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Symphony No. 98 in B-flat major Hob. I:98: IV. Finale. Presto
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@elaineblackhurst1509

You raise an interesting point which is worth considering.

By the time of Haydn’s two visits to England in 1791 - 92, and 1794 -95, the harpsichord was a very old-fashioned instrument indeed.

London fortepiano makers such as Broadwood, and Longman & Broderip were building new fortepianos which were some of the biggest, and most advanced in Europe (though they had a heavier action than Austrian models known to Mozart, and to Haydn hitherto).
A familiarity with these more powerful instruments is reflected in Haydn’s late keyboard works.

During his first stay in London, Salomon arranged for Haydn to use a room at Broadwood’s shop* for composing, and he obviously got to know the instruments very well.

* Haydn signed Broadwood’s guest book on 26 September 1791.

The little solo he wrote for himself at the end of the finale was intended for a fortepiano, not a harpsichord, though he did mark it ‘cembalo solo’ in the score.



@elaineblackhurst1509

@@christianwouters6764
Some interesting points.

Robbins Landon is clear that the news of Mozart’s death did reach London whilst Haydn was composing Symphony 98.
(Haydn mentions his friend’s death as early as January 1792 in a letter he sent back to Vienna).

I believe Mozart’s death to be coincidental, and not relevant to the spirit of the Adagio which is directly aimed at his English audience and an acknowledgement of them through a shared knowledge and understanding of God Save the King; it is nothing to do with Mozart whom Haydn found ‘…almost unknown in England’.

The slow, profound, hymn-like mood of the Adagio is also very un-Mozartian,* and if it were a tribute to Mozart, would he not perhaps have quoted Mozart specifically in the manner Mozart did in the piano concerto K414** when he heard of the death of JC Bach - something of which Haydn would have been well aware.

* Mozart wrote no symphonic slow movements - they are all Andante-type without exception (though there are slow introductions to Symphonies 36, 38, and 39).

** Mozart quotes directly and unambiguously from the Andante grazioso second movement from overture to JC Bach’s opera La calamita de’ cuori.



@elaineblackhurst1509

@@christianwouters6764
I’m not sure that it was via a letter that Haydn found out about the death of Mozart, though it could well have been so.

This is one of those occasions when a little wider historical context is important in piecing together a story.
London was full of foreign musicians, something which during the 1790’s was particularly evident following the events of the French Revolution of 1789 and subsequent French wars which led to a number of refugees arriving in England fleeing from France.

The turmoil and movement inevitably led to news being spread rapidly via word of mouth.

Haydn knew about the death of Mozart as early as January 1792; he wrote to Michael Puchberg (well known to both Mozart and Haydn) in a letter dated that month from London that begins:
‘For sometime I was beside myself about his [Mozart’s] death…’.

The letter can be found in Robbins Landon’s Collected Correspondence and London Notebooks of Joseph Haydn, and is quoted and referenced again in Robbins Landon’s biography -
Haydn: Chronicle and Works, Volume 3, Haydn in England 1791-1795, page 121.

Despite the pan-European turmoil that lasted on-and-off until 1815, Haydn seems to have had little trouble dealing with up to six different publishers in Great Britain, and neither cost nor time ever seemed to be a problem.

Occasional letters went missing, but that happened sometimes even on the relatively short journey from Eszterhaza to Vienna up to 1790.

In short, there is no doubt whatsoever that Haydn knew of the death of Mozart little more than a month after the event.



@elaineblackhurst1509

Not sure the first or second movements could be described as ‘genial’, nor really the contrasting second half of the symphony.

Right from the outset, the ominous B flat minor theme that foreshadows the B flat major of the following Allegro is quite eerie.
The first movement as a whole is rigorously worked-out and you need to concentrate hard to follow the sophisticated musical argument which includes some intense contrapuntal work.
All this - and much more - is anything but genial.

The second movement is sublime and profound; the central minor key section is turbulent and stormy - again, there is no geniality here at all.

Haydn 98 is a serious and weighty symphony that makes a real emotional statement, particularly in the first two movements; Haydn then relaxes the intensity and changes the mood in the final two movements in order to balance the content.
The finale in particular, is a masterclass of playful ingenuity.

You’re quite right though that with every Haydn symphony you come to know, one never ceases to be amazed.

(Subsequent note: it’s possible we may have a false-friend here - for example genial (English) and geniale or genialità (Italian)



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@Mahlerweber

Very nice. I had an old recording which I no longer own. I was expecting a harpsichord toward the finale, but the piano substitute was really refreshing.

@elaineblackhurst1509

You raise an interesting point which is worth considering.

By the time of Haydn’s two visits to England in 1791 - 92, and 1794 -95, the harpsichord was a very old-fashioned instrument indeed.

London fortepiano makers such as Broadwood, and Longman & Broderip were building new fortepianos which were some of the biggest, and most advanced in Europe (though they had a heavier action than Austrian models known to Mozart, and to Haydn hitherto).
A familiarity with these more powerful instruments is reflected in Haydn’s late keyboard works.

During his first stay in London, Salomon arranged for Haydn to use a room at Broadwood’s shop* for composing, and he obviously got to know the instruments very well.

* Haydn signed Broadwood’s guest book on 26 September 1791.

The little solo he wrote for himself at the end of the finale was intended for a fortepiano, not a harpsichord, though he did mark it ‘cembalo solo’ in the score.

@gabrielkaz5250

27:38

@winterdesert1

OMG. This is incredible.

@maxfochtmann9576

Спасибо за запись. Превосходно.

@adamrowe8674

The similarities between this and the slow introduction of the first movement Beethoven's fourth symphony in the same key are striking

@elaineblackhurst1509

The point about the extraordinary b flat minor (sic) Adagio introduction is that it is a clear foreshadowing of the B flat major Allegro that follows.

Forget Beethoven: in many respects this symphony is a significant evolutionary event in its own right.

The opening minor/major theme is developed extensively - including contrapuntally - and towards the end, taken on a highly unlikely tonal journey.

The rest of the symphony is full of new ideas, inspiration, and overall, is a work of the highest originality and genius.

@BlueMeeple

More striking is the similarity between the beginning of 2nd movement and God Save the Queen. :D

@elaineblackhurst1509

@@BlueMeeple
You make a good point; it is the mood and spirit of the British national anthem that pervades this Adagio movement rather than the entirely speculative notion of it being some sort of tribute to the recently deceased Mozart, a mistaken viewpoint that has been aired rather too often in the comments on this symphony.

@karllieck9064

I noticed that right away. Lo!

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