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@a.p.studios8713

5d↑3

It is legit AWESOME
months ago i played omega ruby and i LOVED IT
THE GRAPHICS (promo drawing arts)
THE CHARACTER DESIGNS (2D battle images)
THE DIAGONAL WALKING (i appreciate it so much after pain in gen 4)
THE REUSABLE TMS (such a pain before gen 5)
THE ADDED POKEMON (got a gardevoir and gallade pair early game thanks to the pokeradar, Twilight and Akatsuki (names respectively) were powerhouses with twilight calm mind psychic moonblast shadow ball, akatsuki psycho cut brick break night slash leaf blade that wouldve been impossible early game this nice in most other games)
THE MEGAS (Toro the Swampert, Sparkie the Manectric, Akatsuki and Twilight i just mentioned, Poofy the Altaria and Vanadis the Aggron the only team ive ever played (i always play good ol fashioned way wild catches) that everyone could (and yes i got all the stones) to mega evolve. It was glorious)
THE MUSIC (not as iconic as the oh trumpets but the remixes are quite nice)
THE DELTA EPISODE (lets face it free mega rayquaza is awesome i just wish mine wasnt one shotted by a stupid psycho boost deoxys)
And in my opinion the best part:
THE POKEFUNCTIONS ON THE BOTTOM SCREEN (the stuff carried over from xy are legit underrated. The map is nice and convenient to have always open if you need to keep checking, the radar helps because like xy some caught pokemon can already have heart scale moves (ex this sky attack taillow i caught temporarily 6 min into the game) and repeated pokemon (really helped find akatsuki and twilight given the low rarity of early game ralts), the pokeamie is actually pretty fun with interactive pokemon minigames and the puffs that come in really handy for friendliness (comes in handy for status effects or focus sashing) and tuning the friendship to specific levels (ex evolving twilight while also akatsuki for the kicks of simultaneous evolution), and the best part has to be the training gym area (sure its a lot of spam clicking but for free ev manipulation as early as early game is just nice, came in handy tuning my team towards specific roles (toro, akatsuki, vanadis physical while sparkie twilight poofy special all with multiple types of moves) and the ball shooting 3d moving game is legit worthy as a standalone game, but getting evo stones from simply beating levels is peak, i wouldve otherwise had to wait till after wally pre-e4 to evolve akatsuki)
It’s a great game is what im saying, if only bdsp had a bit more effort, functions, care, anything really

@Itsjustyourimagination

1w↑1

For starters,
Friendship
Secret bases
Level curve
Art style (admittedly subjective)
Poketch
Daycare (tho that was changed in sun/moon)
Not removing Cindy
That whole debacle with the post game/OST
Not using plat as the base for the game
Raminus park isn't really a downgrade but bring back built in transfer you money hungry sobs or hell at least have it be a one time purchase of a physical medium like Box was...

@SinisterPixel

tbh it being a remake of DP was fine but they should have gone the way of the gen 2/3 remakes and added elements from Platinum:

- Expanded Platinum Pokedex
- Improved map design (e.g. Galactic hideout and Fantina's gym)
- Instead of finding Giratina in Turnback Cave you should have been able to open a portal to the distortion world and explore it
- A few of the story beats from Platinum (sans Giratina)
- Improved Platinum teams for boss trainers

I also think they should have done a few small modifications to the maps in a few places. Especially Mt Coronet where there are a LOT of one wide spaces that do not lend themselves well to the movement options.

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@nolangerrans6083

1w↑2.4K

They remade diamond and pearl so closely that they literally carried over bugs from the original that were fixed in platinum

@charnalk5572

1w↑88

BDSP does in fact fix glitches from DP, like Platinum did.
The problem is that people have this misconception that Platinum fixed all of them, and it did not.

They clearly used Platinum as a reference for a lot of stuff, but stuff like Suction cup not working is actually a bug that was still in Platinum (only got fixed in HGSS).

@ChilaAuroraVT

1w↑35

FR/LG was overly faithful too. If pokemon got new evos they couldn't evolve, but would keep trying to.

@lilli7040

1w↑59

@ChilaAuroraVT there's a difference between creating a remake for the first time and a modern remake after previous successful remakes. And even then frlg had qol content, like new areas, including the new types, nature, abilities, etc. (that weren't present in the original game). So it may be one to one in terms of pokedex but definitely a big step forward in gameplay compared to bdsp

@user-eh6qe9bp9g

1w↑2

😂😊

@Skullhawk13

1w↑34

@@ChilaAuroraVTthere’s more mechanical changes going to FR/LG from RBGY than there were between Gen 3 and Gen 6. Held items, natures, IVs and EVs, Special became two stats, Dark and Steel were added, abilities were added, huge mechanical changes on the very foundation of moves like hyper beam can’t skip recharge anymore, Friendship is now all pokemon and has actual gameplay elements, Kanto got a massive graphical overhaul, soft-locks were nearly impossible to create now, The sevi isles, Pokemon could be shiny, HM moves could be forgotten, Pokémon can breed, and probably dozens I’m not remembering. It’s not even close to dismiss it as on par

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@megaputty1765

1w↑3.1K

It is the worst because it’s just a lackluster remake with wasted potential

@Mashu460

1w↑16

No it Pokemon Dash

@1McDonaldsMenuwithNuggets

1w↑9

Me when Pokemon Rumble Rush exists:

@TheDeathmail

1w↑21

To be fair, I feel it's because they added Legends for all the new stuff....

Like, they were the Gen 4 Remake Pair....

I feel the bigger reason was that they didn't add the quality of life updates that were in Platinum

@goldiekoi935

1w↑5

@@Mashu460Pokémon dash was my first pokemon game. My mom got the wrong pokemon game for Christmas when I was a kid so I got lots of nostalgia for it. In my personal opinion you’re wrong but I can see my bias.

@Mashu460

1w↑6

@@goldiekoi935 Dash was my first Pokemon game to and I still think it sucks tbh

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@adrianoctavio

1w↑713

It was so bad it made everyone go from being hyped for remakes to being hyped that we didn't see the unova remake this year.

@armintargaryen9216

1w↑42

Tbh, wanting remakes just for the sake of it was pointless from the beginning. Remakes have to bring interesting novelties to the table

@grydon6422

1w↑90

@armintargaryen9216
Nobody wanted remakes just for the sake of it. We wanted remakes, which up until BDSP meant improved version with loads of extra content and novelty. It’s just that they dropped the ball

@darkyang6601

6d↑7

This is what happens when GameFreak doesn’t make the remakes

@bradhaley8432

5d↑5

@darkyang6601 you beat me to it. I was going to comment on the same thing. Pokémon brilliant diamond and shinning pearl would have been better in terms of at least gameplay if Gamefreak was involved with the game instead of giving ICLA full control over the making of the bdsp games.

@snintendog

3d↑4

@@darkyang6601 no this is what happen when GF HIRES A SHOVELWARE CREATOR.

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@castform7618

1w↑497

Furret took time out of its life to walk for this. Remember that.

@LoinkLoink

1w↑43

He'll continue to walk until we get the proper gen 4 remake

@batofdestiny7801

1w↑24

Furret deserved better

@Ohree

1w↑10

@LoinkLoink
Yeah that isn't happening💀
Not officially at least

@bravewater5737

7d↑4

Unforgivable 😔

@daltonroe3753

12h

and that's bad because?

@jcg7609

1w↑406

If there's one thing that I like about BDSP. It's that it made the community appreciate ORAS a lot more.

@usmanchughtai1751

6d↑44

Bro ORAS is lit 🔥. Love it just as much as the original honestly

@WallOfGaming

6d↑11

Oras is the best remake 🔥

@jakk2631

6d↑4

Yeah regret not getting oras, I thought i have the oringal but I try play it and it just so slow

@a.p.studios8713

5d↑3

@gameinsane4718

5d↑9

Oras was never bad. I think the only thing people really HATED was the eon duo being a handout only a few gyms in but that aside they’ve been almost unanimously liked since launch from what i remember

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@indulgent_pooch

1w↑242

They reused so much of Diamond and Pearls source code that action replay codes for the originals were working on the remakes day 1

@GEESUP70

1w↑18

WAIT THATS CRAZY!!!

@charnalk5572

6d↑18

That is impossible lmfao, wtf is wrong with people?
Cheat codes are specifically designed for the architecture of the DS, they don't even follow the same principle nor do they have the same ram addresses (reason why cheat codes in Diamond English don't work dor Jp Diamond is because the ram offsets are different) or even the same processor or compatible binaries.

I get people not liking BDSP, but lying about it's inner working is completely insane and this fanbase needs to chill.

@kaiseremotion854

5d↑16

@@charnalk5572 apparently it does? but only if you were using a rom

@charnalk5572

@@kaiseremotion854 I mean, if you need to use a rom and not the OG material there's already something fishy going on

@Cantgetrowlet

1w↑783

THE SHINY CHARM DOESN'T WORK
Edit: it works for eggs but not random encounters

@geckls1303

1w↑41

WAIT REALLY?

@littlemimikyu2341

1w↑106

From what I heard, it does work, but only works for eggs.

@Cantgetrowlet

1w↑17

@@littlemimikyu2341 yeah that's right

@geckls1303

1w↑8

🗿

@badrinath5306

1w↑3

@@littlemimikyu2341 the beep??!!!

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@JavaughnBlaziken

1w↑479

It genuinely makes me so sad that these games kinda sucked. The Grand Underground was super fun to explore and let me catch half of my team way earlier than I normally would’ve been able to. But the fact that you can get Pokémon from platinum but not evolve them until the postgame is insane to me. Like why let me get Gligar if you won’t let me evolve it until I beat the game

@CrocoDylianVT

1w↑8

Just "kinda"?

@ratspew932

1w↑15

I was fuming when I realized I won't be able to evolve the Gligar I caught in Grand Underground until postgame. Or any Gligar for that matter.

@ryry8533

7d↑3

@@CrocoDylianVT yes kinda. its still gen 4 so its good.

@chrisschoenthaler5184

5d↑2

It really is astonishing that they made a point of keeping flaws that people griped about from Diamond and Pearl.

All those cool new evolutions for previously weak Gen 2 Pokemon… only for half of them to be unavailable until after you beat the league.

Such a critical lack of fire types that the Elite Four has a fire specialist whose team is less than half Fire types.

@stormylobby

4d↑2

Yeah, I had a lot of fun there too, exploring the grand underground was really cool! And while I haven’t gotten to it yet (mostly cause I dropped the game around the third gym because its BDSP), I saw footage about how they incorporated a really cool way of obtaining Origin Giratina, where you basically do a 1v1 using Giratina to battle against a shadow version of its Origin Form and win the Griseous Orb. It reminds me a lot of the shadow bosses of Persona 4 with not only the actual shadow aspect, but also how the character has to conquer and embrace a darker part of themselves (which, in Giratina’s case, could be it learning to leave its past aggression issues behind it to strive towards a better, brighter future. This could also be something which could also be connected back to LA in the sense that Giratina has finally understood its mistakes from working with Volo to attempt to undo the current universe and, thanks to its bond of friendship with its trainer in BDSP, now understands that people and Pokémon should help each other learn and grow into the best versions of themselves that they can be). It’s little things like that and the grand underground, among a few others, that makes me really think that there must’ve been at least a few people on the BDSP staff that really wanted to make this into the Sinnoh remakes we were all hoping for instead of what are got, which was borderline DP ports. Thinking about what could’ve been had they had more people like that and more time to let the game cook makes my heart ache, especially because Pokémon Diamond was my very first video game and it holds a special place in my heart as a result of that :c

@cheebins

1w↑498

Hearing you use a clip of Shulk screaming caught me way off guard LMAO

@Newsteevie

1w↑78

I needed a screaming sound and Shulk was the one already on my computer

@fieratheproud

1w↑20

@@Newsteevie Oh I KNEW I recognized that Scream of Pure Agony

@aaronjames3228

1w↑4

@@Newsteevielol what

@theratman1997

1w↑11

@@NewsteevieReyn Time Baby!

@TheStickCollector

1w↑7

@@theratman1997Reyn, No!
~~aw yeah baby~~

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@miavolt3165

1w↑176

I’m still disappointed that Cyrus didn’t have his Platinum ending (it felt more like he was paying for his crimes y’know?), AND we didn’t get to properly explore the Distortion World!😢

@EmeralBookwise

1w↑25

Seriously. While I can understand keeping the confrontation at Spear Pillar with Dialga/Palkia true to the originals, but just like OR/AS featured the post-game Delta episode, we could have gotten a post-game quest where Cyrus returns to go after Giratina leading into the Distortion World encounter.

Instead, we get nothing, just a random legendary sitting at the bottom of an unremarkable cave.

@BJGvideos

1w↑10

I like that the ending they DID give him feels like he's working at changing his ways though. Being at the Battle Tower under Palmer's watchful eye seems like parole.

@killshot314

1w↑4

@@EmeralBookwiseIndeed, background pony

@Mystmon

1w↑486

The fact that the Platinum Style outfit was exclusive to an event that I missed is what made me quit. The HM app was a terrible idea. The art style is... weird, but not too bad. The lack of Platinum content was inexcusable. And don't even get me started on that Medicham-stealing criminal...

@ZingoBananaa

1w↑48

agreed, even though i quite enjoyed the game for what it was. Also the music was just perfect for a remake.

But why was the HM app such a terrible idea? HM's were easily one of the most frustrating parts of the Sinnoh games. Even if they kept the HM's as they were, you already had access to pokemon boxes on your menu, so all it would mean is extra time spent swapping around your team.

@jdmathews312

1w↑40

The HM App is great

@robertlupa8273

1w↑49

@@ZingoBananaa I think they could be talking about how clunky using the Poketch is without a second touch screen, which is most notable because it's needed for HMs. Just guessing.

@Mystmon

1w↑19

@@ZingoBananaaThe HM app involves summoning wild Pokémon to do the job for you. That is ridiculous.

'Hey, Mr Bibarel, sir, I can't be bothered to teach my Luxray Strength, so could you shove aside that big stone for us, please? Thank you so much!'

Unpopular opinion: I didn't have much of a problem with HMs or grinding. I saw the former as more teamwork than enslavement, and compared the latter to exam revision rather than a tedious, unsatisfying chore - which brings me to another problem with BD/SP: the fact that there is no toggle on the Exp. Share.

@Mystmon

@@robertlupa8273That would have been inevitable due to the Switch's lack of a touchscreen (save for on the menu). I was referring to the fact that the HM app uses wild Pokémon. I loathe that the obstacles aren't cleared with your own Pokémon anymore. For me it removes a feeling of working together with my Pokémon outside of battle. Even LGP/LGE's Secret Techniques would have been a lot better than that app in my opinion.

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@CloudsAndDays

1w↑46

To me, the worst part of it is that they were shipped unfinished without the official soundtrack or post game areas.
I’m sure in the future, Nintendo will eventually close up the Switch’s online shops. And at some point, they’ll shut down all the current online functions all together in favor of more modern systems.

And there will probably be somebody who gets a physical copy of BDSP and will be stuck playing it without any of those basic updates. The original DP cartridges would have more content than this thing. It’s just such a pathetic wet cat of a game.

@CSketch7023

1w↑33

Let's not forget that atrocious Difficulty Curve. It's a very easy game, but as soon as you reach the elite 4, suddenly your fighting on a Tournament Level.
Given how easy the game is up til that point, most people probably didn't bother to prepare fully for it.

@ratspew932

1w↑16

Don't forget that Cynthia has competitive EV spreads and the game tells you NOTHING about EVs. It's an issue in all pokemon games, making EVs and IVs top secret material, but most trainers don't have EVs anyway so it's bearable. Then there's BDSP Cynthia.

@Skullhawk13

1w↑6

@@ratspew932to be fair I think that’s the only GOOD part. Let the Queen reign supreme.

@ivannatinkle8196

7d↑3

Honestly I enjoyed BDSP, but I didn't exactly have any expectations besides just, trying a gen 4 game for the first time so that's probably why

@Skullhawk13

7d↑1

@@ivannatinkle8196 that’s kinda the crux of our displeasure. It’s a Gen 4 game wholesale. Not like FRLG HGSS or ORAS

@ivannatinkle8196

7d↑1

@@Skullhawk13 Which I'd probably agree with had I experienced those games in the past

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@kordenlp8065

1w↑49

The Persona 3 ending theme was perfectly used

@vanquish8128

Mass destruction

@armintargaryen9216

1w↑3

@@vanquish8128It's Memories of You

@Therealgoroakechi

1w↑1

Rip Door-kun

@LampyGames

1w↑2

Kaze no koe

@Random-Guy328

4d↑1

I screamed internally remmembering the ending(finished persona 3 Reload recently😢)

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@maxoublue1

1w↑30

You know what I liked so much about ORAS? It's the fact that, after catching/defeating the primals, you can now find unique Pokemon that are not in the Hoenn Pokedex with the DexNav, even if you did not unlock the National Dex. This allows you to either change some of your teammates around or, in my case, make a completely new team, using only those new Pokemons you can now obtain, and use them to finish the last part of the game. BDSP, meanwhile, not only has no new Pokemon you can really catch outside of the original games and Platinum, but you can't even bring Pokemon that are from Gen V or above, making them feel like just slightly more polished (and a bit harder) rereleases.

@dany_fg

1w↑53

BDSP is a single game.
There's an internal flag in the program that tells the game what it is.

@themagicpunch

1w↑14

i mean even as a BDSP hater, that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. thats technically true for other Pokemon games, its just done on the source code compiling side rather than being apart of the compiled game.

@Skullhawk13

1w↑10

@@themagicpunchit means you could call fraud for them being separate at all.

@themagicpunch

7d↑5

@@Skullhawk13 if BDSP are "fraud" then literally every pokemon game except the Legends games and Maybe 3rd versions is lmao

@Skullhawk13

7d↑3

@@themagicpunch I mean it's crappy that the versions are arbitrarily different but at least they were not just the same game with an internal flag. Morally it's no different, but legally it actually would be.

@themagicpunch

7d↑5

@@Skullhawk13 does it really matter? the result is literally the exact same. if people weren't able to datamine BDSP then absolutely no one would suspect the internal flag thing. if it were to actually go to court somehow then it would go absolutely nowhere.

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@alittlebitofeverythingyt7394

1w↑179

Cyrus to me was the funniest part of the game. I love how you’re not supposed to know he’s Team Galactic’s boss at first, and then he comes waltzing up to you with their logo slapped front and centre on his jacket. Also his name in the text bubbles never changes from “Boss” to “Cyrus”, even after we learn his name and that he’s Team Galactic’s boss. Every time I look at Cyrus in these games I just burst out laughing with how adorable he looks

@JustDeichan

1w↑16

Meanwhile in the anime they actually made him a friendly buisness man, that enjoyed history on the first meeting.
You dont know how i was confused, when i finally get gen 4 games and seen this man actin the way he is actin.

@BJGvideos

1w↑2

In the original games the character would see the emblem as well so there's no real reason not to show it to the player.

@Feurigel1806

1w↑3

@@JustDeichan
I think Cyrus and hunter J (and her crew) are like the only people in Pokemon anime, who died on screen ^^"
DP anime was something different xD

(Wait, Lysander from the XYZ anime... I think he also died)

@Mauricio0973

1w↑29

They literally could've released a Platinum postgame like with ORAS Delta episode. They really just did the bare minimum. The only good thing to come out of this is the fact that it was made with unreal engine, making it very easy for modders to modify it.

@glowdonk

4d↑2

IT'S MADE IN UNITY
NOT UNREAL
UNITY

@Neevkl_7

1w↑18

The fact that they removed the flag capture mechanic from the underground. I was so ready to hear that banjo music again while chasing my friends.
And stripping the contests down to a rhythm game made me pissed, I was so ready to be a sweat online in the acting contest

@otakutrash6156

1w↑17

The cut the dress up part of contests and changed how secret bases work, that’s why.

@theillusionist1494

1w↑50

I was so happy when this game was announced, because Legends: Arceus was clearly meant to explore the more open design space that Sword and Shield had stepped its toes into, while BDSP could hold down the fort with the topdown gameplay while still giving it the polish and charm of everything we remember loving about Sinnoh. I mean, obviously, it was going to implement the best parts of Platinum and animate the cinematic cutscenes using full character models, right?

Right?

@Brewski007

1w↑54

We got the Cave Story 3D side of the remake spectrum instead of the + side
Edit: I’m sorry I had to remind you this game exists

@gothicboulder

1w↑11

A rare Cave Story 3D player spotted.
But yeah that’s a good comparison to make, all wasted potential

@PsycheTrance65

1w↑3

damn, that version was so upstaged by + that i forgot it existed until now.

@conspiracypanda1200

1w↑1

I genuinely never thought I'd just stumble upon this game mentioned in the wild...

@RainingHotLava

1w↑21

The thing that a remake is supposed to do is improve the original while still staying true to its core. All three previous remakes did that, with many of them being lauded as improvements to their originals. But BD/SP doesn’t do that at all. And it just insanely dropped the Pokéball.

@kanjik3665

1w↑33

I'd say the game is more of a remaster than a remake. Despite there being a lack of Pokèmon, you can still capture a somewhat "decent-ish" variety in the underground. Which is unfortunate since ILCA should have just made all Pokèmon encounters and events from Platinum availble to the player. Let alone there is also Pokèball and character customization. Despite that and the lack of HM usage now being put into the Pokètch, its literally just the same game. No changes what so ever unfortunately.

I did somewhat still enjoyed the game due to being a big Sinnoh fan, but Pokèmon BDSP was def a miss in the remake department.

@mjm3091

I would call it a badly cooked port.

@mr.gamewatch6165

1w↑10

Bro did not just use "Memories of You" from Persona 3 at the end 💀

@crystalcrusader8832

1w↑10

The fact that they stripped underground bases down to just ugly trophy rooms makes me maddeningly upset. What they choose to keep and what they choose to change was completely arbitrary. They spent so much time and effort to make these remakes essentially carbon copies of the originals, and then they couldn’t even get THAT right. It’s nuts.

@lucuador1992

1w↑8

Gen 5 has become my favorite, but I can't help but be terrified by how they'll ruin it when it comes to the remake. Honestly those animated sprites gave the pokemon so much life compared to the 3D "the lights are on, but nobody is home" models we have now.

@oxygenaddict61

Gen 5 remakes should be in the SwSh/SV style, with remakes for both BW and B2W2.

@Bizarrejoe

1w↑24

Matsuda created diamond and pearl, someone else made Platinum as a fix. Matsuda directed BDSP. People blame ILCA for how bad this game is, but no, it wasn't them, it was matsuda's ego. Man shot down every improvements they tried to make. Like for real they have talked about that they had so much planned for the game... Only for matsuda to say, "no, 1 to 1 remake of MY game"

@TrueBladeSoul

1w↑6

Look I love sinnoh but Diamond and Pearl have a lot of flaws that Platinum doesn’t I’d recommend playing them once but Platinum is what you go to for replay value

@Skullhawk13

1w↑10

This is a common problem in Japanese game development. Miamoto nuked the story from RPGs out of personal hatred. Other M was Sakamoto’s dream project. At least in America you can’t be so open when this happens.

@Bizarrejoe

1w↑6

@@Skullhawk13 I personally think that Nintendo will improve by leagues and miles when Miyamoto kicks it or leaves Nintendo. That man is holding back so many franchises with his gimmick obsession. Did you know that the reason there haven't been any fzero and star fox games in two decades is because he can't come up with any new mechanics to base the game around? He's like that with everything, unless your game idea has some radical gimmick to be based around, he doesn't care or want it. The man HATES just iterating on already existing mechanics everything HAS to be 'new'

@Notyouraveragegal69

6d↑1

⁠@@BizarrejoeThat’s kind of how you get more creative games though, we would’ve never gotten Super Mario Bros Wonder for an example if he wasn’t so insistent on gimmicks

And again the gimmick obsession created another phenomenal game in Super Mario Odyssey, one of if not the best 3D Mario ever,

Also your whole argument falls apart when iterating on mechanics is something they’ve done for a long time now, Mario Galaxy 2 improved upon a lot of Galaxy’s drawbacks and made a phenomenal game out of it, 3D World was an iteration on 3D Land where they expanded upon the base, and may I remind you that NSMB series exists which is literally just the same games with small changes…

@Razorshadow73

5d↑3

@Notyouraveragegal69 That works for Mario which is great, but not every franchise has to do that every game -- especially when the context is remaking a previous game, where modernising it while iterating on what made it great in the first place is the primary goal.

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@tigrexkiller1548

1w↑10

Even tho its technically a Remake i refuse to see it as anything but a Remaster

@THGMR-ox7sd

1w↑2

Content wise it's definitely a remaster but it's officially a remake

@Newsteevie

1w↑8

That's perfectly fair. I'm pretty sure it uses lots of the same code, too.

@infiniteoctopaw

1w↑4

Even tho it came out, i refuse to see it as anything else, but "gameplay footage is not final."

@djdrizzy9139

@@THGMR-ox7sdBDSP technically has new content, so even by that definition, it's a remake

@CaptainObliviousV

1w↑10

It’s the Dex and encounter tables that drive me up the wall with this game. The Grand Underground was designed so you can get a wide variety of Pokémon early on or even earlier than intended, you get access to an ice room beneath Celestic before you have to fight Fantina, but Sneasel doesn’t spawn down there until AFTER YOU BEAT CANDICE PAST THE POINT YOU WOULD’VE FOUND ONE IN THE OVERWORLD!!! And for some reason you can find the Deep Sea Tooth & Scale down there despite Clampearl not being in any iteration of the Sinnoh Dex; if they were that opposed to putting many of the evolution items in their Platinum overworld locations then they could’ve put them down here, but no, Clampearl takes priority while mons from the Platinum Dex that are in the GU can wait till the post game.

Though, I guess it did do some personal good in the end. I was originally planning to use Yanmega, but that’s not available, so I ended up using a mon I never would’ve even thought of before, Mothim. And now I really like Mothim; I named mine Nubert.

@aaronjames3228

1w↑1

It's clamperl

@CaptainObliviousV

1w↑1

@@aaronjames3228 ok?

@isaac_aren

1w↑7

Everyone kept demanding a faithful remake and when they got exactly what they wanted, they weren't happy

@chiefmegaton4227

3d↑1

That pokemon contest is not the same as diamond and pearl

@rugalbernstein5913

3d↑3

Who was demanding a 'faithful' remake? I'm pretty sure anyone that was looking for a Gen 4 remake were mainly just expecting Gen 4's region with Gen 8's engine and a Gen 1-8 Pokédex (prior to Gen 8 actually coming out and revealing they cut the National dex)

@micah2936

I feel like I’m the only one who was really happy with it……..

@isaac_aren

@@rugalbernstein5913 Everyone constantly went on about how perfect the games were and if anything was changed it wouldn't be the same. People were begging for a return to a more traditional pokemon without a gimmick. Everyone disliked X and Y when it came out, ignored Sun and Moon and hated Sword and Shield. You got your faithful remake in a traditional style

@mjm3091

2d↑1

@@isaac_aren but people were talking about Platinum, not DP. Also those aren't even faithful remakes. They look worse and they lose a lot of elements from original games. The only good addition being new underground at the cost of old one and updates for Elite 4 teams.

Also it was still minimal amount of people. Same with disliking newer gens. Numbers said otherwise when it cames to sales.

@chuganoga1908

1w↑8

When people say they “love Gen 4” they really mean they love platinum.

@omegaphoenix3015

Lmao nah I love Pearl more than Platinum. First DS pokemon game coming off of Emerald of GBA

@IDidntWantAHandleYouTube

1w↑4

HGSS too. Those were phenomenal remakes despite the general issues with Johto as a region.

@djdrizzy9139

1w↑1

Nah, I love all of gen 4 Sinnoh. I started with Pearl and played Platinum later, and I enjoyed both during my childhood. Of course, Platinum is much better, but we can appreciate Platinum more because of DP.

@chuganoga1908

5d↑1

@@IDidntWantAHandleYouTube HGSS are some of my all time favorite pokemon games. Just amazing

@chuganoga1908

@@omegaphoenix3015 but plat is just a better D/P

@eric_moore-6126

1w↑5

No they didn't. The re-released Diamond and Pearl. They didn't owe us real Gen IV remakes before, but they do now.

@axolotlstudios7918

1w↑12

As the biggest defender of switch pokemon games, bdsp are easily my least favorite mainline game. Mostly because I have no reason to play It over platinum

@SnakesTheBas

1w↑14

If it was based off of platinum I'd definitely would've liked it instead of hate even if they didn't add anything

@genarftheunfuni5227

1w↑5

In my opinion, Diamond and Pearl on the DS are worse, but the negative feelings on this one are more than understandable.

With ORAS and HGSS existing, it felt like a slap in the face to have a remake extremely faithful to the originals with barely any content from the third edition.

@TrueBladeSoul

1w↑1

Hey at least og diamond and pearl only had to compete with the first 3 gens and have nostalgia to hold them up but after 4 more generations they took the worst aspects of the originals slapped a couple half assed fixes ignored platinum and added some of the most controversial aspects of modern Pokemon…… like the fact that Platinum is still the objectively superior game says a lot

@genarftheunfuni5227

1w↑4

@@TrueBladeSoul That's the issue, Diamond and Pearl had to compete with Emerald and Crystal.

Did those games have a limited Pokedex? Nope, Johto may have taken some of its mons to Kanto, but the dex is already pretty wide and varied. Did those games have laggy battles with eternal HP bard? Nope. Did they have more content? That only goes to Crystal because I don't count battle facilities.

BDSP is certainly the worst remake, but did a good job to it's purpose: be better than Diamond and Pearl

@THGMR-ox7sd

1w↑5

I don't hate BDSP but even I have to admit they would be far better with platinum content. But I guess Legends Arceus was meant to be the true gen 4 remake and they decided to do BDSP first? I don't know the full story but if they were gonna actually remake BDSP then why would they make it bad on purpose? It seems like they easily could have added platinum content if they literally did new stuff in the previous remakes.

Felt more like Diamond and Pearl 3D Edition instead of proper Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl.

@Newsteevie

1w↑3

I remember seeing a theory about that. Since Legends Arceus was a new thing, it was risky. So they pumped out BDSP to act as a sort of safety net.

@TrueBladeSoul

1w↑2

⁠@@Newsteevie well that backfired the games they realesed to basically make the fan base happy is hated by the fanbase and the game they were worried about is one of the most popular

@TheOGPlatypus

1w↑3

Honestly, I’d pay good money to get Pokemon to re-remake Diamond/Pearl but actually make it a worthwhile game

@alejoloor8094

1w↑3

It bothers me that they said it was a faithful remake, but they removed EVERYTHING about the pokemon contests, and changed them to the musical game.

@13Lion

1w↑2

The bright side of this remake is that it has given fans many possibilities with modding. Some of the mods I’ve seen made me wonder if this was the same game or not

@Iyaz45

1w↑3

i hated the fact i was always overleveled. they added the exp all, but didnt give npcs stronger pokemon.
i want gym leaders to be strong and team galactic to seem like an actual threat rather than a cake walk

@GrassSnekSnivey

1w↑4

It didn't just feel like a remake, but a copy of Diamond and Pearl, with a few minimal improvements. The chibi look was fine, the character models in battle looked good. It just lacked something that the other remakes had. Like in HGSS, which included some crystal content (like Suicune and Eusin), they unfortunately missed the potential to include some plot points from Platinum. I dropped the game in Veilstone City and can't even sell it because it was from the EShop. I'll finish it sometime when I have the time and mood for it.

@Skullhawk13

Same this was the final straw that made me quit pokemon. Scarlet and Violet being buggy to the extreme was confirmation.

@GrassSnekSnivey

@@Skullhawk13 Well, I don't quit Pokemon because I'm more in the PMD fandom anyway, but apart from a remake, there hasn't been a new installment in the series for years. 😞

@teran89331

1w↑5

>"Pokemon Dash is what most people would say"

WHAT THE HELL THAT GAME IS SO FUN I LOVE IT

YEAH, THE GAMEPLAY IS ELEMENTARY AF, BUT I ADORE IT WITH ALL MY HEART AND WILL DEFEND IT WITH MY LIFE

STAN POKEMON DASH FOR CLEAR SKIN

@TechGamerExpert

WE STAN POKEMON DASH.

Like really it was a huge part of my childhood alongside the pokeathlon in HGSS. I will love it till my last day.

@joaogomes9405

1w↑8

My man leads with "no one can agree why BDSP are the worst", then proceeds to list the reasons why we all agree BDSP are the worst

@MaseTheAce

1w↑4

Admittedly I was disappointed by BDSP, but that was mainly because I had played the original in the past. On their own, I wouldn’t say the games are bad and think they would be great for people who never played the original, but for people who did play them, it’s just bad since they didn’t expand on it like with ORAS and left out all the Platinum content.

@The-great-one41

1w↑3

The problem whit this remake also IS that TM aren't reusable even if they were reusable since gen 5. But the worse is that im really dissapointed that they didn't made the battle frontier or bring New abilities

@user-mq7pj5wr7f

1w↑2

Wait, Looker was a part of Platinum?! Bruh that guy is goofy as hell!! Why wasn’t he a part of BDSP?!?!

@dancarter5775

1w↑3

I mean, no battle frontier is bad enough. But then they try to say it's to keep the remakes faithful to the originals, yet add tons of Pokémon to the Underground, and completely remake the underground to include wild Pokémon, but remove most of what made the underground fun. They added outfits to customize your trainer (which wasn't a thing), and then have the gall to REMOVE THE GAME CORNER?! SORRY, BUT HOW IS THIS FAITHFUL?!

@Skullhawk13

1w↑1

Game corner is a legal issue. Gambling bumps the rating

@dancarter5775

@@Skullhawk13 normally I'd agree, however, it was allowed for years in the prior games. And it was absolutely NOT adequately replaced, and is immediately contradictory to the "faithful remake".

@Skullhawk13

1w↑3

@@dancarter5775 oh don’t get me wrong these games are a trainwreck so bad I was in bad enough faith that previews of scarlet and violet killed my hype and I ended my time playing pokemon. I’d just prefer criticism focus on the trillion things wrong that have no excuse in the vain hope Gen 5 remakes could occur as not this bad. The game corner change was a result of laws getting tighter. Even the virtual console releases got a rating bump for a direct port.

@bravewater5737

1w↑3

In my opinion:

1. The remakes should've taken more elements from Platinum. (Would've been really cool to visit the Distortion World again.)

2. They should've brought back the Battle Frontier.

3. Would've been great to have Mega Evolutions back and Regional Forms.

@yabukiman4273

1w↑3

FRLG, HGSS and ORAS = soul
BDSP = soulless

@zjuraeventide8949

1w↑2

It feels like less of a remake and more of an upscaled port. And as someone who missed out on playing the originals, the remakes made me feel like I dodged a bullet. It's weird that the remade diamond and pearl when platinum was the definitive edition. Even ORAS included the Delta Episode to try and tie in some of Emerald and actually gave what I thought was one of the best rival endings in the franchise.

@bradpennartz

1w↑1

So many people wanted an ORAS version of Sinnoh, but we instead got a disappointment.

@AIConstantine

1w↑5

The problem with them is that there were advertised as remakes but should more accurately be described as remasters. A remake of the games should have looked like Sword and Shield, the current gen standard at the time; instead these took the story and much of the old style and just updated the graphics. The few added features were lackluster or didn’t add meaningfully to the game like they would in a proper remake.

@Metahunt638

1w↑5

Bdsp was actually good and all of the haters can back off. Yes I did not like the models at first but now I gotten used to them. I never got to play the originals so this is better imo.

And must I say they did AMAZING with the music. Especially girtinas theme.

@Newsteevie

1w↑2

Oh, the music is fantastic. I don't think anyone can deny that.

@THGMR-ox7sd

1w↑3

It is good on its own but the fact that platinum exists and the fact remakes used to add new content to the games instead if just copy paste is the reason why it's kinda bad.

I enjoyed BDSP despite that but it's just silly they let that happen.

@Metahunt638

@@THGMR-ox7sd I will never get to play platinum because of the people who are charging 100+ for a game that was probably 15$ in its time

@phantomwizard4322

1w↑1

⁠@@Metahunt638just emulate it then

@Metahunt638

@@phantomwizard4322 I don’t really emulate things.
1 sometimes it’s confusing
2 I would rather just get the game because it feels like I’m pirating a game and I know it’s not bad to emulate.
And 3 I would rather play on the 3ds or ds

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@Slick1512

1w↑2

I’ve never played Gen 4 prior to BDSP, Gen 5 part 1 was my introduction to the series after all.

@lazy2335

1w↑2

People would have been more happy if they just re-released the original dpp games with more content on the switch and re opened the online play. That would have been hype. Like the original dpp with character customisation, a battle tower, built in nuzlocke mode, maybe revamp some of the old systems like contests and bases to make them cooler. Stuff like that. If they just spruce up the old games rather than remaking them it would be better. Cause. I think if they fck up a gen5 remake there could be riots.

@user-dq8mirza

1w↑4

You really say what you want 😂

@HaughtyToast

1w↑4

It is more justified knowing that there will come a point where the old games can't connect to the new ones. Also the cloning glitch and free mythical pokemon are nice.

@robertlupa8273

1w↑1

And being made in Unity made it the easiest post-GBA game to mod, although that was unintentional.

@noahmaldonado5461

1w↑2

In its attempt to be faithful to the originals, BDSP just comes across as soulless cashgrabs that only improve a select few things from the original DP. Also there's the fact that the community wanted DP remakes for so long and when we finally got them... They were BDSP.

@TrueBladeSoul

1w↑1

To be fair we wanted a either a platinum remake or diamond and pearl remakes that had the platinum dex and improvements

@chronic_daydreamer

1w↑1

I waited so long for these games. The online community mocked us for believing they would come along one day. It hurts to see the concept art knowing what we could have had versus what we ended up with. Legends Arceus was a decent consolation I suppose but I crave to see Platinum in all its glory, or at least some sort of sequel.

@nighthunter1450

1w↑3

❤❤❤

@user-dq8mirza

1w↑1

I beat you by 2 seconds 😂

@gametugboat3985

1w↑5

you BEGED for a remake than complain about it. yall are the reason i dont associate with the rest of the pokemon comunity

@philipmarable8698

1w↑1

Fans ALWAYS beg for a remake and then complain when it doesn’t turn out the way they want it.

@infiniteoctopaw

1w↑2

Because we didn't get a remake. We got resold a worse version OF the worst version. But now it looks like a mobile add. And cost twice as much, and it's only half the game AND now we have to pay for features that used to be hosted free, Like online. And a bunch of fun mini games.

@gametugboat3985

@@philipmarable8698 i have been playing pokemon since the days of b2w2. i have not once heard of a generation that people havent complained about since then.

@darkbird4751

1w↑2

I'm so upset with that game cuz we didn't get 3d distortion world it would've looked amazing

@GSS1Sirius

1w↑1

"No one can say why they don't like it."
That's the summary sentence of trend hating.

@downbeatdialga1341

1w↑1

NOT THE “MEMORIES OF YOU” CREDITS 😭😭💀😭

I’m crying emoji both from you memeing that, and also from recently beating P3Reload and remembering the credits

@mjm3091

2d↑1

Mind you - imagine if they went ORAS route but also added a lot of stuff added in Hisuian lore. Including adding Hisuian Pokemon to the roster. Sure Hisuian Growlithe shouldn't be in grass, but we could still get one from Perrin, giving us essential new fire type Pokemon that would feel natural. Ursaluna encounter from Kitakami would be big thing that could have been added as well.

@pinho7047

3d↑1

To be fair, the company responsible to make bdsp was a company that has never done such a big project like this before

@NassiLove

1w↑2

The real remake was legends arceus but I think they were afraid of people hating it cus it was too different, so they just made ILCA do a faithful remake to make up for it

I’ve seen people hate legends because it wasn’t Pokémon so I guess you got BDSP congrats broski

@Ashymations

4d↑1

BDSP proves that when fans (of any series) want a "faithful" remake, they really do NOT want a faithful remake.

@cold-bloodedbeats4139

1w↑1

Fun fact, the source code for BDSP is basically the exact same source code for Diamond and Pearl. That's why certain glitches you could perform in DP can be performed in BDSP without much issue

@UrFavManz

1w↑1

People mad at bdsp for just existing when they essentially did the same thing with fire red and leaf green lol

@BelovedAngel18

1w↑1

You know what more sucks is that the platinum story work so well with the legends Arceus lore with Giratina!
BDSP isn't a remake it's a falsemake!😭

@GiratinaofFury

1w↑1

I feel annoyed that where ORAS incorporated Mega Evolutions, BDSP didn't incorporate or acknowledge Dynamax. I mean, the phenomena occurs due to distorted time and space, and the very elements of the mascots. Why did they not add it?

@mastrorick

1w↑1

Ironic how a full CIB of the originals DP cost the same as the remakes

@mythicalthings1796

Also. Due to this lack of change, multiple glitches due to the 3D movement added in such as numerous soft locks from ice puzzles and getting stuck where you used to not be able to reach, and because the maps are almost exactly 1-1 this is a super common problem.

@sapphirII

1w↑1

BDSP also removed much of the contests, making it a disgusting rhythm mini-game.

@frosted_glaceon5513

5d↑1

They really disrespected my favorite region. 😭 At least if you have Pokemon Home you can transfer in more Pokemon. It makes it a little better having more options.

@gioanysgonzalez3396

1w↑1

At least they didn’t make Cynthia a easy fight cause my god even experienced players had trouble with her in the Remake. I mean she’s the only champion (minus Kieran) that had a competitive team WITH ITEAMS!!!

@PinnePon

1w↑1

I think remakes should always be completely faithful. Just more playable and pretty. If they want to make new content then they should make a new game

@FrogNatural

1w↑1

Let’s GO was an embarrassment. It makes BDSP look like a masterpiece compared to it.

@ratspew932

1w↑1

At least let's go had tons of new features and content, so it's something. Saying this as someone who doesn't even like Let's Go games.

@brucelee42069

This is unironically one of the best bits of non-fiction broadcasting I've ever seen. I've seen a lot, and I'm very critical. The whole team should be incredibly proud of this achievement, simply wonderful.

@edgytoucan3444

1w↑1

Currently hyperfixating on zinnia and the second I saw her I had a stroke

@CactusMaractus

1w↑1

Bro has beef with pokemon dash

@Schlaym

Having the same eight encounters on every route was really painful.

@HeyhoBrando

2d↑1

I hated it because why Dimoand and Pearl they should’ve just given us platinum for the full story, heck they aren’t even making that one!

Like at least with omega Ruby and sapphire it ADDED more story then thier original, more so then Emblem, this to me was just a last remaster

@ladylunaginaofgames40

This is why you don't comission a company to make your remake but DON'T give them room to improve

@darkgold120

1w↑1

If you think BDSP are bad games then you need to agree that HGSS are just as bad because they have the same problems

@ImFangzBro

I'm starting to think it was like, they ordered it a certain way without realizing the implications of what they ordered. They wanted Sinnoh remakes but failed to specify they wanted Platinum specifically.

@wemelkuan

Pokémon remakes are also known for integrating the features/gimmicks of the current gen and even rewriting the story around them. We would’ve gotten Dynamax/Gigantamax and other connections with the Galar Region.

@regulergamer

1w↑1

Brilliant Diamond was my first mainline pokemon game I played, now I see why I didn't notice too many flaws

@zoruasnivy

It's a fine game, fans mostly have an issue with it because it sticks a bit too close to the original. But if you've never played Pokemon before then it's as great an introduction as the original Diamond more or less.

@regulergamer

@@zoruasnivy nice

@gameboyn64

@@regulergamerbrilliant diamond is essentially a significantly optimized version of pretty flawed game. Its actually quite an improvement to the core gameplay aspects and is a solid experience when it's not bogged down by expectations.

@regulergamer

@@gameboyn64 I learned that when it went from an actually really good game to me to horrible to everyone else's expectations

@spookayghost6804

They absolutely butchered two of my favorite aspects of the games 😢. Contests turned into the dumbest thing, and the secret bases you can only fill with bulky statues is an eyesore. The only good thing in those games is HMs being a part of your pokewatch.

@andrewg.3281

1w↑1

They are most obviously the most dissappointing because of all those reasons,

But being just diamond and pearl to a fault with barely any additions does technically still make them better than diamond and pearl.

(Still leagues worse than platinum tho)

@Itsjustyourimagination

1w↑2

All in all is that it improves so little while butchering so much like i can barely think of improvements bdsp made (that platinum didn't do/did better) while theres a laundry list of things that are worse.

@Itsjustyourimagination

1w↑1

@SinisterPixel

@idontdiscriminateihateever6017

My biggest issue with this game (other than it just being a remake of diamond/pearl ofc) was that it made the time in-between encounters and battles soooo long. Like the camera panning to you, to you throwing your ball, to looking at your pokemon. Like it just took soooo long. Made me want to cry everytime there was a trainer I couldn't walk around lol

@Rasheerful

The placeholder music was patched out right after release and they expanded the amount of available fire types to 4, not 3 (you overlooked Magby). You conveniently left out the fact that limiting the availability of this type in the first place was a stylistic choice, which actually meshed very well with the layout of Sinnoh, a region rich in water.

And you thought the story was "incredibly barebones"!? The plot involves legendary Pokemon that can literally manipulate time and space...

@darkfent

6d↑1

Even funnier, they released PLA, which is even better than swsh

@No-Art-

1w↑1

Bro i bought dash thinking "oh cool, a niche pokemon game! I'm sure this will be unique and fun!" Yeah, no. There's a reason it's niche.

@shawngonzalez507

Pokemon dash was heat, especially because you could use your main game team as special tracks through the gba port. It's my favorite spin off after conquest

@djferon3395

1w↑1

Worst? No, no where close. Even within the main series it isn't nearly as bad as OG gens 1 or 2, and it's essentially a direct upgrade to Diamond and Pearl. Most disappointing? Yes, very much. There's a certain level of quality we expect of remakes, so when they gave us just a touched up version of the worst part of that generation (because platinum content isn't included in the slightest) it goes against the quality we held TPC and GF to.

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