Skinny Puppy was an influential industrial band, formed in 1982 by core mem… Read Full Bio ↴Skinny Puppy was an influential industrial band, formed in 1982 by core members cEvin Key (Kevin Crompton) and Nivek Ogre (ohGr) (Kevin Ogilvie) in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. They officially split up following the completion of their Final Tour on December 5, 2023.
Inspired by the groundbreaking music of Chrome, Kraftwerk, Cabaret Voltaire, Throbbing Gristle, Portion Control, The Legendary Pink Dots, and others, Skinny Puppy experimented with electronic recording techniques and methods. the band composed multi-layered music generally using keyboards, synthesizers, found sounds, drum machines, live percussion, tape splices, samplers, and conventional rock music instruments. Whereas many contemporary remixes and re-edits of songs were created in order to make a song more suitable for dancing or different radio formats, Skinny Puppy approached remixing and re-editing as an artistic process of reinterpreting compositions, often using remixes to push their sound into styles of ambient, dub and techno. Skinny Puppy's often informal, improvisational approach to musical composition is indicated by use of the term brap, coined by them and defined as a verb meaning "to get together, hook up electronic instruments, get high, and record".
Skinny Puppy's first two proper releases, Bites and Remission, fall somewhere between the found-sound chaos of early Cabaret Voltaire and the abrasive, futuristic synthpop of the Units or Crash Course in Science. While the intense synth programming, abstract rhythms, and surreal samples--all Puppy trademarks--are present here, the albums owe as much to new wave as to industrial.
A subsequent EP, Chainsaw, featured a remix of Bites's "Assimilate" that earned the band some attention from club DJs. 1986's Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse earned Skinny Puppy greater attention, as "Dig It" and "Stairs and Flowers" became alternative club and college radio hits; the video for the former was played occasionally on MTV. The album is arguably less club-friendly than its predecessors, as the band continues to refine a claustrophobic, almost surreal sound that buries rhythm and melody. The follow-up, Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate treads similar territory.
VIVIsectVI was a breakthrough for the band, with "Testure" becoming their biggest club hit to date, and the album itself was received warmly by college radio. The title of the album was a pun intended to associate vivisection with Satanism (ie. the "666 sect"). The album shows SP integrating more political and social themes: "Testure" is an animal rights song; "VX Gas Attack" concerns the use of chemical weapons; "State Aid" promotes sexual abstinence to stop the spread of AIDS/HIV.
Ogre had become very interested in Ministry and Al Jougensen's side projects, and he persuaded the rest of the band to allow Jourgensen to produce Rabies. While "Worlock" (a track Jourgensen didn't produce) remains an industrial club classic, the album was received coolly, as many thought Jourgensen's heavy metal guitar-based signatures did not compliment SP's more complex, intricate sonic sculptures. The band briefly disbanded afterward.
They reformed and returned to their electronic roots with Too Dark Park, a hallucinogenic album that owes as much to psychedelia as industrial music. Two years later, "Last Rights" covered similar territory, culminating in the epic sound sculpture "Download." Although their sound had moved away from industrial dance, these albums expanded the band's audience, and provided the template for many industrial bands of the 1990s.
Following "Last Rights", the band, poised for a major breakthrough in the wake of Nine Inch Nails' commercial success, left their longtime label Nettwerk for American Recordings. Their highly anticipated followup was unfortunately marred by personal tragedy - the death of Dwayne Goettel - and the band's inability to agree on a direction for the record. Numerous producers, including Martyn Atkins (PigFace/Invisible Records founder) and Roli Mosimann (Swans), came and went without success; finally the band regrouped with longtime collaborator Dave "Rave" Ogilvie to finish "The Process". The band expanded their range, working with gothic pop and heavy metal, alongside their familiar electronic textures. While seemingly rushed to completion following Goettel's death (it sounds half-finished in parts), it is an interesting change for the group. Unfortunately American Recordings, tired of waiting for the record, did little to promote it. Skinny Puppy broke up afterward.
With interests in filmmaking, they made a number of music videos, each attempting to further the theme and concept of the composition at hand. Most of these videos received little air play by major music video networks such as MTV (USA) and MuchMusic (Canada) and some were outright banned. For example the video for "Worlock" was universally banned because it is a "non stop gore fest" of clips from various horror movies. Because none of these clips were authorized for usage in the video it has never been commercially available.
Their concerts have been marked by their bizarre and bloody conceptual performance art, which for every concert was planned with the intention of challenging the notions of all who observed. Their music had some acceptance in dance clubs because of its danceable beats, but had little play on commercial radio. Skinny Puppy had little commercial success outside of Canada, but their influence on industrial music is immense.
The band began with the intention of doing something "raw" and "real." Ogre's vocals, one of Skinny Puppy's most recognizable features, are typically roughly growled snarls of half-sentences and fragmented stream of consciousness. Lyrical themes included animal rights, politics, religion, horror, drug abuse, disease, and environmental degradation; these themes were often lyrically and conceptually intertwined. Other core aspects of the Skinny Puppy sound include the mixture of heavy sampling and experimental noise with softer musical styles sometimes approaching synthpop.
Post-punk politics are a recurring theme utilised by Skinny Puppy. Some say the meaning of their name is that their music and lyrics give a view of the world from the eyes of a starving animal. They have long had an interest in animal rights; this is most obvious in their song Testure, which is about vivisection and other animal testing being scientific fraud. During many of their concerts Ogre would take the role of "scientist" and experiment on a stuffed animal. In 1988 they were arrested for their mocked-up vivisections, and found it ironic to be arrested for a parody of what was happening for real across the street from their concert. During their TGWOTR tour, criticism of the Bush regime was a recurring theme, particularly during their performance of VX Gas Attack, a song about atrocities perpetrated by Saddam Hussein, originally released while he was still considered an ally of the United States.
The last two studio albums are points of contention for old school Puppy fans. During the recording of The Process, the band broke up. Even more tragically, Dwayne Rudolph Goettel died, from an apparent heroin overdose at his parent's home, soon afterwards. Some people say that cEvin, Nivek, and Dwayne didn't connect as well on this album as they had earlier because their respective musical interests were diverging at the time, others claim it was the heroin.
Key and Ogre later reunited as Skinny Puppy for a one-off concert in Germany in 2003. Afterwards, they decided Skinny Puppy should continue as an ongoing project. The newly reconstituted Skinny Puppy released The Greater Wrong of the Right in 2004, their first studio album in 8 years, and have been continuing since, constantly evolving their sound.
There have been a number of Skinny Puppy side projects, both before, and after the breakup in 1995. The Tear Garden is a collaboration between cEvin and Edward Ka-Spel (and later most band members) of The Legendary Pink Dots. Other noteable side projects include Download, Hilt, Plateau, Cyberaktif (a collaboration between Key & Goettel and Bill Leeb, a.k.a. Wilhelm Schroeder), Rx (one-off collaboration between Ogre and Martin Atkins), ADuck (Goettel's side project), A CHUD Convention (one-off collaboration with a;GRUHM...), Ogre's contributions to Pigface, Ogre and Mark Walk's band ohGr and solo releases from cEvin Key.
Inspired by the groundbreaking music of Chrome, Kraftwerk, Cabaret Voltaire, Throbbing Gristle, Portion Control, The Legendary Pink Dots, and others, Skinny Puppy experimented with electronic recording techniques and methods. the band composed multi-layered music generally using keyboards, synthesizers, found sounds, drum machines, live percussion, tape splices, samplers, and conventional rock music instruments. Whereas many contemporary remixes and re-edits of songs were created in order to make a song more suitable for dancing or different radio formats, Skinny Puppy approached remixing and re-editing as an artistic process of reinterpreting compositions, often using remixes to push their sound into styles of ambient, dub and techno. Skinny Puppy's often informal, improvisational approach to musical composition is indicated by use of the term brap, coined by them and defined as a verb meaning "to get together, hook up electronic instruments, get high, and record".
Skinny Puppy's first two proper releases, Bites and Remission, fall somewhere between the found-sound chaos of early Cabaret Voltaire and the abrasive, futuristic synthpop of the Units or Crash Course in Science. While the intense synth programming, abstract rhythms, and surreal samples--all Puppy trademarks--are present here, the albums owe as much to new wave as to industrial.
A subsequent EP, Chainsaw, featured a remix of Bites's "Assimilate" that earned the band some attention from club DJs. 1986's Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse earned Skinny Puppy greater attention, as "Dig It" and "Stairs and Flowers" became alternative club and college radio hits; the video for the former was played occasionally on MTV. The album is arguably less club-friendly than its predecessors, as the band continues to refine a claustrophobic, almost surreal sound that buries rhythm and melody. The follow-up, Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate treads similar territory.
VIVIsectVI was a breakthrough for the band, with "Testure" becoming their biggest club hit to date, and the album itself was received warmly by college radio. The title of the album was a pun intended to associate vivisection with Satanism (ie. the "666 sect"). The album shows SP integrating more political and social themes: "Testure" is an animal rights song; "VX Gas Attack" concerns the use of chemical weapons; "State Aid" promotes sexual abstinence to stop the spread of AIDS/HIV.
Ogre had become very interested in Ministry and Al Jougensen's side projects, and he persuaded the rest of the band to allow Jourgensen to produce Rabies. While "Worlock" (a track Jourgensen didn't produce) remains an industrial club classic, the album was received coolly, as many thought Jourgensen's heavy metal guitar-based signatures did not compliment SP's more complex, intricate sonic sculptures. The band briefly disbanded afterward.
They reformed and returned to their electronic roots with Too Dark Park, a hallucinogenic album that owes as much to psychedelia as industrial music. Two years later, "Last Rights" covered similar territory, culminating in the epic sound sculpture "Download." Although their sound had moved away from industrial dance, these albums expanded the band's audience, and provided the template for many industrial bands of the 1990s.
Following "Last Rights", the band, poised for a major breakthrough in the wake of Nine Inch Nails' commercial success, left their longtime label Nettwerk for American Recordings. Their highly anticipated followup was unfortunately marred by personal tragedy - the death of Dwayne Goettel - and the band's inability to agree on a direction for the record. Numerous producers, including Martyn Atkins (PigFace/Invisible Records founder) and Roli Mosimann (Swans), came and went without success; finally the band regrouped with longtime collaborator Dave "Rave" Ogilvie to finish "The Process". The band expanded their range, working with gothic pop and heavy metal, alongside their familiar electronic textures. While seemingly rushed to completion following Goettel's death (it sounds half-finished in parts), it is an interesting change for the group. Unfortunately American Recordings, tired of waiting for the record, did little to promote it. Skinny Puppy broke up afterward.
With interests in filmmaking, they made a number of music videos, each attempting to further the theme and concept of the composition at hand. Most of these videos received little air play by major music video networks such as MTV (USA) and MuchMusic (Canada) and some were outright banned. For example the video for "Worlock" was universally banned because it is a "non stop gore fest" of clips from various horror movies. Because none of these clips were authorized for usage in the video it has never been commercially available.
Their concerts have been marked by their bizarre and bloody conceptual performance art, which for every concert was planned with the intention of challenging the notions of all who observed. Their music had some acceptance in dance clubs because of its danceable beats, but had little play on commercial radio. Skinny Puppy had little commercial success outside of Canada, but their influence on industrial music is immense.
The band began with the intention of doing something "raw" and "real." Ogre's vocals, one of Skinny Puppy's most recognizable features, are typically roughly growled snarls of half-sentences and fragmented stream of consciousness. Lyrical themes included animal rights, politics, religion, horror, drug abuse, disease, and environmental degradation; these themes were often lyrically and conceptually intertwined. Other core aspects of the Skinny Puppy sound include the mixture of heavy sampling and experimental noise with softer musical styles sometimes approaching synthpop.
Post-punk politics are a recurring theme utilised by Skinny Puppy. Some say the meaning of their name is that their music and lyrics give a view of the world from the eyes of a starving animal. They have long had an interest in animal rights; this is most obvious in their song Testure, which is about vivisection and other animal testing being scientific fraud. During many of their concerts Ogre would take the role of "scientist" and experiment on a stuffed animal. In 1988 they were arrested for their mocked-up vivisections, and found it ironic to be arrested for a parody of what was happening for real across the street from their concert. During their TGWOTR tour, criticism of the Bush regime was a recurring theme, particularly during their performance of VX Gas Attack, a song about atrocities perpetrated by Saddam Hussein, originally released while he was still considered an ally of the United States.
The last two studio albums are points of contention for old school Puppy fans. During the recording of The Process, the band broke up. Even more tragically, Dwayne Rudolph Goettel died, from an apparent heroin overdose at his parent's home, soon afterwards. Some people say that cEvin, Nivek, and Dwayne didn't connect as well on this album as they had earlier because their respective musical interests were diverging at the time, others claim it was the heroin.
Key and Ogre later reunited as Skinny Puppy for a one-off concert in Germany in 2003. Afterwards, they decided Skinny Puppy should continue as an ongoing project. The newly reconstituted Skinny Puppy released The Greater Wrong of the Right in 2004, their first studio album in 8 years, and have been continuing since, constantly evolving their sound.
There have been a number of Skinny Puppy side projects, both before, and after the breakup in 1995. The Tear Garden is a collaboration between cEvin and Edward Ka-Spel (and later most band members) of The Legendary Pink Dots. Other noteable side projects include Download, Hilt, Plateau, Cyberaktif (a collaboration between Key & Goettel and Bill Leeb, a.k.a. Wilhelm Schroeder), Rx (one-off collaboration between Ogre and Martin Atkins), ADuck (Goettel's side project), A CHUD Convention (one-off collaboration with a;GRUHM...), Ogre's contributions to Pigface, Ogre and Mark Walk's band ohGr and solo releases from cEvin Key.
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Skinny Puppy Lyrics
We have lyrics for these tracks by Skinny Puppy:
...Brap "You cannot hurt me, you fools! I am not one…
01. Dig It Dig it Dig it…
200 Years "What's wrong with you? What's wrong with everybody in this…
Addiction Desperate Deranged Talking in my sleep again Eyes twitch Ret…
Addiction (Dog House mix) Desperate deranged talking in my sleep again eyes twich reta…
Addiction (Opium mix) desperate deranged talking in my sleep again eyes twitch ret…
Ambiantz A politician, a worm in a fist and a wish…
Amnesia For reasons untold born a body mass no excuse for Intolerabl…
Amputate No more escaping Overcast Go past No money Tragic derel…
Antagonism Flesh makes a stretch through the hoop again no faults…
AshAs Hey ya wake up sleepy head bling bling to the…
Assimilate Oil remove shred and tear radiation vapor It's the fear so…
Bark After many hours ?higher? --nated fixture Whatever bells…
Blood There's blood on the wall So what There's blood on the wall …
Blue Serge Worn out gone ocean calmly lowers bodies offering Whims cond…
Brak Talk "I got something that I gotta say...truth...jesus...fuck all…
Brap Cannot touch me, you fool I'm not one of you You cannot…
Brap... "You cannot hurt me, you fools! I am not one…
Brownstone Mr. Brownstone sits in a titan of the ship Meddle state…
Burnt With Water Behaviour! Behaviour! Behave!…
Cage Articulate and fill with nothing said the leach of the Leech…
Candle Here falls now undone looks beyond the credits sum livid…
Carry This song consists of mostly samples from the movie '1984',…
Chainsaw Forlorn lists true contempt destruct dripping Red is it time…
Choralone Unfurnished treeless barren ball Rotates spitting toxins Tim…
Circustance [whispering:??Never trusted??] (Kaiser?/Crazy?) (Black time…
Convulsion Heavens thrash fixation turning mass direction Having a rela…
Cullorblind Under a cave-in beaten Educated and believes Unload a gun th…
Cult A lasting moment to hold onto with regret. The scent…
Curcible Good and evil does not exist Christ Fix the outcome overall…
d0wnsizer attached in awe what a whiplash hate filled culture of…
Daddyuwarbash Empire sews the seed of hate we remove ourselves passing Fla…
Dal "Where you gonna go? Where you gonna run? Where you…
Dead Lines Tarnish away Tarnish Simple test at best All is nothing l…
Dead Lines (400 Blows mix) Simple test at best all is nothing less run for more I can't…
Dead of Winter "watch closely" "closer (closer, closer,...)" It's Chr…
Deadlines Tarnish away Tarnish Simple test at best All is nothing l…
Deadlines (Live At LOGO Bochu Simple test at best all is nothing less run for…
Death Holding his hands. Dream the whole week. Radiance. Hissin…
Deep Down Trauma Hounds Injured plea crushed destiny deep down Trauma hounds run to …
Dig It Dig it Dig it…
Dig It (short edit) Dig it dig it Love cannot attach itself to binding ugliness …
Dogshit (A dream) rest low tar spell fatigue vermin crawling in…
Double Cross Drug addiciton alcholism hatism beatialitiy mutilation murde…
Downsizer Attached in awe what a whiplash hate filled culture of Viru…
Draining Faces Cut tear taking life too serious recreates a void not Unlike…
Empte Beat my head to wake up cause I feel as…
Falling ??? A sign ??? the scream ??? doesn't want cold nights ??? i…
Far Too Frail Lovers and legions I've seen your whore try not to…
Fascist Jock Itch This'll get on your nerves War torn Night harms right away D…
First Aid those fortunate risk fate to alleviate a fear from within cl…
Gambatte Freeze from a part all endings the same Free from a…
Ghost Man Give it up today average levitation mojo no magic dedicated …
Ghostman Give it up today average levitation mojo no magic dedicated …
Glass Houses Sit in darkness understand what I am is what I…
God's Gift Maggot (another version - background vocal lyrics are correct) W…
Gods Gift sit in darkness understand what i am is what i…
Gods Gift (Maggot) Twilight last gleeming … Mercury with no degree Bloody lies…
Gods Gift Maggot Twilight last gleeming ... Mercury with no degree Bloody lie…
Goneja Dark this heavy past Tension over talking Dark this heavy pa…
Grave Wisdom Dry wind chars human storm lies barren Wasted greed taints w…
Hardset Head Driven with (Event width). Two paths given. Pure force dow…
Hardsethead Driven with (Event width). Two paths given. Pure force d…
Harsh Stone White Harsh stone white eyes behold bruise baths soak crying bones…
Haze Death feels like the butterfly Can't escape the scarred lie…
Hexonxonx miles cable claws driller killer ripping holes tattered clot…
Hospital Waste Blast and raw eye blood shot lid color concealed crimson…
Human Disease Whatever painted part taught deeply enclosed in mother earth…
I In the rain collapse cross out which way we'll go…
I'mmortal Just looking for something Is what to say Keep looking at no…
Ice Breaker Passing ghosts here's the host Talk of nothing matters most…
Icebreaker Passing ghosts here's the host Talk of nothing matters most …
Icktums Burned in rates The sea of hates Our miss Items charged item…
Illisit A police state invents you Give me your name Your birth reco…
Immortal Just looking for something Is what to say Keep looking at no…
Incision Future shock, incision Crystal method in my brain, Magnitude…
Inquisition Blatant manner speak parting Addicted romance love tested Bo…
Intro to Smothered Hope Withered rope you hang what's Empty can't remain to put…
It Dig it Dig it…
It's History Reach point pointless The cliff striped bare False of all …
Jaher It's come to rape the soul The meaning of control It's wai…
Jahya Whose find reach my make it (naked) please me. do…
K-9 "I've got no fucking monitor" "I've got no fucking monitor" …
Killing Game Fallen angel head crashes dead out of control lost memories…
Killing Game (Bent mix) Fallen angel head crashes dead out of control Lost memories …
Knowhere [a leech passing unseen kicked in mouth (firm?) will prove D…
Knowhere? a leech passing unseen kicked in mouth firm will prove…
Lahuman8 Within Passions (Of the?) Sounds Against Twice No sink…
Last Call Trip the long dusty road care denounce no overload In as…
Left Hand Shake I think I'm water I sickness grows inside Help me…
Left Handshake I think I'm water My sickness grows inside Help me out of…
lestiduZ It's lost a time to lye Into his world you…
Love Love Love Love...…
Love in Vein Dreams not waking creeping down inside the quiet urns listen…
Love In Vein ) Dreams not waking creeping down inside the quiet urns liste…
Magnifishit I am the liar's nation, oh yeah I am the undisputed…
Manwhole [Bonus track]…
Mirror Saw [whispered]: Whirlwind blow blowing in ??? the ??? message e…
Monster Radio Man I swear I'm innocent. I know who it is, I…
Morpheus Laughing An extreme solution no fossil fuel mimicking Exhaust rattles…
Morphous All so pure Hard to see Layers crack the surface Remains …
Morphous (demo version) All so pure Hard to see Layers crack the surface Remains his…
Morter Killer in the morning scent of rain come on Fills the…
My Voice Sounds Like Shit You're so damned intimidating No fucking problem People pic…
Nature's Revenge weather turning towards a storm broken down road continue …
Nature's Revenge (alternate studio version) weather turning towards a storm broken down road continue on…
Natures Revenge weather turning towards a storm broken down road continue …
Neuwerld Neuwerld order pissing on a river on the way a…
Ode to Groovy Dog has sight feels pain sorry Not quite as dumb as…
One Time One Place In the rain collapse cross out which way we'll go…
Optimissed Gettin' out Gettin' out Gettin' out [Repeat x3] To know, t…
Overdose Cancer in the eye Seeks truth, of the open wound Exercising …
Ovirt We have found in past excuses shrinking hands extending serv…
Paragun Yeah were gonna all see A truth born sayer or…
Past Present Is this pure reality could we be led to believe…
Pasturn Aching eyes more blood entail Shaped how nor why it feels…
Pedafly Sitting there pecking at the picture of perfection Waking a…
Plasicage War is this cloud Such a plastic fantasy Can't escape Not al…
Point Yeah yeah yeah It's there can they feel it It's there can…
Politikil Must be leading the lightning socket Read backwards are fuc…
Politikill Skinny Puppy Mythmaker PolitikiL Must be leading the lightni…
Pro-test Hit me on the street While waiting to do nothing Where withi…
Process Alternative - mass control Diversification and guilt Jealou…
Process 2 Alternative - mass control diversification and guilt Jealous…
Punk in Park Zoo's (instrumental)…
Quiet Solitude Scream pain Screech for life Grown ice cold Sold out with…
Rain These barriers disintegrating put forth fall bait the hook b…
Rash Reflection Notice that phrase thorough vileness of his Delivery ninety …
Reclamation ??? "Hey, man, I think I see electricity in those clouds." "…
Rivers Let's get things nice and sparkling clean It's part of the…
Rodent Level edge backs against the ledge no knives the stone…
saLvo Translation to interfere exist on to disappear some ties fli…
Scared Mother War is coming Disease ??? revelation ??? th…
Scrapyard "I'm a skate- I'm a skate-..." One must believe in Alter th…
Second Tooth (Not much need) distraught wake up in sweat Something is ver…
Shadow Cast Magnified fear stares back the mirror reflect Depravity the …
shore line poison Trials administer tidal oil that suffocating Base the fire g…
Shore Lined Poison (remix) trials administer tidal oil that suffocating base the fire g…
Sleeping Beast Early one morning shattering life in the face The finest cre…
Smothered Hope Withered rope you hang what's Empty can't remain to put…
Social Deception Elladonna Each cry Passing incandescent creatures Dark reces…
Solvent Silence the deadly golden cry out don't stay behind Stay up…
Sore in a Masterpiece / Dead of Winter [something buried in intro about 20 seconds in]:"can't belie…
Spahn Dirge hate??? you dream sees someone going that voice i see…
Sparkless You should decide which backwards speaking should be ??? par…
Spasmolytic Making time in a low rent highrise No place to go…
State Aid guilty red spot skin cervix holds your fate condom brother…
Survivalisto Serving, testing, armed race begun Depleted, uranium, flower…
T.F.W.O Treason trapping animal hide in the vision of Paradise two e…
T.F.W.O. treason trapping animal hide in the vision of paradise two …
T.F.W.O. (live 1990) treason trapping animal hide in the vision of paradise two…
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Jezebel Fatale
found my first album at 14, still listening at 41.:)
iAMaVOIDtripper GutterSlush666
Whoa mine 13. And I happen to be 41 too. Wicked! Really Dig oGhR too! 👂🔥🤘
Dario Palčić
Puppy today... no more, no less to add... fantastic... start loving them as teenager... hope will produce similar till am retired...
Kevin White
Consider yourself high fived mate :)
@Lord Sniper
Lord Sniper
High five :-)
ayy lmao
I normally wouldn't dig something like this but I'm digging this a lot
TheCorrectViews
There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that know that this is amazing and idiots. It IS THAT DAMN SIMPLE>
dvrapant
If you dont like it than why are you here?
Maxander2001
@TheCorrectViews I think it is both subjective and not subjective. One should watch out for getting stuck in dichotomous thinking. If it is so (both options plus more), it would certainly invalidate what the politically correct view expressed above tried to claim. :)
TheCorrectViews
@Maxander2001
You know. There IS good and bad. It is NOT subjective.