Far From This Place by Dead In Heaven

oscarcat1231

1y↑5

YT playing games? Comment disappeared when I typed it. Now I can’t delete one of the comments.

DominadorJr. Abalos

1y↑7

That Man has been Judge on that day by Jesus, and he will be in Heaven.
On His Coming
Don't imply wrongly for you will be accountable as Blasphemous in the teaching of Jesus

Ria Jones

1y↑280

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord

Jacob Tennyson

1y↑18

It means your spirit goes back to God.

Exhilar8te

1y↑9

@Roxana Obrien
2 Cor
6 Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 7 For we live by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be AWAY FROM THE BODY AND AT HOME WITH THE LORD. 9 So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

seeking truth

1y↑14

So why would Jesus come?
So why will there be a resurrection?
The verse ' absent from the body is to be present with the lord' goes against many other verses of the Bible therefore there has to be another meaning, because the Bible does not contradict itself.
When the righteous die, the sleep of death, the next waking moment will be in the presence of the lord. No one goes to heaven or hell as the Bible says Jesus will be coming with His reward. We have to wait here either in the grave or alive until He comes

Don't be deceived

Jacob Tennyson

1y↑5

@seeking truth ...When Paul stated '' absent from the body is to be present with the lord' means your spirit goes back to God.

Wayne Thompson

1y↑130

It is written, "To be absent from the body is to be present with The LORD."

Geordie Wishart

50w↑3

No.

It is NOT so written.

It does NOT say that to be absent from the body IS TO BE present with the Lord.

Many have asked about 2 Corinthians 5:8, which says, “We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.” What did Paul mean by “absent from the body”?

Examining the context
Some mistakenly believe that this verse lends credence to the pagan concept of an immortal soul. But is this what this verse is talking about?

Perhaps the two most fundamental rules for understanding the Bible are to:

Look at a given verse in its immediate context.
Look at the subject under discussion in the broader context of the entire Bible.
Let’s apply those rules here.

In the immediate context, the subject begins with the first verse, where the apostle Paul wrote about the temporary nature of physical life. To illustrate his point, he drew an analogy between a tent (illustrating our physical existence) and a permanent building (illustrating the spiritual life that God will grant the saints in the resurrection).

Mortality now—not an immortal soul
In verse 4, he describes our present existence as “mortality,” saying it needs to be “swallowed up by life”—a reference to the change that will take place at the resurrection of the saints, which he wrote about in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54.

These references give us a glimpse into how the subject of mortality is explained in the broader context of the rest of the Bible. Comparing the nature of a human being with the nature of a spirit being, Paul wrote, “This mortal must put on immortality” (1 Corinthians 15:53).

Notice that Paul says nothing of an immortal soul. The Bible uses the word soul to mean a living being. Notice Genesis 2:7 in the King James Version: “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul” (emphasis added).

Thus, the Bible doesn’t say Adam had a soul, but that he was a living soul. The phrase in the Hebrew from which “soul” is translated means a living, breathing being. (See our article “Did God Give Adam an Immortal Soul?”)

The Greek word translated as “soul” conveys a similar meaning to its Hebrew counterpart. Neither language expresses anything immortal about a human being. To the contrary, the words for “soul” in both Hebrew and Greek convey a temporary, mortal nature.

Paul’s analogy of this life as a temporary dwelling
Let’s return now to the immediate context of the verse in question. Verse 6 of 2 Corinthians 5 says that “while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.” This continues the analogy of a temporary dwelling (“at home”). It means that while we are still flesh and blood, we are not with Christ in the way we will be when He establishes His Father’s Kingdom on the earth.

When will the dead be “present with the Lord”? The answer is clear from 1 Corinthians 15. This will occur at the resurrection. That happens when Jesus Christ returns to the earth at the sound of the angel’s heralding trumpet blast.“Absent from the body” (verse 8) refers to being changed from physical to spirit. As 1 Corinthians 15:50-53 says:

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.”

When will the dead be “present with the Lord”? The answer is clear from 1 Corinthians 15. This will occur at the resurrection. That happens when Jesus Christ returns to the earth at the sound of the angel’s heralding trumpet blast. (See Revelation 11:15 and our article “When Will Jesus Return?”)

Obviously, every Christian desires that change, which is the point of verse 8. “We are … well pleased” means we look forward to being “with the Lord” in every sense, including being changed from our physical, mortal state to that of an immortal spirit.

“Death is swallowed up in victory”
The words of 1 Corinthians 15:54 make a fitting summary: “So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: ‘Death is swallowed up in victory.’”

Jessica Taylor

45w↑5

Paul was talking about how he’d rather be absent from the body and present with the Lord, basically saying he was looking forward the Christ’s Second Coming. People take this verse out of context all the time.

Gale Miller

41w↑3

@Geordie Wishartcan you shorten this up 😲

awesome pandaxxa

40w

His not taken out of context it say (present) if what you say true the word should (before)

Deedee

37w

@waynethompson that is what’s written you’re misinterpreting the verse

jdlillyblad

1y↑93

When we finally go to heaven it will be as though no time has passed at all.

Geordie Wishart

1y↑8

Why do you assume we go to heaven?

In my Father's house etc!

This is not heaven.

This is the coming Kingdom.

Where do your ideas about heaven come from? Most Christians would say they come from the Bible. Yet some have an image of floating on clouds. Some believe they'll be given wings like angels. Others believe that they'll gaze into the face of God for eternity.

Yet did you know that none of these are what the Bible actually says is in store for us? None of these are ideas that God has given us in the pages of His Word. It's time to examine your concept of death and your belief in going to heaven!

Don't just believe what someone else has said, or what a Sunday school teacher may have taught you, or what a church or religion says, or what this article says. Why not? If it's not based on the truth, what good is it? So don't believe any person's opinion—believe your Bible! You must believe what God says in the pages of His Word. That's the challenge today. Are you willing to look at what Scripture actually teaches? That's where our understanding of life and death must come from—the Word of God!

Notice what is stated in John 3:13 (emphasis added throughout): "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven"—and that one Being is Jesus Christ, who has returned to heaven!

Now that may be startling to you—but the Bible here is clear and plain. How does what it teaches here compare with what you've thought was true? If you look in the New International Version, it renders the statement as, "No one has ever gone into heaven." The Message says, "No one has ever gone up into the presence of God." God's Word Translation says, "No one has gone to heaven." The only exception is Jesus Christ Himself!

Jesus' disciple Peter echoed this sentiment in Acts 2: "Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day . . . For David did not ascend into the heavens" (Acts 2:29, Acts 2:34).

So Jesus' disciples did not teach that life beyond the grave meant going to live forever in heaven. Jesus Himself never promised that Christians would go consciously to heaven at death!

Hebrews 11, speaking of great men and women of faith of past ages, tells us that they are still awaiting their future reward of being made perfect in God's Kingdom: "And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise . . . that they should not be made perfect apart from us" (Hebrews 11:39-40).

Death compared to sleep—that is, temporary
So why haven't they yet received the promise of eternal life? And if they aren't in heaven, where are they?

When Jesus' friend Lazarus died, Christ's reaction was very telling. Jesus Himself said, "'Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.' Then His disciples said, 'Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.' However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep. Then Jesus said to them plainly, 'Lazarus is dead'" (John 11:11-14).

That tells us something important. How does Jesus Himself describe death? He doesn't say that people who died immediately went to heaven or hell at death. He simply compares it to sleep.

So let's think of that comparison for a moment. When someone is in a deep sleep, they have no awareness of the passing of time or any knowledge of events that are occurring while they're asleep. It's like they're unconscious. They're oblivious to circumstances. So throughout the Bible, we see that it describes the dead as figuratively in a state of sleep. They're unaware. They're waiting in the grave.

King Solomon confirmed the fact that death is like a deep, unconscious sleep: "Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going" (Ecclesiastes 9:10). Just before that he wrote, "For the living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing" (Ecclesiastes 9:5).

So it becomes clear that the Bible consistently teaches that good people don't go to heaven or anything like heaven at death—instead they sleep in the grave. All of the dead—the good and the not-so-good alike—wait in the grave.

Now that's quite a change in perspective! We don't have to be overwhelmed and consumed by grief because we're told that even in death there is hope. As the apostle Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 4:13, "I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope." So instead of the chilling thought of our loved ones having ceased to be, we're told that we can be comforted. We can be encouraged by thinking of them as being asleep in Christ!

A greater promise than heaven as commonly imagined
Think of the common concept of heaven. Supposedly heaven is where you, your best friends and your relatives go after you die. Many believe that their departed family members are looking down on them from paradise.

But if so, have you ever wondered what that paradise would really be like? Would it really be a place of perfect happiness? Would it really be a place of ideal joy and bliss? Imagine if it were true: How could it really be heavenly?

Imagine if you were in heaven, looking down and seeing this world. What would you see? You'd see a world of pain. You'd see a world of war and grief. Imagine watching your loved ones—seeing their shortcomings, seeing their blunders, watching them go through terrible trials, seeing their sinful acts—witnessing a world of evil! Would that be paradise? No. That would be torture and misery. Rather than some dreamy paradise, it would be your worst nightmare!

The Bible reveals a much greater truth and fate for those who die. Let's see again what Jesus Himself taught.

Since the dead are waiting in the grave as if asleep, what are they waiting for? When and how will they be awakened from that sleep?

The answer to that question is one of the great revelations of Scripture. God's promise of the resurrection of the dead truly brings us hope. It is not just a resurrection to life, but to a life of meaning and purpose with Jesus Christ here on earth, ruling for a thousand years (Revelation 20:4). This all begins with the return of Christ, at which point His faithful followers are resurrected (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

The Old Testament patriarch Job understood the gravity and full meaning of this future resurrection. Notice what he said in Job 14:14: "If a man die, shall he live again? All the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come" (King James Version). Job understood that he would one day be resurrected.

Even more importantly, he understood that a change would occur. This same change is described by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 as a change from mortality to immortality—from physical, mortal flesh to immortal, glorified spirit. That is what the coming resurrection of the dead in Christ is all about—not an aimless eternity in heaven, but a real change to becoming like Jesus Christ (1 John 3:2).

Change your life now to be part of the change at the resurrection
This is the wonderful truth of God's plan for His people. It's God's purpose for your life. The Bible speaks clearly of a resurrection and a change from physical life to spiritual life. Understanding how one can have a part in that resurrection is so very important to having an understanding of what our life today is about and certainly a genuine hope for the future.

It tells us how we need to live right now. Our understanding of and belief in God's plan should make a difference in who we are and how we live our lives. Jesus clearly showed us what our priorities in life should be: "Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness" (Matthew 6:33).

When you look to the truth of the Word of God instead of human tradition, you can have hope. You see that death, like sleep, is not permanent. You see that there will be an awakening and a change to an incorruptible life with Jesus Christ as your King!

This beautiful picture of the future is not a figment of your imagination. It comes directly from the Bible—the Word of God.

When you look to the one true source, the source of all things, you find incredibly good news. The time will come when the dead in Christ will be resurrected from sleep to immortal life at Jesus Christ's return to earth.

So be faithful. Look forward to His return!

TheZombieKiller06

1y↑5

@Geordie Wishart Good job on misrepresenting scripture and having no clue about what context is.

Geordie Wishart

1y

I find it hard to debate scripture with someone who calls themselves a zombie killer.

But of course, this isn't a debate insofar as you have nothing to say except that I am wrong, yet lacking the knowledge to explain why such is so.

Poor and Bruised of Spirit

1y↑1

@Geordie Wishart Amen! Great explanation. Keep up the good work. Few people truly read, pray and study the scriptures to see what YHWH truly says. Most people just repeat heresies they hear from the pulpit. Good job.

Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.
2 Tim. 2:23‭-‬26

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
2 Tim. 4:1‭-‬5

Neil Satterfield

1y

@Geordie Wishart
You write some great points but also left out others. If you know the Bible ( Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth) then you are probably familiar about the two people that did not have to experience death and God brought them up to Heaven. Which will be better then anyone can talk about or write about or even imagine. Streets paved with gold etc.
the tress, leaves and grass and even the streams are all in unison singing his praises. If you want to be a carpenter
(Like my Jewish boss was) 😇 aka Jesus, then whenever you use a saw to cut, there will not even be any sawdust😊 God does not make mistakes he knew and probably even planned about the other two men that also died a cross next to our lord and savior, he said on that very day he would be with him in paradise aka Heaven. Not that he’d see him next time whenever he comes back. Whenever Jesus performed one of his many miracles and raised him from sleep ( the dead ) there is scripture pertaining to all of us, believing one way, or another, as far as us, being in the grave asleep, or in the presence of the Lord when we’re absent in our bodies. even in the powerful verse of John 3:16 how that whoever believes in our lord Jesus Christ shall not perish but have everlasting life so if we died and went to the grave with no conscience of anything is that actually everlasting life. Either way if we have to take a big dirt nap, that it will only seem like a blink of an eye because time would be irrelevant. Or we get to be in heaven, immediately, after our last breath on this earth, be sure your heart is right with our lord Jesus. I pray that everyone lets him in on the 1st knock 😇

John Sadler

1y↑56

When we die our Spirits go back to God. And our bodies rest in the grave. When Jesus comes back he Resurrects our bodies and reunites our spirits with our bodies and givies us a Glorifa body.

The boy13

1y↑7

you are 100% right the body and soul is not the same! this man is wrong and I wished he would teach the truth! all the people that has passed and come back that has seen there family and jesus I guess this man thinks they are lying! ECCLESIASTES 12-7 For then the dust will return to the Earth and the spirit will return to God who gave it! JOHN 11-25-26 Jesus told her I am the resurrection and the life anyone who believes in me will live even after dying everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never die! JOHN 8-51 I tell you the truth anyone who obeys my teaching will never die! Jesus christ him self said we will NEVER DIE I mean john 3:16 says it all!

Geordie Wishart

1y↑3

The spirit is simply the spark of life.

The spirit of all the dead returns to God.

Clearly no distinction made between the saved and the unsaved.

The spirit is not some sort of disembodied consciousness.

You seem to think that ceasing to live is not death.

Exhilar8te

1y↑2

@Geordie Wishart Revelation 20:14

“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”

Geordie Wishart

50w↑1

Death and hell....i.e. the grave....are indeed to be destroyed. But not yet. Not til after the second coming

Karen Chamberlain

30w

What of soul is hard to save

Tracy Sneed

1y↑76

To be absent from the body is to be with the lord. The body sleeps but the soul goes to Jesus

Geordie Wishart

1y↑8

Paul was saying that in order for us to be present in the Lord, we must be absent in the body!

As simple as that!

The problem with some people is that they add their interpretation to a passage.

Nowhere in this verse does it say that we are going to heaven nor does it imply that we are going to heaven when we die.

The fact that Paul was making clear is that you can’t stay physical if you want to be with Christ.

You have to pass from physical to spiritual.

That’s the reason that in the future, the saints, including Paul, would be turned into immortal beings so that we can be present in the Lord.

Now, we don’t immediately become immortal when we die. That will happen during the return of Christ. So, once we leave this body to be “absent”, we then receive eternal life to be “present” in the Lord.

I hope that is making more sense now.

Your next waking moment
When we die, we are like sleeping. We are unconscious in the grave.

When you read II Corinthians 5:8, it doesn’t say when we will be present in the Lord. It only tells you that we have to leave our physical body to receive a spiritual body.

Nowhere in II Corinthians 5:8 will you read that the process happens immediately after death.

However, for those who died, the process may feel like an instant change.

Why?

Because when they die, they are like sleeping, and their next waking, conscious moment would be when they will be resurrected to eternal life!

Jacob Tennyson

1y↑1

You mean your spirit goes back to Jesus. You soul will sleep in the grave until rapture for the righteous or hellfire for the wicked.

Acapella sy

45w

@Jacob Tennyson actually the soul cease to exist “The soul that sinneth, it shall die” (Ezekiel 18:20 KJV).
“Every living soul died in the sea” (Revelation 16:3 KJV).

Answer: According to God’s Word, souls do die! We are souls, and souls die. Man is mortal (Job 4:17).
Only God is immortal (1 Timothy 6:15, 16). The concept of an undying, immortal soul is not found in the Bible, which teaches that souls are subject to death.

Acapella sy

45w↑1

@Jacob Tennyson “The body without the spirit is dead” (James 2:26).
“The spirit of God is in my nostrils” (Job 27:3 KJV).

The spirit that returns to God at death is the breath of life. Nowhere in all of God’s book does the “spirit” have any life, wisdom, or feeling after a person dies. It is the “breath of life” and nothing more.

Jacob Tennyson

45w

@Acapella sy .... I know that. Please read my comments carefully.

Isabel Pantazis

1y↑65

Death is like being asleep. When Lazarus died, he was "asleep" and did not go to heaven. And when Jesus resurrected Lazarus, he woke up as if he has been sleeping.
If he had been in heaven he would have told Martha and everyone about it. And this did not happen. 🙏🏻

Miguel Martinez

1y

Search Where do the Dead Go? By Robert Breaker.

Isabel Pantazis

1y↑15

@Miguel Martinez
In their graves. They become dust again. When you die God takes back your breath... Until the LORD Jesus appears the sky, then the (righteous) dead ,(not the wicked dead), will be resurrected and meet the LORD in the air.🙏🏻

Exhilar8te

1y↑2

How do you know this didn't happen? The Bible didn't specifically say that this did not happen. Just because you don't read it doesn't mean it didn't happen. In John it says that Jesus did so many good things that there were not enough books in the world to contain them.

Isabel Pantazis

1y↑7

@Exhilar8te
John 11:11" These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.🙏🏻"

Here Jesus explains to his disciples that Lazarus is dead.
When we die, it will be like we are asleep, until the coming of our LORD Jesus.

When you die you do not go to heaven or hell straight away.

Read further :

John 11:23
Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

THIS VERSE TELLS US THAT LAZARUS SHALL RISE IN THE RESURRECTION AT THE LAST DAY. and NOT going to heaven straight after death, but when Jesus comes at the last day on this earth.

Exhilar8te

1y↑4

@Isabel Pantazis I wasn't referring to the sleep part. Obviously the body was not conscious. I was referring to where his soul went while his body was 'dead' or 'asleep'. Again, I refer to Paul stating that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Also, how did Jesus have a conversation with Moses and Elijah if they were not to be raised until the last day?

Christopher Allen

1y↑18

Today you will be with me in paradise

Jacob Tennyson

1y↑1

Means your spirit goes back to God in paradise. Still your souls will sleep in the grave until rapture day for the righteous and judgement and hellfire for the wicked.

Geordie Wishart

50w↑1

Jesus said that the repentant malefactor would be with him in Paradise. If we can prove where Jesus went when he died, then we can prove whether the malefactor really went to Paradise that day.

Paul states: “For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:3‑4). Jesus was buried—it does not say his body was buried and that his soul went to Paradise. It reads that he—Jesus, himself—was buried. He was dead for three days and nights.

John gives further proof where Jesus was. “Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre. . . . There”—in the tomb—the grave—“laid they Jesus” (John 19:41‑42). It was Jesus who was laid in the tomb, not merely his body. Jesus was dead.

Peter also refers to this: “He [the prophet David] seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption” (Acts 2:31 KJV). Jesus was not in Paradise; he was in hell. The word “hell” ought to be rendered “grave.” The original Greek word used here was hades, meaning the “grave.” It does not mean a fiery, burning hell. The Bible uses another word for that.

Hell or the grave is not Paradise. Since Jesus did not enter Paradise the day of the crucifixion, then neither did the malefactor enter it. Christ has “pre-eminence” in all things (Colossians 1:18). The malefactor, therefore, could not have preceded Christ to Paradise. Whenever the malefactor enters Paradise, Christ will be there too.

Some use 1 Peter 3:19‑20 as supposed proof that Jesus was alive when he was dead—that he preached to spirits in prison during the time he was in the grave asleep in death. But notice what these verses really say. Wicked angels who followed Satan are in chains of darkness, imprisoned for their own folly (Jude 6). When did Jesus preach to the imprisoned spirits? Read it: “. . . in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing” (1 Peter 3:20). Jesus preached to the wicked angels in the days of Noah, not during the time he was in the tomb.

Where is Paradise? Paul wrote of one who was given marvellous revelations from God. In a vision he was “caught up to the third heaven”—God’s throne. “He was caught up into PARADISE” (2 Corinthians 12:1‑5). Paradise is located in the presence of God’s throne.

The Bible further describes Paradise: “To him that over-cometh, to him will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God” (Revelation 2:7, American Standard Version). Note that the tree of life is in the Paradise of God.

Revelation 22, verses 1 and 2 refer to “the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.” In this city we find “a river of water of life . . . proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. . . . And on this side of the river and on that was the tree of life” (American Standard Version). The new Jerusalem contains the tree of life. The Paradise of God is the new Jerusalem.

Jesus said the malefactor would be with him in this Paradise. The new Jerusalem is not yet finished. Jesus is still preparing a place for us in it (John 14:2). Not until after the Millennium will it be fully ready (Revelation 20:1‑5). Not until then will it descend to earth—not until then will the malefactor enter Paradise.

Then what did Jesus mean by saying, “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise”? The thief’s plea was, “Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom” (Luke 23:42). The plain fact is that Jesus has not yet come into his kingdom (Luke 11:2; 19:11; 1 Corinthians 11:26; 1 Thessalonians 4:13‑17; 1 Corinthians 15:23, 49‑52).

Also, most translations of Luke 23:43 are improperly punctuated. A comma placed before the word “today” is incorrect. Punctuation was not used in the Greek that Luke wrote. It was added centuries later. Here is, word for word, the order in the inspired original Greek: “Verily I say to thee today, `With me shalt thou be in the Paradise.’” Jesus stressed the time of his promise—not the time he would be in Paradise.

The malefactor is still dead and buried. Jesus alone is the firstborn from the dead (Romans 8:29; Acts 26:23; 1 Corinthians 15:23). But the time is coming when this man shall be resurrected also and eventually shall enter the Paradise of God along with all the other saints to be with Christ.

RobertLightfootLee

43w

Correct 👍

SvenShanah

27w

I tell you today.. you will be with Me in paradise.
Yahushua Ha'Mashiach

SvenShanah

27w↑1

He was telling him today, not that "today" he would be with Him..not that we'll notice..no time will seem to have passed to us..

George Kimmell

1y↑9

I don’t go by my understandings but by what the Bible says and the Bible says we sleep in the grave till Jesus return then the dead in Jesus will rise up first to him.

CathrynAnn98

1y

Agree

Jacob Tennyson

1y

AMEN

Susan Kane

1y

Yes. This is Biblical Truth

Susan Kane

1y↑1

Whether we are buried or cremated, the Lord Jesus is The Resurrection and the Life, and He has the power to raise us up whatever way we go to our rest. The Bible says that even “the sea will give up her dead.” This Pastor is correct- Mary and the saints cannot hear our prayers because they too are “asleep in the grave,” waiting for the Resurrection at The Second Coming.

Susan Kane

1y

When Jesus told the thief he would be with Him in Paradise, this is how the text should read: “I say to you today, you will be with me in Paradise.” When the Bible was translated, the comma was misplaced. This is because so many Bible translators believed in this idea of a person going right to heaven as soon as they died. We know now that the Bible does not teach this, but teaches that we are “asleep” when we die, and await the Coming of Jesus at His Second Coming.

Alex Perez

1y↑56

I think when we die we don’t even know until it’s time to wake up. You sleep in and you feel like you have a night of full interrupted rest.

Yahuah Over Man

1y↑4

Yeah we need to be well rested and wide awake to give an account for their life

Marie C

1y↑5

@Yahuah Over Man if you are covered by the blood of Jesus you don't need to give an account of your life

Yahuah Over Man

1y↑1

@Marie C Hi, what in the Bible makes you think that?

Mike Davidson northwood london

1y↑2

@yahuahoverman9585 exactly we will give account of what we did with our salvation

Mike Davidson northwood london

1y↑4

And there's this matter of these corporeal life's
We live people just want a easy ticket out
I did
But now I'm appreciating life more cause you should make this unbearable world more bearable for everyone
Show God's light in our actions instead of thinking all the world's problems which are our creations and the demons amd Satan will just vanish
Nope they won't
However
Christians have the power to overcome death
Poverty
Low I.Q through Jesus Christ

ForSheepSakes

1y↑16

I think they’re possibly one of the same. I think after death, we escape the confines of time in space. While to everybody else on the Earth, waiting for the great day of judgment, you actually when you die, you reach the judgment crossing over all boundaries of time. That’s why we are absent from the body and present with the lord. Time is a construct of the physical world, and after our body dies, I believe we go straight to the judgment day as if we didn’t “sleep” at all.

i_KillCampers420 DayZ KillCamZ

1y↑4

Yes that's what I believe because when your dead you dont have concept of time so even if 100 years past you wouldn't know it but when you wake it will feel like only 1 sec went by

ILly

1y↑2

Mind blown. 🙏

Jim Killoughy

48w↑1

In revelation 6:9-11 it shows us that the faithful people who have just died are under the alter in heaven. So it seems to me there is no argument in that but I'm open to opinions on that.
The people asleep in their graves are probably the unfaithful.

Calin boss

41w

Yes

Ginger Snap

32w↑2

I don't think Jesus' mother is dead. She is alive and well with her son.

King Petty 👑

1y↑15

I've heard so many testimonies of people claiming they went straight to hell well they're alive or temporarily dead and came right back hours or minutes later.

IntotheDepths

47w↑2

God knew they weren’t going to die in their timeline yet because he created everything. So the spiritual world comprised of demons was probably hurting them and tricking them in the spiritual realm. And thus making it seem as if it were hell.

Jessica Taylor

45w↑4

For every truth, the devil has a counterfeit and can deceive many. When you’re told your whole life that you immediately go to hell after death if you’re a sinner, you can have pretty wild dreams. Or other forces can plant that in your mind, making it seem real. The Bible is the only source of truth to ultimately look at, not someone’s dream. If what others say does not abide with the teachings of the Bible, one must really “test the spirits” like 1 John 4 says to do.

Acapella sy

45w

@Jessica Taylor I’m in love very well said. God woek is the only thing we need to know the truth about these things.

Acapella sy

43w

@IntotheDepths yea and boy have they decived many

Omar Orozco

32w↑1

Nobody is Worthy of heaven and earth but Jesus himself

gerard

1y↑22

To be absent from the body is to be present with the lord there is no soul sleep

T-BoNe

1y↑2

💯💯💯💯👍🏽

gerard

1y↑1

g513 1 Corinthians 15:12-32

Geordie Wishart

50w↑1

Many have asked about 2 Corinthians 5:8, which says, “We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.” What did Paul mean by “absent from the body”?

Examining the context
Some mistakenly believe that this verse lends credence to the pagan concept of an immortal soul. But is this what this verse is talking about?

Perhaps the two most fundamental rules for understanding the Bible are to:

Look at a given verse in its immediate context.
Look at the subject under discussion in the broader context of the entire Bible.
Let’s apply those rules here.

In the immediate context, the subject begins with the first verse, where the apostle Paul wrote about the temporary nature of physical life. To illustrate his point, he drew an analogy between a tent (illustrating our physical existence) and a permanent building (illustrating the spiritual life that God will grant the saints in the resurrection).

Mortality now—not an immortal soul
In verse 4, he describes our present existence as “mortality,” saying it needs to be “swallowed up by life”—a reference to the change that will take place at the resurrection of the saints, which he wrote about in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54.

These references give us a glimpse into how the subject of mortality is explained in the broader context of the rest of the Bible. Comparing the nature of a human being with the nature of a spirit being, Paul wrote, “This mortal must put on immortality” (1 Corinthians 15:53).

Notice that Paul says nothing of an immortal soul. The Bible uses the word soul to mean a living being. Notice Genesis 2:7 in the King James Version: “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul” (emphasis added).

Thus, the Bible doesn’t say Adam had a soul, but that he was a living soul. The phrase in the Hebrew from which “soul” is translated means a living, breathing being. (See our article “Did God Give Adam an Immortal Soul?”)

The Greek word translated as “soul” conveys a similar meaning to its Hebrew counterpart. Neither language expresses anything immortal about a human being. To the contrary, the words for “soul” in both Hebrew and Greek convey a temporary, mortal nature.

Paul’s analogy of this life as a temporary dwelling
Let’s return now to the immediate context of the verse in question. Verse 6 of 2 Corinthians 5 says that “while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.” This continues the analogy of a temporary dwelling (“at home”). It means that while we are still flesh and blood, we are not with Christ in the way we will be when He establishes His Father’s Kingdom on the earth.

When will the dead be “present with the Lord”? The answer is clear from 1 Corinthians 15. This will occur at the resurrection. That happens when Jesus Christ returns to the earth at the sound of the angel’s heralding trumpet blast.“Absent from the body” (verse 8) refers to being changed from physical to spirit. As 1 Corinthians 15:50-53 says:

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.”

When will the dead be “present with the Lord”? The answer is clear from 1 Corinthians 15. This will occur at the resurrection. That happens when Jesus Christ returns to the earth at the sound of the angel’s heralding trumpet blast. (See Revelation 11:15 and our article “When Will Jesus Return?”)

Obviously, every Christian desires that change, which is the point of verse 8. “We are … well pleased” means we look forward to being “with the Lord” in every sense, including being changed from our physical, mortal state to that of an immortal spirit.

“Death is swallowed up in victory”
The words of 1 Corinthians 15:54 make a fitting summary: “So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: ‘Death is swallowed up in victory.’”

gerard

50w

@Geordie Wishart one problem with your analysis is man is flesh soul and spirit to be absent from the body is death the spirit goes to be with the lord if you indeed were born again in the spirit . To be absent from the body which is the flesh is to be present with the lord for all those who have become alive in Christ by the spirit . Did Jesus rise from the dead or is he still soul sleeping . So absent from the body which is dead and in the ground means absent not there he is talking about the spirit not there but absent from the body . Understand it’s not that difficult. Where is Jesus when John saw him take the scroll, and begin to break the seals in revelation ? He is standing amongst the church the seven candlesticks, which is the church that would be in heaven, not in the grave .

Geordie Wishart

50w

First point, quote scripture correctly.

It does NOT say that to be absent from the body IS TO BE present with the Lord!

Lana Moler

1y↑8

When you are not in the body, you are with God! Yes, we go to be with the Lord as soon as our bodies die! 2 Corinthians

Geordie Wishart

50w↑3

Many have asked about 2 Corinthians 5:8, which says, “We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.” What did Paul mean by “absent from the body”?

Examining the context
Some mistakenly believe that this verse lends credence to the pagan concept of an immortal soul. But is this what this verse is talking about?

Perhaps the two most fundamental rules for understanding the Bible are to:

Look at a given verse in its immediate context.
Look at the subject under discussion in the broader context of the entire Bible.
Let’s apply those rules here.

In the immediate context, the subject begins with the first verse, where the apostle Paul wrote about the temporary nature of physical life. To illustrate his point, he drew an analogy between a tent (illustrating our physical existence) and a permanent building (illustrating the spiritual life that God will grant the saints in the resurrection).

Mortality now—not an immortal soul
In verse 4, he describes our present existence as “mortality,” saying it needs to be “swallowed up by life”—a reference to the change that will take place at the resurrection of the saints, which he wrote about in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54.

These references give us a glimpse into how the subject of mortality is explained in the broader context of the rest of the Bible. Comparing the nature of a human being with the nature of a spirit being, Paul wrote, “This mortal must put on immortality” (1 Corinthians 15:53).

Notice that Paul says nothing of an immortal soul. The Bible uses the word soul to mean a living being. Notice Genesis 2:7 in the King James Version: “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul” (emphasis added).

Thus, the Bible doesn’t say Adam had a soul, but that he was a living soul. The phrase in the Hebrew from which “soul” is translated means a living, breathing being. (See our article “Did God Give Adam an Immortal Soul?”)

The Greek word translated as “soul” conveys a similar meaning to its Hebrew counterpart. Neither language expresses anything immortal about a human being. To the contrary, the words for “soul” in both Hebrew and Greek convey a temporary, mortal nature.

Paul’s analogy of this life as a temporary dwelling
Let’s return now to the immediate context of the verse in question. Verse 6 of 2 Corinthians 5 says that “while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.” This continues the analogy of a temporary dwelling (“at home”). It means that while we are still flesh and blood, we are not with Christ in the way we will be when He establishes His Father’s Kingdom on the earth.

When will the dead be “present with the Lord”? The answer is clear from 1 Corinthians 15. This will occur at the resurrection. That happens when Jesus Christ returns to the earth at the sound of the angel’s heralding trumpet blast.“Absent from the body” (verse 8) refers to being changed from physical to spirit. As 1 Corinthians 15:50-53 says:

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.”

When will the dead be “present with the Lord”? The answer is clear from 1 Corinthians 15. This will occur at the resurrection. That happens when Jesus Christ returns to the earth at the sound of the angel’s heralding trumpet blast. (See Revelation 11:15 and our article “When Will Jesus Return?”)

Obviously, every Christian desires that change, which is the point of verse 8. “We are … well pleased” means we look forward to being “with the Lord” in every sense, including being changed from our physical, mortal state to that of an immortal spirit.

“Death is swallowed up in victory”
The words of 1 Corinthians 15:54 make a fitting summary: “So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: ‘Death is swallowed up in victory.’”

RobertLightfootLee

43w

Correct 👍

RobertLightfootLee

43w

2 Cor 5:1~10 Amen.

Gaunter O'Dimm🔎Master Mirrors 🔎

1y↑28

The Bible has only spoke about a small few ascending to Heaven, and if I remember well, the first was Enoch, the second was Moses, and the third was Elijah. My memory is foggy at times, but I remember reading that a very small few had went to the Lord alive(although of course Moses did pass on on the mountain, and Michael contended with Satan for his body).

It took time for me realize this about the rest of those Saints from long ago, and the ones in the here and now who're recently passed. I even think about my little sister who's passed on.

William Erazo

1y↑1

You are right

Charles Campbell

1y↑2

You are 100% correct If we were in heaven why would Christ bring us out of the grave! Very few folk understand this!

ctglenn1

1y↑3

Jesus was the first man to ascend to heaven according to Scripture. Moses did not go to heaven either he was buried according to scripture. It sounds like you’ve been reading an Ellen White about a Moses going to heaven when it was never written.

Geordie Wishart

1y↑3

Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him." Hebrews 11:5 adds: "By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, 'and was not found, because God had taken him'; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God."

Some erroneously jump to the conclusion that Enoch was taken up into heaven, but notice the Bible nowhere says this. It simply says that God "took him." It does not specify where he was taken.

Jesus Christ later states in the Gospel of John that "Scripture cannot be broken" (John 10:35). One of the points He makes is that one passage of the Bible cannot contradict another passage.

This same Gospel of John reveals a startling fact very pertinent to this matter: "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven" (John 3:13).

Clearly, Jesus Christ was the only human being who had ascended into heaven. The phrase "who is in heaven" lets us know that this was written by the apostle John after Christ's return to heaven. So even as late as this statement, no human being—and that includes Enoch—had ascended into heaven.

We later read about Enoch's fate in Hebrews 11:5: "By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, 'and was not found, because God had taken him'; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God." The word rendered "taken" can also mean "transferred elsewhere." And the New American Standard Bible says this was done "so that he would not see death"—a better translation than "did not," as we know from the same chapter of Hebrews that he died.

Notice in verse 13 the summary given of all of the men and women of faith listed here, including Enoch: "These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth" (Hebrews 11:13). So Enoch definitely died as well as all the rest.

How, then, can it be that Enoch was transferred elsewhere so he wouldn't see death? God doesn't give us all the details of what happened, but a few scenarios have been proposed that do not conflict with the fact that Enoch died as the Bible says.

It may be that God transported Enoch elsewhere to keep him from being killed at a certain time—perhaps protecting him from martyrdom at the hands of angry persecutors who didn't like his announcement of coming divine judgment (see Jude 14-16). God likewise supernaturally transported Elijah and Philip to other places on earth (see 2 Kings 2:11; Acts 8:39).

On the other hand, we should observe that Enoch died young for his time—at age 365 while those before and after him lived into their 800s and 900s. Because of this, some speculate that God "took him" from life prematurely so that he would not have to live out his remaining centuries in a miserable world (compare Isaiah 57:1-2). His next moment of consciousness will be the resurrection. In this case, "so that he would not see death" would refer to his not having to experience the process of dying—his life ending instantly.

Still others, putting the likelihood of Enoch experiencing persecution together with his early death, have concluded that Enoch was murdered—martyred for his preaching. Enoch being taken and not found would then refer to God removing his body and burying it—as happened with Moses (Deuteronomy 34:5-6).

In this case, Enoch being taken or transferred so that he would not see death is taken as separate matter—that of him being spiritually converted, transferred from the world's ways to God's way of living, so that he would not see ultimate death in the lake of fire (compare Colossians 1:13; John 8:51).

Again, we don't have enough details to know exactly what is intended. But we do know that Enoch did not skip death and go to heaven. He died, and no human being has ascended to heaven except Jesus Christ.

Geordie Wishart

1y↑1

God had earlier told Elijah he was to anoint a man named Elisha as a prophet to succeed him (1 Kings 19:16). Later, as the two men walked together, Elijah said to Elisha, "What may I do for you, before I am taken away from you?" (2 Kings 2:9). This led to a discussion of God's gifts to Elisha that would allow him to fill Elijah's role.

"Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven" (2 Kings 2:11). Elijah was now gone. The former followers and students of Elijah were now to look to Elisha as their new leader. "Now when the sons of the prophets who were from Jericho saw him, they said, 'The spirit of Elijah rests on Elisha'" (2 Kings 2:15).

Many readers assume that Elijah at that point was made immortal and taken to the heaven where God resides. This was not the case. The sons of the prophets knew otherwise. They knew the whirlwind had simply removed Elijah to another location on earth. They exclaimed to Elisha: "Look now, there are fifty strong men with your servants. Please let them go and search for your master, lest perhaps the Spirit of the Lord has taken him up and cast him upon some mountain or into some valley" (2 Kings 2:16).

The disciples were concerned for Elijah's safety, so they sent out a party of 50 men to search for him. The 50 searched for three days but did not find him (2 Kings 2:17).

Another passage proves conclusively that Elijah was not taken up to live in heaven. The Bible records that Elijah wrote a letter to Jehoram, the king of Judah, several years after he was removed in the whirlwind.

Notice the sequence of events recorded for us in the Bible. Elijah's last recorded and dated act occurred during the reign of the Israelite king Ahaziah when Elijah told the king he would die for his sins (2 Kings 1:3-17). Ahaziah's reign lasted only about a year, ca. 850 B.C.

Elijah's removal and replacement by Elisha is then recorded in the next chapter, 2 Kings 2. The story continues with incidents from Elisha's life, including an encounter with Jehoshaphat, king of Judah (2 Kings 3:11-14). Several years later Jehoram, son of Jehoshaphat, succeeded his father as king of Judah, ca. 845 B.C. (2 Kings 8:16).

Jehoram proved to be a wicked king, leading the nation of Judah in rebellion against God's commandments. A few years into Jehoram's reign, and several years after Elijah's removal, Jehoram received a letter from Elijah warning the king of dire consequences because of his sins. This letter is recorded in 2 Chronicles 21:12-15.

This letter proves that the prophet was still alive and on earth some years after he was removed by the whirlwind and replaced by Elisha. God had chosen Elisha to succeed Elijah as His prophet, so He bodily removed Elijah to another place, where he continued to live for at least several more years—as his letter to Jehoram demonstrates.

The Bible tells us nothing more about Elijah's life following his writing of the letter. But he eventually died, just like the other prophets and righteous men of the Old Testament, who all died in faith, not yet receiving the eternal life God had promised (Hebrews 11:39).

Again, a careful reading of the Scriptures shows that Elijah's miraculous removal by a fiery chariot involved transporting him to another location on earth, not to eternal life in heaven.

Robin's Nest

1y↑8

I agree with what the Bible teaches and that is that we are asleep in the grave until the resurrection. Death is described as being asleep many times in the Bible, by Jesus Himself. There are many more proofs of that and I'm sure you will cover those in your full video. But yes, I agree with you here.

Susan Kane

1y↑13

Thank you for so patiently teaching Bible Truth, Gregg. You are wise for your years!🙏🏼

Mike Davidson northwood london

1y↑2

Then what of Abraham's bosom? Which is now empty
Jesus preached to the captives and they were freed and now are in Heaven
So how could we be anywhere else
Besides paradise?

Mike Davidson northwood london

1y

I never read anything about
Soul sleep

Susan Kane

1y↑2

Soul sleep is the deep, dreamless sleep of death. The Bible says, “ the dead know nothing,” “there is no knowledge or understanding in the grave.” All our thoughts have “perished.” What is the reason for Jesus’s Second Coming? He is coming to raise the righteous dead and to have them meet Him in the air, along with the living righteous people. THEN, we go to paradise/Heaven. There are only a few people in Heaven now- Elijah, Enoch, Moses and a few people who arose from the dead when Jesus arose, and they went later, with Jesus, but spent 40 days on the earth being witnesses for Him. Then they went to heaven with Him. This is Biblical truth🙏🏼

Pearlzsz

39w↑1

@Susan Kaneand ofcourse angels are in heaven

Jim Young

35w

It always amazes me to see so many responses from people that have been most-led all their life like I was until I started really studying the Bible on my own. Dad always said “ Never believe anything you hear and only half of what you see” and that includes what you see in the Bible because we only see what we wish to see or what we believe we should see, NOT WHAT’S REALLY THERE. Read the Bible like it is a contract because EVERY WORD is so important and trust the whole Bible, there is no mistakes in it.
May God bless you all

Paige Haugh

32w↑1

The BODY sleep but the spirit goes to heaven with God.

Biblical End Of Times

1y↑22

This is so true Greg! If you think about it from a logical perspective, how would anyone be resurrected if they were already in heaven. Do they come back down from heaven to then be resurrected. That misunderstood Bible doctrine of people going straight to heaven when they die does not make a bit of sense. People need to actually read their Bibles instead of just believing what preacher's and teachers tell them. Keep up the great work my brother! Praise God always!

Ben&Jessika ROGERS

1y↑5

resurrected bodies meet the soul/spirit above, our fallen bodies is the part of us that is lifted up, and thats the moment we, our soul has a resurrected body, until then believers are in the spirit/soul
x

Sean W

1y↑2

@Ben&Jessika ROGERS with all do respect that is called spiritualism and is forbidden by God for only God is immortal. The devils first lie to mankind was you will not really die, and teaching we have a soul that goes on is like you didn't really die and would claim God a liar as satan teaches.

Biblical End Of Times

1y↑6

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Dust + Breath = Living Soul.
When we die our body returns to the ground it was formed from and the breath (spirit) ( in Hebrew is Ruach) returns to God who gave it. Thus dust minus breath is no longer a living soul.

Donnie Mcsparen

1y

@Biblical End Of Times yes - I agree 👍

Anna Carbone Gollin

1y↑3

I don’t think God keeps us stuck in the grave!
Our souls go to heaven

ISAIAH Olwoc

43w↑1

Whatever jesus says
I believe🙏❤Amen

Conqueror of Jerusalem

1y↑11

I can’t see any biblical evidence for this

Jesus loves you repent and believe in him

1y↑4

Jesus told the theif today you will be with me in paradise. Where in the bible does it say we sleep until Jesus second coming

funnymandre

35w↑1

Don't pray to no one but the loving living almighty God for he and only he alone is worthy of his glory and to be praise 🙏 glory to God

Sandy Azbill

1y↑2

Amen🙏 we sleep in the grave.🙏

Serginio Picard

1y↑5

“There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: and there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16‬:‭19‬-‭31‬ ‭KJV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/1/luk.16.19-30.KJV

Geordie Wishart

1y

Speaking about the rich man it reads, "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom." Again, we must be careful not to presume the story means that the rich man died and went to an ever-burning hellfire. This is an incorrect assumption and not stated in this passage. It directly contradicts other biblical teaching on the matter. Jesus used the Greek word Hades ("hell" in the King James Version), which simply means "the grave." The Expositor's Bible Commentary (vol. 8, p. 992) states: "In the New Testament Hades is never used of the destiny of the believer. Neither is it identified with Gehenna, which is usually connected with fiery judgment as in Matthew 5:22, Matthew 5:29-30; Luke 12:5)."

It's important to also understand that in the Greek language, there are two other words in the Bible often translated "hell." One is tartaroo, which is used only once and refers to the present condition of restraint or imprisonment of fallen angels or demons (2 Peter 2:4). The other word is Gehenna, which is derived from the Hebrew expression Gai-Hinnom, or the Valley of Hinnom. This valley bordered Jerusalem on the south. One Jewish source relates that, in Christ's day, it was used as the city's garbage dump. When Jesus spoke of Gehenna His listeners understood that this "hell" was a destroying fire in which trash and even the bodies of criminals were reduced to ashes. He warned that this kind of fire would be the ultimate fate of those who remain unrepentant (Matthew 13:41). "But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell [Gehenna, or Valley of Hinnom]; yes, I say to you, fear Him" (Luke 12:5).

The rich man awakens from death
Continuing in Luke 16:23 we read about the rich man: "And being in torments in Hades [the grave], he lifted up his eyes." Once again we must be alert to read exactly what the passage says. Just how could the rich man have "lifted up his eyes" after he died? The Bible reveals the only way this can happen is through a resurrection. It explains that the dead can be raised to either immortal (Luke 20:35-36; Romans 8:13) or mortal (physical) life.

For example, Jesus raised another man named Lazarus to mortal life (John 12:17). Also, immediately after Jesus died on the cross many of His faithful followers who had died were raised to physical life (Matthew 27:50-53). In the case of the parable we are studying, the rich man would be raised from the dead as a mortal man, just as he was before he died. Revelation 20:4 explains that God's spirit-begotten children will be resurrected to immortal life at Christ's second coming. However, verse 5 continues by stating, "But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished." So the rich man's resurrection to physical life would occur after that thousand year period (Revelation 20:11-15).

Abraham and the other faithful individuals, including Lazarus, would have been raised as immortal spirit beings at the return of Jesus Christ. Since the rich man would be resurrected near the end of the thousand year timespan as a physical man, it would seem to him as if it is the very next second after he died. He would know absolutely nothing of the vast number of years since his death.

When the rich man "lifted up" or opened his eyes, he immediately "saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom" (Luke 16:23). According to Bible language expert Dr. Lawrence Richards, writing in The Victor Bible Background Commentary: New Testament, Jesus employed contemporary Jewish thought about the afterlife in this parable (which by this time was influenced by pagan mythology).

Dr. Richards wrote that Hades, the abode of the dead, was "thought to be divided into two compartments" and "conversations could be held between persons" in the abode of the righteous and those in the abode of the unrighteous. The New Bible Dictionary (p. 388) says, "Probably the story of Dives [meaning 'rich' {man} in Latin] and Lazarus (Luke 16), like the story of the unjust steward (Luke 16:1-9), is a parable which made use of certain Jewish thinking and is not intended to teach anything about the state of the dead."

Thomas Rzepka

1y↑2

He speaks lies from Hell contradicting the word of God.

mastiff people

26w

AMEN!!!!!! THE SAINTS ARE ASLEEP

Darrell Robinson

1y↑3

He said you will be with me in paradise when he was hanging on the cross

Geordie Wishart

50w

Jesus said that the repentant malefactor would be with him in Paradise. If we can prove where Jesus went when he died, then we can prove whether the malefactor really went to Paradise that day.

Paul states: “For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:3‑4). Jesus was buried—it does not say his body was buried and that his soul went to Paradise. It reads that he—Jesus, himself—was buried. He was dead for three days and nights.

John gives further proof where Jesus was. “Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre. . . . There”—in the tomb—the grave—“laid they Jesus” (John 19:41‑42). It was Jesus who was laid in the tomb, not merely his body. Jesus was dead.

Peter also refers to this: “He [the prophet David] seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption” (Acts 2:31 KJV). Jesus was not in Paradise; he was in hell. The word “hell” ought to be rendered “grave.” The original Greek word used here was hades, meaning the “grave.” It does not mean a fiery, burning hell. The Bible uses another word for that.

Hell or the grave is not Paradise. Since Jesus did not enter Paradise the day of the crucifixion, then neither did the malefactor enter it. Christ has “pre-eminence” in all things (Colossians 1:18). The malefactor, therefore, could not have preceded Christ to Paradise. Whenever the malefactor enters Paradise, Christ will be there too.

Some use 1 Peter 3:19‑20 as supposed proof that Jesus was alive when he was dead—that he preached to spirits in prison during the time he was in the grave asleep in death. But notice what these verses really say. Wicked angels who followed Satan are in chains of darkness, imprisoned for their own folly (Jude 6). When did Jesus preach to the imprisoned spirits? Read it: “. . . in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing” (1 Peter 3:20). Jesus preached to the wicked angels in the days of Noah, not during the time he was in the tomb.

Where is Paradise? Paul wrote of one who was given marvellous revelations from God. In a vision he was “caught up to the third heaven”—God’s throne. “He was caught up into PARADISE” (2 Corinthians 12:1‑5). Paradise is located in the presence of God’s throne.

The Bible further describes Paradise: “To him that over-cometh, to him will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God” (Revelation 2:7, American Standard Version). Note that the tree of life is in the Paradise of God.

Revelation 22, verses 1 and 2 refer to “the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.” In this city we find “a river of water of life . . . proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. . . . And on this side of the river and on that was the tree of life” (American Standard Version). The new Jerusalem contains the tree of life. The Paradise of God is the new Jerusalem.

Jesus said the malefactor would be with him in this Paradise. The new Jerusalem is not yet finished. Jesus is still preparing a place for us in it (John 14:2). Not until after the Millennium will it be fully ready (Revelation 20:1‑5). Not until then will it descend to earth—not until then will the malefactor enter Paradise.

Then what did Jesus mean by saying, “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise”? The thief’s plea was, “Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom” (Luke 23:42). The plain fact is that Jesus has not yet come into his kingdom (Luke 11:2; 19:11; 1 Corinthians 11:26; 1 Thessalonians 4:13‑17; 1 Corinthians 15:23, 49‑52).

Also, most translations of Luke 23:43 are improperly punctuated. A comma placed before the word “today” is incorrect. Punctuation was not used in the Greek that Luke wrote. It was added centuries later. Here is, word for word, the order in the inspired original Greek: “Verily I say to thee today, `With me shalt thou be in the Paradise.’” Jesus stressed the time of his promise—not the time he would be in Paradise.

The malefactor is still dead and buried. Jesus alone is the firstborn from the dead (Romans 8:29; Acts 26:23; 1 Corinthians 15:23). But the time is coming when this man shall be resurrected also and eventually shall enter the Paradise of God along with all the other saints to be with Christ.

Sir Vaant The Silensa

43w↑1

I believe what God says in His word that we go to Heaven after this life if we’re born again there is no soul sleep, Jesus paid an awesome price so we could go back to the Father! Thank you Jesus!💪✝️💪

Sunrises and Sunsets

27w

Jehovah God has saved us all and not even death can separate us from the Love of Jesus Christ ❤

ketrina james

1y↑5

Amen and Amen blessing

Liesely Sunny

31w↑1

“Mary and the saints cannot hear your prayers because they are asleep in the grave.” The fact that you are praying to Mary or the saints..you are already in error. Pray only to the Lord God Jesus. Only he can answer our prayers. All praise glory and honor belongs to him.

sink josias

29w

I will never forget jesus❤🎉

I Know

1y↑5

We are asleep till judgment❤

Andrew Knight

1y

Really?What if the deceased person's body is cremated?what will happen to their soul? Won't it be destroyed in the fire of the crematorium,

Jacob Tennyson

1y

You mean we will sleep until either rapture for the righteous or judgement for the wicked.

I Know

28w

@Andrew KnightNo we sleep in the grave regardless. Or wherever this person died at. If your under the illusion we go to heaven your wrong

Violanda Ngirngetrang

27w

Truly Amen, believers that die don't go straight to heaven. They're asleep in the graves waiting for the second coming of
Jesus. Mary and the saints are also asleep in the graves.

Castelli_goated

37w

Lord save a place for me in heaven in Jesus name amen

Mandisa Zwane

1y↑7

Everyone that has passed is currently asleep awaiting the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼Hallelujah. Amen.

RobertLightfootLee

43w

wrong SDA false teaching

Matthew 10:28
Luke 12:4,5 Open the Sword

Calin boss

41w

I only sleep for a little bit I’m sorry Jesus I’ll go to hell

Shonna Allen

1y

Amen Amen

Sopiko Kandealki

37w↑1

I used to believe that we went straight to hell or heaven. But more I got into religion and more I started to learn, I came to realisation that you are 💯 right. For now we are all asleep until the judgement day.

Cameron Fitch

1y↑5

TODAY you will be with me in paradise. Our judgment comes as soon as we die. The judgment of the wicked comes at 2nd coming.

Geordie Wishart

50w

Jesus said that the repentant malefactor would be with him in Paradise. If we can prove where Jesus went when he died, then we can prove whether the malefactor really went to Paradise that day.

Paul states: “For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:3‑4). Jesus was buried—it does not say his body was buried and that his soul went to Paradise. It reads that he—Jesus, himself—was buried. He was dead for three days and nights.

John gives further proof where Jesus was. “Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre. . . . There”—in the tomb—the grave—“laid they Jesus” (John 19:41‑42). It was Jesus who was laid in the tomb, not merely his body. Jesus was dead.

Peter also refers to this: “He [the prophet David] seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption” (Acts 2:31 KJV). Jesus was not in Paradise; he was in hell. The word “hell” ought to be rendered “grave.” The original Greek word used here was hades, meaning the “grave.” It does not mean a fiery, burning hell. The Bible uses another word for that.

Hell or the grave is not Paradise. Since Jesus did not enter Paradise the day of the crucifixion, then neither did the malefactor enter it. Christ has “pre-eminence” in all things (Colossians 1:18). The malefactor, therefore, could not have preceded Christ to Paradise. Whenever the malefactor enters Paradise, Christ will be there too.

Some use 1 Peter 3:19‑20 as supposed proof that Jesus was alive when he was dead—that he preached to spirits in prison during the time he was in the grave asleep in death. But notice what these verses really say. Wicked angels who followed Satan are in chains of darkness, imprisoned for their own folly (Jude 6). When did Jesus preach to the imprisoned spirits? Read it: “. . . in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing” (1 Peter 3:20). Jesus preached to the wicked angels in the days of Noah, not during the time he was in the tomb.

Where is Paradise? Paul wrote of one who was given marvellous revelations from God. In a vision he was “caught up to the third heaven”—God’s throne. “He was caught up into PARADISE” (2 Corinthians 12:1‑5). Paradise is located in the presence of God’s throne.

The Bible further describes Paradise: “To him that over-cometh, to him will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God” (Revelation 2:7, American Standard Version). Note that the tree of life is in the Paradise of God.

Revelation 22, verses 1 and 2 refer to “the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.” In this city we find “a river of water of life . . . proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. . . . And on this side of the river and on that was the tree of life” (American Standard Version). The new Jerusalem contains the tree of life. The Paradise of God is the new Jerusalem.

Jesus said the malefactor would be with him in this Paradise. The new Jerusalem is not yet finished. Jesus is still preparing a place for us in it (John 14:2). Not until after the Millennium will it be fully ready (Revelation 20:1‑5). Not until then will it descend to earth—not until then will the malefactor enter Paradise.

Then what did Jesus mean by saying, “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise”? The thief’s plea was, “Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom” (Luke 23:42). The plain fact is that Jesus has not yet come into his kingdom (Luke 11:2; 19:11; 1 Corinthians 11:26; 1 Thessalonians 4:13‑17; 1 Corinthians 15:23, 49‑52).

Also, most translations of Luke 23:43 are improperly punctuated. A comma placed before the word “today” is incorrect. Punctuation was not used in the Greek that Luke wrote. It was added centuries later. Here is, word for word, the order in the inspired original Greek: “Verily I say to thee today, `With me shalt thou be in the Paradise.’” Jesus stressed the time of his promise—not the time he would be in Paradise.

The malefactor is still dead and buried. Jesus alone is the firstborn from the dead (Romans 8:29; Acts 26:23; 1 Corinthians 15:23). But the time is coming when this man shall be resurrected also and eventually shall enter the Paradise of God along with all the other saints to be with Christ.

Shenzi

32w

The bible is clear that "To be absent from the body is to be present with The LORD."

Jim Killoughy

1y↑2

Revelation 6:9-11
9When he opened the fifth seal,
I saw under the altar the souls of
those who had been slain for the
word of God and for the witness
they had borne. 10They cried out
with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had
been.
These souls are in heaven guys.

Leonel Garcia

38w

That’s correct!

cole schmitt

1y↑4

Greg YOU Couldn't Be More WRONG ! ! Luke 16:19-31. Not asleep but very much alive in spirit.
Abraham, Lazarus, Rich man NOT ASLEEP.
GREG PLEASE read

RobertLightfootLee

43w↑2

Correct 👍

cole schmitt

43w↑2

@RobertLightfootLee Thank You Robert LightfootLee ! ! !
Luke 16:19-32

RobertLightfootLee

43w↑1

@coleschmitt6569
Revelation 21:7,8
He that overcome shall inherit all things and I will be his God and he shall be my son.
But the fearful, and unbelieving and the abominable, and murderers, and whormongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their. Part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone which is the second death.
These will be cashed in the lake of fire for eternal punishment this is called Eternal Damnation, Condemnation,
2 Thes. 1:8,9
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that no not God and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ who shall be punished with Everlasting Destruction from the presence of a Lord and from the glory of his power. Punishment

You are very welcome, Sir Coleschmitt6569
God bless you my brother in Christ.
I WILL SEE YOU IN THE Kingdom ✌️

cole schmitt

43w↑2

@RobertLightfootLee Gods Holy Peace be in Your Heart and Mind Thru Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. Amen
Thank You Brother
😇

DJ Crash Gun Nut

1y↑1

The Bible is very clear on it. I’m always surprised when preachers get it wrong.

RobertLightfootLee

43w

Correct 👍

Jkellie2825

34w

AMEN MY GOD JESUS GOD SPIRIT AMEN MY ONLY HOLY GOD CHRIST GOD SPIRIT AMEN 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 AMEN JESUS GOD SPIRIT AMEN CHRIST GOD SPIRIT 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE IN YOY MY GOD JESUS GOD SPIRIT MY LOVE CHRIST GOD SPIRIT AMENNGOD SPIRIT AMEN CHRIST GOD SPIRIT AMEN 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

Leo

1y↑3

I agree 💯%

Fionah

35w

Preach it, brother..

Sandhya Yadav

1y

Amen Dear. Jesus Christ I love someone keep him my heart forever love ❤️ Dear Jesus he very important love of my he my life 💞 love you too much 💞

JM11

49w↑3

Mary didn’t die. She was assumed into heaven ❤

Acapella sy

43w↑1

According to the Bible the Bible says that “Man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor be roused from their sleep. … His sons come to honor, and he does not know it; they are brought low, and he does not perceive it” (Job 14:12, 21).
“Nevermore will they have a share in anything done under the sun” (Ecclesiastes 9:6).

The dead cannot contact the living, nor do they know what the living are doing. They are dead. Their thoughts have perished (Psalm 146:4 KJV). Your loved ones are not in heaven looking down on us. The wicked are currently not burning in hell but rather they are in silence in the grave unaware of the passing of time or remembering anything in this life until Jesus returns. They’re gone but they don’t realize it.

Pilgrim

25w

It's simple. "Absent from the body is to present with the Lord ". When a saved sinner dies, their spirit goes to glory, their soul is sleeping and their body decays. The judgment for a Christian is the Judgment Seat of Christ that takes place during the Great Tribulation up in heaven that precedes the marriage supper of the lamb.

Marilyn Lacy

37w

Amen 🙏

Ricky Gilbert

1y↑4

I’m not sure about your theology. When the curtain was rent, and Jesus cried out, many Saints and believers came out of the graves and were seen by many Jesus conquered death and ever since then believers spirits have gone to heaven, but at the rapture they will come back with Jesus to be reunited with their bodies, made imperishable, and then we will that are remaining will be transformed

Emanuel Pena

33w

The devil is speaking. I’m out

Rattlesnake

1y

When you find out about hell because you followed a cult named catholicism.

Malcolm Bulls

33w↑1

But to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord

zoobster

1y

i belive in jesus i love jesus and im scared
of death

Charles Max

1y↑3

Absent from The body is to be present with the lord

Geordie Wishart

50w

The verse does NOT say absent from the body IS TO BE present with the Lord!!

Many have asked about 2 Corinthians 5:8, which says, “We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.” What did Paul mean by “absent from the body”?

Examining the context
Some mistakenly believe that this verse lends credence to the pagan concept of an immortal soul. But is this what this verse is talking about?

Perhaps the two most fundamental rules for understanding the Bible are to:

Look at a given verse in its immediate context.
Look at the subject under discussion in the broader context of the entire Bible.
Let’s apply those rules here.

In the immediate context, the subject begins with the first verse, where the apostle Paul wrote about the temporary nature of physical life. To illustrate his point, he drew an analogy between a tent (illustrating our physical existence) and a permanent building (illustrating the spiritual life that God will grant the saints in the resurrection).

Mortality now—not an immortal soul
In verse 4, he describes our present existence as “mortality,” saying it needs to be “swallowed up by life”—a reference to the change that will take place at the resurrection of the saints, which he wrote about in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54.

These references give us a glimpse into how the subject of mortality is explained in the broader context of the rest of the Bible. Comparing the nature of a human being with the nature of a spirit being, Paul wrote, “This mortal must put on immortality” (1 Corinthians 15:53).

Notice that Paul says nothing of an immortal soul. The Bible uses the word soul to mean a living being. Notice Genesis 2:7 in the King James Version: “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul” (emphasis added).

Thus, the Bible doesn’t say Adam had a soul, but that he was a living soul. The phrase in the Hebrew from which “soul” is translated means a living, breathing being. (See our article “Did God Give Adam an Immortal Soul?”)

The Greek word translated as “soul” conveys a similar meaning to its Hebrew counterpart. Neither language expresses anything immortal about a human being. To the contrary, the words for “soul” in both Hebrew and Greek convey a temporary, mortal nature.

Paul’s analogy of this life as a temporary dwelling
Let’s return now to the immediate context of the verse in question. Verse 6 of 2 Corinthians 5 says that “while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.” This continues the analogy of a temporary dwelling (“at home”). It means that while we are still flesh and blood, we are not with Christ in the way we will be when He establishes His Father’s Kingdom on the earth.

When will the dead be “present with the Lord”? The answer is clear from 1 Corinthians 15. This will occur at the resurrection. That happens when Jesus Christ returns to the earth at the sound of the angel’s heralding trumpet blast.“Absent from the body” (verse 8) refers to being changed from physical to spirit. As 1 Corinthians 15:50-53 says:

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.”

When will the dead be “present with the Lord”? The answer is clear from 1 Corinthians 15. This will occur at the resurrection. That happens when Jesus Christ returns to the earth at the sound of the angel’s heralding trumpet blast. (See Revelation 11:15 and our article “When Will Jesus Return?”)

Obviously, every Christian desires that change, which is the point of verse 8. “We are … well pleased” means we look forward to being “with the Lord” in every sense, including being changed from our physical, mortal state to that of an immortal spirit.

“Death is swallowed up in victory”
The words of 1 Corinthians 15:54 make a fitting summary: “So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: ‘Death

KEVOTLDYASO

1y↑1

When you die to the world you must wait because your still working on the heavenly life. Then the new world will be the judge. As you grow in understanding, God will be full grown In you and then you enter heaven. This is my perspective due to my personal experience

Coal Creek Defense

32w

This is a fact that people DON'T want to hear. It's gotten to a point where I avoid talking about it.

Leslie Ramirez

1y↑6

I know that when you die you're sleeping until the second coming. What you are saying is the real true Amen!

Acapella sy

45w↑2

Exactly but u won’t realize your dead because your thoughts persish along with you

Jose Aaron leo Jeruta

39w

Soul sleep?

Acapella sy

39w

@Jose Aaron leo Jeruta no such thing. The souls ceases to exist at death Jesus calls death a sleep to those who belive in him.

Jose Aaron leo Jeruta

39w↑1

@Acapella sy then why do the Bible, God's Word talks about eternal damnation if the soul ceases to exist after death? What's the point of living for God then while we're still alive if there's no eternal life (bliss) for us with the Lord after death?
If the soul ceases to exist after death, what difference, what advantage do we human beings have over animals? If after death, the soul, the conscious part of man ceases to exist.

CathyG

36w

I believe believers have eternal life and do go straight to the father and wait there in rest and in comfort resting MORESO awaiting the great call like everyone . Those who refused God , wait in another place of “ lights out” .

Curry Bennett

33w

Go straight to Heaven. Much Respect to Everyone from D-Town Tx

Erika Rodriguez

1y↑3

Why are you saying that Mary and the Saints will not hear our prayers? This is not biblical because we are NOT suppose to pray EITHER MARY NOR the SAINTS but only to the Lord God Almighty Father and whatever we ask the Father in Jesus name. He will grant if it's his will he may grant it but if not then we will not receive the answer to our prayers. You MUST be Catholic because only Catholics believe in praying to Mary and the Saints. You should listen to Pastor Gino Jennings, you could learn so much from him. Because he is and was sent from God to awake every human being who continues to do evil and believe different things that are not biblical. You are not following the Truly Living God Almighty Jesus who is the Father and who is the Holy Spirit who are 3 in 1. He alone is God and to the Lord alone we Must pray and no other. This is very wrong and where did you learn this from?

Ethan Railoun

1y

My brother, he is saying you can't pray to Mary and the saints, he's not saying he prays to them as we both know that it is unbiblical

David Williams

1y

@ethanrailoun1831 please pray only to the Father in Jesus name not to Mary

William Tao

44w

Heaven only allows Christians for good only and disallows sims and villainy acts.

Death

28w

I think that time is a natural concept. Say you are dead and you’re “waiting” You wouldn’t consciously be waiting. You’d wake up in heaven even though you have been dead for millions of years.

MyEcoLife

1y↑1

I think Our pets go straight to heaven... they get to go back home... I think they were our pets when we were living in heaven...

Oriqlx

1y↑2

You have to read again brother..... is said also,the one who take my body and my blood (the holy communion) it go from dead to life straight away....... Love

Acapella sy

43w

According to the Bible the Bible says that “Man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor be roused from their sleep. … His sons come to honor, and he does not know it; they are brought low, and he does not perceive it” (Job 14:12, 21).
“Nevermore will they have a share in anything done under the sun” (Ecclesiastes 9:6).

The dead cannot contact the living, nor do they know what the living are doing. They are dead. Their thoughts have perished (Psalm 146:4 KJV). Your loved ones are not in heaven looking down on us. The wicked are currently not burning in hell but rather they are in silence in the grave unaware of the passing of time or remembering anything in this life until Jesus returns. They’re gone but they don’t realize it.

Oriqlx

43w↑1

@Acapella sywell I have a different opinion about this however, first, let’s meet up on the right side of our Lord Jesus Christ and after we talk ....love ❤️brother

Acapella sy

43w

@Oriqlx yesss

Morten Riise-Hanssen

29w

Soulsleep is the only logical doctrine. There's only one judgment day; at the coming of the Lord.

James Connors

38w

there is no jument we Judge Ourselves because God and Jesus love us to much to judge us. but the greatest judge is our self.

Mary Hartsock

1y

AMEN!

J.G.Richie Radoosing

1y

Amen

RobertLightfootLee

43w↑1

Do not be praying to marry God don't like that.

The Soul never sleeps

KeyMusic

48w

Yes it makes sense that the dead are asleep until the second coming of Jesus Christ

Mizraim Medina

1y↑2

In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, till you return unto the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and unto dust shall you return. BERE'SHIYTH (GENESIS) 3:19 את CEPHER

Mary Aranda

1y

I was present with God at my death. I believe unbelievers are in the grave for hudgement.

Sean W

1y

praise God for all you wonderful souls that have found truth!

youngknowledgeseeker

37w

If Paul were alive he would have wrote an entire book or devoted a chapter of a letter to help us with this confusion. Surely the people he would personally teach and preach to would understand what death was in Paul's opinion.

From my understanding 90% or so of scriptures that speak about death describe it rather plainly as, well, death. However there are a small 1-10% minority that may suggest otherwise. Even Jesus called death sleep primarily.

I'm not married to the idea of death being sleep until resurrection but we are thinking about seriously getting engaged.

Bryce Shiflett

38w

I can’t be away from my family that long I want to be with them 24/7 so even if it’s not true ima say we go straight to heaven

Deez Nuts

1y↑1

Alhamdulillah

Daniel Thomp

1y

I heard that only non-believers will be judged........true believers will go straight to heaven.....

Norman Touchet

51w

We sleep till second coming ❤.

Thankful Voice

40w

All Glory Glory Glory to the most Holy Holy Holy LORD YESHUVA Amen Amen 🙏 you
It's written. It's not about what hallucinations, one follows

CurbKreature!

1y

I could care less I just know God is real

Jason Smith

29w

Jesus is King and he is lord

Carroll

32w↑1

I believe some people are asleep and others are in the spirit world which is here on earth most just can't see this

FAITH IN HIS BLOOD MINISTRY

32w↑1

This guy believes in his works and is NOT saved

Christian Lovic

34w

I do believe in soul sleep, but it is important to understand that it only feels like a second before we enter the judgment either way there’s a lot of confusion on this topic and it’s not necessarily some thing that you would be sent to hell for this is a very confusing thing. But again it’s not important. All that matters is we will be in heaven. ❤

AzBboy

27w

We surely aren't just asleep, the Rich Man and Lazarus proves otherwise.

lulu

1y↑1

We don't die we are just energy

T-BoNe

1y

Your smoking 💨

Mursal Uasher

34w

Aman God bless me ❤❤❤❤❤

Kacy Vanzile

1y↑1

I highly want Jesus Christ to come!! I want God to give the Word for Jesus Christ to come back, to come get us!!

Sean W

1y

we have a work to do in sharing the truth to the world and then the end will come. It is not far off. revelation is indeed unfolding rapidly in our day i believe we are like in the end of the end.

Lionheart Merrill

51w

mary & the saints can't ever hear our prayers. Jesus is the only intercessor. C'mon Man!!!

Mildred Bobe-Rivera

1y

All that die are asleep in the graves until JESUS second coming !!!

Ezra Cansler

1y↑1

“TODAY thou shalt see me in paradise”

Geordie Wishart

50w

Jesus said that the repentant malefactor would be with him in Paradise. If we can prove where Jesus went when he died, then we can prove whether the malefactor really went to Paradise that day.

Paul states: “For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:3‑4). Jesus was buried—it does not say his body was buried and that his soul went to Paradise. It reads that he—Jesus, himself—was buried. He was dead for three days and nights.

John gives further proof where Jesus was. “Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre. . . . There”—in the tomb—the grave—“laid they Jesus” (John 19:41‑42). It was Jesus who was laid in the tomb, not merely his body. Jesus was dead.

Peter also refers to this: “He [the prophet David] seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption” (Acts 2:31 KJV). Jesus was not in Paradise; he was in hell. The word “hell” ought to be rendered “grave.” The original Greek word used here was hades, meaning the “grave.” It does not mean a fiery, burning hell. The Bible uses another word for that.

Hell or the grave is not Paradise. Since Jesus did not enter Paradise the day of the crucifixion, then neither did the malefactor enter it. Christ has “pre-eminence” in all things (Colossians 1:18). The malefactor, therefore, could not have preceded Christ to Paradise. Whenever the malefactor enters Paradise, Christ will be there too.

Some use 1 Peter 3:19‑20 as supposed proof that Jesus was alive when he was dead—that he preached to spirits in prison during the time he was in the grave asleep in death. But notice what these verses really say. Wicked angels who followed Satan are in chains of darkness, imprisoned for their own folly (Jude 6). When did Jesus preach to the imprisoned spirits? Read it: “. . . in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing” (1 Peter 3:20). Jesus preached to the wicked angels in the days of Noah, not during the time he was in the tomb.

Where is Paradise? Paul wrote of one who was given marvellous revelations from God. In a vision he was “caught up to the third heaven”—God’s throne. “He was caught up into PARADISE” (2 Corinthians 12:1‑5). Paradise is located in the presence of God’s throne.

The Bible further describes Paradise: “To him that over-cometh, to him will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God” (Revelation 2:7, American Standard Version). Note that the tree of life is in the Paradise of God.

Revelation 22, verses 1 and 2 refer to “the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.” In this city we find “a river of water of life . . . proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. . . . And on this side of the river and on that was the tree of life” (American Standard Version). The new Jerusalem contains the tree of life. The Paradise of God is the new Jerusalem.

Jesus said the malefactor would be with him in this Paradise. The new Jerusalem is not yet finished. Jesus is still preparing a place for us in it (John 14:2). Not until after the Millennium will it be fully ready (Revelation 20:1‑5). Not until then will it descend to earth—not until then will the malefactor enter Paradise.

Then what did Jesus mean by saying, “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise”? The thief’s plea was, “Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom” (Luke 23:42). The plain fact is that Jesus has not yet come into his kingdom (Luke 11:2; 19:11; 1 Corinthians 11:26; 1 Thessalonians 4:13‑17; 1 Corinthians 15:23, 49‑52).

Also, most translations of Luke 23:43 are improperly punctuated. A comma placed before the word “today” is incorrect. Punctuation was not used in the Greek that Luke wrote. It was added centuries later. Here is, word for word, the order in the inspired original Greek: “Verily I say to thee today, `With me shalt thou be in the Paradise.’” Jesus stressed the time of his promise—not the time he would be in Paradise.

The malefactor is still dead and buried. Jesus alone is the firstborn from the dead (Romans 8:29; Acts 26:23; 1 Corinthians 15:23). But the time is coming when this man shall be resurrected also and eventually shall enter the Paradise of God along with all the other saints to be with Christ.

Ezra Cansler

50w

@Geordie Wishart absent from the body is to be present with the Lord - 2 Corinthians 5:8. you need to stop focusing on trying to prove wrong (which you can’t) and try to lead others to salvation

e man

29w

I believe we are in a deep sleep until the second coming because when we sleep time doesn't matter. As soon as we die judgment will be upon us with our loved ones. So the dead never leaves us its the living leaves the dead

Latasha Lea

1y↑1

If Jesus Christ didn’t go to heaven when died for those 3 days & nights, what makes you think your families, friends, etc went to heaven when they passed away? 😂 People really need to start reading their Bibles and listening to God more than man.

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