PENTAGONIC was a freeform improvisation duo formed in 2000 in Bishkek,Kyrgy… Read Full Bio ↴PENTAGONIC was a freeform improvisation duo formed in 2000 in Bishkek,Kyrgyzstan, that used occasional non-linear composition and recording methods. Emphasis on complicating matters of rhythm, melody and (dis)harmony, combining delirium with psychosis and spontaneity with higher-dimensional coherence.
Now defunct, PENTAGONIC explored the limits of their own minds and expertise to create noisy symphonic fugues existing entirely on their own terms. Chords materialised from the apparent maelstrom of dislocated sound, building into soundscapes of subtle melody to create a pleasantly out-of-time, and sometimes disturbing aural experience.
MR BLACK
Guitar, Noise, FX master/ slave, non-rhythmic bassage, ashtray, wind-conductor on "Session", general abstractions, pre-production.
MR RED
Bass, clean guitar (except on Art Gallery) and frettapping, Didgeridoo vocals, occasional keys.
PENTAGONIC was formed in 2000 by Mr Black and Mr Red with help from numerous hand-picked shamanic aides, Seamus their white-haired guru, The Void, friends and other assorted friends.
The partnership dissolved in 2002; Mr Black taking his noise-pop sensibilities with him to never find later use, moving away from the haphazard heavy psych towards an expansive mathcore-esque style / gave up on music after realising neither he or anyone else could ever hope to surpass the magic that was PENTAGONIC / got a job and things, none of which really fit into the PENTAGONIC style. Mr Red learnt to play the bass properly too and also got a job but mostly found satisfaction playing the piano for his mum.
They briefly reformed in 2002 but this was sadly short-lived and produced only a few tracks of note because someone had misplaced "the vibe", before splitting up for good in 2002 when they realised they'd influenced a whole new generation who had taken their sounds in new, scary directions.
Side-projects:
Silver Hammer was Mr Black's outlet for his infrequent power metal urges and variations on the Top Gun theme. Sometime collaborators included greg.
Unknown and other projects that never really had names or at least none that can be recalled and only exist in highly rare one-pressing demo form.
Bishkek
Now defunct, PENTAGONIC explored the limits of their own minds and expertise to create noisy symphonic fugues existing entirely on their own terms. Chords materialised from the apparent maelstrom of dislocated sound, building into soundscapes of subtle melody to create a pleasantly out-of-time, and sometimes disturbing aural experience.
MR BLACK
Guitar, Noise, FX master/ slave, non-rhythmic bassage, ashtray, wind-conductor on "Session", general abstractions, pre-production.
MR RED
Bass, clean guitar (except on Art Gallery) and frettapping, Didgeridoo vocals, occasional keys.
PENTAGONIC was formed in 2000 by Mr Black and Mr Red with help from numerous hand-picked shamanic aides, Seamus their white-haired guru, The Void, friends and other assorted friends.
The partnership dissolved in 2002; Mr Black taking his noise-pop sensibilities with him to never find later use, moving away from the haphazard heavy psych towards an expansive mathcore-esque style / gave up on music after realising neither he or anyone else could ever hope to surpass the magic that was PENTAGONIC / got a job and things, none of which really fit into the PENTAGONIC style. Mr Red learnt to play the bass properly too and also got a job but mostly found satisfaction playing the piano for his mum.
They briefly reformed in 2002 but this was sadly short-lived and produced only a few tracks of note because someone had misplaced "the vibe", before splitting up for good in 2002 when they realised they'd influenced a whole new generation who had taken their sounds in new, scary directions.
Side-projects:
Silver Hammer was Mr Black's outlet for his infrequent power metal urges and variations on the Top Gun theme. Sometime collaborators included greg.
Unknown and other projects that never really had names or at least none that can be recalled and only exist in highly rare one-pressing demo form.
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Anna Bystrik
A prominent Ukrainian poet, Lina Kostenko, has written these two poems. I've translated it for the English-speaking friends of Ukraine
*
We've fought and strived--- as our forebears.
Yet freedom's alphabet we learn anew:
unmeasurable loss has no measures,
for ground zero fills the butchered view.
Us warriors, the purposeful, the doers,
the truest fighters for the sacred aim:
one's own sovereignty--- the very truest
of aims, we suffer so to attain.
*
The death, the terror, the despair,
The stench of horded killers-thieves ...
A leering creature, grey and meager,
Caused black and caustic senseless grieves.
This beast, repulsive and distorted,
Of evil breed, of Neva's cold...
Look, Europe's nations, eyes averted:
We are your future,foretold!
snickle1980
@censorshipleads totheNWO 😁I'm actually decently versed in this stuff.
Well the first two are classics right off the bat. I was in my 20s when the towers fell, and back then you could pick and choose your favorite 9/11 conspiracies. Art bell and David Icke were at their peak back then, weren't they?
An interesting side note for you here: In the first weeks to months after the event, tower seven was brought up on the message boards, but didn't really gain traction as a popular conspiracy for another year or two.
Aside from the message boards, and the AM radio, there were what i call "long form" conspiracies on 9/11 and tower 7 to be found on Google Video.
These videos would be anywhere from 40 minutes to 3 hour lectures, similar in appearance to a TED talk. This was before the days of youtube.
Gulf of Tonkin and Vietnam was a bit before my time, but it's right up there with the JFK assassination. Rather well known and quite popular.
Still, I'm not sure that gulf of tonkin deserves to be on the list when a number of elected officials all but admit it being a provocative act.
Northwoods, I had to look up to remember, but again, does it really deserve to make the list? It was more of a leak than anything else.
We're always up to shenanigan's somewhere in the world. Wait until you hear what we do in south America!
Do you have anything more obscure?
😁I'll take Lizard people for 300, Alex.
Prince Alex
If you want to know more about what's going on in Ukraine, check out these independent channels and journalists:
Patrick Lancaster,
the Grayzone,
the Jimmy Dore Show,
iEarlGrey,
Richard Medhurst,
the New Atlas,
the Last American Vagabond,
Max Blumenthal,
Aaron Mate,
Scott Ritter,
the Duran,
George Galloway,
Gonzalo Lira,
John Mearsheimer,
Glenn Greenwald,
Alex Cristoforou,
Alexander Mercouris,
Anne-Laure Bonnel.
Sakinah Hur
Assalaamu Alaikum...
Māā-shāā-Allah Tabarak'Allah
Jazāāk Allahu Khairan this Dhikr Allah...
May Allah (SWTA) Bless and Guide us all to the Straight Path and keep us on the Straight Path
Amin Bi'ithini Allah...
Take care and be true to your heart
With Peace and Divine Loving Consciousness
Sakinah
Allahu Hafaaz
Allahu Karim
Allahu Qadar Alhamdulilah
Sakinah Hur
Peace…
In continuance, of Polytheistic Christianity...
"It’s interesting to note that the Greco-Roman religions were filled with tales of gods procreating with human beings and begetting god-men.
The belief that God could be incarnate, or that there were sons of God, were common and popular beliefs.
For example, the chief god in the Greek pantheon, Zeus, visited the human woman Danae in the form of golden rain and fathered Perseus, a “god-man.”
In another tale Zeus is said to have come to the human woman Alcmena, disguised as her husband.
Alcmena bore Hercules, another “god-man.”
Such tales bear a striking similarity to Trinitarian beliefs of God being begotten as a man.
In fact, the early Christian apologist Justin Martyr, considered a saint in the Catholic Church, said the following in response to pagan criticisms that Christianity borrowed from their beliefs about the sons of God:
When we say that the Word, who is our teacher, Jesus Christ the first born of God, was produced without sexual union, and that he was crucified and died and rose again, and ascended to heaven, we propound nothing new or different from what you [pagans] believe regarding those whom you consider sons of Jupiter.
According to ancient Roman myth, Jupiter was the king of all the gods. Here Justin Martyr is telling Roman pagans that what the Christians believe about Jesus being the son of God is nothing different than what they believe about the sons of the god Jupiter.
That the Church Fathers’ conception of the Trinity was a combination of Jewish monotheism and pagan polytheism can be seen in the testimony of Gregory of Nyssa, a fourth century bishop who is venerated as a saint in the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches.
He also happens to be one of the great figures in the history of the philosophical formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity.
He wrote:
For the truth passes in the mean between these two conceptions, destroying each heresy, and yet, accepting what is useful to it from each.
The Jewish dogma is destroyed by the acceptance of the Word and by belief in the Spirit, while the polytheistic error of the Greek school is made to vanish by the unity of the nature abrogating this imagination of plurality.
The Christian conception of God, argues Gregory of Nyssa, is neither purely the polytheism of the Greeks nor purely the monotheism of the Jews, but rather a combination of both.
Even the concept of God-men who were saviours of mankind was by no means exclusive to Jesus.
Long before Jesus was born, it was not uncommon for military men and political rulers to be talked about as divine beings. More than that, they were even treated as divine beings: given temples, with priests, who would perform sacrifices in their honour, in the presence of statues of them.
In Athens for example, Demetrios Poliorcetes (Demetrios the Conqueror of Cities, 337–283 BCE) was acclaimed as a divine being by hymn-writers because he liberated them from their Macedonian enemies:
How the greatest and dearest of the gods are present in our city! For the circumstances have brought together Demeter and Demetrios; she comes to celebrate the solemn mysteries of the Kore, while he is here full of joy, as befits the god, fair and laughing.
His appearance is solemn, his friends all around him and he in their midst, as though they were stars and he the sun.
Hail boy of the most powerful god Poseidon and Aphrodite!
For other gods are either far away, or they do not have ears, or they do not exist, or do not take any notice of us, but you we can see present here, not made of wood or stone, but real.
So we pray to you: first make peace, dearest; for you have the power…
The Athenians gave Demetrios an arrival that was fit for a god, burning incense on altars and making offerings to their new deified king.
It must be pointed out that as time passed by, he did some other things that the Athenians did not approve of, and as a consequence they revoked their adoration of him.
It seems that in the days before Jesus, divinity could be stripped away from human beings just as easily as it was granted.
Perhaps the best known examples of God-men are the divine honours bestowed upon the rulers of the Roman Empire, starting with Julius Caesar.
We have an inscription dedicated to him in 49 BCE discovered in the city of Ephesus, which says this about him:
Descendant of Ares and Aphrodite
The God who has become manifest
And universal savior of human life"
To be continued...
With Peace and Divine Loving Consciousness
Sakinah
Sakinah Hur
Peace…
This explanation on Christianity and their polytheistic origins will include verses from Sacred Texts and commentary from other authors...
The Qur'an States facts of how Pagan/Polytheistic Cultures were destroyed by Allah/God Almighty (SWTA) (Bible/Tanach Stated those same facts, but with tribes of different names), yet, also about Jews fighting against the followers of Islam; the Trinity in Christianity is proof that it is polytheistic and is equal with pagan cultures/idol worshippers with their idol being Jesus (Peace be upon him) and this reason is why the followers of Islam verbally attacked them for not following the religion of Jesus (SWTA) (Christianity has been usurped by Paul/Saul who changed aspects of the religion by allowing the Greeks to misconstrue, through perceptual interpretations while translating Armaic and Hebrew [Greeks were a polytheistic culture who believed in demigod/God incarnate humans to worship and this is how the idea about Jesus (AS) was invented] and it was even mentioned in the New Testament of the Christian Bible…
I will share a quote from an article…
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By Many Prophets One Message
"The Pagan Origins of the Trinity"
"When we turn to the Old Testament we find that such language permeates its pages. For example, Moses calls God “Father”: Is this the way you repay the Lord, you foolish and unwise people?
Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you?
[Deuteronomy 32: 6]
Angels are referred to as “sons of God”: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. [Job 1: 6]
The Old Testament even goes so far as to call Moses a god: “And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.”
[Exodus 7: 1]
The Israelites are also referred to as “gods”: “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’”
[Psalm 82: 6]
What we can conclude is that such highly exalted language was commonplace and is intended figuratively; it is not a literal indication of divinity.
Even as late as the end of the first century, when the New Testament writers started penning their accounts of the life of Jesus, Jewish people were still using such language figuratively.
In a conversation between Jesus and some Jewish teachers of the law, they say to Jesus: “…The only Father we have is God himself.”
[John 8: 41]
The Gospel of Luke calls Adam a son of God when it recounts the lineage of Jesus: “the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.”
[Luke 3: 38]
Jesus even says that anyone who is makes peace is a child of God: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.”
[Matthew 5: 9]
If the New Testament writers understood such language to be a claim to divinity, then they would have used it exclusively in relation to Jesus.
Clearly, it denotes a person that is righteous before God and nothing more.
So we can see that such language, in and of itself, does not denote the divinity of Jesus. So where did such ideas come from?
The turning point in history came when Christianity ceased being a small movement within Judaism and Gentiles (non-Jews) started to embrace the faith in large numbers.
We need to look to the pagan world of the Gentiles in order to understand the mindset of the people that received the New Testament message.
Since the time of Alexander the Great, Gentiles had been living in a Hellenistic (Greek) world.
Their lands were dominated by Roman armies, with the Roman Empire being the superpower of the world at the time.
The Roman Empire itself was heavily influenced by Hellenistic religion, philosophy and culture. Greek gods and goddesses like Zeus, Hermes and Aphrodite, as well as Roman gods and goddesses like Jupiter, Venus and Diana, dominated the landscape.
There were temples, priesthoods, and feasts dedicated to the patron god or goddess of a city or region; statues to the deities dotted the forums of the cities.
Even rulers themselves were frequently worshipped as gods.
Gentiles from such a polytheistic background would have naturally understood Christian preaching about the “son of God” in light of a Greek or Roman god having been begotten by another.
We can see this mindset manifested in the New Testament.
In the Book of Acts there is an incident where the Gentile crowds think that Paul is Zeus come among them when he heals a crippled man:
When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, “The gods have come down to us in human form!”
Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker.
The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them.
[Acts 14: 11-13]
It is worthy of note that Paul and Barnabas did not take this opportunity to explain that it was not they but rather Jesus who was God come in human form. Such a clarification is what you would expect, if Trinitarian beliefs about Jesus are correct.
Instead, they argued against such pagan beliefs and practices:
But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting:
“Men, why are you doing this? We too are only men, human like you.
We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made heaven and earth and sea and everything in them.
[Acts 14: 14-15]
Here we see that the Greco-Roman peoples that Paul and Barnabas were preaching to were in the habit of taking humans for gods.
Despite Paul protesting that he was not a god, the people persisted in their belief: “Even with these words, they had difficulty keeping the crowd from sacrificing to them.”
[Acts 14: 18]
From this example we can see that according to Christian history, it was a common practice for people to attribute divinity to other humans.
In spite of Paul openly denying being a god, the people continued to worship and sacrifice to him.
We can conclude that even if Jesus himself rejected being God at that time, the mindset of the people was such that they would still have found a way to deify him.
This is not an isolated incident, as we read elsewhere that Gentiles believed Paul was a god because he survived a bite from a venomous snake:
Once safely on shore, we found out that the island was called Malta.
The islanders showed us unusual kindness.
They built a fire and welcomed us all because it was raining and cold.
Paul gathered a pile of brushwood and, as he put it on the fire, a viper, driven out by the heat, fastened itself on his hand.
When the islanders saw the snake hanging from his hand, they said to each other, “This man must be a murderer; for though he escaped from the sea, the goddess Justice has not allowed him to live.”
But Paul shook the snake off into the fire and suffered no ill effects.
The people expected him to swell up or suddenly fall dead; but after waiting a long time and seeing nothing unusual happen to him, they changed their minds and said he was a god.
[Acts:28: 1-6]
With this background in mind, it’s easy to see how Judaic phrases like “son of God” took on a different meaning when transported out of their Jewish monotheistic context into pagan Greco-Roman thought.
The Trinity doctrine arose neither in a vacuum, nor strictly from the text of Scripture.
It was the result of the influence of certain beliefs and attitudes that prevailed in and around the Church after the first century.
The Church emerged in a Jewish and Greek world and so the primitive Church had to reconcile the notions they had inherited from Judaism with those they had derived from pagan mythology.
In the words of the historian and Anglican bishop John Wand, “Jew and Greek had to meet in Christ” "
To be continued…
With Peace and Divine Loving Consciousness
Sakinah
Sakinah Hur
Peace…
The more I read and study
It changes aspects to my belief and my fear/piety keeps "One God, One Creator with No Association with His Power and Majesty" to my heart-soul since if there was a son for God Almighty (SWTA) it would be Adam (Peace be upon him) since he is known as the first Creation...
Whether coming from mud or being born from flesh in the womb is not much difference since the earth is known as the Mother who provides all kinds of sustenance for the Creation and has even produced a child as Adam (AS)...
I think of the Ten Commandments..
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
6 but showing love to a thousand
generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
So 4 and 5 come to mind about the thought of Jesus (Peace be upon him) in the different sects of Christianity; taking the human form to worship and bow down in thinking that he has some power to provide anyone with anything seems like a violation of those Sacred Commandments and to align him with being an actual son of The Creator demeans and more than disrespects God Almighty (SWTA) Who is The One and Only Creator Who Says "To Be" and it comes to exist...
What needs does our Creator God Almighty have?
Why does there need to be a son and why would there be a demigod/God incarnate?
How can anyone die for our sins?
Then why do we need to repent for our actions if Jesus (AS) has already died for our sins?
What are the Ten Commandments and what are they to mean for our living?
In the words alone to preaching that Jesus (AS) is the son of God Almighty (SWTA) and that he is a demigod/God incarnate to worship and ask of him what we should only be asking from our Creator (SWTA) is making an image in the form of something from heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. To bow down and worship, which
The Lord, our God, is a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Him...
Do we hate him if we do not follow any one of the Ten Commandments?
How simple these Religious Laws/Shari'a are in the Tanach/Hebrew Bible/Torah/Old Testament...
How easy it is to only have such demands upon us, yet, there are others, which are the Guidance from the Prophets (Peace be upon them) like Proverbs and much more throughout these Sacred Texts of the Abrahamic Faiths...
"Showing love to a thousand
generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."
This one aspect has me to also embrace the last Messenger/Prophet and include Muhammad (SAWS) within the Abrahamic Prophethood (AS) since he is from the family of Abraham's (AS) first child Ishmael (AS) and the Qur'an is definitely a Reminder and Divine Statement from our Creator God Almighty (SWTA)...
These questions came to my mind and I had read and studied a lot of information to come to the understanding that I now live in...
I say that I am a Muslim, yet, I am also a Christian and raised as such, but I am also a Rastafarian 'cause "once ras always a ras" and this is how the Divine intertwines with the Divine and no separation from the Divine…
Take care and be true to your heart
With Peace and Divine Loving Consciousness
Sakinah
Tianna
It makes me really happy to hear that Mr Kirby isn’t trying to speak for anyone else or any other country. I feel like this was a big American problem in our past, especially in the military, to try to control everything and everyone. I’m glad we are leaving that BS in the past where it belongs.
Tianna
@morituri te salutant I can definitely appreciate that, especially considering we are not fighting directly in this conflict (as of now) and I know a lot of Americans have concerns about the large amount of money we're sending to Ukraine in aid packets, specifically because we have lots of pressing issues at home with trafficking, crime, law enforcement border issues, etc.
At the same time, every second counts for Ukraine/Ukrainians and I think there's a lot of divide over what we ought to do, how much money we should put into funding it all, etc.
All of this to say, the democratic processes we have in place are there for a reason. I don't want any one branch to have too much authority or influence in what we do, how we do it, etc.
It's ironic how Putin was constantly harping on about NATO when our alliance was the weakest its been in decades and now, thanks to Putin and his conflict, NATO and by extension, many NATO countries seem more united than ever before.
morituri te salutant
Well that was always the point of the alliance. And generally of the western world. Sure we are a bit slower with decision making and sometimes I think it's looks weird for other nations, especially for the ukraine right now but our system works that way. Every nation, politician and every human being has a vote. That kept us away from giant mistakes, because there is not just one single man pushing all his people in a pointless war. At the same time the course is always changing a bit, depends where the citizens want to go and what they voted for. That makes us much more future proof and agile middle and long term.
morituri te salutant
❤️
Anna Bystrik
A prominent Ukrainian poet, Lina Kostenko, has written these two poems. I've translated it for the English-speaking friends of Ukraine
*
We've fought and strived--- as our forebears.
Yet freedom's alphabet we learn anew:
unmeasurable loss has no measures,
for ground zero fills the butchered view.
Us warriors, the purposeful, the doers,
the truest fighters for the sacred aim:
one's own sovereignty--- the very truest
of aims, we suffer so to attain.
*
The death, the terror, the despair,
The stench of horded killers-thieves ...
A leering creature, grey and meager,
Caused black and caustic senseless grieves.
This beast, repulsive and distorted,
Of evil breed, of Neva's cold...
Look, Europe's nations, eyes averted:
We are your future,foretold!
Alex R
The hysteria is amusing. While those who have never attacked us are subjected to innuendo and false accusations, the countries that have actually been caught spying on us and have attacked us go completely without scrutiny.
Nobody Knows
Polish? Your reverse notation logic suggests it.
Diya X
Congratulations to Russia 🇷🇺 🥇 👏, China, Arabs Countries 🥰
Aaron Fralick
They care more about foreign countries then our own
J P
There's a High possibility AROUND 6-02 TO 6-10 , He'll go for Moldova-Romania and Finland .