Piano Sonata No. 20 in G Op. 49 No. 2: I. Allegro ma non troppo
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Elaine Blackhurst

LJ Madrigal Music
Whilst the two sonatas Opus 49 normally appear on the list of Beethoven’s 32 piano sonatas, to include these very odd, trite and facile works is not accepted universally; Opus 49 No 2 in particular is very, very thin.

Incredibly, they were written after the ground-breaking Opus 1 trios and Opus 2 sonatas and just before Opus 7, but you would never guess that from their perfunctory content.

The inclusion of Opus 49 amongst the ‘complete’ sonatas is neither justified nor what Beethoven intended.

The Opus 49 sonatas were published without Beethoven’s permission by his brother; he told his former pupil, friend and biographer, Ferdinand Ries, that they were ‘trivial’ and ‘...not worthy of his name’, and ‘...did not want them published’.

Beethoven was adamant that he only wanted opus numbers giving to his serious compositions - not trivia; he excluded many of his early piano variations for example which were largely written as vehicles to show off his keyboard skills and prowess as entertainment in the aristocratic salons of Vienna.
Beethoven’s clearly expressed wish was that Opus 49 did not qualify for an opus number.

Opus 49 is better considered outside Beethoven’s canon of piano sonatas along with the three juvenile sonatas WoO 47 written in 1783, and it should be noted too that Opus 49 are usually excluded from audition and competition lists in almost every reputable music institution all over the world.

However, you are quite right, Opus 49 No 2 is by far the easiest of the ‘32’ sonatas; unfortunately, it is also by far the most empty and uncharacteristic - it is not real Beethoven.



Nichael Cramer

@Elaine Blackhurst : In a word, No.

Any and all composers have their influences, which is clear from any minimally serious examination of their work

It is certainly true that (if they are any good) the composer will transcend these influences when forming their own work. But just as the works of Beethoven shows clear signs of his having been influenced by Mozart and Haydn (as well as, say, his teacher Salieri, and —most notably in his late works— Bach) so their work, in their turn, show signs of the earlier influences in their own work (and just as the influence of Beethoven is clear in the work of the composers who followed him).

(Also, as a side note I’ll simply point out that —had you bothered to read what I had actually written— you’ll see I said nothing about the order of the compositions. The reference to the Opus numbers was simply to avoid the (common) misunderstanding that these are relatively later works. My apologies if this confused you.)

Finally, if I might make a small suggestion, that while I understand that this is the Internet, nonetheless it is still a good practice to actually learn something about a topic before lecturing others about it. Snark and rudeness are no substitute.



Elaine Blackhurst

Thanks for your reply, though for what it is worth, I agree with almost none of it.

I believe ‘influence’ to be as much over-used as it is mis-used; composers absorbed and assimilated external influences to different degrees into their own style.
This is particularly true of composers of the stature of Beethoven; you mentioned Bach, there is almost no Bach ‘influence’ in late-Beethoven (nor in late-Mozart either), but there is clear evidence of a lifetime’s study of the composer - he had been well dosed with the ‘48’ in Bonn even before he got to Vienna.

Salieri - and Haydn too - as Beethoven’s ‘teacher’ left unqualified is misleading; those lessons were entirely devoted to studying Italian vocal music - ie opera - and little else; ditto Haydn where the lessons were focused on Fux-ian counterpoint; to simply quote either of these two as ‘teachers’ is inaccurate.

I simply cannot understand your penultimate paragraph as you clearly wrote in your original reply:
‘…the second movement minuet is directly lifted from Beethoven’s early Septet Opus 20’.
It wasn’t; it is clearly pure disinformation which I corrected (the Opus 49 No 2 piano sonata version came first).

I cannot understand why you have responded as you have, claiming you didn’t say what you did say, and accusing me of not reading your comment properly, which I clearly did.

I only ever comment on matters I am qualified to offer an opinion, and this is clear to anyone who reads my contributions; I agree that there is no room for ‘…snark and rudeness’ and that is never my intention, though how others perceive my comments is out of my control.



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Exposition:

Hauptsatz: 1. Thema (Hauptthema) in der Tonika: 0:00

Beginn der Überleitung: 0:18 (Wiederholung: 1:42)

Seitensatz: 2. Thema (Seitenthema) in der Dominante: 0:32 (1:56)

Seitensatz: Schlussgruppe, Bestätigung der Dominante: 0:57 (2:21)

Durchführung: 2:46
Reprise: 3:09

Hauptsatz in der Tonika: 3:09

Beginn der Überleitung: 3:21

Seitensatz: 2. Thema (Seitenthema), bleibt in der Tonika: 3:43

Seitensatz: Schlussgruppe, Bestätigung der Tonika: 4:08



Elaine Blackhurst

Randy Kern
Absolutely disagree.

This banal, facile, and uncharacteristically empty sonata, with almost no technical or musical challenges at all, should not be counted amongst Beethoven’s list of sonatas.

Beethoven himself described it as ‘...trivial’; he said that it was ‘...unworthy of my name’; and was clear that ‘...it should not have been published’, (his brother, against his will, sold it to a publisher).

It appears that it was written - almost unbelievably - in the mid-1790’s, so it categorically cannot be labelled a ‘...late-middle period sonata’; it sounds more like the three juvenile sonatas WoO 47 written in 1783.

The misleading Opus number reflects the publication date of Opus 49, not its date of composition.

The development which you describe as ‘...just the cutest’, is actually perfunctory, and reflects the dismissive attitude of the composer to the work as a whole; motivic and thematic development was one of the most important characteristics of Beethoven’s compositional style and technique - in this case, he simply could not be bothered in such a trivial and inconsequential work.

Feel a bit like the child in The Emperor’s New Clothes; you are absolutely right about the ‘…amazing pathos’ in many of Beethoven’s works, the problem is that there is 0% in this piece, and of course neither is it a ‘late-middle period sonata’ which is simply absurd disinformation.



Elaine Blackhurst

GoldTheAngel
Some - hopefully helpful - points:

1. Forget Mozart, not a note of this sounds remotely like anything from Mozart.
Neither is there anything of Haydn, though in terms of general compositional technique, there is normally more of Haydn in Beethoven than there is of Mozart.

2. Beethoven wrote this sonata for a 1790’s Viennese fortepiano; the touch you should be looking for is perhaps best described as non-legato.

3. Don’t look for too much in this inexplicably facile, empty and characterless sonata.
Beethoven did not want it published - his brother sold it to publishers secretly several years later - and he himself described it as ‘...trivial’ and ‘...not worthy of my name’.

4. Opus 49 No 1 is slightly better than this work.
However, if you really want to say you can play a Beethoven sonata, ignore the three juvenile WoO 47 sonatas, and Opus 49, and wait until you can manage the f minor sonata Opus 2 No 1 which is the first - and most technically manageable - of Beethoven’s great sonatas.
From Opus 2 onwards, every Beethoven sonata - except Opus 49 - is worth a lifetime’s study.

5. Rather than waste your time on this work from which you can actually learn practically nothing, if you want to play sonatas as a preparation for proper Beethoven, stick to the works of Mozart and Haydn - note both, not one or the other; each will teach you different things.



Elaine Blackhurst

@Ignacio Clerici
We know a huge amount about keyboard playing in the late 18th/early 19th century because CPE Bach wrote his Versuch (‘Essay on theTrue Art of Keyboard Playing’) published in two parts in 1753 and 1762.

The Versuch was studied by Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, and everyone else, and it is the basis of modern - ie post-Baroque - keyboard playing.

All later keyboard manuals started from the Versuch as their basis and foundation, even into the nineteenth century and beyond; for example, the modern fingering we use today was established by the Versuch and pretty much eradicated the old Baroque systems virtually at a stroke.

My comments are not arrogance, as I have a copy of the Versuch, and have both read and understood it.
Beethoven told his pupil Czerny to get a copy - and then study it - as one of the first things he was to do as Beethoven’s pupil.
(And of course, I too have followed Beethoven’s advice, so that puts me in a position of some competence to comment on these matters).

The real arrogance in truth, comes from commentators who make strongly-worded comments based on very little knowledge, and even less understanding.



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Ashish Xiangyi Kumar

Goode:
00:00 – Mvt 1
04:41 – Mvt 2
Lewis:
07:46 – Mvt 1
12:41 – Mvt 2

Goode’s performance has a kind of stately effortlessness that’s lovely to listen to: this is one of those recordings that, if you didn’t know what kind of performer a listener liked, you’d show them first: the dynamic control is faultless, and the phrasing perfectly judged. Lewis treats this sonata almost like it’s Schubert – and there are definitely moments in his playing when you do actually think you’ve found yourself in a Schubert sonata, so warm and broad is his playing.

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Ashish Xiangyi Kumar What is the metronome number for Goode’s performance

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Esther Wong

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Gamze Ek

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EconMC

Today I performed this piece and failed it. I truly appreciate and admire the pianists like Goode and Lewis who can play this piece so elegantly and passionately. Listening to them play has helped me overcome the challenges I have faced in playing this piece, and has helped me wipe the tears from my eyes and continue practicing.

Carson Fu

You are super cool

I just post memes in the comment section

You got it bro. I know what it's like to fail in a performance too. You might never be the world's greatest pianist (I won't lol), but wipe those tears and you can be good.

UGAManMike

What I like to do is imagine practicing until I know how every little muscle should work on each strike. Then I find a nice, quiet place to externalize. I drink about six beers. Then I play it as well as I can, and imagine how my imaginary girlfriend would react. I assume she understands words like legato and staccato, but understands each note I missed by a half step is interesting in its own right.

JayEm0235

just keep practicing buddy ☺️

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