Pathetic Wankers
Stonestorm is the cold but refreshing breeze of modern rock that brings up … Read Full Bio ↴Stonestorm is the cold but refreshing breeze of modern rock that brings up your skirt or freezes your nuts. They have released two EP's (Stonestorm 2007 and Lucid 2009) and now they are back with fresh and fierce material straight from their training place. No pro-studios, no producers, no mastering - just Stonestorm style random tweaking!!

The four new songs are: Liars/ Antiplan/ Blurry Encounters In A Miserable Dream/ Beat Me Up

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Claudio Panno - vocals, guitars
Pekka Huovinen - drums
Antti Huhtala - bass
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Fool12

Although AlphaOmegaSin is quite crass and explained his points in a not so nice manner, I think that most of his arguments hold water. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course...and should never be shat on for voicing said opinion, which Alpha clearly had trouble with. 

I believe that artists should do whatever they want, whatever vile thing they can come up with without the fear of criticism. In my eyes atleast, art is just a reflection of reality. Rap music dwells a lot on violence and hard life in the ghetto...And while those subjects are overplayed by certain "gangstas", these were and still are real life issues. I think that the art covers on Cannibal Corpse albums are absolutely disgusting, but i still respect the band for being brutally honest with how they feel (on top of them being really fucking brave). 

In the case of video games, I think that the only aspects that should be criticized are the gameplay, mechanics, story, esthetics...etc. I don't believe that a game should be criticized for being too violent or because it doesn't have enough people of color in it (although it would be nice if there were). You speak of hoping to see video games in a museum and be seen in a manner that they're celebrated, but to be honest, what does it matter? I feel like games should speak for themselves, without too many people butting it and try to make games more "accessible" or more "baby friendly" for mass appeal. People who dismiss gaming just because of violent games were probably never going to bother with gaming in the first place, they were never willing to look below the surface and don't realize that there are beautiful games out there that are truly pieces of art. And just because some dudes have developped a game in which you proceed to cut a demon in two with a chainsaw and stick a dildo up its desecrating ass doesn't mean they're bad people (I hope so anyway...). 

That's my take anyway, apologies if I misinterpreted points in you video. Thank you for your honesty and your video, I think that they're greatly needed.

Miranda Adria

@***** "However, I never felt like the devs should have been held accountable for something like that. I have a problem with SJWs who demand things from developpers, such as the removal of features in a game they don't like, that's just plain arrogance."

The problem isn't that the devs should have been "forced" (as if ess jay dubayoos really have the power to force anyone to do anything) to add PoC; it's that they should have been there from the get-go. As I stated before, video games are a worldwide phenomenon there, and not taking that worldwide market into consideration is lazy, naive, and a poor marketing strategy. How are you going to make a game that will be bought by people around the world and then forget that more than 50% of your audience isn't white? it isn't like the game was only released in Europe and nowhere else.

"And what's wrong with enjoying a game that it's sole reason for existing is for shock value and ridiculously violent? If we're looking to popular media to be our moral compass then we're in for a world of pain. Fix the real world first, then fix the media. Anyway, I think we're just going in circles at this point."

This comment stems from a position of privilege, because you think video games are somehow not the real world; they most certainly are. For me? As a woman? They ARE part of my real world. What I see in the games I play and love and critique is part of who I am, who I grew up to be, and who I will become. Like any other form of media, entertainment, or culture, they need to be viewed in context, because no man-made creation exists in a vacuum. Man-made creations have an origin, and the media is simply an extension of what that origin wants to convey.

"You're right, everyone should be able to voice their opinion. This is more of a harassment problem from both sides than anything else. I don't think that we're ever going to find any common ground, but I appreciate your reply as it has thrown some insight my way. I thought that most SJWs were out there to be offended just for the sake of being offended, but that's clearly not always the case. "

Not a problem, dude. You have a good weekend, too.

Fool12

@Miranda Adria


Sorry, I wasn't clear enough on the people of color thing, my damn short term memory playing up as always. I was referring to the Witcher 3 fiasco. I never really bought the whole "there's no people of color in this game because of slavic mythology" and never understood why some people were so against the idea of people of color being in the game. However, I never felt like the devs should have been held accountable for something like that. I have a problem with SJWs who demand things from developpers, such as the removal of features in a game they don't like, that's just plain arrogance. You can voice your opinion all you want, but be civil about it. I guess you're right, I don't really care about people of color being in the game, but I wasn't against the idea of them being in the game either. Gameplay in video games always comes first.


I also think it's unfair to assume that people who don't care about representation in popular media don't care about these issues in real life. Granted, you're probably not going to see me protesting in the streets any time soon for the women in Saudi Arabia that are part of a dogshit religion sect that prevents them from driving and voting, but I'm aware of these things happening. I'm not an expert on those subjects of course.


And what's wrong with enjoying a game that it's sole reason for existing is for shock value and ridiculously violent? If we're looking to popular media to be our moral compass then we're in for a world of pain. Fix the real world first, then fix the media. Anyway, I think we're just going in circles at this point.


You're right, everyone should be able to voice their opinion. This is more of a harassment problem from both sides than anything else. I don't think that we're ever going to find any common ground, but I appreciate your reply as it has thrown some insight my way. I thought that most SJWs were out there to be offended just for the sake of being offended, but that's clearly not always the case.


Cheers, and have a good weekend.

Miranda Adria

@***** Oh boy, where to start with this...

"Although AlphaOmegaSin is quite crass and explained his points in a not so nice manner, I think that most of his arguments hold water."

Yea..... no. No they don't. Ignoring the problematic nature of popular media does not solve a thing. All it does is create a generation of ignorant jackasses who would rather stick their heads in the sand and pretend that things like racism, sexism, and other bad shit doesn't exist. I'm sorry, but I'm not OK with that kind of irresponsibility. People can avoid reading or watching things they don't like as much as he thinks they should, but there are still people out there who DO read and watch those things. Does media create bad people? No, not directly. However, popular media DOES reinforce the ideas that already bad people currently have.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course...and should never be shat on for voicing said opinion, which Alpha clearly had trouble with. "

He has trouble with a lot of things, like evidence, common sense, and basic human decency.

"I believe that artists should do whatever they want, whatever vile thing they can come up with without the fear of criticism. In my eyes atleast, art is just a reflection of reality. Rap music dwells a lot on violence and hard life in the ghetto...And while those subjects are overplayed by certain "gangstas", these were and still are real life issues. think that the art covers on Cannibal Corpse albums are absolutely disgusting, but i still respect the band for being brutally honest with how they feel (on top of them being really fucking brave)."

As an artist of over 25 years, I call bullshit on that whole "artists should do whatever they want" jazz. I am so sick and tired of people using that weak as all hell craptacular excuse. With any man-made creation, be it a work of art or a song or a movie comes RESPONSIBILITY. You can't just claim to have freedom of speech and then not take responsibility for the aftermath of expressing that right.

Yes, art is a reflection of reality, but there are ways to document that reality that does not require using the lowest common denominator purely for the sake of creating shock and awe. One does not need to cater to the crassest and most vulgar aspects of humanity just to prove a point.

"In the case of video games, I think that the only aspects that should be criticized are the gameplay, mechanics, story, esthetics...etc. I don't believe that a game should be criticized for being too violent or because it doesn't have enough people of color in it (although it would be nice if there were)."

You can't have it both ways. Make up your mind. Either your for games having more PoC in them, or you don't give a shit. Those are two contrasting statements. You can't claim that games shouldn't be critiqued for their lack of representation and then in the next breath claim it would be nice if they did have more. That's wishy-washy, dishonest, and indicative of the very problem I'm tired of seeing: people who claim things changing would be nice, but don't actually give a shit enough to even try to change them.

"You speak of hoping to see video games in a museum and be seen in a manner that they're celebrated, but to be honest, what does it matter?"

That's not what I said. I said that the GAMING COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE wanted video games to be treated like works of art, over the course of many years.

"I feel like games should speak for themselves, without too many people butting it and try to make games more "accessible" or more "baby friendly" for mass appeal."

Video games are NO LONGER a "closed door", behind the scenes, small niche media. Get with the program. Video games have now become one of the biggest forms of popular media in the world. You can't just keep believing this mythology that only secluded nerds and single geeks with no friends are the ones enjoying video games. Now that video games have become a worldwide phenomenon, they SHOULD be reflective of the audience they bring in. "Baby friendly"? This mentality right here is what's truly juvenile. You honestly think that people being treated like people in video games and not like throwaway toys or walking talking stereotypes or bullshit cliche one line jokes is somehow "baby friendly". Give me a break.

"People who dismiss gaming just because of violent games were probably never going to bother with gaming in the first place, they were never willing to look below the surface and don't realize that there are beautiful games out there that are truly pieces of art."

You clearly don't know who you're talking to (I grew up on MK and Killer Instinct, pal), and you clearly think gamers haven't been waking up to this realization all around the world. You honestly think that the only people critiquing the content of video games are non-gamers?

"And just because some dudes have developped a game in which you proceed to cut a demon in two with a chainsaw and stick a dildo up its desecrating ass doesn't mean they're bad people (I hope so anyway...)."

Perhaps not. But what does it say about a piece of media if its only purpose for existence is shock value for the sake of being shocking and nothing else? Sure, it has a right to exist, and sure, people don't have to play it. But people like AlphaOmegaSin would rather critics run away with their tails between their legs when they have just as much right to say whatever the fuck they want about that kind of media. THAT'S my problem with people like that. They scream and cry about their supposed "freedom of speech" while blatantly and unashamedly denying others their right to the same.
 
"That's my take anyway, apologies if I misinterpreted points in you video. Thank you for your honesty and your video, I think that they're greatly needed."

Thank you, I appreciate that. I also appreciate you taking the time to write all that out. Most people on YouTube don't even bother, so kudos, dude.

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