Star Wars Theme
The Filmscore Orchestra Lyrics

We have lyrics for 'Star Wars Theme' by these artists:

Da F.U.N.K. (Я) В моей душе будто Star Wars Мы играем в кошки-мышки ты…
Dr. Sleepy Time Something Inside me Has always been there Something Inside …
U.N.K.L.E. Sounds (Я) В моей душе будто Star Wars Мы играем в кошки-мышки ты…
Various Artists dannn dannnnnn dan dan dun dannnnnn dan dun dun'n dun…

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Something's Gotta Give When an irresistible force such as you Meets an old immovab…

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@josephinep4371

4y↑8K

“Our ears should speak for itself” -Brett 2020

@izzairis7705

4y↑55

And our ear goes wading! 😂😂😂

@TashaVanHuss

4y↑10

LMAOOO

@silversmoke3534

4y↑146

A sentence that linguists, philosophers, historians and possibly biologists will discuss from now until eternity

@nedla1811

4y↑35

Make that a shirt now

@sumyguck8094

4y↑5

I'm not a musician anything so when I hear terminology slapping my face, ears get even more confused!! @~@

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@gavrilnugroho8206

4y↑5.9K

Plot twist: composers copied Star Wars as Star Wars is based, “a long time ago in a galaxy far far away”

@3epilapilpepedoblin264

4y↑31

😂👏🏼

@herupinkasova8601

4y↑44

In a GALAXAY FAR FAR AWAY

@gabe7883

4y↑15

FACTS

@christopherderaadt4367

4y↑5

Bruuhhhh

@barlin4972

4y↑26

@@randomfabulouscommenter2749 I hate these "Underrated comment" comments, because it's never true!

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@kosmosyche

29w↑166

Stravinsky: "A good composer doesn't imitate, he steals"
John Williams: "My man, I'm so glad we are on the same page here. And by the same page I literally mean the same page of your Rites of Spring. You are being very helpful indeed, mate, cheers."
Stravinsky: "Hey..."

@hester_of_ravenclaw

15w↑7

UNDERRATED COMMENT

@robertomanfinfla6545

12w

I know, right? 😂😂😂@@hester_of_ravenclaw

@oldbird4601

2y↑712

11:41 this is actually correct, directors will often find outside music as a placeholder before their composer writes original music. The problem is sometimes the directors start falling in love with the original piece forcing the composer to strike a balance between something original and sticking to the placeholder 🥶

@shanekeenaNYC

1y↑9

They do it in marching bands at college football games too. Like, LSU is known for their "neck" chant which has been copied by several other colleges. Alabama's million dollar band has also done Kashmir. I can think of others, but those two are chief among them that I know.

@johnk5398

1y↑11

I wouldnt say its as much the director falling in love with the piece, part of it is the director choosing temp music they already like that fits the mood they are looking for, then the editor sometimes edits the scene to have more rhythm with that music and by the time the composer comes along they have no choice but to create a piece of original music that imitates the temp music that was used during the editing process.

@jlangevin65

1y↑15

Kubrick did this, and in the case of 2001, after listening to the score he'd commissioned he decided he liked his place-holder music better. The composer only learned of this at the premiere, where he was rudely surprised when Also Sprach Zarathustra began playing.

@AdriyelGuarteFilms

1y↑1

Oh hell9 duolingo

@w9gb

51w↑3

@@jlangevin65Alex North … who then took his original composition for 2001 —
and reworked it for “The Shoes of the Fisherman” soundtrack.

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@Kronjus

4y↑7.5K

“A good composer does not imitate; he steals.”
― Igor Stravinsky

@vladiinsky

4y↑415

Williams just took him for his word.

@BixenteFabregas

4y↑240

"John Williams steals too, but he's a bad composer"
- Les Inconnus (à peu près)

@mysteriousgirl1147

4y↑13

@@BixenteFabregas the unknown ?

@maevasu8956

4y↑40

@@mysteriousgirl1147 french reference

@ChatGPT4.0169

4y↑70

Beethoven took the "hammerklavier" from buxtehude, search for "buxtehude - ciacona in e minor", it's the same thing.

I'm a Brazilian, so I don't know if I wrote it right.

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@aj_814

4y↑4K

regular person: (hears holst) is that star wars?
brett and eddy: (hears star wars) is that holst?

@cadentrombone5345

3y↑107

Every classical musician*

@Starglance

3y↑52

Many soundtracks have their sources in "The Planets" by Holst. Like Star Wars, Ben Hur and Alien for example

@jellygang9492

3y↑19

Until today i honestly thought that star wars used holst for the music

@alanpotter8680

3y↑50

@@jellygang9492 That's what George Lucas asked John Williams to do at first: To take Holst's Planets Suite and fit it into the SW movie. Williams told him he'd compose him a new suite in the same style and he did. By the way Williams took a lot more from Holst in his career after the initial SW movie than just these few bits. If you listen to the planets several times, you will find hints of Harry Potter and quite a few other movies he wrote music for.

@jellygang9492

3y↑4

@@alanpotter8680 ooohhh ok thanks

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@pewpews2146

1y↑448

You know you're a classical musician when you say things like "That Augmented 4th is so obvious"

@theyrecousins

1y↑26

you know you're a pop musician when you peg it as a diminished 5th

@Klara_S.

1y↑17

@@theyrecousins and normies call it a tritone

@theyrecousins

1y↑3

@@Klara_S. and it’s a fine day when we can all meet in the middle, between the subdominant and that other one

@tSp289

48w↑10

@@Klara_S. No, norm IES call it “that bit where it goes naaa ‘Nan an naaaaaa’”

@ObeseGramps

22w↑1

I think I’m lost here, I like sounds

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@peaceroolz

2y↑478

One that wasn’t included is the similarity between hedwigs theme from Harry Potter and Tchaikovsky’s Swan Lake. The comparison is pretty uncanny.

@Bucketbrain82

2y↑37

I hear darth vader march in swan lake too. Piano version you can here.

@peace-now

1y↑11

Of course. He copies a genius like Tchaikovsky and botches the copied music.

@peaceroolz

1y↑11

@@Bucketbrain82 shit I never noticed that, you’re right.

@Tenchi707

1y↑4

Nahh

@bestyBboy

1y↑1

Tchaikovsky Waltz of Flower and listen Watlz to death of batman

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@siwy4don

4y↑1.6K

“We’re gonna get copystriked by the copiers”
Palpatine: Ironic.

@captainkaiii

4y↑11

This is outrageous! It's unfair!

@siwy4don

4y↑3

Kevin Take your sit

@desmondyap5391

4y↑3

unlimited powaa!

@Kiloeve

4y↑1

If it happened, it's unironic.

@enso8762

4y↑1

@@Kiloeve irony has nothing to do with it happening or not.

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@elizabethmaraj530

4y↑6.2K

Alternate title: Brett and Eddy dragging John Williams for 13 minutes and 17 seconds

@AlbertSirup

4y↑133

in the business, this is what we call a "sneak roast"

@jakegearhart

4y↑387

It's more them dragging George Lucas. He told Williams to copy classical music.
George Lucas originally intended to score the film exclusively to classical music and even shot scenes specifically with classical pieces in mind (like the trench run scene to Holst's music). Lucas wanted to revitalize orchestral film scoring which had become out of favor by the 70s in favor of pop music and synthesizers and so we have Star Wars to thank for having orchestral film scores today. George Lucas was very hesitant to stray from that plan and it took his friend Steven Spielberg to convince him otherwise and to use John Williams. That's why a ton of A New Hope sounds like classical music. Empire Strikes Back was scored exclusively based on John Williams' own ideas and that film really showcases John Williams' more modern style. It really shows you how genius John Williams is that he can create such different scores from his own style that still sound incredible.
5:59 "The Dune Sea of Tatooine" queue is scored extremely similarly to the Rite of Spring and the Empire in A New Hope uses almost exclusively Holst references. Note that the Imperial March didn't exist in A New Hope at all. That was created by Williams on his own for Empire Strikes back and the other films.
2:17 is an example of Williams inserting his own motifs (this one is the "Rebel fanfare", also heard at 4:41) within George Lucas' strict guidelines.
Within film scoring, it's common practice for a director to already have music put to film in the form of "temp tracks." But the directors often view them as far from temporary. So often film composers are forced to take old music and recreate it.

@JasonShu

4y↑71

Using temp tracks is common practice in film scoring, which composers typically only have a couple months or less to do—I think it’s an overall plus for classical music to have film directors who are familiar with the orchestral repertoire. Stanley Kubrick famously liked his temp track for 2001: A Space Odyssey so much that he abandoned Alex North’s score for the film!

@jakegearhart

4y↑30

@Steffen Bakken There are no Star Wars themes that borrow from Chopin's Funeral March. I think you're trying to compare it to the Imperial March because they're both minor marches that have sections that go back and forth between two chords. But that's where the similarities end. The chords are not the same, the melody is completely different, and the Funeral March is much slower.

@bencze465

4y↑23

When you think of it the guy made a lot of fame and money off it. And these are the corporations that screw everyone over with the copyright stuff when you might not even make a cent off it.

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@highstimulation2497

1y↑112

The look of disbelief on my students' faces when I showed them the star wars/holst connections... always delights me no end.

@macwinter7101

1y↑5

You should have them read the Dune books by Frank Herbert and then watch Star Wars, there will be even more disbelief. And for the record, Dune was written before Star Wars.

@peace-now

1y↑4

@@macwinter7101 Williams has a huge staff of musicians and computers trawling through all music that has ever been written. The get a whole lot of motifs (pieces of music) and paste them together. If something doesn't quite work, the staff collaborate to come up with an idea that corrects the imbalance. Most of the finished product is a mish mash of ideas that start off well (stealing a Wagner motif, say) but wanders off into a strange direction and loses its way.

@joshfacio9379

Is that true? Thats really interestering if so.

@omni-impotent9278

1y↑264

As a star wars fan, and a musician, I don't know how to feel about this video.

@veronicaluz9189

1y↑42

John williams has long been explaining to people his classical music inspirations, which is where his title of "last of the great classical composers" amongst enthusiasts comes from. So feel a little proud to be part of both cool communities? Idk

@benjaminlowery9782

1y↑10

Film composition is generally done in accordance to a "temp-track" provided by the director which says "this is basically the music I want." Rick Beato has a video on film scoring that explains this

@Tenchi707

1y↑23

John Williams is great and always will be

@upplysta3497

1y↑2

Some make a fuss out of everything. No need to stress about it.

@colbyzur4642

45w↑4

George Lucas is actually the main reason because he was pretty strict with wanting parts to sound like the orchestral music he was listening to while writing

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@urmimaitra15

4y↑1.9K

"You don't mess with Tchaikovsky."
That's right, because you get the cannons otherwise.

@user-km9bx3gf3z

4y↑4

Oop-

@thomasgallagher6935

4y↑32

The canons? No. The cannons.

@user-lk4jd5yc8d

4y↑4

What about Harry Potter?

@keira7143

4y↑15

@@user-lk4jd5yc8d yeah, didnt one of the main themes of Harry Potter copy dance of the swans by Tchaikovsky?

@teoweisyuen9254

4y↑7

And it’s 16 cannon shots if I’m not wrong?

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@matejgrabnar2922

4y↑2.2K

For Star Wars, George Lucas wanted Holst’s Planets as music for the movie.

@outgoingblur

4y↑41

Actually?

@lucyf9034

4y↑422

@@outgoingblur Yes, and John Williams convinced him that an entire new score based on the piece was better. It wasnt exactly copied.

@crarytrombone9672

4y↑66

I wanted to comment John Williams has sharingan but after this comment imma not

@kwanarchive

4y↑123

@@lucyf9034 No, Lucas put the Planets as incidental music for a cut to show John Williams the style he wanted, but the idea was always for him to write a new score.

@natedecoco615

4y↑6

The main theme was also inspired

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@Smurgles

1y↑91

Some years ago when I was helping teach music at a homeschool co-op, I wanted to introduce the kids to classical music. I knew I could get the attention of the older kids if I played Mars. As soon as they heard it they sat up and started commenting how it sounded just like Star Wars music. From then on they were open to listening to more classics. :)

@alanbriker6398

1y↑29

Has anyone mentioned the “similarity” between the love music (flight scene)in Superman and one of the Enigma Variations.

@RinoaDestiny

1y↑2

Part of the Superman March also takes from Mars, The Bringer of War, IMO. Especially around three minutes nineteen seconds on the Superman March compared to a later section in Mars with a similar progression of notes.

@oliviapereira364

4y↑15.6K

Star Wars took the "CLONE Wars" way too literally.

@YeemasterAmateurPiano

4y↑227

underrated comment,

@mirceapintelie361

4y↑48

🤣🤣

@Jo-ho3zl

4y↑75

Wayyyy toooo literally

@outgoingblur

4y↑69

I mean alot of composers took some of the other composers parts of other pieces.

@outgoingblur

4y↑96

Well George Lucas originally wanted classical music for star wars.

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@carlaholm5574

4y↑2K

I played the cd of Holst for some elementary school kids and they said “That’s Star Wars!”

@dubbleyou248

4y↑32

nice.

replying instead of liking because you're on 23 likes

@zeinfeimrelduulthaarn7028

4y↑7

@@dubbleyou248 What is on 23 ?

@quartersmart3011

4y↑21

What has our world become!?

@maddiebernard2520

smh

@dubbleyou248

@@zeinfeimrelduulthaarn7028 he was on 23 likes. 23 is some funny thing I dunno

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@PentaGonPicturesltd

1y↑51

It fascinating because Korngold's version doesn't leave the same impression with me as the John Williams. I see the similarities, but the effects of the changes are so drastically, dramatically different that it's hard to compare them in a "copying" or "stealing" sense - kinda of like not ruling a plunger a deadly weapon because a murder was committed with one. Now, Baby Shark is definitely Just Can't Get Enough by Depeche Mode.

@neo9560

42w↑3

Anyone can improve something but having the idea is the hardest thing not a fan of Williams

@mPerfect_

17w↑2

@@neo9560what about all of Williams’ other original works?

@JanHaasler

2y↑14

Thanks for pointing those relations out. After listening to some pieces of "The Planets" I realized even more references. The "Braveheart" melody or the "Hobbit" melody (Howard Shore) share some similarities (like in the 4th piece of the suite which is Jupiter. I imagine this and many other pieces inspire the Film music composers. Modest Mussorgski's pieces (like Die Nacht auf dem kahlen Berge) are Programmmusik and deliver many Leitmotifs to pictures, places, stories and so on. Wow
"The Kings row" even contains main motives for John William's Superman melody...

@howimettheopera

4y↑881

Stravinsky’s music in 1913: controversial and scandalous
Stravinsky’s music in 1977: fit for a mainstream space film

@Abcpii

4y↑13

It wasn't mainstream in 1977. Actually the first movie was fully independent

@bazzfromthebackground3696

4y↑5

Stravinsky music in 2020: "Wow, John Williams is old!"

@bqueuebed3

4y↑5

Yea that's true. I think right after The Rite of Spring's premiere, people actually rioted because they hated it so much. Yet some would argue that that piece ushered in a new era of modern 20th century music and (cough) COPYING!!!

@O-sa-car

52w↑2

@@Infixfun The Rite of Spring was a ballet

@eustacequinlank7418

19w↑2

@@Infixfun "Stravinsky intended his music to be listened to on its own"

It is a ballet, not only that, the sounds of the dancers are audible to a live audience when it is performed.

Why do people nowadays simply enjoy spouting misinformation about absolutely everything and anything? It is becoming 'Teletubby Land' out there for a reason, if you find yourself moaning about the confusing state of the world at any point in your life, please remember your contribution to that state of affairs before doing so.

Odd, we are talking about Plato and mimesis really (copying), and here is an example of bad information being formed copied and spread. You can move on to reading Adorno and Derrida later on to see why this becomes a problem.

@tarsierowl

4y↑767

They look like they just got filled in with the latest gossip like "No, he didn't. He DID???? OMG"

@brunoescoto9630

4y↑11

I was the same tbh haha

@mariegemma2465

4y↑2

Xoxo Gossip Girl😂

@franciscalabia8008

4y↑2

😂

@angelika9396

1y↑17

Regarding Rachmaninov, loving Beethoven, Tchaikovsky and Wagner previously, my husband introduced me to Rachmaninov, and it was not an instant love, but now, Rachmaninov is just soo wonderful 😍

@billynorth2391

1y↑21

John Williams was an orchestrator initially. He knows his way around 20th century Music.

@hiltonwee

4y↑1.9K

TwoSetViolin: we’re gonna get copyrighted by the copiers.

George Lucas: How the turntables

@yunogasai5947

4y↑9

How the table turnz

@joeylessard8444

4y↑9

Micheal from the office

@draykeblack

4y↑4

There's pretty much nothing whatsoever original in Star Wars including the plot(s). Its basically always been a paraphrase of many different works amalgamated together. It worked out very well, and became very popular and I never had any issue with it. I did however take offense when Lucas Film started suing things like Buck Rogers for copyright infringement when the only legal leg they had to stand on was more money to bully the courts. Lucas will always be a super douche in my eyes thanks to such behavior.

@JeighNeither

I'll go with *How the tables have turned.

@stringcussion9154

4y↑4

Jeigh Neither can you see the joke flying over your head?

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@qazwerspoil

4y↑986

Stravinsky said “A great composer doesn’t borrow, he steals”

@xebra2454

4y↑46

Me with pirated music: B E E T H O V E N

@DickEnchilada

4y↑14

No, I think that was John Williams.

@jbthepianist

4y↑2

He’s correct

@EmptyHand49

4y↑37

Stravinsky stole that quote as well

@sleepup7931

4y↑5

hey Steve jobs said the same

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@consonaadversapars

1y↑30

Lucas told Williams to do it. The thing is, Williams can actually write classical/romantic/modernistic symphonic pieces no matter if he uses stuff from other composers or not... which is not the case with modern hollywood composers who may steal ideas, but can't put together compositions on the level of classical masters.

@MaryKateMcNally

11w↑2

Sorry to reply so long after you commented, but his Bassoon concerto is just SO good. I desperately need people to listen to his non-film music.

@FightOn207

10w

@@MaryKateMcNallysame with the cello concerto I’m going to watch yo yo ma play it so excited!

@aydenrozzelle7691

1y↑56

The Dune Sea of Tatooine could also be inspired by Saturn, Bringer of Old Age.

@hashdankhog8578

jupiter was jollity, not old age.

@aydenrozzelle7691

@@hashdankhog8578 Just now noticing thanks.

@iandugger1168

4y↑616

You already know Starwars and The Planets are gonna be on this video.

@iandugger1168

4y↑9

Wow, predicted it.

@juliagranger9651

4y↑23

And Dvorák and jaws

@user-ts6os4xn1x

4y↑1

Jaws too

@SenShiness

4y↑1

String Music HD music isn’t the only thing they “take” without credit , they also use fan artist work and claim it as thrs lol

@hannahpedrasa2933

4y↑6

Ur fookin profile pic tho

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@n1ng101

4y↑762

“We’re going to be copystriked by copiers”

@Carpatouille

4y↑15

And so they were, what a wonderful world...

@sammybeaver9130

4y↑2

@@Carpatouille lol

@ChengHorn9

2y↑24

I would hope some of these classical composers would be flattered that their music has been given new life in movies and other media.

@OdinWright

1y↑7

I'm actually playing King's Row in band this semester! It was a suggestion from one of the other students. Have to say, it was REAL difficult to get down because all I heard was Star Wars.

@leonpetrich5864

4y↑700

To be fair though, many directors tell the composers: hey man have you heard of insert piece by *insert composer*? I want it just like that!

@mickeyrube6623

4y↑72

I was told by a film composer, "If you want to make a living composing original music, using your artistic voice by interpreting the visual art of directors, don't go to school to be a film composer. Become a T.V. show theme and commercial jingle writer. They want very new and original music, and with one hit, you'll probably become rich."

@jasonschuler2256

4y↑49

Another thing, since the composer is usually brought on near the end of the movie-making process, is that they'll usually use stand-in music (i.e. music from existing works) when reviewing the scene while the score is being composed. The problem is that the director then becomes so attached to the stand-in music that they basically tell the composer to just emulate it.

@chinncannon

4y↑15

@@jasonschuler2256 which is how 2001 a space odyssey ended up with Strauss instead of the composer they hired, Alex North. Google it and listen to north's music, it's pretty cool... just not quite Strauss

@bradleyrossbach3875

4y↑5

The use of temp tracks and bringing composers in late in the process is definitely to blame

@lotusinn3

Yeah, but it’s really not much of an issue. The end result is usually favorable.

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@caseyhanford7522

4y↑3.2K

A lot of movie edits are put together before the score is written using a temp soundtrack of existing works. Sometimes the director gets very attached to a certain sound and wants it recreated. So, a lot of Williams' "copying" comes from the demands of the director that the score recreate the temp track.

@Blagmafuga

4y↑409

Beat me to it! I was also going to mention this. It's important to remember that the film composer does not have absolute creative control over the music, but rather should first and foremost respect the director's choices, so if the director asks the composer to be as close as possible to the temp score, the composer pretty much has no choice but to "copy."
I think these examples don't show a lack of originality by the composers, but rather show the pervasiveness of editing with temp scores, a practice that can ultimately hinder a composer's creativity.

@taniapandia4264

4y↑91

whoa this is new knowledge to me, thank you for sharing!

@bee5158

4y↑11

This is really cool!

@hazelencarnado236

4y↑83

Why can't they just use the soundtrack of the existing work as it is? Why does the composer need to "copy" it and give it a different name but this time under his name as the composer? Honestly just curious. Thank you

@chiri9391

4y↑25

@@hazelencarnado236 maybe its not always in public domain? Idk

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@aliceinwonder8978

1y↑5

Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor shows up in a lot of places:
movie Pirates of the Carribean - Kraken's theme
tv show Naruto - Orochimaru theme
band Nightwish - also copied for like 8 bars in their song "greatest show on earth"

I've listened to very little classical music in my life but I started seeing it everywhere once I did

@phoebiustyn7859

27w↑3

Love your Chanel !
In fact for me and a number of friends these movie composers where a good way to discover romantic and classical music. If think we should at least thank them to open a new gate for kids to that culture.
Thank you for your work!

@BiRainbow29

4y↑730

"We're gonna get copystriked by the copiers!" -Eddy 2020
Life is so ironic. Please support these two insanely talented musicians.

@grant1753

4y↑3

INTRESTING :P

@evawahyuni1886

4y↑8

Buy the new merch guys😂

@liesl1962

4y↑3

Palpatine: ironic

@wwolf0948

4y↑2

INTERESTINGGG

@BiRainbow29

4y↑1

@@grant1753 😂

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@rithanyakannan6009

4y↑506

“We’re gonna get copystriked by the copiers” - Eddy 2020

@idk7721

4y↑5

BIG PP BRAIN NRG

@AiLoveGaara

4y↑5

It's Copyin'ception!

@BiRainbow29

4y↑1

Yep.

@MilcahsGame

4y↑1

Katy Perry is shaking

@dreamarcher4018

2y↑10

I always thought that Prokofiev’s Montagues and Capulets Sounded like Williams Darth Vader theme (it could have melded, in my mind at least with Williams). I feel he was definitely inspired by that piece.

@Fredo_Viola

2y↑6

Alfred Schnittke’s last movement of his “In memoriam” sounds so similar to the William’s Planet krypton theme from Superman. The film has the theme played on a trumpet, and Schnittke uses an organ, but it’s so similar to me, at least the main figure. Schnittke takes it immediately to a much darker and more complex place.

@hb712

4y↑2.8K

I don’t see anyone talking about this, but Williams actually got permission from the Korngold estate to write his opening theme so expressly similar

@talyalubit4067

4y↑188

But those composers should have been some of the 1st names to come up in the credits.

@thewriterssociety8670

4y↑133

@@talyalubit4067 not when they are a "remix". Williams still had his own stuff in the theme. so no need for credits

@talyalubit4067

4y↑172

@@thewriterssociety8670 legally, maybe its fine. But I think he SHOULD'VE given credit. The only reason not to would be if he's trying to make it seem like it was an original.

@IRudra

4y↑32

@@talyalubit4067 here comes the law😎 which decides what is legit and what it s not whatever most people will think about. No one said law is always logical for everyone. That is why Creative Commons license is better because you decide how people may use your work ( even though some won't care about it.... The kind of person who thinks everything is free on internet)

@Hudpower

4y↑78

@@talyalubit4067 Williams wrote hours of music for this. Many sections were inspired and excepts ant hat tips to other peices, If he had permission, there is no reason why he needed to put that there. But also, do you really think John Williams had any say over that? Im guessing that all of that is upto disney.

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@jkracken358

3y↑2.6K

My first theory teacher prefaced our end of the semester composition project with, “Anything you write has already been written before”.

@tejasnair3399

3y↑111

Especially if you actually purposefully steal it

@julianfrederick9082

3y↑33

Great so your teacher was a liar.

@seanjamesmacleod241

3y↑47

Exactly it’s hard not to match something at one point or another.

@KinkyLettuce

3y↑17

That only applies to basic tonal music in a sense. Concert music composers are still writing highly original works these days, like Thomas Ades

@ogthekingofbashan333

3y↑76

"After you've heard a chromatic scale, everything else is just a remix"—a wise YouTube commenter.

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@AdamSantos-xw9bg

1y↑159

In defense of Hans Zimmer, his music was for a "war" so he purposefully referenced Holtz "Mars." I loved that he used "Mars" there. Creatively done!!

@jonathanrenfro7126

43w↑7

Plus it being not just about war, but the Roman god of war. I think the song perfectly fits the chaos of battle.

@terranceparsons5185

22w

I agree, Holst's Mars is so evocative, and Zimmer's treatment of it is excellent.

@cauaoliveira5882

20w

@@alpinoalpini3849are you kidding right?

@haniaskawska9701

2y↑9

I love how excited they get finding the similarities between each pieces

@queengreentea8149

4y↑373

Film Music: "Can i copy your homework?"
Classical Music: "Sure. Just don't make it too obvious."

@brunoescoto9630

4y↑7

hahaha that john williams is really something

@xavierignatiuscordeiro8336

4y↑12

@@brunoescoto9630 I'm not sure you understand how these things work. Williams himself acknowledges that these motifs are copied, but the point is that it wasn't his decision. And the point is that the vast majority of his music is original. Look at the 8 other SW films. They use much more entirely new music. And it doesn't stop at Star Wars. He's written several dozens of films and even writes his own classical music. I like TwoSet but I was shocked that they didn't know something that most of us knew years ago.

@windowscrashed5358

4y↑2

Like the good and old Portugese saying:
"Copia, mas não faz igual".
Which translates to: "Copy, but don't make the same"

@nargesroyaei6608

4y↑1

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 wow !

@nargesroyaei6608

4y↑1

But it's necessary to inspire the other pieces . If it wasn't like this , we haven't the great pieces like Bach D minor , Vivaldi A minor , Küchler D major and Etc ...
Especially , Küchler D major is a variation of Vivaldi A minor .

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@albert-bc2ln

4y↑416

Watching Brett and eddy sometimes feels like I’m third wheeling on a date

@Roma-kp4qg

4y↑28

Especially those videos that are full of inside jokes

@user-ro1co4lm4j

4y↑1

like sanna and hillary 😂😂

@tsvv2963

4y↑1

Omg so true

@izzairis7705

4y↑8

Come watch the video they say, it's going to be fun they say 😂

@cupa6285

Yess!

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@robfalconer234

2y↑1

I appreciate what you are saying and your comments are insightful rather than blatant. A lot of film composers self-borrow, such as Malcolm Arnold using the same theme for at least three films, and even Andre Previn reusing part of 'Two for the Seesaw' in 'The Fortune Cookie.' But have you heard Leighton Lucas' score for 'Ice Cold in Alex'? It's a good score but one main theme is frighteningly like 'Star Wars' (but he did write this after 'Kings Row,' although before 'Star Wars.'

@Shamsithaca

1y↑2

I had to add, that that Korngold part was just so beautiful and sweet...sigh...made me shed a tear it really moved me.

@sagaperalakarlsson4012

4y↑813

Fun fact: directors sometimes put classical music over a scene before the actual music is finished and they sometimes end up wanting something similar to the classical piece. I believe that’s the case with that piece that was similar to the rite of spring.

@janne7263

4y↑50

Yeah, the original starwars had 0 budget for music when they started. So, for example, they were gonna straight up use Holst in the movie. They only hired Williams when they got funding and then wanted him to compose something similar

@8LyJu8

4y↑9

Yes! I remember Gustavo Santaolalla saying he loved to work with Ang Lee because he composed the music before and then Lee made the actors listen to the music so they would know how it should feel in each scene.

Edit: this was about Brokeback Mountain.

@toivo9060

4y↑16

@LING LING GRANGER yes, for many non classical music listeners Holst is 'boring'. Movie music is made to sound good for today's casual listeners. They make it as catchy and exciting as possible to make it memorable for most watchers of the movie. There's nothing wrong with not liking classical music.

@nathanliteroy9835

4y↑8

They often do this now, composers talked about the bane of temp tracks a lot.
In case of Star Wars, it was directly inspired by old serials, so why wouldn't it have serial-like music theme. It's just like the text crawl - it didn't come out of nowhere, Lucas didn't come up with it and never pretended to, it's a homage to older movies.

@craman7508

4y↑1

Are they not supposed to credit it though?

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@chiri9391

4y↑779

People: classical music is old and boring
Me: diD yOu kNoW

@BourdeoixEterno

4y↑6

Nah I went to go see an All State Symphony and it was intense, dynamics in classical are crazy

@chiri9391

@@BourdeoixEterno right!??

@chiri9391

4y↑4

@SaKuGa SeNsEi yess like i cant study to classical music its too fun

@DanielFahimi

4y↑1

I can relate LOL.

@julissaflores4906

4y↑12

@@chiri9391 Ikr! I'm doing homework and get distracted by the piece and then I just sit there listening instead of doing homework

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@margaritavillalobos7791

2y↑5

another one that i kind of noticed myself was how similar Hedwigs theme in Harry Potter sounds sooo similar to Swan Lake Op. 20 i always get the two confused because it sounds similar

@paxielle

2y↑63

I feel bad for the composers that never get the credit they deserve...

@peace-now

1y↑5

Like Bruckner, Schubert and Mendelssohn.

@stephenstarr6388

1y↑14

I can assure you they don't feel bad.

@Tobythefirst1

1y↑1

@@stephenstarr6388 Because they are dead.

@upplysta3497

1y↑7

John Williams has always thanked the composers extensively and has never made any secret of the fact that there are compositions with classical influences. Unfortunately, this is not mentioned in this video. I wonder why 😎

@ebc6970

20w↑2

@@upplysta3497 Cause they and most people probably didn't know? Brett literally said it's the first time hearing the Star Wars theme. Also, the point still stands, the original composers don't get enough credit, regardless of whether John Williams thanked them or not.

@colinward2833

4y↑864

This is the musical equivalent of "Who wore it better?"

@dominoplay3712

3y↑11

Or who stole it?

@Yellowbuzz-ug6of

3y↑15

@@dominoplay3712 more like “who got permission to make a remix of a song while still having to do hours of writing and work to get the final product

@dominoplay3712

3y↑1

@@Yellowbuzz-ug6of didn't do much, so yeah, it's stolen

@CarynDPrescott

3y↑1

Haha

@elcapitan3838

3y↑11

@@dominoplay3712 lol go score nine 2 hour films and make almost a full day’s worth of music

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@seanseresinhe1418

4y↑476

Me: The chord
Eddy with perfect pitch: The augmented fourth
Me: Yeah that's what I said

@twinicebear775

4y↑30

You don’t need perfect pitch to identify chords

@adolescenterevoltado9008

4y↑13

Isn't that Relative pitch?

@DragonForce1393

4y↑9

You need PRACTICE

@mikecliburn9835

4y↑6

Augmented fourth is the easiest chord to here, used in everything. Has nothing to do with perfect pitch. Perfect pitch is being able to identify notes, not chords

@appleslab-piano8071

4y↑4

Mike Cliburn but When YOu CaN ideNtiFy nOtes Then YoU can IdenTify ChorDs

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@w9gb

51w↑3

The film, “The Right Stuff” actually used G. Holst “Planets” (Mars) for specific action sequences.
It fit the film very well , before then going to original pieces.
==
Korngold excerpts were used in many BBC TV programs.

@LuisFernandoMataPsC

2y↑21

There was this time when I was 15, when I started on music, learning guitar, his was arround 1998. And I got inspired by a friend that started composing so I decided to writ a song of my own, and I came up with a wonderful acoustic guitar piece that some band named Metallica had the nerve to publish in 1990... Unknowingly and being a beginner at guitar, I, unintentionally wrote "Nothing else matters".
This happened to many of my musician friends, comming up with a new composition and it turned out to be already a well known song or piece.
They say that after learning the chromatic scale, everything is a rip-off

@peace-now

I can imagine, and I believe you.

@liamward3541

4y↑951

One could argue that both Holst and John Williams copied the “Mars motif” from the first movement of Mahler 2

@GallopingWalrus

4y↑38

Heard it here first Holst was a big fat phony.

@Trageberaterin

4y↑50

Also Star Trek in Mahler 1. Hearing Mahler means hearing almost every Soundtrack there is. I still love all of it - Mahler, Korngold, Holst, Williams, Shore,... beautiful music anyway.

@jakegearhart

4y↑182

Fun fact about the original Star Wars:
George Lucas originally intended to score the film exclusively to classical music and even shot scenes specifically with classical pieces in mind (like the trench run scene to Holst's music). Lucas wanted to revitalize orchestral film scoring which had become out of favor by the 70s in favor of pop music and synthesizers and so we have Star Wars to thank for having orchestral film scores today. George Lucas was very hesitant to stray from that plan and it took his friend Steven Spielberg to convince him otherwise and to use John Williams. That's why a ton of A New Hope sounds like classical music. Empire Strikes Back was scored exclusively based on John Williams' own ideas and that film really showcases John Williams' more modern style. It really shows you how genius John Williams is that he can create such different scores from his own style that still sound incredible.
5:59 "The Dune Sea of Tatooine" queue is scored extremely similarly to the Rite of Spring and the Empire in A New Hope uses almost exclusively Holst references. Note that the Imperial March didn't exist in A New Hope at all. That was created by Williams on his own for Empire Strikes back and the other films.
2:17 is an example of Williams inserting his own motifs (this one is the "Rebel fanfare", also heard at 4:41) within George Lucas' strict guidelines.
Within film scoring, it's common practice for a director to already have music put to film in the form of "temp tracks." But the directors often view them as far from temporary. So often film composers are forced to take old music and recreate it.

@be3469

4y↑6

@@jakegearhart Thanks for the clarity!

@yu-hengwang8338

4y↑2

Wow good observation!

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@apricotsoup

4y↑368

They sound like detectives that just cracked a case.

"It's stravinsky!"
"Of course!!"

@user-tu1ti1ny7u

1y↑4

The beautiful thing about music is that a good musician knows how to be inspired and “copy” elements of other music.
You can’t invent the wheel, but you can build great stuff off what you like

@DavidLopez-vt5qe

2y↑3

An inTerEstinG piece from Star Wars is the track March of the Resistance in Force Awakens OST and its similarity to Mahler's 9th Symphony, 3rd movement Rondo-Burleske. Williams' "inspiration" on the subject from Mahler's fugatto is uncanny. And another interesting bit is the finale from Ravel's Left hand piano concerto, the last chords of this one-movement piece are reminiscent of Williams' use of brass in his compositions for Star Wars.

@Logan-pk2jw

4y↑655

John Williams: hey can i copy your homework
Korngold: yeah, just don't make it look obvious
John Williams: Star Wars main theme

@TashaVanHuss

4y↑3

LMAOOOO

@HyTricksyy

4y↑1

On the gladiator example I think the Holst foundation actually sued them. Because it's the same. Piece.

@MissMiseryGloom

4y↑1

@AbsoluteAbsurd

4y↑1

Lol

@jakegearhart

4y↑2.1K

This clears up some things about Star Wars:
George Lucas originally intended to score the film exclusively to classical music and even shot scenes specifically with classical pieces in mind (like the trench run scene to Holst's music). Lucas wanted to revitalize orchestral film scoring which had become out of favor by the 70s where pop music and synthesizers were common. So we have Star Wars to thank for having orchestral film scores today. George Lucas was very hesitant to stray from that plan and it took his friend Steven Spielberg to convince him otherwise and to use John Williams (who he had worked with on Jaws). And even after hiring Williams, Lucas wouldn't let him stray much from the classical music he had chosen. (Don't look down on Lucas though, he had great intentions.) That's why a ton of A New Hope sounds like classical music. Empire Strikes Back was scored exclusively based on John Williams' own ideas and that film really showcases John Williams' more modern style. It really shows you how genius John Williams is that he can create such different scores from his own style that still sound incredible.
5:59 "The Dune Sea of Tatooine" queue is scored extremely similarly to the Rite of Spring and the Empire in A New Hope uses almost exclusively Holst references. Note that the Imperial March didn't exist in A New Hope at all. That was created by Williams on his own for Empire Strikes back and the other films.
2:17 is an example of Williams inserting his own motifs (this one is the "Rebel fanfare", also heard at 4:41) within George Lucas' strict guidelines.
Within film scoring, it's common practice for a director to already have music put to film in the form of "temp tracks." But the directors often view them as far from temporary. So often film composers are forced to take old music and recreate it.

@bendikeidebukve9886

4y↑60

And it also sounds like alot of old Western films, but Star wars is a space Western movie

@galacticmess7050

4y↑166

This!!! I like Brett and Eddy defending classical music, but John Williams has such a specific context as to why his work on the first Star Wars movies "copies" previous classical pieces, you can even link Lucas to Spielberg, and then to Jaws (the infamous "copying" of Dvorak's 9th).
This video is rubbing me the wrong way, I know that they probably don't know about the context, but I wish they'd have resesrched it a bit. Because their (let's admit it) young audiencie, while supportive, are impressionable and just...fans (not all them, I know there are exceptions, and your comment shows that), and they may percieve Williams in a wrong light after this, and he really doesn't desrve it (or at least, in the case of his works for Spielberg and Lucas). His own original works outside film scoring, such as his Violin Concerto, are a perfect proof of how talented and insanely genius he is as a composer.

@Azrael5050

4y↑33

This much better than I could have said it - but yes it is well known among star wars trivia people that the original star wars was going to be scored using classical music (kinda still is! - but is that really a bad thing?)

@miwir1248

4y↑50

Guillermina Marin I agree. It’s opening up the whole plagiarism vs inspiration debate. Twoset should do a follow-up video! With their immense popularity on YT, they have both an opportunity and the responsibility to discuss this topic in a mature and balanced way.

@kylefrank5593

4y↑70

I completely agree. This video portrayed John Williams as a copier when in reality that’s just not the truth which bothered me. Without context it seems he just copied but it’s important to understand the context behind it because Williams is a great composer

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@joelviolinpiano

1y↑2

This is one of my favorite twoset episodes. I love the reactions to the similarities they point out. That's great!

@annewick2558

2y↑2

I actually discovered this today because I was working on Holst with my music therapy client and I stood there with my mind blown because it sounded just like Star wars. This made my whole week man 🤯🧠. The rhythmic ostinato in the Mars theme is the same as the star wars theme

@atrumangelus9733

3y↑2.3K

To be fair, Gladiator using the motif from Holst's Mars was deliberate. The main character was a Roman General and Mars is the Roman god of war.

@thunder7382

3y↑12

True

@gdmatter2286

3y↑98

Thats just good filmmaking

@shela404

3y↑2

Oooh that is cool! That works

@GarrettHarris

3y↑26

Music from Commodus returning to Rome also has a distinct reference to Siegfried’s Funeral March.

@andydavis8437

3y↑10

@@GarrettHarris and the Maximus theme sounds very inspired by handel's sarabande

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@tokumeidayo

4y↑357

Composers copying music:
*F it, he's dead.*

@leslielorenzo2880

4y↑4

lmao 😭😂

@AbsoluteAbsurd

4y↑4

Oooof

@_TECHIECHAR

2y↑3

😆This is awesome. Subtle and interesting little variations. Great comparison vid! Classical music has tons of appeal that many modern music listeners fail to realize.👍👍👍👍👍

@TAP7a

1y↑3

At least the Jaws and Dvorak are actually quite distinct, as is the love theme and Tchaikovsky. What it really shows is just how many forms copying can take, and all the different ways you can change something a lot or not very much to make it incredibly iconic and particular to its new context. Some of these are so tenuous, some are really on the nose, but they're all examples of transforming and elevating through copying

@Dwarfman01

3y↑3.3K

George Lucas wrote Star Wars whilst listening to a bunch of classical music - notably Holst's The Planets and The Sorcerer's Apprentice - He presented Williams the different music that inspired him in hopes to help Williams catch on to the vibe that Lucas wanted.

@pyrotechnic96

3y↑233

Makes Williams something of an arranger of classical pieces for a new medium. Personally I think it's all chill, steal what's good, remix it, whatever, bring the good old sounds to new people

@DarthCody700

3y↑196

Yeah, it seems wrong to say he is 'blatantly copying' Holst. That piece played in the first scene of the first movie, I think it was intentionally introducing something familiar and thematically relevant to a brand new and untested work.

@supernunb3128

3y↑65

@@DarthCody700 Not to mention most classical music like Holst's is public domain in some way I believe, so Williams was totally allowed to do that.

@jamesweeks8992

3y↑60

@@supernunb3128 not in 1979 it wasn't!

@xentiment6581

3y↑26

@@supernunb3128 i mean... Oh no... Someone else figured out a same chord before

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@Del-Lebo

I, as of 7 years old seeing the first Star Wars movie, in cinema, at Cine Capri in Phoenix AZ...My mom,dad, sister and I....mentioned how similar the music sounded....Huge Classical music aficionados! Ever since....I hear the inspirations from the classical to the modern! Brilliant video!

@mdeange3

1y↑2

Thank you and I appreciate your involvement and expertise in classical music.

@lucaslorentz

4y↑428

InTrEsTiNg is officially reborn

@rosie-bs2os

4y↑11

It died?

@yangming2themusicguy561

4y↑9

@@rosie-bs2os it never

@NotAPerson_

4y↑1

AmAzInG , isn't it?

@kirbgaming8192

4y↑1

InTreStINg!

@danielzaytsev820

The return of the king

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@andrewstudebaker5397

3y↑2.4K

in all fairness to film composers, this usually happens because directors choose classical pieces to play over scenes before composers score the film. as a result, its not uncommon for directors to fall in love with the classical pieces over their scenes, and so they ask film composers to write something near-identical.

@whhrms

3y↑72

In Star Wars, i became a game for us to guess all the classical paraphrases that Williams had worked into his music. My guess is that Lucas had been cutting the film to "temporary tracks" of specifically chosen classical music and when it got to be time to bring in Mr. Williams, Lucas requested him to write something "original" that was closely based on . . . whatever. I was glad to hear the guys here at least mention Dukas ("The Sorcerer's Apprentice") - the big fanfare chords in the Star Wars theme "Ta-TAAAA-da / Ta-TAAAA-da are clearly taken from the Sorcerer's big chords as he appears near the end and restores order to the cave.

@larniieplayz6285

3y↑1

Yeah

@silentnoyze

3y↑40

Yeah unfortunately common. It’s called temp music or temp score that the director or editor or producer will put in “temporarily” to capture a vibe. Unfortunately the composer has to work with it incorporating the same style but different enough to avoid copyright. Sucks but that’s the way it is sometimes.

@Shadow3103

3y↑12

The best example of someone talking about this is Alan Menken about the overture/prologue of Beauty and the Beast—he’d ended up writing something completely different for the prologue but the temp music had been from the carnival of the animals and the directors both said they wanted that.

@EyeLean5280

I'm not sure this was the case back in 1976, though. They may still have been watching daily rushes in silence back then.

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@ZuoCi-uv8cs

29w↑2

When eddy mentioned how two composers can think of the same thing, it was weird because I’ve actually done that on accident. I was writing a thing for class, and don’t really study music, so I was just kinda doin random notes with a cool vibe, and accidentally made the staccato flute solo that repeats a couple times throughout the second/third movements of Dvorak’s New World Symphony. (If you know the one, **you know the one**)

@lu-cipher

2y↑6

9:05 Brett accidentally let us hear his unfiltered lovely singing voice

@mirandapoh9198

2y↑3

ahaha and now we have B2TSM

@suiwookung9440

4y↑937

Clone Wars:
Yoda: Remember, what do you see?
Ahsoka: I see... Rachmaninoff

@jameschang5790

4y↑20

"Clone" wars xddd

@SakuraMoonflower

4y↑2

Hilarious! XD

@Chris-ki1py

4y↑274

For the defense of Star Wars, Lucas meant to use straight up classical music as soundtrack (as it was common back then in Hollywood iirc), Williams just adjusted it to the plot and filled up the gaps.
Similar to Mars and Gladiator, Mars as the Roman God for War is basically perfect as a soundtrack for a battle.
Should have mentioned them in the credit sections tho xd

@KF-zb6gi

4y↑15

Yeah they should at least put something like inspired by in the credit

@jamesxia9523

4y↑11

The thing is nobody cares that's why star wars gets away with epic music like it's their own

@JefePlaysYT

4y↑3

What are you doing here core of sacrilege. We know you're disguised, get out

@angilasaurus

4y↑1

@@KF-zb6gi then you'd have to put "inspired by" in almost all music. Terrific overview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJPERZDfyWc

@vivs9314

4y↑1

james xia Well, it’s not no one cares, it’s just a majority didn’t know. When Star Wars was just developing, Lucas and many others didn’t think the franchise would become what it is today. They were super low on budget, most of what they had went into sfx and little to make up for the soundtrack; Williams had to work with Lucas wanted. Lets not just simply bash the people who spent most of their lives on this based on a very biased video.

@albertoortizjaen5184

2y↑2

There's also a similar motif to 4:40 at the beginning of Paul Dukas apprentice (just before the second minute in the piece)

@prouvencau6343

2y↑4

There is a famous music from Matrix : Rob Dougan - clubbed to death

the original is from Edward Elgar - Enigma (Andante), 1899

@weaselmusical7918

4y↑283

Filmmakers: listens to classical music

Filmmakers:

Filmmakers: ...

Filmmakers: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN

@BiRainbow29

4y↑1

😂

@abc_7717

4y↑8

Charles the French?

@pseudonymousanonymous5829

4y↑4

RESPECCCT ME

@julljulla2571

4y↑1

Hahahaa cracked me up

@saturniunyttech679

4y↑1

Classical music is sacreligious.

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@aaronniu8313

4y↑698

is anyone just going to ignore how sad that eddy had to redo his assignment at 3:20

@ziyufu6965

4y↑26

He's shared that story before. They did a video on music university experience last year I think?

@beyzaozbek549

4y↑2

Link?

@acetrainer4556

4y↑14

Beyza Özbek https://youtu.be/UqfUVtdbf-Q at around 11:47

@beyzaozbek549

4y↑3

@@acetrainer4556 Thanks :)

@Marina-pe1gx

4y↑2

That's a bit of a dramatic comment

@mehmetmercan9117

2y↑2

1:50 their smiles dropping is so good lmao

@EnduringFoliage

47w↑2

Lucas originally wanted to use the planets suite before Williams was brought on as the composer. Lucas asked him to arrange a similarly sounding score

@Grafight23

4y↑1.1K

Suggestion: Classical composers who copied from each other.

@ianw1976

4y↑49

Yes!!! Mendelssohn Violin Concerto 3rd movement and the Russian Dance from The Nutcracker.

@Grafight23

4y↑12

@@ianw1976 Great example!

@Andrea-hc4kz

4y↑2

hahahh this is actually interesting

@tomswiftyphilo2504

4y↑8

@Rachel Tolmach isn't it interesting that so many great male composers had talented sisters? Schumann, Mendelssohn, Mozart...

@tomswiftyphilo2504

4y↑1

@Rachel Tolmach sorry you're right that's what I meant.

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@ngyanqi7176

4y↑986

no one is talking abt eddy's friend copying his assignment n eddy needs to redo it???? ok im sorry

@abhiramvishwanath8048

3y↑37

He talked about it another video. I think its the gross uni experiences

@alicialynn1096

3y↑6

@@abhiramvishwanath8048 Yeah its “What It’s Really Like Studying Music at University” or smith like that

@oinkoink4407

3y↑4

ikr i would not let them get away that easily

@cobaltorchid6962

3y↑1

I felt that ngl

@danielled168

3y↑2

@JMcKey21

1y↑2

I love the editing on this video!

@MrLakridsbat

2y↑1

It must be soo incredible hard when composing NOT to play the first note of the melody and knowing so many melodies sharing the same-ish chord progression and starting note. Trying to not doing something you know might steer you toward something you've heard once but can't remember if you improvised those notes once before or if it was a piece played in the background at the mall during the last Christmas shopping.

@vegarguleng1748

4y↑385

The irony of Stravinsky accusing someone of copying him... “A good composer does not imitate; he steals", to quote the master himself. Could become topic of a future video?

@ericnk58

4y↑23

Stravinsky's quote was, "Mediocre composers borrow; great composers steal." Bernstein, in the final lecture, "The Poetry of Earth," of the series "The Unanswered Question," labeled Stravinsky as "the thieving magpie of the 20th Century."

@FreddieHg37

@j LOL

@irispetal

4y↑550

I like how people say classical music is lame while they fawn over movie soundtracks... that were copied

@miwir1248

4y↑32

Iris Petal good point! It just goes to show that context is everything

@arlynnecumberbatch1056

4y↑3

Its like someone likes to go to asian countries but theyre being too stereotypical to asians on eating dogs
It didnt make sense to them 😝

@0912sooli

4y↑7

Idk...some classical music sound bland and too drag out...but when soundtracks do spin on it then they become more epic
I obviously not talking about ALL classical music

@Checkmate1138

4y↑20

What? I want to know what lame ass people you're hanging out with that fawn over movie soundtracks but also simultaneously think "classical music is lame". I feel like those people don't exist -- if you like film music, you have some level of appreciation for classical music.

@-Devy-

4y↑8

Bullshit! Show me even one single person who expresses dislike for classical music and at the same time fawns over Star Wars' soundtrack. Trying to sound superior and score points by attacking people that don't even exist, that's the only lame thing here.

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@johnneiberger7311

1y↑5

John Williams got a lot of mileage out of Dvorak's New World Symphony. I can hear parts from Star Wars, Superman, and Jaws at various points. In fact, if you listen just a bit further in the piece after where you stopped it, you'll hear some more that Williams borrowed.

@ecoRfan

51w↑1

Jaws especially. Start of the 4th movement.

@stravinsky1300

50w↑2

And Dvorak borrowed a lot of music for his New World Symphony from American folk tunes.

@MickeyKraut419

2y↑1

One of the main melodies in James Horner's "The Secret Wedding" in Braveheart is definitely similar to the melodic passage of in the middle of Holst's Jupiter....

@jamess9682

4y↑667

There’s also many national anthems that are copied from classical music

@chelseadalotta97

4y↑89

I'm Indonesian, on few weeks before i realized one of my national anthem have similar melody from 1812 overture by Tchaikovsky. Maybe i'll find out more! Its interesting to know something like this

@cupa6285

4y↑1

Yesss

@thomassladden9077

4y↑32

Isn't the melody of the German national anthem taken from a Haydn string quartet?

@bryantalexander1492

@@chelseadalotta97 Which one?

@evelynyunita2940

@@chelseadalotta97 which one is it?

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@tchuyki

4y↑249

Film music conductors: *copies classical music
TwoSet: tHoUgHt wE wOuLdN't nOtIcE bUt wE dId

@InvertedBuns

4y↑1

Oof

@Siskaazizah54

4y↑1

Wooppsiiieee

@centurion0418

4y↑2

“I understood that reference”

@ThrowingItAway

25w↑5

I'm fairly sure John Williams has stated that he reused a lot of different musical elements that he respects and loves to make the music familiar and comforting for the listener.

@tiagomoutta4859

2y↑4

The Imperial March and the Slavic March from Tchaikovsky are very similar too

@AudieHolland

4y↑567

I have the 'Original Star Wars Soundtrack' and I was wondering why the name "Korngold" was on the cover.
Turns out his son George Korngold produced the recording, which was borrowed from a composition by his father, Erich Wolfgang Korngold.
So it wasn't a secret for people working in the music/soundtrack industry back then.

@comandantethorn9929

4y↑37

it never was a secret, it just didnt become viral but everytime someone asked John Williams about it he just said and pointed to who and when he took inspiration from other pieces and composers

@SusanCallHutchison

4y↑9

Now THIS is an underrated comment!

@howickian_.8879

4y↑2

W o t ? !
I didn't know this :v

@AudieHolland

4y↑10

@@comandantethorn9929 Rethinking the whole thing. You know how the music business works.

They had a deal to use Korngold's original music, add a handful of notes then have John Williams as the 'vehicle' or 'medium channeling Korngold.'

It made much better PR saying you have this great new, very much alive composer then saying you're using old 50s Hollywood music from a dead composer.

In my opinion Williams is just another music artist who is covering songs (orchestral music in his case) in a new version.

@jackdellad4602

Well now, 'Everyday is a school day'.

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@Namite0001

4y↑326

Eddy's friend still owes him that dinner...

@izzairis7705

4y↑2

Yupppp hahaha

@Peacelovemusic-tp9ds

4y↑1

What are you talking about?

@izzairis7705

4y↑33

There's a video of eddy telling the full version of his assignment getting copied story, at the end the guy that copy his work promised to treat him dinner but never did

@zephelia1299

Yeah lmao

@kamilakowalczyk4878

@Parker Kim yes they do 😂

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@waybackproductions1255

1y↑1

I love Williams when he does it tbh- like homages rather than stealing.

@kxra0624

2y↑2

5:15 i thought it sounded like Tchaikovsky ( because of the harp and also the strings kinda give me swan lake vibes) but I don’t think the violin concerto was the inspiration

@beckymccarthy7016

4y↑174

So if you check out "the soundtrack show" podcast with David W Collins he explains why they're so similar. Lucas used classical music that he wanted Williams to emulate when showing Williams the reels. So Williams abided by that.

If you like film soundtracks I HIGHLY recommend the soundtrack show. It's frickin awesome.