Symphony no. 25 in G minor, K. 183: I. Allegro con grio
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Symphony no. 25 in G minor K. 183: I. Allegro con grio
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@meowlord2480

FIRST MOVEMENT (Sonata-Allegro) 0:08
Exposition 0:08
First Subject 0:08
Second Subject 1:34
Repeat 2:10
Development 4:13
Recapitulation 5:05
First Subject 5:05
Second Subject 6:36
Coda 7:12

SECOND MOVEMENT (Sonata-Allegro) 7:41
Exposition 7:41
First Subject 7:41
Second Subject 8:18
Repeat 8:40
Development 9:39
Recapitulation 10:19
First Subject 10:19
Second Subject 11:16

THIRD MOVEMENT (Ternary) 11:43
First Subject 11:43
A Theme 11:43
Repeat 11:59
B Theme 12:14
A Theme 12:25
B Theme 12:47
A Theme 12:58
Second Subject 13:19
A Theme 13:19
Repeat 13:31
B Theme 13:43
B Theme 14:03
First Subject 14:24
A Theme 14:24
B Theme 14:40
A Theme 14:51

FOURTH MOVEMENT (Sonata-Allegro) 15:17
Exposition 15:17
First Subject 15:17
Second Subject 15:57
Repeat 16:32
Development 17:47
Recapitulation 18:17
First Subject 18:17
Second Subject 19:01
Coda 19:36



@wilhelmorangenbaum163

@Degree7 I talked about musical form, development, dynamics, counterpoint and orchestration (you did not mention any counterargument of how metal has any of these), at any time I mentioned harmony, that is what I referred to as regards superficialities in sonority: certain arpeggios and chords used to give an impression of "classical" harmony, not very elaborate (most metal guitarrist don't know what is a inversion o that making parallel fifths and octaves is banned in classical harmony) either because the harmony in classical music adheres to a formal development, whit some criteria regarding how and when doing certian harmonies and modulations, not the case in metal. (Not to mention that things like the Phrygian mode stopped being used after the Baroque and would not be used again if not until the end of romanticism).

To make matters worse, you mention symphonic metal when I mention that exceptions are not standard, symphonic metal is only a subgenre of the many that exist in the metal, not to mention that this one does not have much emphasis either in form and structure and that the orchestrations are awful when you comparing them to classical orchestrations such as the ones of Berlioz, Wagner, Rinsky-Korsakov or Charles Koechlin. Singing tecnique is also an abismal diferrence between the two: clasical singing requires advanced tecniques involving respiration, tone creation, tuning and projetion (just listen some opera), that's not the case with most of metal (of any genre that requires microphones).

I want you to be honest and answer me if Van Halen, Ritchie Blackmore, Yngwie Malmsteen or Dave Mustaine (just to name a few) can compose a strict counterpoint, a double fugue or even compose something by following a basic structural form like sonata form? (things which any classical composer can do) (Malmsteen's "concerto" does not even follow the basic form of any concerto because it is very obvious that he does not know how compose one).

Is ironically how big is your arrogance, calling others "pretentious" when you yourself do not know anything about what you are talking about, acted as a triggered internet tough guy because you cannot understand that one of the two types of music is obviously and abysmally inferior to the other and that the fact of thinking that there is a strong relationship between the two genders is retarted.

Go study, you retard.



@wilhelmorangenbaum163

@Degree7 It can be see that the whole problem with this debate is focusing on general vs. exceptions: the point that started this debate was the relationship between classical music and heavy metal, with heavy metal being a general term encompassing a considerable number of genres, I'm talking about metal as a GENERAL, encompassing most of its subgenres, you can't do cherrypicking with one or two subgenres (like symphonic metal or "operatic" metal) or a few bands and say that dismantles my point: yes, there are progressive metal musicians for example that can compose this type of things, that does not mean this things are characteristic of most metal genres, genres such as Thrash, Power, Doom, Groove, Sludge, Death or Black (genres that are garbage by the way). Not to mention that most of the genres that you are using to "prove" your point are crosovers genres, genres that use characteristics that are alien to the base genre (heavy metal): "HURR DURR """"OPERATIC"""" METAL PROVES YOU WRONG", everything that could be considered good of that genre is not even of metal itself, it is still inferior to most classical music. Because of that, the counterargument of operatic metal singing is especially stupid, the singing style of that genre is NOT the one used in most metal genres (which is what I talk about), it is not even a singing style own of the genre, if not of an external genre. Not to say that we assume that the singing level of those singers are at a level of competence, which I cannot consider because not even the singing level of current opera singers is at lever of competence, is lower than in past decades (see YouTube channel "this is opera" to know what I'm talking about).
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Things that classical music has that (most) metal doesn't:

Structured form based on the development of themes.
Counterpoint and polyphonic textures.
Functional sense of harmony
Advanced use of instruments and combinations of tones and timbres (most metal orchestrations are crap)
A high range of expressive resources and aesthetic execution.


Go study retard.



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@enzbroGD

To write this at 30, you would have to be a genius. To write this at 17, you would have to be Mozart.

@PubicGore

Or someone better.

@mattrapa8414

Such a coincidence

@KL-hq5yx

@@PubicGore There isn't anyone better don't you know that you filthy troll????

@PubicGore

@@KL-hq5yx Yes there is. Honestly, Mozart is overrated. Beethoven is infinitely better than every other composer combined.

@PubicGore

@Mosley Shoahs What? Are you saying Bach is better? That is very false. He did counterpoint better than Mozart, though.

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@NottSuree

Somebody: How old are you boy?
Mozart: 17
Somebody: what can you do?
17 year old Mozart:

@brianchristopher4557

Them: You can't write an entire symphony in 2 days

Mozart: halten sie mein bier

@victoriawisswell9660

Halten Sie mein Bier? Lol good idea putting it auf Deutsch! It's funnier that way

@helloman1051

Halten sie mein wein

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