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Symphony in C Minor Hob. I:95: Menuet
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@elaineblackhurst1509

With respect Mason, you’ve missed the point completely.

This symphony is a deliberate and carefully planned journey through different third-related keys and is far more complex than just a minor/major issue.
It is in fact, an enlightenment journey that takes you from one place to another on a carefully planned route.

The tonal journey of Symphony 95 is:
1st movement: c minor
2nd movement: E flat major
3rd movement: c minor - C major - c minor
4th movement: C major.
Within each movement there are various various tonal wandering down little by-ways too.

Beethoven - who owed more to Haydn than he sometimes cared to admit - picked up this technique of moving a symphony from one place to another direct from Haydn (it does not occur in Mozart).

The most obvious example is Beethoven’s 5th symphony which in its tonality is very closely modelled on Haydn 95, with the only difference in the journey from c minor to C major being a different 3rd-related slow movement (Beethoven’s is A flat instead of Haydn’s E flat).
The the rest is identical.

Hope that helps you to understand what’s going on.



@elaineblackhurst1509

Maestro Prodigy
There’s more to it than just starting in the minor and ending in the major.

Haydn’s Symphony 95 is a very carefully planned journey through a series of 3rd related keys:

c minor - E flat major - c minor/C major/c minor - C major*

Additionally, the journey is one from conflict to resolution, and from question to answer, over the course of the whole work.

The interest in tonality and third related keys in particular was something that had fascinated Haydn for some time and some of the most spectacular examples occur in the complex end of act finales in his operas from c.1780 where the chain of 3rd-related keys are much longer and something noted by Mozart.

These tonal journeys - often 3rd-related** - occur elsewhere too in other works, and was something Beethoven picked up and used often too as you correctly identify with his 5th symphony where the journey of 3rd related keys is almost identical to that of Haydn 95, the only difference being in the slow movement where Beethoven moves to a different 3rd related key, A flat where Haydn is in E flat.

HC Robbins Landon has suggested that Haydn’s much earlier c minor Symphony 52 (c.1771) is the ‘grandfather’ of Beethoven’s 5th.

The single greatest example of through-composition and cyclic integration in a single work prior to Beethoven’s 5th symphony (1808) is Haydn’s ‘Farewell’ Symphony 45 (1772).

* Beethoven’s 5th is of course identical except for a different 3rd-related key for the second movement which is in A flat instead of Haydn’s E flat.

** But not always: the piano sonata in E flat major of 1795 for example has a violent change to the completely unrelated key of E major for the slow movement, whilst most of the Opus 76 string quartets defy tonal expectations at almost every turn.



@elaineblackhurst1509

@@federicozimerman8167
After his move to Vienna in 1781, Mozart upped his game with the symphony and 35, 36, 38, and 39 - 41 are six of the greatest symphonies of the 18th century - no argument.

My problem is with the word ‘superior’, a word Mozart himself would not have used in relation to Haydn; superior can only be established by specific measurements - quality of counterpoint, invention, inspiration, orchestration, technique, et cetera, and both Mozart 35 and Haydn 95 are masterpieces in every respect, both different, but neither inferior nor superior.

K551 is clearly superior to K522 as a symphony.

If you prefer one to another, that is a different matter, and no business of mine nor anyone else.

I would also stress that the circumstances surrounding the composition of the two works are so entirely different that comparisons are really not relevant, rather like comparing either with CPE Bach also makes no sense.

Thanks for your comments.



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@user-vo4sd5bg6v

Great and genius composer !
I like Haydn so much.

@davidrehak3539

Joseph Haydn:95.c-moll Szimfónia
1.Allegro 00:05
2.Andante cantabile 07:12
3.Menuetto & Trio 12:21
4.Finálé: Vivace 17:31
Philharmonia Hungarica
Vezényel:Doráti Antal

@MrGer2295

Beautiful! Thanks for posting!

@Leoptxr

What a lovely menuet <3

@Leoptxr

@0火炎 I meant the third movement, a menuet, off course I know this is a symphony

@Leoptxr

It's ok.

@robertnicora1136

yes but have you listen another interpret who plays it a litle stronger ? It is not better?

@LANCEofIRAQ

The sound engineering should deal well with Bassoon because it one of the best Haydn's weapon

@5014eric

Bar 10 & elsewhere in 2nd movement, double basses down to Eb. Isn't that below the normal tuning for lowest string?

@LaurenceGray-et7sb

Speaking as a bass player, they may have temporarily tuned their lowest string down a half-step so they could play the e-flat. Either that or they played the e-flat on their "D" string as I have sometimes had to do.

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