’re doing in Rojava exactly like we’re enabling Saudi Arabia in Yemen and Israel in Palestine. None of these smaller states could commit the mass atrocities they do if ours stopped providing diplomatic and military support on a continuous basis. I don’t want the US in the Middle East at all, but we have created conditions which jeopardize the lives of literally millions of people, and since it’s our subservient allies doing the killing, our state’s inaction is still an action which is making these atrocities possible*. We support Israeli and Saudi and Turkish imperialism precisely because our allies’ imperialism by and large still serves our own imperial interests. Our neocons would *love for Israel to take control of Palestine or Syria or anywhere else which isn’t in our grasp yet. Likewise, they’d be happy to see the leftists of Rojava and the Kurds crushed to nothing now that they’ve played their role in our eyes. I think that anyone who is seriously concerned about imperialism for the right reasons, and not just because it sounds like a nice moral stance, should really think long and hard about this case, because just abandoning them to be massacred by our own ally is not a solution. If we could stop this diplomatically, without any forced in the region, I’d love that, and maybe if our rulers had the will we could, but I have no confidence in that, and I don’t think it’s our position to gamble with their lives like that. We could stop our really egregious, criminal actions today and still offer some form of protection for Rojava and the Kurds; Turkey does not have the capacity to aggress against the US. Our continued presence (just to the extent that we’ve already been in Rojava, which is not the part of our operations directed at Assad) would give us time to diplomatically prevent Turkey from engaging in this genocidal imperial aggression.

Geopolitics is complicated, and it’s not always extremely obvious what the right move is, which is why I think it’s important that we are guided by real ethical principles that take our consequences into account rather than just general ideas about what we generally like to see. It’s too late to really discuss now, because we’re already leaving, but yeah... I wouldn’t consider enabling an allied imperial force to assault people far more aggressively than we would have as a great anti-imperialist position.

I really do want the US out of everywhere, but it does make a difference what is being done where, why, and (perhaps most importantly) what will happen if it stops abruptly, if we want to judge what is the best way to roll back our empire. If we had the option, somewhere in the world, of pulling all of our involvement out of a country tomorrow morning, but we knew that if we leave, it will enable a fascist dictator to take over, of it will guarantee some kind of humanitarian crisis that could kill hundreds of thousands of people, then as an anti-imperialist I would say that we should figure out a way to pull out over some time while providing whatever it would take to prevent that from happening. This isn’t a binary where we’re either committing settler-colonial mass murder or we have absolutely no connection to the country in question. There are all kinds of ways we can relate to another country, and there are ways which can benefit the other country without imposing upon them (which we kind of owe a lot of places, having totally devastated them for decades). If we have to take some steps across that spectrum rather than leaping the entire thing all at once in order to realistically get out of their hair without threatening the lives and well-being of the people who live there (potentially making things even worse than they were with us present), then yeah, I think that’s necessary. In some cases you can make a leap from a policy to the absence of a policy at once without catastrophic consequences (for instance, when we imposed brutal sanctions on Iraq or when we embargoed Cuba, afaik it only does good to eliminate the sanctions/embargo all at once)... But if there is very good reason to believe that our sudden cessation of action will allow mass atrocities, and wr’re just ceasing because it’s no longer geopolitically advantageous for us to continue military operations, then I do think it’s a more complicated case. The amount of shit Noam Chomsky has taken (particularly from tankies, who already hated him because he is critical of DPRK and Stalin) for articulating this is just incredible... I don’t think this should be a hot take to anyone who really is concerned about what will become of the people who actually live in the Rojava region.

Annaelle Jacques-Morel

@FanBeck You can easily convince a homeless man that the dog who went through and thin with them, who is their loyal companion, is worth fighting for and protecting.

So I'm going with B.

Animals are our comrades in our own struggle for liberation.

And I'm also going with A

Animals resist their oppression, and they seek our help when they can. They have revolutionary potential, not by themselves, but alongside with us.

Human and animal liberation will happen quicker as long as we seek to fight for both together.

starkinternational

I dont really think the vegan guy had the great arguments that some people are saying he did.

- he kept bringing up disabled people. Disabled people have always been considered expendable by institutions and the system and its gross to even talk about hypothetical eugenics to promote veganism
- he really tried to say a brain dead person is less than a fly, and then immediately walked it back and talked about the extrinsic suffering of the family of that person, showing that he still knows that there is a difference
- he brought up functioning labels talking about autism which the autistic community has repeatedly asked people not to do because it's used to treat nonverbal autistic people or autistic people with sensory sensitivity as lesser (which he literally did)

Now, Hasan's arguments were pretty weak, and I'm not saying that veganism is bad or anything. I'm just saying don't make shitty arguments for it.

I don't care if the argument is "hypothetical sentience", it's a bad argument. The reality is, we are one of the only creatures that kills their own species. Most of us don't like to do that. That's why in any hypothetical situation you're not going to kill a human. To even argue about these dumb scenarios that won't happen in a million years is ridiculous. Stop using disabled people as props for your bad arguments!!

Jay Middleton

I haven’t gotten that far in the video yet but there are lots of animals that kill their own species. It’s surprisingly common.

I don’t know what arguments he made were but generally the argument for veganism is:

We don’t need to consume animal products for health or nutrition. In fact, eating them can increase our risks of stroke, heart disease, and cancer. This makes eating animal products a case of taste, it’s satisfying our desire for pleasure.

Animals are sentient beings with the capacity to think, feel, and suffer. The way they are treated in animal agriculture is cruel and inhumane.

Considering we don’t need to eat them, this cruelty is ethically and morally unjustifiable. “Bacon tastes good” doesn’t justify inflicting unnecessary cruelty onto a sentient living being.

That’s not even taking into account the environmental argument - unless the west reduces its meat consumption by 90% there’s no way for us to meet our climate commitments. That’s just the fact of the matter.

Oppression is oppression, it’s not ok to engage in it just because it tastes good.

All comments from YouTube:

Alfred Soul

4y↑523

Guy: "So, if I could talk about race for a minute..."
Mod: "Oh no."

Aidan Gillard

@Casie yep

Casie

@Aidan Gillard He actually said that?? I'm not at that part yet, but that's disgusting. Not surprising though unfortunately

Aidan Gillard

@Dusty sorry don't know. Maybe this comment above yours is the timestamp you want?

Dusty

@Aidan Gillard I know its been a while since you've commented this but can i get a timestamp?

Philis Phil

56:29

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490o

3y↑152

Hearing him say that his grandparents advised him to change his name to hide his muslim identity fucking broke my heart.

Colton Kemp

2y↑2

I know I’m late to the party here, but I couldn’t agree more. America absolutely has failed our own citizens and continue to fail our Muslim brothers and sisters and it’s ridiculously difficult for me to find out after so long of being trapped in conservative region

Danielle Corvid

5y↑394

research into humans shows we have always taken care of members of our family groups even if they couldn't "contribute". also, people with autism can absolutely contribute to society and help build it.

Mizz Infamous

Some say despite the downsides of autism that it’s the next step of human evolution since ppl with autism are often very smart. Sorry if I said a stereotype

NZGames

@Edward Suksikäsi well, we could repurpose the land needed to feed animals to produce food for us instead. The amount of proteins that meat provides per square meter of land is like 10x less than that of plants, not to even mention carbon/methane emissions and the amount of water needed.

NZGames

3y↑1

@A 1 I would argue that we could offer better living conditions to animals than nature does, in which case I think ultimately killing them after a "complete" life, wouldn't be as problematic. They would die anyway, and when nature kills them it can be much more vile quite often, and much more needless too. Of course, we don't give them a good life right now generally speaking, and I think that is the biggest problem. At least for the part of us being inhumane. Treating animals humane would be worse for the climate I think if we wanted to produce just as much meat. Anyway, the way in which we industrially farm animals is horrible.

I would advocate for substantially increased taxes and certain quality of life regulations in the short run, leading to pricing of vegetarian products being incredibly competitive with all meat, in the short run, and cultured meat in the long run. Cultured meat could be here at a decent scale in like 10 years, and it has the capacity to be even better for the environment than plants, while being safer to eat, easier to mass produce and more.

Skeptic Monkey

3y↑1

@A 1 No, humans are omnivores, literally that should be the end of the discussion.
We should consume less meat, but not drop it entirley.

Edward Suksikäsi

@patiotaiza I am aware livestock are fed "something" and they don't eat much grass, but only in western countries, and the insane conditions we keep these animals. (otherwise we didn't need to add MSM nitrogen supplement in their foods that they would normally get from grass)

But that's not what's happening in global south where grassland not suitable for growing wheat is used for crazing

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Kyle Lee Hufnagel

3y↑94

Man, it’s tedious as hell how debate lords have taken philosophical conversations and tried to cram language into a binary mathematical framework. Just endlessly employing more and more elaborate fuckin rhetorical traps, stifling actual communication.
It rules that it is useless for affecting actual macro level change and only serves to maintain status quo.

EnderMynx

Does anyone actually know all the words this guy used in this comment, he has a high vocabulary

Marcos Martinez

2y↑1

And that it was argued so pedantically as if Hasan wasn't listening and was lying in his responses.

lmao

3y↑6

Spiritual lyrical individual

Aidan Gillard

3y↑10

This comment made me laugh really hard 10/10

Mariano Grillo

4y↑397

I wish hasan would do a whole debate with the vegan dude, because they’re both really well spoken and I wish they weren’t constrained by time.

Marcos Martinez

2y↑2

The vegan advocate and Hasan indulging in this philosophical debate was crazy. The vegan kept saying Hasan wasn't answering his question was not the case. Hasan just wasn't giving him the answer he wanted. And people who constantly feel the need to say "let me finish" is just such whiny debating. And then the Jewish holocaust analogy??? Like, what? Wow.

Posthumorouz

2y↑1

@Casie LMFAO ahhahahaaa

Vince Valdez

2y↑2

@Casie theres no way you actually think that a countries governing body being around for 250 years, means that there were no people here before that…right?

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Jad Lad

2y↑8

genuinely shocking how confident some people are in their unabashedly disgusting racist and classist takes

OsefKincaid

5y↑24

The largest gap in the entire world is the difference between SkepticalStorm's intelligence and SkepticalStorm's perception of his own intelligence

RileyQuinn

4y↑201

the veganism debate was so sexy to me...i did debate throughout high school and college and that debate was definitely more towards a college debate. Y'all remained articulate and considerate and calm and it seemed like the debate was genuinely, ultimately framed under education value....its so sweet

Gabriel Cutler

Absolutely loved it too, im new to all this and this gave me hope for debates and the value they have.

Gabriel Cutler

3y↑2

@Aidan Gillard i think hes trying to see where hasan is comming from and his full stance on it, debates are about trying to find the "flaws" in the others opinion after all. I liked that they kept an educational approach and for sure was the most awesome thing i saw in a debate in a while

Aidan Gillard

3y↑24

Really? There was so much cherry picking i thought. Like the guy kept bringing up hassan civilization argument even after hassan took it back...

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Concerned Citizen

5y↑50

Regarding the question about whistleblowers, specifically Snowden, there are a few things worth considering. One, if someone risks their very life to get information about government malfeasance out to the people, am I gonna believe that person by default, or the government agencies saying, "Who, us? No, we're totally acting above board and within the law."

Two, sort of related to the first, how does the government react to their whistleblowing? Do they let "public good" be defense in court or no?

Third, do I think someone would risk life and limb for some "great misunderstanding"?

All of these things, and more, make me side squarely with Snowden. The documents he released, through Glenn Greenwald and The Guardian, are explicit in what they reveal, and I'm not gonna take the word of the criminals who have been exposed by these documents that everything is really just fine.

Owen White

4y↑9

@TheNatSecWonk I honestly can not tell if you are being sarcastic or not...

TheNatSecWonk

@Owen White Not at all. With leaked Snowden docs and thousands of other delcassified documents, constantly showing effective, independent oversight - it is extremely naive to think the US Government has any level of systematic corruption. State/local, even some in Congress - sure, the odd cop or two here and there. But within the NSA, CIA, FBI, DOJ (excluding Barr), etc. No, no corruption has been documented.

Owen White

4y↑10

@TheNatSecWonk I am very ignorant in the whole whistleblower debate/rhetoric, but I do believe you are really underestimating corruption and whatnot within the government.

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Kyle Shebilske

5y↑19

When an overwhelming amount of people are living paycheck 2 paycheck and a sudden $500 bill would be a huge burden for them.
I wouldn't say the economy is doing that great for the majority of people...

d k

4y↑55

Excusing killing civilians with semantics its never gonna win the argument aussie..

jason norton

3y↑4

Guy's head is so stuffed with American government documents and SOPs that he seriously justifies turning a commercial airplane into charcoal lmao

dean moriarty

3y↑3

“right just hang on a sec”

harry

3y↑6

mann just the tone of his voice made my blood boil

EFrizzleman

4y↑5

This guy really got to me

Dee

4y↑26

I was watching this in background while doing other things and at 1:25:20 I said Hague out loud as if they can hear me ._. This quarantine is taking my sanity away

Wilson Randolph

4y↑74

Yes, I am a vegan. Yes I would save a human before an animal. No, it is not a choice any of us will ever have to make more than once, if you’re lucky. These sorts of straw man hypotheticals are so annoying.

SortofUnpleasant

3y↑1

^^^^^^^^^^

Tom Middlebrook

Fuck yeah! Loved your response to the guy who asked about what to do with people who don't want to help people who don't help themselves! Extreme case. And yes, still don't want them to die. Thanks Hassan

T B

5y↑4

I wonder if the guy who was argueing drones was referencing The Drone Debate, had to read it for class and it's cool seeing it used in these conversaions.

Donald Anderson

5y↑79

Nice chat you had with Ask Yourself. Go vegan Hasan!

Bianca Davila

4y↑12

the argument that bc a a person w “low intelligence” or mental disabilities is lesser than a monkey bc the person cannot do math and/or build a civilization that is worthy to a person w “higher intelligence” sounds a bit morally ambiguous to me just saying

Damian M

Yeah the vegan guy made me cringe tbh

isabella

2y↑1

yea fr w t f

Spencer T

3y↑6

Australian bootlicker dude is the most annoying kind of nerd. Polite, well-spoken, seemingly intelligent, yet believes the state department at face value, cites a movie as a reasonably true depiction of government actions, and isn’t willing to accept any framing beyond that of the imperialist country he desperately wants to go work for. What a way to be!

TheNatSecWonk

We know from leaked, declassified and unclassified records that it's a fairly accurate portrayal, for those who don't like reading the primary source records.

CharleeCharlie

5y↑2

"ILL BE OUT SOON" This was going to be his deathmoth moment.

Rain 23

3y↑3

We should strive to eliminate all suffrage no matter intelligence

Concerned Citizen

5y↑40

16:34 ~ I haven't heard Hasan's response to this question yet, but the answer to the "disabled person" issue regarding the "name the trait" pro-veganism game/argument is quite simple: disabled people aren't a species. They're individual examples of a species that is, by default, capable of creating civilizations. The fact that one person, or a number of individuals, might not be able to create civilization has no bearing on the fact that the human species is, itself, capable of doing so. No cow has the ability to create civilization, and they aren't a subset of a greater species that's capable of civilization.

I'm not necessarily arguing that the civilization trait is the right one here. In fact, I think that this thought experiment, while useful perhaps, is not definitive. Still, if that's what we're going with, disabled people aren't a species; they're human beings. If we were all autistic, we wouldn't be having this conversation and, very likely, we'd have gone extinct (no offense to autistic people).

Now, to hear Hasan's response....

Concerned Citizen

@Devin Nunes' Cows Brother
I absolutely agree that people with autism are, by and large, intelligent. There are exceptions, as with any group, but overall, I agree. I didn't mean to imply otherwise, but rather to say that if everyone in our species had autism -- not just being a little bit on the spectrum, but the whole nine yards -- we wouldn't have made it very far and might not be an extant species.

It's been a hell of a long time since I posted the original comment, and I'm not sure exactly why I brought it up. Maybe something to do with the video? I dunno. I don't think it was central to my thesis, though, and perhaps it wasn't something I should've brought up to start with. Either way, I know some people with autism, and they're brilliant.

Mattress Land

3y↑5

What I found particularly funny was that the guy debating with Hasan about veganism and throwing out the buzzwords and went in on him for using the species normality aslo fell back on normality later on.

Concerned Citizen

5y↑5

I think Hasan was touching on what I was saying, which the person playing the game would call "species normality." Well, duh, how can you avoid talking about the species as a whole? If we're talking about individual traits that appear in individuals as a collective whole, then vegans playing this game really should reconsider their tactics, because the shear number of different human traits dwarfs any other species by a country mile and, as such, humans are obviously in a whole other league compared to any other single species on Earth, and thus there is no comparison and eating meat is completely fine.

I mean, I can't paint worth shit, so exchanging my traits alone with a dog's wouldn't include that, but there are people, some famous and others not, who can make nearly photographically realistic paintings, or colored pencil drawings, or other artistic creations that no animal could come close to doing. You find me the cow that can paint a photorealistic picture, and I'll never eat a burger again throughout the rest of my life.

Again, I think this game is useful perhaps but not definitive when in comes to the question at hand ("Should humans consume animal meat?"), but if "species normality" is its own thing and considered evasive in any way when playing the game, then the game is meaningless.

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Molly Downes

5y↑41

Hasan, put the Twitch chat onto your feed.

Danielle Corvid

5y↑45

if the choice were between a super intelligent alien and a human, would u kill the human

ShrunkenJam12

3y↑2

@neothepenguin a certain level of intelligence necessitates sentience.

neothepenguin

3y↑2

Intelligence doesn’t equal sentience and caring about the alien AND the human is the concept he means, not valuing the alien over the human or vice versa

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Jedidiah oyeyemi

5y↑4

53:00 he said we should not care for equal opportunity and goes to sue drug addicts as an example vs the vast amount of non drug users who also don't have equal opportunity, lets worry about why those people don't have it then.

Francesco De Zorzi

Hasan dropped some good ol' materialism on that kid.

methanial73

This is the meme 'I'm taking a piss and dude is right up on you. I'm vegan".

Rufusooze Ooze

if he thinks this is speed debating,,, we should throw him in toc policy debate rounds,,,,

Immortal Science of Hauntology

5y↑12

history's best conservative thinkers managed to avoid relying on appeal to tradition but it's very common in the political discourse of conservatism

Trimmel

@The Amazing Autist Corey Robin goes into this the mind of conservatism. In his book The Reactionary Mind.

The Amazing Autist

5y↑8

Z4X Many Conservative thinkers actually acknowledge this themselves. Their pessimism about human nature means that they distrust the average person’s ability to come to moral conclusions or behave morally through rationality alone so they instead advocate for adherence to social norms that upbringing and culture can Instill in a person on the level of intuitions and prejudices that don’t have to be thought through to be acted upon.

Brendan bossimself17

5y↑16

I think the end result of all of the questions is that gay space communism should be the end goal(posted at the time that the racist dude came on)

Irving Trujillo

Hasan, love that u listen to the other side and I kno ur frustrated (so am i 😂)I want to see constructive criticism and understand better where the right is coming from. PLEASE come with research, facts, and sincerity. Want to expand this conversation, I love you guys (my fellow neighbors are in my community, even if I disagree I want to hear you 😊) just please come prepared with a compelling argumens and I will give u props. Love all my brothers and God bless America 🇺🇸 💕

Gabs Brown

4y↑55

"Destiny's a mod on the server"

Uhoh

Gaifreak

5y↑2

Hasan, you should check out paul cockshott and anwar shaikh's economy lectures. Cockshott's videos on the labour theory of value are great.

Cade

4y↑3

Gaifreak am I reading that last name right..?

rVnsunshine

4y↑44

Lmao I thought this said speed dating🤦‍♀️

Tiara

Me too

TheJarJarExp 21

3y↑64

That vegan was actually 100% correct and it’s very clear to me that he’s incredibly well read on the topic. Good on him for that

EddieMachetti

@J Kicks yeah that threw me way off.

Stuff With Soph

3y↑1

@Rinnegan of Rage Plant based products and vegan alternatives can be and are extremley expensive, not all animals suffer cruelty before slaughter, plenty of local farmers are chill, and meat is a big part of a lot of people's culture

King Ashant

3y↑1

@Rinnegan of Rage I'm not saying anything humans naturally do is good or bad. I'm saying that consuming some form of food is an undeniable fundemantal part of life and with your logic no animal should be eating any other animal. I'm not arguing for meat eating or against it. I'm only trying to get across the fact that it is entirely up to the individual and isn't right or wrong. It just is what it is. This notion that you (an individual) are the problem because you eat meat is ridiculous. and yeah it's gonna be an appeal to nature, because eating IS ONE OF THE MOST NATURAL THINGS PEOPLE DO. I could understand you bringing that up if we were talking about the meat industry and how fucked up it is but we aren't. We're talking about a literal natural thing that if you don't do then you die. We're not talking about a personal choice for your own personal convenience. It's a choice of where you get your sustenance from

Rinnegan of Rage

3y↑3

@King Ashant “Other animals do it tho” is appeal to nature fallacy . Other animals rape other animals, openly defecate and kill their children are all things okay because “Other animals do it tho” it’s understandable when you NEED To hurt others to survive however when you don’t need to hurt others and you have a wide variety of plant based foods when you go the grocery store then it’s not justified to hurt others which is the point. And again even if they were no way to help a mentally disabled human you still wouldn’t see it as a justification to harm them so it isn’t a justification to harm other sentient beings

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24kt キツネ

Hasan got Jeb Bush-ed in all debates. Please clap

A J

3y↑32

Vegans out here raging about specism while justifying it with ableist takes.

Stuff With Soph

@Liam Hanson Not necessairly. Everybody knows about it, just few care enough to change their consumption or convenient lifestyle, plus not all animals are treated cruelly, you can consume meats on a local farming level or eat the meat you raise yourself-- this is common for a lot of Eastern European families

Liam Hanson

3y↑3

@Aslı It's not hard to figure out. He likes burgers and if you stay ignorant of animal suffering you can continue to eat burgers.

Liam Hanson

3y↑5

Not ableist at all. The vegan guy was defending the personhood of people with disability. Hasan was being ableist here, he was saying that a species was deserving of murder and consumption based on the mean average intelligence of said species.

Tiara

3y↑1

Exactly

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Shave Data

3y↑12

Highly intelligent aliens destroy Hasan's "value humanity over sentience" argument

Africa98

5y↑3

Hassan read up on the mass line, at better than vanguard

Gaifreak

5y↑2

And holy shit that guy at the end thinks tankies like jung. Anarchists have the most ridiculous strawmen

That Boi

ERs Steven universe video is low key fucking hilarious but I also understand why it upsets people

Dominique Panko

2y↑4

love the vegan chatter, I'd just add there are alternatives to eating meat that are easy. It doesn't actually cost you very much to go vegan, maybe convenience. The better argument is: do you value your convenience more than the life and suffering of an animal?

Jew

Yes

Darren Peabody

4y↑4

35:55 lmao Hassan hated being interrupted

Dan Mingo

Lmao he got mean there

Faisal Almaghlouth

@HHarold Janice Griffith maybe?

HHarold

Do you know who he was yelling to there?

StructureClass

5y↑9

The part on labor theory of value I think shows one of Hasan's biggest weak points, talking about stuff he doesn't really know.

I believe he interpreted the question as how we value labor (what we end up paying workers) but Labor Theory of Value is specifically talking about how we value commodities (which can lead to how we value labor). That commodities derive their value solely from labor in some way shape or form.

I could be wrong, I'm not a studied marxist or know if Hasan was answering the question in a way I just didn't get. I just feel like if they had both just stated what they meant by LTOV it would have been better.

Marcos Martinez

Oh, you didn't get it? You were just so confused. You were so lost. Sure, let's buy this. Because it's not that you were being willfully obtuse in order to write a condescending remark, in a not even properly disguised attempt to stroke your ego. That would be pathetic. Who would do that?

StructureClass

5y↑9

@HasanAbi Thanks for the response. My favorite thing about you, Destiny, and Kyle is that you guys are willing to admit when you don't know things or when you get things wrong. Shows you guys really believe everything you're saying.

P.S. would be dope af if you got Richard Wolff on a stream!

HasanAbi

5y↑28

ltov addresses both of those things. commodities don’t exclusively derive value from the labor, but it isn’t factored in to what the prices of commodities should be by marginalists who exclusively rely on supply/ demand, hence why i said the labor theory of value is a good addition. i should’ve made myself clearer. it’s certainly not my strongest area of expertise however

Edward Suksikäsi

4y↑3

Pigs are intelligent pack animals, pandas are "slow" for low nutrient food but endangered. Check mate vegan.

Edward Suksikäsi

4y↑1

Actually I believe it's more of a referring to number of pigs on planet that eat everything compared to pandas that eat bamboo..? False comparison but hey.. his argumentation wasn't that far from mine. And after listening the debate a while there is quite annoying veganism debate.

Humans being only known species in known universe that's capable of researching the secrets of universe using very sophisticated tools other species won't be able to create in any known period of time.

As we're expanding our biosphere off the planet to mining nearby asteroids (which requires ending of "private space industry as their only motivé is to create first trillionaire abusing unregulated space that's for all of us equally to abuse so far) and maybe in other planet, it's pretty obvious which is life is priceless.

Edward Suksikäsi

@Joseph Vh I believe not one vegan, unless some psycho living at farm.

I don't know the context of that comment anymore, it's 3 months old and memory made room for other more recent things to remember.

But guessing this was some satirical take on something that annoyed me and maybe some pot...?

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Den Mun

5y↑5

glad to hear you dont like war and the "surgical" drone bombing of innocent civilians... what are your thoughts on the Syria withdrawal?

Tiara

3y↑5

I kinda think vegan talking points are just full of insanely wrong comparisons, hypotheticals and semantics. It's ridiculous and I can't take it seriously.

Tiara

@Jay Middleton I respect that

Jay Middleton

3y↑1

Brooke

3y↑6

35:00 minutes when the vegan finally leaves

Jeremy Reinemer

I just wanted to hear hasan dunk on republicans and not have a moral debate on eating animals. So it kinda sucks that I saw ur comment after an hour.

R M

If you have time to go pee, you most definitely have time to eat a snack off the mic.

Casie

2y↑2

So if you think your morals should be held by everyone you're a moral objectivist, and if you think morals are decided and different from person to person and accept that others may disagree you're a moral subjectivist?

If I'm understanding this correctly, I'm finding myself at a point that I feel like a moral objectivist because think poorly of people who don't think simple things are immoral, like murder. I understand everyone has different morals but at the same time, think that something that simple shouldn't be disagreed with. I might be interpreting it incorrectly, but I believe Hasan said he's a moral subjectivist, and that's probably a lot better to be able to accept everyone's differing values more easily. I should work on that for myself.

Casie

@A S Oh ok. I probably am not understanding the term correctly then. If I believe something, it applies to everyone. I'm not hypocritical like that (or at least I try not to be haha). I do accept that everyone has different morals and values, and that's totally great. It was more for certain things that aren't cool with me, like murder 😅. I guess the hypocrisy with that is not liking murder if it's done in the streets, but supporting it if someone gets a death sentence, or if the person being murdered is a bad person then that murder is justified. I don't think either of those things are right for instance.

But back to the point, I definitely don't think everyone should have the same values, or opinions for that matter. Just that there are certain values that I hold strongly and I'd be surprised if others didn't hold some of them with me.

A S

Religion is a good example of objective morality which always had me wondering why murder was allowed in certain circumstances.

Matthew Fodell

5y↑1

rVnsunshine

Jesus a full essay

Africa98

5y↑14

Hey mate this is kleiner435, sorry for the call request, I just enjoy your shit and wanted to talk. But I appreciate you apologizing for your tone. I just fanboyed too hard.

d k

4y↑8

I can never understand the whole Holocausting animals....

RamRanchRider69

3y↑5

it plays on peoples morality and softens them up while you construct an overly complex hypothetical to get a le epic debate bro gotcha

Vini SThrill

How about if a broccoli grew a brain?
My morals on eating meat comes from the fact that if I was on an island starving from hunger and there was an animal there I'd have no problem eating it! If I ever think in that scenario I would treat that animal the same like I was stuck on an island with humans then I would be a vegan!
I would like to reduce the death of animals but I don't see how my not eating animals has anything to do with "they are like humans".

Aaron Archer

5y↑5

Why do something you know that is immoral? Wouldn't it be better to change in order to provide a role model for others to follow, considering your very public position?

Danny R

Because he is not perfect and should meet to no ones expectations....

EddieMachetti

Those chicken tendies just taste so fucking good 😢

NM02

3y↑3

@Rave_oli Vegan diet is more than enough for peoples nutritional needs the only thing youd need to supplement on is b12 vitamin (which you probably dont get enough from meat anyways and should therefore supplement anyway). And a vegan diet IS better for the environment, i mean come on theres been numerous studies on that topic already. For example one of the largest meta analyses ever conducted on the topic says a vegan diet is the number one best way for a regular consumer to reduce their carbon footprint.

Rave_oli

Are you going to feed the world with soy beans and tofu? And do you know that'll be worse for the environment that meat production.

juanamigo

Is there a political ideology where both profit and taxes are both considered theft?

Trey Meares

3y↑6

31:47 is too much for me

Fi☪†i☯N

5y↑5

26:00 well would you justify killing a children before an adult animal as it's more inteligent at the moment?

Joseph Vh

Assuming that's true, still no because of the child's potential. More specifically though, they were discussing sentience, not intelligence.

amira hassan

woah militant atheist on the internet who has never felt the touch of a woman

Fi☪†i☯N

5y↑1

@CharleeCharlie negating the extrinsic value considering the subjective nature of the potential "victim" contrary to his own in the situation

Fi☪†i☯N

5y↑1

@CharleeCharliesame thing is true for animals. some people value their cat or dog pett more than other humans.

CharleeCharlie

No bc of extrinsic value

Carl Erichsen

5y↑44

OMNILIBERALS RISE UP!

Hanna Kyla

vegan debater — what about some animals that live longer than humans? would you favour their sentience span over the human’s? 🧐🌿

jamie jay

5y↑4

When he said the stock market is doing well and the very next day you see that it has plummetted into a bear market, the worst it has ever been for the xmas holidays. Trumpettes now dig their heads in the sand.

EsotericOccultist

Let me guess. It's only Obama's economy when things are good right? 🤔

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Henry AB

3y↑3

If anyone says the r word unironically (even ironically its a big red flag) you should automatically stop talking to them.

Henry AB

2y↑1

@A Yeti On The Interneti one of the only acceptable times to say it is if you are quoting somebody

A Yeti On The Interneti

2y↑1

Yes.
Context doesn't matter

Annaelle Jacques-Morel

5y↑4

You what argument that the vegan person should have used?

1- «But we DID build civilization with all those animals - the dogs, the cows, the horses and the pigs and the chickens and so on - all those animals built these civilizations together with us - under terrible conditions of oppression, but still - it does not invalidate their contribution that they were oppressed while building civilization with us. Even the flies and maggots and worms and bees and rats and spiders and other vermin - they, too, build the civilization with us. #Zoopolis»

2- You say you value humanity. What is it like, conceptually, to be human? How is that of value? What does that even mean? And how is valuing humanity different than valuing such things as «Noble lineage»?

FanBeck

4y↑1

@Annaelle Jacques-Morel Clearly you have not dealt with homeless people, unless your country is particular, in any case your narrow national gaze would explain your incoherence. In any case you are saying stupid things.

Annaelle Jacques-Morel

FanBeck

And to believe otherwise, you have to believe one of two options.

A- Animals can free themselves from the yoke of man by themselves
or

B- You can convince people living in misery that worrying about their diet is more important than worrying about their misery

FanBeck

4y↑1

It's as simple as this. The only struggles that are worth fighting for are the ones that can be won. I believe that in the end, animal liberation is as necessary as human liberation. But human liberation cannot happen after animal liberation. Since animals have no revolutionary potential, but humans do. Only humans can liberate animals, and as long as the human is not liberated, the animal will not be liberated either.

Enrico Malatesta

5y↑2

I highly disagree with you on the position of the withdraw of the US troops from nothern Syria because it opens Erdogan the possibility to attack Rojava.

Chris b

4y↑1

@The Amazing Autist id support US involvement protecting a capitalist people against an aggressor if it meant stopping a possible genocide too. At that point it has nothing to do with capitalism vs socialism

The Amazing Autist

5y↑2

“Imperialism is evil when done to support Capitalism but not when it’s done to support socialism.”

IMPERIALISM FOR ME BUT NOT FOR THEE.

Undeadsweater

3y↑2

The part with the vegan guy was good. I agree with the “sentience” argument, because it is completely objective unlike arbitrary preference for a species. But I actually would use sentience to justify eating meat instead of veganism. It is also my justification for abortion, since fetuses are human but are not sentient. They are valued based on sentience and not simple human DNA.

Natalie T

to 'What about drones in WW2' dude: What the fuck dude. imagine what Nazis would have done with drones that they couldn't do with concentration camps.

zengara11

5y↑9

23:59 what about a dolphin?

karlenmarie

3y↑1

he looks soo good in this video holy shit

Tophinator

3y↑4

Pigs and dogs have learned to play video games. No more HOTDOGS! LoL

EddieMachetti

@A J lettuce can’t send emails -_-

A J

Lettuce can send emails! No more salad.

Nick Beamish

Vegan guy said turn humanity into a monolith so I can nit pick it

Dooby

Here's the server this happened on: https://discord.gg/bs6GbP5

Fire dude The guy

I wonder why you never uploaded your debate with actual justice warrior

zjf

5y↑15

oh no honey... we were all rooting for you... go vegan.

zjf

3y↑1

@Aidan Gillard girl why are you still commenting on this year old video...

Aidan Gillard

3y↑1

Also the condescension levels in this comment are off the charts.

Aidan Gillard

3y↑2

You can't watch someone who isn't vegan?

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They let you do it

5y↑1

Hasan "crippling insecurity about how fucking stupid i am" Piker. This is why you hold the views you do

OddwicMusic

5y↑43

0:00 - 1:58:17 "wow"

TazmilysHero

5y↑117

Your vegan arguments were pretty weak. Would be good to see him again in a video when you can brush up your arguments. I feel it would be interesting and both of you could learn some new things.

Aryan shukla

@tari813 u should elaborate before calling something dumb
The analogy was appropriate as he himself said that there is no character trait that he can point out to differentiate between animals and humans but values human life more just because he is also human thus calling himself a "speciest".
Why I can't apply the same logic to races

tari813

@Aryan shukla Terrible analogy dude. Like wtf. How do you call an argument dumb and then make such a dumb analogy.

sungod13

@Aryan shukla I agree that is very dumb. But we all know hasan is not a philisophical dude. Politics is policy. Finding what would make the best laws and policy to improve the general population well being. So social medicine would improve the lives of others same with abortion. democracy in workforce, and demilitarized police. Thats policy and politics in which hasan excels at. On the other hand philosphy like what consitutes as a life or what is moral etc. Philisophical debates will never end. No consensus. I would like him to do one. Him saying animals are not human so f##k em is not a good argument. What makes human life more valuable. Is it worth on earth cause we are harming earth. Is it role to ecosystem, we dont fill a niche. Is it intellect animals have comparable intellect. For me one thing we have than animals dont are morals. Thats what i think he means.

Aryan shukla

3y↑1

I think that's very dumb
He is basically saying that i value humans more because I am human and they are like me but if someone says that I'm white and it's okay kill black people does that make it right
He is acknowledging that he is morally and logically inconsistent but then turning around and saying so what!

sungod13

@Tofu Teh oh yeah i agree. The debate was gonna go nowhere as morals and morality itself is philosophy and as much as hasan is smart on policy he is no science major(like me) and no philosopher. Morality is a difficult concept to debate cause everyone values diffently. I think death penalty for anyone even psychos is immoral others believe differently. As you can see the previous essay i typed for you policy, and proper dietary and a respect for animals and i mean all is a way to improve and add to the discussion.

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Mind Wack

To the vegan guy: A human born disabled is not the same as an animal born with average relative intelligence. That's eugenics talk. The inane vegan standpoint is pronged with highly specified fallacies that are backed by a self-righteous moral "high-ground." There is no "defeating" these vegan talking points because they are argued in bad faith with the belief they are instantly winning by uttering them. It is ego disguised as compassion. There are plenty of vegans and vegetarians and they have generated a highly lucrative alt food industry that preys on their self-appointed moral authority and laughs all the way to the bank. Meanwhile they have cultivated a deep hatred of humanity for injustices only a few bad industries are directly responsible for, and actually decided an autistic child is equal to a cow.
Why do these vegans not protest the lions? or tigers? or bears? Those predators kill brutally and with no concern for the suffering of their prey. If humans and animals are so similar then those lions should be more humane and just eat tofantellope. At least humans have the capacity to recognize there is a way to eat meat that doesn't require brutal suffering but rather a quick end after a mostly simple existence. YES some farms are inhumane (there's that word again, you know the one that means "like human morals would dictate?" That thing humans decided because of our advanced reasoning and emotional range?) and we should 100% regulate the industry better to improve conditions and lessen waste. Part of that solution is vegans, they reduce market share of meat sellers. Another part is meat eaters who support humane sources only, or even hunt their own food (eliminating the entire rest of the prongs vegans use IE methane, farmland, inhumane conditions, etc.
Be vegan by choice but do it for the right reasons and do it in a well researched and healthy way. Also stop trying to force your choice on everyone else. Humans are omnivores and it is unreasonable to expect authoritarian control over our diets when there are plenty of viable compromises available.

Alfredo Gonzalez

5y↑3

UPVOTE THE VIDEO people need to see this

jump7shot

5y↑4

Damn everything was great until he started talking about veganism. I work with special needs and I was CRINGING. He needs to read someone that has a moralistic argument like Sam Harris

Tyler Durden

3y↑1

Vegan guy was cool af, did they ever have like a follow up?

Adam Harless

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Adam Harless

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Adam Harless

@mutated bird you can come get back

mutated bird

I'm not sure. Wondering the same thing

Gadafi

If hell exists i hope Australians go there

patiotaiza

The vegan never put animals in the same level as humans. He actually picked the human in both hypothetical situations. The problem is those situations mean nothing because you would never find yourself having to kill a fly to save a human. Not killing animals does not take away the value of mankind. Not killing animals doesn't put animals on the same level as humans.
If anything, if you really cared about humans you'd go vegan: 1. animal agriculture is one of the main causes of air, water and soil pollution, especially in impoverished areas, slaughterhouses are never located in big cities (although it still causes pollution that affects us all, everywhere). 2. Animal agriculture workers have awful work conditions; aside from the obvious physical stress, the risk of physical injuries is one of the highest, and there's psychological consequences to having to kill animals who dont want to be killed all day every day. There's a high prevalence of alcoholism and opioid abuse among slaughterhouse workers. 3. Consuming animal products causes cancer, heart disease and diabetes, as well as many other illnesses.

So even if you hated animals, you should go vegan out of respect for mankind.

starkinternational

Jay Middleton

EddieMachetti

My sims 4 character is vegan. Very healthy individual and highly moral besides having 34 children with 26 different women.

Dokramuh

5y↑12

16:00 a disabled person is not a species though.

banan

@illmind tybahza ah yes r slur funny

Dokramuh

@Pepe Silvia I don't know, I quite enjoy my life.

Dokramuh

@Pepe Silvia When have I said it's ok to kill disabled people? I agree though, we as a species should strive to lessen our environmental impact.

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SinisterGrapefruit

>Ask Yourself
Disgustiny

Jeanette Martinez

I no longer use the term feminism, under what is said feminism stands for I use the term Non-Religious Humanist.

Knight Tamimi

4y↑58

That vegan was doing my head in

neothepenguin

@Sam Plager you can do it ❤️ but also I genuinely believe that you should put yourself first and your diet second.

Kismet

4y↑7

Sam Plager yea that’s the issue it’s an instinctual thign that most people would agree is wrong in a vacuum/ unbiased philosophical discussion, but we sorta automatically engage in motivated reasoning to justify it

Sam Plager

4y↑7

Yeah. I feel like I should eat meat but I know I shouldn't.

Paul Smith

5y↑11

Hasan whats with the ali g look. 😂

ShadowReaper727

Wait. What about the fly’s family?

Bruh.moment

4y↑9

That vegan debater was fucking great

это ютуб я правильно понимаю?

40:42
56:23

bgoodnow

5y↑1

Oh the vegans!!

J M

5y↑1

As soon as this guy started talking about the labor theory of value it was obvious he had no idea what he was talking about. Had to turn it off

Ell Pacino

5y↑8

35:00 to skip to the end of the veganism conversation.

Tiara

3y↑1

Lol

Max W

5y↑6

Slight flex in the thumbnail, but okay.

EnBy32

5y↑20

That's not how severe autism works. My child has the capacity to feel and understand his role as a human being even if he can't build civilisation or add to it in a constructive or progressive way.

EnBy32

5y↑3

@Ayberch your mom is a wonderful lady.

EnBy32

5y↑3

@CPSPD I have not responded at all. My only purpose was to point out the misrepresentation of autism. I guess they filled in the blanks according to whatever side of the argument they believed in 🤷🏻‍♀️

CPSPD

5y↑1

Alfredo Gonzalez did your mom delete a comment or something? Cause i didn’t see them address that, only argue their point about autism

Ayberch

5y↑2

if theres anything i learned in this life

its that you should never trust someone called your mom

Alfredo Gonzalez

5y↑9

your mom Don’t you think cows and pigs have the capacity to feel and understand their role in the social group, even with humans they are like pets... why is it okay to kill them for a stupid burger that’s gonna kill you and the environment??

Homework break

But what if we want to eat the outliers

Homework break

Bunch of ideas

Would veganism exist if meat production were not the capitalist industry that it is? Aren't most of the reasons fine then?

Can robots become more sentient than humans? Like that's not actually possible right?

Uh I swear I had more but I left the app for like an hour before finishing this comment so I don't remember

Lester Brunt

3y↑1

If killing a living thing is always bad then why is it ok to kill plants and fungi?
If it is about pain then why isn’t it ok to kill animals without pain?

Lester Brunt

@Jay Middleton But to what extent? Like I said the chicken doesn’t seem to care about morality or empathy when it is picking at the ripped out intestines of a rabbit. Clearly a chicken does not have the me tal capacity to understand those concepts which means they operate on a conscious level so low that they can’t recognize pain and suffering in other animals OR they don’t care.
I have seen plenty of uncensored nature videos and the cruelty animals do to each other is unparalleled.
Like a bear eating a baby deer straight out of the mother’s vagina. You are going to tell me that bear has feelings? Just picture a male human devouring a baby human straight out of a vagina. Not even in the sickest horror movies do you see that kind of cruelty and barbarism.
So when that is the world they live in I don’t see how feeding them, keeping them warm and ending their life with a quick bolt to the brain is so bad.

Jay Middleton

@Lester Brunt that means you don’t eat bacon or pig products, right?

Would you be ok eating a human who’s not mentally capable of recognising themselves in the mirror?

The point is that plants don’t have the capacity to think, feel, or suffer. Animals, even chickens, definitely do.

Lester Brunt

@Sonja Hll I mean do they mourn when they are slowly devouring the intestines of some poor animal while it is still alive and in agony? Seems like they don’t really have any clue what is going on. The argument that “animals have to eat and some are meat eaters” doesn’t explain the sheer cruelty. That can only be explained by a lack or consciousness, they have absolutely no clue anything outside their perception is a being like themselves. Only a few animals can recognize themselves in a mirror and actually understand they are seeing themselves. I am fine with not eating those animals.

Sonja Hll

@Lester Brunt idk where you got that info from but you really can't know for sure. Many chicken owners report that they do mourn about other dead chickens. But they are defenetly more sentient than plants.

Lester Brunt

@Sonja Hll How sentient is a chicken? You can kill one and the others don’t even respond as if nothing happened.

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Matthew R

love everything else, just please stop talking about veganism or go vegan

eyepennies

am I dumb I thought tyt was a reference to the rod stewert song

azhurelwarrior

3y↑4

Whos the person Hassan was yelling at in his room?

azhurelwarrior

@antipsychotic When he’s wealthy, unless he’s the one paying for his parents to live with him, yeah it’s kind’ve weird dude...

antipsychotic

@azhurelwarrior is there something wrong with living with your parents?

azhurelwarrior

Forwellian Rhapsody Seriously? Kind’ve an a-hole thing to do. I wonder if that’s him showing his actual colors...

Forwellian Rhapsody

3y↑1

@azhurelwarrior yeah man, he’s said on stream

azhurelwarrior

Forwellian Rhapsody I don’t think he lives with his parents

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