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A Serbian Film
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Olle Rönn

10y↑250

"Well you know, it was well executed."
"Well so was the invasion of Poland!"

Zmaj od Nocaja

By the Soviet Union?

Fabio Q

@Alexander Dahoola and there, good folks, went the entire concept of a witty analogy "whoooosh" right over your head.

GregOrCreg

3y↑2

I hate to sound like a philistine, but the judge had a point.

Alexander Dahoola

4y↑1

Yeah, but to have a film "executed" and something like real life invasion of a country are actually two different things. But then again, unlike films for instance, an event of such type and magnitude would not be rated and reviewed and commented on as if it was a FICTIONAL MEDIUM OF FILM or simply a MOVIE.

GregOrCreg

3y↑42

"If you're going to be a film critic, you have to see everything. That is the job. If you're not doing it, you're just playing"

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

Frank Merker

3y↑2

Sure kermode, nice deflection. We knew he was dying to see it

Oliver Hayhoe

5y↑100

"Can you explain that?"
"No."

Genius.

Grunions

4y↑4

"I didn't understand what you said there"
"No"

Neal Thomas Matthews

Talk too much

Jordan Wicks

Reminds me of the David Lean interview with Lynch, when Lean asks him to explain Eraserhead.

Brendy

5y↑56

I love Mayo desperately trying to get Kermode to use more mainstream comparisons. To be honest, I didn't understand most of the stuff he said.

Fabio Q

3y↑4

@Alexander Dahoola spoken like a man with lots of time to watch obscure films assuming that is what 99% of people do. Forgetting that this show is not a lecture in film history but a mainstream film review show.

Rod Jones

3y↑3

@Alexander Dahoola Film research is Kermode's job, not Mayo's. 90% of listeners won't understand Kermode here, and Mayo is trying to get him to elucidate, because that's what Mayo is there for.

Rod Jones

3y↑2

@prefab12 Nail on the head mate

prefab12

4y↑16

Alexander Dahoola Part of Simon’s job on the show is to act as a listener to a mainstream film programme and question anything he believes the average listener won’t understand that Mark says, not for his benefit or for the benefit of those well versed in cinema, but for the benefit of the masses who tune in who like films but perhaps aren’t obsessive about them. This, I think, he does very well.

Alexander Dahoola

@milster And you can tell for sure, Mayo hasn't even seen or explored anywhere near as many films as Kermode did, and when Mark was about "Category 3 Hong Kong exploitation cinema" or "Jorg Buttgereit's "Nekromantik" (1987) film, he was like "What on Earth are you on about?", maybe do some more film research Simon? And I also bet my life that the uncut version of A Serbian Film, Mayo wouldn't last halfway through it, and yes mostly because of its disturbing and over the top sadistic and sexually violent content.

Fran

10y↑73

If this is more unrelentingly cruel than Salo I will eat my... Well, the less said about that, the better.

Niglet Jigaboo

You guys should watch “The Bunny Game” very disturbing! Funny thing is that the uncut version is here on YouTube! Slipped under the radar..

Not Dave's Channel

4y↑2

I stopped eating Nutella after I saw that movie.

MovieMan 1984

Nothing tops Salo when it comes to hard or cruel movies to watch!!!!

Lexi Kamen Turner

9y↑1

@Nautilus1972 A Serbian Film was boring as hell and came across as so desperate. Unimpressed.

Nautilus1972

Try a newborn baby being raped Fran. Yeah. Beat that.

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Luke

7y↑23

That ending will never leave me. Traumatising.

Felix H

5y↑7

It was so bad he fucks someone to death

Zachary Luke

8y↑5

I would find it really funny if Mark actually loved this film.

bh617

5y↑18

I laughed out loud at the Aristocats reference

Mare Obleet

Hahahaha typo intended.

Jesse Kennedy

5y↑51

“Did you ever see that film the Aristocats?”

Dom Powell

4y↑4

"What the Walt Disney?"

Hornytoad

7y↑38

I think you have to a very dull, callous person to watch imagery like this without being touched in some way. Not being horrified by stuff like this is like not being able to laugh at jokes, or not being able to taste food. It's nothing to be proud of.

Ian Nelson

4y↑5

@milster My friend after watching this covered himself in semen, also in his bed; life is full of such charming coincidences I find.

Manubibi

5y↑3

I saw it up to a certain point and it wasn't for me. I mean, I'm not sure about the allegory angle and whether it has some merit or whether it was just the director pulling some bullshit right from his ass in order to justify the movie's existence, but I didn't see any allegory either, but then again I'm not Serbian and I'm not aware of the inner workings of Serbia or its culture so I really don't know.
What I CAN say though is what I saw of it was extremely disjointed, like a series of shorts stitched together, and what I did get from it was that this movie was going for shock factor-fueled horror. Which is, I guess, fine for some people? But not for me. I can deal with horrifying imagery and cruelty, but only if it serves a purpose and not just a nihilistic one. I love horror movies, I love being disturbed and shocked, but I don't like it when it has no meaning. Because it's like eating bad-tasting food for the sake of eating bad-tasting food. And I've seen people around acting like they're superior for being able to watch extremely disturbing imagery, but that's not really an admirable feat to me. It's really nothing to be proud of. Anyone with a level of empathy low enough could watch a baby getting delivered and then raped to death and not get disturbed by it, which means anyone with a higher than the bare minimum level of empathy will be disturbed by it. It's low-hanging fruit.

And yet I can't really feel like I hate this movie. I don't know why. I couldn't get to the end of it because I'm already depressed and I don't need this shit, but I don't hate it. I don't hate the concept or even the imagery itself, because there is stuff like what happens in the movie also happening all around the world, maybe in secret, but it surely does happen because if it can be imagined then it can be done, and unfortunately I know about people who would... do that to newborn babies.
I'm just not into it. If you like it then whatever, but it's not for me.
You know what movie I really really DO hate with a seething passion? The Lion King's remake. But that's a rant for another day.

Nautilus1972

9y↑11

I can't say I watched the whole film, I downloaded it and knew nothing about it. I was disturbed by what I saw, and I fast forwarded through most of it to see what i was watching. When I checked it out on Wiki to see wtf I had just semi-watched I nearly died when I saw the director called it an allegory. Clearly the makers of the movie thought up the most disgusting things possible and made a movie around them - actually the plot around it is a good story in itself, but those scenes were the most disgusting things I've witnessed. Ever. Don't watch it.

rafalicious

4y↑1

Now you can go back to watching My Little Pony!

dirt

6y↑4

"i skipped through a movie and read the wikipedia"

Toosimoo

12y↑15

The first film in a long time where i am genuinely wary about watching it. I love horror and most other genres, but i fear this film will stay with me in an unpleasant way.

Caroline Gladwell

4y↑3

Defo agree with you reshma.. I watched it a few years back after feeling that I have never seen a proper scarey film... Me & my friend had dinner then watched SF... I can honestly say that since then I cannot get the pictures out of my head and have to live with the trauma of watching SF consently.... Its weird, you feel like you belong to some filthy club and you're too ashamed to admit you've watched it.

If anyone else is reading this then please make sure you look after yourself mentally afterwards, you will have some PTSD type symptoms after, no lie and I'm a mental health nurse

Reshma Mohan

4y↑2

It will , and it will stay within your mind like an unspoken memory which you would try in every way to avoid or dissociate yourself with its presence.
If you are one of those film enthusiasts who drills his/her attention to get the FEEL of what characters are subjected to in situations, then you are in it for some seriously psycho-pathologically distressing content.Also, the actors have done tremendous work of leaving you feel numb, with initiation of post trauma..

enn bee

5y↑27

"Lovely Stuff!" - Dean Gaffney.

Solomonmakesfilms

3y↑4

Lovely snuff

dAbSpUr 1882

4y↑2

I found it tried to be so shocking that it actually failed in its task.

Ben McFarlane

7y↑9

The most unnecessarily horrific film i've ever had the regret of watching. The subtext or allegory is complete non-existent.

Shagrat65

12y↑12

A Serbian Film was a great laugh; a perfect sunday afternoon's viewing for all the family

Control Oz

4y↑7

I’ve heard enough about this film to know I’ll never watch it. This discussion concretes that view for me. Thank god I’m not a film critic.

The Programmer ROLAND MC303

thank god you never worked for the bbc i will never watch this film or pay my tv license

james blames

8y↑10

a hard film to get through...psychically painful

Nate Atwell

10y↑3

I absolutely disagree with the review but there a re some wonderful insights in here. A Serbian film is very much like Nightmare in a Damaged Brain, both films reach for some intangible, and fall short. Neither is innovative, or does it connect on an emotional level, or a political level in the same way that Salo or Antichrist has don, both of which are also rather extreme films.

wrexshunt

I am still to watch this one - watched martyrs and thought " never again"

Matt McGillacuddy

12y

Inception was great for what it was a mainstream large budget blockbuster that proved these types of films can be just as cerebral as they are shock and awe.

paul nash

3y↑1

And six years later I can say you all (me too) missed the point of the film. Walk through a run down area of Bosnia/Serbia/Poland now late at night and tell me the director was wrong. A sick film, yes, but before it’s time. The director saw what was coming.

ali ray

4y↑3

I will never watch this film. I’ve read the plot and there is nothing there that will add anything of value to my life.

Nautilus1972

9y↑50

Reading the comments below, it worries me that these people are alive and walking around in the same world as my children.

Alex Flenner

3y↑1

"Won't somebody think of the children"!

viljamtheninja

4y↑3

@milster I'd rather have my date ask me about A Serbian Film than Transformers. I mean, both would be disturbing, but the first would at least be possibly interesting.

rob jackson

6y↑3

Well I have children but at the end of the day it's just a film. I think it's well made with amazing acting

Shaun Flavour

@Steven Campbell Hahaha no mate trust me she turned out to be an even bigger twat than I thought. I'm glad I walked. She messaged me the other day actually lol

Steven Campbell

8y↑5

+Medina Sod I'd like that kind of girl.

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Shree Nation

I skipped through 70% of this movie every time some bulls$#t popped up that I knew I wasn't going to be able to stomach, which was almost the entire film.

RenaissanceMan1993

11y↑7

*A Serbian film finishes* "That's quite an act. What do you call it" "Art" *badum tis*

Retog

3y↑2

One of the greatest films ever created

jcckidz

11y

It would be too much for me to watch, but the score is intense.

Jakub Roman

12y↑1

I love Nolan...but he doesnt come close to Kubrick..Kubrick was a master filmmaker and in my opinion, the greatest filmmaker ever...opinions aside, Kubrick is a better filmmaker than Nolan...Nolan deserves tons of praise for reinventing the summer blockbuster...id like to see him do something on the smaller scale and focus much more on story

Secret Guy

12y

Well tbh i heard his review for superbad and he gave that more in ya face criticism than a serbian film. Not that im agreeing with him though! I found superbad funny

Matt McGillacuddy

12y↑1

I'm not denying the depth or genius of Kubricks filmmaking. When I argued that other than 2001 his films were fairly straight forward as I was referring to the narrative structure. what makes him so successful is that his narrative structure is fairly conventional making it accessible to the base audience. This is combined, like you say, with a metaphorical depth that appeals to the more cerebral members of the audience. I don't think the fact that Aliens is a metaphor for the vietnam war

Matt McGillacuddy

12y

I wouldn't disagree. I wasn't arguing that Nolan was as good a filmmaker as Kubrick. Obviously Kubrick is far superior.

The Huntster

4y↑1

I’m a big horror film fan..... and certainly wouldn’t consider myself a prude.... but....
This film was unnecessarily unpleasant and just disgusting.

Hornytoad

7y↑14

I'm listening to this so that I don't ever have to watch this film. Mark's a humane, civilized critic and I trust him. I'd rather he told me about it than I soiled my mind and eyes with stuff that will hurt me for the rest of my life.

Nick

@Leon Lawson lucky. everytime I call somebody a pussy my comment gets auto-deleted : (

Hornytoad

Hey it's that guy who never gets any.

Leon Lawson

Pussy

PowderRanger00

11y

what do you call the film? 'a serbian film' , great example from mark perfectly sums it up

O.B. Herbie

10y↑31

I hate censorship don't agree with it. Everyone who's of age should be able to see what ever film they like uncensored. In saying that I thought the subject matter of the film was just unnecessary. Don't get me wrong if people enjoy watching that kind of stuff in movies that's there choice, I'm not judgemental but I'm afraid it was not for me.

O.B. Herbie

@Pete Hobson this is very true it’s completely beyond me why people would watch shit like that 🤷🏽‍♂️

Pete Hobson

3y↑1

I understand the argument against censorship and that adults should be able to decide what they watch. However, I personally think, yes people have the choice but who wants to see child abuse or necrophilia real or otherwise?

Lensman

5y↑1

Rubbish! No one over the age of 7 should be allowed to see a Transformers film!

Neil Alan Gaskin

5y↑1

Crime has been going on for years and centuries 😏 the days of Jack the ripper for example who never witnessed a gory movie and never played a videogame 😏

alisdair mckenzie

7y↑4

I thought it was a good movie. Ive only seen the full uncut version of the movie. Yes it's shocking in some parts but I think censorship is way worse.

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alifelesscritic critic

11y

now the film maker's intentions all of a sudden matter? tnx, Mark.

Manyx

4y↑1

Here is an interesting fact, Kermode loves Friedkin, specially the exorcist, Friedkin loves Serbian film.

Lorenzo Fantauzzi

3y↑1

Yeah I heard that Friedkin loved A Serbian Film and I'm pretty happy about that :)

Gareth Dowling

13y

@bak2skooltv I watched it the other day and was both replused and fascinated by it, ken?

Matt McGillacuddy

12y

I don't know how you could possibly argue a Serbian film is in good taste! Is that irony?

checkoutgirl

13y

@Totalpranny Ha ha. I know what you mean. I have a fascination about extreme films like A Serbian Film and August Underground Mordum. I wouldn't ever watch them because I have been disturbed by far tamer fare in my time. I love researching people's reactions and opinions on them though. I wish I had the bottle to watch them though because I believe I'm missing out. Cutting Moments is supposed to be a great film but I haven't the balls to watch a woman cutting her lips off with shears. Eugh !

Matt McGillacuddy

12y↑1

makes it a mind bender. Lots of conventional films are metaphors and have sub texts. Thats just filmmaking.

Scooby McDoobers

13y

@Tristanslav Thanks, I read the email with interest. I intend to send you a rebuttal; my only fear is that, in order to do it properly, I may have to watch this bloody film again... Just gimme a little time. One immediate complaint: you say I probably wouldn't be interested in your thoughts on modern, horrible, 'mainstream' porn and its relevance to this film. But of course I am interested. That's one of the reasons I'm against A Serbian Film - I see it as largely the same thing. But more later.

Scooby McDoobers

12y↑2

@Acibeb Nah. Most critics slammed it. As well they should. It's laughable tripe of the highest order. Anyone who likes the movie is a jagoff. And at least Saw and Centipede aren't pretentious.

notsukutsu

13y↑2

@bak2skooltv yes i've seen it and wish i hadn't. Technically it's fine, the leading actor is quite good in fact, but it's completely morally corrupt. Dr Mark's comparison to The Aristocrats joke is very apt. It pushes the boundaries for the sake of pushing the boundaries... but where do you go from there? Do people really need to see all that sick shit? Because the point it was making is really superficial and, if there were parallels to Serbia, then I'm quite sure most Serbians would object.

Rob Robberson

7y↑1

Worth the watch for shock/gorehounds, but very boring and forgettable as a story.

Ali the Heep

Kyle Kallgren’s discussion of A Serbian Film is worth watching. I couldn’t even get through a summary of the so-called plot, and Kyle explains why there is more to the film than shock value. Never ever going to watch it myself, though.

imyouandurme

11y↑27

To call "A Serbian Film" an "art film" is an insult to art films, even bad ones. This pile of dogshit doesn't even make it to the "bad art film" waste bin. It just gets flushed down the toilet with the rest of the sewage. However, I would enjoy watching the creators of "A Serbian Film" being tied to a chair and forced to watch "It's A Wonderful Life" over and over and over. Now that's entertainment.

Garry Reed

4y↑2

He didnt call it an art film, the porn star in the film was brought out of retirement to film an art film, its the plot of the film

jd899

13y

It sounds like an awful film from the good doctors' review of it

Sam Davies

4y↑2

Less Pasolini than a Lucio Fulci movie, brilliant!

Adam Wallace

Nah, Fulci's films are entertaining in their gory carnage. A Serbian Film just felt pointlessly cruel.

Lorenzo Fantauzzi

That was stupid.

Linda Teitelbaum

This is evil no doubt, but Salo is more evil because it used young actors in its splatter so at least this film took the warning literally

PixelatedPianist

6y↑3

While not a deep movie, it does have one point. I don't see anybody not living in Serbia understanding that very simple point of the movie, because it's talking about the state of Serbia and the people running the country. A couple of times it's alluded that the baddies are actually government men, who are basically tricking, using and exploiting people and the movie ends saying "even when you're dead, we'll still use your corpse and fuck you in the ass". Which is in a sick sense true because they do use dead people's votes during elections... They even used the name of my friends grandfather, he almost beat up the guy at the door when he found out.
It could have been better without some of the scenes, violence and a bit of more thought, but it's not the worse thing ever. It at least has some merit with the way it's shot and the great music.

Barry Beastmode

12y

@Bassbait You guessed the entire of Inception before you saw it? No, you didn't. Stop being so pretentious. Just because you like obscure low-budget art-house films that doesn't automatically make you intellectually superior to people who watch mainstream cinema. Inception is a very good film, and is remarkably complex and subtle for a big-budget blockbuster.

Zaroff's Trophy Room

Merely designer repellency. Like a cockroach spray by Evian. Or Exxon...like licking a faulty oil sump.

RatmGump

I was advised not to watch this movie, I now advise anyone else not to watch it either.

Muskateering

12y↑1

Shit dressed as shinola. People who defend it do so because they love the extreme stuff. My thoughts on it are just like Kermode's.

Scooby McDoobers

13y

@Tristanslav 1 or 2 more things: "Industry people might have exposure to the technical aspects of a film." What the f*ck? So what!? No one has denied that on a purely technical level A Serbian Film is well-made. The CONTENT is the contention. I still think you brought up your industry experience (twice!) to try to sound like an authority - that's why I have an issue. "...People [i.e. me] who try to impose their opinion on others by rubbishing their comments." That's what an argument is, comrade.

Pocketses McFlurry

11y

I agree in principle, I thought it was a very good film, the acting was great, the plot was well crafted and it was beautifully shot. I mean, I can at least respect Mark Kermode`s opinion on it because he was trying to be fair and objective, whereas most people, including those who haven`t seen it, judge it because they don`t like gore.

rob jackson

Pocketses McFlurry well said I agree 100 percent great film well made with amazing acting and I really felt for Milo

Matt McGillacuddy

12y↑1

A good example of how it can go horribly wrong for a mainstream director trying to pull off a mind bending blockbuster and failing is Aronofsky's The Fountain. I loved the film but it was such hard work to decipher the plot that audiences rejected it and it was a huge flop. the mind bending blockbuster is an incredibly difficult dichotomy to traverse and takes a genius to to succeed in it. Nolan did very well, as the box office receipts and the critics praise indicate.

babyshambler

9y↑41

This film was just silly fluff. Nothing stayed with me afterwards. It was camp! Silly wigs and editing. It really doesn't deserve its reputation.

Cnazty 63

4y↑3

Thank you for this, This movie just tries to shock for the value of shocks sake

Tim K

7y↑2

Yes, it is really a comedy, just one so unbelievably pitch black and gross that few noticed.

Graham Ginty

8y↑1

+Keith Thomas Totally agree, it was ridiculously camp.

Keith Thomas

9y↑12

+babyshambler
Could not agree more.
I watched this with rightfully some trepidation, and the first 20 minutes does pose an interesting proposition, with the hint of state involvement etc. But from the now famous 'new born porn' onwards this spirals into sub Hostel silliness. The 'plot' and the splatter are just so stupid in that crap teenage 'how far can we go' way, that at the end I was so baffled why anybody would enjoy this tasteless braindead movie.
File along side such turgid tripe like Love Camp 7, Island of Death, Human Centipede 2 and August Underground:Mordum....

MURKYDEEP100

12y↑1

i don't think he watched it properly at all, i reckon it's a good film and not as gory as he for some reason seems to think it is, It's an example of a snobby critic, who writes a review based on other reviews by people like him without watching the film properly.

Zerofightervi

If you want to know why you probably shouldn't watch this film just read the synopsis on imdb, it just seems like a film made to deliberately wind people up.

Anthony Bradley

well thank god mark has not seen murder set pieces as that film is even more offensive than a serbian film i would have liked to heard his opinion on it though.

awooga07

11y

Whilst I agree I don't see the film has any deeper allegorical meaning the film itself was more then pure exploitation in my opinion. I've seen plenty of pointless horror/torture type films that just show scene upon scene of suffering with no deeper meaning where as I felt a Serbian film did go deeper then that. You feel so bad for Milos and by the end I thought it was a very sad film.

DIL LONGSTAFF

Glad I saw it...but what a fuss about nothing.

Barry Beastmode

12y

@Bassbait He never says that he thinks that these films shouldn't exist. Abstaining from seeing a film because you think it sounds revolting has nothing to do with critical integrity. Abstaining on those grounds is a personal choice based on your own beliefs of how films such as this may or may not affect the viewer. Mark Kermode is not a self-appointed moral guardian - and if he started acting like one then I'd be disinclined to value his opinions as highly as I do. He is a film critic.

vorjay

11y

is that what you said. I thought you were putting down someone else subjective taste.

Rabbi Spidermann

I'm sorry that he had to watch this.

vorjay

11y

...how does that relate? You DID NOT frame your comment to imply, your humple opinion, that Kubrick was massively important, influential and innovative. You made a definitive statement that Kubrick was unsurpassable and derided someone else.

Thomas Ricard

13y

Oh Mark, you brave brave soul. I for one plan on dying without having seen even a second of this human atrocity because, in all seriousness, I think I would probably need therapy for the rest of my life by the sound of what happens in it.

19822andy

6y↑1

I think the movie DOES have merit and an important message.

Alexander Dahoola

Also, when Mayo started towards the end talking about how "Mark would have read about the history of the Balkans" etc I also wondered, does being a FILM CRITIC, like Mark Kermode obviously IS, actually require one to read BOOKS that are NOT related to or are about FILMS, and does it require say someone to UNDERSTAND them well? What if Mark, or I MYSELF for example, was to read a history book, on Balkans or otherwise (I for one am not that much of a reader) and I couldn't UNDERSTAND IT, certainly NOT enough to relate my knowledge of it to a certain FILM, whether to understand its message or otherwise, would I FAIL as a film critic then?

Alexander Dahoola

Then again, its why Mark is UK's most leading critic and me am just an ordinary guy with heavy often movie-related interests.

Rob Robberson

12y

It's the epitomy of torture porn, very well exexcuted, and very extreme. But I didn't connect with any of the characters and the supposed allegory never came across in any meaningful way. Check out the far superior 'Life and death of a porno gang', also from Serbia. Also very extreme, but more grounded in reality, thereby more disturbing. It's also funny, at times even touching.

John Molina

Now I'm kicking myself for not seeing that one when it played at my local rep theater now closed forever.

awooga07

10y↑20

it's really not that bad at all....I liked the movie it goes way beyond the gore and sex scenes on screen. No way is it the most disturbing film ever

rob jackson

6y↑1

Great film well made with amazing acting

hameythehamster

7y↑14

Locking up? For seeing a film?
That's utterly preposterous.

Nautilus1972

9y↑8

You want locking up as well.

Scooby McDoobers

13y

@Tristanslav You post 8 replies, THEN tell me you can't be bothered arguing!? The thing that bothers me about you is that you never attempted to answer my very first question. I wanted to know how on earth a film with content like this can be viewed as "thoughtful and intelligent"? I want to know how those delicate words can be applied to a ceaselessly, brutally obscene piece of torture porn. "It's a metaphor for the Serbian experience" - I'm unmoved. Surely there are better readings that that?

Sky Moran

12y↑2

I don't agree with the film, I do like this review. This film is for shock value purpose, there is no art or class whatsoever. Made for the wrong reason. Director to be taken in for questioning and banned from making Movies again, to possess this grotesque upon the world is sickening. What was the point? Was I suppose to be moved by this, affected? Affected in that I wasted my precious time..

Alexander Dahoola

Also, I understand of course that unlike some or even a lot of viewers, Mark Kermode is obviously a very experienced and mature and intelligent adult film critic who is also very much a leader in his profession and country, so OF COURSE the way he states his opinion as well as WHAT he says would be DIFFERENT to how us simple viewers would do so, but notice how Mark Kermode, even though his opinion on the film is not positive, he doesn't outright whine and complain about "Ew, look at how sick and disgusting" he found the film to be, and give it 1 out of 10 or less and start talking about the desire to exterminate or legally or otherwise punish the filmmaker and others responsible for it, even goes out of his way to talk about how he did find some merits to it ("It is technically well done") and compares it bravely to other (better) slices of extreme cinema out there. And do you think there is logic and reasoning behind this? (Debate in public OR in private if you wish.)

Alexander Dahoola

I also say it because even on YouTube, people who, negatively in that sense and case of course, reviewed, often went and were like "Oh don't see it as it will scar (not "scare") you" or one guy went into long, angry and graphic details about how its director "Should be shot in the "expletive deleted, f word" head" and others, with Mark Kermode, it does NOT seem to be the case, even if he WASN'T overall impressed with the movie EITHER.

Remedial Gash

8y↑2

I thought that it was just a very dark comedy - haven't seen it since the release, but the sun dappled slick opening seemed to me just as much a condemnation of slick Hollywood bullshit 'erotic thrillers' just as much as the end did as 'brutality in the balkans' stuff.

I think Mark got the tone of the film wrong and was jumping on the bandwagon of condemnation as are many of the commentators below, because it was essentially a silly film - part comedy, part 'look at me!' exploitation piece. The infant rape scene was deliberately unconvincing, and I'm sure the writers and director knew that it would provoke such a harsh reaction.

I haven't seen it in five years or whatever, but it was a fun romp .

3 baby rapes out of that bloke not from steps.

Derek Steele

can he speak any faster?

notsukutsu

13y↑1

@bak2skooltv it's just pretentious torture porn. There's actually no deeper meaning behind it. It merely pretends to have any.

Further Back

I’ve tried listening to this man. But I’m just not into submissive S&M.

tinblue

9y↑10

What I find disturbing is that film makers like this aren't dragged screaming into a padded cell and subjected to psycho analysis for the rest of their natural lives. People get arrested and put in jail for having child porn on their hard drives - how is making a film of a baby being raped any different?

Aaron Nielsen

tinblue because there wasn't actually a baby being raped in ASF(it was just a prop), but child porn actually has children being harmed

PauLtus B

7y↑1

Aside from it being simulated.
I guess because it's """art""".

Porco-Dio FIlm

7y↑1

tinblue Are you having that much trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality?
It's a film, a movie, not child porn, not abuse.
An illusion to make the viewer feel uncomfortable.
I suppose every movie that implies sexual abuse to kids should be banned as well?
What a great idea, then we can act as if it doesn't exist and that will obviously make it go away.
Your ignorance is baffling. To compare a fictitious film to the seriousness of real children being sexually abused is sickening.
Please seek help, you need it more than the people watching cheesy shock movies.

Kiesenberg

9y↑5

If that's what you believe, then that's fine, but we clearly see this very differently. Personally, I feel that if a piece of fictional media isn't directly hurting anybody, then it has the right to exist, no matter how abhorrent or vile.

Of course, giving information about what exactly is in a movie is important, but that's as far as censorship should go, in my opinion.

It's like, I know there's these messed up films like A Serbian Film, and I choose not to watch them. That doesn't mean I support baby rape or anything, it just means that it's not to my taste. How can you say it's "a very easy line to draw"? Can you somehow rank every single human act in terms of acceptability, then draw a line at the point it becomes 'too far'? That's way too subjective of a thing to do.

tinblue

@Kieran McLoone But its fiction that some fucked up person came up with and had a desire to put on celluloid. As for where should it end? At raping babies I think. Its a very easy line to draw when debating censorship.

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RabbitHole

7y↑2

Haven't seen the film but this review sucked... nearly 6 minutes long and all I really got from it was you repeating "it's exploitation trash'. You didn't go into any details about how or why, or any details about what the director was aiming for and how he missed etc. Basically, a bad review should put you off going to see the film, but this review actually made me want to see it so I can understand what the hell you're talking about lol

Scooby McDoobers

13y

@ribtin When a 44-year-old man gives his 13-year-old conquest a date rape drug and takes advantage of her vulnerable state, that is certainly statutory rape, but it is also "rape-rape." How can sex be consensual when one of the two involved has been severely drugged-up? (Not to mention that Geimer has always maintained that she begged him to stop.) Polanski was supported by Hollywood-types because they admire the 3 or 4 good movies he has made. It was nothing to do with a miscarriage of justice.

Scooby McDoobers

13y

@MURKYDEEP100 No, he's an ass man: check out his vlog about Richard Gere's acting techniques and you'll see what I mean.

Daniel McGuinness

12y

I personally think the film was sick.

Tomek Kuczynski

12y↑1

@Acibeb have you actually watched it? Its BAD. I mean its a crap film, with an impossible plot, bad acting and disgusting scenes.

buddinganarchist

Hostel 2 is worse since it is slicker.

Shaun Rudd

12y

Does anyone else think Simon is really annoying and interfering?

Damo Dubhdar

Tasteless and exploitative certainly, but it is a horror movie.

MURKYDEEP100

13y

@terratrema HAHAHA funny shit, and i supose the fact his second name's kermode's a bit of a giveaway

Zack Colbourne

4y↑2

I like Fulci.

Lorenzo Fantauzzi

Me too, from this "critic" it's pretty obvious that this guy is just a close minded snob imo.

Ben Rosenberg

11y

well its based on opinion

MrMartGonzo

9y↑3

Not to be taken seriously?
Been reading the headlines recently?

know much about Savile, Huate la Gurenne, North Wales Care Homes, Cyril Smith, Leon Brittan, Ted Heath?
The list goes on and on

the girl in question

why do you think a guy on the BBC would ever say anything about paedophilia?? hello? the bbc?

imstill notusingmyname

8y↑1

hmm... gore was nice, i give you that much but acting wasn't top notch. just barely manageable, and the score wasn't memorable even the slightest. neither were shit, full stop but they weren't anything to call home about either.

Secret Guy

And the acting, practical effects, score were top notch. In case you missed.

imstill notusingmyname

9y↑5

@MrMartGonzo ye, but his argument is that movie as a movie is not what it itself thinks it is. a competent director would've had no problems "nodding" towards those directions, but the only skill shown in this one was that it was shot really nice. thats about it.

MURKYDEEP100

12y

@daveroberts192 Fair point, you know, i don't have a clue, maybe i'm a masochist.

The Vicious Chicken of Bristol

8y↑2

This guy liked Howard the Duck though.....

Jafooli

@President Kudsi the video is something like best megabudget films.

Steven Campbell

8y↑3

I like it as a so bad it's great movie.

Christopher Kendall

8y↑1

+Toad Lash He likes certain parts of it.

Finlay O'Neill

8y↑1

+Toad Lash He said he liked it when reviewing Scott Pilgrim I think

The Vicious Chicken of Bristol

No mate, he honestly does like it.

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rohme

11y↑1

@hiimnick5 looks like someone tried to spell pretentious for the first time. Go ahead. Sound it out.

MichaelLeroi

13y

LOL, i've actually seen cat in the brain. never heard it mentioned before!

jaye see

3y↑1

Coming in 2021, An English Film

paul nash

3y↑1

Yes, that was the point. See my longer comment above. (Seriously, no hate/trolling)

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