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DarkSektori

3y↑4

This theory of Eternal Oblivion is purely 100% in assumptions. 1st law of Thermodynamics states Energy can never be created or destroyed. Also the brain being the sole cause of Conciousness, it is a physical process to an extent but its also because its caused by the large amount of organized energy within the brain. If Energy and Conciousness are linked together and if Energy cannot be Created or destroyed, then its completely possible, that there's more to Conciousness then we realize, this correlates with the assumption that this highly complex, organized and ever expanding universe just "Big Banged" itself into existence from absolute Nothingness. The whole notion is illogical and nonsenical.
Why Does Oblivion Exist?
Why does Oblivion occur?
Why is Oblivion true?
This is based off the philosophical ideology of "Sufficient explanation" and it should apply to everything in the universe. If these questions can't be answered it can't be proven either.
If anything this theory is as unproven as believing in an afterlife.
Also such a fate essentially adds a degree of pointlessness to reality. So the term "all for nothing" literally applies to everything within the Universe. Also at least the afterlife gives people incentive to live a good life. Oblivion basically gives people a sense of hopelessness knowing that no matter what they do it won't ever matter, yeah sure your friends and family will carry memories of you with them, thats really not going to do you any good will it? At least the afterlife has potential because while we have no definitve proof of it, there's always a possibility and that we just don't have the technological means to prove it yet. Oblivion on the other hand will never be proven by any means including science because the only way to prove it would be to experience it yourself but if you loose all awareness then how could it ever be verified?
Also can someone explain how is it saying everything came from nothing (with no evidence to support this claim) be any less ludicrous or far fetched then saying a God or a creator made everything? Perhaps Conciousness in the brain might cease to exist but there's no scientific evidence to suggest Conciousness itself ceases to exist. Some things are just beyond our current understanding and while Oblivion obviously appeals to alot of people, its your belief and yours alone, personally I don't fear Oblivion because it doesn't exist. Its weird enough for people to think our universe was created by a giant "hadouken".

The only "Oblivion" that exists came out in 2006 for the PS3, Xbox 360 and PC

Atheists also talk of this Oblivion as if they've already been there themselves, which is puzzling. For people who claim to be "rational thinkers" this ideology seems rather un-rational. Because the difference between Oblivion and an afterlife is simple the Afterlife is at least a testable theory and I believe eventually our technology will become advanced enough to prove that its real. The Oblivion theory is not testable by any means scientific or otherwise. We have a better chance of proving Alchemy is real before this can be proven.
Its like trying to solve a difficult math problem, and rather than try finding the answer, you just write down zero because its the first thing that came to your mind. This is a similar analogy to how this theory was likely conjured up.
Atheists don't know everything and neither does science, hell even the "simulation" or "Multiverse" theories have more sustenance then this.
Also bear in mind that Athiesm depends entirely on Science, Science dosen't depend on Athiesm at all. Science has its limits and i can appreciate the "Occums razor" ideology about the simplest explanation tends to be the right one, however when explaining creation, the universe or even an afterlife the answers are anything but simple. The brain might be the physical tool used to create Conciousness but how functional would the brain be without energy? The answer is simple it wouldn't be able to function at all.

DarkSektori

3y↑1

@Chinnu Atluri This my definition of
Oblivion = the pointlessness meaningless of everything.
And I thought I had depression issues.
Atheists require something thats 100% provable to accept it as fact. Oblivion isn't 1% provable and never will be, it seems to be uncharacteristic of people who consider themselves "rational thinkers"
The theory of Santa Claus is more believable. Seriously saying Oblivion is real is like saying "Oz" is real. Its almost as ridiculous as believing in the Big Flying Spaghetti Monster, because you like Italian food.
How can you prove that non-existence exists? Seriously am I the only one who sees the glaring contradictions here?

Or like when Christians say God created light on the 1st day (Genesis 1:2-5) but didn't create the sun and moon till the 4th day (Genesis 1:14-19) 🤦‍♂️
So after all of the time we humans have existed, we believe that either everything came from nothing become something and go back to nothing, or that some invisible God, who in the old Testament behaved like someone on a strong Amphetamine drip, created the universe, in the New Testament became this all loving, forgiving God. So either God dosen't exist or suffers from a cosmic Bipolar disorder.

Romerosays

5y↑3

"For the living know that they shall die, but the DEAD KNOW NOT ANYTHING etc. Eccl 9:5

"For the grave CANNOT praise thee, death CANNOT celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit CANNOT hope for thy truth. The living, THE LIVING, he shall praise thee, as I do this day; Isa 38:18,19.

"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for THERE IS NO work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, IN THE GRAVE, whither thou goest" Eccl 9:10.

The Bible settles it against all philosophical speculation, it teaches that death is a total eclipse of being!

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輝く闇

5y↑20

Good video and point of view. I thought i was the only to think this way... If there is an infinity after you're dead, so there are infinite possibilities inside of this time lapse, which means that someday and somehow, you will wake up once again, just like you did after an infinity before you were born. We can call it a part of the singularity itself and remember Lavoisier's words.
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F A

3y↑4

Unfortunately entropy could prevent that. One of the most accepted theories of how the universe will end is the heat death. This means that eventually, all energy will dissipate into a non-useful stable form (the sun will burn out, all carbon will decay etc). If this is true, after an unimaginable but finite amount of time we will reach the heat death. This means any hope of an after life would not be possible.

Robert R. Hinkle

3y↑17

I am afraid of death. I am afraid of losing my memories-good and bad. I, too, believe that afterlife is like before life. There is some comfort to that but also some sadness, as we can experience that emotion now, as we exist.

misty lover

@Daily Insight you even religious even? What would cause da 💥💣 and what cause that cause to cause 💥💣? And eternal everlasting 🔄 of causes of a impossible cause that's eternal to keep starting endlessly for eternity permanently?

Autisticus Spasticus

2y↑2

@Daily Insight I think that your first proposed solution, the finite universe, is the most likely to be true.

Daily Insight

2y↑4

If what you believe is true, then there is no need for fear/sadness, because fear/sadness will be of no concern.

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Laura Buhuș

2y↑7

God. I have been ruminating this idea for so long and could never put it into words. You described exactly what I believe. Great video, I already subscribed to you.

RapiDEraZeR

2y↑25

I honestly think that the only reason we're not experiencing the eternal oblivion (mentally) yet, has to be, because the current state of formation of atoms we are in right now (neurologically, etc, which makes it possible for us to even be alive and think), has not yet ceased to exist in this exact composition. Therefore, for the time being, while in this exact livable state of ours, we are in fact able to experience existence and time. When our body ceases to exist and decomposes into seperate molecules again, we do not experience existence in the body that was given to us. The electric signals in our body stop interacting, our brain becomes an inactive lump of matter, the plug is simply pulled as with an electrical device that needs power to work. The 1's and 0's don't flow anymore. From this standpoint, we should simply stop existing altogether.
This is the point one could speculate whether or not the mind is able to somehow escape these physicalities and might escape into another (or simply its next) existence. We could go on forever.

For me honestly, the thing that hurts most is not death, or the possible infinity which might come after. But the loss of all connections we have towards whom we love and want to stay with forever. Losing my mother, losing my girlfriend, losing everyone who's important to me, the bond, the emotions we have towards others, and them losing the same, is what brings up an instant and great sadness inside of me. It's like letting go of one's hand but knowing that we will never be able to hold their hand again. It's pure, brutal human emotion.
I've gone through several stages of depression in the last couple years and no matter where in time I've asked myself whether I'm still human or not, this great sadness that comes up, reminds that in fact I am still here. I am still here and I am still able to be touched. The fire is still burning. It's only the cold around me that keeps the flame small.

durgur gurdur

@dynamics so what is all this around us?

dynamics

@Daily Insight ull b shocked

Rajveer kanojiya

@Daily Insight you can't really experience it

RapiDEraZeR

2y↑1

@Alex The wombat I understand what you mean. It's not a weird thought to imagine we'll just change our physical bodies and the mind continues to live on, until it finds another shell to be in. It depends on how realistically you want to look at it. Of course we have to keep in mind, that what we perceive as realism is only based on what we as humans have gathered as information over time. Things might be explainable logically and scientifically, but we're just a spec of dust in the universe. Who knows what reality really is. Maybe other life forms out there have better knowledge of all this.

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Alexander Guzman

3y↑7

Sir,
You are clever. I have suspected a similar hypothesis. Here are some points to supplement the idea. Our brains and bodies are established upon traits in our codes which were directly inherited from the past. If we sprung up by the progression of this code, then even our processing of ideas are built upon the code which designed our brains, and given that we are awake right now, it tells us that although we cannot see the eternity beforehand we are directly proof of its continuation

Chinnu Atluri

3y↑2

This is a fact.

songforguy1

5y↑14

You may find Dolores Canon's work interesting on past life regressions. Her 40+ years of research through hypnosis is fascinating.

Classy rassy

3y↑6

@William Garcia Sorry but that's a cop out. If you can accept the idea that anything you disagree with is just "made up by the brain" well then how can you trust your own perception of reality? At that point how do you even know if your not the only being in existence and your just hallucinating everything?
You shouldn't just believe it all outright but it is absolutely worth being open to IF the evidence is good and unless there is an actual reason to disregard the evidence you shouldn't just automatically discard it.

William Garcia

The human mind can make up any sort of bullshit, like past lives.

songforguy1

@MrKillswitch88 Jesus and the Essenes is a good vid for the bible enthusiasts.

homebrandrules

MrKillswitch88
roger that digger

MrKillswitch88

5y↑3

@homebrandrules There are loads of videos on youtube of her work so give it a look.

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Devin

3y↑4

Great video btw. This is exactly the state of mental evolution im in

JayWilson

5y↑3

Your videos are excellent mate. All of them. please keep them coming. Good work!

Nenad Pantic

3y↑12

If we look at this from the point of reductionism / official materialism, that the brain generates conscious experience, or that the brain is a machine, a clever loop that produces and consumes conscious experience, one could argue that the origin of "I" is based on unique blueprint (genetic, or otherwise).

In this model, there is nothing after organism cease to exists. But, if we assume time is infinite, then surely after endless eons and potentially endless iterations, there will be a moment where same organism will be re-assembled, if by nothing then by pure chance, to experience unique "I" again. In this model, it will be a blink of an eye, as there was no mind in meantime to think of itself.

That is to say, there is no death, as death cannot be perceived and infinity will always provide another opportunity.

I am not a strong advocate of this idea, but it is a good fallback mental construct for me :)

Jason /

I believe this you come back as yourself and can experience different outcomes of your life. You are born as yourself and relieve your same life with endless possibilities. If it can happen it will happen

Chinnu Atluri

3y↑3

This is exactly what I'm believing for years.

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Tia Marie

2y↑7

I mean if zero equals everything and nothing, I think the first equation is correct. Plus I think the life model could be adjusted to what we REMEMBER. We could very well be infinite as energy, but our states and memories of those states are finite.

Oh and when it comes to the big bang theory, no one is saying that it came from nothing. Have you ever seen the death of a star? It explodes in a burst of energy, and that energy goes out into the universe to create more things. The same thing could be said for the universe. The end of one universe gave birth to another.

Martin

Seeing the theory with the Big Bang and the Big Crunch visualized, I immediately thought of a loop where one event causes the other. The question one could ask is what caused the Big Bang and what comes after the Big Crunch. It seems fairly logical to look at this problem as an infinite circle. This would mean there was never a start and there won’t ever be an end. Reality simply exists going through cycles over and over again without ever asking itself what comes after or what came before. Because such a question would have no meaning.

The answer to what came before is the same as to what comes after. Self repeating Eternity.

SomePolishDude

4y↑2

If reincarnation is real, another question can be raised. What is my TOTAL age when adding all previous lives? And does that mean I have witnessed human evolution?

James Taylor

just discovered your channel. loving your vids.

Before Midnight

2y↑3

I wish the situations and circumstances kept me in the state before my parents met...there was way too many before I was here...I wish All these folks who love this place so much could have just been here

Rajveer kanojiya

@Daily Insight maybe no

Daily Insight

Perhaps if it wasn't your parents, it would have been somebody else. Perhaps your existence/life is destiny?

JT

4y↑36

my biggest fear is that when we die, it is similar to before birth and we become non existant, no thoughts, no emotion, not even black, I fear I will not exists even within my own mind and I will lose my thoughts of my loved ones and all my dreams I hope there is something on the other side this has troubled me for years. Have a great day everyone

komahina canon

2y↑1

@Joseph Finch That's why it's scary i've been literally shaking all day everyday for about a month thinking about this...it's so scary and it keeps me up at night

Rajveer kanojiya

@Joseph Finch Yes the best example is sleeping without dreams you doesn't say anything in sleep unless it's dream if you said it becomes dream if you didn't u don't exist atleast

Alex The wombat

2y↑2

I’m not afraid of nothingness, rather I’m afraid of the ceasing of existence, if that makes sense. Obviously it won’t matter, I won’t exist, my favorite food, movie, gf, won’t matter cause I won’t exist, but as long as I do exist, I want to hold onto those things. Best way I can describe being afraid of dying ig

Robert R. Hinkle

3y↑2

If we are all honest with ourselves, then we all share this fear.

Dziwak Marchew

3y↑5

@Maulan Wong Yes! Because what it the point of living, loving etc if it’ll all turn into nothingness one day for all of us and the worst thing is that we are all so powerless, we basically can’t do anything about that, we have no other choice than just die one day:(

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cherrydoctorpepper7

Great video. You cannot experience eternal oblivion from your own perspective. You cannot be reincarnated from your own perspective. Both of those things are paradoxes from the observer's perspective. Quantum Immortality theory says that everybody lives forever from their own perspective, so that is a possible solution

Eric Graham

3y↑10

Glad someone else realizes this. There is another option Neizche's eternal recurrence. The universe dies after you die and it starts over and your life starts over. I hope to God it's not true. Lol I've had a terrible life. Another thing about eternal oblivion is this: ok you become nonexistent so what? Something new is born after you die. So there isn't anything to separate you from whatever comes into being after you. Also have you noticed there's billions of us? We're like a huge hive mind that keeps making copies of itself. None of us are actually some special thing that only happens once. Everyone is a copy of a copy.

Imelda

3y↑14

Before birth was temporary after death is permanent

JourneytoTruth

For “this” body and brain however there are infinite solar systems

Vignesh V

that's why the minus sign exists

Rajveer kanojiya

3y↑2

The greatest comment of all time

Likely Lad

2y↑5

omg - i literally thought of your model too! ( not the math tho) . nothingness literally is the most unrealistic scenario ever.

Tom Abraham

5y↑3

What if we are effectively in a simulation where we get to experience life via 5 senses in 3 dimensions with time acting like a one way conveyor marking a beginning and end of the “game”. All of which is just a construct, even time. What if we come to this place with amnesia in order to have the opportunity to learn and grow. That is, to exercise free will, to make the choice as to whether to pursue good or bad. Without amnesia we would have perfect knowledge of our creator and true love which wouldn’t give us the opportunity to test ourselves and grow. Perhaps our “souls” provide us with just a hint of what we need to need to know to determine right from wrong. It is likely there is no beginning and end as we know it and that when we “die” we just return to the presence of and to be one with our creator. Anyway, thanks for the video and for outlining your thoughts on the eternal question; “Why am I here?”

Alex The wombat

So like if we were in on it, we’d grow bored of life almost and it would be similar to a hell or purgatory, but since we do “forget” it makes our lives special and have meaning while it lasts. Maybe we don’t really want to have an answer to what happens before and after life, because either it’s nothing, which is kinda disappointing, or it’s eternal, which is exhausting and mentally overwhelming 😂

Happy moments

4y↑2

Two weeks ago, I actually dreamt (dream 1) about how the universe began (wicked dream). And in this dream, I asked some people, "How did temperature begin?" I still don't know the answer. Two days later, I dreamt (dream 2) about a vacuum cleaner, since I need one to vacuum compress my mattress, as I will send it from DE to OZ in two months and I need to reduce the size of the shipment. Anyway, the following night, I dreamt (dream 3) that I told these two stories to other people. So, please explain if/ how/ why this fits into your hypothesis?

BTW, thank you for your the wonderful discussion points (:-)-}-<

Der Eidgenosse

the answer is your brain

Adam Townsend

1y↑1

I think it’s crazy that we are in this place and have absolutely no idea how or why we are here..that’s crazy in itself.

Adam Townsend

@Daily Insight but how did WE ever become anything? Out of thin air? I’m with you though how do we even know the “humans” we are surrounded by aren’t actors or AI? Btw your tiny blip in the middle of oblivion is something I’ve always thought about. My thoughts have always been what are the odds we just happen to be alive in this current day and time..always seemed to coincidental.

Daily Insight

With the raise of AI, perhaps we are just in a super-realistic simulation? Maybe we chose to be part of this "life" of ours... I honestly just don't know.

Devin

3y↑1

I get laughed at when I say that objective reality cannot be accessed by humans. (Solipsism is a theory based from that) also the fact that if matter/material information cannot be destroyed. That must go to show that my essence from my conciousness is immortal.

Štěpán Pytlík

@F A Maybe. But there are possibly other universes.

F A

3y↑2

Also its not so much that matter is destroyed, its more that its converted to a different form. You will never be destroyed actually, you will instead decay.

F A

3y↑1

Unfortunetly, entropy could prevent that. The key reason life exists is because of external energy sources ( All the chemistry going on inside you requires energy from food sources, and these food sources need the energy from sun). But all suns will burn out eventually. Actually all forms of energy will fall into a stable state based on the second law of thermodymamics. The most accepted theory on how the universe will end is the heat death. After the heat death of the universe, nothing will happen and nothing will continue to happen forever.

fitz20g

2y↑2

I just hope living is a one time thing

ANA Smith

4y↑2

I don't remember where I was before coming to this earth. That's the only thing I dont agree with the reincarnation part. What if we were spiritual beings before but we didn't have an ego? What if this just one part of the whole dimensional realities that are out there? Yeah and after death we move on into other realities. This game is so huge.

Kerri

When a person dies, they become infinite. They are omnipresent.

True masculinity

2y↑4

Well, when I die in 70 years, I won’t have to wait for the elder scrolls 6 anymore

Suryanshu Kumbham

3y↑7

My theory is that your consciousness lasts FOREVER, but your consciousness wont have a brain or anything like that which human body possesses to think about the surroundings, so there is your soul somewhere after your death but it cant feel anything. that is my version of eternal oblivion.

Rajveer kanojiya

2y↑1

eternal oblivion doesn't mean that it means literally nothing not even consuciness

CBTcounsellor

2y↑1

then why you don't u remember anything?
for one moment I agree with this hinduistic theory, ..
what's the use?
suppose you were president of Canada in your purva janam then whats the use? you have forgotten it...

before birth you unexisted for infinte years. same happens after death.

Aycakes

3y↑1

I honestly was thinking this a few times as well.

Classy rassy

3y↑4

I believe in reincarnation but I disagree on the assumption we only can ever experience being alive. As far as I have been informed the most likely explanation is we are temporary visitors here to the physical realm here to learn and grow. When we die we return to the non-physical realms and carry on as entities there until or unless we decide to come back.

Vasco Santos

@Atheism is right forever At least you are expanding your perspective now and offering some sort of insight.

Atheism is right forever

3y↑2

@Vasco Santos it’s pretty obvious that without a brain nothing happens after death no consciousness you just lose everything forget everything and no longer exist anymore except forum the hearts of those you have affected consciousness is created by a synthesis of neural tissues and after you are brain dead you lose consciousness

Atheism is right forever

3y↑1

@Vasco Santos Senile dementia provide is excellent evidence that your Consciousness and other mental functions are no more then functions of the brain injuries to various parts of the brain erase various parts of your personality. In Alzheimer’s disease one’s personality slowly disappears as the brain disintegrates until you are no longer in there therefore when your brain ceases to function at death there is no reason to believe that any form of consciousness survives.

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Moira Shears

3y↑7

To be honest, I think that if reincarnation did exist, all you would retain would be your personality.

Bryana Leigh

It would be awesome to me if our first person spectator selves were each unique quantum “whatevers,” that can only exist in one localization at a time, that also contain core personality traits, and that reincarnate with other quantum “whatevers” they are bonded to, for infinity. No memories needed, because we continue to experience the present with the same observers, just with different relationships to them as people. Closest thing to a “soul” that would make sense to me. Not saying any of this is true or that I believe it, just that I’d be cool with it if it were the case. May turn it into a science fiction novel later. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Khalid

3y↑34

what if you existed before but don't remember?

misty lover

@olive ✅️and❌️

olive

but if u don’t remember then did u even exist?

Kryptiq Soul

So what? You can be living the same life over and over again but if you never are able to recall that you have lived this life, then everything feels new still. It’s scary that if someone told you with undeniable proof you are living the same life, as soon as that life repeats, into that same moment you live the rest if your life with fear. Which is why you should not fear living different or the same life, because it would waste the potential.

Rob

Uhh you alright up there? Not how it works.

Big talks

1y↑1

I swear I think this is how it goes we die into nothingness and reborn new memories and everything

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Great Holocopy

2y↑2

For many it's not about death. It's about "would i experience "being alive" some time again. This is really unsolvable matter. Imagine this. You are dead, your brain shut down, you don't experience nothing at all anymore (because there's no brain to have so called experience obviously). I highly doubt that we will ever experience being alive again. I mean YOUR consciousness that died will NEVER see the life again (in my theory). And death is not "nothingness, dark abyss and stuff", it's just absence of you. There is no more concept of "you" in this world.

Reincarnation I believe is possible. But not how most of us would like to see it, like your name is Mark, you are dying, there is a tunnel with a light, someone's voice telling you "i'll erase your memories and you will be reincarnated" no, none of this. Someone's baby brain will start having counsciousness and you will understand that "my name is Rosa i'm 3 years old".
No memories of being Mark. Because Mark is dead and his consciousness is dead too. It's not "load saved game" or "start new game+", it's all about "start a new game" if that makes sense.

Big talks

Yeah I think this is right variety is the alive of life you should not know about the past life

Great Holocopy

2y↑1

@Daily Insight atoms yes but it's not "us" in the way we usually think of it.

I mean whole meaning of consciousness is just made-up human thing. We just can't imagine "not existing" or "not being alive again some time after death". We are too attached to our bodies and minds. To the point where some want to go to heaven and live there I assume. And live there not as "some mindless spirit" but as a full-on thinking body like we are now.

And so
Real answers are unreachable. Death is just a concept. It's scary because of the unknown, nothing more really.

Daily Insight

2y↑2

Yeah, it's hard to know and probably unprovable. But certainly we could say that our atoms continue to exist? Or is that still just an assumption (and might only be something in my head -- e.g. solipsism).

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AyeDeeBee no

2y↑6

well if death is nothing then im fine with that cause the last time there was a bunch of nothing the big bang happend and boom life so ill be alright

TheAshenOne

🤣 legend

I am THAT

2y↑2

I can conclude therefore that I am a temporary database carrier on memories and emotions during my lifetime. It gets disintegrated upon my expiry. Trying to xerox or replicate a copy of my temporary personality into next external life is basically a notion of emotional fear of not wanting to lose it for good

Dear Universe, TQ for my tiny spark of existence. It's a relieve to note from infinite space I don't really exist

I am THAT

Ooops Admin 🙏🏼 I mean I had no consciousness before my birth. When I inspect my current personality it's produced by this 3 dimensional plane which comes from the surrounding environment and social conditioning

Simulation is possible since we are from the very source itself but still at the end it's still all play of illusions that we eventually want to let it go

Daily Insight

But it's still only theoretical, isn't it, that we are temporary? We base it off our observations of others. Could it not be simulated?

darkmatter100

2y↑2

You can't experience what you cannot experience, therefore you can only experience what you can experience. That means you can only perceive what does exist, which means this existence would be all there is, and you would never know what isn't. So yes, you currently may exist, and because time does not exist if you are not there to perceive it, you will never know if you do not exist. Take solace or fear in that knowledge.

Rajveer kanojiya

@Daily Insight I can guarantee you that I do exist like you
and you exist like me that means it's just all brain games

Chinnu Atluri

@Daily Insight I know that "I" and everyone and everything in the universe exists along with me. I agree that the universe existed before I was born. Because this timeline manifested a evidence of it's past with my current existence. But I can never be sure or never believe that the universe continues to exist my death/non-existence.

darkmatter100

2y↑1

@Daily Insight At that point you would be doubting your own perception, and if that's true, then nothing has meaning, if everything can be perceived as fake or generated by yourself or another entity you accept that you do not matter. That is a dangerous line of thinking sir.

Daily Insight

I still have my doubts. I still don't even know if others exist (despite all the evidence).

Suzane O Riordan

2y↑1

I think like that too lol, thats one reason I abandoned the eternal oblivion philosophy

ujtab

Assuming your probability argument is correct, the timeline can also be a loop to make a non-zero probability of being existed.

JynxedKoma

3y↑8

If the death of our universe continues or creates an infinite cycle of big bangs, then it is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for us not to be born again. Whether as Humans or something else entirely. How can I say this you might ask? Well, by the simple fact you see this comment and thus, exist right now as a conscious entity.

DarkSektori

3y↑1

Intesting statement considering that Mathematics was something we made up. However I remember a quote from Galileo himself that was quite interesting.
"Mathematics is the language in which God wrote the universe"
pretty fascinating how something we just made up has been so useful in understanding the universe. Makes you wonder dosen't it?

Wing Kee Chan

5y↑1

Our existence is but a subset of reality, and we cannot try to extend our understanding on Reality based on your experience in this existence. Even our concept of Time and Entropy might not be applicable in Reality.

NaturalisTed

This is because there is and will only ever be "Now"; The current. And so, before your birth, at that time there was what did exist at that point in time, and a hundred years after you die there will be what does exist at that point in time. We are right now. So, after you cease to be a part of "Now" there will still be the current time (at that point in time), and so The experience of whatever organism happens to be born after you end will be the experience that comes after yours. That new organism will have no prior memories because it is a new organism, just like you were new and didn't have any memories of the billions of lives that came before yours. As long as there are organisms born there will be a continuation of experience via those organisms born after the previous one.

SpaceNugget

3y↑1

If time is infinite and there is a chance to live again it will happen again

Catholic-Ronin

2y↑1

@Daily Insight what about The Afterafterlife

Daily Insight

2y↑1

So we'll just keep having life after life after life. Afterlife?

Samuel Romero #1 Fan Page

3y↑10

2:36 I can finally sleep peacefully now. 🥺❤️

ѕнυνα

3y↑3

@bigbobabc123the universe runs on mathematics. Believe it or not is up to you.

bigbobabc123

This is stupid logic. It’s using mathematical tricks when using infinity to try and prove that you won’t die.

Adrian Enterprise

Same 😂

Devin

3y↑14

And the fact that reality is infinite cause and effect. My theory is a "God" entity started it. Doesn't mean its a Christian God or Muslim God. But thats the best word I can think of.

Martin

@WGS well then I’d be fucked with all the shit I’ve done

WGS

@Martin I like to think that if something really created the universe. It could have had the power to conjure itself into said universe as well. Which reminds me of what people sometimes say, «the brain named itself».

Martin

2y↑2

Then you could ask the same thing about the life of that “god” and the whole damn uncertainty would start over

juwita hasin

Maybe Spinoza God?

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Fraser_Mr

1y↑1

Time doesn't stretch back to infinity.

Jordan Z

You believe the universe is finite where it has a beginning, an end, comes from oblivion and returns back for eternity?

fitz20g

I have a problem with being born again after you die because aren't you still you after you die. So how can you be someone else. I use to think that you have to be re born after you die but that changed when I thought about what makes me me and how even though I am unconscious and cease to be alive I am still me. So I don't believe in past lives I believe when you are born it is the first time living. And after you die it is your last time living no matter how much time passes by because you are you and will be you even after you die. If you was going to be something else in the future you wouldn't be you right now.

Jason /

I believe when you die you forget and come back as yourself and relieve your same life. If it can happen it will happen. Your born again but as yourself so Dejavu could be something from the past. You can change it marry different people ect...? 🤔

Maximiliano Vella

Can nature repair something that she herself created and she herself broke?

Lawrence Wallace - guitarist

1y↑1

What’s wrong with the universe beginning at the Big Bang and ending the way a lot of cosmologists think that it will (a cold dark empty void)? Infinity in the past might be problematic for us to exist now but I think u can go into the future as long as u want with no consequence. If that is true then there is nothing at all wrong with the idea of eternal oblivion.

Will123 Brawl stars

4y↑3

One flaw, time started at the big bang so not infinity years ago

BJJ BUSTER

Things can only "start" within time. That's the problem.

Blizzforte

2y↑1

If there was no time before the big bang then how did the big bang happen?

Noobmaster69

imrankhan [x] yeah the big bang somehow nothing became something yeah theres something that did it

Štěpán Pytlík

Big Bang is just a theory. It's not 100% proven.

Alberto

1y↑1

Probability 0 doesn't mean impossible, just like choosing a rational number from (0,1)
And probabilities don't even make sense in infinite intervals.
Also consider anthropic principle to explain why we're alive.
The gaps would be indeed felt like 0 time, and what's more, even infinite amount of time may be felt as 0 because improper integral of the function 0 is still 0. If that makes sense at all.

Arcane

I've been having the same ideas for quite a while now, how come something comes from nothing and goes back to nothing? Eternal nothingness after death just doesn't make logical sense to me at all as for someone to perceive a eternal void forever would require consciousness. Now if we go back to consciousness and neuroscience we'll find out there are studies suggesting that consciousness is not a product of a physical brain but instead the brain seems to be a receiver of consciousness like a radio that tunes to a certain frequency.

Then there are also the eletrical impulses that go through our neurons, if the First Law of Thermodynamics says that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only altered in form, so where would the energy that flows through us come from and where does it go back to, or even, it could even transform into a lower or higher dimension, another philosophical question is about us being the actual energy by itself, our essence, our soul, the one thing that animates our physical bodies, and once the body can no longer sustain life that soul either moves on to a spiritual realm or it reincarnates into another body, or maybe both, it could be a process of constant migration between two planes, maybe we could even reincarnate in another planets, another galaxies or even in another universes.

Gwynedd

What are these studies you mentioned?

Liangelo Testicle

3y↑6

I believe there was a Big Bang, then at some point we were born, then die, then all the black holes in our universe suck everything up and collapse on themselves then another Big Bang happens, and you may be reborn in this universe or the next one or one 100 universes from now, but you don’t experience that gap in time because you do not exist. Until eventually you are conceived again. And there may be an infinite amount of universes all going on at the same time like right now as I type this, who knows I just hope I don’t live once and that’s it. Eternal nothingness scares the shit outta me.

Rajveer kanojiya

@Liangelo Testicle you got off of topic

Rajveer kanojiya

@Daily Insight no chance cause if I exist because of this particular brain then I will not exist at all after death for infinity

Daily Insight

The fact that you were born means that surely there's another chance that you will be born at some point in the future?

Liangelo Testicle

3y↑1

@Rajveer kanojiya not necessarily, look up emergence theory, and the God Particle, there is still a level of structure to our entire universe, and basic laws that formulate everything we perceive. We and everything inside our massive universe may just be a product of the 8 dimensional God particles insane complexity yet also structure. If there wasn’t any structure at the fundamental fabric of everything then if matter came into existence it would just be nebula clouds dissipating into the void of empty space. You have to question from Square 0 not even 1, “Why does anything exist at all?!” And then understand that you, even in your imperfection, and limitation/mortality do exist and are conscious and can perceive and conceptualize all of this realize that you may simply be a part of the infinite code of everything. And thus exist infinitely 🤷‍♂️. Now death may just be the merely the point at which we are merely conceived I’m back into existence again, in that it’s the longest gap of nothing we are not present for, but since we don’t experience nothing, it just lapses and then we are reconceived and live “for the first time” again, infinitely”.

Rajveer kanojiya

3y↑1

Well after watching this video I am more scared because if there is only 1 life then that is it I am living in it the scary fact is this:- that before birth there was a chance of me borning even 1 in full infinity and here I am but after death there is no chance at all not even 1 in full infinity chance of me borning again that means there is only 1 life.
Oh my 😱 😳
I hope you understand

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Randy Diluzio

Very interest video, you use very simple logic to map out a very complex problem. I believe the God Concept comes the closest to solving the problem of existence. But, I believe the big mistake we make with God is that we assume that God exist apart from us. It seems to me, God is a collective consciousness that we all form and we can ponder God and experience consciousness, because we are part of God and God is part of us.

BAMBOOZLED!

3y↑11

I honestly don’t see why people would just want to cease to exist. Yeah, sure people want peace and quiet but if you’re non-existent, you won’t even feel peace and quiet. In fact, there will be no you to experience that peace and quiet. And to think that might go on FOREVER? Yeah, I don’t want to sound mean or anything, but I don’t see any reason why ceasing to exist would be a good thing. I prefer living and existing instead of literally being nothing. No thank you.

Cyber runner

3y↑9

@Jester I would take reincarnation any day suffering comes with goodness too they are sides of the same coin

Jester

3y↑8

ceasing to exist is better than reborn and suffer

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66 7

Meh, once the brain rotes away consciousness is impossible. Anyway, death is basically like the stage of sleep after drifting off but before our dreams kick in.

Oz Wannabe

4y↑1

There's a flaw in your model. Before you were born is definitely not infinite. Age of the Universe is some 14 billion years according to Planck. I would argue that the time after you die would be also finite should the Universe die in one way or the other. Obviously I have no proof for the later.

homebrandrules

what about black swan events?

MC Baby Wipes

4y↑2

I believe that evolution and our future is inevitable, i think that we will no doubt one day have full control over the universe, and eventually any life lived will become too boring because there are no suprises, so humans will eventually restart the universe to continue the experiential nature of reality... there is only 1 reality but infinite universes, one at a time in a singularity.

Man i love LSD

Innerstar🌟

5y↑1

It all depends on what nothingness you are talking about.

Autisticus Spasticus

3y↑6

Once you realise that the finality of death does indeed nullify life, which is really the endgame of all knowledge, I think it can only lead to the conclusion that Professor David Benatar has come to in his books, that it is a moral imperative to not create more human beings to suffer the pain and existential angst of consciousness. Once you realise that this whole thing is ultimately pointless, I think the sensible decision is not to continue this ridiculous Sisyphean nightmare and to phase out humanity. Live your life as best you can under these awful circumstances, as long as this doesn't entail creating any new lives. Since we inevitably spend our entire existence living in fear of returning to the void, it is better to not be woken from that nothingness in the first place. Do not disturb the unborn from their eternal sleep in the blessed calm of non-existence.

Chinnu Atluri

3y↑3

I've always had very mixed opinions on this idea.

MeritonD

this video is saying there might be no void at all though

DarkSektori

3y↑4

Chinnu Atluri

3y↑1

@DarkSektori I don't know about Bible, since I'm a Hindu. As a little kid I belived everything my Grandma and aunts said about Hindu concepts of God, life and death and hindu epics. They used to tell me about these things when I was like 4. I believed everything they told, then at the age of 9, I began to understand they were wrong. The only thing that stands out as logical one is the idea of reincarnation and eternal consciousness. I belive consciousness is the fundamental key to everything, i.e life/universe/reality/existence. Consciousness is something that's nothing and everything at the same time!

DarkSektori

3y↑1

@Chinnu Atluri like I said before for Atheists to require 100% proof and yet believe in something thats unprovable period. It's Hypocrisy by definition.
If Oblivion does exist then so does the possibility of using Parkour to descend Mt Everest while blindfolded.

Chinnu Atluri

3y↑1

@DarkSektori My dad is an atheist. Though he respects others' beliefs, he never believes anything that is not proven/stated by science even if it effectively challenges his prenotion. He believes in eternal oblivion after death and I've always wondered how that's even possible!

DarkSektori

3y↑1

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Ujjwal Omar

4y↑1

Can dead be revived? Let's discuss

Eddy 8y8

3y↑1

If it hasn’t begun to rot or decay, it can be brought back to life. Saving a life is a lot like stopping food from burning: You can salvage it if it’s not too far gone

Ujjwal Omar

4y↑2

@Daily Insight not any dead body but those bodies of people which have been stored in hope that future technology may revive them?

Daily Insight

Dead bodies?

KittenHero !

4y↑1

That's a pretty weak hypothesis, even if you have the infinite reincarnation, then the probability of you being in this particular life is still 0 assuming the infinite timeline, and the real answer is that probability theory doesn't work like that

Jason /

Maybe you come back as yourself and relieve your own life? 🤔

zyxwfish

2y↑1

Have your ever read the book dream state by Jed McKenna?

zyxwfish

@Daily Insight One of the chapters in dream state explains the same thing your saying here but in a different way. That's why I was wondering if you read the book.

Daily Insight

No I haven't, but I'll look into it. For people who want to know the premise: "If life is but a dream, to what do we awake? The central premise of Dreamstate: A Conspiracy Theory, is the admittedly ridiculous but incontrovertibly true assertion that the universe does not exist. This is something you can understand conceptually, like watching a documentary about Antarctica, or experientially, like moving to Antarctica. There’s also a related phenomenon where you fall asleep watching the documentary and wake up in the frozen wasteland. That’s gotta be weird, but the truth is that you’re asleep in a barren wasteland dreaming that you’re not, so that’s where waking up gets you."

dukeoversteer

3y↑3

Model 4 (the correct one) : God exists outside of time and is the causeless cause. You and I were created with a rational soul and material body. When we die our soul will be separated from our body. If we die in God's friendship (sanctifying grace) will will go to heaven, otherwise to hell. Our souls exist for eternity. God sent his Son Jesus Christ, who loves us, to save us.

We were created to know, love and serve God in this life and therefore to be happy with him eternally in the next. I think St Augustine summed it up best: God who created you without you consent, will not save you without your consent. Hope this helps. God bless and keep up the interesting videos (BTW you were spot on about mortgages and debt slavery - check out the teachings on usury).

UAHA Toxicboi

@JynxedKoma who knows? The Tao Te Ching says that if you can describe the Tao, then it is not the eternal Tao. The Tao is unknown.

JynxedKoma

3y↑1

@UAHA Toxicboi There is NO God. Give it up.

UAHA Toxicboi

I’m not trying to impose on your beliefs. This is a real question. Where is the soul located in the body? Also how do you know what god wants?

Sarah Finnigan

Look, I wish there was some other explanation too, but you’re using a whole lot of emotion and ‘I don’t understand it so it must not be’ and calling it logic. We know that time, as a dimension, started at the Big Bang. We pretty much know there will be no crunch, only cooling and spreading. Volume and time are infinite but you occupying some volume and some time as we move through it. That doesn’t mean that volume and time don’t exist. Just because we may speculate about or study multiple dimensions or the nature of the Big Bang, and we may find something at some point, an existence outside of the time and space of our universe does not in any way have to do with you (your cells, consciousness, etc) aside from possibly at the subatomic level. We’re mostly water that comes and goes and we’re a hive mind if single cells that teamed up and we replace those cells all the time. You would have to prove some kind of feature unique to each living thing that is neither energy nor matter that exists outside of our universe, otherwise we exist within it…our system eventually breaking down, our matter repurposed, and anything that could have been called ourself scattered to the wind. And when the universe cools, entropy can no longer exist, and we reach the heat death of the universe…maybe that stops time in the same way the Big Bang started it. But even our matter eventually dies.

Eric Graham

3y↑1

Also would like to point out that nonexistence doesn't exist. Lol It's the most unscientific thing ever!

Reza Lucien

4y↑1

This whole thing is ridiculous. By your reasoning, if time (and that's an IF) is infinite in both directions, then now doesn't exist because we'd have to exist in one of those infinite times. But now clearly exists, or did, and has elapsed from the infinite future to the infinite past. Also, if my life isn't now, where is it? Is it in the future or in the past?

Your life is now. It is the transition from future to past. It will exist in either one, but it will inevitably elapse through the present. This does not support or prove everlasting or after-life.

Spinny

@onedog LMAO

Classy rassy

3y↑4

Well the problem here lies largely in the fact time is a product of the universe, time is a cardinal point much like XY & Z. This is why the argument of "If god created the universe then where did god come from?" doesn't work cause time and thus the concept of things beginning or ending is a product of physical reality.
Many of my friends are astral projectors or take hallucinogenic drugs and the stuff they talk about backs up this concept entirely. "Time" doesn't exist outside the material realm so the very idea of something having a beginning or end doesn't apply to things outside our physical reality. It's fucking weird to wrap your head around this idea but we have to accept the fact time itself is a construct just like the other directions in space.

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homebrandrules

5y↑2

this is mindboggling, I think a forum is called for several of us gather to smoke mary anne, and drink chuhai and discuss fully this and other concepts! ?
oroborus

Itanof

2y↑2

I my mind and from what we can observe in the universe. consciousness is biological and in the brain I.e in the neurons and when all those cells are gone you are dead and gone.

Rajveer kanojiya

@Custom Vegan Diet if you do the whole copy again even doing that chance is 1 in infinite even if you do it I think then it's a possibility that brain creates you again and there's also a possibility even doing this you can't be created cause it needs the exact moment in time too?

Custom Vegan Diet

2y↑2

@Daily Insight Try to ask yourself... If someone made 100% copy of your body, brain and neurons (atom by atom). Would this body be you? It would for sure act like you because of you habbits, but you would only have conciousness in your real body, not in fake one. Thats why I think that we are just conciousnes, not our body. But if there is after life, we couldn't have any memories of our human excistance or of our family, because this memories were lost with our brain.

Daily Insight

"consciousness is biological and in the brain". Perhaps, but I can't prove that to be true. Just as I can't prove that you are even real! (i.e. solipsism).

Itanof

Maybe as a society, we will be able to translate what all neurons in the brain are doing into a computer to save thoughts and thought processes to have prolonged copies of human minds.

xox3769v

similar thoughts I've haf

Crobat Gaming

interesting

MarcoA

The stark reality is that we are just dull, limited monkeys, we can never fully understand the workings of this universe. It is like a flea trying to completely understand the workings of a cat's body...it simply cannot. I consider eternal nothingness to be the most concrete hypothesis, yet even I am not completely convinced. We are born from nothing, we live and then return to nothing, does that mean that from this nothingness we can be reborn again? The word nothingness presupposes the existence of something and the word existence also presupposes the absence of something. It is a paradox from which one cannot escape. The very fact that we exist is proof that eternal nothingness, in fact, does not exist. It is like drawing a circle without closing it, it makes no sense. My alternative hypothesis is a variant of Nietzsche's eternal return, i.e. a big bang followed by a big crunch from which a universe mirroring ours would be reborn deterministically. A sort of infinite loop similar to that of the rotation of the seasons, the earth around the sun, etc... However, it is only a hypothesis, which has little basis right now. Beware though, until many years ago, humans thought that the sun revolved around the earth and that the earth was flat... that is why I say that human beings will never fully understand this reality.

Rafael Alejandro

3y↑2

I existed.

Fraser_Mr

2y↑3

The past is not eternal the past is 13.7 billion years old.

Past, present and future. Heat death is the future. We will be gone forever.

For us to comeback nature would have to find a way to rewind time.

Jason /

Everything that can happen will eventually happen

William Percival

4y↑8

Before you were born you were a spiritual being.
You come into the world and you live everyday and die only once, then you go back to been a spiritual being and start over and repeat the cycle.
W Percival New Zealand Gardenia Band 🇨🇰 Kia Orana

Rajveer kanojiya

scks

Nenad Pantic

This is called "Eternal Return" in philosophy; In a sense, assumes time is not an infinity, but curved line so you arrive back to repeat your life. However, it is a bit depressing idea, so people hypothesise that it is not a circle but a spiral. (see David Peake, "The Labyrinth of Tme")

Corey Hobden

I've looked up that there is no such thing as nothingness at all which makes his theory on life just pointlessly nonsense on its self our lives does not actually look like that plus i do not think time of all things exists either.

brianbjp

5y↑1

Have a look at how they select the dalai lama. There must be past life

Cheerlads

4y↑1

Watching too much Alan watts I see

truth is key 86

2y↑1

If this is true that there isn't no life afterlife only nothingness and you don't even exist or nothing then we might as well not be here at all and might as well be dead if we are living a lie

Rajveer kanojiya

@truth is key 86 no

truth is key 86

2y↑1

@Daily Insight but I do hope there is a afterlife become sometimes I have good dreams when I go to sleep as well and seeing happy memories from the past but I am not sure if dreams are link to the afterlife or what

Daily Insight

2y↑1

True.

Snow Leopard

Anthropocentric bias

Maulan Wong

4y↑8

There is no such thing as reincarnation

kanutaro

2y↑1

@Blizzforte How?

Blizzforte

It’s not possible to not exist.

Classy rassy

3y↑2

@Whimsy Persona Plenty of reports that contradict this though. Near death experiences are quite common and people often report exiting their body and being able to recall specific events that took place while they were out, even as so far as being able to recall the names of books atop book shelves that they couldn't possibly have seen from their position.

Many of my friends are astral projectors and the shit they report is fucking weird. Being able to project alongside other people and all members being able to recall the exact same scenarios and scenes when they wake up. Or some of them meeting other people in the astral, chatting with them and them arranging a meeting in the real world and this person they never met or knew physically would actually show up at the place they specified and recall the "dream".

Whimsy Persona

@Ujjwal Omar listen y’all a guy that had gotten shot said he died and the doctors brought him back so I asked what did you see he said I didn’t know I even died until the doctors told me a few years later a look up what happens if nothing after death I see a report about a motorcyclist who died for 2 minutes his response was it was like sleeping without knowing

Ujjwal Omar

3y↑1

I don't believe in God doesn't prove it doesn't exist. I believe that even if it exist, at least he would not look like the type we visualise them as human.

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Baz Strutt

4y↑1

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Just wrong...

Big C

2y↑1

Then what's your theory genius?

Spinny

Cry

Štěpán Pytlík

3y↑2

Prove it.

BG 1980s

5y↑2

Once you're dead you're dead. That's it. Who the fuck would want an afterlife. Life is painful and difficult enough.

Aye, Drey !

Absolutely nothing profound in this video. You spent Alot of time talking about equations, reality, and probability. All to say what?

Aye, Drey !

@AyeDeeBee no its not my fault the guy likes to hear himself talk. I could break this down and explain this using a 3rd of the words he used.

There is simply no need to overcomplicate this the way he did

He's also making alot of assumptions about what's possible given an infinite amount of time and how the universe will end to seriously consider anything he's says.

The big crunch isn't something we know will happen. Why even bring it up? Know of us know what Infiniti ks. Why speculate on what can be produced from it when you don't even know the fundamental nature of it. There was nothing profound here

AyeDeeBee no

2y↑1

Absolutely nothing profound in this comment

Aye, Drey !

3y↑1

@Spinny just because it plays a role doesnt mean that I need to know it to understand the message. If it's great for you Perhaps you should've kept scrolling

Spinny

3y↑2

By chance you’re existing now instead of a billion years ago obviously math will play a role here, go back to school

Romerosays

5y↑3

Romerosays

@The Bingus Where are the requirements stated for one to have an adequate position? The Bible was written by those of all positions of life, from slaves to kings from different lands.
Where are the Egyptians and Greeks today with their gods? All gone! That makes it a dead and false faith. Yet the Jews, who are the most phenomenal and controversial people on the planet, still stand and bare witness to that same God and to his ordinances to this very day.
Surely you can see that forty men would carry more weight to their testimony that one being writing alone, especially when these forty men did not know one another.

The Bingus

@Romerosays But what makes these 40 men so adequate for the position itself? Because the Quran was written by what is claimed to be a "prophet" so he was chosen by their form of a god. This meaning that the prophet's views above all else except the God itself is and should be deemed as truth in that matter. That's why at least using that logic of yours about wanting a connection from god to man.

As for the aspect of the 40 men viewing the same thing, there have been plenty of other holy texts written by and thought to at least have been certifiable back then by groups of people. The Greeks have written down countless documents and have recorded perceptions of their own gods, who's to say the same couldn't have been done for the Bible? So many years in history, people were bound to view seemingly religious sightings in groups and document it. Does that mean those sightings too are just as valid as what the 40 men had witnessed?

Romerosays

@The Bingus Apart from the Torah which is part of the Bible, what makes you think these others are an authority? The Quran was written by one man alone, compared to the Bible which was written by forty men all writing in unison and not knowing one another. How would you explain that?

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gavin barr

5y↑6

This stuff is pointless. Why bother? It has to come down to faith in one form or another. The answer is found in love. The cross being the purest form of love.

homebrandrules

gavin barr thanx for the response and proving my point.
please dont use all of the wood of the bridge u live under to make crosses, for a bridge has more utility

The Bingus

We have no way of really knowing what is true or wrong though. Who's to say the speaker in the video is right and who's to say you're right? Each belief is essentially the same and has the same possibility to really work in the end. So why argue whether what is really "real" in the end? Just choose a faith and move on because in the end it doesn't matter.

gavin barr

5y↑5

@homebrandrules Feels good. You can carry on with a mouth full of words like this video that amount to nothing, but that is a waste of time. The Cross is the most evolved thought process in history, it shows the way and gives a way back for the begotton

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