John McArthur, a native of Kingston, Jamaica, West Indies, began his studie… Read Full Bio ↴John McArthur, a native of Kingston, Jamaica, West Indies, began his studies in piano at age eight in the United States. His early studies were with the late Belgian pianist, Suzanne Shader, a student of Dr. Clarence Adler and Eduard van Remoortel, followed by studies with Ernest Ulmer, Joseph Villa, Dalmo Carra and Earl Wild while attending New York University and the Manhattan School of Music. It was during his tenure at the Manhattan School of Music as Teaching Fellow that he earned his doctorate in performance under the instruction of the eminent American virtuoso, Earl Wild.

As a participant in Master Classes, his playing has been praised by such pianists as Daniel Pollack, Constance Keene, Earl Wild and John Browning leading to an invitation by the State Department of the United States to join a delegation of educators and serve as Cultural Ambassador of the United States to Indonesia. It was also at the invitation of the Vice-Chancellor for Education, Sichuan Province, that John McArthur performed at the Sichuan College of Education in the Peoples Republic of China in June, 1995. His performances in France, Spain and South Korea are always enthusiastically received and his highly communicative playing, engaging programmes and appeal with audiences have led to him being the pianist of choice in Inaugural Recitals for new Baldwin concert grand pianos at the Cultural Arts Center Performing Arts Series, New York, the Morris L. Brown Performing Arts Series, Georgia, also leading to his inclusion in the 1989 and 1991 publication of American Keyboard Artists. McArthur has also appeared as guest artist at the Command Performance Series, Stony Brook, New York; the Brambltye Estate Performing Arts Series, New York; Teatro Bellas Artes, Venezuela and Carnegie Recital Hall, Carnegie Hall. His orchestral appearances have been with the Sarah Lawrence Orchestra, the Manhattan Symphony Orchestra, both in New York, and the Maracaibo Symphony Orchestra, Venezuela.

In Venezuela in 1987, McArthur performed the world-premiere of four transcriptions based on songs of Serge Rachmaninov written for him by American pianist/composer, John Tibbatts, and has the distinction of also premiering in New York in 1996 a multi-media performance of French composer, Maurice Ravels Gaspard de la Nuit, with original oil canvases by American artist, James Jones, along with readings of the poems by French author, Aloysius Bertrand, which served as the inspiration for Ravels music. His innovative programmes have included the works of Rachmaninov, Godowsky as well as the transcription repertoire of Liszt. "The Genesis Project," a collaborative effort between Dr. McArthur and artist, Dean Field, will explore through the music of Liszt, among others, and original oil paintings, the ecclesiastical account of the fall of man from Grace in the garden of Eden, his separation from that Grace and, finally, his ultimate restoration.

In January of 2000 John McArthur released "HIDDEN" on the Boston and Blue Street label. Produced by Backlight Records, CEO, Steven Velardo, McArthur's "HIDDEN" was the best selling classical emerging artist at Amazon.com. Classical London wrote of the recording, "A very thoughtful and reflective disk comes in the form of HIDDEN , with John McArthur, piano. The disc is predominantly concerned with slow,romanticised music, and an investigation of the inlay details shows the reason for this. Thoughts from the performer explain that he believes our world to be changing so fast, that we sometimes need to stop and reflect.This effect is certainly achieved, with this very pleasant collection of solo piano works. Although mainly arrangements of accessible light classical and romantic works, this recording contains some very fine performances of original works. A particular highlight was Rachmaninov's 'Lilacs'. The commendable piano playing is coupled with some very tasteful and effective arrangements."

Three new recordings are in the works featuring music by Ravel, Rachmaninov, Bizet, Debussy, Gluck/Chasins and Liszt.

In September of 2005, John McArthur was featured in, "A Universal Affair" a concert series at the Weill Recital Hall at Carnegie Hall. Harry Saltzman of The New York Concert Review wrote of the performance:

"McArthur is a technically impressive pianist and I liked his honest and straightforward presentation no Lang Lang histrionics. A fine performance of Liszts Reminiscences of Norma followed. This is a fiendishly difficult piece of romantic claptrap I loved it!"

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jpix96

2y↑4

@T.J. McCarty
While i don't know if God send him,
i would not dismiss him like it's nothing...

I mean the pharisees did that even with Jesus himself...
What if he did actually came from God as an warning???
It's not that John has an perfect record in theology...
At least i have found some things that contradict,
not that it's possible to be completly 100% perfect as a human.
There's so much to learn and so little time,
we are really fighting agains the clock in this life.
We never no everything...

That's why it's so important to stay open to the possibility of God sending a profet.
If he sends one we can then test the validity of his claims by scripture!

Never the less it would demand an neverending devotion from someone.
Only God himself can be that perfect...
Not that it's meant to let it slide because of that!!!

P.S. An example of a contradiction would be the believe that God just chooses who will be given grace.
This is an contardiction because 2 peter chapter 3 vers 9 say's that God wants all to come to repentance.
That would mean that either A: all come to repentance or B: God breaks his own word.
Why would i say he break his own word then? Well:
''Now let the fear of the Lord be on you. Judge carefully, for with the Lord our God there is no injustice or partiality or bribery.''
2 Chronicles chapter 19 vers 7.
God has no partiality so he does not hold one higher than another.
So he can't choose people to get grace, because then he is partial.

Michael

@Mw3 You seem confused. Let's go through all the mentions of "the word of God" in Revelation:
1:1-2 "The revelation of anointed Jesus, which God gave him, to show his slaves what must soon quickly come to pass, and he sent out an announcement by his messenger, to his slave Johannes (John), who bore witness of the word of God and the confession of the anointed Jesus, as far as he had seen."
Who gave Jesus his revelation, which he sent to John? God did. So Jesus is not God.
Neither is Jesus literally the word of God himself, which should also be apparent from this verse; Jesus is the word made flesh, not the word itself.

1:9 "I, Johannes (John), your brother and partaker in the tribulation, and in the kingdom, and enduring with anointed Jesus, was on the island called Patmos, because of the word of God and the witness of the anointed Jesus."
Again, the word of God and the anointed Jesus are mentioned separately, so clearly they are not one and the same.

6:9 "And when it opened the fifth seal, I saw under the alter, the souls of those who had been murdered because of the word of God, and because of the witness of the lamb, which they held fast."
Yet again, the word of God and the witness of the lamb are separate, not one and the same.

17:17 "For God has given it in their heart, to act according to his intention, and to have one intention, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled."
Here the words of God are plural, however Jesus is one person, so clearly this isn't talking about Jesus either.

And finally 19:11-13 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and upon it sat the one who is called faithful and true, and by righteousness he judges and wars. His eyes were then like a flaming fire, and upon his head were many crowns; upon which he had written many names, which no one knew, except for himself; and he was girded by a bloodsoaked clothing and his name was called: Word of God."
So keeping the previous verses in mind, what would make you think Jesus is now the word of God itself? That would contradict all the previous mentions of both of these two. No, Either this verse is personifying the word of God as a man on a white horse, just like the book of wisdom personifies wisdom as a woman; or it is talking about Jesus, using "Word of God" as a title, to signify his status as the word made flesh. That is logically consistent with the rest of scripture. The homousias is not consistent with the Bible.

"you’ll get the chapter and verse on the on god two powers three persons as soon as I get mine on where preachers must not have a certain amount of money."
Right. Go read the Didache, which is dated to the 1st or 2nd century AD, so this was most likely written by disciples of Jesus' own apostles. It clearly states that no minister is to receive money from the congregation, except if he needs money for a journey, and no minister is supposed to receive any more than three days of accommodation, then he is supposed to make his own living, working. Now give me an authentic church document from around the same time, or earlier, telling us to tolerate ministers who hoard worldly riches for themselves.

"Only a hypocrite would ask for what he was unwilling to provide himself."
That's on you now.

"Go to extra biblical sources then try and prevent someone else from doing the same."
I'm not preventing you, I am encouraging you. Go ahead, either find something in the Bible or something as credible as the Didache, which supports your position.

Michael

@Mw3 "ok if you just ignore all the time Jesus is called THE WORD"
No. There is no mention of Jesus in Revelation 19:13. If Jesus is called the word, then it's because he is the word made flesh, not God.

"200bc at least you had Jews talking about god as multiple persons."
Chapter and verse, please.

"You told me to rightly divine the word you must have been kidding."
No.

"Let’s go to John 8:58 you are making a really bad argument if you want to make the point that Jesus didn’t preexist again how was even with your translation he says before Abraham I was still points to a preexistence."
No. God dwelled in Jesus, and he sometimes spoke through Jesus.

"And still mirrors the angel of the lord who refers to himself not as god but then he refers to himself as god it’s almost like god has personality’s."
Same thing with "angels" (it's angelos, and it means messenger), sometimes God speaks directly through them, and sometimes less intelligent people think they are referring to themselves as God, when they're clearly not.

"Why would I assume he was preexistent? Idk because he is called the word and the word was with god (drawing a distinction between the father and the word) and the word was god."
The word being with God in the beginning, has nothing to do with Jesus.

"Odd how Philippians 2 says Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God"
Yes, if you have that same mindset, then you won't consider it robbery to be equal with God either. How is that supposed to be odd?

"If Jesus isn’t god how exactly can he be equal with god?"
Oh, he is god, just like I am, but he is not God.

Mw3

@Michael ok if you just ignore all the time Jesus is called THE WORD (rev 19:13) you ignored the fact that before Jesus 200bc at least you had Jews talking about god as multiple persons. You told me to rightly divine the word you must have been kidding.

Let’s go to John 8:58 you are making a really bad argument if you want to make the point that Jesus didn’t preexist again how was even with your translation he says before Abraham I was still points to a preexistence. And still mirrors the angel of the lord who refers to himself not as god but then he refers to himself as god it’s almost like god has personality’s.

Why would I assume he was preexistent? Idk because he is called the word and the word was with god (drawing a distinction between the father and the word) and the word was god.

Odd how Philippians 2 says Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

If Jesus isn’t god how exactly can he be equal with god?

Maria Luisa Cruz

THIS DENOMINATION CANNOT
CAST OUT
DEMONS.
“They demy the power thereof,
From such Turnaway.”
APOSTLE PAUL
IMAGINE WHAT THEY DO WHEN A WITCH TURNS UP IN THE CHURCH
TO DISRUPT!!!??
Nada.
Let thewitch hide
Since they cant even
WHIFF THE DEMONIC.
Sad

Danshelle Jones

@Q Noooo the last thing Jesus did was send the Holy Spirit (aka The Helper, Intercesor, Comforter, Guide etc)

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

And the first appearance of said comforter to the church was in acts when tongues began and miracles broke out and Joel was fulfilled

17 “‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.(Q)
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,(R)
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
Acts 2:17-18

When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
John 16:13

To say that the gifts are unnecessary and that God no longer speaks is to say the Holy Spirit, the One who empowers us with said gifts, the one who counsels us, the spirit of revelation that helps us to understand scripture, the very spirit of God is unnecessary. And that is a sure fire way to grieve Holy Spirit.

Miss Kim

2y↑5

@TheGudsdotter Absolutely! Nowhere does the Bible say God won’t speak to you. The Holy Spirit is sent to guide us, and that includes warnings of imminent danger. I’ve had many of them, lifesaving. I’m glad you heard and listened...and the man was right, cessation is in error.

I don’t necessarily think there was anything wrong with him doing that, either, it alerted a lot of people in a way that couldn’t have otherwise been done. It’s not the only biblical point on which I disagree with McArthur. I am very glad that he is taking a stand against the overreaching of the government, however.

Man pastors think we aren’t to be acting upon biblical commands. The 4 Gospels are not just sweet little Jesus stories, they are very clear instructions to ALL who follow after Jesus.

Jesus taught his disciples to do everything he did, cleanse the lepers, heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons, and teach people about the Father and the Word of God. Then Jesus said “go, make disciples of them ALL“. (He did not say just some people, and he did not give an expiration date…it was to continue at least until his 2nd coming...). And in John 14:12, He said, “Whosoever believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and ***even greater works than these shall he do***, because I go unto the Father”.

In other words, “I’m going away, and I expect anyone and everyone who claims to follow me to step up and take over and do everything I did”, and the world would be a much different place if people who claimed to follow him had been doing as he commanded all this time. It doesn’t stop at feeding and clothing the poor, he commanded the storms, he cast out demons, he healed people, he raised the dead. And he continually said to have faith in God, and only speak what God says to say, and do what God says to do.

And how do we know that? Because that’s what he did, and we’re to do what he did.

It’s a pretty tall order, to do even greater things... The only single thing that no one else could do was the Crucifixion, and that’s because he is the only one who is sinless. Answer this is not equal to perfect. Biblically, “perfect“ means to have complete faith in God, to lean on him unquestioningly, the way you sit on a chair without wondering if it’s going to hold you up. God wants us to lean on him without wondering if he’s going to hold us up. And that is counted as “perfect” to God. so when he tells you to be perfect he means trust him 100%, not to never ever make a mistake.

Michael

2y↑1

@Q "forgive me for making it a little confusing."
Ok. I forgive you.

"first of all, in order to be considered an apostle, you would have to have been witness to Jesus himself, you need to be a male and you have to be chosen by Him."
No. You would simple have to be sent out by someone, then you are an apostle of whomever sent you.

"So the more accurate term would be “disciples” or “saints” when referring to believers."
I thought we were talking about apostles?
An apostle of Jesus is a disciple of Jesus, and a disciple of Jesus is a saint. However, you don't have to sent out, to be a disciple of Jesus or a saint. Anyone who believes in Jesus and obeys him is now a holy man/woman, a saint.

"When I say post apolistic era I mean the time after the apostles died."
Well, since people are still being sent out, to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, that time has yet to come.

"The spiritual gifts are sent by God but when I say “inherent” ability I am referring to when a believer gets baptized or born again in these days, people would not just automatically know different languages or prophesy in the modern day as shown in Hebrews 1:1-2."
Neither would they back then. This has never been "automatic."

"I just want to mention that thinking people are still given these gifts like prophesy or whatever else isn’t biblically accurate"
Yes it is, and it's real. You can experience it yourself, right now. Just let God take over your life, and you will see these things.

Michael

@Q "God did speak through prophets but that was before. In the new covenant, it is only through Christ and His word that He speaks to us."
So are you saying that Jesus' apostles were under the old covenant?
Where does the Bible say, that God will never again speak through anyone but Jesus?

"Im talking about the post apostlistic age"
That's not even a biblical concept. Apostle means someone who is sent out, like a missionary. Jesus never gave an end date for his great commission, so biblically, the only "post apostolic age," is after Jesus' return.

"I’m talking about having the ability to inherently speak in different languages or heal people or say prophesies."
Yeah. No one has that inherent ability, except God.

"This was specific to the apostles at the time."
No. Only God has this ability, and therefore he can give it by his spirit. NO ONE has this inherent ability, except God.

"I believe miracles can happen but they are rare however these apolistic gifts from early Christians do not happen anymore"
That's Cessationism, it's an extrabiblical doctrine. You won't find this anywhere in the Bible, but if you really try, you can of course make the Bible say just about anything, by cherry picking, and lying about the context.

Maria Luisa Cruz

@Shane Irwin Photography
Luke 7:28
Also consider
Peters Words chap 1
Whereas Angels in heaven desire to look into the things we see…
ALSO
DID NOT JESUS
Say
And
GREATER WORKS shall
YOU DO
BECAUSE I GO TO THE FATHER
Just something to meditate.

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Doctrinal Watchdog

4y↑313

We here at the Doctrinal Watchdog Channel support the ministry of John MacArthur and warn others of Charismatic theology.

Lloyd Sims

@Doctrinal Watchdog
You're referring to the Azuza street mission. The exercise of the gifts of the Holy Spirit have been documented through out the 'dark ages' in secluded communities throughout Europe. The demonstrative emotionally driven 'Pentecostal' services today are a violation of decent order in worship.

Jesus Is0urSAVi0r!

2y↑1

@Doctrinal Watchdog That is what Cessationism is. He believes a doctrine that spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues, prophecy and healing ceased with the Apostolic Age. Historically, it was within Calvinism that modern doctrines of cessationism were first formulated. It is not beliefs of the Bible. Your not putting videos up that are people walking in the Holy Spirit & loving others & crying out to the lost. Find street preachers. They know the truth. I want to help you. God does appreciate your work.

Doctrinal Watchdog

@Jesus Is0urSAVi0r! Do you even know what is going on? John never said God can't or stopped doing all miracles.

Jesus Is0urSAVi0r!

@Doctrinal Watchdog Your WRONG I am A prophet & I healed my neighbor of back pain. Your gonna tell me, that was false? Your A lier then! Your damning souls to hell for being true Christians! Your leading men astray! You dare do this to God?!

Jesus Is0urSAVi0r!

Hey I just looked into this & John is in error. The Holy Spirit still does miracles to this day. John is preaching heresy. I can’t believe it.🧐

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Shari Cassase

2y↑32

Also, a man once collapsed during service on his way to the bathroom at church years ago. It was right in front of me and it was so shocking, the registered nurses in our congregation of course ran to him to check him and pronounced him dead but the man's wife and the pastor also ran over to him and began praying feverishly over him along with the whole congregation. The man came to and got up, saying he was fine. By the time the ambulance came and did a check on him he had nothing wrong and went to the Dr. during the week and came out with a clean bill of health. All in Jesus' name!! Not the first time I've experienced this. At my old church another man had died and was dead for 45 minutes at the hospital and after the fervent prayers of Christians with him and in the congregation back at church he came back to life. He's a family friend and is still alive almost 20 years later. And again that was earlier but not the only experience I've had. The Lord has led me to pray over others for healing and the Lord has healed me many times personally. So I know the Word of God is true. To God be the Glory!!!

Lili

@Theresa Tolf Kim Jong Un is a closet Christian, he has fashioned North Korea so that it is just like Heaven, Everybody has to love and adore the "Dear Leader", they must not say or think anything bad about the "Dear Leader" or the Republic of North Korea, they must go about their daily lives like robots, no criticism is allowed, the enemies of North Korea are demons and should be annihilated.
Now this is the kind of of life Christians aspire to in Heaven, The "Dear Leader" Jesus can do no wrong, the only difference would be perhaps there is a little more food in Heaven but in both places, bear in mind, you are being watched, maybe George Orwell visited Heaven and saw God and that is where he got the inspiration to write his novel 1984, surely Hell could be no worse than that.

Theresa Tolf

1y↑1

Please don’t pray me back to this life once I’ve gone to Heaven!

Erich Gruhne

@Lili who cares 😂😂😂🤣

Lili

I don't believe you.

Superica Golf

@stephen sage bro me too !! Totally agree !

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Armac81

2y↑3

I worked with the gentleman who rebuked MacArthur. All I can say is, this guy is a true believer, and I had many good conversations with him at work. I won't name him as I dont feel that is the right thing to do.

Jay G

3y↑66

He spoke with authority. I didn't sense he spoke because he was upset, but with a sense of urgency.

death to the worthless Shepard

@The Bare Foot Traveller he's a false prophet.

The Bare Foot Traveller

I think he was sent by God

death to the worthless Shepard

2y↑5

Just because one yells and screams does not mean he speaks with authority. Has anything this man ever prophesied come true?

jpix96

2y↑4

Chopped ONIONS

Amen.

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Shari Cassase

2y↑19

That man was absolutely right about what he said. I believe that MacArthur has heard is accountable for the truth along with those witnesses.

H P

2y↑1

@FA. He said, “you don’t believe in Prophets, you’re looking at one.

helen

2y↑1

Amen! Oh how I suffered from being raised a cessationist.

David Solomon

Well I’m sure since you believe it, that makes it correct

FA

2y↑2

@Angela This is what I understood feel free to correct: "You have grieved the Holy Spirit of God. Your doctrine of cessationism is in error. He has been grieved John McArthur, I have been to tell you that. You have sharpened the sword and you are cutting each other. You don’t believe in prophets you are looking at one. God took mercy on you to teach you the truth. Your doctrine of cessationism is in error John McArthur. It is in error I’ve been sent o tell you it’s in error. You’re an unbeliever repent of your sins........"

Angela

I could not understand what that man was saying.

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Laurie Metz

3y↑107

This is so sad. So many different doctrines, denominations and beliefs. Such division in the churches. There is only one doctrine, One God One Messiah. We have One Saviour Jesus. Salvation is the most precious gift we have been given. Repentance is a beautiful gift I never want to take for granted.

simply2sophisticated

1y↑1

@Laurie Metz Amen and amen!

WillyD42

Hi here is a short vidoe proving the works based theology of Jesus from the prophet Jonah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mmzyjY5-zQ&t=89s

Laurie Metz

2y↑1

@D. C. Hi D.C., I don't know how to change your mind but would like to comment on the Name "Yahweh" and "Jesus". I think it would be good to know Jesus would of been called "Yeshua" His Hebrew Name since He was and still is Jewish. The Name Yeshua literally means "God's Salvation" and the Name of God our Father is written is Hebrew as well. We don't really know how to pronounce His Name as there are no vowels written that we know of in ancient manuscripts. However, the letters of God's Name "Yud-Hey-Vav-Hey mean: "He was, He is and He will always Be". As for your question, I find it best to read the bible and ask Yeshua Jesus. Sometimes it takes time to get an answer, but He has always shown me.

D. C.

Jesus is not Yahweh change my mind

Nice Doppy

well to many denominations, and different approachs and divisions is a direct Reform consequenc....too bad!

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k3of5ks

3y↑273

While I agree with the disruptive man being removed from the church, I see nothing funny or laughable in making fun of the man with a “charismatic bent”. Please pray for him.

Kenneth Ohmert

The situation was made a joke, to deal with the nervousness. It wasn't befitting to laugh at the man. I've seen this before in churches. Where did Jesus ever laugh at a man? Can anyone point to that in scripture?

WillyD42

Hi here is a short vidoe proving the works based theology of Jesus from the prophet Jonah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mmzyjY5-zQ&t=89s

David Turner

@Rich Brown amen

YAH WILL provide and save the obedient with his grace and mercy

David Turner

@Jose Hernandez brilliant reply

Thank God for such wisdom

David Turner

@Lee Prochazka he does mock them. often enough you should know the truth!

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Ryan

3y↑465

The gifts and moving of the Holy Spirit continue today. 🙌🏻

Roger Olson

@death to the worthless Shepard , disagree. it is from the 1st Century forward until Jesus returns. have a good day.

death to the worthless Shepard

@Roger Olson And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions.

This does not happen until after the sun goes dark.

death to the worthless Shepard

So what has this man prophesied then? Has anything come true?

John C.

No one can put limitations on God. He can and will do what he wills to do at any time. Cessation only happens when God says it will cease and he has not stated any such disclosure with us thru his word. Cessation is a man made teaching from inferrance only. It is not in the word of God.

Brandi Bee

This shows the Holy Spirit was on the gentiles too and they spoke in tounges not just apostles

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Katshell

2y↑171

He said repent. They laughed. Wow!

Andrey Kaushnyan

@The Way of Holiness This is your personal opinion.

The Way of Holiness

1y↑1

@Andrey Kaushnyan the only false prophet here is Mr McArthur who teaches cessation of spiritual gifts.. meaning he is walking in the flesh 💔

Andrey Kaushnyan

This is what you do when a false prophet yelling at christians. This is exactly what prophet Elijah did to false prophets:

27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
3 Kings 28:27

The Way of Holiness

Sinister

Supreme Sammm

@Stephen Peckham whats acts 21:9-10 about???

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PAESO Oaks

3y↑92

Joel 2:28: NAS “It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your old men will have dreams, Your young men will see visions.
Acts 2:17: "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh."
Rom 11:29 NKJ "For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable"
John 14:12 NKJ “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.

horace smith

John mcacrthur is a good bible teacher I used to listen to him 25 years ago on radio. I agree with the man i don't know if he's really a prophet what john MacArthur lacks that the Holy Spirit can perform in the present time.

Superica Golf

@Miss Kim then why isn’t anyone going through the hospitals and healing everyone ?? Lol

Solo Drone

2y↑1

I had made up my mind not to think about anything while I was with you except Jesus Christ, and to preach him as crucified.1 Corinthians 2:2

Shari Cassase

2y↑2

@Maurice Brown What you wrote is absolutely manipulated. You should NOT change the word of God to fit your own teaching. Shame on you and God have mercy on your soul!!!

Billy James

@Maurice Brown who are u to be so dogmatic about it ?..are u almighty God ?

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Jeff Day

3y↑404

That guy has the gift of whistle. Wow that was a loud whistle.

Simon61161

That whistle sent a chill straight down my spine that I've only ever felt when I've encountered something that is clearly an evil spirit. He should have been rebuked in the name of Jesus immediately. One of the areas that I depart from Pastor MacArthur on, in the 30 years that I have listened to him, is that I do not believe that the gifts are for a past dispensation. So, I my sense that this man has an evil spirit is not based on my beliefs concerning this issue. It's because of my gift of discernment and knowing that God, being not a God of disorder and chaos, would not have someone interrupt a service like this. Anyone who knows the Holy Spirit, knows that He is a Spirit of calm and peace and this intrusion was the direct opposite of that.

WolveMarine

Ya, my thoughts exactly. Wow. He definitely got me. I turned up my phone to hear pastor John speak 😐 and... Wham! 😖

Maria .A.

@Jimmy Mac I'm going to assume you're an insider of Pastor John's church and KNOW first hand that it was staged. First hand meaning, you were there when this plan was hatched and put into motion. Are you repentant of your actions to help realize this stunt and decided now to be a whistleblower?? Hmm. If not, SIT DOWN PLEASE!

Maria .A.

"The gift of whistle" 🤣

The Knowledge

@Titus Flavius Vespasian Praise be to our Creator Almighty! my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...

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Thomas Smith

2y↑24

I think Mr John needs to listen!!

Random_G-Man

3y↑271

As much as I am a J-Mac fan, would have been nice to have seen him pray for that man.

Davey Jones

Cessationism is tripe

carlos contreras

It’s crazy to me that as good of a Bible teacher John is the more I hear his/his church stance about God speaking to you the more it reminds me of the Pharisees…. Teachers of the law a religious spirit and didn’t know God personally.

M T

@John Dardi Have you met everybody in the world already? How do you know nobody has the gift. Faith can move mountains my friend. Just believe. Do not conform to the wisdom of this world.

M T

@John Dardi I have healed people. The power belongs to God, not me. Your unbelieving comment is why God doesn’t give you such anointing.

BlackSwan

Instead of the laughter

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William Åkerlund

2y↑5

As much as I enjoy listening to John McArthur, I cannot wrap my head around cessationism. It does not seem biblical, God never said the gifts would stop (until the End that is)

iksdjvan100

2y↑62

For anyone who isn't just a surface level observer, John did not look good at all here. He didn't refute the mans claims as 1 Corinthians 14 says a prophet should be subject to the prophets (i.e. scripture) not that prophecy has ceased. On the contrary Paul literally says in that same chapter not to forbid speaking in tongues which is an odd thing to command if tongues were to cease after the lifetime of Paul. Instead, he just insulted the man by attacking his behavior without giving scripture as to why his behavior was out of line (Paul resisted Peter to his face why does the same principle not apply) and then he simply ridiculed him. However, i guess its not like John could control himself.... Oh goodness gravy!

John D

@Steve M So what are you NOW?? 🤷

Saul Espino

2y↑1

@Steve M If he wasn't wealthy would your opinion of him change?

Steve M

John MacArthur is over dripping with power and weath. I never liked him when is was a Christian years ago I thought he was a creep. Kind of reminds me of Dick Cheney especially his smugness

MJ

2y↑1

@Gustav Ibrowzinbehrd no. You should be walking in grace and ask for discernment.. test the spirit for yourself

Eliseos

2y↑1

And what about ejecting a Christian bother. Would Jesus have done this...no way!

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Seer

2y↑3

Good on him hear the volume of his voice that is definitely a true Prophet of God.

Carlos Rodriguez-Fernandez

3y↑161

“The spirit of prophet is subject to the prophet”. It depends on the circumstances, especially when the rebuke needs to be done publicly. Just to name a few that caused disruption with their public rebuke: John the baptist, Jeremiah, Elijah, Jesus.

Antbeastmode2023

That scripture doesn’t mean that it mean your gift of prophecy isn’t out of control

1963wheeler

There are no prophets alive on the earth today!
We are to repeat what we all commamded to do.
Go.
Baptize.
Teach.
If anyone is not doing these 3 things they are in disobedience!! Pastor John is doing just that while this person is biblically out of his mind and should be removed from any gatherings because he is creating division amongst the brothers and God's word says HE hates that! Stop repeating Christianity's jargon and old church doctrinal mistakes! Study God's word so you can not be ashamed! This man's behavior was shameful and before the face of God!

Dennis McFall

2y↑1

@Spencer for Hire the first reaction to such a call to repentance should be to search oneself and ask God to reveal if there is a need in oneself for repentance that has gone unseen or ignored, not to laugh.

Katshell

@Spencer for Hire it’s scary because that’s nothing to take lightly.

Spencer for Hire

@Gideon Kiruba Wow this comment is void of truth. You judged the man and don’t even know anything about him. I heard a warning and a call to repentance.

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museluvr

2y↑24

I pray Mr MacArthur is teaching the ways of Christ correctly, and not injecting his own needs into it. Christ is coming, and soon we all will have to be held accountable for good and bad deeds. Soon, all the false prophets will bend knee to Christ, our beautiful loving and merciful Lord God.

Joseph

3y↑82

When you feel you've found the perfect church. The pastor can not be wrong. We've been coming here for so long. How could God possibly be upset with us? Type of thinking. That's usually a good time to reflect on exactly how your church is. If everything about your church/pastor is perfect. I guess you are the lucky few that the Bible NEVER said would exist.

Michael

Mw3

@Michael you’ll get the chapter and verse on the on god two powers three persons as soon as I get mine on where preachers must not have a certain amount of money. Only a hypocrite would ask for what he was unwilling to provide himself. Go to extra biblical sources then try and prevent someone else from doing the same.

Mw3

@Michael yeah you either have bad Bible translation or you haven’t read revelation 19. Revelation 19 refers to the lamb (John the Baptist call Jesus the lamb) the lamb is getting married to his bride. Jesus has a bride he is coming back for (the church). John worshipped an angel and the angel said worship god (funny how no one but god is allowed worship except for Jesus on your view.

And finally his name was called the word of god. John wrote John 1 the word was with god and the word was god. Then he calls Jesus the word so Jesus must have been with god and is god.

Michael

Mw3

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Reggie Rivero

3y↑272

I didn’t find this funny or a laughing matter, actually found the reactions very sad. I agree with having the gentleman removed for disrupting service. As Christians whether we believe that speaking in tongues, miracles and healing have ceased does not warrant lack of love for fellow believers. I thank the Lord for the gift of the Holy Spirit. Who can say and prove that God doesn’t give miracles to his people - He is the Creator of all. Evan Plante wrote, “God does not need our permission to do anything. God is omnipotent and God is sovereign. This means firstly, that he is powerful enough to do whatever he wants, to whomever he wants, and whenever he wants, and secondly, that he can and will do all this without consulting humans about the appropriateness of his actions.”

H P

@Maurice Brown That interpretation you quoted is complete wrong.

H P

@Aaron Enriquez The Bible says no such thing. It says the opposite.

Mike Hardy

2y↑1

@Adam Richardson ,You need to find a great Pentecostal Church where these things happen every service.They are the nicest,caring people I have ever in 70 years come across.They really worship Jesus.

Daniel Penn

I found it sad. So many people who say they are Christian, don't, won't study Gods word.

Niranjan

@Adam Richardson Hello. My stance is in perfect alignment with yours when it comes to the gifts and miracles in association with gifts as mentioned in the Bible.

I have, too, found no evidence to support such a notion which dictates that we, the believers in today's world/day are to be or will be equipped with such miraculous gifts. Instead, I see, in the Holy Bible, what God, through The Apostle Paul wrote about the ceasing of the gift of tongues and the passing of knowledge. It is argued that there no recorded miracles performed by Paul, right, or shortly after Paul wrote that verse.

Due to my inferences, I experience the same backlash, and the same belittlement in some sense because I am somehow limiting God, supposedly. But they don't realise that it's actually them who's limiting God because they are following their own notions? I mean, how do they not see the contradiction?

I've yet to come across one person who unequivocally proves the existance of modern day miraculous gifts and prophets as mentioned in the Bible, and according to the Bible.

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Joshua D. Flores

2y↑7

I love John McCarthur and have his study Bible. I also believe that the gifts are a huge need in today’s world just like at Pentecost. However, this guy should’ve went about trying to argue that a different way. Better yet let the deliverance or healing ministry and God speak for itself.

Simon61161

Amen. That is my thinking on this. The man clearly is in need of deliverance.

Jewel

2y↑28

I’m not saying this man was hearing from God or not. However, you cannot say that he isn’t hearing the voice of God with a Scottish accent… that’s ridiculous. You’re bringing human logic into a situation that’s beyond us. I’d be careful to tell people that when they hear a still, small voice within (which does usually sound like your own voice, or could be portrayed as your own thoughts) that this isn’t God. That is actually how God speaks to people quite often. If you teach that this isn’t the Lord (sometimes it is our own thoughts, other times it’s the Lord, that’s why the Bible says “my sheep know my voice”), then you would be falsely guiding people. How sad it is to think that the Lord has desired to speak to you and you’ve all closed your ears to His still, small voice due to being told things like this man just said in the video. How sad indeed.

James Leee22

It is okay my friend all it shows is the desperation to try and justify a situation in their own favour that would otherwise shine a light back on some things they do not want people to shine a light on...

Tim Cooper

The only way ANYONE hears from God is through his word rightly divided 2 Tim 2:15
Mcarthur is a calvinist lordship salvation heretic himself

Maria Luisa Cruz

2y↑1

@Q HE can speak anyway he wants whenever he so desires.

Maria Luisa Cruz

@Q WHAT VOICE WAS HEARD AT JEDUS BAPTISM

Maria Luisa Cruz

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Solitary Pawn

2y↑50

How do you know this charismatic is a false prophet? Please state intelligently your reasons.

Eidde Arevir

One good reason is the final book of the Bible that the book of REVELATION . ITS CONTAIN ALL WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW IN THE FUTURE AND ETERNITY . SO, BETTER READ IT.

cedric eric

That's an impossibility, these people think they can comprehend God using their hopeless fleshly brains

Pistol Creek

2y↑3

@Douglas Scroggs By your standard you would have to condemn Agabus as a false prophet.

One of them named Agabus stood up and began to indicate by the Spirit that there would certainly be a great famine all over the world. And this took place in the reign of Claudius.
— Acts 11:28

Douglas Scroggs

Simple: the Holy Spirit speaks only about Jesus Christ and brings glory to him(Jesus) now ask your self if anyone using the Holy Spirit speaks outside those guidelines. Now you know

Pistol Creek

@keith How do you use scripture to know if Macarthur is a cessasionist? That doesn't make any sense.

Since Macarthur himself claims to be a cessasionist he counts as a second witness.

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nikki brausch

1y↑2

I love how Pastor John composed himself and the the entire congregation was able to laugh about it with gentleness. 💜🙌

nikki brausch

By deluded I assume you mean that I am blinded from the truth?
Pastor John speaks the truth with love and compassion, and most people don't want to hear it, because they want to justify their own sins. He reads straight from Gods word. Just as we all should.

I am sick? Meaning, I have a mental illness? Well my dear friend, we ALL fall short of the Glory of God. I take no offense to your comment and hope one day the truth will be revealed to you. :)

I wanted to comment on this video because I was once blinded from Gods love until I started reading my bible daily and started listening to his(JOHN) bible teachings. It has helped give me a better understanding of Gods truth.

Seeing how well he held himself together in front of an entire congregation speaks volumes of a true remnant of Christ. I am a Preschool teacher and have worked with childhood cancer patients, so it truly means a lot that he was able to truly show his true countenance in front of someone ridiculing him for wanting to just show his love for others and spreading the gospel.

nikki brausch

@San Mcnellis are you referring to me or the Pastor? Either way, I am so sorry you feel that way without knowing either of us:(

San Mcnellis

You are sick and deluded.

tbuitendyk

2y↑38

"A living example of why that sort of theology is dangerous"? What is so dangerous?

That's what the complacent leaders would have said to the prophet who was told to lift up his voice like a trumpet

Q

@Danshelle Jones before I address your points I just want to clarify that I’m not trying to make divides. Believing that the gifts still happen is inconsequential to salvation and if you want to believe in them that is fine from what I understand. The issue comes in when people get tricked by false teachers who claim to have these gifts as a way to get more money or for some other reason.

With that being said the verses mentioned of Acts, except for the prophesy of the last days, are specific to the time. In Romans 1:11 it states how Paul wanted to go to the church to give spiritual gifts so the church can be established. The purpose of these supernatural gifts are to solidify the church and the Word of God. We are given the Holy Spirit but according to Hebrews 1:1-2 it states how God spoke in many ways through the prophets but now He speaks through Jesus and the Word. I’m specifically talking about hearing God’s audible voice, being able to instantly speak in different languages without any prior knowledge, healing people miraculously like the apostles such as curing the blind and raising people from death, being able to prophesy and so on. These don’t happen anymore.

Danshelle Jones

Q

@Billy James I’m not limiting God, He has already spoken. In Hebrews 1:1-2, God has made it clear that in the past He spoke in many ways but now He says He only speaks through Jesus and the Word.

Billy James

2y↑1

@Q dont limit almighty God..He does what HE wants

tbuitendyk

@Q according to your faith be it unto you

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there she goes again

2y↑21

And once again John brought it all back to him. You could have prayed for this young man publicly. But you did not. Your security team took him and “talked” to him out of the public eye. What a shame 😓

David Rose

2y↑9

Even though I like some of John MacArthurs sermons. Used to listen to him on radio all the time on my way to work in Toronto Ontario. I believe the man was right. The gifts of Holy Spirit never ceased after the apostles died. But continued for 400 yrs. Until unbelief. and wrong doctrine set in. I am Charasmatic and I do not agree with the uncontrolled things going on myself. It's an abuse. Just like some people abuse salvation.

F

2y↑14

Always find it remarkable that pastors like MacArthur: (1) Believe in and defend miracles in the Bible they never witnessed and that were confirmed by the witness of everyday pre-scientific people whom they would laugh at today as gullible and not credible. (2) Will contend we don't need miracles today because we have the Bible and then present a congregational prayer request list that consists of 95% prayers for physical healing. (3) Will contend that suffering comes from God to help us grow in character (which is partly true), then seek out every doctor, medical procedure, and medicine under the sun to escape the suffering. (4) Will go through a coherent list of spiritual gifts in the NT and cherry pick which ones are valid today and which aren't.

Meanwhile, his Southern Baptist friends, in 2016 endorsed private speaking in tongues for missionaries after decades of opposing sign-gifts. The rationale: Baptist missionaries who don't believe in the supernatural, tongues, miracles, prophecy, exorcisms, etc. are laughed off the mission field in Asia, Africa, Central and South America--where the Church is exponentially growing. They admit this in their press release. Pentecostal/Charismatic churches are the face of Christianity around the world, dwarfing the reductionist, intellectualized, philosophized, dead, cold, loveless, heretic hunting, Calvinist-Baptistic churches represented by MacArthur.

While the man who disrupted the services was clearly out of order, the remarkable lack of love and compassion by MacArthur and his congregation is noteworthy. Where is the prayer, the broken heart, the concern, the love. What we see is arrogance. How differently our New Testament examples react to out of order actions in the churches. "We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up." 2 Cor 8:2bc

Cam Slevin

Truth

Joanne Dunn

Well said.. I believe God still moves in healing, tongues, and prophecy today and I would never condone what that young man did. Disappointing reaction from John and congregation. May the Lord have Mercy on us all.

Alex Gomez

2y↑1

Couldn’t agree more. John MacArthur lacks an understanding of the true Heart of Christ. John MacArthur will one day be humbled and come to understand what Christ’s Love embodied actually looks like. It is not what he demonstrates nor teaches. Christ’s Love transforms our bodies, speech and mind into that of Love and leads us to embraces those lost in confusion like the warmth of the Sun. It is such a sad reality how many have placed John MacArthur as an idol above their own direct experience of the Heart of Christ. May we come to a deeper understanding of Love and take this forward into the world and leave behind the teachings of separation and judgement and righteousness. May the level of Love present in our conduct be the measure of the depth of transformation the Holy Spirit has made in our lives and our hearts.

Nickolas Davis

Very well said. Thank you

jandia

Word

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The Bangers

2y↑5

The response to the man was completely tragic. I can't condone the way he spoke but to affirm the response of cackling and joking at him is also a problem. I don't understand why John assumes wrongly that all Charasmatics are duped and mislead. Many are absolutely commited to Scripture and seeking to live out a NT life and obeying the Great Commission. I've seen probably a hundred healings and as many people genuinely have demons cast out of them I'm not sure how to even understand why believers don't believe the Lord does this today. I've baptized people who have spontaneously without teaching or direction spoken in tongues as they rose out of the water. I totally respect John Mcarthur and appreciate his teaching gift but his doubling down against the Charasmatics while sometimes bringing checks and balances which are necessary are sometimes totally unfair.

cedric eric

Not many , as close to 100% as possible of charismatics are as close to God as a Christian can ever hope

Esther Kefu

Amen

MrSargebaxter

2y↑23

Is he saying that the Holy Spirit and moving in the gifts of it is not right in a modern church?? Can’t believe people like this get a platform

C-QPO(Christians Questioning Popular Opinion)

John MacArthur makes the stance that tounges ,personal revelation,hearing audibly from God,and other people miraculously healing others were apostolic gifts and died off with the apostles..He still believes the Holy Spirit moves and there are Spiritual gifts….just have to be very careful believing everyone’s so called “powers” and “gifts” many people are deceivers for selfish reasons

MrSargebaxter

@SiQuemaCuhh thanks for help

SiQuemaCuhh

@MrSargebaxter me being condescending ???Coming from you who’s comment says “can’t believe people like this get a platform”. Quit being soft and watch the video again

MrSargebaxter

@SiQuemaCuhh or you could help out and stop being condescending

SiQuemaCuhh

@MrSargebaxter rewatch the video. And keep watching till you answer your own question lol. Dude can’t be a prophet if he isn’t following the rules of a prophet. Yes there is rules that have to be followed if your a so called prophet.

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Alex Gual

1y↑1

JOHN 14 : 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

AMERICAN BIKER

3y↑6

This guy was extremely popular at Bethel Church and at numerous Baptist Revivals.

Nubiar5

For the people complaining about the laughing: do you realize how scary must be for them to see that man screaming, acting like he is possessed with a BACKPACK, wondering if he was going to kill them all or blow the church …? (It has happened before, church shooters) the laughing was more as a comforting mechanism … to calm people down … stop judging the congregation… this was a very traumatic moment for them and Pastor John MacArthur did his best to calm down the congregation .

Shari Cassase

2y↑9

I want to comment also my testimony of being healed yesterday. I have been home with the flu including body ache, congestion fever, etc. My husband went to church and I stayed home in bed but got up to watch our service online. I took it easy during worship but afterwards, I felt the Holy Spirit literally begin to wash away my flu symptoms. To God be the glory in the name of His Son Jesus Christ! So I praised God and was able to clean, be out of bed etc. doing what I need to do. That was just being in the presence of God and the Word of God actually says that we will do even greater works than He did because He was leaving. There are many scriptures where the Lord tells us He will be doing miraculous works after His ascension, and there's no qualifier to back up the idea that it's limited to then at all. Especially since we see what the Word says happening every day. I have seen and done a lot in my life I can say which does line up with Scripture and I and others are so grateful for it. Please believe the truth in Christ Jesus. God bless you!

John 14:12

“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.

M T

Amen

Mission1

2y↑1

The signs and wonders today are incredible. It's hard to deny it once you've experienced it like you have, and even myself. I've seen it too many times to deny that the gifts are for today.

Thanks 4 sharing your testimony.

Can’t Say

2y↑12

How in the world can he be so loud. That’s gotta be a super power.

BFF gaming

2y↑13

Wow. This "church" is wrong in so many ways. I'm so grieved. Lord Jesus show them truth when they want it.

adamseth328

2y↑38

If that was Jesus that stood up to rebuke him, is that how y’all would have treated him as well?

Walter Knight

@Jayna Richelle amen

Jayna Richelle

2y↑1

Jesus rebukes doctrine that is not sound. So there goes that. The Apostle Paul called Pharisees and people who believed them “fools.” Jesus called them snakes and hypocrites. I think John is ok sweetie. 😂 Why should they tolerate this guy screaming at their pastor? They don’t even know if this is somebody who is safe.

Tell-It-Like-It-Is

That opposer is not saying what God intends.

Walter Knight

@Kate Russell come again please?

Walter Knight

@demsy ciu Truth! Amen

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Emilylucy505

2y↑2

I’m pretty surprised by some of these comments. Even if you agree with the interrupting guy (I’m not a cessationist though there are details I’m undecided on), you can’t blame the church for responding by removing him for this interruption. As the security guy said later he had been pretending to be new member for weeks! Which is just deceptive, not Godly. He could have done a similar rebuke/message after the service, outside the church, or online in some way and it wouldn’t have been as concerning from a security standpoint. Or he could have had some conversations with John or even just church members, and explain the Biblical argument against cessationism. Plus that whistle was very alarming from a security standpoint! Churches have to be careful when someone is acting in a way that is concerning! It’s not the theology that’s dangerous, but the behavior is concerning. When someone interrupts the service with a shrill whistle you don’t know if that person is potentially dangerous! And you have to respond as if they are just in case because there is a responsibility to keep congregants safe. Some people are mentioning very public rebukes/interruptions in the Bible, but I’m sure those were over more salvific/heretical issues. Even if you agree with this guy, the entire argument is a secondary issue. Maybe you can’t attend John’s church, but there could be saved people there and in your own church no matter who is “right”. So I don’t think the extreme interruption is warranted.

James Leee22

you have no idea what stories they have made up though, you are blindly believing the narrative fed to you...

Madeleine Huhtalo

3y↑32

what I have a hard time accepting with Pastor John, is that he makes people laugh at what he thinks is wrong, and those who preach it. I do not think you do it as a holy man as well.

Andra Greene

JM should have used this as a teaching moment

Dennis McFall

@1963wheeler does this make me uncomfortable? No - not when your response begins with an untruth. Because of this, I can simply read it and set it aside. I hope God blesses you with love for Him and for others.

1963wheeler

2y↑1

@Dennis McFall You're not reading your Bible Mr. Mcfall.. Jesus consistently rebuked the pharisees and all those of the religious order who were mocking and ridiculing his heavenly father and were putting the people in their place because they were attempting to keep the law alive with rules and regulations which had nothing to do with grace and love and faith. Make no mistake, God and his sovereign plan will always be breaking the teeth of his enemies even those who called themselves holy John Mc. and tens of thousands of pastors around the world rightly dividing the word of truth are doing just that. So... does this make you uncomfortable? You need to check your heart and examine the scripture and study to show yourself approved, a workman who need not be ashamed. You might want to consider that the next time you decide to type and let the Earth know that folly is coming out of your fingers. Before the face of God!

Dennis McFall

2y↑1

I don’t find Jesus ridiculing anyone - even the Pharisees he rebuked. Even those he treated with grace, even if that grace was of a sincere and blunt rebuke - and yet there was no ridicule. The greatest One, the master of all, had every right to ridicule those who abused His people for their own gain, but did not. A great example.

Billy James

@1963wheeler u sound bigoted

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Chad Thomas

2y↑23

Jesus said the spirit would speak to our hearts and whisper in our minds the words he wants us to say.. so it is dangerous to blaspheme the Holy Ghost by saying He doesn’t speak.. maybe you should listen 👂

DJ-RocketMan

100% Holy Spirit is real my church has 4 prophets and many people speak in tongues we have many gifts.

A real church has the gifts of the spirit.

Their leaders have shut down the Spirit in their church and that's very sad :(

God's Struggler

2y↑1

Amen.

Shawn Savage

2y↑38

God is still speaking! Don’t despise the Holy Spirit.

B T

@Shawn Savage if you can give me an example from scripture where anyone spoke in an unknown language, I will believe it. But the truth is, tongues is the gift of language, actual language.

Shawn Savage

@B T there are various kinds of tongues, there are tongues that sound like gibberish and mean nothing to our mortal mind, but they do build you up spiritually. Speaking in tongues helped me get free from various sins in my life, it’s a gift and it’s awesome and from the Holy Spirit. Don’t hate or despise what you don’t understand, humble yourself and seek out the truth, even if you don’t like it.

B T

@Shawn Savage I agree that the Holy spirit did not die. The Lord speaks to us through his inspired word by the power of the Holy Spirit. Discernment of his word is aided by the Holy Spirit. Not the “Holy Spirit” that makes people say random gibberish and claim it as tongues when the book of Acts clearly describes tongues as the gift of languages. No more revelations because Jesus says in the Revelation that if anyone adds to the scriptures then they are to be cursed.

Shawn Savage

@B T through His scriptures and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit did NOT die.

B T

2y↑1

God Is still speaking through his Holy scripture that he has preserved through the ages. Not in the supernatural ways that the apostles did.

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Eric Kramer

2y↑23

“If you would like to hear God speak to you, read His word. If you would like to hear Him speak to you audibly, read it out loud.” - Justin Peters

Jason Denson

God has spoke to me numerous times. He will speek to you as well. He is a good Daddy and he loves us.

Jesus Christ Saves

2y↑3

How sad to think God doesn’t speak to his children apart from a bound book.

TheGudsdotter

2y↑2

2 Timothy 3:1-17 "1But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. " Power went out from Jesus when he healed the sick. The power from God is the Holy spirit when He workes trough us with His gifts. To deny the gifts is to deny the power of God. Those are the people who lack oil on the lamps when Jesus comes back and as a result of that are not allowed into the kingdom of God. This is very, very serious.

Miss Kim

2y↑5

TheGudsdotter

2y↑4

Well God spoke to me and I am glad He did, because if He had no tmy daughter would have been dead. I was making dinner when God told me that my daughter of three year wass sitting in the window and that the window was not closed properly and if she leand back to it she would fell out.

James Van

3y↑5

I've heard a number of accusations against John macarthur. Not sure how true they are or if any are true, but either way, the situation could have been handled better. The guy could have asked for a private conversation first. And then if he still believed John was wrong, he could have called it out.

Dongtao Jiang

2y↑12

I oddly bumped into here. The same Jesu yesterday is very active today. A gentle Jesus always brutally confronts a religiously hypocritical system that loves comforts and traditions, failing to understand the power of spiritual gifts that are tied to true humility. This man was acting like Baptist John and all the former prophets, who did not seem to show any gentleness to a failed religious system again and again. In God's eyes, this disruptive man was a humbled righteous one, not in the eyes of the carnal minds. God's way of doing things is different than religious folks think and is still being hated inside the churches. How sad!

John Martinez

@Q that is in correct for anyone to believe the the true church of JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH does not have spiritual gifts this is still happening today if you believe it or not who ever has told you that has Deceived you these things happen every day JESUS himself still comes from heaven to earth to save people in the flesh he has a church that heals,cast out devils and demons and walks in his spirit everywhere they go I pray that the mighty GOD CREATOR JESUS OF NAZARETH corrects you to have understanding love and joy in the HOLY GHOST

Q

@anat borodin I never said anything about the Holy Spirit not helping during preaching at all. Romans 1:11 states, "For I long to see you, that I may impart to you some, spiritual gift, so that you may be established" The purpose of these abilities are to solidify and establish the Word of God. Like I explained earlier Hebrews 1:1-2 states that in times before God spoke in many different ways, (prophets, dreams, visions etc), but in these last days, He has spoken through Jesus and His Word. This means that no one has any apostolic gifts anymore, no one has visions anymore, and no one hears the voice of God anymore.

anat borodin

2y↑2

@Q where in the Bible does it say that the way God operates has changed? Where does Paul say, please do not use the Holy Spirit to be with you as you preach?
Paul said
, “I long to see you so that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to make you strong” (Romans 1:11

Q

@anat borodin The Spirit works within us every single moment but Romans 1:11 makes it clear that the reason these gifts are possible is to establish the church and the Word. Miracles and these supernatural abilities are meant to solidify God's Word but that time has passed. No more revelations no more spiritual gifts.

anat borodin

2y↑2

@Q then how did the book of acts get written? What about joel, in the end times i shall pour out my spirit. Young men will prophecy, old will have visions.
Is not the Spirit active in comfirming the Word. Paul says he came not in eloquence of words but by demonstration of the spirit

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zaaz azza

2y↑10

I love how Phil Johnson knows that God doesnt speak with a Scottish accent because “you know”

Ihab Kelada

2y↑18

Jesus said “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.”
John 14:12.
With just one verse, JM is already wrong!

M T

@Sage Art Have you read Acts 2???

Sage Art

2y↑7

This verse is not talking about performing greater miracles which is what I am assuming you interpret this verse as. Jesus called his disciples to be fishers of men, that was the works they were doing. That is the works Jesus is referring to, to call more to the Gospel of Jesus Christ so they will repent of their sins and be saved through Grace... And when he says greater works, keep in mind that Jesus only did his ministry for 3 years, some of his Disciples went on to continue the ministry longer than 3 years, some traveled to places further than what Christ had traveled to. So translating works to the performing of miracles as an interpretation is really limiting what it means to do the work of Christ. If Jesus was talking about performing greater miracles than he did, he would have clearly said you will perform greater miracles than I did. Even the thought of performing greater miracles doesn't make sense to me, cause we don't see anything like that happening in today's world. Since Jesus raised the dead, is a person going to raise better dead or greater dead? Does that even make sense? Or are they going to heal a greater sick person? Or walk on greater water? Do you see why it is myopic to view the works Christ talked about in this manner? I'm sure you have other verses to quote, and I implore you to share them, and I will explain those verses in the context they can be viewed. This charismatic movement is a detriment to Christianity and is not even up to 150 years old, prior to that all early church believers did not subscribe to the nonsense we see being spouted by many today..

Don Diego

1y↑2

Ol’ John confronted with the truth.

Learning Seven Research Goals

2y↑20

The sanctimonious and sarcastic reaction from pastor and audience is upsetting. I’m not sure about cessationism, but I imagine that when the prophets of old confronted the strong religious leaders of their time they were held in similar contempt and treated with similar derision as this man was. Maybe this could have been a moment of solemn reflection. God be Praised.

John C.

The man was totally inappropriate and in error. Making a spectacle of oneself is not the way to convince anyone of your point, it makes you look like a kook. He needed to have a sit down discussion and/or debate with John MacArthur one on one and make his points in a respectful back and forth manner.

Learning Seven Research Goals

2y↑1

@Mark Hignite you stop judging me

Mark Hignite

stop judging you weren't their you probably would have ran and hid in bathroom so stop being a judge.

anat borodin

Anen

Joshua

2y↑1

Well, there ya go folks. It's still illegal to heckle a church service. God bless to our American liberties of religious expression 😇

David Bernard

2y↑2

WE SUPPORT ALL WHO LOVE JESUS.

Bob Obake

2y↑4

This breaks my heart... blessed are the peace makers...

Coming soon

2y↑16

I like The teachings of John MacArthur very much and I applaud the man too for his steadfast no compromise approach. And you know what’s coming…. BUT, I have no problem with the disruptive man who states cessationism is false. In this dark world we need more of than ever to have an ear to hear what the spirit of the Lord is saying. And for the record elders can be publicly rebuked. No body is above the law. I’d rather humble myself now. I’d be very careful about painting people as mad who claim to hear the voice of God this man is treading on dangerous ground. Don’t fall into the sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit, he is still speaking through man even today.

Relax and Slumber

Amen.

me me

3y↑50

But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning.
1 timothy 5:20

Michael

2y↑1

Michael

@Q "it makes it clear that God will not speak to us in a literal voice, whether it is internal or external but instead through His Son. That is what I meant when referencing the new covenant in this particular way."
No it doesn't. It states that in "these last days" (the days of the eriting of the New Testament) God has spoken to us (the contemporaries of the author) through his son.
There is no mention of a "voice" anywhere in that passage.

Q

Also in Hebrews 1:1-2 it makes it clear that God will not speak to us in a literal voice, whether it is internal or external but instead through His Son. That is what I meant when referencing the new covenant in this particular way.

Q

@Michael forgive me for making it a little confusing. I’m going to better articulate this in a respectful manner. first of all, in order to be considered an apostle, you would have to have been witness to Jesus himself, you need to be a male and you have to be chosen by Him. So the more accurate term would be “disciples” or “saints” when referring to believers. When I say post apolistic era I mean the time after the apostles died. The spiritual gifts are sent by God but when I say “inherent” ability I am referring to when a believer gets baptized or born again in these days, people would not just automatically know different languages or prophesy in the modern day as shown in Hebrews 1:1-2. The cessation doctrine, whether you believe it or not is inconsequential to salvation so if you choose to believe it or not it really doesn’t matter since that is not the point. I just want to mention that thinking people are still given these gifts like prophesy or whatever else isn’t biblically accurate, but this should not divide us :)

Edit: Actually believing in this is very dangerous. Don’t listen to people who say they can do any of these gifts.

Michael

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E M

3y↑39

Lol!. 🤣🤣🤣
I like how he came up and got everybody's attention as he whistled very loud.. 😳

Saul Espino

@Mortimer Snerd Nailed it, excellent point.

Mortimer Snerd

2y↑1

You "liked" his approach? Then learn the lesson of what the Scriptures teach - "Let all things be done properly and in an orderly manner." 1 Corinthians 14:40. This behavior wasn't.

Miss Kim

And I was wrong. He’s a Scot, they say. Equal in attitude, love them. He didn’t say enough for me to differentiate the accent, or I probably would have.

Miss Kim

A proper Irishman. He sounded Irish, and he acted Irish. And that’s a good thing. if he’s not Irish, I’d be surprised.

Kenneth H. Kidwell

3y↑31

For a few seconds it sounded to me like Ray Comfort. Love you Ray.

Fakeslimshady

RAY COMFORT IS SCOTTISH?

Just a person

2y↑1

Yup if it was Ray then it really wouldn't have been a laughing matter hahaha

Michael

That would have been awesome though!

Jesus Perez

2y↑7

God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will
Hebrews 2:4 NKJV
First church I attended when really seeking God was Baptist. They told me to read the gospels cos I didn't know about Jesus. I accepted the Lord and almost immediately heard His voice and had my first vision. They didnt tell me to read the book of acts tho. I read the whole new testament and I really believed in the supernatural power of God and the first miracle I witnessed when praying for someone was the healing of eyes. I put my hands on a lady's eyes who was almost blind and she told me that when began to pray she felt her eyes were pulled. I felt heat coming out of my hands. After the miracle I preached the gospel boldly and she did believe it was Jesus and believed in Him even tho she didn't repent but that was her free will. That was the beginning of many many miracles I've witnessed, encounters with angels and fighting even demons. God doesn't change. Gifts are weapons and tools for the church to bless, serve and fight. God bless

Maurice Brown

2y↑1

He did that through the laying on of the apostles hands - Acts 8:17

Chris Bartell

2y↑2

Modern day Acts 19:2 “We didn’t even know there is such thing as a Holy Spirit?”

Jason Macneil

There ISN'T a question mark at the end of that verse!

MidnightModder

2y↑41

I'm not a Charismatic and I'm not a John MacArthur idolater, and I say that either could be right. Our greatest theologians are at odds with each other on this issue. And frankly, I don't even know if it's a huge deal. What matters is the gospel. Preach the gospel. Don't blaspheme the Holy Spirit by saying miracles have stopped or blaspheme Him by performing false miracles. Just preach the gospel and save souls.

John Mirabal

@MidnightModder Curse me out. Say whatever makes you feel good about yourself.

John Mirabal

@MidnightModder Right...Anyways, there's no need for me to look up anyone or pick sides. There's clear Biblical examples, like Nebuchadnezzar. But you look for support in someone else's mouth and not God's mouth I guess. 🤷🏻‍♂️

MidnightModder

@John Mirabal Tell that to the unbelievers who have more good works under their belt than you ever will even with the Holy Spirit. Take that Calvinist copy pasta elsewhere, I've been there, done that, got a trashy t-shirt, and realized it is the biggest heresy against Christianity we have today. Go listen to Leighton Flowers or something because there is 0 excuse for this ignorance of doctrine nowadays. You haven't even thought it through for yourself and your cookie cutter copy and paste response is evidence of that. Thank God for the Holy Spirit because you folks make my blood boil and I'm too close to cursing every one of you out for this disgusting doctrine that is so obviously against God's word to anyone who isn't sucking the Calvinist tit.

John Mirabal

@MidnightModder So is man's will stronger than God's will? Remember, he loved us first. We don't choose God, in fact none of us choose God. So he can and does impose his will on us whether we like it or not. Not saying you can't make good choices. You can, only when the Spirit dwells and works in you.

MidnightModder

@virginia Sanchez ❤️

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Shimms Koopelian

2y↑2

It took alot of boldness to speak out like that and confront him. People see it as an outburst. It was likely the Spirit leading this man to join the church whilst giving him a burden of the sin they're in and much prayer for the situation. People just want to put YHVH in a neat box but He never was in scripture. He constantly removed Himself from the boxes of men

Gaelic Reaction

3y↑302

Nobody expects the Scottish Inquisition.

dallaskenn

@Patricia Sunday Ministries Uh Oh!

Elliott Humrich

@mercerslayer I like that!!

mercerslayer

2y↑1

I peed a little reading that.

Elliott Humrich

@Patricia Sunday Ministries Are you effing serious?? Take a strong drink and go back to bed, Lady!!

Patricia Sunday Ministries

No but one day there will be another Catholic Inquisition. I hope you are not left here for it.

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Matthew Holmes

2y↑1

It's ironic that he brings up, that the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet...he literally just admitted that verse is correct.

claudius hedrington

2y↑5

It would have been interesting, for john MacArthur to publicly accept the man's objection/ resistance to the doctrine that he found offensive, I was reminded of events out of scripture, if one is truly led by the Lord, the people in attendance, as well as mr. MacArthur would have nothing to fear at all, instead we get a secondary observation/ critique as it were by the gentleman being interviewed, God's man should never be afraid why ? Because he is a child / servant of the most high God, and his son Jesus Christ our Lord. 🤔

Matthew Meno

God bless John Mcarthur!

Jay Son

2y↑2

Wait
The doctrine of cessation is an error.
For him to laugh that off is absolutely insane.

Firstly…. I can’t say he’s a prophet but I also can’t say that’s not how a prophet would behave and the people laughing and whistling is a shame, even worse. Sad, very sad.

Dan Crawford

2y↑5

TO: Anyone who believes tongues & gifts have ceased;
Cite the verse that says that.

josh lester

2y↑1

@Alecia Wimer don’t take that verse out of context. They shall cease when that which is perfect has come. That which is perfect has not come yet. That is referring to the rapture of the church. That’s why in Hebrews 13 verse eight The apostle Paul stated that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever. They haven’t ceased yet because I received the same spirit that they did. I have what they had in acts chapter 2. There are millions baptized in the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues every day. Millions more water baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of their sins according to acts 2:38. God uses me in the gifts of the spirit as well. They have not ceased and they won’t cease until the shofar blows and we are raptured out of here. By the way, God used me to give the interpretation of tongues in a Pentecostal church two weeks ago.

Alecia Wimer

1 Corinthians 13:8

Lupe Guadalupe

I have been grieved by this doctrine of creationism since I became born again. God has worked many real miracles in my life and YES this doctrine has grieved the Holy Spirit.

RolySantos

2y↑2

I cannot definitively say that the Gifts of the Spirit have ceased. I can say I love The Lord very much and want nothing for myself than what He wants and I have not experienced any of them.
What I do wonder very much is whether the proponents that the Gifts of the Spirt have not ceased are as concerned about the Fruit of the Spirit; Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Gentleness, Faithfulness and Self Control.

Judging by some of the comments It seems they've lost sight of these fruits which I believe are even more important than the gifts.

Chris Taylor

2y↑70

I don’t know the greatest profit ever was John the Baptist. He came on the scene screaming repent just like that guy.

Maria Luisa Cruz

2y↑1

@Shane Irwin
I dont chase works. I chase after souls. The Spiritual Gifts mentioned in Corinthians are available to me and anyone desiring them ….. to do the work.
And help those in need.

Shane Irwin

@Maria Luisa Cruz How many people have ever done greater works than Christ? The apostles? no. Anyone on earth today or before us? no. So, I think to keep chasing after that goal, we should interpret what Jesus meant by saying that. Perhaps he meant greater in scope? Again, not one singe person has done greater woks than Christ....EVER. Not so far as miracles and signs.

Maria Luisa Cruz

Shane Irwin Photography

2y↑1

@Maria Luisa Cruz where does it say we are great than John?

Maria Luisa Cruz

And Word says that
We are greater than JOHN THE BAPTIST.
Also the man interviewed
Said that
“He managed to find his way
Up to the front…,sic”
You mean that you actually
Have preferred seating spots?”

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Tim Rodriguez

2y↑6

If your a Spider-Man fan, the thumbnail is priceless lol great job

Joe Meriana

2y↑2

The religious of our time, the religious leaders of our time! You see what happen to Jesus happen to His people.

Joseph Mothersbaugh

2y↑2

I would ask the man to be brought up to speak. I would encourage him to calm down and pray with him to bring a message for everyone. The interview with the assistant pastor reveals a problem with how this was handled. We would all benefit if our faith encourages discussion, not just removing someone completely.

MJ

And you, my friend, are of god

Julie Vander Leest

2y↑24

I’m glad Pastor John clarified what he was saying because I didn’t understand a word of it. Wow. Pastor handled it with such calmness and compassion.

Q

Im talking about the post apostlistic age

Q

2y↑1

@Michael God did speak through prophets but that was before. In the new covenant, it is only through Christ and His word that He speaks to us.

Michael

@Q I basically agree with you, but you have to realize that we don't have a monopoly on theology.

"God absolutely does NOT speak in any voice of whatever kind. We hear His voice through the word only."
Here specifically you are in disagreement with the Bible, because the Bible never states anywhere, that Jesus is the exclusive vessel of God's speech, in fact the same passage you just quoted from reminds us that God used to speak through the prophets.
God speaks through many people, and if you believe that the apostles were inspired, then you even believe that God spoke through others after Jesus, so you are not unfamiliar with this line of thinking.

Q

2y↑1

@Michael Hebrews 1:2 “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things…” God absolutely does NOT speak in any voice of whatever kind. We hear His voice through the word only. No new revelation can be made. I would recommend reading Hebrews 1:1 as well.

The Recluse

2y↑2

You honestly call John "Charlatan" MacArthur a pastor? Wow!

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TJB 1955

2y↑49

MacArthur has contributed much to our faith, yet on this point I agree with the man and fully disagree with cessation. What MacArthur has taught has been done in public, according to Paul's example with Peter, the rebuke should therefore be in public. This should have happened with Rick Warren and many others who have wrought much damage to the faith.

M T

2y↑1

Amen

TJB 1955

@Me Andover it's not the what
But the how. The church is a screwed up mess because potentates are not challenged. The only caveat I would conceed in is that the guy is not someone under the authority of brother " The Holy Spirit died after Acts." Cessationism clearly is grieving the Holy Spirit, denying the power thereof, where in reports from around the world rebuke the foolishness. There has been enough blame for greiving The Holy Spirit through both cessationism and the charismatic movement to equally go around. Yet, we shall be known by our disdain and division.😞

Me Andover

No, Paul’s rebuke of Peter before the others was due to his hypocrisy, not because of his duly held belief. I am not a cessations, but as a former “charismatic,” these are the types of “leadings” that often times try to pass as the “leading of the Holy Spirit” in uncharacteristic unholiness. Jesus strong rebukes against the religious Pharisees was for saying and not doing (hypocrisy) and for their error of the scriptures based, not on sincerely held beliefs, but on that blinding hypocrisy. Pastor John’s “cessationism,” I believe, is his sincerely held belief. God is sovereign and doesn’t need Pastor John’s explanations of what He still does or doesn’t do. He does according to His own will. By the same token, self-styled “prophets” who act unloving and unholy toward other genuine, Christians are as dishonoring to Christ as the “heresy” they feel they must correct “for God.”

TJB 1955

@Uncas Unga 5 subscribers and 2 videos🤣 Such a powerful intellect, who could challenge such power? 🤣

Uncas Unga

You are clueless

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Devon Machado

2y↑6

I love how Steve Lawson was in the front row watching all of this go down😂

Ethan Gray

2y↑5

I’ve always been interested by JM and his teachings, but as for the guy they interviewed, why couldn’t God speak to a Scottish guy in a Scottish accent? Personally if God was speaking to me, to lessen the shock and make sure I’m hearing what he says, the almighty I would think should speak to me in my native tongue…

Jared Mumper

it’s less of a question of if but more of a question of would.

4 REAL

2y↑2

For him to get that close was a total security failure on the part of the "Grace to You" security personnel.
That man could have easily assassinated him before they even knew what was going on

John Lopez

Really... Assassinate..? You know, obviously the was having great difficulty and seem to be deeply troubled however can't have people disrupting service it is cause for concern yeah but I can't you know I can't assume that someone is dangerous or I cannot live in fear of backpacks

Matthew

He has the gift of voice

Jayna Richelle

2y↑1

Yeah we heard what he was saying. Loud and clear…And I’m wearing ear buds…

Paul Longo

3y↑13

A class man, how he handled it and gave an answer to his accusation.

Joey Dutton

3y↑2

Yes, the man that confronted that heretic JMac was truly brave. JMac pretended to be intellectually superior, as always. JMac is incapable of hearing a rebuke from the Lord. He continues to preach his fear, ignorance, heresy and hatred for the Holy Spirit to this day. Sad. And people still follow and praise him. Even more sad.

Let the truth be told

3y↑4

he gave no answer, at least from the bible.

Chris Bunow

So thankful Pastor John just wrote a very timely letter of open rebuke to the Governor of California. He is a prophet and just doesn't know it yet. That day is about ti come.

John C.

2y↑1

John took it all in stride and lessened the tensions the congregation must have been feeling. That scene must have been very upsetting for everyone. Using humor to lighten the tension put everyone at ease.
The man was totally inappropriate and in error. Making a spectacle of oneself is not the way to convince anyone of your point, it makes you look like a kook. He needed to have a sit down discussion and/or debate with John MacArthur one on one and make his points in a respectful back and forth manner with John. This spectacle convinced no one of anything.

John Reyes

3y↑125

I respect Pastor Macarthur, but I experience and have experienced the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the today, yesterday and forever. HEBREWS 13:8

Maria Luisa Cruz

2y↑1

AMEN!
I quit lustening to him when he was
Teaching hardcore against
Tongues. Back in 1986.
Lord God will be his final judge.

kratos834

@ThisIsGonnaBFine The hypocrisy is real. Just in the last post you called me, a gentleman you know nothing about, a Calvinist.

I think you need to rethink your interpretation of God. It seems you have no concept of accountability with truth.

ThisIsGonnaBFine

@kratos834 You are calling a Gentlemen You know NOTHING about, a false prophet; whereas there is PLENTY To Know about John MacArthur. Tell Me, do You BELIEVE In a "Limited Atonement"? Do You Believe in God Completely DETERMINING EVERY SINGLE ACTION THAT HAPPENS ON EARTH AND IN THE UNIVERSE? Do You BELIEVE like R.C. Sproul, when He said "If there's one rogue molecule in the universe, than God isn't God." You are calling a guy that stood up to Johnny a false prophet; I think the falsity is CLEARLY SEEN in John MacArthur's theology(or lack thereof)! Second Timothy 3:5 describes John MacArthur and all of calvinism, "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." As I said, if First Corinthians 14:38 fits You, "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.", then WEAR IT.

kratos834

@ThisIsGonnaBFine Ah got it. So you’ve got nothing. Understood. Once you meet a false prophet, you tend to know how to test them. They usually don’t know how to use God’s Word at all.

ThisIsGonnaBFine

@kratos834 When You "run" into one calvinist, you've run in to all of them; I have a Scripture for You, "But if any man(or in your case, 'woman') be ignorant, let him be ignorant."(I Cor. 14:38)

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Paul Gross

2y↑1

I believe the man that came to your church was speaking the truth

Esperanza Dios Yacila

Pray for him 🙏

I believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God

2y↑8

I am not defending the man's actions but this man who was interviewed afterward said that God does not have a Scottish accent and perhaps he dosent but let's remember God speaks to all of us as we know in different ways and the most common IS our thoughts and so of course God's voice will always sound like US wherever we come from if you ask a Chinese person when God speaks to them does he speak Chinese and those who are from China will say yes so that dosent prove the guy was a lunatic because he said God speaks to him in his head with his own accent that just means God dosent speak to us in whatever dialect or accent he normally no he uses the launguage or form of launguage we are accostomed to

Q

I think I just didn’t properly say this clearly before. My bad

Q

@Efrain Garcia let me rephrase. God chooses not to speak with an audible voice anymore according to Hebrews 1:1-2

Efrain Garcia

@Q wow, do you have any idea how limiting that sounds?????

You're basically telling God, "I believe in you God, creator of heaven and earth, the one who put Jonah in the whale's belly (if you even believe that), the one who presented Himself before the apostles after resurrected, but I don't believe you can speak with an audible voice, sorry."

You better rethink your statement or belief for your own good.

Q

@I believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God I’m referring to an audible voice, whether that be internal or external. He can speak in many different ways but definitely not with an actual voice

I believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God

2y↑1

@Q wrong God does use a launguage and has invented each and every dialect and language so of course hell use that method it's also known as a conscienc!

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Coleman Gothard

3y↑16

Love the doctrine of grace but I do not believe the Gifts have ceased

kprop

Grace and the gifts of the Holy Spirit are only mutually exclusive in the world of man-made doctrine. Our efforts to embody inspired doctrines in certain creeds and dogma (Westminster Confession, Nicene creed, etc.) do NOT mean that our creeds are inspired by God. They are (can be) helpful, man-made tools, and they should be carefully regarded as such.

Warrior Poet

2y↑1

I wish he would of just stopped and prayed for the man, instead of making fun of him after security dragged him out. Also a bit disturbed that they called the police and had the man takin to jail. I have looked to John many times for guidance in my walk with Christ, but sometimes I feel that he can come off a bit judgmental and cold.

D’ Anthony

2y↑3

1 Timothy 5:20

20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Paul rebuked Peter. Also prophets normally bring judgement and warnings.

Sanctified57

2y↑2

The guy was correct. McCarthur ignored previous private corrections and so an impactful public message was the correct option. John Mcarthur is in grace error

low-key Righteous

2y↑1

To hear everyone complain about John MacArthur laughing and way of dealing with the man is strange. I don't question what John MacArthur preaches because so far all I've heard from him has been biblical , I can go to the word of God and look up what the man speaks about . And he glorifies Christ and Christ only... Never himself, not any other individual and that's what a true man of God speaks. I don't want to hear any pastor talking about all the goodness he does or any man trying to glorify himself . Man is not meant to be glorified, they have no business being glorified , they are sinful humans. Our heavenly Father and Christ alone deserve glory and that's it. The fact that this stranger got up and interrupted a man who preaches the word of God doesn't deserve to be listened to , he isn't the pastor , he hasn't earned the right to be up there preaching the word of God , to just come into somebody's church and get up on stage and scream this and that who knows who he is or what he does . He could be your everyday sinner just wanting attention . It just caught me off guard to see how many people sided with him and felt bad lol. A whole lot of mentally insane folks do just what he does , I'm surprised the man didn't claim to be the messiah as I've heard many times .

Israel Juarez

2y↑5

That's what happens when you dont preach truth and just tickle my ears sermons..........

Mariano Solis

2y↑2

What a mess! Tremendous whistle… and what a wrong way to approach someone. I’m sure the guy became a hero to his cult 😐

The Way of Holiness

Sinister reaction from "church" to being warned (yet again)..
It's ridiculous to believe that God doesn't speak to people today, that He's limited by His own book..
John apostle said Himself that biblical accounts were only put into writing in order that we may believe... that the world itself could not contain things spoken to men by God..

Nicholas DiBari

2y↑2

The gifts of the Holy Spirit are still for today but that man was speaking from himself and not the Spirit

Cool Hand Luke

3y↑5

Grace Community Church with Pastor John MacAurthor are blessing from our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ!

Super TAL

2y↑1

I don't condone this man's outburst but he right about John M. - funny how evil works.

WhoDatDere

It was a set-up. He probably works for MacArthur's church business office. No way that wasn't planned. Notice how JM turns it into a commercial for people to buy his books. MacArthurs preys on the stupid and insecure.

Stacy Starnes

2y↑2

I've been reading a bit and noticed the miracles performed in scripture have a common theme.....so that they would believe. I also have noticed that the least of the gifts is utilized more than the greatest.

R3 Shorts

3y↑206

I was sitting about 6-10 rows from the front when this happened. I remember being more than a bit concerned because he was wearing a backpack, and... well that sometimes does not end well...

Bradley B.

Lolololo!!! For a church full of heaven bound believers it would be cause for celebration.

MMJ

@Adam Quirke I didn't say he was lying about the "teachers" and if they be true or false... I said he is lying about Holy Spirit and His operation and ministry in this earth.

Adam Quirke

@MMJ there are no lies about these charismatic false teachers. They’re all true and need to recognise their errors

ThisIsGonnaBFine

You'd be wise to be more concerned about John MacArthur than a Gentleman with a backpack! Also, if God is Sovereign the way calvinism teaches, wasn't this man behavior ordained of God?

tbuitendyk

So you equate people who don't put God in a box like yourself with terrorists? That's really charitable. Just about as biblical as calling the police on the man instead of allowing him to have a meeting with Mr. M and the other leaders afterwards to hear his concern more fully.

Who's being unbiblical here?

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rashel garcia

2y↑5

Wow! We need more prophets like that that will stand up against heresy. God still speaks through the prophetic gifts and to call these gifts false is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit..

Jesus Is0urSAVi0r!

2y↑1

You go girl!💪 Fight against darkness. You got the power. In JESUS name I pray

Raquel

2y↑2

The guy being interviewed was being condescending. The gifts have not ceased. The interrupter's approach can be questioned but these cult like assemblies are so many. In that moment pray for the guy not laugh and make a joke. If someone speaks Spanish, will they not hear Yahweh's Holy Spirit in Spanish?

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