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String Quartet in E Major Hob.III:8 : 4. Menuetto
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Elaine Blackhurst

@Timothy Thorne
Well done, it’s good that you’ve been able to work it out for yourself.

Whilst this quartet is competently composed, I think the key to understanding and explaining the long-standing mis-attribution is the fact that it is composed in the style of Haydn, and the copy is quite good.

Another work that I think is similarly problematic is Haydn’s marionette opera Die Feuerstbrunst (1775 - 1778 ?) which for reasons similar to those you have correctly identified with the quartet, I suspect is at best only part-Haydn.

I believe this work was partly composed by Haydn’s pupil Ignaz Pleyel who was studying - and lodging - with Haydn between the ages of 15 and 20 (1772 - 1777) ie at the time of the composition of Die Feuerstbrunst, the overture being identical to a three movement symphony by Pleyel; I have problems with much of the rest as well, especially as it is one of the very few Haydn vocal works I would not recommend to the curious.

All good fun, and we’re as entitled as the experts by just listening with our ears, or studying a score to question some long-held possible mis-attributions.



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Derex

I heard this as a freshman during our chamber unit, and now I'm playing it as a senior during our chamber unit this year

OverBonked

Cool

Aya Sagiv

I'm playing this and it's amazing 😉 I'm playing the viola

Jean-Caude Imokrane

Belle interprétation

Crack 'N' Blast

Haydn's music is beauty in its purest form.

Elaine Blackhurst

@Timothy Thorne
Well done, it’s good that you’ve been able to work it out for yourself.

Whilst this quartet is competently composed, I think the key to understanding and explaining the long-standing mis-attribution is the fact that it is composed in the style of Haydn, and the copy is quite good.

Another work that I think is similarly problematic is Haydn’s marionette opera Die Feuerstbrunst (1775 - 1778 ?) which for reasons similar to those you have correctly identified with the quartet, I suspect is at best only part-Haydn.

I believe this work was partly composed by Haydn’s pupil Ignaz Pleyel who was studying - and lodging - with Haydn between the ages of 15 and 20 (1772 - 1777) ie at the time of the composition of Die Feuerstbrunst, the overture being identical to a three movement symphony by Pleyel; I have problems with much of the rest as well, especially as it is one of the very few Haydn vocal works I would not recommend to the curious.

All good fun, and we’re as entitled as the experts by just listening with our ears, or studying a score to question some long-held possible mis-attributions.

Timothy Thorne

@Elaine Blackhurst after a repeated hearing of this quartet this evening I am quite assured it's not authentic Haydn.

In spite of the quartet's superficial appeal, the harmonic language here is definitely not Haydn. It's quite poor in modulations, which are central to sonata-form movements in particular in Haydn, and better-composed Classical era movements in general.

Crack 'N' Blast

@Elaine Blackhurst I see.

Elaine Blackhurst

Maybe; unfortunately this work is categorically NOT by Haydn.

The normal attribution for this work, and most likely probable composer is Roman Hofstetter (1742 - 1815), but even this is based only on some shaky and circumstantial evidence.

eli composing

Its great that the best movement starts at 4:20

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