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Most interesting comment from YouTube:

senselocke

I've heard about the "line of sites" before, but it seemed like woo. What I would like to know is if you factor in plate tectonic movement into the past, do these sites get closer to a definite line, or further? If as we go back, these sites crawl towards a more precise line, this would add a lot of value to the idea. Regardless, though, you've made it sound like much less of a "crackpot" idea. Here's why:
1) You thought about very clear ways of seeking evidence: rock dating, cosmic ray penetration offset by the ocean depth. Wondering about the earth UNDER these sites is quite clever.
2) You presented several clearly testable, falsifiable ideas to gather evidence and test for it.
3) You're not asking for a huge outlay. Carving a tiny channel under the Pyramids, using automated drones, these aren't super-expensive or disruptive.
4) Even if no support for this idea is found, we're bound to discover something looking in these places we haven't before, certainly of more value than the rather paltry cost of acquisition.

Of all the discussions of "ancient civilizations", whether in fantasy or sci-fi or just crazy people, you've presented what I think is the most clear and grounded approach. Which pulls this from fruitless daydreaming into the realm of actual, pragmatic possibility. And it's darned interesting.

Oh, also, the placement of "Atlantis" in the Eye of the Sahara (the Richat structure) when that part of Africa was underwater, also seems to be fairly close to this path of travel. (The discussion if it might actually be where I first heard about this "line of prominent sites", now that I think about it). Now, Atlantis is also likely nothing more than a fantasy. But the Richat formation is a really odd, interesting place, and it's been studied so little that most don't even know about it. If we're discussing using drones to collect samples along that orbit, it's pretty close by, and it would get around the lack of water nearby for manned exploration. Could easily be grouped into a larger search.

All comments from YouTube:

el⚪cin

2y↑84

TED "flagging" this talk speaks volumes about the state of our academic, archeological, and scientific community. Thank you Mr. Gilbertson 👏

Lorraine Enman-Eldred

1y↑13

Atheos B. Sapien OH, struck a nerve? You don't like it when our junk education is questioned. Sorry

Girth Brooks

1y↑5

Atheos B. Sapien Aren't you due for another booster, miss critical thinker? Lol

YTjndallas

1y↑3

Atheos B. Sapien There’s this thing called “punctuation.”
Try it. You might like it !!

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LivingWithScience82

1y↑202

Excellent speaker. I followed everything he said. He did not go off on a side trip, stayed to the direct path and kept everyone right on the subject. EXCELLENT!!

RLS

1y↑4

he kept a tight orbit on his thoughts

Nowand Then

1y↑1

@RLS —
And I guess that orbit under the sea, is the best place to look for ancient structures.

Skates

Nah.

Andrew

1y↑2

@Anthony Vyup. Right on. Remember the bicycle thingy? If you measure the ratios of the three main bars of a bike you get some numbers that “amazingly” match the ratios of the orbits of planets and masses of particles and damned near anything else if you look hard enough.

Rutger Colin Kips

It's just that there is not an actual logical connection between the anecdotes he divulges, nor is there any actual evidence for any monument-buiding before 12,000 ybp (Göbekli Tepe being the oldest known monumental construction site), nor is any of the monuments underneath his "elastic band" anywhere near such an age.

In truth, it all sounds nice, but it adds up to one big non sequitur.

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Shadow Dragon

1y↑276

Excellent talk. The example you gave about continental drift perfectly demonstrates how easily mainstream science dismisses ideas that cannot be explained by our current understanding of reality. In order for science to progress we need to be open-minded, not dogmatic.

Delta_Tesseract 84-72

1y↑3

💯 agree

Mike Bronicki

1y↑17

Something Something Dark Side you have to admit that scientists (not science) can become entrenched in their ideas and defend them beyond reason.

Jody Knight

1y↑14

Something Something Dark Side oh yeah science is always so open to new ideas they'll happily research anything fearlessly without the worry of being outcast by their peers. LMAO!!!!!

Don Kink

1y↑2

I agree and would add that we be open minded without letting our brains fall out

Don Kink

1y↑4

@Mike Bronicki that is a people problem not a science problem.

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Chris Ashton

1y↑11

I love that the speaker raised more questions than he gave answers, and the call to action was inspiring.

CFred Ochsner

1y↑112

Great video, I believe humans have been around a lot longer than what main stream people elude to. Giving credit to a simple culture that the work was way more advanced than they could do or duplicate.

mike mc

1y↑8

Maybe not around longer but more advanced longer ago than is thought.

HimOff TheQuakerOatBox

1y↑7

It's impossible to elude to something; it means avoid or escape. Did you mean allude, Einstein?

CFred Ochsner

1y↑15

@HimOff TheQuakerOatBox Simple mistake no need to get dyspeptic Einstien

guerilla grooves

6 millenia

Olive Oil

@Anthony Vyour evidence?

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Hesed Jack D. Alvarez

1y↑210

This is courageous. I applaud this man. It seems we need to dig deeper and rewrite history.

Huge Outlier

1y↑11

Graham Hancock and Randal Carlson have been talking about this stuff for years. Talking about riding on the coat tails of others.

Tyler Hargrove

1y↑11

not just him or them, dozens of people have been working on this.

Jerry Manlangit

1y↑1

Bravo Elon Musk. Hero of free speech.

IamOne

Nothing new here. Many have already stated these facts and more accurately this Neanderthal. Welcome to club, almost, better late than never

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Peter Smith

4y↑212

Roger gives an excellent talk. I have wondered for most of my life, about the megaliths, that would challenge our abilities today. We have ancient maps, showing all parts of this Earth, not just the oceans, but correctly showing continental interiors. History is not what we are taught in school. We know that these mysteries were kept from our questioning minds.

Roger may not fit TED Talks guidelines the way the guidelines are written. With respect, perhaps the Guidelines need to be revisited.

Disqus Macabre

2y↑11

I'm sorry. Questioning of established guidelines is beyond the boundaries of valid scientific inquiry. Your lack of adherence to these guidelines has been noted and records of your infringement will be maintained in case future action should be required. For everyone's sake, we must ask you you to refrain from implying guidelines could be wrong. Rest assured that if we are wrong, we will detect this and let you know about it.

Daniel Janečka

2y↑7

@Disqus Macabre ...and then no one else will have ever heard of him...

Juicy Ribbeye

2y↑6

@Disqus Macabre Are you being serious? I'm pretty sure I know the answer but I had to ask.

Bo McGillacutty

2y↑4

Not much was accurately taught beyond math and basic physics/biology if were lucky.

Terry Dorland

2y↑5

@Disqus Macabre you need to push the boundaries of your mind! It's okay to stay in the little academic box you have created for yourself but you should have put in Windows and doors.

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Rod Nelson

1y↑181

This talk is fascinating and untarnished by dogma, unlike the TED moderators whose ‘content guidelines’ phrase masks prejudice. It is TED moderators who should account for their decisions publicly on a case by case basis. In this case, I believe they have gone right overboard.

Barry Dunn

1y↑11

WELL SAID!!

Mic Mac

1y↑9

Totally agree!

Dirk Jenkinz

1y↑2

Bollocks

Rod Nelson

@Gregory Parrott thanks for this information. Appreciated and understood.

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Christopher Courson

1y↑8

Astounding! I recreated Mr. Gilbertson's 2-day circular orbit in Google Maps based on the mentioned landmarks and added a couple interesting ruins and found this to be compelling.

Richard Thomas

2y↑43

Great talk! Not only in content but in delivery. Sometimes one thumbs up doesn't seem enough.

minigrrl

Absolutely

The Ferrel Frequency

1y↑41

The culmination of Randall Carlson, Brian Forester, Robert Schoch, Greg Hancock. UNBELIEVABLE TED TALK!

It puts everything together in a new and great way with regards to a connection of modern technology, and it’s potential purposes for ancient sites and/or technology.

nomad scavenger

1y↑3

Hi, it's Graham H. A Brit and co-wrote fun books w/Rbt. Bauval, too.🙋

Jake Wilson

1y↑1

@nomad scavenger Correct - Graham Handcock has written some amazing books covering all of this.

Nagendra Beladakere

1y↑1

amazing talk👍 Puranas and other ancient literature of India has many such accounts. We see a lot of similarities with all the ancient civilizations which leads us to think there could have been a highly intelligent civilization of humans and other species during the times that are beyond our dating capabilities.

Mike McClintock

4y↑50

Roger I applaud your intelligent and courageous approach here! You ave the guts to push boundaries that most are too terrified to touch. Please keep up the good work.

Hans Dunkelberg

1y↑1

I think his talk mainly is an appeal to stay open-minded, anyway.

Favid Boehm

29w

Terrified?

stefan hall

2y↑9

What an interesting Ted Talk! It did not hit me as being too far out. We all know about these recent archeological discoveries that we really can't explain and we usually ignore. There really is a mystery in our deep past that needs to be explored. How exciting!

Karen M

1y↑22

Absolutely LOVED this talk! Yes, we need to acknowledge and start investigating the evidence for ancient civilizations that apparently had very advanced technologies. History needs rewritten. What are they so scared of?

Laura Paxton

1y↑6

losing P O W E R

Allika Williams

1y↑3

@Laura Paxton DANG. That right there.

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Sonny Shaw

1y↑7

insightfully compiled. While Ted explained about the different orbital positions and their ground paths and the ancient structures they crossed, it hit me. What if the continents were in their original positions all the way back to the one continent called Pangaea what would they cross, better yet what would they reveal? This just makes my mind go crazy thinking of the possibilities. Good job Ted; I always thought our history was a lot more complicated than what we were taught; this may not prove it, but it opens the door to many possibilities yet to be explored. It just may reveal the first civilization on earth and where its ruins are today.

Kay Anderson

Now THAT is a question!

cattus lavandula

45w

Yes, I thought the same thing. Civilizations that are far away today may have been closer to each other when they were alive. And maybe those land masses split apart much faster than we believe.

knuckles1006

1y↑35

Great talk. We know that ocean levels were 400 feet lower between 13,000 and 20,000 years ago, so searching the continental shelfs may indeed uncover stone buildings and other artifacts of lost and highly advanced civilizations.

Mary Desmond

1y↑3

if they were that advanced, why didn't they just move to higher ground?

knuckles1006

1y↑6

@Mary Desmond Well yes, the inhabitants could easily leave, but as I stated, the buildings and other stone structures would still be there. Some may be partially poking out of the ocean floor, while other structures will be completely covered up.

lionel bastos

1y↑9

In a sudden catastrophic event, one seldom gets the chance to move … picture an earthquake or a tsunami, few people get enough warning to leave.

OL Possum Outdoors

1y↑1

12,000 years ago mammoths were found flash frozen with forage in there mouth and stomach, indicating a magnetic pole reversal, major volcanic activity, covered in a layer of carbon, we are due and right on tract for another magnetic pole reversal.

Hans Dunkelberg

@lionel bastos I think Mary means that such an advanced civilization should have had sites at higher places from the beginning. But it could appear as plausible that also such a civilization would have disappeared because it would have been refined overly much, would have relied on a dangerously strong distribution of production sites for specialized equipment.

gaetano montante

1y↑68

Thank you Roger. This is one of the most exciting talks that I have enjoyed in the TED(x) smorgasbord of scientific thought discussion. There is no doubt about the existence of a very dramatic, wonderful, inspiring presence of a pre-historic existence of a humanity that excelled at producing mind boggling structures in ways and means that completely escape our "modern" understanding. I have always been convinced of the existence of a single "human culture" that produced colossal works of Art characteristically similar everywhere on Earth as well as the towering heights of their astronomical and mathematical knowledge.
To even dream that someday we will know more about our "Elders" is as exciting as the hope and (f)act of actually finding out.

Travel South Africa

1y↑2

there is an even better explanation , go look at some of Trey Smith's videos , especially the "Theory of everything"

My Pet Crow

1y↑1

Simple. Read the Sumerian texts. You’re welcome.

Tui

1y↑4

I agree. It's frustrating being in my 60s because I don't want to clock out without some of this stuff being 'solved'. What does puzzle me however about these ideas is where is the writing? I'm pretty sure a civilization advanced enough to do oceanic travel and mapping or (as this video shows) might have even understood complex orbits, would have had to have writing. So why just cryptic figures with handbags? Why not cover walls of stone with writing telling us their story, preserving it for us, which is what they were apparently trying to do: seed the hunter gatherers with technical know-how. It's a frustrating but fascinating puzzle. Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix is superb if you've not seen it. Grahame Hancock is a wonderful speaker and filmmaker.

Paint Danner

Here, here...!!!

Donny Posey

@Tui Perhaps they used "cryptic" images to just tell a story anyone of any language would have the same ideas related to them. Unfortunately we don't understand the images.

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Infinite Dynamics

4y↑202

This guy is on my wavelength, what an excellent TED talk. The most interesting talks are always the ones that give you new perspective and ask questions about what we think we know, and this guy is asking all the right questions.

Judson Wall

2y↑16

I agree, and I appreciated that he didn’t make any claims here. He didn’t say “our history is all wrong.” Because the vast majority of it is probably not. But he said “We might be missing some pieces to the puzzle; we might not. Let’s find out.” I really appreciate this perspective. And his closing thoughts (because his claims here are extraordinary): “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” Love that he didn’t shy away from that.

Sincerd Again

2y↑14

Those type talks is what TED Talks Usually ban.
Censorship is a terrible cancer in the world of knowledge.

Wesley Hobbs

2y↑7

And to think this all started in 1990's with the realization the Spinx has torrential rain damage.....

Katy Wells Kingsland

2y↑4

Yes, but I'm not sure I buy it. Any line drawn around the earth is going to hit a lot of ancient wonders because there were a lot of wonders in the ancient world. If you want to know why there are scoops and knobs on these gigantic rocks, start moving gigantic rocks and you will figure it out.

Katy Wells Kingsland

@Wesley Hobbs I do tend to buy the extra-antiquity of sphinx, however.

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Delta_Tesseract 84-72

1y↑83

To my mind this TEDx Talk demonstrates the importance of following any leads (no matter how crazy at first they may seem) to wherever good quality questions may take us. The lengths one must go to satisfactorily answer & refine it, or to disprove it, often times show where gaps in our understanding exist. This is important because it is in these gaps where novel ideas have always existed, as they silently await our recognition of them.

On the other hand, outright dismissal of good questions based solely on conflicting results which speak against our preconceptions highlights the foolishness of holding inflexible world views. Such a limiting bias takes one only so far. As more evidence accumulates in support of incredible claims we must be willing to entertain the possibility that our old preconceived conceptual frameworks should be put to rest, in favor of new ones.

Anything is possible, for those bold enough to seek a deeper understanding of things. So stay curious folks. We don't know what we don't know. To say nothing at all about that which has been forgotten through the passage of time.

Rex Hrothgar

1y↑6

Well said. And I agree wholeheartedly.

Delta_Tesseract 84-72

1y↑2

@Rex Hrothgar thank you!

Julia Fox

1y↑3

Excellent ✨

Delta_Tesseract 84-72

1y↑1

@Julia Fox thank you!

Randy Wollin

1y↑6

Well said Delta, maybe you should be giving some talks to scientists and the skeptics. I just can't understand how people can be so closed minded rather than be the one to find the answers.

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Miranda Hotspring

2y↑16

These are the sort of presentations I really love. Not too fringe but close enough to the edge to make you think about the possibilities. It's easy to fall into the trap that because we learned something that was accepted as factual we don't need to question it and anyone who does is a conspiracy theorist. The best attitude to learning is not to boast about how much we know but to embrace what we don't know and search there for scientific answers.

Bink Willans

Why would you question a fact? A fact is simply a measurement made to accepted standards. We collect facts in pursuit of science. The speaker here is pseudoscience, i.e. NOT science.

istantinople bullconsta

1y↑1

"It's easy to fall into the trap that because we learned something that was accepted as factual "

How much of this presentation was factual?

NOTE FROM TED: ". . . Claims made in this talk only represent the speaker’s personal views which are not corroborated by scientific evidence. "

bjjolley

@Bink Willans Questioning accepted answers IS science.

bjjolley

@Bink Willans so a hypothesis is a...?

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1LovePE

1y↑8

IMO- this talk was very intriguing, and informative and inspiring. It’s good when the audience is left with more question that feed curiosity. By doing so creates more minds to discover the things that may fall within the guidelines of your program.

Don Peterson

2y↑14

This was a very interesting article. This is exactly what TED talks should contain, along with the other less investigative. I applaud the powers that be to allow this well done presentation.
Investigation is always appropriate, regardless of the potential for payback or the probability of raising a few neck hackles.

Tom Holland

1y↑4

This was a great talk. Thank you for challenging modern science as they do not seem to be willing to challenge the obvious. We can see how there is an alignment of ancient and mysterious structures, my question is "why"? Is there some geomagnetic, geothermal, or other earth anomaly that suggests the "why" behind building of these fantastic megalithic sites on these exact points? I'm left wanting more!

Angel Martinez

4y↑11

This intelligent man literally worked with rocket scientists to help encourage his own curioisties that later made mathematical sense. He did research, followed his own theories, expanded the present knowledge into unimaginable lengths that can help venture out into a greater discovery and he is being flagged for that? It’s disappointing and wrong for that to have happened. Great work man, hopefully you get the credit and recognition you deserve when the world jumps onto this road of discovery you have paved the way for.

Chrissy Hardman

1y↑1

Absolutely great -- the true enquiring mind. Not just following things already accepted, but so refreshing, so inspiring. thank you Mr Gilbertson !!

OpenEyes

1y↑9

Great talk! I've been seeing rocks with what he described as "scooped out like mashed potatoes" here in middle TN. I would love to know how that happened. 🙂

theeddorian

2y↑9

In reality we can do the same thing with stone. For instance, reference surfaces (extremely flat surface) used to place points and lines, or check run out on machined tools, are typically of granite. Water tends to erode stone, weathering it to detritus, which is composed of sand, clay, and mineral fragments. Edges are most vulnerable. Much of the exceptional stone shaping can be done using water, a rough fiber cord or rope, coupled with coring drills of either copper or a natural material such as a hollow cane. Stone is commonly worked with metal presently, but it can be rapidly shaped, and polished using stone tools. If you look up Cleoptra's Needle, you can see that the obelisk was moved intact successfully in the 19th century by applying some imaginative shipwright's thinking. The technology, the machines and metal tools we have now are merely newer designs of older stone forms. They exist to achieve tasks that before would have required many more men and skilled know including basic geometry.

Hans Dunkelberg

Interesting arguments. If you just focus on a task you can achieve surprisingly much, over time. Fitting stones to each other, e.g., may have been achieved by first placing something between the stones, then shaping them in situ.

theeddorian

@Hans Dunkelberg That seems to be precisely how the Inca did it. There are partially fitted stones in various ruins thay look that way. Another consideration is the concern for appearance. Many of those finely fitted stones are closely fitted along visible edges but reveal more tolerance along concealed faces. If you look at the pyramids in particular, the interior construction is solid but quite porous. The external finshed and sheathing stones were fitted to much ccloser tolerances. I doubt that relaxed attitude toward fitting the majority of the construction stone has ever been considered when estimating how long construction took. You can reckon, if wood work is any guide at all, the around 60 to 70 percent of the time required build something is invested in the fitting process. Constructing accurate joints takes care and time. The pyramids though show a very practical turn with the primary stones placed roughly accurately but with very appreciable gaps between stones of the interior construction. Also, using templates, the carefully fitted outer casing and limetsone sheathing could be very accurately precut, and readied for placement.

Hans Dunkelberg

@theeddorian I've largely been convinced, by now, of Egypt's pyramids consisting of cast-in-situ concrete. Images I've seen have shown differences in the densities of higher and lower parts of boulders of them which strongly support such a concept.

mcnerd IMAM

30w

@Hans Dunkelbergwhat?

Hans Dunkelberg

30w

@mcnerd IMAM What, "what"? Concrete is an old invention. You may have heard of its use for Nero's Domus Aurea or for the ceiling of the Pantheon. The numberless depictions of ramps over which boulders of solid rock had been dragged to the higher stories of the pyramids apparently are wrong - despite official denials.

Bildad1976

1y↑8

Roger, I highly recommend checking out a video presentation by retired US Army Officer Dr. Walt Brown (former director of a large DOD R&D lab). The video (found on YT) is entitled "The Hydroplate Theory - The Flood (Newer Version)."
Thank you for your service, sir!

J Schneider

2y↑4

Always important to keep an open mind. There is a lot there that we don't understand, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to take a scientific approach to gather more evidence and discover more about our ancient past. We can also use our imagination to help us, Einstein did this all the time

dementus420

4y↑11

I am more fascinated by this subject than anything else and I too crave knowledge of what, who, and why all this was built throughout the planet. We have lost a massive chunk of our ancient history and it needs to be recovered.

Hans Dunkelberg

Do you really not find research into reincarnation-like phenomena even more fascinating?

Michael Abraham

2y↑3

Excellent talk! Makes me want to look for satellites I can't see. One big problem we suffer from is that so many people just don't care. They do not posses one ounce of curiosity about all of this. If it does not supply a physical need its useless information to them. There's nothing in our world that's not nuanced, and deep. Nothing that doesn't upset our theories on how it all works everytime we look deeper.

Patricia Tice

Civil engineers at some colleges are now testing synthetic stone that can be placed like concrete but is indistinguishable from native cut stone (except for the inclusions, like hair or dust) that can be made from readily available materials. Dutchinse has a video where he makes some and attempts to break it. He's also finding star forts all over the globe. Also check out whether the eye of the Sahara is on that same line. It looks like it may be and it appears to be the best fit for a historical location of Atlantis.

Rodolfo Lovato

1y↑1

I believe that history should have been and still should be pursued from these discoveries as a focal point. I can visualize the multitude of benefits.

Tom

1y↑1

Amazing! These kinds of talks is what I LOVE Ted Talks for!!!

Michael Rose

Monumental topic, epic talk. Thanks a billion, Robert G Gilbertson. You're a hero, sir.

Mike

4y↑66

This is one of the most fascinating and progressive talks I ever watched on TED ever. For TED to flag this as "Outside" of its guidelines is ridiculous at best. We need more thinking outside of the box and less traditional science. We have stalled in progress as a people/race due to the standard or norm of thinking. There is so much unexplained on this planet and it concerns all that TED is not pushing for discovery or promoting thinking outside of the box. The TED way is why man still has not made it to Mars or beyond. Limited thought, limited conversation, limited insight, and limited vision.

sevenravens

According to TED the science is ‘settled’.

SpartaNation™️

2y↑3

This is so embarrassing of TED

pazsion

2y↑1

🤣🤣🤣

gaetano montante

@sevenravens Hahahah . So funny... and so true!!!

Paul Scott Padgett

1y↑2

Absolutely Stunning
I really like this guy. We need more of him and his thoughts....Amazing

Robert Lund

2y↑2

Brilliant! He’s calling these anomalies to the attention of the scientific world, as a scientist and not as an ancient astronaut theorist. Hopefully, someone will start doing the research and discovery.

maximilian sousa

That's Fantastic!! My thought exactly!!
It has intrigued me for some time now. And why no one questions something (facts) that obviously doesn't fit the official historical narrative.
Thank you very much for that Mr. Roger. Im not in wrong direction.

amk1393

1y↑24

Question: there are other important archeological sites not located below this possible orbit. Have you considered the density of sites below this orbit versus other locations? Is there really a statistical significance here?

Question: is it possible that there was a meteor in orbit in which was possibly struck by another object, resulting in its fall to earth thereby causing the destruction of the previous civilizations hypothesized?

Michael Callaghan

1y↑3

I wondered the same thing but I don't really get the significance of the 2 day orbital line crossing a number of sites. There are hundreds more significant sites not on that line.

Joseph L

1y↑1

@Michael Callaghan You guys are both focusing on the wrong thing......

michael callaghan

1y↑5

@Joseph L he did go on about the orbit for most of the talk. But its not an orbit if there is nothing orbiting... or is there? Was there perhaps? Has he got a theory 🤔 have you? Even if its bonkers, I can handle it! 😅

william evans

1y↑3

I think the meteorite hit changed the N. American ice sheet to water. That influx in to the oceans raised sea level greatly.
Also, the vapor and particulate matter, along with increased vulcanism, resulted in increased cloud formation and blockage of sunlight.
Hello Iceage.

Joseph L

1y↑1

@william evans Thats the most probable scenario, I dont know why its not mainstream yet

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Madhu Krishna Dasa

1y↑2

I checked out your orbit path for 2DO (@11:37mins of your film) and saw that it also it passes DIRECTLY over the holy abode of Sri Navadwip Dham in India before transiting to the Mohenjo dharo complexes. Mayapura/Navawip (9 Islands) is where Sri Chaitanyadeva or Gauranga Mahaprabhu Appeared in 1486 C.E. West Bengal (the avatara of our age), north of Kolkata.
No coincidences. Thank you for sharing your insights and for having the freedom to have your wacky questions indulged and sated
🙂
Jaya Sri Krishna Chaitanya.

Mohammed Sajid

4y↑23

Humanity need to take Robert Gilbertson seriously and use all available resources & talent along with hard work to seek answers to those important questions. His works is ground breaking. He is a genius. We need to listen to him.

Hans Dunkelberg

Do you think that investigations into the question Mr. Gilbertson raises could enable us to reverse engineer valuable machinery?

ja pa

2y↑14

As a kid in the 60's I always thought that there was more to earth history than the standard drivel taught in school. Mythology often has grains of truth to be sorted and pursued. Now that we have advanced beyond the creation story we can open up to other possibilities.. and yet the myths of the great flood, the destruction of Sodom and Godmora, Atlantis, the west African mythos, etc etc can be mined for the kernels of truth not tainted by religious or political beliefs

Friendly One

2y↑1

You need to look up Randall Carlson.

TC147

This guy's a Hancock copy, but very very good. Incredibly interesting a great to see others picking up and running with Graham's incredible work 💯

dakrontu

1y↑8

I agree there is a lot of overlooked exploration that needs doing. But it costs money and time and expertise. The resources available are scant, so they are apportioned to explore what seems likely. But if the theories about 'what is likely' are wrong, we are missing rich veins. And we cannot put down the unexplained puzzles because of our enquiring minds. We need to understand how 1,000-ton stone blocks were moved, way back at the beginning of the formation of permanent human settlements that agriculture made possible, or which were even laid before then. It would be great to find a genuine piece of ancient 'modern' technology, but we never have, which is instructive, and means it either never existed, or we genuinely are looking in the wrong places.

Coming back to why the mentioned ancient structures fit along a line, well there are lots of ancient structures, so obviously some will, but why would ancient people do that? We don't. If there were ancient technologists then, like us, they would not have any need to do that. So in that sense, the starting premise is wrong. And if we discard that, then really, much of the argument falls away. Except for the question of machining and moving 1,000-ton blocks, and for me, that would be THE thing to find an answer for.

mpetersen6

1y↑2

I agree that the structures along that particular line were probably cherry picked to get the group. But it is curious the grouping they got.

Stephi Varjan

2y↑4

For those of us who belong to the "curious scientific club", if you're not feeling like a 4 year old, at least most of the time, you're missing the whole point of the exercise, of being human. Good talk.

Len Rely

1y↑1

This is the most interesting astronomical presentation I've seen in a long time, because it looks AT ourselves from above instead of human-centered astronomy. I thought by the title there was some geological evidence that Earth had a different orbit around the Sun at some point, also a theory I've never heard before.

Sith Lord Arkanon

4y↑27

The video itself is excellent, drawing information from many different fields and leaving many interesting questions to be explored. A good introduction to the possibility of a former global civilisation that technologically exceeded our own current level of development. Well worth a view and a ponder.

G F

2y↑1

Our short sighted focus on resources is always the priority. We need to change our mindset both culturally and as a species in order to dedicate resources to such an effort. After all, it's difficult to recognize answers when you either don't think you have a problem or believe you already have the solution.

Consideration Farm with Farmer Josh

38w

I like this a lot. A lot a lot. I'm working a fiction concept and I think this is something I can work with for sure. I needed this little idea. Thanks. Staying inside the sun all the time is what does it for me. Looks like these spots on Earth were Communication/Connection/Collaboration outposts with the 3+1 of the sun (Infrared/Visible/Ultraviolet - Body/Mind/Soul) inside the 3+1 of the biosphere (atmos/hydro/litho - Air/Water/Food). Allegorically speaking. More or less. I think. (I already had the bag and the sun as the center, this is good glue).

Arlos B

2y↑18

I was writing and talking about this twenty years ago...science is now just catching up. The Greenland ice core project was what spurred on my research, and yes, I saw those far out websites as well. But make no mistake, a veil has been placed over our recent past and it can reveal wonders of our past..if we only look..

ML H

1y↑6

I've watched so many Ted Talks over the years that I "almost" stopped watching them. THIS talk though is one of the most riveting and interesting and well vocalised that I've ever seen. It is also inspiring and I thank you Roger Gilbertson from the bottom of my heart.

Afi Maci

2y↑7

I’d always been wondering about those bags. And even if the connection between the orbit and the big stones and ancient location is just by accident, it’s a beautiful one. But about the granite stones, korund is the answer I’m afraid. At least for me.

KW Awards

4y↑28

An interesting TED talk for once!
More of this please and less of the other BS.

Victoria Kidd-Cromis

This was excellent. I am quite impressed. He did an good job of tying all the informaion together. The last book by Graham Hancock explores this very subject. I am happy to see otther people expousing the same ideas.

Innovatus Systems

2y↑4

Great information and made me strengthen my belife that there was or 'is' some greater power than the humans. We Hindus, believe in Seven worlds above us and Seven below us. One minor observation in his great talk - He skipped India may be because the orbit did not cover it. However there is always a next time - for the satellite to track wonders like Ellora, Belur Halebidu. etc etc

Pepper

1y↑41

This talk was fantastic. We need more.

Jim Comstock

2y↑12

Really neat stuff. The end of the pleistocene and the disappearance of the megafauna certainly seems to match everything of which he speaks. So many lost civilizations with no explanation. Keep up the good work.

JEANNETTE HOPE

1y↑1

The megafauna of Australia disappeared well before the end of the Pleistocene, at least 40,000 years ago.

Jim Comstock

@Larry Zorch Lots of lost cities, not totally advanced, but all over the globe and connected through pyramid shaped structures.

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Jim

1y↑5

Excellent coverage of the truth! Thank you!!!

tony7

4y↑5

He took a long time getting to the point of his talk but it made lots of sense how it all tied together once he got to the weirdest part. He presented good evidence. I wonder if some archeologists already know what happened and keep it secret because it would reveal more controversial topics.

EinKerl

2y↑1

Very interesting, but the first question that came to mind was is this orbit unique? If you plot every major ancient site there is, then you decide the number (let us call it s) of sites it would take to be significant and what distance (d for simplicity) they could be off a circle and still be considered significant then you found out for all of the sites how many "rubber band" orbits can be drawn with s sites within d distance what would be the answer? if it is one, then you might be on to something, if it is 10 or 20 or 30 then what you have is most probably a fascinating coincidence.

Michael Skelton

Suggested companion reading with this talk, which might help inform viewers on why (at least in the case of the builders of the ancient Egyptian necropolis on the Giza plateau) that particular latitude was chosen to build monuments, from an astronomical perspective: "The Message of the Sphinx" (or really any preceding books on the Giza necropolis) by Graham Hancock.

Some Dude

1y↑4

I am sure this hit my feed because I watched "Ancient Apocalypse" on Netflix. Interesting ideas to think about and indicative of our need to push back on so-called "settled science"!

VaN DaNgo

looking forward to reading every comment on this, meantime, this is a subject that has lead me on an endless journey, that began over 12 yrs ago; Your take on this is brilliant, thank you for this great share.......

Steve Rotter

Great talk. What he and so many others want to know, is known, but hidden.

rpbajb

4y↑13

Good talk on an old idea. The new orbit is fascinating. Maybe some of the sites that don't intersect your specific orbit line up under an orbit with a different inclination. Thanks for adding to the weight of evidence that we need to investigate these things.

MJ H

1y↑4

Excellent, inspiring and motivating presentation!

Just_JK -ing

2y↑2

Very nicely done sir, bravo.

Kerry Bennett

Hey Ted have you ever really looked at a geological map of the north Pacific? I believe it's a meteor Crater, the ring of fire is the rim . I think out of the box and have a lot of ideas I would love to discuss with some one

Gleam Brite

1y↑7

Amazing. I was thinking about all the mysterious subjects you mentioned and trying to find the same answers. All the answers are there.
All we need to do is collect it, and come to a collective conclusion.

Rebecca Bell Tyler

1y↑2

This man is absolutely right.
If we want to evolve as a race, we must first understand our ancient past and relearn so much more lost knowledge. I believe that the human race has been far more advanced in the far distant past but due to world cataclysm, we lost those who could teach and pass down that information.
When we are struggling just to survive until tomorrow, keeping a record of our past is not on your list of important things to do and after hundreds of generations, it is not impossible to imagine how we lost our knowledge of past accomplishments. Enough time passes and all that we create returns to nature and sinks back into the Earth's crust to be recycled. No ancient aliens, only ancient humans and lost knowledge!

waf

Yep exactly, although I do still believe other life exists out there in the universe.. I just don't think they played much or any part of progress

Ming On Mongo

4y↑20

It's becoming increasingly apparent that we're living not only on a privileged speck of dust in an incomprehensibly 'yuge' and violent universe, in an unusual solar system, and under a unique star, but also that humans are fortunate to even be in existence during such an incredibly special and tiny sliver of geological time.

Larry Roybal

2y↑2

AMEN 🙏🏼

Chris Freebairn

2y↑4

Yeah sure, but add the chances of a particular bacterium getting gobbled by an early cell to become mitochondria, thus overcoming the energy limitations on the size & complexity of prokaryotes cells, AND the impacts of O2 producing life & geological processes on the atmosphere etc, if you really want to blow your mind ..

Jackson Brady

So true

I am Groot

1y↑3

If you can find the ash layer at these sites and the ash came after their construction, then you have your date. You need to match the displaced sedimentary rock due to the impact with the actual impact site. The layers laid down over time since "can" be dated. You would have at minimum proven these sites are older than the cataclysm that ended them! The American Mound Builders would be a great place to start because simple core samples are all you require.

senselocke

innercry

1y↑8

Great talk from Roger! Question - does the alignment of these sites represent in aligned with this 2 day orbit, imply this used to be a previous equator that has moved at some point in the past? ie they were all positioned where they were as this was on the equator at some point??

Randy Cooper

1y↑1

I don't think so. I think that what is being implied here is that in the distant past, before this impact event in North America (12,500 - 13,000 years ago), there were Ancient Aliens that had positioned a "Mothership" on this 2 day orbital path and these aliens assisted in the construction of these sites ...directly underneath them as they orbited Earth, so that these sites could be monitored, from this orbital path, every two days. THAT'S what's being implied.

Randy Cooper

I don't think so. What is being implied here is that there was once an alien "Mothership" on this 2 day orbital path that passed directly over these sites (every two days) and these aliens either built these sites themselves or assisted humans in building them. That's what I gathered.

CeltKnight

2y↑3

Another Excellent TED talk!
I, too, as a child saw the puzzle-piece layout of the continents and proposed they once all fit together. Adults and later teachers scoffed. Then, the scientists said, "Um ... hey ..." Also as a child when people said, "Why did the dinosaurs die out?" I said they didn't; they EVOVLED. More scoffing ... and now we know where birds came from.
Sometimes the mainstream science community needs to look at fresh ideas from people not fully indoctrinated into their academia. They NEED an injection of innocent wonder, of the daring questions Why? and How?

Jessie Papa Bear

I enjoyed this talk and agree these things fit in the ideas of Ted Talk. I'd love to learn more about such things.

Rachie Sayd

4y↑40

I am very interested in the arcane long deep past of humans! Ancient unknown cultures, developments, civilizations, etc. This is one of the best TED talks I have ever heard!!! If there is any way we can discover the answers to the forgotten past, we should absolutely spend the time money and effort to do so!!! There is no telling what mysteries we could solve!!!

Matt Sapero

2y↑1

Please read Sitchin. He explains all of this in a cogent manner. Sagan generally rejected ancient astronaut theory. That was an egregious mistake.

Wrathonheirs

2y↑4

If you like this have a look at Graham Hancock’s TADtalk
Fascinating

Stephanie Smith

2y↑3

I also liked Sitchin's book The Lost Book Of Enki. What a great read. And I think he was genuine in his interpretation and translations. Aside from that Giants are a great interest I have. I once heard of an experiment involving two Parana fish in two separate tanks. One tank held regular oxygen levels and the other higher oxygen levels. The Parana that had the higher oxygen environment grew much larger than the Parana with the regular oxygen levels. So if the Earth had a higher oxygen level in ancient times Giant Humans could have been a reality, I think.

Matt Sapero

@Stephanie Smith Please keep in mind that Sitchin wrote “LBOE” as the last one at the end of his career and he clearly said he was filling in the blanks from broken tablets. Have you read his Earth Chronicles series? Please read all 7 books in order!

Chris Freebairn

@Matt Sapero to say Sagan was egregiously mistaken is a very grand claim; one of the greatest human scuentific intellects of all time challenged by who exactly .. You?

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Krisz

Truly remarkable that this makes it onto TED. It marks an end to an era. Time to open your mind!

radu CP66

1y↑1

TED, thanks for sharing even if you dont respect this gentleman's view. We still need to explain lots of things but hiding them is not helping!

Basheer Kadhim

1y↑1

Thank you for the presentation that focuses on real knowledges and informations, the interesting thing is that you joints them together to look for the missing truth! - we need to begin thinking science fictions ideas and engineering them in the science facts!-.

Bern Stock

2y↑2

I’ve been thinking the same thing myself!!!!! Love it. Brilliant TED talk!

cattus lavandula

45w↑1

Over and again we keep hearing about the similarities and bleed thru from one culture to the next, and then we're told it isn't possible as those civilizations had no contact with each other as they were so far apart. What if they weren't so far apart then? What if the continents were close together? Do we know when and at what speed the continents drifted apart?

Éllébore

4y↑67

An excellent brief of Graham Hancock decades of research on the field. Very refreshing to hear such interesting ideas be put to scrutiny.

Laura Paxton

no mention of Hancock. :(

Shannon Hamnett

For good reason

gaetano montante

1y↑2

Yes! Yes! "We, Autocrats, shall forever attempt to ban ideas and work outside our permitted fields", said all the penguins of "established Academia" in a chorus of consonant voices. "Anything/everything laying outside our dictates, must be destroyed, else our ignorance be exposed and destroyed in turn." And yes, "we are ready to die in/with the sinking ship," spoke the fools.

Hekstman

Mr Gilbertson. Very interesting talk. Thought provoking: are these sites build according to a specific regular phenomenon in the sky or…? On the other hand to substantiate that this indeed is something important and not coincidence, it would be interesting to see if the claim that that this is special can be negated. For example: can you find an orbit for any arbitrary set of sites. If this would be the case than the orbit you found is nothing special. If not than it is.

Josh K.

2y↑1

I like that he isn't going all aliens or whatever on the topic but just legit curious.

Maybe the ancient stories passed down were compelling because there is a kernel of truth and humanity lost the full story or truth of what happened along the way.

Its very interesting.

Randy Earles

very interesting talk. not sure if he's correct about the orbit/ancient sites correlation but totally agree that it warrants more scrutiny and research

Emiliano Alaimo

1y↑1

THE BEST EVER TED TALK. Highly compelling

Mike Dykes

2y↑7

There needs to be more work done on this topic. There is definitely more to learn there.

quantumeraser

4y↑24

This lecture has singlehandedly restored my faith in TED Talks. Bravo!

dragnar12

4y↑3

ted talk flagged this LOL

Mystical Occurrences

2y↑7

Wow. This is incredible. Magnificent work!

Old Chippy

2y↑8

For anyone passing by this comment. There are two specific things you should research. 1) Super flat surfaces. We're talking 8m long flat granite carved from the bedrock with a flatness of 1.1-3 micron deviations near Cusco. 2) Also look at the box at the Serapeum of Saqqara. Inside edge precision and squareness, in particular the inside edges.

These two things show the same level of capability on opposite sides of the world. The box in particular shows that things like even diamond tipped circular saws could not manucature then due to the cutting radius precludes the inside edges and corners

Technology to measure the micron level flatness has only existed since a few decades ago and many aerospace experts struggle to imagine how you would create them with their knowledge and capabilities.

It is inconceivable that 'copper tools' could accomplish this feat when we could not operate at this level of capability until after accomplishing manned space flight. which suggests.... manned space flight was possible back when these surfaces were produced.

cbjewelz

Some idle thoughts: Was there some kind of natural phenomenon that created dead flat rocks (some relic of the ice age?). And they were all collected for construction. Or what about weathering where the wind might remove all irregularities due to natural aerodynamics? Could they have engineered devices that used gravity to chip away at rock in the dead vertical? So many questions, it's a fantastic mystery to contemplate.

Photo Grapher

You can very precisely hand grind a telescope mirror using a laser to find the rough spots. That would assume the existence of lasers.

On another topic, they always say that the locals don’t show any evidence for having the ability to make a (fill in the blank). The same will be said about us. But we know that highly advanced items can be brought from a world away via UPS or fedex. But the ancients couldn’t? And they couldn’t hire contractors to do specialized work in out-of-the-way locations? We never do that today (insert sarcastic noise).
If there was someone who knew how to do or make a particular thing, they would have bought it, same as us. You can buy a cheap laser at walmart, a better one on amazon.

Miles -the sleeper- Monroe

Agreed. I'm an engineer and I'm baffled

Nora G.

1y↑2

This looks like a great map of where archeologists should continue to dig for additional possible sites… “made by humans,” made by earthlings yes, humans - maybe, but truly a witness that previously a civilization more capable than our own-collapsed.

BrokenRecord

1y↑1

I'm 14 minutes in and getting serious Chariots of the Gods vibe...I'm going to finish it, but
This guy is my age and I am going through the same existential crisis. There has to be more than this.
I'm also a scientist, so very leery of magical explanations. I hope he gets his underwater drones.

Sophie Robinson

I remember doing the same thing he did, only I traced the two continents, cut them out, and fitted them together. I showed them to my parents, and they “pooh-poohed” it. Two years later, continental drift was a thing.

Stephanie Smith

4y↑25

Well informed insightful speech. Nice job at presenting the idea of INDEPENDENT THOUGHT. So many interesting ideas that fall outside of mainstream programming are brushed aside. I can think of 2 individuals I particularly admire that have stepped forward to try & open alternative pathways in these modern times. Have their efforts been fruitful, rewarding, or made a significant impact in society? No doubt they are living proof of "practicing what you preach" and in my mind content in life and fulfilled in their personal life and body of works. Although they represent different fields of study, in many ways they have been passed by & even ridiculed by mainstream players. I'm speaking of Rupert Sheldrake & Paul Stamets. Sheldrake has the science community in fits. Even though scientists all agree we do not know "where" memories are stored. We can map the brain & see what is triggered subsequent to the memory, but not the storage of said memory. He(Sheldrake) proposes a new theory of morphic resonance. A sort of "out there in the universe" wave of knowledge or thought. (Simplified) For this he is labeled a HERETIC! Ohhhh shame for thinking on your own!
Paul Stamets proved oyster mushrooms and the net of mycelium from inoculating spore into a sample of biodiesel fuel (spill simulation) not only cleaned up the spill. It processed the soil into viable growth medium, grew edible oyster mushrooms with ZERO trace of biodiesel contamination. AND over time the dirt mound grew grass, attracted birds, and insects. Completing a cycle of regrowth and biological activity. And he is considered a hippy & psychedelic mushroom advocate. Are we using any of his knowledge in a manner that could benefit our Earth in profound ways? NOPE!
This guy unlike Elon Musk who thinks our next move should be Mars. Proposes we put more effort into finding answers right here in the world we barely know.
Thank goodness for all the good people in this world who seek answers to mysteries that have no clear answer!
Thanx TED for warning us we might learn something new!
LOL ted's not really a dude!😂🤣

gaetano montante

1y↑2

@Stephanie Smith. You, my dear, are deserving of my deepest esteem.

Barbara Wagar

1y↑1

What kind of orbital path would you get if you put all the land masses back together again like way way back when it was pretty much one Pangea? What would that look like?

Eric Holt

1y↑21

Above all else, let's not be afraid to rewrite history and call out previous misconceptions as partially or completely incorrect. Because without them, we wouldn't have a path to begin the journey towards truthful understanding.

G Wills

1y↑2

We're not allowed to rewrite history

Flâneur

@G Wills Are you positing a secret committee or a secret global leader making dictates?

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Anne Maria

That is an explanation I can understand and highly appreciate. It makes more sense than ancient aliens (because I am frightened of them so hope they do not exist).
So I looked for remnants of a global language: a designed sophisticated scientific language. Came up with the 'O' as a polite (humbling) way to adress a higher ranked, even worshipped person. The 's' for science, wisdom. The word 'an/on/anu/anno, etc. for(ancestry), time-counting. The letters 'n(o/e/i) g/h/k, like in genetics, genealogica, Nag and Nagaina (snakes), the Anu-NAKI, nativity. The letters AL/AR, as in Armenia, Argentina, the Alpes, Ra/Re, rails, rays, rayon, Rajah, Ram/Aram/Ares. The letter 'h' for everything human: a Heer is the leader (Lord) of an armee. Weapons are extended arms. Aya, mostly an 'h' put in front for easier speaking, aga means holy. All (!) those words have something to do with secular/spiritual altitude and like high mountains with snow on top, golden/silver/white/shining like metals. Then 'aqua' meaning holy water. Of course.
Different people have different pronounciations, according which sounds they are able/like/are used/hear to produce. When listening well with feeling and commitment and respect one can understand.

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