Episode 12
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kyllerbuzcut

@bobby esteban - Your conspiracy is to suggest I'm singling out the latest movies purely because Disney made them... which firstly, isn't the case, and you ask why the prequels bored me at the same time (which they didn't) - but then you ask why it's me who brought it up... when you it was you that brought all that up.
I have no idea what you're going on about now, and I'm not sure you do either.
I'm not here to explain everything in Star Wars, purely to say what I think about them and yes, as I have already said, the prequels had their problems, which I have never ignored, but I can also very clearly see that those are in no where near the same league as the massive death-star sized holes in the plots of the sequels.
What's wrong with someone having that opinion?
I can accept where the problems are - why can't you accept that the sequels have some pretty big problems too?
People are talking about the prequels and their problems and others are mentioning the sequels to put them into context - that's a very fair point - you gotta put t all into context. People wouldn't even notice if the original trilogy wasn't such a big deal, and then we all compare things back to those.
So - to me, the "in-universe laws" say that lightspeed works in a certain way. Han explains a rough guide about having to navigate properly before you jump into this sorta hyperspace dimension that enables you to go faster than light... That rule isn't "broken" anywhere else in any books, games or other spin off media etc... until the Last Jedi, in which we suddenly see that those rules don't matter any more because a director wants to have a cool visual on screen.
We learn about the force through al the previous movies and what it enables people to do. We get the clear limits on what it can do and can't do, and are told that Vader is the most powerful ever. Now we are given the latest movies and told that jedi can just fly, transfer matter over lightyears, and I suspect, click their fingers and explode planets whenever they feel like it. There's no limits to it any more - it broke the previous rules as laid down by the plot of every other movie in the franchise.
So - it is widely accepted here are some boring parts to the original trilogy. It depends you you talk to as to whether they liked those or not. I quite liked a lot of the plot going on there. The holes you mention weren't things that killed the rest of the universe. People have argued about whether Anakin did bring balance or not. He brought down the jedi.. and by the end of return of the jedi - he also brought down the sith too. So that's a balance right there. You might not like the balance, but there is one. It also didn't break anything that was said before. There was a rough ancient prophecy mentioned by the jedi that they weren't sure of the interpretation over.
So, again - with the prequels, I think the problems are over the actual story and whether people liked what unfolded. Nothing really contradicted any pig points about how the universe works, which had been laid down by previous movies - this is a completely different situation with the sequels, which have a LOT of previously established rules just broken. and contradicted.
It's the equivalent of the latest fast and furious movie suddenly been set in space and all the characters being time travellers, as if they always had been, and they can now turn into power rangers and bring each other back to life.



Baron Thundercunt

​@MuaT Yes but sometimes too little is just too little. Darth Vader's dialogue and the importance of his character makes up for his relative lack of screen time and it does (as you say) enhance it because it makes him feel more menacing.

However, Darth Maul literally doesn't speak, he is barely important or significant at all in the movie until the end right before he dies. If he'd lived into the next movies they could've built up to a later confrontation with Obi-Wan and him and really fleshed out his character whilst giving him that same potency that Obi-Wan dying for Luke had.

Why they didn't do that when they were making allusions to the original plot anyway is beyond me. There's a new sith in every movie in the prequels and all of them, on that trend, are like self-contained non-stories that keep stopping and starting and killing off plot lines before they develop and taking away all suspense and investment whilst littering boring politics throughout.

The politics are interesting and they could've been made much more so, again, in this case less would be more though. We were shown far too much and too much screen time on that.

Basically it was just a failure of the execution and understanding of the art probably because George had a greater role in direction and he's not good at that type of thing and it showed painfully. All aspects of building a story and a series of films were worse than the original trilogy from pacing and plot to characterisation and writing.

Maul is a great example and the Clone Wars show displayed exactly what i'm talking about, fleshing Maul out and making him into a fan-beloved character.

Had they given Maul more lines and been more efficient with his time on screen, perhaps giving him the death of Qui-Gon earlier in the movie, mid-way or so, then even inside that same movie they could've built up these things for the end confrontation but they didn't.

They're just poorly directed movies, that's basically what it is. We don't know Maul's motivation beyond like 1 line where he goes "mwuhahaha I am a generic evil person and have generic evil plans and I serve the emperor" and then he does some flips and has a spinny double-ended-dildo lightsaber.

The double-bladed sabre was cool, his spinny acrobatics and aesthetic was cool, but it's all superficial. No dialogue, almost literally none, no characterisation beyond aesthetic impression and superficial things and he's killed off right after he gains significance through his actions.

To compare Maul and Vader and say "less is more" whilst completely disregarding all of these other aspects is very short sighted.

Maul had so much potential and we didn't need Count Doku, and if we did then maybe in some other capacity, but everything in the prequels was handled in a cack-handed fumbling way by Lucas. I'm saying this as a kid who grew up with them and loved them too, and only came to realise how objectively awful they are upon re-watching as an adult.

I still like Revenge of the Sith, I think that film is tolerable, and parts of the fighting in Clone Wars and some other select scenes but that too is mostly boring and all over the place, meanwhile the Phantom Menace is just a dumpster fire. Really no other way to say it, and Maul is a perfect embodiment of why.

A potentially good idea, with some cool superficial aspects ruined by bad creative decisions and a man indulging his directorial role for ego without being mature enough to admit he needed help and should have delegated and listened to others.



GiRayne

@Marwood If you're going to try to quote me, please do so with context so you don't just reply to what you imagined I said. This is what I wrote; "...it certainly has some awful, clunky moments (poor dialogue, dodgy acting, peculiar accents)". Note the key and careful wording of *some*.


And anyone who suggests it doesn't have some goofy moments is kidding themselves, or has exceptionally low standards - or just finds genuine pleasure in pulp (which is perfectly reasonable).


And it's not revisionism. It's just a casting off of nostalgia goggles. There are no flawless films (well, some by Kurosawa might qualify... ), but for so long the SW originals were held up as being almost untouchable and beyond criticism. They are not. They are just films, like any other. Incredibly iconic ones, sure, and hugely loved, but still just films.


Its scale of "cultural phenomena" has no intrinsic reflection on quality, btw. Disney paid that much for SW even taking into account the lobotomised trash of the prequels, after all...



The Zigzagman

For people wondering years from now:
As a young man in the 1970s, Liam Neeson had a "very dear friend" who was "brutally raped" by a black person.

After that he "...went up and down areas with a cosh(stick or pipe), hoping...some ‘black bastard’ would come out of a pub and have a go at me about something... So that I could … kill him.”

Later in the same interview he said
"If she had said an Irish, Scot, or a Brit, or a Lithuanian – I know I would have felt the same way. I was trying to show honour and stand up for my dear friend in this terrible medieval fashion … It shocked me when I came down … Luckily, no violence occurred, thanks be to God.”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/feb/05/liam-neeson-says-he-is-not-a-racist-in-wake-of-rape-comments



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James Thomison

Could you imagine voicing the main villian in a blockbuster movie and NOT being invited to the films PREMIERE?

Adam Grimsley

@Brrrrrggg well he is the main villain.

Brrrrrggg

“main villain” is a stretch when you only have about 2 scenes in the film.

Vaughan Green

@Саша Черняк The Green Cross Code.

Adam Grimsley

Don't need to imagine, it's here, it's real.

G Mann

Maybe it was because they didn't really want the audience to know that Darth Maul's voice was dubbed.

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Josh Liam

If the amount of lines Jar Jar and Darth Maul had in Phantom Menace were swapped...that would've been great.

HΣΛRTS ϴF SPΛCΣ

How about they literally swap lines? THAT would be entertaining.

hainsay

I think it would have been nice if he barely spoke just like how it actually went, and then he started mocking Obi Wan at the end. Nothing about the dark side of the force and how it was more powerful and all that, just calling him a failure, and insulting the Jedi through him. Something uncaring about Qui-Gon, to really make us hate him.

Jack Theflash

I don’t know

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