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String Quartet in B Minor Hob.III:37 : 1. Allegro moderato
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Richard Atkinson

Gottfried von der Goltz (the first violinist in this recording) has to be the greatest gut-string violinist of all time. I first heard these recordings of Op. 33 almost 20 years ago, and they are still the best quartet performances/recordings of any Haydn or Mozart quartets that I know of. I wish they had recorded some complete cycles instead of just Op. 33.

Jorge Guimarães

uuuh nice unexpected richard atkinson cameo


and Beethoven said Haydn couldn't teach him anything haha

Elaine Blackhurst

Arya Vaseghi Beethoven learnt a huge amount from Haydn who certainly had much to teach him.
There is no evidence that Haydn had any problems with Beethoven’s new works, apart from the misunderstandings that arose over the c minor piano trio Opus 1 No 3. The sources of this story about the c minor trio have been largely discredited as the claims that Haydn said it should not be published cannot be true; when Haydn first heard the work immediately after his return from the second London trip, and made the alleged comment in August 1795, the trio had already been published in Vienna!
The formal lessons which went less well were entirely based on Fuxian counterpoint, and when Haydn departed for his second London trip, Albrechtsberger took on the job, continued to use Fux and found Beethoven equally difficult.

Arya Vaseghi

I think it was fueled by the fact that Haydn disapproved of some of Beethoven's more experimental works in the beginning of his carrier under his tutelage and came to resent him. Later on, he would praise Haydn consistently.

That being said, it is true that Haydn couldn't really teach Beethoven anything that he didn't really already know, remember that this was said in the context of his formal learning under him. That's not to mean that his music couldn't teach him anything.

Elaine Blackhurst

Remo Mazzetti He did say this; it was reported reliably by his former pupil Ferdinand Ries.
It should be made completely clear however that the lessons to which Beethoven was referring were devoted entirely to counterpoint and plodding through exercise from Fux’s manual Gradus ad Parnassum, they were NOT about composition in general. The quotation taken out of context is therefore misleading.
The background to the comment however is one of a series of misunderstandings between the two composers and Beethoven’s annoyance that when he arrived in Vienna in 1792 expecting to be the most celebrated composer in the city, he found Haydn following his first London visit, and even more so after the second in 1795, had assumed the position almost of an avant la lettre international celebrity superstar, of which he was quite simply jealous. Spectacular successes like The Creation in 1798 rubbed salt in the wounds!
Beethoven was far more complimentary about Haydn, indeed defended him from any criticisms once Haydn had effectively ‘retired’ from about 1804.
As I said originally, Beethoven’s comment is probably the most disingenuous comment from one composer about another ever made; Beethoven owed rather more to Haydn (as he very well knew), than he chose to admit. Beethoven’s time came; but he struggled to deal with his old teacher for quite some time.

Elaine Blackhurst

NickB Possibly the most disingenuous comment ever made in the whole history of western classical music.

S Prairie

Papa Haydn was the Bing bang.And he was the mastermind...

Zachary Lavine

S Prairie Yeah!


Wonderful work. I love the way Haydn starts the quartet as if it were beginning in D Major but slyly slips into b minor very soon.

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