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John Jacob JinglehimerSchmidt

2y↑9

I've been watching alot of videos on or about AMSL lately, and it seems that a really important piece of information about how lithography is done is not present. But I think it would give the lay person the understanding of why lithography is so difficult.

1. There's explanations on how many transistors, ok ... I think that the avg layperson if they've seen a couple videos about semiconductor mfg'ing has a decent knowledge about how there are billions of transistors on todays cpu type chips.
2. Many people just don't have any idea of what a reticle looks like, that it's one whole chip width and has 1 layer and that it's large.
3. Many people have seen how small a chip is on a wafer but not how big that reticle is. That in order to print that reticle image onto the wafer it has to be "STEPPED" down to actual size. That the issue with stepping is that the wave length of light determines the ultimate limit you can print at. Now my rudimentary knowledge is that 1/2 the used wave length is the limit an image can be stepped down.

It's this limit that ASML is working hard to break through. Heck I've only not been in the industry for 8 years and back then I hadn't heard about immersion, water, lithography or what ever it's called. At the time I got out Intel was still trying to find a High K dialectric so that they could be made thinner.

I think that if more videos included why it was visible, UV, DUV, immersion, and now EUV steppers they'd have a greater appreciation of the hurdles ASML works to overcome.

Just my $0.02

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Jeroen Bouwens

2y↑615

The incredible level of accuracy these machines achieve cannot be overstated. Saying it's "like hitting a coin on earth from the moon with a laser" is a nice analogy and to get an idea of the engineering challenges involved, consider this: If your laser on the moon moves a microdegree (one-millionth of a degree), you will miss your coin by 10 meters. Not only do ASML's machines hit this coin, they do it over and over again, 24/7, millions of times a day, with people walking around, trucks driving by outside, changing temperatures etc. At that scale and level of accuracy EVERYTHING influences your machine. That is ASML's real technical achievement.

lo2740

@Dimitry Gorno Melikov yeah ok, you must be a kid

jsmdnq

This is a bit of an overstatement. While it is accurate any errors are easily discarded due to mass production. Also, a laser having to travel to the moon is vastly different than one having to travel a few meters.

While it is a technical challenge the physics and mathematics are actually rather simple. It is a progressive technology that, in fact, the military funded(and hence tax payers) and yet suits take all the protects. Virtually all advancements is simply progressive optimization. These things didn't happen overnight and literally hundreds of millions if not billions of humans are involved(but only a few benefit from it tremendously).

guydreamr

@Dimitry Gorno Melikov "lmao" My sentiments precisely

Dimitry Gorno Melikov

@guydreamr lmao

guydreamr

@Dimitry Gorno Melikov What makes you think you have the right to take someone's property without their consent? The right to one's inventions is called a "patent," which encourages more discoveries by granted people exclusive rights to their work. Their work product is their property, so if it was invented in our country and the patent was granted in our country, yes it is ours. You want the technology, develop it yourself, pure and simple. Typical authoritarian mindset, whose governments by their very nature suppresses critical thinking and technological development. No wonder why you want to steal from the West, you can produce nothing original on your own.

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Guitarmeggedon IT

2y↑473

I work doing engineering drawings for installing these machines in chip factories. They are incredible. Hats off to the scientists and engineers building them!

transformer stuff

@Tony V seems you mistundertand.

Tony V

@transformer stuff that's my point, the world doesn't go hungry without fancy fruits from the Netherlands but millions go hungry without grains from Ukraine.

transformer stuff

@Tony V The Netherlands plays an important role in the trade of fresh fruit and vegetables. The country is responsible for a fifth of all fresh fruit and vegetables imported into Europe

Belgium produces 150kg of vegetables per capita. In the Netherlands, it's 300kg, excluding more than 200kg of onions. In both countries, apples and pears are the main fruits. In total, Belgium produces 620.000kg of fruit annually, and the Netherlands, 760.000kg. Per inhabitant, that's 55 and 45kg, respectively.

Tony V

@transformer stuff not really, the Dutch exports high valued agricultural products like tulips so the world doesn't go hungry without the Dutch export. Ukraine for example export lower valued agricutural like grains but are essential. Similarly, ASML's is a luxury export but the world can get buy without (hold on to your phone longer and fix it, get new batteries etc...), but without the Russian fossil fuel exports the world is screwed with high energy prices, inflation and economic recession.

World of Aviation

@Uvisir true...and hopefully one day all electronics go away and world return to true peace

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NBA bball Serbia

2y↑1

I remember this when was in the development stage, actually at the end of the development and just entering commercial users, I was blown away with the technology. Well they invested years in the development, they was innovative and they totally deserve to have monopoly. It's impressive technology.

Amrish Kelkar

2y↑279

Worked in the semiconductor industry in silicon valley for 13 years before leaving in 2020. I remain convinced that chip manufacturing is by the far the greatest scientific achievement in terms of what humans are capable of building. It is just reality defying that we are able manufacture features that measures several tens of nanometers across (not one, not two -- but billions of them on a chip the size of your thumbnail, and millions of such chips) , and then have the whole thing do what we actually set out to do, consistently, that too! The semi industry is chock full of extremely intelligent people (absolute nerds) who are hard to find and don't come by that easily. Every day was extremely challenging and stressful , but very very rewarding because I got to address technical problems that only a few get the chance to solve.

Sam3460

congrat to you. I admire your dedication and drive to achieve such a high level of achievement.

Let's Get Lyrics

2y↑1

@Mickeyislowd soon. We went from 7nn to 5nn in 4 years. When we reach 2nn to 1nn and under. Quantumn tunneling is the limit of modern chip. we now have 2 choice. Design our chip more sufficent or stacking our chip (like Apple do to its M1 ULTRA chip). Chip Engineering is a true wonder and engineers deserve all the respect.

Tom Nguyen

2y↑2

Aerospace, material science, medicines, nuclear technology, etc all have advanced a lot in the past 50 years.

Kevin Kanter

Very creative use of the metaphor! Perhaps you can also consider "The Evolution of Microprocessor Packaging" [ref: Intel Technology Journal Q3, 2000 ] (many years ago in 8086 timeframe) from the peripheral wire-bond I/O to the FlipChip PinGridArray of the i286/386 units. The 2 divisions of chip making in the front-end or fab vs chip packaging in back-end assembly-test areas in the production process point to how peripheral i/o could not handle the data nor power demands of the capabilities of the chip. perhaps ... much like 3-dimensional planning of a city with living spaces easily connected to travel vias/ways & supported by vertical provision of water & power from a sub-ground system must be planned. just depends on the modularity of the model you want to address.
Good luck.

Sanjay Singh

@Kevin Kanter Hello. Thank you for your reply. I've been wondering how to bring the wonders of VLSI design to a younger audience and the best example I could think of was that laying out an integrated circuit is similar to laying out a city and it's outer districts that supply and sustain the core. That seems to be a metaphor and analogy that most young people can understand.

I think that the evolution of the Intel processors in particular, from 8086 to 286, 386, 486 and so on, as they evolved the word length and registers and then pipelining and onto multicore would be the VLSI equivalent of urban sprawl, as backwards compatability had to be maintained even as the pressure to advance is there.

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D. Kersten

2y↑516

@ASML is a good company to work for. When I started, the first Twinscan was being created with 300mm wafers and a dual stage which allows simultanious measurement of one wafer and doing the actual lithography on the other one. Customers were so eager to have a machine that could handle 300mm wafers, that the first machines were single stage Twinscans. These 22 years have been incredible and more (Moore) is to come!

Diatonic Delirium

@Mayank Soni Good question Mayank: yes you could go smaller using electron deposition, q-tunneling and other techniques, but... even if you manage to do this, there is a natural physical limit where lines get too thin or close together which leads to resistance or cross talk.
On top of that there is the problem of alignment: every chip is made up of many layers that must 'perfectly' overlay each other to create the transistors and connections.
Finally there is the problem of throughput: at what speed can you produce each layer that is needed for the full chip?
Current ASML machines work at speeds of up to 360 wafers per hour, while most alternative processes are closer to 1-10 wafers per hour. You can guess at the economics unless these alternative machines are at least 50 times cheaper and smaller (as production factory space is also at a premium).
I hope this sheds some light on why there is 'no' competition - there actually is competition for special applications or low volume manufacturing, but it is not (economically) viable for huge production.

Jac Goudsmit

I worked at ASML at what must have been around the same time as you, when "Atlas" was going in production. It was by far the most amazing place I ever worked. The motion control system had to move over 20 things at once, all in perfect harmony, and taking things into account such as the variations in the magnetic field as the stages were floating over the magnets in the linear motors, and the stiffness and motion of the cables that were attached to the stages. I left because I emigrated to the USA, otherwise I'd probably still be working there.
Ironically I live within driving distance of Cymer now, but I've never been there and don't work there, unfortunately.

Ironworker FXR

Did you work in CT plant ?

The Kaiser

@Dave Mould You ARE Edwin A. Abott!
What's next?
Telling me mathematics is science?
TIP: If you want to build a customer friendly combustion motor, look at the cylinder, not at its shadow. It saves you a lot of money in damages.
Now drop it and dive into the pool.
Light is the topic, not cylinders.

The Kaiser

@D. Kersten I like you.

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Srikanth Ramakrishnan

2y↑445

Thanks CNBC for the exclusive footage and content. This technology is so mind-blowing and feels like sorcery every time I learn about it.

Hjalmar

@DMX 10033 Agree! The point is that a lot of people think everything is produced in The Netherlands itself, which is false.

DMX 10033

@Hjalmar They are still dutch, evethough these roses are produced in Kenya. Apple produce in India is not Indian, its American. BTW, Indian biggest export are Indians :)

Jigsaw

@Alchemist actually latest is 3nm

Alchemist

@Jigsaw Impossible for now. ISMC ( Intel ) has signed a proposal with the state of Karnataka ( India) to build India's first fab. But that proposal is for 65nm chip while the latest chip of TSMC is 5nm. So you can guess where we are ?

Apple

2y↑2

meow meow meow

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Mark Knoop

2y↑196

38 years in business and 97% of machines sold is still operating 😤🤯
There are some industries that don't get those number's.

Mark Knoop

2y↑1

@Spock yeah an US company investing in innovation.

Spock

Sound like a old IBM mainframe.

Duncan B

@Mark Knoop If you are unwilling to look up, you will simply not get it.

Mark Knoop

@Duncan B Ford didn't even invent the assembly line.
The pyramid is pile of stones.
So what is gone over my head?

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Mark Moreno

2y↑146

When I was in high school I worked in a clean room and helped produce microchips for Western Electric and other buyers. It was amazing to see silicon crystals growing. We also shot chromium onto very flat glass plates. These plates were coated with various layers but a photo emulsion finished. The target was shot with the circuit image and after acid washes a micro circuit was created for sandwiching inside an IC chip. I made my first photovoltaic cell using a damaged wafer of silicone. After my introduction to clean rooms I later worked in dirtier places- surgical suites.

Asura1951

@William Coleman that might have been thirty or more years ago.

VVayVVard

2y↑1

@Adam Pierce Surgical suites are still much dirtier than the near-vacuums used for precise manufacturing. Bacteria and viruses (the main concern for surgical environments) are relatively large compared to the types of dust and other contaminants that can interfere with the manufacture of nanoscale electronics.

TheYah00netstar

@Mark MorenoPlus...your Dad being a member of a Fraternal network...

Sese Tio

2y↑1

@Mark Moreno Atleast you didn't waste an opportunity! Kudos. If I had a child I would do the same as well! :) You're all good!

Mark Moreno

2y↑11

For those who have asked, the jobs i did while in high school had little to do with the particular HS i went to, but rather that my father worked for a large company with several subsidiaries. He kept his ear open when small part time jobs presented themselves. Yes, in those days surgery did not use HEPA filtration, except perhaps in high-risk cases such as total hip replacement or any prolonged surgery. It is my understanding that today surgical suites are much cleaner than when I worked in one. I was lucky and also attended Cal Tech while still in HS for electronics and other classes. I know not everyone gets the exposure that I did, and that i still get. I suppose it is being at the right place at the right time.

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David B

2y↑83

Very well presented! I did a small amount of design for a version of lithography equipment at MIT back in the 90's, the rate of progress is staggering to me...

wjha NN

2y↑54

ASML is incredible. But I think there are other aspects: The chips produced in this top machines are the heart of any computer - BUT you also need much simpler /rougher chips around the central - and these "old" chips / designs are a big part of the shortage.
IMHO a significant part of the shortage is that the production of that "old" "low level design" chips - that are still necessary - was neglected. I think we are getting more into the dependency of China since they still do that "low level production" but nearly nobody else.
I remember older times. Some around 2000 I visited a train workshop in my hometown. We talked about circuits (Anti slip system) I saw some 7407 on the table and told I have some im my box. He immediately wanted me to sell these. In the 70th I bought them vor <1DM - that time they were willing to pay >14DM each. While these chips were still massive used, nearly nobody produced it any more. For me strange: it seemed nobody was interested to simply run a line with the old designs for some time.

Red 94MR2

@Eddy Jan Any G7 country can afford to buy any company they really need IF the regulatory agencies of that company's country approve the sale and the company is publicly traded. Case in point is that China wouldn't be allowed to buy Lockheed Martin or Raytheon. Also, if it's a privately held company and doesn't want to be bought, nothing can force it to be sold. Case in point is that China can't buy Walmart.

Eddy Jan

@Red 94MR2 China can afford to buy any company on the world they really need. The question is are they been sold?

Red 94MR2

2y↑1

@strong brain That's good news. China can be the king of DUV chips.

strong brain

2y↑3

Even though ASML EUV machines are so expensive and only five main chip makers in the world can afford the machines, there are many companies waiting to buy at least one unit but being not allowed to. These forbidden companies are located inside China and the US has enforced sales embargo of ASML machines to China.

Eva Paz

2y↑1

Check out Chinese fakes of classic semiconductors like bipolar transistors such as TIP35 series or MOSFET such as IRF5xx seriers. The package is perfect. Silicon area and (strength) is one half to one quarter of rated.

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movax20h

2y↑69

These machines are beyond crazy. It is like Manhattan Project, Space Shuttle and Large Hadron Collider combined in terms of complexity. Making things precise once is one thing, making it work non-stop, be thermally stable, and repeatably accurate is few levels harder. Optical system, mechanics, thermals, cycling, positioning are quite crazy.

alex tallen

2y↑1

Here I thought my haas holding a thou was impressive!

Gilbert Hophophop

2y↑11

Yeah it is incredible, I am baffled by the complexity and the scale of production. It is truly a very beautiful and incredibly valuable industry. Dutch people can be very proud of ASML.

GulliNL

2y↑9

I've heard that these machines are SO advanced, even if China would acquire one they wouldn't know how to operate them, and by the time they have reverse-engineered one AND tried to understand how it works, there is a new generation of machines out in the world already.

Simon Y

@Joe tuktyyuktuk if they place a single Chinese boot in Taiwan the inbuilt demolition charges in these factories will go off. They can’t get hold of the tech this way.

Joe tuktyyuktuk

2y↑4

One of the reasons they want to take Taiwan...

Chris Kim

2y↑183

I like how confident the CEO is about the product ASML makes. That divorce line was just perfect 🥰

Eruptic

2y↑3

@pancho I mean ASML has spent like 100 billion in developing EUV. They can monopolize as much as they want tbh. Monopolies are bad when theres no innovation. ASML is the opposite of that.

Ozymandias

@Aravind C Nokia could be replaced easily. ASML not so.

Mark FR

2y↑2

@pancho and yet asml is continously striving for lower costs per chip.

If this was America they would put a premium on quantities instead of lowering overall cost.

Thats the Netherlands, I'm Dutch.

D Gillies

My interpretation : We got ahead of Canon & Nikon and are closing the doors so they can never catch up!

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Alan Souza

Eles dominam a tecnologia de EUV extreme ultraviolet photolithography, litografia de ultravioleta extrema de 13.5 nm.

Agent Smith

2y↑10

The more advanced this industry becomes, the more monopoly ASML will have. The investments made will be in the billions and the knowledge and experience to produce these machines, means that no other corporation will be able to compete.

Spinningjenny

2y↑108

With everything going on in the world, i think this is the peak of human performance and intelligence. Machines which are so complex that only the best mathematicians, physicists and engineers know how to develope and build the damn thing. Only for us to use the chip to watch a movie on our smartphones

Robert Gajewski

I think it is insane peak till EMP event will cool heads a bit.

Dreamtalking Fu

@NeonRayTracer My comments keep disappearing (only detectable when I am logged out), except short and silly ones like the one liner here. Since you seem to be concerned about values, mind sharing your thoughts? Of course my experience is nothing compared to the journalist that got killed in istanbul (and this doesn't prevent the perpetrators from continuing to receive the most advanced weapons). To be honest, I read your comments twice but still couldn't decipher your apparent doublethink. Mind clarifying your position?

Dreamtalking Fu

We as a species have peaked.

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TP G

2y↑135

Excellent insight into this crucial piece of equipment at the frontier of technology 👏🏾

Einstien2409

2y↑42

This truely shows the sheer inginuity of engineers. Mad respect for being the very driving force of society.

2HotFlavored

2y↑2

@u1v1w1 u2v2w2 Here, you dropped your tin foil hat alongside your sleeping meds. Sleep well!

Paweł G

2y↑2

And yet young people look up to sport stars... or even (I am guilty of it too) to drunk and drugged music stars.

u1v1w1 u2v2w2

So far aren't they just increasing the population size and net inequality? Seems like inherent optimism bias and terror management theory will always help regardless of ideologies such as antinatalism based on consent and efilism.

Jiangsu Yzm Steel Products Co.,Ltd

2y↑8

Such incredible innovation, hats off to the engineers!!.As a company in the field of raw steel materials,this is a thumbs up.

TheEvertw

2y↑18

The real reason for AMSL's success is that they took Moore's Law as fact, and work back from that to determine what needs to be done to make it reality. And then be absolutely ruthless in doing what needs to be done.

Take Zeiss for example. ASML management discovered that Zeiss management lacked commitment to achieving what was necessary. So they took over the relevant department, and turns out it was possible -- if you are committed.

Art Post

The reason that Zeiss was able to develop EUV technology at a time when competitors had abandoned the idea as unrealistic is that Zeiss is a company with a very devirced business - consumer optical products, industrial measurement and research technologies, medical technologies and chip lithography technologies. All this has allowed a decades-long funding of EUV research, at the expense of revenues from other fields, without going bankrupt. ASML is just extremely fortunate to have such a company as Zeiss as a partner. 😉

Matthew Workman

2y↑79

Incredible. I'm an engineer for medical lasers and thought that I had the be incredibly precise with my optical alignments. This is magnitudes more precise.

Itchy Arakaki

Kevin Kanter

@Dag_of_the_West good context - thanks for both of your posts on gases and amount of EUV light used in process.

Dag_of_the_West

2y↑2

Calling it a lens is misleading, it is a "virtual lens" formed from mirrors. Also 95% of the EUV light is wasted.

Matt the shitposter

@footballcoreano Yes i've herd the company zeiss go around when talking to that guy

footballcoreano

2y↑3

both medical laser lens and asml lens made by carl zeiss lens

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Marc Overzee

2y↑103

AMSL is a Dutch champion. Philips is a Dutch champion of missed opportunities, they could have had everything and could have been the Apple of Europe.

Marc Overzee

@_Red_Panda_ Where you get your information from? Both in revenue and profitability Apple is bigger than Samsung. With fewer products.

_Red_Panda_

@Marc Overzee apple is teeny compared to samsung lol

Rob Fraser

@Godzilla eat sushi Always at least one American trying to embarrass the rest, huh?

Guser

2y↑1

@Ozymandias It's not that big companies overlook anything. It is that investors in big companies expect minimal risks. Not just investment firms, but think pensions. That is why they are spun off, minimize risks whilst retaining some shares to benefit if the offshoot proves successful.

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Shawn Begay

2y↑37

I used to work for a supplier that built the same machines for one of ASML's divisions, Cymer. I was a highly regarded technical writer documenting how the machines were to be assembled. It was definitely fun and interesting. I would later go on to work for Intel documenting how to maintain their AMHS equipment. I am working for a telemedicine workstation company in Scottsdale, but I am feeling the pull of the semiconductor capital industry.

Corey Canady

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Caleb

Do you know how to design and build ASIC miners from scratch re AZ location

Tarik Ahmia

2y↑45

This is an extremely well made and well researched piece of journalism!

JC Sculpture Studio

agreed!

Roy Grimm

2y↑43

Great Job CNBC.. I was with ASML from 1988 to 2013 and your piece here is very good. Also great job Mike!

Max Fox

2y↑60

Thanks CNBC! That was very informative and well done!

David Bosak

2y↑10

I just want to recognize all the people on this comment board (and everywhere) who have worked in this industry and contributed to this amazing technology. You have literally changed the course of human history, and made everyone's lives so much better. Thank you for your intelligence, perseverance and hard work!

Jasc Random

2y↑133

ASML is one of the best examples of a "Hidden Champion".

Rob Fraser

@TheYah00netstar Japan and the Netherlands have a long history of electronic rivalry, when it's not Nikon accusing ASML of something it is Sony accusing Phillips of something else.

Marc Zhu

@Jasc Random simple at the trade war huawei and this one was in the spotlight.

TheYah00netstar

Or...hideous...Nikon(the leader in the sector) have accused them in the past for 7 counts of patent infringements...and asked the U.S Gov to intervene halting the sale of some of their machines in America...perhaps for a strong reason discretion about business was a must...

Jasc Random

2y↑17

@JDR How many people knew about them before the documentary? or before the pandemic?
Hidden Champions are small-ish companies that in the Top 5 in a niche global market, and are not very well known outside of that market.
Or course, ASML isn't small anymore.

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Osmar Santana Filho

2y↑26

Thumb’s up for all the team who made this content! Great job 👏

Olaf Willocx

2y↑50

The flatness really has nothing to do with what makes those Zeiss mirrors special. Making a flat mirror is easy. Those Zeiss mirrors are multi layered, with multiple reflective layers. That's how they can reflect something like 70% of the light that hits them at those high energies, and that's what's impressive about the mirrors in particular. That and the fact that they don't need to be cleaned from the tin that sticks to them.

Ciprian Popa

Not sure that tin comes close by the mirrors, they likely deviate it with magnets. And yes the real deal is the mirror. Flattening it at those wavelengths is what it makes the difference.

Ciprian Popa

@The O most likely via some mass spectrometry trick, like quadrupole traps. Tin is ionized and charged, so magnets must be the answer.

Olaf Willocx

@Ken Williams same

Ken Williams

2y↑1

@Olaf Willocx I like turtles.

Olaf Willocx

2y↑4

@The O I don't remember exactly how ASML and Zeiss do it, it might be in-situ plasma cleaning for all I know! (And it sounds familiar.) I vaguely remember reading something about it in the 'Asianometry' news letter, so that's a place to look. I remember the mirrors do still need to be removed, but they last for more than a year (practically forever), so is a solved problem from what I know, with a bit of room for improvement maybe in the future.

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Merovingian

2y↑3

Very informative. Knowing the company that’s behind the chipmakers. Investing in companies that have a monopoly isn’t a bad strategy

J. Dunlop

2y↑2

Excellent as being concise with simplified details of an extremely complexed subject! The Chinese tried to make these chip machines, wasting tens of billions of dollars, basically they got conned by charlatans ! (Perhaps the greatest single con in history?)

ChadDickMaLE🧔

Are talking about Province of china funding 25 billion usd stuff

Nripen Shenoy

2y↑18

Good to know these facts.
ASML doing great in technology field 🙏👏

DEVI KUMAR

holy hell, it's incredible to think that we are living in the same world with the companies which are making these incredible engineering machines. it's amazing what capitalism can do to humanity.

Eugene's Youtube Page

Thanks! It would also be really interesting to watch something regarding the environmental impact of all these new chips..

David Cahan

2y↑8

This is one of the most interesting and informative technology videos I've watched maybe ever! Great job!

Angry Gamer

2y↑2

Today I learned that intel, AMD, Samsung, Apple, TSCM, Tesla, and so forth are all children playing with daddy ASML tools. Without ASML we would not be where we are, all hail the technology overlord ASML!

mitchell Butler

2y↑65

Technology... billions of transistors , fractions of the size of a human hair . Who thinks this stuff up seriously?
Looking at inventions like this, it's easy to be humbled by the intelligence of others. Very impressive.

Abdaaf

2y↑3

It's a collective intelligence that humans gathered over the course of centuries.

SJ

@Ferent Cristian Forwards in some ways, backwards in others.

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Jan de Jong

2y↑4

One of the reasons for their success next to their technical capabilities is the fact tha AMSL works together with other companies worldwide. I think AMSL can be regarded as an example to the whole world how we should work together to our common benefit instead of making war and loose everything.

psycronizer

amen to that !

jmlinden7

2y↑81

9:55 the typical method to aim light is to use lenses to refract it. There are no lens materials that are transparent enough to EUV light for this method to work which is why they have to rely 100% on mirrors reflecting it.

footballcoreano

superior carl zeiss lens only!

Dreamtalking Fu

@Matthijs van Duin "there are no optical materials that are transparent at 13.5 nm"
I agree. Gravity in vacuum is no optical material.

jmlinden7

@Matthijs van Duin Yes that was my original statement. You cannot make lenses to refract EUV light. Even if there are materials that are transparent, there are practical reasons why you can't make lenses out of those materials like thinness.

Matthijs van Duin

2y↑1

@jmlinden7 That's not a material property though. If you can't find a material that's still adequately transparent in a thickness sufficient to build lenses, then the original statement that "There are no lens materials that are transparent enough to EUV light" is exactly right.

jmlinden7

@Matthijs van Duin Like you said, anything under 100nm thick, but you can't make lenses out of that

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Rebecca Bersagel

2y↑5

ASML is in an industry that’s Greek to me but I certainly understand it’s importance and specifically the importance of safeguarding the development & manufacture of these critical chips. Sounds like more (better & faster?) manufacturing equipment is desperately needed now given the global situation so we must all be more vigilant henceforth in protecting any and all valuables that musn’t fall into the hands of individuals & governments both foreign & domestic who would seek to harm us be it by choice or chance. I’m glad to know Texas has been selected for a manufacturing location but I didn’t hear mention of city. I fear we’ll see an increase of border drama with the exodus of Russians/Ukrainians adding to the already strained Texas border circumstances but migrations of people leaving hostile areas and people moving into new areas of opportunity are as old as human existence. The best things we can all do: 1) evaluate your own risk tolerance thus your own quality of life; 2) be vigilant if anything in your world looks askew, then figure out a plan based on your wonkiness index; 3) you might wanna join a migration too; 4) Or perhaps go paint a little picture; 5)

Rebecca Bersagel

@autohmae yes likely will happen but if we all remain vigilant & share, well all survive.

autohmae

2y↑2

These issues will turn out to be peanuts compared to the coming climate crisis which will have far far more people migrating. The much lower agricultural production and export in Russia and Ukraine will have huge implications this year already.

triadwarfare

2y↑11

ASML also requires input from their client for their machines. That's why TSMC's machines are different from Intel, and why TSMC was first but Intel had issues with theirs.

David Zita

2y↑4

they are the same intel or TSMC what you are missing is the "circuit diagram designed by intel. not the machine.the problem boils down to circuit diagram engineers not the machine

Dollar Guy

2y↑9

You should definitely get the extended service plan for these when you buy them.

I'm Out

My first job in my previous career field was with a company in Tulsa, Oklahoma back in 1988 that was providing PC and minicomputer based printed circuit board design services to electrical engineering departments in Tulsa and Dallas. At that time, circuit boards were being designed and laid out using the hand taping method, and not many in-house engineering departments yet had the capability to perform this task on more common office computers. Of course over the next very few years that changed. I only bring this up because learning how PCB design and manufacturing was done relates to some basic fundamentals of integrated circuit and chip design and manufacturing. And I was lucky enough to take a tour of Texas Instruments' main manufacturing facility in north Dallas back in the early 2000's. If you ever have a chance to do something like this, you should because it's a lot of fun.
-- --
To end, here is a plea to tech companies' leadership:
Please let's not allow Russia access to any more technology - no more hardware - no more software - no more information at all. As the world can see Vladimir Putin has used outside scientific information to ultimately support building his small war machine - that small machine supported by nuclear weapons - weapons the free world should make an effort to ultimately secure.

UserNotFound

I know they use our software somewhere in the ASML that's how i came to know about their name..but my god, it is astonishing to see what they are building and manufacturing

Marcel Huguenin

2y↑3

Great video. Proud to have such an important company in my country 😎

Husain Seymore

2y↑274

Even with the current fluctuations in the market, i discovered many investors make over $85,000 on a monthly basis, am under pressure to grow my $120k reserve, i would really appreciate any tips or pointers on how i can make this much profits.

Kim James

The coach I use is actually quite known, Rachael Irene Cronin, she has a wide presence on the web, so you can just search her.

David Young

2y↑1

@James Harvey <<<<That’s pretty tight, thing is I hold good companies but profit has been stalling, I should be fixing to retire in 3years so I need all the assistance I can get, who is the pro that guides you?

James Harvey

2y↑1

Totally, my holdings were down alot and I sold at a loss majority of the time, which prompted me seek the service of a coach I found-featured on Bloomberg, she hatched an adjustable system that aligned with my retirement plan and overall goals, it's been less than 2years and I've gained over 830K.

Teshia Anderson

there're tons of avenues to capitalize on in a downtrend to make substantial gains, but these opportunities and trades are successfully carried out by pros.

Emma Wrights

so long all risks are calculated and systems are put in the place, you'd surely rake it in

Edward Grigoryan

2y↑7

This was a much needed documentary. Nice job identifying a crucial knowledge gap for many and filling it.

Ludwig Haskins

2y↑10

How utterly inspiring. Just genius.

Zardoz Myrh

This is so beyond amazing that it's hard to really grasp but how small and how amazing and how fast are technology is I can understand the monopolizing but it's also a danger in the future

Verge Lab

2y↑5

VERY interesting, i've just been recruited to work for them, looks like a great company

jonathan collard

2y↑8

Quality, informative videos… please keep up the good work. I forward these to my kids regularly in hope they learn something 🤭

Plato's Cave alum

🤞

Baked_Brotatoes

2y↑11

Energy and computer chips make the world turn. Continued funding and research are critical to modern living. Kudos to cnbc for bringing some light to the subject!

C Michael Hoover

Some EUV light!

Arturo Eugster

Just do not sell that technology to those who want to do us harm.

John Jacob JinglehimerSchmidt

2y↑9

82NeXus

Fascinating. But near the beginning it seemed to mix up ASML's long term development with EUV, which is a new technology, only used for very advanced chips I think. Correct me if I'm wrong but it's only used on 5nm and maybe newer 7nm processes?

Also 96% of machines produced still in use! Whoa! 🤯 I wonder if any other industry matches that stat!?

Andiar Rohnds

2y↑1

sounds like one huge fun factory. thank you kind ASMR folks for providing us quality entertainment and you know like everything else on earth 👍👍

Hand Son

I love the extremes of true scientific achievement. Here we have light makeing designs measured by dna strands holding up the chip market and then its the space exploration making giant rockets of extreme precise design to go to space

ravivano

2y↑2

Fun fact, the lenses where the light goes trough can’t have a aberrance of more than 2 atoms in order to work right

Kelly Moses

2y↑1

The A15 contains 15 billion transistors, a 27.1% increase from the A14's transistor count of 11.8 billion. It includes dedicated neural network hardware that Apple calls a new 16-core Neural Engine.[8] The Neural Engine can perform 15.8 trillion operations per second, faster than A14's 11 trillion operations per second (+ 43%).[8] The A15 also includes a new image processor (ISP) with improved computational photography capabilities.[9] Apple also boosted performance by doubling the system cache to 32MB.[10]

Christopher Fitzgerald

2y↑28

96% of machines ever sold are still working!! Wow

arjan van raaij

@M. Continius support and service keeps customers come back.

Bagzhan Sadvakassov

2y↑3

I wonder how many bmws are still running

M.

2y↑5

With upgrades and well documented procedures to upgrade is one of the key reasons. There's so many customers wanting to have their machines running and with time ASML even made sure that the machines had higher output than before. Awesome effort and that's also why ASML exceeds compared to competitors.

TLDR Infographics

2y↑3

That’s crazy

Ant R

2y↑6

ASML is considered the greatest company in the Netherlands.

David

2y↑2

Really hope the chip shortage comes to an end soon, so much inflation right now and the chips are so important for getting us off of Fossil fuels which means less funding for bad actor countries that are propped up by oil.

Rosseboi

Technology is amazing to see unfolding. I think though rather than try and compete with ASML others should try and discover better/other techniques.

That said however when you're down to 3nm how much smaller can you go?.......

Picobyte

2y↑6

The Dutch also dominate agriculture and made their own country. Pretty impressive for a country site like that of bangladesh or any other river delta floodprone country.

kenter Shackle

Come on, u forget its colonial history?.

dan theman

2y↑7

CORRECTION ------ Its not the ONLY lithography machine out there ! Its just the best !
The chip shortage is only for the highest end products ! In fact it basically only produces the smallest chips. We can produce the same chips but on a larger scale (impractical only for very high end products) and in fact a lot of manufacturers are now adopting this approach during this chip shortage.

Fwix Gamer

if you mean you wanna produce a 8 cores i7 10th gen 6.8 billion transistor in a 45nm node well good luck with that man , you will have a 800 w chip to cooldown , have fun sing LN2 24/24 to play warzone .....

Bram Lokhorst

2y↑1

This clearly show your lack of understanding even after watching the video. ASML is the only EUV producer however i would not consider these high end chips unless you consider your phone or your pc high end. you can not produce the same chips the sole value from wafers comes from their density. thats saying a computer is the same as a smart watch technically you are right but in practice you are very wrong the diffrent chips serve a very diffrent role DUV chips can not play the same role as EUV chips but EUV chips can play the same role as DUV chips please watch the video again so you actually understand what its trying to say

Richard Makiya

la industria del chip depende muchisimo del nivel de consumo. Y cuando se habla de consumo, no estamos hablando del usuario final, sino del fabricante. ¿Y dónde están los mayores fabricantes? Notar que es la economia del DUV la que sostiene el desarrollo de la EUV. Luego será el EUV la que sostenga los nuevos desarollos de 1nm. ¿quién tiene la mayor economía sustentada en DUV?

Bonopo Ape

2y↑16

these machines are insane. very cool

Moon Boy

2y↑35

Arguably the finest business on earth.

naguoning

2y↑1

TSMC would be another candidate. They are however utterly intertwined.

mike2nl

The Austrian company for which i worked by ASML In the yeas 2005..2008 to implement the main control hardware. I had done a lot of Sofwtare work from our company for ASML here in the Netherlands. You remember the first DualCore Chip and the QuadCore Chip? There are done of machines like this one.

Val Corp

2y↑3

Loving the quality guys keep up the great work!

Vaibhav Deshmukh

2y↑3

38 years in business and 97% of machines sold are still operating. 38 years in business and 97% of mobiles made using our machines are probably not operating.

Tio Swift

2y↑8

Still blows my mind how a blast of UV light can create billions of transistors on a silicone wafer.

Richard

2y↑1

There is more to it.
Metal layer depositions, etching, ion implanting, heat anneal steps etc.

JcX

2y↑29

Great Vid! I currently work at ASML! Awesome company to work for. Although they’ll squeeze your brain out for ideas.

“Any Ideas? Any Ideas? Any Ideas?……….. Any Ideas?”

Goes to the coffee machine, Poof! We have an idea!! Next thing you know, it’s getting patented.

arjan van raaij

Your lucky, there thousends of tech companies that work the opposite way.

Luigi Riccardo

Clearly it shows our dependence from the chip manufacturing that is being put for all electronics that function in every products to give us the commodity of our living lifestyle.

Guenther Michaels

2y↑2

Finally, thank you. I always wanted to know.
Who makes the machines that make the chips. That is more impressive and vital than the companies making the chips.
Same in manufacturing.
Look at any automobile plant in the world. Who makes the production equipment? Robots are everywhere. Orange is KUKA, German co. Now owned by China.
ABB, Swedish- Swiss co.
2 others are Japanese.
None American

Tim Kiehl

2y↑24

After I was a USAF pilot, in the early 80's I worked in a 100mm wafer line down in San Diego as a Photo-lithography and etch process engineer where I used the great great granddaddy of these systems. Never thought I'd become nostalgic about those times and that job LOL

Dag_of_the_West

Our gate oxides were about 100 angstroms thick at that time.

Dag_of_the_West

Yeah in the early 90's I was a Diffusion process engineer and we had 150 mm wafers and a 0.8 μm (known as submicron) process. Next year 0.5 μm.

Tim Kiehl

2y↑2

@Hugh Jass Studios 100mm (4") -- thanks, it was a typo, the resolution was 1.2μm

Garrett McEwen

2y↑2

@Hugh Jass Studios He likely meant a 100mm wafer fab. 4 inch wafers.

Hugh Jass Studios

2y↑1

I would say that 100 nm (130 nm mfg. started in '01) would be alien tech in the early 80s, but 1000nm (1.0 μm) makes much more sense for the given time period

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Zara Thustra

2y↑13

I get that they figured out a way to print nm sized chips but I'll never figure out how, with that enormous electron density, they don't fry immediately upon switching them on.

Mark Frencken

just imagine in your usb stick your data (a bit) is presented by a countable number of electrons.

Dag_of_the_West

@Matthijs van Duin hasn't the dielectric materials become more exotic as well, we used mainly silicon dioxide back when I was in the industry.

Matthijs van Duin

2y↑4

It's one of the reasons the voltage at which chips operate internally has become lower and lower over time. For example, while the (definitely not cutting-edge, I think 45 nm) processors on the embedded systems I work with still have 3.3V interfaces, these actually use special tricks to handle such hazardously high voltages, using multiple transistors in sequence and intermediate bias voltages to control them, because putting more than 2V across a single transistor would damage it. Internally this chip mostly operates at 1.1V.

Astovoc Azrro

2y↑1

Drip the electrons into it one by one lol

PegDowncom

2y↑2

I was wondering the same. These chips have unique nanoscale gating designs to handle this

hallmobility

2y↑12

TMSC announced its chip plant in Arizona in May of 2020, after already deciding to build a vast US plant. Intel announced its Ohio plant in March of 2021. So the proposed US CHIPS Act is well behind the curve.

Dag_of_the_West

@hallmobility but you see now all those chip plants that were already under construction can get fast-track environmental permits and govt money to finish the construction.

hallmobility

@Dag_of_the_West OK, so I said putting the cart before the horse, now it's putting the cart before FIVE horses. Same worthless politicians.

Dag_of_the_West

By the way it is TSMC not TMSC.

Dag_of_the_West

@hallmobility. You might want to check again, I believe there are 5 chip plants being built in Arizona right now.

Vision World

2y↑2

Not behind, they still need those Lithography machines to be created. As the announcement stated.

naguoning

2y↑4

ASML in the Netherlands and TSMC in Taiwan... bizarre that 2 not so huge countries, 2 companies basically dominate the supply of chips that power everything that is modern.

Profiler

2y↑1

Both co-founded by Philips of the netherlands

Luqman Ahmed

2y↑8

Feels like it is a holy grail of technology

Brian Ingarfill

2y↑11

What a great program and succinctly written and narrated for the "layman", thank you.
Wonderful to read that it is the West that holds the manufacturing upper hand and that the US have taken the lead to manufacture there.

bokiNYC

@Preaching Flames, The Preacher Yea, sure buddy, thanks for the laugh 😂😂

mila ong

2y↑3

Brian Ingarfill
It's wonderful that the west has the upper hand on the manufacturing..... Not at all wonderful. As seen from history, with all the west, esp USA, penchant on hegemonic politics, it will set the world back at least a decade on this much needed progress. As usual when monopolize by the west, the prices would be foreboding, only elite could afford. Market won't be as great so not much development will ensue. Note, if not for Asian and the then developing countries, IT won't be as it's today. We would still be in its stone age. Give credit where credit is due. Racist mindset is just not the order of natural law.

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G. Zeigler

2y↑16

It’s absolutely insane to think if you would have invested just $1500 into Intel when they went public Circa 1981 your money would’ve turned out to be worth about $360,000 due to their 23,500% gain over that time span. That’s not counting dividends as well.

If you had invested $8,500 it would be worth about 1.8$ Million to this day.

The major point of this example is, if you haven’t began your investing career I would urge you to start now. Also always remember time in the market is always better than trying to time the market.

G. Zeigler

@Osheen Haghnazarian cool

Osheen Haghnazarian

That’s only two weeks worth of work in the options market. No need to wait 40years

Franz O

2y↑38

don't forget the role of the Dutch government on this. Very forward looking, science-based strategic vision. The brainport tech incubator concept in Eindhoven will hatch another ASML and is the reason why my son chose Tu Eindhoven to study

J Sharp

Franz...You might be right about the Dutch but then again I think there is a lot of "POed" farmers that are getting quite testy at the moment..You got to eat to do this fabulous engineering and manufacturing...

sqerdomoonlight

@Zig Fisher i would not call 14K € a year free though. Still quite different compared to Denmark, Sweden, Finland

Zig Fisher

@sqerdomoonlight With housing? That's not much at all :)

sqerdomoonlight

@hydrolife tech free education? studying at TU eindhoven will cost you about 14.000 eur per year with housing

xCr1mmortal

2y↑1

@Francis Same with US companies Intel and Apple.

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Vermilicious

2y↑1

It's quite amazing what they manage to make, but the price tag makes me think there has to be better, easier and cheaper ways to make these chips eventually.

Vermilicious

@TTB Sure, it's just that so few have the means to purchase this equipment for manufacture.

In a wider sense, the highly specialized production of both chips and electronics in general, limits who can really take or create any market segment. Serviceability and reparability is also increasingly more unfeasible.

TTB

2y↑1

Yeah, amazing. On cost, chips today contain 1000x the transistors of 20 years ago, so in a sense you could view the $300M cost of an EUV machine as helping to produce as many transistors as 1000 $300K machines back then. The point is, the emphasis is on producing chips which are smaller, use less power/transistor and are lower cost/transistor. Doing this requires more expensive and complex machines, but they produce more powerful chips than exist, creating more powerful compute platforms for products that were previously not possible (autonomous vehicles, AI, etc.).

People today walk around with a $1000 supercomputer smart phone in their pocket that is more powerful than a super computer from the past that used 1000 times the space, 1000 times the energy and cost 1000’s of times as much. And it’s battery operated. Machines that can keep shrinking chip feature sizes and cramming more transistors (compute power) into the same space all while being more power efficient will help solve new problems and create new products that were not possible before.

In short, $300M is expensive, but each machine produces great value. It is hard to comprehend what it means and take to pack tens and tens of billions of transistors into the size of a penny.

Sam S.

2y↑9

This is absolutely fascinating.

Yuri K

I'm proud to work for ASML 💪

Pareidolia Madness

We need more companies doing this.

adam jankowski

2y↑2

We are too dependent on computers/semi conductors. This will be our downfall one day.

A.J. Haverkamp

2y↑11

This is just one of many great products the Netherlands exports all over the world. A small country, but with some very clever people.

Mark Frencken

@Max Z No idea where Epson entered the equation but be sure that there is (much) more to litho then just the lens

Max Z

@Peter de Valk what do you want it is a cooperation. And without Zeiss ASML wouldnt be able to produce 5nm Chips. Zeiss would then sell their system to Epson making them the market leader. Without Zeiss there are no 5nm chips. Without ASML there would still be 5nm chips.

Peter de Valk

@Max Z And it's ASML that kept Zeiss on their feet.

Max Z

@Peter de Valk what Trash are you talking Zeiss never was able to manufacture a complete machine. They only made the optics in this field how should they come Up with the whole machine. But its the Zeiss optic that separates ASML from Epson and co

Peter de Valk

@Max Z ASML management discovered that Zeiss management lacked commitment to achieving what was necessary. So they took over the relevant department, and turns out it was possible -- if you are committed.

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michael walters

I would love to install machines like this and get away from paper industry machine builds. The tin shot reminds me of video jets ink droplets.

Jim Johnson

2y↑18

As someone who owns stock in this company… I fully support this video 😆

iCost Hop

2y↑1

👍 😂🤣😂🤣🤣

Ypuh

2y↑44

Really cool video of a company that makes our nation proud. They provide a great learning school for a whole region and attract engineering students from over the whole country and even world. Would love to work for them some day.

Raj A

2y↑1

I consider this perfect content to watch during my work day. Thank you for the good information

Siddharth G

2y↑1

As a Asionemetry subscriber I am happy that CNBC is making people aware of tsmc and asml

md iqbal

how complex this technology is! Wow...

Jonathan Robinson

Very informative video -- I hope to see more like it from @CNBN in the future :)

CUMBICA1970

Wow really impressive. Even a monopoly like aviation has two companies competing.

Robert Ferreiro

2y↑3

These machines are not expensive.....they are cutting edge with r+d doing it correctly

Ana M. Caballero Wilson

2y↑1

It is very sophisticated. I could say this because I used to work in phone microchips manufacture.

Sanjay Singh

2y↑1

Question: Why does Intel, or TSMC or Samsung, each with their vast financial resources, rely on another company to produce the technology that they themselves rely on so completely? Do they not have the talent in their own companies to make their own lithography machines? And how does ASML make these machines when no one else can?

Rob Fraser

Patents. To make your own machines you would either have to develop a new method of lithography or license the patent from ASML who would never give such a license because it would create a competitor.

Leafy2203

2y↑1

They most likely rely on ASML and others due to the fact that though they make millions upon millions it's probably not worth the 100s of millions to billions on finding the right people, suppliers, and RnD to try to even compete. It would take precious time and resources away from their own development of the next generation of CPU's all in order to just simply replace a supply chain that's proven to be reliable for decades. They would be spending years to even probably catch up and that's not something worth it to them. Especially since in the video it's stated that almost 800 of ASML's suppliers exclusively supply to them those resources to make lithography machines. This would add to the costs of intel to start a supply chain as they would need to fin reliable suppliers themselves too. It's a monopoly that's hard to be broken due to the sheer costs needed to try to even catch up to DUV most likely not even EUV.

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