K.A.N.G. (kills all new germs) formed in 2000,in Kaunas, Lithuania. The who… Read Full Bio ↴K.A.N.G. (kills all new germs) formed in 2000,in Kaunas, Lithuania. The whole thing was initiated by two friends, who decided to play hardcore. Through these years many band members has changed, but the musical ideas remained. In 2007 K.A.N.G. released their first album called Unstoppable. There were many shows made in motherland Lithuania, also in Europe. At the moment the band is making new songs.” We follow DIY, and try to do the thing that we are the best at – playing Hardcore”.

Lineup: Mantas and Darius on the guitars, Mindaugas on the bass guitar, Vytautas on drums and Laurynas – vocal.

Don't Give Up
K.A.N.G. Lyrics

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People are dying families are crying
Some losing hope it's getting hard to cope
People are hurting nothing is certain
Only heaven can say when this all go away
Workers on the front lines some losing their lives
So much going on being told to stay home
People losing their jobs times are getting hard
Everybody is worried don't get discouraged

Father hear our cry wipe the tears from our eyes
Please restore mankind please renew our minds
People love again help your fellow man

We're gonna beat this thing and get back on our feet
Help is on the way we're gonna see better days

Overall Meaning

The song "Don't Give Up" by K.A.N.G. is a powerful message addressing the current state of the world during the COVID-19 pandemic. The opening line "people are dying, families are crying" highlights the immense loss and grief that many are experiencing. The second line, "some losing hope it's getting hard to cope" speaks to the mental health toll of the pandemic and how it is affecting individuals' ability to persevere through tough times.

The song goes on to acknowledge the various struggles faced by people during this time, from frontline workers risking their lives to those who have lost their jobs. The line "only heaven can say when this all goes away" emphasizes the uncertainty of the future and how it is out of our control. However, the following line "don't get discouraged" serves as a call to stay strong and hopeful despite the difficulties.

Line by Line Meaning

People are dying families are crying
Many people are dying and families are grieving.

Some losing hope it's getting hard to cope
Some people are losing hope and finding it difficult to deal with current circumstances.

People are hurting nothing is certain
Many people are experiencing pain and uncertainty.

Only heaven can say when this all go away
We cannot predict when things will get better, only a higher power can know that.

Workers on the front lines some losing their lives
Workers on the front lines, such as healthcare professionals, are risking their lives to help others, and some have unfortunately died as a result.

So much going on being told to stay home
There is a lot happening, and people are being advised to stay home to slow the spread of the virus.

People losing their jobs times are getting hard
Many people are losing their jobs and struggling in these difficult times.

Everybody is worried don't get discouraged
Everyone is worried, but it is important to stay hopeful and not give up.

Father hear our cry wipe the tears from our eyes
We are asking for guidance and support from a higher power to help us overcome this difficult time.

Please restore mankind please renew our minds
We are asking for a renewal of our collective mindset and a restoration of humanity.

People love again help your fellow man
We must come together as a community and help one another during this crisis.

We're gonna beat this thing and get back on our feet
We are confident that we will overcome this crisis and recover from its impact on our lives.

Help is on the way we're gonna see better days
We believe that help is coming and that brighter days are ahead.

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Written by: Harry Goodwin

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PrimalTheEmperor (primal9000)

51w

yeah
i'm surprised they don't reboot star wars at this point.
i'd rather see "villains"/antagonists going all-out, not hiding in the shadows or being sent-out on peasants' errands or whatever the fuck. If you want people to think Vader's a badass or whatever, actually go about killing people. Not just being 2nd fiddle to Palpatine or whatever. Man, I've played SWTOR and the amount of times i have to do fetchquests, gets to me. it's never just 'kill this guy,' it's 'go back and forth all day and send your master relics and shit' ngl, I think Smuggler, BH, Agent (to some extent) and Trooper (also to some extent) are betterthan both Jedi/Sith classes. Maybe that's just me having fun playing characters that can shoot people - but I'd rather see that. I don't like having an antagonist just send flocks of minions at a hero and that sorta thing. Just show yourself and stop being pussy.

tbh Vader isn't my favorite/most-liked Sith/DSer, that goes to Maul, Kylo Ren and the Sith from The Old Republic. TOR Sith, atleast to me, seem more fierce than Palpatine/Vader. W/ Palpy, he's just hiding behind Inquisitors and Dark Jedi instead of just showing himself.

Maybe we reboot Star Wars eventually. Maybe we take Palpatine and Vader and merge them into one character, a Sith Juggernaut that can also shock people that doesn't have Vaders' weakness. Being a cyborg is supposed to be cool, but SW lore fucked it up with 'oh, his breathing is painful' and all that. Why not have a huge, muscled-out dude in armor that's a bit cybernetic that can zap/force choke and use his saber. Go all-out w/ the Force and be a warrior with lightsabers instead of doing like Palpy and "hiding in the shadows."

That's kinda why Darth Malgus (atleast imo) is a better Vader than Vader, tho I will also say it feels like most Sith are just copies of Vader. Even Count Dooku, Grievous (and to some extent, Maul) felt like copies of Vader. Kylo Ren isn't even Sith, and yet, he gets it done. He even does the whole "brooding teenager" thing. I thought Sith were all about Wrath and Angst? Why not show that aspect?

SW sucks rn, because the Jedi/Sith aren't even the main focus anymore. It's now the Mandos, Clones, Rebels/Resistance, Imperial Lackeys and just about everything else. When I go to see SW, I largely want to see saber duels and force tricks. I don't care about political backgammon scheming in the shadows.

I'm of a mind that SW needs to be rebooted, instead of writing ten thousand books/novels/comics or having all these Redheaded Stepchildren of shows and saying "oh, that's all canon." Imho, if it was all Canon, it'd be on the big screen. It wouldn't be just adding random bullshit trivia or whatever. Reboot it. Merge some characters. Make everything streamlined instead of the jank we have b/c of Lucas and his ilk just randomly adding shit. If you're gonna have Boba Fett/Jango/wtf random Mando, atleast **show** them being badass instead of teasing/infering it constantly. Actually show the "badass" Bounty Hunter going around, killing people. Don't just say "oh yeah, this guy was merking folks behind-the-scenes" or make a show about Mandos and Grey Jedi after-the-fact.

WebX

50w

I think the introduction of Kang in Quantumania could have worked pretty well, actually, and still had some of the gravitas that Thanos had. And they could have done it by actually taking ADVANTAGE of the screen time.

The key change: Don't make him a villain at all.

Have another big bad altogether. Kang could even have been the guy Janet was with while she was gone, and that once they got stuck, they sought his help, and he became an indispensable ally. Take advantage of the extra screen time to build up his character as a understandable friend. Have him spend most of his time as an ally.

We already know who he is and that he is ultimately a villain. So a lot of this character development would have an almost insidious tension. You learn to love him across 3 phases, and THEN he becomes the villain.

You can even integrate the variant stuff. He was banished because he was one of the "good ones" trying to stop his other evil variants. And he serves as a warning about his bigger, badder counterparts. In his friendship with the Avengers, he helps them defeat other Kangs, perhaps. Or I don't know the full story, here, but you could introduce Iron Lad. And then give Iron Lad an arc that leads him to being the biggest, baddest of the Kangs. And that the characters would see him as filling the void that Tony left, making it harder to see the shift.

Something similar (could have) worked with Daenerys, or at least seems to be what GRRM was going for. A character you root for and learn to love, who descends into villainy, only for it to be revealed in hindsight that all the traits were there the whole time, you were just overlooking it because they were the hero. (harder to do in Kang's case, since we know he'd ultimately become a villain, so you would interpret the villainous traits right away.)

As a better example: Despite the scripting, this worked pretty well with Anakin Skywalker. You already know he's going to become a villain, but you don't know when, where, how, or why. Ultimately that was the overarching buildup of the prequel trilogy. That could have been the arc of this saga. When, how, and why does Kang become a villain? Is THIS Kang the one we need to worry about?

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channingchills

51w↑4K

With Kang, there’s no sense of finality. Because you can always say, “oh there’s just another variant that can come back” or whatever. This lessens the stakes and makes the actions of the heroes seem almost pointless.

Satan Himself

51w↑431

a good villain doesnt have to have finality. a good villain NEEDS good writing. thanos was written really well, thats why he worked. even w kang they can write him in such a way that makes his threat seem imminent no matter how many variants they kill. instead of finality, his threat should have a sense of infinity. make it seem like the battle will never end, that the unending fight w kang will be the fate of our heroes. they will tire out. they will age out. they will die. kang will win. thats what will make him a PROPER threat.

Jonny White

51w↑40

@Satan Himselfvery well said

Timrod pepega

51w↑55

Bro that's how it was in comics like coming back despite killing him most of the time. What do you expect MCU to do change the base material. That will get comic fans angry. Stop commenting this bullshit

TheMajorStranger

51w↑55

This sense of pointlessness is tied to the idea of a multiverse. How can there be stakes when you can always handwave it to another universe?

channingchills

51w↑34

@Satan Himself That’s kind of the point I was trying to make. We’ve seen him appear in 2 projects so far, and in my opinion, he hasn’t been written well. The results of a character like Kang being poorly written are what I outlined in my original comment.

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Jon Cross

51w↑1.1K

I wouldn’t say the criticism of “he doesn’t seem as powerful because he’s shown being killed” applies to Kang in Loki, since in that case he’s clearly shown to be allowing this to happen, in fact his death in that scene is very intimidating, because his death allows worse variants of him to be unleashed. However it is a massive problem in Quantumania, because a supposed big bad level threat is beaten by a C tier hero and that’s embarrassing

jojoenathan

50w↑23

Did u watch the end credit? I think thats the ooint of kang. Killing 1 is easy but hundreds? Even after that the next hundred will just pop out. How to stop things like that

Andrew Dukes

50w↑84

Yeah idk why people make it a big deal that he was defeated in Loki. It’s kind of annoying bc it’s like they didn’t pay attention. He allowed himself to be killed, plus people tend to forget that he doesn’t have any powers it’s his tech that makes him powerful

RJB TV

50w↑89

@jojoenathan It is the problem though. because a single Kang is supposed to be a Galactic conquerer. He fails at conquering some ants.

Barao Das Colinas

50w↑37

@jojoenathan like others said elsewhere in this thread, in that case it could have been done much much better executed. They could for example have 2 kangs appear in the film, 1 kang being weak and other more strong, and maybe the weak kang could be a hero with antman and sacrifice himself to defeat stronger kang (it would still be better if antman or antman senior or someone died too). that version would show the stakes much better, actually showing that : there are multiple kang with multiple levels of power, and even better there is the unknown moral quality of when a kang shows up, the avengers cant know if he is a hero or vilain or neutral. the film we actually got does a bad job at any line of story it set out to do.

Cheeky Fantasy

50w↑13

@jojoenathan ever played dynasty warriors, your wading through thousands of easy kill npcs, thats the point of that game

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Antonio Francisco Magaña Gómez

51w↑627

That's actually part of the whole problem with these late phases: every movie was a little adventure in itself, but there was always something looming in the back, something that made you feel there was an impending doom. And when it finally happened it was fantastic. Nowadays everything feels disjointed and disconnected, with no sense of what used to be special and everything feels forced to go into a direction and that destination seems to be unknown even to them.

Fahim Al Faisal

50w↑9

Every movie didn’t have that !Thats like the biggest and dumbest comment ever !LOL

Et Cogito Ergo Sum

50w↑11

lol that is the same issue the mcu had since phase 1, how people dont realize it is mind blowing. All the flaws we have seen in the latest mcu movies have always been there, they just got worse now

Rus Bogdanov

50w↑16

If anything i have the exact opposite problem. They are trying too hard to connect everything without succeeding in making a self-contained adventure of the characters

Shareef Peoples

49w↑9

Personally they should have allowed a cooling period after Thanos. Like 3 years

kirinchecker

48w↑6

Especially that noone ever mentioned that huge Hand and head growing out of the planet after Eternals. Like, what the fuck?

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mtver

50w↑106

I personally still think it was odd that Kang wasn't in Multiverse of Madness - not necessarily because the story called for him to be there but based on the title I had expected him to have at least some kind of presence in the movie, even if it was just in a post-credits scene, similar to Thanos in the first Avengers movie.

saviorselfX29

51w↑399

I’m still convinced that the Kang we met in Quantumania is The Exiled, not The Conqueror. After all, how can he be the one who rules the Time Variance Authority if Loki Season 2 if he was also the one imprisoned in the Quantum Realm?

That’s the issue of using Kang: yes, this one is gone. But he’s the failure, the one who was defeated by the Council of Kangs, not the one who will pose the true multiversal threat.

Jonathan Campbell

51w↑47

The Conqueror and The Exile are the same person, and he rules the TVA in season 2 because that takes place after the events of Quantumania in his timeline. Time-travel means a character can be in multiple places at once, after all.

The Exile is destined to become The Conqueror- that's why he was exiled in the first place and that's what he spent the whole movie planning to do once he escaped.

Lee Croft

50w↑22

I think you're looking too much in to in, i would say it all comes down to poor story telling from people that don't know what they're doing and honest don't care about the material.

Devin Kerr

50w↑14

I assumed we're seeing Kang at his lowest versions. He Who Remains had to hit in exile and watch the timeline just to make sure his variants stayed locked away, Kang in Quantumania was similarly exiled and likely wasn't operating on all cylinders, but Kang is infinite and there are always others, and if this Kang posed a threat from the QUantum Realm, I think we're being left to imagine the Kangs we have yet to meet

Saul Gallagher

50w↑1

Plus, this Kang was literally exiled to the Quantum realm lol

The Dynospectrum

50w↑6

Translation: everyone is confused and can't figure out a way shit makes sense because the writers couldn't either

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mncrft

51w↑187

I saw the post credit scene as more of a showcase how hopeless the situation is, like no matter how many times you defeat Kang he will eventually come back, and his threat level will rise gradually

Andrey Gilev

49w↑28

All Kangs there were weaker than exiled one, so there no problem at all. There were also many screaming Kangs in the arena, looking like imbeciles in the stadium. Never intimidating.

stevendchu

43w

@Andrey Gilev Yeah I don't know which genius decided that an entire arena of black guys making money noises was a good idea!

The Royal Mediator

51w↑2.2K

This also ties into one of the big issues with multiverses, that they can water down stakes if not used sparingly.

The Jazz King

51w↑41

This video just reminded me that i need to pick up my Thanos lunchbox.

Ganiscol

51w↑42

Woop! Thats exactly what I have been thinking all along. The concept of multiverses always felt like a thing of convenience. They can shuffle around the realities if they turn out to unfavorable to the franchise. Until the franchise becomes a victim of this application of convenience, because nothing really matters...

Jason Blalock

51w↑23

I'm very VERY curious how the new GotG handles the Gamora issue. I see it as a canary in the coal mine. Will they use timey-wimey bullshit to hit the reset button and get her back together with Peter by the end, like Infinity War never happened? If so, that does not bode well for the rest of Phase 5-6. But hopefully, they'll do something smarter instead.

WHITEPERSUAS1ON

51w↑15

The issue with Multiverse of madness. Everyone survived Thanos. Its not special. Our MCU is just one of many with the same plot

117MasterSpartan

51w↑8

Like death. What’s the point of death if there’s another version of that character they will just bring to the screen

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Iiskandar

50w↑63

"He who remains" was pretty amazing imo. It introduced this huge threat while still keeping a mystery, because we had 1 Loki that belived him and one that did not, so it could go either way as this new phase continued, I even thought that the idea of having multiple Kangs was a fine way to have him around because, imo, Thano barely doing anything for most of his MCU existence was actually not a good move, I stopped caring about him up until I watched infinity war, and if he wasnt as well written as he was I would've continued to not care. But like you said, the way he was handled in Quantum mania was....embarassing

themightyquyn

50w↑36

They are making Kang very pedestrian. He doesn't feel as threatening, even though Majors is playing the role very well with the material he has.

右手

51w↑97

We don't actually need more Kang but we undoubtedly need impactful Kang.

Dominique Jones

50w↑2

And we need more cow bell

Everton Porter

49w

At some point, Kang will win big time and really up the stakes.

Greedy Yawgoo

48w↑1

@Everton Porter you can’t just put your main bad buy in movie and tv show to be always defeated… people will loss hype if he always lose…

Owen Hetherington

51w↑145

I think the ants kind of represent the never ending flow of Kangs. The ants only won because there were so many of them, they chip away and chip away until they win. It’s the same with all the Kangs. 1 low level Kang, not all that hard to deal with, but Kang after Kang after Kang each going forward with new knowledge, potentially showing up at different places and times. That’s going to be harder to defeat.

Steve Odell

51w↑14

Underrepresented comment

Toyan Tha OG

50w↑2

Well said

Iiskandar

50w↑17

They are still just a bunch of ants though

Thomas Joestar

48w↑17

Symbolism doesn’t substitute for bad shitty deu ex machina. You can’t just hype up a Multiversal threat only for him to be cucked by ants in the most non believable way ever. Mfer just put up a force field and didn’t use any of the other powers he had shown in past scenes.

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DatGuy

47w↑12

I liked He Who Remains. He didn’t feel like a being trying to live on. He felt like a pretty interesting character.

Stringer

51w↑1.5K

And I love how they kept Thanos consistent, Thanos’ goal wasn’t just to mercilessly kill people. In infinity war he spared the avengers lives several times unless it was necessary (gamora & vision) and he wasn’t just evil for the sake of being evil. Kang just seems evil because and I still don’t understand his plan or why he did anything lol

Gemnist

51w↑122

At the same time though, we didn’t know he was more than a remorseless killer before Infinity War. We knew he conquered planets, committed genocide on those planets, and tortured his subjects despite seeming them his children. Very much unsympathetic before Infinity War established his motivations.

Bylan Daker

51w↑74

@GemnistAgreed, Thanos was shown as brutal until Infinity War and even in Endgame, 2014 Thanos discovers his plan worked but the people fought back after, so he immediately decided to just wipe them all out and start over. Kang has some excellent runs in the comics and I can't wait to see more of what they do with him going forward (with or without Jonathan Majors).

Cover nya Rai

51w↑28

kang the conqueror is more like a monarch, he conquer multiverse and destroy what he can't control to make his own sacred timeline while he who remains play god role make some "god's plan" to make his own sacred timeline.

Wolf Shield

51w↑11

Yup, most of us nod our head when Thanos explained the strong reason why he need to balancing, why he need to wiped out half of population.

Cause we knew, he was right.😁. And that's also how this villain character got many sympathy from the audience.

Stringer

51w

@Gemnist o yea a hundred percent. I think marvel did a great job on separating the two by giving him a clear motivation

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Nyengo Mtawali

48w↑4

Thank you! I'm glad I'm not the only one who found him underwhelming. Especially with how the Ant family defeated him with no losses

A JS

50w↑3

The biggest mistake consumers have made is mistaking the mcu phases for narrative structure as opposed to marketing strategies.

T. T.

51w↑6

I dont think its a Kang problem, its more of a multiverse problem. Multiverse makes any stakes in movies non-existant.

Michel De Bruyn

51w

Can you give a practical example of that that actually happened in a movie?

gribblegreeble

51w↑5

can't say that the Quantumania Kang was that threatening or felt like a big bad that could cause universal problems, and the film itself was just...there. it feels like with this multiverse direction, they're trying to tie everything together by giving everyone the same experience - alternate versions and slightly different realities interacting with heroes / themselves, where they discover this Kang constant. perhaps ultimately they're going realize that he's returning in different forms and that he can manipulate time by changing events and redoing it until he wins - kinda like Agent Smith reappearing endlessly to fight Neo.

on one hand I understand that having a villain that keeps coming back no matter how many times they're beaten is an existential threat, but if their only motivation is just to rule, that's fairly dull. the only way to make that work is with the idea of a sacred timeline and reigning in alternate ones for universal stability, and ruling reality itself has more to it than just dominance.

Andrea

51w↑2

The fact that a whole arena of Kangs is needed to equal a single Thanos as the major phase villain speaks volumes.

I feel like ever since Marvel started playing with the multiverse, they’ve just been drowning in a problem of their own making. It doesn’t feel like they have a direction anymore.

Vierwu

51w↑959

For a movie that featuring the big bad of the multiverse saga, his appearance in Quantumania is almost not threatening. All of the heroic characters survived the journey. At the end of the movie, it implies that Scott felt like something is wrong but then he brushed it off very quickly.

Joe Price

51w↑148

Are you kidding? One of the Avengers died in Quantumania. M.O.D.O.K

han__cholo

51w↑40

It was a metaphor for the MCU executives brushing off the fact that there have been some major problems with their movies lately

Devil's Lair Comics

51w↑61

Honestly, I saw the way that Scott kinda brushed off the eventuality that there are more versions of Kang is showing how everyone is gonna underestimate the more serious and more powerful Kang the Conqueror. Don't forget, Immortus, Rama-Tut, and Centurion all agreed that the Quantumania Kang was a rogue element, an embarrassment, and not a TRUE Kang.

james ellerby

51w↑28

So true. I really thought Kang was gonna at least kill the old Ant man. Like give him something

Player5xx

51w↑41

Not only that but this is the biggest baddest kang that all the other kangs are afraid of and needed to all work together to exile. And he lost to ants. Like my god what a poor decision why not use any of the other countless low power level kangs to lose to Ant-man?

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Luis Rey Nambo Arcos

51w↑12

I saw Kang the conqueror for the first time in the "Avengers: earth's mightiest heroes" cartoon back in the day. I remember everytime he apear it was a world ending event, he had the tecnology, the armies, the power and the drive, it was all to save his beloved, but the only way he knew was conquest, so all our heroes had to unite and fight him with everything they had, from raw force to wits, and pure look, if they ever hoped to win against him. This is the Kang I was expecting, but not the one we got.

David Martinez

51w↑3

Avengers: Earth's mightiest heroes introduced me to Kang. They made him so threatening, and different because of him being a villain that could use time travel. It's a real shame the MCU version is not as menacing.

Derek Wheeler

46w

Kang is more complex than that. The conqueror is only one aspect of the character that's kind of the point. Many of these reviewers want him to be Thanos 2.0 instead of Kang. I was pleased with this movie and how they presented him. Even depowered he was kicking Scott's ass. They beat him through dumb luck.

ELHOUNDmx

50w↑4

Agreed.

Maybe Kang the Conqueror could've played a similar role of mastermind manipulator, using other Kangs to do things for him. One of those smaller Kangs could've appeared in Quantumania.

Similar as to what Thanos did, that way building up to the great villain but leaving room for other Kangs to have an impact as well.

Don't know if/how would that tie up with comics tho

Raxxie (LaydeeRaxx)

51w↑38

I'm still optimistic that Kang the Conqueror isn't actually dead. Scott may have been alluding to it as well in his outro (hopefully). Shrinking into the core COULD be what allows him to get out of the quantum realm at will. or this could just be wishful thinking.

Doda Garcia

50w↑4

I think the ending (not to mention the post-credit) makes it plenty clear that things are off, even Scott's narration goes out of its way to point it out.

EclipsingTNT

50w

Ant-Man 3 writer Jeff Loveness even stated that he's writing Kang as the "secret protagonist" of The Kang Dynasty.

Max Ordman

50w↑13

Kang is an amazing villain. I think that he is a wonderful comic book character. Quantumania was pretty good but you have some good points as well. I would love to see more of Kang’s evil powers and I would love to see him win a fight at some point. You have some very good ideas. Thank you for sharing this with us!

xiao piao

49w↑2

No he isnt lol

nobody

49w↑6

Maybe the ant scene would have worked if maybe as he was screaming and dying by the ants he starts laughing like a maniac and looks at the main character and says something that solidifies the fact that no matter how many times you kill him he will always return

Rezgate

51w↑731

If they are going to stick to this idea that Kangs are easy to kill. They need to have a version of Kang and almost every single film leading up to Kang Dynasty. And have each hero fight against him with varying success. That way in Kang dynasty when they’re confronted with the council of Kangs it feels like an overwhelming force.

delusionalthomas__

51w↑25

good point

Julian Melchor

51w↑110

If things are going the way I’m thinking. That’s exactly what they’re going to do. Kang will be his own generals. He will be his own henchman. And he will be the big bad. Every Kang we see till the final movies will just be cannon fodder for the real Endgame Kang. His super power isn’t that he’s always dying. It’s that every time you kill one there’s another to take his place. A never ending fight against the same bad guy over and over and over again till you can’t take it anymore.

Thomas B

51w↑72

@Julian Melchor it sounds like a worse version of Dormamu I've come to bargain

Mariano Yuba

51w↑23

A council of Kangs? Or.....a Kangcil?

David Martinez

51w↑8

@Thomas B except there's no Infinity stone to make it interesting

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fern

50w↑1

I liked how they set up Kang via He Who Remains, as a more mentally intimidating villain. I wish they had He Who Remains in Loki as the big "reveal," and lightly teased Kang for a while like they did with Thanos before his official debut in a more major film than Ant-Man and the Wasp 3

martiezboy

51w↑5

I cna see why the character may have issues going forward but I really liked major's acting in quantum mania. I'd really like to see more kang

alarcon99

51w↑1

I like Kang’s (Major’s) charisma that makes him appear very threatening when he’s on camera. That being said Wanda was way scarier when she imploded that dude’s head.

Markus Hirschmann

48w↑2

5:44 Thing is, Kang WASN'T capable of shooting lasers anymore because his armor was in pieces.

BN K

51w↑2

A good villain is only defeated once (excluding reboots). It shows that the characters all take the stakes seriously. When the story repeats with the same villain being defeated in the same arc, the endings holds less meaning.
Kang needs to have his own minions or needs to win more in these solo movies.

Moma's Lil Boy

51w↑139

Disney's Kang loves to talk how powerful and clever he is, but not only they don't show him being bad, but he also gets beaten every show he's in.

B.

51w↑12

Only in MCU he could have lost to Ant-Man smh They're fucking up one of the best Marvel villains so bad it's not funny anymore.

David Martinez

51w↑5

@B. He was great in Avengers Earth's mightiest heroes.

Jeff Bruce

46w

@B.he whooped ant mans ass. Pim beat him with the ants lol

AppleStuff

43w

@B. Ant-Man once bodied Dr Doom because he killed his daughter, if anything this is accurate. People are just not ready to accept that Ant-Man is legit one of the most broken heroes in the setting because he is silly

diogo vale

47w

This is exactly what I felt with quantumania but had a hard time to express, the fragil nature against the protagonists but trying to make him invincible against every one else just look weird and wasn't well accomplished. Great video

Clayton L

51w↑20

The problem is that certain concepts can't be grasped in spite of fan expectations. The Kang in Quantumania was meant to be powerful, but he was never guaranteed to be the big fish in this narrative. The next variant could easily be so powerful that he actually could decimate entire universes at the snap of a finger, but the fans have convinced themselves that if we're not introduced to THAT version of the villain immediately, anything else is either too low-stakes to matter or an outright cop out rather than serial escalation by continually showing stronger variants.

Darío Zepeda Galván

50w↑2

But Marvel could have easily fix that, if they didn't show us a Kang that is comic book accurately, they could have gone with Inmortus, or Rama-Tut as this movie's villains, and then, all of us could have easily grasped this wasn't the final boss Kang.

Slightly Artsy

47w

Serial escalation doesn't matter if we know he's going to get beaten in every single movie

Clayton L

47w

@Slightly Artsy your comment proves my point. It's the equivalent of saying "why consume any superhero media at all if I go in expecting good to defeat evil no matter the stakes?"

Rebecca Rich

51w↑14

Maybe the idea is that Kang is somewhat powerful by himself, but with a bunch of variants all together they can’t be stopped

bond0815

50w↑2

The problem is that literally applies to every hero or villain. I mean imagine 10 Thanos working together?

Rebecca Rich

50w↑1

@bond0815 yeah fair, though I think the idea with Kang is that he's the only one who's really figured out how to use the multiverse to his advantage (not to say that others couldn't)

Derek Wheeler

46w

In the comics that's heavily the idea. He's beaten all the time in the comics but he can come back and refight the same battles winning the next time creating timelines where he wins.

Ben Vegter

49w

I am SO glad you mentioned the EXILES!!! I think that if Marvel were to make a TV show about the Exiles and a cohesive trip around the multiverse, it could be the best thing explored out of all of the superhero genre, if done correctly

NoBudjetFilms

47w↑1

The ants in Quantumania came from that movie. Hank was having them help him develop some sciency stuff at the start of the movie, and they got sucked into the Quantum tunnel along with everyone else but wound up in a different pocket of the Quantum realm where time moved faster than what the rest of the characters were experiencing.

Look, I know it wasn't the best movie, but if you just pay attention it is all right there.

Youtube is Censoring My Comments

51w↑445

The main issue is we have the schedule. We KNOW because of the titles of movie titles st we know Kang should be this all powerful evil. I think if we just thought he was some generic one off villian and keeps showing up and more powerful it would feel more natural. It's just us wanting to see the end we aren't enjoying the development of the story

Itovenaar

51w↑21

Good point but the movie goes against this idea with him destroying worlds and such.

WhoIam IamNot

51w↑54

This has long been one of my main issues with the MCU. We know what movies are coming. We know an actor is signed on to do say eight movies. So when they tease that a character might die in a movie we know not to buy it. Either they won't die or they'll be revived caused they are contracted to do however many more movies.
Personally it's starting to make most of the Marvel stuff skip able.

zero

51w↑20

What they could of did was started off kang weak, give him some development, then make him into a powerful character. But his first appearance he should still do something that shows how powerful he can be.

BigPurp

51w↑17

Honestly reading all of these comments makes me feel valid for not watching trailers or keeping up with mcu news since about phase 3. I’ve gone into most films blind since Ragnarok and I’ve enjoyed them more for it

117MasterSpartan

51w↑9

That’s really dumb the last sentence. Because that didn’t apply to the first three phases. We all enjoyed the build up to thanos. The reason kang sucks is because the MCU is a cluster mess. Who’s the avengers now? Echo, shuri, she hulk, Ironheart, Hawkeyes sidekick, daredevil, doctor strange, against kang. …

Wow, what a complete mess

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Jacob Wright

51w↑3

As someone who spent over a decade being annoyed by the non-stop proliferation of superhero movies, it was seeing Thanos in the trailer to Infinity that piqued my interest and brought me around. Full disclosure: Ragnarok played a part in that as well.

Spextre Kid

50w

The ants are actually the ants from the farm we see that Cassie has been working on with her grandfather in the first act of the film. There's actually a shot of that pane of glass with the ants in them as they are sucked into the quantum realm that you use in your clip. That's the ant farm. It's a very quick setup and a very quick frame where you can see it, but it is supposedly those specific ants.

Fourmath

50w↑5

I love how complex he is. So morally grey. People say that he's pure evil, but he's not. He's just a man who believes that the means justify the end. Like Thanos, he is a hero of his own story. Unfortunately he is jaded by his past, and burdened by knowing the future. He wants to save the multiverse and everyone in it. but it requires doing things that he regrets

choom

48w

I think Kang dying is what makes him a scary villain. He can keep dying and just come back and you'll never know what the next Kang will be like, better or worse.

Jlopez240 Gaming

50w

We should honestly have a version of Kang who at the end of his ropes Decides that being separated won’t stop the hero’s so he absorbs all the thousand different versions of Kang making him an absolute menace but also vulnerable since he is extremely powerful but down to one.

ShadowStaarr

51w↑287

There are a lot of strong points made, but was it really hard to remember that the super evolved ants were the ones introduced in the first act that got brought down to the Quantum Realm with the rest of the cast?

Mann Aryamann Singh Rathore

51w↑45

This really proves he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Launchpad

51w↑82

That still does not explain how a version of Kang who was shown fighting entire armies and wiping whole TIMELINES away, gets defeated by a bunch of "Time warped" ants with super intelligence. They flat out say the man beat a version of the avengers... So by proxy now these ants are stronger than the avengers since they folded Kang right?

Mills

51w↑12

@Launchpad I think that can be explained with the type of civilization the ants became. From the looks of it they became advanced to the point of having tech on par with or superior then Kangs but that’s the only way I think it could’ve made sense

J Biron

51w↑37

@Mills If that's true then by the time Kang Dynasty happens they should be the ones on the front lines fighting the Kang's. See that's a huge problem going forward since there civilization should continue to evolve. However there either going to be ignored or hand waved aside when shit hits the fan. Those ant's should have never been in the movie and Kang should have been defeated at a cost. Michael Douglas is on record of wanting out so have Hank should have sacrificed himself to take out Kang. Those two changes fixes a lot of the problems Kang has.

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Bruce Stark

47w

I think the Kang in the Quantum realm didn’t have all of his tools at his disposal. Like pulling weapons from the multiverse. He was very limited in Quantumania.

HannibalofCarthage

46w

Personally I quite enjoyed Quantumania, and have very much liked Kang so far in both of his appearances. In my mind Scott survived Kang and got really lucky, he didn't beat him.

Jmadigan934

51w↑2

Great video overall, and a lot of valid points. Going to try to add/provide some perspective as a comics fan first, MCU fan second. Something that few, if any, superhero movies/shows have gotten right is the relative mundanity of supervillain attacks. Not every supervillain incident is going to be end of the world with enormous stakes. Due to how a single movie or film operates, we tend not to see these less significant encounters, but they are a huge part of the shared world of the comics. The closest film example I can think of the Rhino fight from ASM2(which has its own issues with villain saturation). Rhino is not a big bad, but is the sort of thing of thing Peter would deal with on an almost daily basis. Video games have done this somewhat successfully, with certain villains relegated to “side” missions rather than the central narrative. I realize narrative techniques that work in one medium don’t always translate to another, but that sense of scale is sometimes missing from the MCU. Similarly, even if these “mundane” events happened offscreen, they’re rarely referenced. It’s likely these sorts of overlapping or even anecdotal narratives wouldn’t work in film, but they do work in comics. Let’s say there are a years worth of encounters with variants of Kang across multiple titles, leading up to a crossover event, not unlike the movies. If every encounter with Kang is life or death, the crossover isn’t as special. Some variants are inherently less important/powerful than others. Even Thanos is not always a high stakes opponent(Thanoscopter?). While it’s possible this is Marvel resting on its laurels, it’s also possible they’re taking another page from a successful comics strategy. Or even that Kang is “taking a dive” so to speak to lull the Avengers into a false sense of security. Failing that, perhaps Kang knew that certain variants had to be sacrificed to arrive at a timeline where is successful, or more successful than he would otherwise be. Thanos’ strength was mainly physical, but Kang’s can be mental. He’s had thousands of years to plan, across hundreds of timelines. On top of that, instilling an “all Kangs are bad” motif makes the assumed Iron Lad plot line even better.

Lego Obi-Wan Kenobi

48w

I think there is potential. The very fact that the heroes just can't permanently get rid of him could prove very interesting.

Sprax

51w↑2

I think Kang’s defeat is very plausible, in the MCU it’s being established that he is an emotionally unstable man to the extreme. One that loses focuses because of his emotions.

Simo

51w↑152

Despite the recent controversy of Jonathan Mayors, his performance and villain in Antman 3 remain the best part of that movie, a bad movie saved by his presence

Stringer

51w↑15

I can only imagine how bad that movie would have been without him lol

Latinblu1

51w↑3

The ants were sent there in the very same film, did you even bother to watch it before you came to your conclusions

Big Guy617

51w

It is Majors and he is being recasted anyway.

bryce mcbride

51w↑17

he didn't save it tho. it was still a bad movie

Tim Cortesi

51w↑9

@Latinblu1 Yeah they explained it in a 10 second Michael Douglas voice over that the ants went through some sort of time dilation whatever and became a type 2 civilization off screen. It strikes me as one of those last minute edits that they added because test audiences didn't have any idea what was going on or how the ants got there and where all their advanced technology came from.

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David Martinez

51w↑2

What I would have done is have a truly evil Kang coming across an incursion and replicating the results with his super tech to get rid of opposition. Getting the attention of the Beyonders, who cause natural incursions to happen. We find out a lot of this through a good version of Kang who wants to stop evil Kang with the help of our heroes. Leading to a final confrontation that also involves the Beyonders. The Beyonders are the ones who erase all Kangs from existence because they are simply too dangerous.

Carnel

50w

Thank you! This was always going to be the problem with going forward with Kang ever since I watched the Loki finale. I'm just glad someone took the time to formulate a coherent summery better than I was capable of making.

Dakillmonger

51w

The actor did an amazing job, these writers MUST be on the level. The character is amazing because it could go so many awesome ways but they chose none😂😂

Aaron W.

50w↑4

I always am confused that no one seen the movie set up that the ants fell through the quantum realm when the 4 main characters got pulled in. Hank also would react to the ants trying to communicate with him through his ear piece subtly through the whole movie. That’s the reason why I was alright with the ants coming back and saving the day cause they actually set it up if you paid attention to the subtle details

Tom Wills

50w

I feel that the MCU should’ve focused on 5 versions of Kang from the comics each being the same guy but at different ages ( Iron Lad, Rama Tut, Scarlet Centurion, Kang and Immortus) and have them be established as the main impactful ones during phases 4 and 5 through projects like Loki, multiverse of madness, Quantumania, Young Avengers etc then doing the big council of kangs during Phase 6.

The Royal Mediator

51w↑101

Marvel should've introduced the Fantastic Four ASAP, and introduced Doctor Doom as someone who had a big plan coming that eventually affect everyone.

Westend Lolo

51w↑2

I think he prob show up in secret wars

The Royal Mediator

51w↑16

@Westend Lolo I think he should've shown up way sooner, though. I think the MCU would've benefitted GREATLY by kicking off Phase 4 with the X-Men or the Fantastic Four and using one of those team's biggest villains (Doom over Magneto) as an ongoing threat.

Westend Lolo

51w↑3

@The Royal Mediator honestly I love marvel and I loved the MCU movies haven't really been watching them tbh if they ever plan on doing avengers vs X-Men that's when I'll start watching again or when fantastic four is introduced

The Royal Mediator

51w↑7

@Westend Lolo I agree. I've only watched Spidey NWH since Endgame. I think Marvel underestimated how many people were ready to get off the MCU train by Endgame (although lackluster projects CERTAINLY didn't help). X-Men and Fantastic Four were the big draws that they had going forward, and they inexplicably have provided LITTLE to no info on them.

David Martinez

51w↑10

They wasted Mads Mikkleson in Dr. Strange. He would have made a good Dr. Doom

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Devon Welch

50w

I think one of the reasons Thanos was such a good villain and why Endgame was so well received is because he could only be defeated through sacrifice. You know if the Avengers are to win then one or more of them have to die. It’s not about if they’re going to win, but what they have to sacrifice to win.

MrJ

51w

I actually think he was handled really well in Loki but awfully in Antman

Snowpoint

50w

for all we know, the "Death" in Quantumania was just the radioactive-spider that makes that version of Kang different from all the others.

Isaias Cardoso

51w↑4

The problem too is that we've seen him get beaten twice by very underpowered characters. I mean he technically found a roundabout way of winning if you consider each time a kang died, more issues started but had he defeated at least one of his opponents, it would have meant more

Vydex

49w

To me Kang seems Really scary for 3 reasons
1. He doesnt seem to have a specific goal in mind except to just kill for fun which is really crazy
2. He has a badass pose while sitting
3. He killed one of the best and most important Avengers!

sammcoin

51w↑45

I have the same feeling with Darth Vader tbh, i feel like the mystery of him and how powerful he was made it so much more terrifying (especially since we’ve rarely seen him in action until the disney days) and that showing him more like Disney keeps doing is only gonna ruin that feeling. like the Obi Wan fight scene was cool but Vader is finally fighting the man he hates who put him in the suit and has been out of touch with the force for years while he’s been growing increasingly stronger and somehow they want us to believe Vader wouldn’t have ended it there and then?!?!there is no way in hell George Lucas would let that happen and i fear that Stan Lee wouldn’t want this to happen either

117MasterSpartan

51w↑4

Your confusing bad writing with showing a character… he showed up in rogue one and is amazing. He shows up in kenobi alongside a character called reva who gets stabbed at 5, survives, then again and survives, and blames kenobi for leaving the Jedi temple like how can you be so unintelligent he was ending the war, he could have said that but no. And an 8 year old girl outrunning 3 grown men. So…

PrimalTheEmperor (primal9000)

51w

OsSas3

50w

Stan Lee what? He was not even good at his job. He was carried by almost everyone he worked with. His take on DC heroes and latest works proved how average he was.

Abraham 2

50w↑1

Even worse, they made him a complete idiot who is not able to successfully follow two ships at a time being on a f***ing star destroyer. And remember the scene where he suddenly kills some random dude out of nowhere for absolutely no reason? I dont know, he felt more like a joke to me.

RoboFist's Revenge

48w

Okay I don't like what Disney's been doing with Star Wars, but you can't blame them for ruining the mystery and terror of Vader when George Lucas himself literally wrote the prequels lol

Dark

50w

I think an easy way to solve this is to have a Kang randomly appear and kill all other Kangs the heroes struggled with. Establishing himself as THE Conqueror, and maybe even killing an Avenger in the process.

Rem Mossey

51w↑65

I just want to point out a few small things: First, Kang is capable of firing death inducing lasers from his hands while he has his suit. Without that supersuit he's just a man, hence why he is taking shelter in the cave with Janet in the beginning until the chair is powered up. The ants are the ones who actually disarm him after Darren/Modok disables his shield. Second, we don't actually see him die in the end of this movie. Yes he's defeated, but based on what we've seen about the quantim realm, he was probably just transported to a deeper layer and not actually dead. Also, the ants are transported with them in the beginning - that's pretty clear. Say what you will about the rules of the quantum realm, but it's not that huge of a leap to say they evolved in a time warp imo. The whole movie Kang is saying Antman isn't enough, he's not Thor, all he does is talk to ants - and then the ants are instrumental in his defeat. I get that it's not shakespeare but it is somewhat poetic.

The Dynospectrum

50w↑3

Super ultimate ultra evolved Kang. This one has destroyed quintillions of dimensions and timelines. We just might be doomed this time.

Suddenly a bunch of random Roly Poly's show up.

Kang: Noooo I'm being defeated

King blue axolotl

48w↑5

@The Dynospectrumwhat

Rachit Gupta

50w

isnt kang always reckless and getting killed, its just that he never stays dead

but i agree, even if kang is reckless, he always comes back to make a change, to make sure history goes the way he wants it to

Skarpo

50w

I really expected Kang to somehow escape, maybe the other Kangs could have found him and killed him, that way they'd have shown that even though this one was super powerful, there were even more powerful Kangs out there

Erick V

51w↑1

Looking back at The post credit scene to me it looks like kang won. It seems like Scott is stuck in a loop and there are more and more people wearing a combination of purple and green. Even the cake Scott got was green.

Felix SR

51w↑44

THIS! Perfectly described how I'm feeling about where the MCU is heading. Thanks for the awesome work :)

Jeff NME

50w

Isn't Kang a stock-standard human who's power comes from his highly advanced suit (and other advanced technology, like his time machine)?
Later in 'Quantumania' we can see that the suit is shredded off his arms, so no death-dealing energy blasts from his (now destroyed) gloves.

Charlie

51w↑1

the only thing i can think of is that there is some kind of kang based authority that only lets out the weakest kang's and holds the strongest for their bidding.

Erick R. Novoa

51w↑2

Ooof! This was brutally on point. Hope the path gets corrected soon.

Mixed Bag Clips

50w

The problem with Kang is the same as with Thanos in Endgame, he wasn't exactly the same person, so it loses impact, because it's just another variant, but not really the same individual which our heroes have already faced and it loses that emotional connection.

Ryan Hancock

51w↑21

We don’t know that Kang was defeated by Scott, the ending seemed too perfect like Scott’s mind is trapped somewhere

Union Pacific

49w↑4

The only thing that could save Kang is that in the avengers film is revelealed he actually defeat the heroes but he brainwashed them in believing he was defeated as part of his plan

Greedy Yawgoo

48w↑5

What is this episodic anime or a tv show? Tricking people “Opps sorry people, he ain’t dead”…
Remember the backlash of Glen fake death in the walking dead…
If he survive, then show it…. U don’t let the people wait for 2 years to know if he survives or not

Alex

51w↑73

In the climatic battle between Kang and Scott and Hope scene, Kang never “forgets” to use his lasers on them. He simply can’t do it because his armour has clearly been shredded by the giant super-smart ants. Kang using his lasers in that scene makes as much sense as Thanos giving up his quest once Wanda destroys the Mind Stone

Lenox W

51w↑7

Who says they wouldn't work?
And how is it that ants trampling him destroys his super advanced, multiversal suit?
It just plot convenience

Alex

51w↑15

@Lenox W When the ants break through Kang’s force field, grab him and drag him off-screen then he later shows up alive but with damaged armour and doesn’t use his lasers… to me that clearly implies he can’t because of the damage. But yes still a plot convenient outcome because of the deus ex ants

Eli

51w↑11

I think the worst part is that he is seen to have the reflexes to easily react to the shrink combat that ant man uses but he never actually capitalizes on this. Also, just for plot convenience he keeps Cassy alive for literally no reason. He clearly states that he doesn’t care about killing them since he genocided dozens of races before but decides to keep this random as girl alive. Bruh

Eli

51w↑1

Preddy Shite

51w↑7

@Alex He tried to use them, but they kept "shorting" out. Everyone saying Kang is weak is capping.

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Spiral Road

50w↑1

Current MCU also lacks a hero/villain dynamic. Tony’s PTSD and fear of an alien invasion kept Thanos relevant even before Infinity War. When Tony says, “Thanos has been in my head for 6 years” (real time), it ties all his actions in every phase together. Panic attacks, making Ultron, the Sokovia Accords, etc. The audience in real life is waiting for Thanos, and Tony Stark our main character is dreading it.

Cubist

50w

They need to find a way to somehow tie all these Kangs back to one central Kang - who we'll see the backstory on and will have a reason to be the most feared. My guess is that we're just going to see the weaker Kangs before Fantastic Four - which will probably be when we see the first appearance (probably post-credit) of the 'main Kang' - who will likely be tied to Mr. Fantastic somehow.

Michael Brennock

48w

One wonders where they could take the story of Kang? He's already been defeated - though getting sucked into his reactor is as safe a death as possible.
I'm more curious about He Who Remains.We've seen him play God via the TVA until he just didn't want to do it anymore. One wonders how much he really knew when he brought Loki and Sylvie to his office to ostensibly take over for him.

Kyren Lee

51w

There's actually a lot of room for the Exile/Conqueror Kang to play a Loki-like role in the story, where he forms an uneasy alliance with the heroes to take down the council. He could even get killed by a stronger Kang just like Loki got killed by Thanos to set up that Kang as the more threatening villain. Remember that Loki was also defeated several times in his first two appearances, and then becomes an untrustworthy ally in later movies

Paul Comauex

51w

My theory is that Kang will become closer to his comic self due to being in the probability core. I believe that will allow him to clone himself and win the multiversal war with the other kangs. Maybe he’ll gain the ability to time travel through one timeline, maybe he won’t. Just a theory though.

Just a Dude

51w↑93

The way I saw it when they showed the council of Kangs, rather than thinking “oh they’re just gonna show a variant kn each movie that will get defeated, rinse and repeat” it’s more like “it doesn’t matter how many times you put him down, he will ALWAYS come back”

And while I understand having him defeated by a bunch of ants definitely lowers his threat level, Im predicting a type of increasing difficulty with each variant. Like it will take MORE To take him down every time, more losses, bigger impacts. Until we eventually get the kang that figured out how to remove the avengers from the timelines and lead us into the kang dynasty and secret wars

Obviously there’s the elephant in the room that is the allegations towards the actor that plays him. I’m honestly curious to see how they get around this.

Slothptimal

51w↑21

The entire MCU Phase is a training montage for Kang? Interesting take, I like it. Some kind of perspective to show growth.

Michael Riverside

51w↑3

And how long is that gonna take, counting at least the announced series and movies from here to the next Avengers movie?

No, seriously, it's just too much when compared to the movie-exclusive Infinity Saga and there have been way more stinkers very early on in the Multiverse Saga to trust this "Mystery Box" format of guessing Kang's next critical appearance...

I'm definitely Marvel'ing out after Guardians 3, James Gunn's vision for the DCU sounds way more enticing than MCU's future output.

Phantom

51w↑7

Sure. But it's the same guy. We'll get bored long before he is finally a strong enough threat to surpass Thanos.

addex 123

51w↑7

That's still pretty lame like oh no there's not just one completely disposable villain that Disney can pull out so that they don't have to make another villain there's infinity like that still isn't imposing if he's treated like a non issue which is fine because at this point why are you even still watching these movies like there shit the shows are shit it's schedule is shit sans Deadpool 3 which really doesn't count when you think about it maybe Guardians 3 will be good but yah that will be the last good one

J Biron

51w↑5

That's kind of how he is in the comics and for the most part it's not interesting. Plus there's an infinite number of hero's to. We have seen this in Loki and Multiverse of Madness. We even have hero's like Loki, Dr. Strange, Scarlet Witch, and America Chavez who can pull the same Kang trick and bring them over. That's not even mentioning the Council of Reeds that will probably make an entrance after Fantastic Four.

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TheKingOfSomething01

51w

I think the main issue is that without the original Avengers to carry the MCU like with the phase 1-3. They have to somehow carry the phases without them relying on Kang rather than the heroes. The heroes left need time to develop and can't shoehorn them into every movie/show unlike Kang

Jerome Alday

51w

I definitely felt like they're going to kill Ant-Man or trapped him in Quantum Realm. But they didnt want to let go of him just yet because the new characters from phase 4 arent well received. So they rewrote the ending

Syrindigo

50w

I see what you’re saying for the most part… but the post credits for antman I thought was terrifying,,, like it took the whole movie to best one Kang that kinda went rogue and was insanely powerful,,, and then they show us a whole room of them.., that was some terror level build up for me. Like they’re so different but also all so powerful and maybe insane. I’m very excited for this phase personally.

Alefunzo Uzzle

49w

I like Kang, but I want to see more if the High Evolutionary. He was so damn scary every time he was on the screen. Pure evil that enjoyed what he did. Great villain that deserves more movies.

MrTVintro

47w

What we've seen so far is a Kang that let himself be defeated. Though I wouldn't even call it a defeat. And a Kang who was heavily restricted in his power.
The looming threat is that council of Kangs in the end credits. Its Rama-Tut, Immortus and Victor Timely.

Edward Kenway

51w↑9

Kang being introduced in Loki was a mistake, its like Thanos being introduced in Agents of Shield it just lacks the impact of being a bid bad.

Karriem DeVaughn

51w

Only because you know how much of a threat he's supposed to be. You gotta think about the casual viewers one major complaint I would here about Thanos was who is he how can he beat the hulk what is he after. There trying to actually flesh the villain out this time.

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Scribbling Joe

51w↑2

They did the same thing in the comics Kang was kind of a joke character that was easily defeated but every time he was defeated his next variant comes back stronger. Kang isn’t actually very powerful his power comes from the fact that there are infinite variations of him. Also he was in the Quantum realm which severely crippled his power. Also the ants were mentioned and revealed by Dr. Pim around the beginning of the movie.

I do agree they should’ve focused more on character development since the villain was such a letdown. Also they could’ve been more consistent with his powers. Maybe he could’ve cause more devastation before the ants overtook him. Btw ants are pretty much that brutal in the animal kingdom. What I didn’t understand was how the ants got through his energy shield. That part didn’t make a ton of sense to me.

Luca Bertolotto

50w↑1

Ants are badass

WebX

50w

Tamara Reid

50w

I’m so glad you made this video! Very few people understood my annoyance at this film 😭

Amanda De Araujo

49w

It’s just sad, I really want to like phase 5 but it’s proving to be a difficult task

Gilbranton Grevable

51w

The absolute worst part about kang anyway, is they don't really have to care about getting kang right. Eventually they will stumble into a kang that the audience likes. It's just disappointing

Antonio Campos

51w↑15

What if Kang is being shown as the big bad when he actually isn’t? What if they were using his appearances as a smokescreen to someone or something else?

Man In The Trenchcoat

51w↑7

DOOOOOOM!

General Graveous

50w↑2

@Man In The Trenchcoat It's more likely to be the Beyonders, I doubt they'll give Doom the chance to make Battleworld when apparently he will barely, if even, be featured in the new F4 movie

healthiswealth

50w↑1

Let's hope

Antonio Campos

50w↑1

@healthiswealth Mephisto still on the table as well

Kebbin

50w↑2

My thoughts exactly. He's just a red herring. They're going to have a worse villain come in and kill Kang at the end of the Kang's Dynasty part one. How else could they match or outdo the shock of the Thanos Snap? They basically spell out exactly how Modok is going to return as Modok Superior and, since they didnt show it happen in a post credit scene, my money's on it being him. "The Avengers Will Return in....The Modok Dynasty"

condutchak

51w

What could have worked is if you have multiple Kangs but it's established that there is one that's clearly in charge. Then you could play with different characterizations while still having a build up to one big bad.

SGC Photographs

51w

I think it could've worked if each time they defeat a Kang variant, they lose something or someone major. That way it feels less like a bunch of losers and feels more like an exhausting, never-ending war of attrition.

In Ant Man 3, for example, I think Cassie and Lang should've been the only ones to survive the battle with Kang. And more importantly, I think one of the post-credit scenes should've pointed out that Kang being trapped in the multiversal power corps only made him more powerful or lead to the discovery of a new weapon he'll use in the upcoming films.

I also think we should've been seeing him pop up in a lot more material for this idea to work.

Julian Melchor

51w↑5

Kang will be his own generals. He will be his own henchman. And he will be the big bad. Every Kang we see till the final movies will just be cannon fodder for the real Endgame Kang. His super power isn’t that he’s always dying. It’s that every time you kill one there’s another to take his place. A never ending fight against the same bad guy over and over and over again till you can’t take it anymore.

AC C

49w

Ultron did this. It’s boring

AlmostRelatable

49w

But is it interesting? The problem with this is that is just seems like by the third time we see Kang get his shit rocked, we’ll be bored. Even IF they switch things up

imaginefun

50w↑1

The super intelligent ants got sent in to the quantum realm in the beginning of this movie when all the others got sent in. There was this little line between Cassie and Scott I think, where she explains that the ants were able to create their own technology or something.

DaBeerds Gamer

51w

Something to consider: maybe the Kang we saw in Quantumania wasn't all powerful...yet. Maybe being sucked into the time drive gives him the power boost he needs to fulfill what Janet Van Dyne saw; in "stopping" Kang the Ant Gang just made things worse.

Zorro3k6

51w↑12

Interesting look at Kang and not something I considered before. When I first watched the movie I actually was excited for Kang to show up and honestly by the end was still excited to see the Avengers go up against him because of one simple thing. The variants. Yes two versions of Kang have now either died or been defeated, but that doesn't mean every Kang will be. The idea of a variant means there can be a Kang that is maybe more powerful than the other ones. Perhaps one that has a different skill set or took martial arts training at one point. What I'm saying is the possibilities are endless really. Furthermore because Kang is a multiversal threat, that also means he will return in some capacity and can never really be defeated. Which is why I'm excited for the Avengers films coming up. That said though, I was disappointed that he was defeated in Ant-Man 3. I would have preferred the rumored, if not confirm, original ending to the film where Scott and Hope are trapped in the Quantum Realm and Kang does escape. Oh also, the ants got sucked into the Quantum realm at the beginning of the film.

Karriem DeVaughn

51w↑2

Finally some one gets it

austinmj64

50w

I'm remaining under my firm belief that the overarching villain leading up to secret wars should've been Victor Von Doom in his quest for power with knowledge of the incursions and the end of everything at the hands of the beyonders. With the cracks in reality also playing a factor into other universal threats intruding such as Annihilus and the Annihilation wave and evil Mar-Vell and the many angled ones before Secret Wars.

ninaxwings

50w

If they’re smart they’ll use the casting controversy to their advantage and cast a different star as kang in every movie and make them wildly different. Maybe he shows up as a variant of different avengers in one movie or over the course of several. Could you imagine if they went to another world where they think black widow is still alive, but really she’s a Kang variant ?

Tygr Corgi

51w↑1

They need to add some kind of limiter, if you use something to mucb something bad happens. They have already written this story with The Watcher and Ultron in the animated stint a few years back.

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