Sailing
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* N S Y N C Well it's not far down to paradise At least it's not…
*NSYNC Well it's not far down to paradise At least it's not…
8-Bit Arcade When I'm falling again Into the ocean heart Looking for the …
AAA What is makes me hot What is makes me tough What is…
Acoustic Feel Vol.1 Sailing every night and day I got to lose myself to…
Ahn Ye Eun 얼마나 기다렸나 너절한 과거와 이별할 그 날을 홀로의 계절을 박차고 나와서 우리로 만날…
Ahn Ye Eun (안예은) 얼마나 기다렸나 너절한 과거와 이별할 그 날을 홀로의 계절을 박차고 나와서…
Aimer かじかんだ手のひらにそっと閉じ込めていたのは昨日までの傷や優しさと覚めた夢見つけるために失くしたものほど心の…
Amazing Blondel Sailing, I'm almost sailing Waiting to sail away Silver ho…

Andy Salmon/Christopher Cross/Michael Omartian/Rob Meurer/Tommy Taylor/Victor Feldman Well, it's not far down to paradise At least it's not…
Anthony Ventura And His Orchestra We didn't break apart in stormy weather We didn't run aroun…
Avant It's not far down to paradise At least it's not for…
AveParadiso There's a hundred love boats All around me And they all make…
B. Berton Orchestra Sailing written by Christopher Cross Well, it's not far dow…
Barry Manilow Well, it's not far down to paradise At least it's not…
Benett What goes on down there can I come to visit…
Bennys Well, it's not far down to paradise At least it's not…
Bill Spencer You Know my friends Its Been Such A long Time…
Bill Spencer feat. Lorna Rowe I am sailing I am sailing Home again 'Cross the sea I am sai…
Celtic Woman Sailing, I am sailing Home again, 'cross the sea I am sailin…
Celtic Womans Sailing, I am sailing Home again, 'cross the sea I am sail…
Chicane Well, it′s not far down to paradise, at least it's…
Chris Cross Well, it's not far down to paradise, at least it's…
Chris de Burgh Waiting at the water's edge Watching all the ships As they…
Christopher Cross Well, it's not far down to paradise, at least it's…
Cross Christopher Well, it's not far down to paradise At least it's not…
D. Richmond It's a fact that your love is bringing me down Every…
Danny Malone Well you and I, We should go sailing Get away For a day…
Declan I am saling, I am saling home again cross the…
Deerhunter Wind in my sails, I lived for days. No water, no…
Disney Songs & Story Out among the stars I sail, Way beyond the moon. In my…
Donna the Buffalo Outside in the middle of a field I can hold a…
Dr. V Where should I go? Who should I be? 'Cause I've been learnin…
E.T. Signal We didn't break apart in stormy weather We didn't run aroun…
Eir Aoi 波間に映る太陽煌めき朝を告げる水平線に咲く光の輪郭が帆を上げる合図「いつか雲を追いこすよ」風の匂い感じ…
Ensemble & Orchestra My heart and soul, i'm leaving this place I'm trying to…
EnTro-P I was born and raised yard sailing For string bands born…
Fanttasma walking thru the wrecks where home used to be no more we…
Finn William I'd rather be sailing yes, I would On an open sea…
Francois Klark Sailing away from shore How I long to be lost in…
G. Sutherland SAILING (Gavin Sutherland, 1972) I am sailing, I am sailing…
G.Pantelidis There was a time When I used to work so hard To…
Garbanotas I was sailing to the land Where our white is becoming…
Gavin Sutherland SAILING (Gavin Sutherland, 1972) I am sailing, I am sa…
Gavin Sutherland, Celtic Woman, David Downes & Nick Ingman Sailing, I am sailing Home again, 'cross the sea I am sailin…
George Benson It's not far down to paradise At least it's not for…
Grasshopper Takeover How'm I supposed to love you when I'm out here…
Gus D. Wynns & The Breakers It's a fact that your love is bringing me down Every…
H.M. Royal Marines Band The time has come, we all must float We've saved it up worki…
Happy Fits My body's achin' My ship's left the shore Your eyes are wait…
Heather Nova I am sailing I am sailing Home again 'Cross the sea I am sai…
Honey West It's a good day for sailing Put on your sailor's shoes There…
Hubert Kah Can you help me to be true? My ship has…
Hush Mozey I woke up this morning I wanna go sailing I bought myself…
Iyke Onka Well I'm a sailor on the sea I guess you'd figure…
J-Walk Mitsuyasu Tomohisa Just when I thought that I was done Out of the…
Jamaica Soundsystem I am sailing, I am sailing Home again 'cross the sea I…
James Last And His Orchestra We didn't break apart in stormy weather We didn't run aroun…
Joan Baez I am sailing, I am sailing, Home again 'cross the sea. I…
Kaspar 'Berry' Rapkin Well I'm Sailing Finding a brand new home Lord I'm Sailing …
Khadja Nin I am sailing, I am sailing, home again 'cross the…
Khadja Nin; Montserrat Caballé I am sailing, I am sailing, home again 'cross the…
L.A Band When the morning brings a headache And the day seems never…
L.Dre & Vybe Village SAILING PARAGON Sailing with the sun rising before us Miles…
LAKSHMI I try to sleep but then it all comes back…
Leisure Cruise Feels like a good day to get out in the cold take…
Lenny White It's not far down to paradise At least it's not for…
Leo Carnelian The lips of an angel are whispering tales I'm not brave…
Linnea Olsson If you sailing on borders You′re unsure of and you don't…
Liz Callaway I got to talk to you baby, Set the record…
Lordnox 1 2 3, 4 5 6 Counting ‘till ten but I’m…
M.Various Redwoods stand tall blinded by Canopy, by ignorance, by circ…
Majek Fashek The evils of men are written on the brass, and…
Malcolm Gets I'd rather be sailing, yes, I would On an open sea I'd…
Mark Vincent Estoy navegando, estoy navegando, De nuevo en casa 'cruzar e…
Mary I saw three ships come sailing in On Christmas day, on…
Montserrat Caballé I am sailing, I am sailing, Home again 'cross the sea. I…
Montserrat Caballe I am sailing, I am sailing, home again 'cross the…
Moya Brennan & Cormac De Barra Sailing away to deeper oceans Hearts are weary, these sleepl…
Mr. Jackson Sailing in love Jackson Britto Sailing in love Jackson Brit…
N Sync Well it's not far down to paradise At least it's not…
Nathalie Nordnes Far back in time there were no other Only one man…
Nin Khadja I am sailing, I am sailing, home again 'cross the…
Nomi Ruiz Sailing Sailing The scales are leaning on one side And pou…
Norm Lewis I'd rather be sailing, yes, I would On an open sea I'd…
Orion Sun Neighbors yellin through the walls Listen close I hear it al…
P.J. Powers Your sob is resting Above the snowdrift When each star Aligh…
Pep Love & Jay-Biz Where do you go when your best friend breaks your…
Pierre Belmonde Donovan Essence To Essence Sailing Homeward Sailing homeward…
Pizza1/2 北風に身を投げて駆け出す遮るものは何もない澄んだ瞳で雪が白く染めた街で自由に合わせる胸の周波数 "アナタ" 求めて…
Rachel Flowers I can't take no part of it He says, "My sister…
Red Stewart I am sailing, I am sailing Home again 'cross the sea I…
Robin Trower Sutherland I am sailing, I am sailing, home again 'cross …
ROCOBERRY 바람에 나는 돛을 펴네 난 너라는 섬을 향해 가네 나 아무리 멀어지려…
Rod Stewart I am sailing, I am sailing Home again, 'cross the sea I…
Rod Stewart & Royal Philharmonic Orchestra I am sailing I am sailing Home again 'Cross the sea I am sai…
Rod Stewart & Tina Turner I am sailing, I am sailing Home again, 'cross the sea I…
Rod Stewart (Karaoke) I am sailing I am sailing Home again 'Cross the sea I am…
Rod Stewart - Topic I am sailing, I am sailing Home again, 'cross the sea I…
Roger Whittaker I am sailing, I am sailing, Home again 'cross the sea. I…
Ronnie Aldrich His Piano & Orchestra My heart and soul, i'm leaving this place I'm trying to…
Ryan & Rachel O'Donnell Fade away into the distance In a moment As I turn to…
S.E.N.S. Sailing written by Christopher Cross Well, it's not far dow…
Sailing I've grown tired of this Infected swollen shore Peer into t…
Sarita Fraya Getting closer to the shore you might find We're the…
Seiko Matsuda ヨットパーカーそして白いデッキシューズおそろいをあなたはくれたけど私はいつも陸の上もう暑い海の上のあなたへ手を振る…
Seventh Avenue I am sailing, I am sailing Home again 'cross the sea I…
Side A It's not far down to paradise At least it's not for…
Smokie I am sailing, I am sailing, Home again 'cross the sea. I…
So Nyuh Shi Dae / Girls' Generation (소녀시대) 지나간 계절 그 사이로 새겨진 추억 그 중에도 오늘 난 널…
Stina Nordenstam I am sailing, I am sailing, Home again 'cross the sea. I…
Strumbellas I will wait, I will wait, I will wait by…
Superheart Everything you say, I’m just holding on To everything you s…
Sutherland Brothers I am sailing. I am sailing home again across the sea. I…
Sutherland Brothers & Quiver I am sailing, I am sailing Home again cross the sea I…
The Amazing Blondel Sailing, I'm almost sailing Waiting to sail away Silver hori…
The Band Of H.M. Royal Marines & The Band Of Her Majesty's Royal Marines Redwoods stand tall blinded by Canopy, by ignorance, by circ…
The Blue Rubatos I am sailing, iam sailing Home again 'cross the sea I am…
The Fron Male Voice Choir Sailing.. We are sailing oh the dead cross the sea We ar…
The Happy Fits My body's achin' My ship's left the shore Your eyes are wait…
The Romantic Strings and Orchestra My heart and soul, i'm leaving this place I'm trying to…
The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra I am sailing I am sailing Home again 'Cross the sea I am sai…
The Soldiers I am sailing, I am sailing... Home again across the sea I…
The Strumbellas I will wait, I will wait, by the fire We…
The Sutherland Brothers Band I am sailing, I am sailing Home again cross the sea I…
Tony Skratchere/Christopher Cross Well, it's not far down to paradise At least it's not…
Tracy Huang I am sailing, I am sailing Home again, cross the sea I…
U.R.R None of this shit don't matter to me, girl 'Cause you…
Urban Dub Let's go all the way motion in the ocean tonight let's go…
URBANDUB Let's go all the way, motion in the ocean tonight Let's…
v.a. Where should I go? Who should I be? 'Cause I've been learnin…
Various Artists Sailing It's not far down to paradise At least it's not for…
William Finn I'd rather be sailing yes, I would On an open sea…
William White Just a little, just a little while now and I'll…
Woshi 끝없는 바다 위를 미친 듯 저어봐도 어디로 갈지 몰라 나아가기는 하나 구름은 배를 덮고 비로…
www.therebels.de Waiting at the water's edge Watching all the ships As they…
Y. Hirai Oh, we´ll all go sailing, yeah. Oh, we´ll all go sailing,…
Yah-man Yo, behind those mahogany walls Indoor pools with steel door…
Yesterday's Children I′m sailing Over murky waters I'm floatin′ Where I should've…
YoSoyMatt Sailing Sailing Señor Tigre ¿Dónde estás Aurora? ¿Dónde est…
Zoot Maybe tomorrow with the wind on my side I will sail…
⋆NSYNC Well it's not far down to paradise At least it's not…
★N Sync Well it's not far down to paradise At least it's not…
米倉千尋さあ漕ぎ出すんだいま大海原へ水しぶき上げて仆らは行くんだありったけの梦积み込んだ舟は岚がきたってきっと.…
藍井エイル波間に映る太陽煌めき朝を告げる水平線に咲く光の輪郭が帆を上げる合図「いつか雲を追いこすよ」風の匂い感じ…
黃鶯鶯 I am sailing, I am sailing Home again, cross the sea I…

안예은 얼마나 기다렸나 너절한 과거와 이별할 그 날을 홀로의 계절을 박차고 나와서…

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Jean-Francois Mezei

49w

In early days, a single starlink satellite had to see both you and a ground station for a connection to happen. You could be "near" east coast of USA and be assured that you would use a ground station on mainland USA and that was considered "USA" from the FCC point of view (satellite spectrum is licensed and the service would be considered a USA telecommunications service). But as SpaceX is building ground stations in every country where it gets a licence for satellite spectrum, you re no longer assured your packets will land in USA and as you appach Bahamas, it is possible it could land in Bahamas if SpaceX has station there and the costs to SpaceX are different.

And with newer versions of satellites able to hop packets from one satellite to the next until it reaches a satellite that current has a view over a ground station, you can't predict where your packets will land if you are offshore. ()and the constantly moving nature of satellites means the based station you made connected to right now can change ever couple of minutes as configuration of satellites over you changes).

While there are regulatory differences and some difference in transit costs once you have reached a ground station, these are minimal overall and do not justify the $100 price difference. This is just a cash grap knowing those who need internet for their fancy row boats have cash that is very easily parted with.

The satellite currently over you at sea may be underused because very few boaters would use it, but a few minutes later, might be over western europe and over very dense population. So this isn't about satellites being underused over the oceans and costing more. But a base station in Bahamas might carry less traffic overall and serve fewer customers (Bahamas + boats in area) and this cost a bit more per packet of data (but then again no justification for the price difference).

Satellite systems have never made money offering proper service at affordable price and the traditional services have gross oversubscription (aka: dismal performance because too many customers on too little capacity) in order to be profitable. SpaceX started off by offering amazing service with no oversubscription (hence waiting lists for each region based on each base statioN,s capacity) and this was both a technical trial and marketing to create service image. But long term, it needs to start making money, and it can either oversubscribe and get lousy ratings because of slow speeds, or increase the number of base stations to increase capacity in each region and this allow more subscribers.

Whether this is sustainable long term remains to be seen because SpaceX will need to replace just under 1000 satellites per year as they fall out of the sky after a few years. So expect prices to go up. And the change to at-sea service is a good example of extracting more cash from customers especially as the alternative are the far more expensive geostationary satellite services with lower speeds.

Emily35

50w↑1

Not exactly, StarLink needs to connect you via one or more satellites to a ground station so you can access the internet.

They will always use the least amount of satellites possible, so on land it's likely using one or two ground stations based on a single satellites position.

Due to the low earth orbit of the satellites, they have limited range.

So if you are too far from a ground station, they must relay from satellite to satellite in order to reach a ground station.

There are some places on land where this will happen, such as in Australia in our remote locations, but will almost always happen "offshore" on the oceans far from land.

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Matte Frame

46w↑7

Great analysis of this. I do think that $250 is still a pretty amazing price for oceanwide, on demand, high speed internet. This price will be driven down, but it's a groundbreaking technology. It won't be cheap for a while.

k1mgy

50w↑30

I wish Starlink was listening.

Having an internet connection while traveling on the open sea is a huge safety gain. Using the service to watch videos is not on my menu. But getting accurate and timely weather data, connecting with shore-based support (engine trouble, for example), and keeping loved ones assured with our progress reporting are all extremely valuable. I wish they would offer a lower-speed version so that email, text messaging and basic phone service stayed up.

Gwados McNaught

50w↑2

They could even make a slow connection for less $ for sailors even 1 or 2 mbps is enough

Leggo My Ego

50w↑9

That's what Iridium is for, and why every sailboat I know that sails internationally has an iridium satellite system.

Bradley

50w↑2

I think you're onto something. Even though Iridium GO is a thing, having a single service that can do both sure sounds like a good idea. Honestly no reason why they can't just make that the default behavior rather than shutting off access completely.

Jason Grinnell

50w↑1

@Leggo My Egoexactly, I think some people would complain no matter what.

Gnosim

48w↑1

Whats the speed on iridium? Whats the bandwidth? Whats the monthly cost? There are options to Starlink, but thats like going back 20 years to dialup era for same price lol.

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TheDefiant

50w↑25

I remember my dad looking for a used car in the newspaper.

Before deciding on calling the owner, he would page through the phone book to see if that number was a local call, a zone call, or long distance.

How things have changed!

tactileslut

49w

Now the landline runs around $70/mo before the first call and the phone book doesn't tell you which prefixes will raise that. (living in a cellular near-dead spot)

G Bear

46w

What's a "newspaper"?

MrSafetyForever

49w↑6

You very accurately conveyed what has transpired. Look forward to Amazon satellite packages! Competition can be quite beneficial for consumers. Take Care

Adrian Speight

49w

Amazon has a good reason to learn how to get something into Orbit, then, which it never has so far. $250/mo for 50Gb is $5/Gb, barely more than my cellphone data contract.

Wolfy

50w↑22

I just looked at the Maritime plan and it actually looks like the maritime plan went from $1000 to $250 per month. Last time I checked was like 2 weeks ago. Of course there is a higher equipment cost, but it seems to be $2500 equipment cost for maritime and mobility, and business at $250 a month for service. And $599 equipment cost for roam at $150 a month for service.

Sailing Serenity

49w↑1

Their website is not up to date. When they first sent out the Roam messaging, the site had nothing about the regions they were developing. It's all on Elon's whim. Expect it to continue to change!

Wolfy

49w

@Sailing Serenity That’s fair. We’ll see what happens.

James Hughes

50w↑9

I never thought I'd say this, but i hope jeff bezos manages to get a competing service launched that he can make money off of. We really need competition

AlanTheBeast100

50w

Surprise - SpaceX is actually helping a competitor (OneWeb) get its sats into space. (They cancelled Russian launches and re-booked with others, incl. SpaceX).

James Hughes

50w↑1

@AlanTheBeast100 that does seem to surprise people but I think people forget, their main business is launches. I feel like they just do the Internet stuff to fund it. But if someone is gonna pay for a launch, they're gonna launch. Refusing to do so would put all that govt money they get at risk

Chuck Robinson

49w

Not going to happen. Bezos is way too stingy. Remember the Fire phone?

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Nelson Diaz

50w↑46

I use to be a Sat /Comms/Network engineer. Worked for two major Cruise Lines. As per your possible inquiry on 8:45 - No, it does NOT cost Starlink any more if you are on land or ocean. Starlink satellites do not work the same as the old satellite style does. The old style was that a customer linked/pointed to a satellite that was in high orbit (geosynchronous orbit) Which just means it's stationary above one area like satellite DISH TV and therefore cover MANY customers with one Sat. With Starlink satellites the customer links to one satellite that orbits in a non-geostationary orbit and your dish finds the next following starlink satellite and connects to it before losing the previous link as it moves out of your line-of-sight hence the need for many starlink satellites (hence the starlink net). Since these Starlink satellites are circling the Earth and passing over land AND WATER the "Many customers to one satellite" (old way) does NOT apply and therefore does NOT cost any more. -- What does cost is the production of so many satellites and rocket ship launches to put them up in space and so to get as much money for funding as quickly as possible they charge more money to those customers that are "different" using that "different" excuse to charge more. Those satellites are NOT doing anything different to ocean connections as they are to land connections. --- Great video, thank you.

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50w↑6

I was going to add the same comment, Starlink satellites are at a much lower orbit, which is why internet latency (ping rate) is much better than old geostationary satellite internet. If I remember correctly geostationary orbit is ~36,000 km above the earth; I think Starlink orbits at 550 km? So with such a low orbit, they have to speed around the planet orbiting earth once every ~1.6 hours. They have to put a bunch up there anyways to always have satellites over land so why not treat the ocean like a regular day of internet seeing as there are satellites there anyways, not like there are a tonne of people overloading the connection between satellites over the ocean. I agree, this seems more like a method to recover infrastructure costs.

EDIT: Change geosynchronous to Geostationary

Patraic

50w↑4

So the sooner starlink needs to get the idea that cruisers are a bonus source of revenue to the fixed land based customers.

Michael Grindstaff

50w↑1

So...I think that there are far fewer users to satellite that covers the ocean areas...so...it costs more per user. If these near shore users are part of the on land group...then the maritime service has even fewer users. Because there are a finite number of boats in the world that would pay for this service...having those near shore users act as if they are on land...undermines the potential profitability of the maritime service. All of this has to be paid off by itself within a certain amount of time and make money before the end of life for the maritime satellites. This is why they are doing this.

Stealth Bob

50w↑7

The one thing not mentioned, the inter satellite links are not established in a meaningful way, so the down link is a possible bandwidth limiting issue. No ground stations out there so everyone is sharing the limited available downlinks.

Nelson Diaz

50w↑7

@Michael Grindstaff The Starlink Sats "don't know" there are no customers in the oceans, not more, not less....Starlink sats just have to cross the oceans no matter if there are zero customers. The HAVE to circle the Earth.

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Five Minutes of Nature

48w↑4

I remember when going on a sailboat meant getting away from the internet.

Tirzah Magenta

47w↑1

You explained it all so well, thank you.

Vince

50w↑6

Tim, you do a really good job of communicating. Well done!

Rauf Bolden

50w↑2

You are doing an amazing job, keeping us informed, especially about Starlink.

Mike Welker

50w↑2

Tim, beware turning your dish on/off. If you 'land' in a country where service isn't offered, you might not reconnect.

Bill L

49w↑2

god i remember getting my ass beat for the first time in my life for a MASSIVE text message bill my parents got
that was back when cellphones came in their own suitcase 😂

Mike

50w↑10

Thank you for the most reasoned brief on what's happening, that I've seen so far. And I don't expect a better one, anytime soon.
Experience definitely enables us to take a broader and longer view of events. In my own case, this ability took far too long to develop! ;)

mmmpisghetti

48w↑1

I got that email.... I'm a TRUCK DRIVER. I couldn't sail anywhere if i wanted to!

Mike Mc

50w↑2

Well done, as always. Thanks for doing the digging and the honest (and spot on!) explanation of what it all means.

flip couvillion

50w↑14

Anyone here remember pagers? In the beginning only ER doctors could afford them. Before they became completely obsolete they offered unlimited text for about $8 a month.

s vernie

50w↑1

Remember VHF radio tel service .. my trucks all had the,..

RonKris

46w↑1

I remember 8 track tapes....

s vernie

46w

@RonKris I remember roadsides festooned like buntings with jammed tapes ... sitting for hours in a sleeper rewinding them along with the 4 tracks..

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Alex Kunze

50w↑1

I was under the impression that the small dishy is NOT authorized for in motion use. Regardless if you change your plan.

mrdan2898

46w

That's not too bad! Yes it's expensive! But there are options that can be enabled/ changed anytime. I don't see an issue other than the massive price for the mobile usage option.
I do look forward to Starlink dropping in price and see the massive use to sailors!

TobyDK91

50w↑6

It's one of the best use cases for their product. I can't believe they would make it this difficult/expensive to use it that way. If i was Starlink i would do everything to prove they power of my product.

Bang Bang Bang

49w

You need to see that Elon Musk just cares about bringing in tons of money from his customers while him and his company is always focused on government money (Tesla tax credits, SpaceX competing with NASA, etc)

Adrian Speight

49w

How much does it cost per Gb? That makes the difference between it being extortionate and the price of a burger. I get 6Gb a month on my smartphone plan. How much would that cost me?

Jaime Duncan

47w

There are many reasons, including the fact that they need to provide land users that are using the service according to the contract, and minimal bandwidth to comply with the regulation for the frequency lease.

ron black

46w

@Bang Bang Bang well he has spent megatons of money on the system and they are not yet breaking even . so there is nothing greedy about it. they have like a million customers so far. that's only maybe 150 million/ month . yet it costs like 15 billion to put the system up . and they have operating costs as well . spcex6 has over 6000 employees.

Paul Campbell

46w

Have yourself an emergency on the ocean, where the starlink is the only way to ask for help and you get "We're sorry, but because we are greedy your service is disabled." Then put that out to the press.

The Digital Mermaid

50w↑8

The call-back to the cell-phone and internet of the late 90s/early 00s was really insightful, and accurate.

Amy Rhoderick

50w↑1

yep

TheThunder005

49w↑1

Switch on/off billing is simple, Starlink made it when you switch on, it converts your entire month to the new plan for the month, even if you turn it off.

jr104494

49w

I'm glad you brought up the 'infrastructure' bit. Starlink is going to try to recoup their investment $$ as quickly as possible, and who better to recoup it from than the ppl who most benefit from the service (ppl most willing to pay the premium)....sailors and other adventurers.

Jeffrey Maura

48w

There are islands in the Bahamas that they missed! Some people are getting this message now saying people living on land are in fact according to Starlink are in the ocean!

Inq On That

50w↑9

I liked your video and learned a few things about billing options. I just have the static land version at the moment. I did want to comment on how Starlink works in relation to your comment about out in the ocean. It doesn't really cost them more, but it is a limited resource (at the moment). Two things are going on: (1) There are pretty much the same number of satellites over any given latitude at any one time. IOW, there are just as many serving over the mid Atlantic at 40.7 degrees latitude as there are over New York city. Since there are no users out there (relatively speaking) the satellites have really nothing to do. Having anybody hitting one would be just free money to them. (2) BUT...over land, when you browse to some site, it goes to the satellite and then directly back down to a ground station then to the site. At mid-Atlantic, that satellite that is serving the boat, can't see the ground station. It must relay to one or more other satellites to finally reach the ground station. So... you are using more resources for your connection out in mid ocean. The problem is... the first generation of satellites did NOT have this relay capability. It is my understanding that the first ones that did are the ones launched on a polar orbit out of Vandenberg in California... and there are very few of those satellites comparatively, but enough to handle the current high-end ocean customers (and the military). As time goes on, all the satellites are supposed to have that capability and hopefully there will be no reason for high costs, except to gouge what the market will bare.

ron black

46w

it's not gouging. i hate how people think a business making money is evil. NO people expecting free stuff is EVIL. consumers are the biggest parasites around. like blaming oil companies for global warming. absolutely wrong. it's the users not the suppliers that cause the problem

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R Fletcher

49w↑22

Starlink is shooting itself in the foot for the needless extortion of sailors.

jwstolk

49w↑7

$250 still sounds cheap compared to alternative ocean internet solutions.

terry Sullivan

48w↑2

It is an extremely small % of Star link's business, and the extra $ 100 / month seems trivial, but they can charge whatever they want. I think the $ 100 / month is a bargain for connectivity and it's safety.

Adam D

48w↑1

The need is there, this satellite network costs an astronomical number to jettison over oceans, its fair to ask for more from the few who will be saving A LOT not using the next best option.

Jaime Duncan

47w↑1

what extortion, the no mobile was in the terms and conditions from the beginning and the service is super cheap compared with traditional satellite options. Starlink has to warranty fast bandwidth for the land customers in order to comply with federal regulations related to the frequency lease. The terms are not changing they are being enforced. Starlink is a massive undertaking like no other in the history of space exploration besides Apollo, not the GPS nor the international space station required as many launches. The fact that some people are so entitled that they feel abused because the terms and conditions are being enforced is stunning.

ron black

46w

nope it's not extortion. what did you use before starlink? on the ocean - nothing. you can go back to that. so far starlink loses money so they need the revenue. they don't have amazon to fall back on.

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Thomas Taylor

50w↑4

Very well presented Sir. Competition not only brings price reduction,it creates new business,ideas,technology,etc.

Wesley W. Terpstra

50w↑2

You're right that infrastructure for boats costs more, but for the wrong reasons. Starlink satellites are not in geosynchronous orbit. So they MUST have enough satellites to cover the ocean, just to get good coverage on land. ie: each satellite goes all the way around the Earth, so you need to fill that ring with enough satellites that your target service area is always covered. However, Starlink satellites can communicate with three things: your dishy, a ground-based access point, and each other. To service the land, the dishy sends to the satellite which sends to the ground-based access point. On the ocean, there is no ground-based access point, so instead, your dishy talks to the satellite which talks to a satellite which talks to a satellite which eventually reaches a ground-based access point. So to service requests on the ocean takes significantly more power and bandwidth than over land.

Joseph Place

50w↑4

I just got my Starlink with a Roam/Mobile Regional service for my boat on Lake Ontario. This works for what I am doing since not on the Ocean. The option for the mobile priority that allows for use in motion and on the water is like double to cost and only 50GB. The Canadian price I see is $320. As Tim says this will all change. So stay awake!

Stealth Bob

50w↑1

W T

50w↑4

Hope all is well. I'd help if iI could. And yes, starlink's new plans do sound like the early days of cellular.

jcoghill2

50w↑4

I don't understand why they can't pick a price and throw all these gimmicks out the window. People are looking for less complexity in their lives especially boaters. Being away from internet is always a good thing whether you thinks so or you don't. Being away from TV news is as well. You'll find a complete personality change takes place and that is also why we go sea. Don't mess all that up with complex gimmicks.

Daisy

50w

Some people need to work, and all sailors need access to weather stations, etc.

Jason Grinnell

50w

It’s simple, don’t buy it. The maritime is affordable enough. $2,500 equipment and $250 a month. Think about how much everyone spends on smart phones.

machinech

48w

Because, like many businesses today, they aren't trying to sell you a service. That's the just the hook. They're simply looking to make money. Anything you get out of it will be minimal, price hiked, and necessary by their estimations because that is considered "good business" these days. If they could give you nothing and charge you for it, they would.

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T W

50w↑2

Please consider doing a video on sailboats for tall folks. 6' 5" and good luck finding a boat with headroom and a berth long enough to sleep well in. Thanks.

s vernie

46w

my late brother had same problem

ZERO MIKE FOXTROT

50w↑1

I got starlink because I wanted to support what he is doing at starbase, the idea of rockets taking off from boca chica is just so cool and now I feel in a very small way that I'm part of it

Cam R

50w↑1

I think you need to compare it to the satellite mega Yacht prices and services. And you can see why starlink is raising prices to be similar. Why would they want to give it away

Anima Pulcra

50w

Two thoughts from me:

A) VAT collectors and copyright holders have expressed their concerns as well.

B) As I see it this is it: StarLink is stuck with its cost structure.

Jean-Francois Mezei

49w

tyvandm

50w↑24

Regarding cost over sea vs over land - Starlink is very different from satellite internet before. The satellites are not geosynchronous!!

That means they are not stationary over an area; instead they use a vast network/constellation of little and relatively inexpensive satellites all zipping around and communicating with each other. This means that the coverage at sea is mostly just "accidental". Of course they are happy to proved service (and collect revenue) by supplying internet to boats at sea. But those satellites would be there regardless even if they only wanted to provide internet to land.

So no, it is not more expensive for them to provide internet to boats. They just know that people with boats are more likely to accept a higher price tag.

I've been waiting to see what happens with starlink to see if I get it. Thanks for testing the waters for the rest of us!

Bryant Arms

50w↑5

From what I understand:
The number of starlink satellites over any latitude is effectively constant. But, they need to relay each other's signals to one that is over a ground station. Apparently that becomes more difficult as the amount of satellites that need to relay signals increases. That and the capacity of ground stations seem to be what's limiting starlink for a lot of regions. Also, some jurisdictions are preventing ground station installations.

John Magnan

50w↑3

I can't even begin to imagine how much this infrastructure is costing. Heck the rocket launch alone. What is it like 15-20 satellites per launch? Like Bryant mentioned all the ground stations needed. I'm pretty sure Starlink is operating at a loss right now. Now Amazon is wanting to put their own version of starlink in the sky. Me personally could get by with the $250 plan on a boat. I'd be mainly just be using it for weather updates, and doing research on how to fix problems that come up on the boat if I can't figure it out. 50Gig should be plenty of data for that. Last time I did the cruiser life style there was no civilian internet and GPS was unaffordable. Yah I'm old!

Smilesm1a2

50w↑3

We used to use iridium in The antarctic those plans were something like 5k a month for 10gigs 250$ sounds like a bargain

Regal2800

50w↑1

Traditional marine satellite internet is still insanely expensive. $250 a month for the speed starlink offers is a great price.

R Fletcher

49w

The issue is the service there doesn't seem to be a difference between the service offered on land or at sea? So the only reason for the higher cost is it seems a bargain against other existing options.

Regal2800

49w↑1

@R Fletcher Technically the marine starlink panel is higher latency, but yes you are right. He is charging more because comparatively speaking it's still a 'great deal." While I understand how his pricing might seem unfair, his service is still far better and cheaper than his competition so I still view it as a "win."

Skipjack Sailing

50w↑1

Thanks for this timely video. I was planning on getting Starlink (thinking it was to be at $130/mo) in just a few months.
Well done.

Tracey Gibson

50w↑2

I think the land-based Roam plan is all non-priority. The new plan gets you the certain amount of priority internet. When that runs out it goes ack to the same speed you get from Roam. I would think unless you are moored near a city, you won't notice much of a speed drop because traffic will be low. I don't have it so I could be wrong. But I am looking to pick it up soon and will get the $250/mo plan. We still work from the boat and it is worth the cost to us at this time.

Marina Batham

49w

Thank you. This is the best explanation I have seen yet!

Thomas Steiner

50w

Pay as you go 2 EUR per GB on the ocean is still a steal compared to all other SAT providers. I am happy they found a reasonable solution for sailors. We all knew the TOS.

Robert Drappo

49w

Looks like my previous speculation is true, unfortunately. I just got an email from Starlink offering $600 off the $2500 Dishy, and it states that the expensive Dishy is the only one authorized for in motion use. That really sucks.

Regal2800

50w

starlink maritime is the option for $250 a month for 50gb. it goes up depending on bandwidth.

Joe M

50w↑5

We received a email 4 months ago from Starlink (ground based) saying our service will be cut back because we use to much data (2 seniors with IPads on most of the time and internet TV so we were sometimes using 1T an month so we cut back on our usage to prevent our service from being downgraded. Yesterday we received a email saying that our service will not be downgraded and we can use as much data as we want anytime peak or off peak times as well our monthly cost will be going down and if we want we can buy a additional dish for 20% ($1000) of what we paid for our present dish. It’s all a bit confusing just like Twitter 🤪

s vernie

50w↑1

we did too , and it's our getaway cabin at lake ..

Dan Akan

50w↑4

I’m a civil engineer and my first job out of college (late 1990’s) was building cell phone sites in the NYC metro area. This was back when they charged $0.35 per minute. There was a cell site in lower Manhattan making $250,000 in revenue PER MONTH! You couldn’t build the sites fast enough for the carriers. They didn’t care what it cost just get it done.

Vojtěch Pavlík

45w

The reason why Starlink is doing that is that their satellite mesh is fed the data by ground stations. They cannot have any ground stations in the ocean, so getting the data there requires many more hops between satellites and loads the mesh significantly more than a typical ground usage. (The low earth orbit satellites are always orbiting at high speed, so there are no satellites above a certain location permanently.)

Cinema Ipswich

50w↑5

Starlink has just deployed a set of "high Earth orbit" (instead of the common low Earth orbit) satellites. They are further away with a bit of time lag. There are only a few of them and they were deployed for airlines, ocean-going freighters and cruise ships. They are huge, compared to the earlier version.

Araye

49w↑2

these satellites are for (what we call) backhaul functions. they are not used by the subscribers on the ground.

HVM

48w

Both 1.5 and V2 minis have laser links, also so few of V2 have been deployed that, those can't really yet to make difference in coverage. And 1.5 and V2 are near same orbital height. There are V2s in 950 km orbit but those are for SDA e.g. military coms.

William Munger

50w↑1

Very level headed expiation of the current situation! Thanks

John Magnan

50w↑1

In all honesty the plan the YouTube content creators will need costs $1000/month fot 1T of data. I just don’t see that happening for most cruisers. The roaming plan which used to be the RV plan was geofenced supposedly to a specific area. US citizens for example could drive the RV all over the continental US and into Canada and Mexico. But they never enforced it which is why all the cruisers bought it. Well it was good while it lasted.

Bruce Mac Sr.

50w

That was really a great explanation. Thanks. Send it to all the macro econ teachers you know. It's all in there: supply and demand, elasticity of demand, competition, fixed costs, variable costs, monopoly power, government regulations, and of course avarice. And much more. Oh, also the historical perspective, And maybe send it to the engineering. Heck, put the whole thing on the internet. Oh, yeh. It is. Never mind.

Sean O'Neil

49w

Your channel is a gem, and I'm so happy to have found it!

Question: For a person who doesn't know how to sail but spent many years on the ocean, what would you suggest would be a good way to learn how to sail? Should I get a tiny catboat or sailing dinghy or maybe try to get paid lessons from the locals/coast guard? (Currently located in Ketchikan, AK, so kinda remote).

Thanks ahead of time! Fair winds, and following seas.

Shorttimer

50w

I was under the impression that Starlink normally needs one satellite to connect the customer to the web, but as the customer moves away from the base stations it takes additional satellites to relay the connection.

Edit: Early cell phone usage also involved roaming charges, due to the early limited areas covered by the local cell phone company having to pay other local companies to connect their customers to the phone network. More resources required more expense.

Emily35

50w↑1

Mike M

50w

The satellites will be over the ocean regardless but the uplink stations will be more limited and this is probably whats limiting their communications bandwith. Get the users hooked and then get them to pay more for their addiction.

Father William

50w↑4

I know the $250 a month for only 220MBps seems expensive to folks who have gotten used to sub $100 per month Gigabit terrestrial broadband in urban areas. But sailors at sea have been paying around $100 per month for Iridium Go service that has a 2.4 kbps (no that's not a typo) data rate that reminds me of my childhood CompuServe dial up. I think sooner rather than later, Starlink will treat RV's and Sailboats the same and allow the RV service to be used within a couple miles of the coast as long as they are "stationary", meaning anchored or in a marina. The easiest way to do it would just be to geofence the unit when you power it on with a rule that says something like, "the service works only within 250 meters of the powerup location". Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Leggo My Ego

50w

You're assuming that Starlink doesn't go out of business. I think it's going to go bankrupt just like Iridium originally did.

Andy Kopac

50w

I was doing the Puddle Jump when this went down. Just had passed thru the ITCZ. I’m not too concerned. I use WINLINK pretty heavily and have a WiFi and cellular long range extender onboard. I almost felt like starlink was a crutch for some beginning offshore cruising. It’s not perfect in medium seas. It needs a good power supply. Cheap inverters don’t cut it. I’ll shut down starlink until it all settles down I was fighting getting it anyway, and it sucks up so much time surfing. On the other side there were a couple offshore incidents recently where Starlink was a big aid for resolution.😎

Jason C

50w

Curious what will happen to those of us using it on the northern lakes

Robert Drappo

50w↑1

I use Starlink at my house, but I have the mobile package because it was available immediately, and residential was a two year waiting list. Odd, considering it’s the same equipment. Anyway, I just went into the app and looked at the mobile option for use on the ocean, and it says “In motion use supported with approved hardware.” Does that mean you have to buy the more expensive Dishy to use it at sea?

callmebigpapa

50w↑3

Another work around that might help some is to setup a Raspberry Pi and run Jellyfin on it with modest sized SSD ~2gb and store all of your media backups for your own off grid boat based Netflix !

Tim Hayward

50w

I do this with my phone and a 1tb sd card.

callmebigpapa

50w

@Tim Hayward Thanks for sharing that too !!! You could cable connect with an OTG cable for a larger drive but I really like the simplicity of your setup plus you could just have multiple 1gb sd cards !

Bang Bang Bang

49w

2GB for "hosting your own Netflix"? How's that going to work when that's barely 3 movies at 700mb each.

callmebigpapa

49w

@Bang Bang Bang Haha ....correct I meant 2tb ...... most of the compressed movies are 1.2gb with still pretty good quality probably get about 150 movies on a 2tb...give or take

R. William Comm

47w

Musk & Starlink has the option to provide service to everyone but IMHO they’re trying to first harvest the huge price paid by a commercial ships. There’s a way to tell the difference. Hopefully they take that step & let regular sailors get regular internet at an affordable price.

Willywonka321

50w

I tried to warn people that the were violating terms of service but "no, I was wrong"

vbjoker

50w↑2

What did you think was going to happen? There is always, always a premium to pay if you really want things.

mofoq

50w

sounds like they could also make a plan that automatically "switches-on/switches-off" 🤔

JCW

50w

It's only and ever all about moving the money in your pocket to their pocket.

Jose Pedro Espinosa

50w↑5

Here in Chile, today, Starlink Chile is offering a maritime plan worth Ch$257,411 (Chilean peso) per month, that is, US$320.21, with equipment worth Ch$2,536,000, which is equivalent to US$3,153.84.

Leggo My Ego

50w↑1

Here in the US the maritime plan costs $250 a month now, so you're being ripped off due to exchange rates.

jwstolk

49w

@Leggo My Ego Starlink prices are different in each country, depending in local internet prices. I'm paying about $70 for (non-mobile) Starlink in the Netherlands.

SV Otter

50w↑1

Hey Tim, thanks for your quick response to this recent news. Always appreciated. Cheers.

Shadows and Fire

48w

As a kid I watched startrek and and wished I had a communicator and when the motorola startac 3000 dropped in the 90s i said to my mate look this is literally the startrek communicator from 15 years ago and we just both sat there spinning out that what we watched as kids is now a reality, now i look at today and see the replicators as 3d printers from digital to physical in minutes, i cant wait to see where we will be in 50 years, BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!!!

Allyn Onderdonk

50w↑1

When you switch plans you have to wait out the rest of your billing cycle to switch back in most cases. That's what I've heard...so you can't just switch willy nilly whenever you want without a penalty period...I think there might be an internal tier system to that governs how quickly you can switch.

MrJhchrist

50w↑1

I remember getting a $25,000 cell phone bill once while on the first ever unlimited plan, lol. Wonder how long before a family forgets to turn off their dish and the kids blow through a few terabytes at $2/gig?

rich ames

50w↑1

Wow! I thought our $1200 bill was outrageous. I work on the road all week, so we got my wife the free nights and weekends plan. They changed her plan without notifying us, so she was calling me every night for a couple of weeks thinking it was free. We got the bill dropped, because the contract stated that although they had the ability to change the plan, they had to notify you in writing prior to doing so.

Join the CrowdfundCrew

50w

Fun with newer technology. The maritime seems a huge jump for most people. The mobile plan doesn't seem too bad for the where available - just need to remove the caps. Good luck with the bleeding edge right now.
Donate for a Dream

Luddite Mechanic

45w

The Starlink knows where it is because it knows where it isn't

wisenber

50w

The difference between early cell phones and this is that other providers existed in the same markets.
Starlink spent billions to offer speed and service no one else does.
Until low earth satellites are commoditized, the cell phone model doesn't apply.
Plus, as you noted, those sim cards have boundaries with different prices attached.

I'm all for a good price, but I also get when there's only one game in town.

Roads of Europe

45w

For the sake of being correct, for Starlink it doesn't matter if a station is landbased or movable. The costs are the same. That satélite has to pass everything anyway and is already up there. It's just cashing in to the situation for Starlink.

Carl Dombrowski

50w

Besides wanting to get more money out of wealthier customers, there's also the issue that on land, the satellite you use will connect directly to a nearby ground station. On the ocean, multiple satellites are needed to route you to a ground station.

Scott

50w

There is a specific package for ships and a lot of sailors are using the mobile base station indented for campers. I'm sure there is some opportunistic pricing going on here on the part of Starlink but this isn't just that. TCP packets ping back and forth, when the packet fails or you fail to get a confirmation, the internet keeps sending it over and over again. So using the wrong service causes more packet problems and you are resending again and again and clogging up the entire network. The sailing package prices in the extra bandwidth you use, and the hardware adjusts faster to reduce the package loss. So again, they may be gouging you on the cruising plan but there is something real behind it all.

Ralph Crenshaw

50w

The Starlink terminal uses the same radio spectrum used by geosynchronous (GEO) satellite feeder links and a regulatory framework is needed to enable this. This framework is embodied in international treaties and US regulations and international treaties. The minimum spacing between GEO satellites is 2.5 degrees so the Starlink terminal electronically steers the beam to avoid interference with GEO satellites. The Starlink terminal is classified as portable so when in use it is not in motion. For mobile operation insuring that interference doesn’t occur requires that the beam be steered to within about 1 degree. So the owners of the geosynchronous satellites are in opposition and their concerns must be addressed. About 160 countries, the operators of the networks, and the users of these networks meet to resolve issues. When something new comes along, such as Starlink, they need to overcome the concerns of this community. And all of this may need to be revisited as the satellite constellation expands and the number of terminals increases.

David Loewen

50w

Being on the ocean requires use of the new V2 Starlink satellite which can communicate sat-2-sat via laser. There are not very many of these launched yet. So service is limited. Near shore the v1 says can directly communicate with ground. I doubt these expensive rates will last more than a few years.

WillN2Go1

50w

We're currently sailing international,ly in Taiwan for the past two weeks. First, no Starlink in Taiwan. (worked great in Vietnam, the Philippines and during the passages between.) I got the message you got. Said I was using Starlink for the previous 30 days outside my continent. So $150 Roaming to $250 Mobil Priority 50/gig. We expect that as soon as we're out of Taiwanese waters it'll work again.
$250/month for crossing the Pacific is no problem at all. But when I get back home in California? I'll want to get back to the cheap plan. Some Starlink options say there's no going back.... I can't see them sticking to this. My alternative would be to turn off Starlink instead of spending $250/month (+$75/month for my house connection - unlimited.)
And yeah, I end up confused by all the names for stuff.
Amazon is a big company and they have a rocket subsidiary Blue Origin -- but they have yet to put a rocket into orbit. So how are they going to compete with Space X?

Egidijus Nasevičius

50w

This episode is brought to you by Elon. And paid by Starlink users. :)

Elliott Scott

50w

I think this was a well thought out summary and analysis.

Anthony Rosa

48w

If it's only email you could get your ham licence and use Winlink to send your email. Not secure but it gets the messages out.

Em Mengel

50w

This is why I've opted not to have starlink. They could eat the cost for another 5 to 10 years at the RV or land base price and still make money.

cidertom

50w

International treaties and agreements may be playing a part a well. Many governments set excise taxes on communications originating in their AOR even when they have nothing to do about it. imarsat has to pay some fees to other governments based on users. I don't know what if any agreements are in place on this service. Governments frequently increase prices when technology has good things to sell.

David Wartofsky

50w

My guess is this may be due in part to international “landing rights” for satellite services.

Basically as I recall, the space over a country is considered “sovereign” up to some altitude. So communicating from space to the ground crosses those vertical national boundaries.

My wild speculation is nobody cared until those governments realized they could tax it, and therefore restricted it, until they negotiate a deal w provider.

For example some countries consider certain satphones illegal. Usually because they are trying to force those under their own laws to use that governments licensed networks.

westmc45

50w↑1

I bought my starlink here in Mexico its 1350 pesos per month which is about $72 a month and 40 pesos per GB which is about $2.00 per GB
so for me its cheap

6 Minute Media

50w

Great explanation. I'm grizzly enough to remember very early cell days. We are on a journey no doubt.

Michael Walters

50w

I had been curious about the Starling service for maritime use. I see a lot of the land based systems. I have to agree on the paying for infrastructure aspect and billing models. Very similar to the cell phones, text messages and long distance calling scenarios. Thanks for sharing.

Tx240

50w

The issue with Starlink is that the infrastructure was front loaded. The satellites are up and are traveling around the earth already. There's no functional reason to charge boaters more than land users, other than Elon feels anyone cruising around the world can afford it. Sadly, many people who would be perfect candidates for Starlink service are cruisers on a tight budget.

Again, the Starlink satellites are so revolutionary because they are not in geosynchronous orbit. They don't orbit the earth in a fixed position. They are lower and traveling around the earth. A land based user is using multiple satellites. Instead of driving between cell phone towers, it's like the cell phone towers flying past you and your phone (or the Starlink receiver) connects to the next one before dropping the current one.

A sailboat, even a fast catamaran is only traveling maybe 25 mph. The Starlink satellites are cruising at a cool 17,000 mph. What's the effective difference of zero mph (a land based "home" user) to an 8 mph (more reasonable sailing speed) ocean user compared to the satellite's 17,000 mph. Elon isn't putting up extra satellites to handle sea service and sea service isn't stealing from land service throughput because it's different satellites, while at the same time being the same satellites (remember the cell phone towers flying past analogy).

Michael Walters

50w

@Tx240 I see your point . I must admit, plenty of this feels like a cash grab. I thought the same about the text message thing. And it may we'll be. I also know that those rockets and the fuel they consume were not cheap to build or refuel, nor were the satellites cheap to design and manufacture. It's not like they took Bluetooth speakers from Walmart and shot them into space with some kids hobby rocket. I think some day in the future as the tech becomes more mainstream you will begin to see $35 a month basic packages like modern cell phones. I am no expert, just an honest opinion. As pre-loaded as the tech deployment may have been it was more then likely built with and still financed by leveraged assets somewhere. I cannot therefore disagree with the cost of services.The infrastructure may be there, but it is still being paid for. Just an opinion mind you.

Jamie Weyndling

46w

I was using the 50Gb plan but the way Starlink is metering the data usage is terribly wrong. I apparently “used” my 50 Gb in only a few days despite not doing anything except email and a bit of web browsing. No video streaming or downloads! Something very wrong with their system. However, it worked well with the original RV dishy. I didn’t have to upgrade to the new antenna.

M R

50w↑3

Sometimes it makes sense to be unplugged. I know that people need the internet for work but I appreciate moments when I don't have access to the web.

s vernie

49w

in a way it's what offshore is all about, however, there are those that need the security of being infinitely connected like an umbilical..
Tech is moving forward at a fast pace, so options are opening up .. and then there is the peace and quiet offered by the on-off switch..

Dmitri

50w

Aren't we supposed to buy the new high performance equipment for the "Ocean " plan?

Neil Chapman

50w

Great work Tim thanks :)

Jonathan B

49w

I 'kind of' agree with you: I expect that 'in time' Starlink will offer EVERYONE a mobile plan - there will be no more stationary 'home' system. If you have a system, then you will have an inclusive mobility plan. As you suggest, as Starlink improves its constellation and matures, with higher-speed units/satellites, these plans will tend to stabilize. Thanks for the video :0)).

Ty B

49w

250 a month for high speed internet on the ocean is a steal. The maritime option prior to this was like 5-10k month and the fact they knowingly let folks use residential on ocean was just a gift to the cruising community. 50G limit with 100 month for every 50G after that is reasonable. My recommendation: starlink while in ocean or on hook without cell and use your cell when you have coverage.

David Warnes

50w↑22

The biggest reason for the starlink changes ,, is that us boaters found a great loophole and had the world, but instead of staying quiet they went shouting and bragging on every media
N.a. na na , and here we are , the secret is out and the loophole will close,

Paul Kopp

50w↑6

Or , the loophole was placed like a baited hook .

David Warnes

50w↑1

@Paul Kopp look at the sailing world compared to van livers , its a tiny market , the amount of live aboard that actually move country to country is a fraction of less than0 .25% of 1% the population ,, so no more like he didn't evan think about sailing , and still doesn't, but one of his staff read whats happening , for get live aboard, most don't leave there local area so not effected

MICS & Ohana Volleyball

50w

@Paul Kopp Yep people rushed out and bought hardware who were going to by now....

MICS & Ohana Volleyball

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@Paul Kopp Yep people rushed out and bought hardware who were going to by now..

David Warnes

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@MICS & Ohana Volleyball still loads will buy , its still a great deal ,

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William M.

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Love the videos - I could be wrong, however my understanding is that because Starlinks satellite network is a gigantic mesh of eventually thousands of satellites - this means that their hexagon coverage is always global. So, in theory, unless Starlink factored in a "cool down" phase when their boxes are flying out of coverage of land , across giant stretches of the ocean - and this logistically affects them ( I doubt it) - then logically the cost of full ocean coverage ought to be fully free, or very very very cheap for starlink to provide. The network is going to be flying over the oceans anyways, and due to the lower altitude of the network compared to older satellites like dish, it means they will be working - with no clients to service.

You would think that starlink would want to get whatever $$ they can get out of the coverage they are providing, but some idiot in Corp billing probably equates boat = rich people, so charge atleast double.

This move definitely reeks of the early cell phone days, and might unfortunately increase since there really is not going to be a competitor with Starlink for a long while. The closest is OneWeb - the UK version of Starlink, but that is very limited as there are international agreements for who has coverage over what spot and what altitudes.

Shadows and Fire

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The entire idea of starlink is to have internet were it was previously unavailable, the more they charge the faster they can roll out, elon truly wants to further our civilisation and starlinknis part of that, as mentioned i think once infrastructure is covered and setup and competition start to roll out their low orbit satellite systems too cost will fall fast, early adoption has ALWAYS meant high cost and poor reliability in my experience will ALL Technology over the last 50 years, I paid $850 240gb for a pcie ssd that would do 1500Mb/s read 1250Mb/s write at 120k IOPS in the days of SATA II and nowdays you can get that in a M.2 for 90 bucks with twice the speed and twice the storage space, as it progresses it will get cheaper, if you want the toys you have to pay to play

SV Lyoness

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Tim, for those of us Great Lake sailors, can we use the basic service? I see that the hardware prices have dropped. Where do you see hardware prices going? Thanks.