Daniel Kitson (born 19 June 1977) is a British stand-up comedian. Born in D… Read Full Bio ↴Daniel Kitson (born 19 June 1977) is a British stand-up comedian. Born in Denby Dale, Huddersfield in the north of England to a lecturer father and primary school head teacher mother, he began performing comedy at the age of 16.

He was nominated for the 2001 Perrier Comedy Award at the Edinburgh Festival at the age of 23 for his show Love, Innocence and the Word Cock eventually winning it in 2002, the year after, for the show Something.

As well as stand up, he has also written and performed "story shows". The first was A Made Up Story at the Edinburgh Festival 2003, followed with Stories For the Wobbly-Hearted at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival in 2005. The latter show opened at the Traverse Theatre for the 2005 Edinburgh Fringe Festival and won a Scotsman Fringe First Award. In 2006, Kitson took Stories For The Wobbly Hearted to the Brits Off Broadway Festival in New York. His latest story show, C-90, opened at the Traverse for the 2006 Edinburgh Fringe. It was awarded both a Fringe First and The Stage Award for Best Solo Show.

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zellfaze

3y↑77

I think I generally agree with what you had to say, and I appreciate the bit towards the ends where you say folks like me shouldn't be excluded from our movements. I think some of the criticisms you had apply more to liberal pacifists than leftist pacifists (ACAB).

For me it comes from a religious place primarily. I am a Buddhist and have taken vows of non-violence towards sentient beings. I won't help or participate in any violent actions, but I personally wouldn't condemn a movement or org over self defense. I have made personal vows, they are for me.

I think the distinction between people and property is very important in this conversation also, which I know you touched on, but I want to reemphasize. There is a world of difference between killing someone and burning down the local Wendy's.

I guess what I am saying is, to give an example, that if they don't convict Chauvin, I hope they riot in Minneapolis, but I also hope that nobody else gets killed. But you won't see me condemning BLM or any of the folks on the ground if it happens. I understand the situation.

Edit: Just want to also add because it was mentioned in the video, yes I am vegan. You, the reader, should be too.

Alena Kirillova

3y↑1

i was intrigued by the video's theme because 'but nonviolence is good, right?'

and it is, but in my experience (location: russia), government disrupts even extremely peaceful events. i remember that we* rented a place, it wasn't even in public, and organised a Live Library event - basically, people were playing roles of interactive books and you could ask all the questions you always wanted to know but was afraid to ask, or smth. there were lgbtqia+ people, vegans, activists, etc.
It wasn't even... anything, really, just an exchange of experience and talking.
Police came and disrupted the event, closing it.

I'm not even talking about protests.

*let's say 'we' but I wasn't an organiser, i was a book there

Edit: yep, I'd like for 'eating meat is violence' to sink in. Probably even sink in deep enough for people to do something about it. sighs

Edit2: Actually, that's pretty interesting, why aren't you against it? (animal products consumption & animal exploitation, the whole shebang) I've seen you talking about it in several videos as if it's ok.

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Soma's Academy

3y↑376

On the Indian independence movement, the most significant violent resistance was the 1946 Naval Revolt. It was actively condemned by Gandhi and the INC (as well as by members of the Muslim League), but it was a major factor in convincing the British to leave India, as they feared the possibility of even stronger violent resistance.

Victor Samuel Mosquera Artamonov

Also, same time period of WW2.

Somee Singh

2y↑4

In India the Quit India movement was also a violent movement.

Soma's Academy

3y↑22

@Myron Mason I agree, violence should never be initiated by protestors, it should only be retaliatory. That said, this goes toward my point about the Bombay Mutiny ultimately helping the independence movement more that Gandhi's non-violent movement, as it demonstrated the implicit threat of violence if the British did not concede to the non-violent movement's demands. Principled non-violent movements are given strength when there's a violent alternative for the powerful to be afraid of.

Myron Mason

3y↑5

But was the mutiny a full-fledged violent one? From reading about it it started out as a mass strike among all Indian navy men and quickly spread to other military and law enforcement personnel. They used common non-violent tactics like disobeying direct orders from the British, refusing to work, etc. Only when the British used violence in Bombay against the Indian Communist party, who were supporting the mutineers and protesters, did they retaliate and there were soldiers who refused to fire on anymore mutineers. 200 reportedly died and 1,000 were injured. It started out as non-violent and quickly became violent in the end. I think this is how all non-violence movements should be.

Ksenia V

3y↑59

I was a dedicated pacifist as a teenager, but it was a long time ago and Putin was in only his second presidency then. Living in Russia today, I see no opportunities for a big change other than a third revolution. Make no mistake, I'm not excited for it. When your future is either more senile dictators or a bloodbath, it's fucking scary and depressing.
P.S. I really appreciate not only the content, but the style of your videos. Your choice of visuals is creative and very expressive, and I especially love that you use various art.

Tommy Rizal

3y↑154

vital to worldbuilding, thank you for the inspiration on my next DnD campaign!

Gee I sure do I love roleplaying!

Nerdsammich

2y↑1

Sounds like a game I'd love to play in.

Sina

3y↑246

This is gonna be so useful for my story! :D

Also, a good alternative to the word "delusion" is "self-deception", as it might be a feature of certain mental health conditions

Andrewism

3y↑81

Good to know, thank you!

a

3y↑27

yeah, that was the only thing i wanted to mention

Theo Wild

3y↑174

I always worry I'll come across as a pacifist because I know that that kind of direct action isn't in my skillset. I recognize that it's a useful tool for liberation, but it's not one I can use. I'm more of a support class than a fighter, to lean on DnD-isms. But when I bring up that I choose to focus on the softer side of revolution, I feel like that can often come across as "we should /all/ focus on the softer side of revolution." That's the area where more of my knowledge and skills are concentrated, so when I talk to people about revolutionary strategies I always emphasize stuff about like skill sharing and sustainable community food sources and stuff because that's what I know how to talk about. I don't mean to be dismissive of violent tactics, but I'm still learning how to not sound like I am, ya know?

(This isn't meant to be me asking for somebody to tell me i'm a good little anarchist, just sharing my thoughts on the topic for that sweet sweet Engagement)

[edited to change language for clarity]

Chelsea Saoirse

2y↑3

Fighters are important, but a good cleric is the backbone of any successful adventuring party. ✊

Millicent Duke

3y↑6

One thing we were taught in the military that informs my writing to this day is that everyone’s first job in a militant organisation is soldier, everything else is a speciality. To the extent that it’s relevant to writing these kinds of stories, I think it well and truly highlights the fact that our protagonists all strap targets to their backs when they start to look like a threat to the Big Bad’s source of power and control, so they all must be able to fight back when set upon by the villain or their goons.

RobinTheViking

3y↑16

Others have said it, but yes, the most important part of any revolution is the support structures that keep people safe, connected, and fed. Violence is often necessary and unavoidable in our stories, but it is not the only valid form of contribution. Every tool in the writers toolbox has a purpose, and when used well, results in the best stories.

TezcatliV

3y↑14

I want to help, but I'm still a baby to this "writing" stuff myself. I have this abstract idea that I'm struggling to put into words. In wars (or just conflicts in general) there is much more to it than just a solider, for every troop their is a complex chain of logistics; like cooks to feed everyone, intelligence to inform, leaders to lead, grunts to do task, engineers to build, etc, etc. So instead of thinking about it as solely combat try to think bigger, like if blasting a fictional cop in the face is not for you, maybe starting a network to feed others is, or maybe something under the intelligence branch, like radicalizing others. The specific type of intelligence I'm referring to is underrated, because you cannot have a revolution without revolutionaries.
This all being said, to be a revolutionary is to be a doomed person. Conflict is inevitable for us writers, because whether be a cook or a solider you are still susceptible to oppression. If you really just cannot overcome the fear of being actively oppressed, you could just not revolt. Yeah it sucks but you don't really owe the world if you literally cannot write, some people are just unlucky to be born that way.

Kal L

3y↑27

Maybe explicitly shout out/express respect for those kind of actions? Ex, something like "I'm limited to speaking about nonviolent actions, because that's my experience, but what i find works is - ". It may still imply you're personally pacifist, but it implicitly acknowledges the validity of non pacifist actions.

Leavon Fletcher

3y↑131

"The first lesson a revolutionary must learn is that he is a doomed man". Huey P. Newton

ThingsareLikeable

3y↑63

"How Nonviolence Protects The State" really opened my mind. Great video!

Leavon Fletcher

3y↑179

"States aren't ruled by public opinion. Public opinion, by and large is ruled by states". Wow.

Autolycuse

2y↑5

good ol' manufacturing consent!

Joe Seph

2y↑5

Like how the USA runs fascist propaganda, especially here on YouTube, to keep people thinking in a capitalist bubble and accepting their loss of freedoms

lila gast

3y↑16

in german the term for violence ("gewalt") is also used for power / authority, for example in "staatsgewalt" which means state authority

Fargoth

In Yiddish it’s used to mean “goddamnit”

ArnaldoAlmira

3y↑23

Either I am actually smarter than I think or this kind of messaging has finally been simplified enough for someone as dumb as me to finally see the inherent systemic abuse of all human life that do not count in the eyes of those who create the class/patriarchal/racist gap. I’m happy with either because of the latter is true, then that means there’s hope.

deadshoes

3y↑52

This is exactly what i needed for my lib friends, its so hard living in imperial core and trying to explain that the riots were one mostly lied about and two theres actually nothing wrong with it
Edit: Your point on tactics and strategy is spot on and something ive been thinking about recently relating to left unity. Obviously ideological unity is nonsense but we need to move beyond tactical unity to a strategic unity for dismantiling capitalism before it dismantles the earth.

Victor Samuel Mosquera Artamonov

Fictionally you mean

Somee Singh

2y↑2

@Feri Goli humans r not stupid. V r very smart.
It is important to know about those countries. But rather than relying on info from Capitalists Imperialists and their hired academics one must do an objective analysis without the lies and deception of parasites and exaggerated boasting by people who lived in ML countries

Feri Goli

Also, we keep on arguing and arguing pointlessly about tactics and countries that dissolved 20 years ago. Even the fact that we still even are arguing about these petty things just shows how stupid the human race is

Feri Goli

2y↑3

I dont think we should fight ML’s. They are people that want social change, just like you. Fighting among ourselves will only damage us.

Somee Singh

@Oko MLs are the only ones capable of succeeding.

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Local grandparent

3y↑58

Damn I'm always so thankful for vids like this ... it makes me feel bad that I dont have the funds to support you on patreon but I'll continue liking/ commenting/sharing for now

Darwin Jones

3y↑9

Framing this as writing advice is what one might call a "pro gamer move"

Luddlow Vert (aka Clyde Cowley)

3y↑251

Awesome, now let's all get out there and Write Some Stories.

Dr. Gearswell

3y↑12

Writing q story now about a enby interior design student trying to design a modular sustainable farm that could be replicated in cities to help reduce dependance on corporatations like walmart

Doctor A. Snakeman

3y↑3

@Mae Dastardly, Formerly Wurm Good luck comrade, I've got my typewriter

Mae Dastardly, Formerly Wurm

3y↑19

I got my pen ready comrade

Hayao Kakizaki

3y↑72

"I don't condone violence"
Yeah man, me either.

Ben

2y↑1

@Hayao Kakizaki beans and tofu are delicious and cheaper than meat

Hayao Kakizaki

2y↑5

@Carlos Seamanduras Thanks for asking but I don't make 70k a year

Carlos Seamanduras

So you´re vegan, right??

Our Family

3y↑12

I don't condone violence I advocate for revalution

Chloe S

3y↑10

You really made me re-think my stance on violence in revolution or protest, thanks! That being said, there was a couple of moments where you seemed to devalue voting and that I disagree with. While it should be far from the only thing people should do, and we shouldn't be naive about its effectiveness, it is absolutely necessary and worthy of focus. We shouldn't rely on politicians to fix our problems or go as far as we want, but having people who believe (even remotely) in change does wonders for how easy it might be to set up alternative means. For example, conservatives in my gov (America) would and have make/made things waaaaay harder to implement. We need people in the government to facilitate activists work. Even if it only means they won't fight back as hard.

Myron Mason

3y↑13

Both MLK and Gandhi knew that violence is an alternative when no other option exists. This is why MLK never condemned rioting and understood why they happened and Gandhi believed that if the British could not be reasoned with, then a violent solution should be sought. But they both believed that a non-violent approach was the best path. I am a socialist and a pacifist and I have to defend myself against my fellow leftist when I tell them that I cannot kill another human being. While I strongly favor a peaceful approach to a socialist revolution, I will no longer condemn a violent approach if that is the only other option. But I cannot participate directly because of my pacifist beliefs, but I can still support the movement in the background. But even if I explain this I get called a "coward" and not a real "comrade".

Theo Lane

3y↑76

I came for the liberation, but stayed for the Bill Wurtz, and world building. =D

Miranda Beanz

3y↑11

Wait this blew my mind, I've just found your lessons and holy shit it's blowing my mind. I appreciate how you've made it digestible for a not highly educated person like me, thanks. I'll continue to learn from you, do you have any pointers to literature I should read?

Carson Pearce

2y↑2

Right!!
I never even considered anarchism as a thing sane people do, but now its totally rocking my worldview…
And its awesome!
So cool to learn new things that you never even considered possible.
Good luck on your path of learning!

Miranda Beanz

3y↑2

Wait I just read the drop down menu 🙏🙏🙏 thank you

Alternative

3y↑18

Thank you for the video. As a non-native speaker of English, there are bits in the video I didn't understand because you were talking too fast for my level of language skill. But thanks for the closed captions, they were immensely helpful!

marsz

3y↑12

ive been binging ur videos for a couple weeks now when doing chores or going for walks. i’ve shared ur channel with everyone from friends to conservative family members to coworkers to ahhh everyone! ur amazing and i truly appreciate all the hard work put into these vids. rly fueling my story. edit: and fueling my community’s story

knate44

3y↑11

I consider myself a pacifist largely for religious reasons, but I also understand that me saying nonviolence is the only way is merely projecting my fairly privlage view onto others. I would slow to condem Somone who killed in self defense, and slower to condem those who have been fighting oppression for years. While I think non violence, or at least less lethal violence (if the state considers idk, vandalism violence but no one is physically hurt go ahead) is the preferred and ultimately best approach to liberation, I understand that if you are in a position where you can choose to commit violence to prevent more violence, that is an extremely difficult call to make. I am not in the position to choose lesser evils, so long as you can acknowledge that it is at least a a little evil. Violence should never be the ideal solution, because then you have a hammer and everything will start looking like nails.

Karl Snarks

3y↑3

While I already accepted violence as an absolute last resort for the revolutionaries in my story, your video has me rethinking my worldbuilding, thanks. I don't think my main character will feel comfortable using it himself, but maybe I'll write him differently in later installments.

I do still believe that misplaced violence can definitely hurt movements though. Vandalizing and looting small businesses can make life worse for the people in the neigborhood who relied on them for employment, daily shopping or even the petit bourgeoisie owner (as i think petit bourgeoisie is sometimes sympathetic to working class struggle) and has no benefit, unlike violence against oppressors. But like you expressed in this video, so can misplaced non-violence.

Again, thanks for the writing tips :)

Brandi Prime

3y↑44

~15:30 I'm reminded of a quote I read in a story a friend of mine wrote where one of the side characters told a lib "Love can't trump hate without action." Gah. That was a zinger, lemme tell ya' what.

Dragoș

3y↑16

thank you saint andrew, my next fictional movement will be way better now!

Henrik Tucker

3y↑5

In D&D, violence can be used by all alignments from Lawful Good to True Neutral to Chaotic Evil so long as the violence aligns with the objective realities of the universe (I.e violence that is Good because it helps people is Good). I love this video's argument that Good characters can be actively (not reactively) violent.

Sumanadasa Wijayapala

How would a CN character with 18 Int and Wis behave?

Kes

3y↑8

On top of providing solid advice for my series, this video has such a relaxed vibe that it calmed me down enough to deeply contemplate some familiar ideas. Underrated!

Ian Schlom

3y↑6

Thanks for the video! Solid stuff!
I was hoping to play with these themes in an upcoming Traveller/Cepheus Engine campaign so this has been super informative.

Zach K

3y↑6

Thank you so much! I really appreciate how much research you put into your videos and how you include both the problems, approaches to solutions, and solutions. When it comes to solutions, I especially like how you talk about how different people should contribute what they're best at and always try to teach others so they can further the cause. I was wondering though, I am in like two Leftist servers (mostly communist) that are aimed at incorporating computer science as part of resisting the state and structural violence. At around 47:10 you mentioned how it's hard to coordinate, pool resources, and plan strategies. Do you think computer science websites/platforms can help decentralized movmeents achieve those goals (i.e. create a new digital space where people can work with other people to plan and communicate about upcoming violent actions AND where people of similar skills can help each other out or maybe teach new people their skills)? Thanks for the video again and I'd like to hear your perspective.

Carson Pearce

Im not an expert, but I’d say this is already happening to some extent.
You’re watching this youtube video, right?

Sorry I’m eight months late, but hey, I think that web development is a HUGE resource to resistance movements.

Its so new that its one of the few places that many states are, for now, having a little bit of trouble regulating.

Any contemporary characters would be wise to take advantage of this vulnerability in the state and capitalism before it disappears completely.

nerd teacher

3y↑10

Welp, I guess I'm going to continue just promoting videos from this channel. Beautiful work (on... the very clearly fictional world-building assistance)!

Isaac

3y↑10

I have a lot of writer friends who would be interested in this kind of stuff, I'll make sure to talk with them about it.

Teo Hamacher

3y↑1

;)

Teo Hamacher

3y↑3

yeah, realy great for world building

Josh Plays Drums

3y↑3

I always learn so much from your videos, I appreciate all the work you do and the heart you put it in. Always make me think about how I view world building and my creative writing <3

Jack Tensley

3y↑15

I needed to hear this, as a writer.

serenity6831

3y↑2

I'm glad for this video because I've always wondered why I felt such shame for my proclivity for more violent ways of thinking in terms of responding to capital terror, but tbh, it gets results

Droll Rambler

3y↑3

I appreciate this channel a lot. I think that there is a place for non-violent tactics but generally I'm in agreement with your message. I hope that we can change the structures of power with minimal destruction, but you're right that force is necessary to actually facilitate true change without it being co-opted by capitalists.

I'll be honest, never been in a fight here but considering we're headed towards climate catastrophe which will ruin the lives of hundreds of millions of people I may not have a choice. Good luck to you and I hope that your message gets heard.

seropia

3y↑2

THANK YOU! You literally made the video I wanted to make after reading Peter Genderloos books on Nonviolence as well! Essential reading!

Grandsome

3y↑7

The expression goes "speak softly with a big stick" you won't be listened to by your oppressors if they think you have no power.

Noah Spotten

This is super useful for my wordlbuilding! I have been trying to figure some things out for a setting that's a lot like our world, but good. This will also help in my fantasy epic, but it's a lifesaver for that first one.

Ti

I'm only halfway through the video, and I love this so far. A genuine critique on something many are terrified to criticize. And a real look on historical happenings that shaped our modern day world, that very few will discuss. I love that. However, I have to say before I forget, and I will admit if I am wrong here especially if you cover this later in the video, but one of your major points is how power structures are not only hurt, but are aided, by pacifism and nonviolent movements. But they can actually hinder power even more than violence, and simultaneously gain more support than a violent movement, and that is when the government tries to shun them. Hear me out. While the government has no conscience, people of lower, middle and even some in the owner class do. But that's not the point. It just means pacifism will gain support far more effectively than any other movement. Companies and the government, which run the economy, care greatly about economics. It's in the name of Capitalism, to capitalise, primarily on profits, and increase them everywhere. This is where the idea of civil disobedience comes in. Don't pay taxes like the owners don't, legally or not. Go on strike. Form unions, or join and support them. Boycott products and corporations. Actively shun those who do wrong and spread the word as much as you can, while simultaneously leaning as close to the truth as you possibly can and always take everything with a grain of salt. The problem is, propaganda keeps us divided. There's a reason they now have is convinced everything is at fault of "the other party". When we come together and realize we're all a little liberal and conservative on different things rather than wholely one or the other, or we just unite for a common goal, real change can be made. THAT is what they are afraid of. The owner class is built entirely on the foundation of the working class. And they have put a mind-boggling amount of effort into stopping, or at least delaying, the unity of the people, but movements are forming again. The masses are awakening from decades of misinformation, lies, coverups and propaganda.

Orion Rojas

3y↑1

I hope more people come across this video and it sparks something in their hearts. You definitely pushed me off the fence, thank you.

wolfganghammerfistheywood

2y↑1

Its funny, I remember a few years ago (circa 2015) there was some UK lecturer/philosopher whose works were considered highly controversial and were possibly banned for discussing individual right to violent action, I can't for the life of me find who it was despite 2 hours of searching the web.

I do like that there's very gradual growing awareness that the monopoly of violence is something that needs to be questioned though.

Leavon Fletcher

3y↑3

Awesome video! If pacifism didn't work for Neville Chamberlain, who was a head of state, how is it going to work for protesters who relatively have little power?

Allex Read

3y↑2

definitely going to use these tips while writing my story! thank you!

Bovely

3y↑2

this is a super helpful video!! its gonna help a lot with writing stuff for a fictional country im working on

innocent_fugitive

3y↑2

Okay, this is dense with knowledge, history and perspective—inspiring, educational—just all the things. But the way you said "Not really doh" to "Violence is alienating" made me burst out laughing. I think I went back like three times. Thanks for that.

No One

3y↑6

This is beautifully done.

Hero of the Beach

3y↑1

These are unfortunately also excellent things to think about when considering how your story's revolution might end in snarling disaster. 😬

Seriously, I'm writing a novel involving a failed revolution and these are good considerations.

Rohan DSouza

2y↑1

Great video! Non violence certainly helps the oppressors rather than the oppressed. In the Indian independence movement Gandhi was funded by Indian capitalists and his party was dominated by oppressive upper caste people. Therefore the status quo has more or less remained the same after years of independence with capitalists and dominant caste members still call the shots. Dr. Ambedkar, the leader of the oppressed castes and a brilliant mind, never trusted Gandhi and constantly challenged him.

Lucy Attackbot Licious

10 mins in and yeh this is great and useful, thank you for making this! I'm a white middle class quaker and quakers are generally known to tend to be keen on non violence - but most quakers in my country (UK) are white and middle class which, yeh, isn't the ideal lens for forming a good perspective on non violence. I've been looking for a video like this. Very helpful. Thank you.

zellfaze

3y↑47

Anarcho-pacifist here. Haven't watched yet, but will reply to this once I have. I am intensely curious what you have to say.

Edit: Want to make it clear that the above isn't a condescending comment, but one of genuine curiousity because I know how easy tone is to lose online.

Jared R

2y↑1

Im a pacifist also, but atheist so not religiously just based, just morally and practically. From the practical perspective, I don’t think it will ever be effective to use violence and I don’t think it is even possible with the military tech that even small town police have now. I agree with you about the criticism being more applicable to liberal/neoconservative movements. The biggest tell for me as to the utility of non-violence though, is every time the powers-that-be see a movement that they don’t like, the first thing they do is infiltrate it and try to instigate violence and urge/convince members to break laws. They desperately want you to be violent because that’s what they know how to deal with and it lowers the public’s sentiment and support for them. When your only tool is a hammer, you need your problems to be nails, and their tool is definitely violence. However, what they don’t know how to deal with is mass civil disobedience and non-violent actions as simple as blocking roads like they did in Australia recently. Strikes can also be very effective when done in mass. Just read the stories of COINTELPRO and you will notice the trend is always trying to turn the groups or its leader violent; they fear what they can’t control and non-violent disobedience is uncontrollable.

Alraune

3y↑7

@zellfaze its very heartening to hear your thoughts, and i feel the same. i think pacifism is a reasonable way of life and philosophy but requires the considerations of these points in this video, a different outlook and perspective, no condemnation of the violence necessary to liberate our characters in our fictional stories we write, i just can't do it myself for personal reasons, and would prefer if things never came to it. but it does, and thats okay. as long as our pacifist ideals arent helping harmful systems.

Hayao Kakizaki

3y↑15

I haven't taken any specific vows, but I feel this post deeply in my bones. I may be trying to seperate myself from violence but if someone throws some tear gas at me and there's an able bodied person to throw it back, who am I to stop them? We can still help in support roles. Healers are always needed.

___

3y↑19

Yeah, I felt like a lot of what the video was talking about was acutely applicable to liberal nonviolence that is weaponized against leftist movements. If you take that as the definition of nonviolence, then the video has a lot of great points, but if you just take it to simply mean abstaining from using physical harm, then the video's section names and arguments point towards that abstention as being a clearly inferior and bigoted method of acting.

I liked how it touched on diversity of tactics, and I get how "liberal nonviolence used to put down insurrection is statist" makes for a less striking section name. All in all, this was still a good video, I just wish it was more specific with the definitions.

zellfaze

3y↑77

Space Policeman Of Space

Working on my own project, glad to see some of the stuff I wrote lined up here. Even more glad to learn new things from this video!

matthew0517-21

2y↑2

There is a difference between non violence and pacifism. A pacifist believes in no violence at all. Someone who is non violent believes in using non violent actions first and if those options don't work then more violent options are the used to promote change. Also our oppressors are people to and have the same right to life as we do. So this is something we should keep in mind..Great video BTW.

Leo

3y↑5

Gonna use this advice in my writing. Thanks!

Harper Smith

2y↑1

There needs to be a term (aside from non-aggression-pact with extreme liabilities due to the subjectivity of self defense, i.e., Rittenhouse claiming it) for "pacifist against the military, realist against the state/oppression"

ex_orpheus

3y↑5

I think it's rather appalling to make a video on non-violence and not mention the Māori non-violent resistance leader Te Whiti o Rongomai, who advocated non-violence decades before MLK and Gandhi.

Chico Amorim

Commenting just to make sure I researsh it later

Carolyn Larue

Really interesting. Gives me a lot to think about. I'm currently pondering how other things I believe, like violence breeds violence and force only brings temporary/superficial relief, fit with these ideas

Ster

I'm fine with including violence into my fictional works of literature, so long as it's effective. A lot of the time, violence has been shown to decrease the impact of protests significantly, and in many cases work against the very causes they promote. There are exceptions, but generally violence has to be used at a time and a place where it is just and necessary, including in self-defense. Otherwise you simply create victims of your movement where none needed to exist.

ALIS Itlatol

3y↑15

I would really like your take on the love n lighter groups that think that they can ascend their way to liberation living on the 5D earth by meditating, yoga, buying up & colonizing more land for their "new communities" and if their "frequencies" are pure love the Big Bad will dissolve & disappear

ALIS Itlatol

2y↑1

@Dong Harvey yes, is an interesting observation when other cultures, worldviews & life ways are interpreted through the lens of euro-western colonial thinking which has become big bizness. I heard a zen buddhist monk recently say euro-western colonial "ascensionism" is "dis-embodied intelligence".

Dong Harvey

2y↑2

It's also notable how they co-opted Eastern spirituality to 'empower' themselves whilst also completely ignoring the actual philosophy and theism that birthed those rituals..

I'm not criticizing a real adherant though, anybody can believe what they want, as long as they hold it genuinely and not just as an image to project

Dacron

3y↑1

Thank you, YouTube algorithm, for telling me how and why to become fictionally violent instead of pacifistic out of nowhere👍

Katherine Henley

3y↑8

Very informative,,by the way even Jesus showed some violence when he went into the temple and threw the tables of the scribes and Pharisee to the ground.

Lia

3y↑1

Well, there is a difference between being violent to people and being violent to objects and property. So Jesus throwing tables out didn't hurt the scribes and Pharisee.

Norma Cenva

2y↑1

Amazing to see a Ukraininan movement of Nestor Makhno mentioned in the vid💪 Thank You for such great educational and inspiring content! 👍

zadig08

Thank you so much for this video and others. I just stumbled on your channel and I couldn't be happier. Thank you!

Millicent Duke

3y↑1

It could be said that in the face of violence that refuses to abate, refusing to consider violence as a means of stopping it becomes the more reprehensible kind of violence. In fact, I’m fairly sure someone cleverer than me said it better already. ✊💪

Joseph Ruhf

3y↑5

I forgive you that this sounds cynical, but you could not choose what these people have said. Even so, violence alone is not tactically or strategically supreme, trying to be too distant from nonviolence only loses the revolution to people who would be aggressive towards the State just to be aggressive towards something. And after the revolution is lost to aggression, the State capitulating to the revolutionaries will fundamentally change nothing. Violence can be the opiate of revolution if handled with insufficient care.

Carson Pearce

“If handled with insufficient care”

This is where your theoretical characters’ best bet is to foster decentralized systems of organization in order to prevent people looking for “violence for its own sake” or their own self serving motives from gaining centralized power.

Henry Fleischer

3y↑2

Hey, this is legitimately useful for the game I'm working on.

Matters of Degree

Very well done! One of your best videos so far. 👏👏👏

Michelle C. Funk

2y↑1

2004 as 'that far back'... a definitional time for many of us millenials, and we still are needing desperately to process the lessons of that time.

TheMadMadman

3y↑2

Thank you for making a video about how nonviolence isn't sufficient to make true change. In Minecraft . This will be a big help on my Minecraft Server.

QualityGaming Studios

I think where I stand is that I'm personally a pacifist in my own life but violence is absolutely needed to fight back if oppression isn't being heard and would never sell out a violent revolution

Alena Kirillova

3y↑1

Jacob Fike

One of my favorite writing advice channels

John Blue: Snake & Turtle Qigong

Thanks so much for your contribution to the conversation!!

Mawlwurst

3y↑1

ive been working on a story for a few months now, this will help tremendously!

George Berven

3y↑1

While the goal may be a nonviolent society, the tactics may require a disruption to systemic violence in proportion to the violence necessary to overthrow illegitimate actors and institutions.

Fighty Fish

3y↑1

this really helped with my short story, great worldbuilding video

Phang Kuan Hoong

3y↑1

I just want to say that Gandhi came at the very tail end of a very long, arduous and sustained resistance movement, which do employ violent means. it is not his "non-violence" that gave India independence. history does not happen because of one person.

Copper Moth

3y↑1

idk, self defense isn’t really “violence”, property damage itself (especially when targeting giant evil corporations) isn’t really “violence” either…

shooting children, unarmed people, and beating unarmed people to death, torturing them, and lighting them on fire is violence… and that’s the kind of violence that I still can’t get myself to support even if it’s justified as a necessary part of the revolution…

Super Sus

So would an example of the alternative groups being decentralized be the Frontier Militia from Titanfall? Because according to what they were made up of, there was the standard hopeful rebels, sympathetic mercenary groups and terrorists.

rose orphee

3y↑2

This so far have been the best rebuttal that I ever heard.

Theron Gilliland, Jr.

3y↑2

I love the meta quality of my video game revolutionaries making video games to recruit other revolutionaries! 😆

CMDR_Lani

I am so happy to have been recommended your channel. ❤️

Aaron Long

i love the video and all... but im somewhat worried some people will take you seriously and interpret 'your story' as innuendo for the real world :/
srsly though, great video- id love to see more longform videos from you, tho im sure they're a lot of time on your part

TriniKidNYC

3y↑6

A Trini speaking on Politics? Breath of fresh air

MillerIndustriesInc

I would argue that eating meat and forcing children into existence with only a guarantee of a death sentence is violence. But great video

Mickey B

3y↑1

i dont sense any hate in your videos just a need to open peoples eyes, THANK YOU for that

Ayse Persona

When your pain threatens the system it is time to step outside.

FlauFly

3y↑2

38:31 Eating meat when it's not necessary should be condemned morally, so it is one of these things "what doesn't fit in this picture"

Thomas Albin Holmes

I have been trying to convince people to follow Jesus and embrace nonviolence for the last five years. It certainly is not my experience that it is highly venerated in our culture. I think a lot of people give a nod to it and pay lip service to it because they know on some level that there is something good about it. The purpose of nonviolence, as taught by Jesus, is not to give us a sure path to liberation in this life. And it is not intended to be something that will ensure our safety. But it is the most powerful weapon there is to defeat evil. Practicing it may cost us our lives initially. And so may violence. But nonviolent love for enemies is like an atomic bomb going off in Satan's kingdom. Jesus is trying to save our souls, not give us a way to stay alive a little longer. And nonviolence makes no sense unless Jesus really is who he claimed to be (and he is). It's not something we should do just because we might think it's right or because we think it works. It's something we should practice because the Son of God modeled it for us and called us to love our enemies in the same kind of way he loved his. We were made by God to love each other the way Jesus loved us. And he is going to return to judge the world. So we just need to humble ourselves and learn to see this from his perspective, so that we can be a part of the eternal kingdom of love, joy, and peace we were all made for.

Q269

Violence and Non-violence both fail if those in power feel no effect.

Ray

3y↑1

This was a very helpful video for my story

Whiskers Skuttlebum

great video! just uh, i stand on the hill that property destruction is not violence.

irot

your videos always bring me to tears. beautiful. :)

Ardamass

Many folk forget sabotage but it is an important part of becoming ungovernable.

Youtility

History is certainly creative. During the homestead strike in the US, strikers had taken over an armoured train and derailed it at members of Pinkerton's Detective Agency, who were strike breaking of behalf of Carnigie Steel.

Q269

3y↑1

What are your thoughts about Killer Mike (Rapper) saying 'We have to be better than burning down our own homes' and his urge to utilize legal means/voting? Does he have a point in regards to what actions you take when expressing your voice, or is it the voice of someone who has fallen into a trap?

Sunshine Hades

3y↑4

If the left used pacifists as a smoke screen or mirage, could it be used to out flank and disarm?

Sunshine Hades

@Jacob Curliss no I didn't mean literally disarm my bad lol.

Jacob Curliss

I'm pretty sure that would result in the state shooting everyone

em

i love some good writing advice #writingtips for aspiring fiction writers

FoxyFemBoi

That's why the Bell Riots from DS9 are a lot more realistic. DS9 also has a terrorist as one of the main characters. It's pretty based. (See? No violence advocated, it's all for our fictional movements and stories)

Magic Pink Horse

Will there be or is there a video/article that explains what kind of society these revolutionaries should try to achieve? Because I only hear the kinds of oppression they want to destroy, but not what they want to build in the end, which is the most worrying part for a regular person.