The Three Degrees are a female Philadelphia soul and disco vocal musical gr… Read Full Bio ↴The Three Degrees are a female Philadelphia soul and disco vocal musical group, formed in 1963 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Although it has always had a three-girl lineup, the group has undergone numerous personnel changes, and a total of twelve women have represented the trio so far. The original members were Fayette Pinkney, Shirley Porter and Linda Turner. The trio, tagged by the media as "Prince Charles' favourites", were the first girl group to top the UK Singles Chart since The Supremes in 1964. They are best known for their 1974 million-selling hit, When Will I See You Again.
1960s
The Three Degrees (aka the Twelve Degrees) were formed around 1963 in Philadelphia. They were discovered by producer and songwriter, Richard Barrett. Barrett was responsible for groups of the 1950s such as The Chantels, Little Anthony and the Imperials, and The Valentines. Barrett recorded the original lineup on their first song, "Gee Baby (I'm Sorry)", for Swan Records. Turner and Porter both left the group and were replaced by Helen Scott and a string of other ladies, before Janet Harmon joined in the mid-1960s. Barrett also began managing and producing Sheila Ferguson who was a high school friend of Scott. Barrett also signed Ferguson to Swan Records in 1965. The Three Degrees released a number of singles such as "I'm Gonna Need You" and a cover version of "Maybe", with Scott taking the lead vocals.
By 1966, with many performances lined up, Scott decided to leave the group to start a family. Ferguson filled in for Scott and would remain with the group for 20 years. Ferguson sang backup on all the group's Swan recordings as did the Three Degrees for her solo singles. By 1967, Harmon left and was replaced by Valerie Holiday. Barrett signed them to recording contracts over the next three years with Warner Bros., Metromedia, and Neptune record labels; the latter of which was owned by Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff, who would work with the group five years later. Their close harmony made them a popular nightclub act but that hit record still eluded them.
1970s
By 1970, they were signed to Roulette Records and they released their first album, Maybe. The title song took them to #4 on the U.S. R&B charts. Other singles like "I Do Take You" and "You're the Fool" followed, as did their second album, So Much Love. This success landed them a cameo appearance in the 1971 film, The French Connection, filmed during one of their appearances at the Copacabana nightclub in New York, and also an engagement at the Riviera Hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada with Engelbert Humperdinck, who was quoted saying that "The Three Degrees are the finest female vocal trio around today."
In 1973, with their contract with Roulette ending, Barrett signed them to Philadelphia International Records under Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff, where they were to have their greatest successes. They also made an appearance on the television program, Sanford and Son, singing "I Didn't Know". The first song they recorded there was with the studio band MFSB, entitled TSOP (The Sound of Philadelphia), which was the theme song for Soul Train. Altogether, The Three Degrees recorded four albums for that label.
The first album spawned three hits. Dirty Ol' Man went gold in the Netherlands and Belgium. The second single was Year of Decision which made it to the Top 20 in the UK Singles Chart. Their third single, "When Will I See You Again", was the one that helped the trio break into the mainstream. It topped the UK Chart and sold over two million discs to earn the trio a gold record. The RIAA made the award on 9 December 1974.
The Three Degrees also recorded two live albums: one from Leicester in the UK, and the other from Tokyo, Japan, and both were released in 1975. International, their second studio album on Philadelphia International, was marketed internationally in various languages. In Europe, the album was called With Love, and spawned the hit single Take Good Care of Yourself, which was a Top 10 hit in the UK. There were two songs from that album that were big in Japan: "Midnight Train" and "Nigai Namida", which was recorded in Japanese. In 1976, they parted company with Gamble and Huff and moved to CBS Sony/Epic Records where they released the concept album, A Toast Of Love, purely for the Far East market, although a single of the title track as released all over the world.
In 1976, Pinkney decided to leave the group to return to full-time education, and was replaced by her former band member and great friend Helen Scott. In 1977 they released the album, Standing Up for Love. In 1978, The Three Degrees were signed to Ariola Records in Europe and the U.S. and began working with Giorgio Moroder. Further success was to follow, and they released two albums on Ariola which delivered four UK Top 20 hits: "The Runner", "My Simple Heart", "Giving Up Giving In", and "Woman In Love". They performed at Buckingham Palace for Prince Charles' 30th birthday party, and were guests at his pre-wedding party to Princess Diana. Their own television program was recorded at the Royal Albert Hall in London, called "The Three Degrees at The Royal Albert Hall", in October 1979.
1980s
Between 1982 and 1985, The Three Degrees released two albums on their own 3D label: Album of Love and Live in the UK. On that label they released one single written by Ferguson, "Liar". They returned to the charts in 1985 with "The Heaven I Need", which was produced by Stock/Aitken/Waterman on Supreme Records. A third BBC Television show was also recorded in 1982, entitled Take 3 Degrees, which included performances of their greatest hits, and also songs that the group were performing in their latest show, such as "I Can't Turn You Loose" and "Celebration".
In 1986, Miquel Brown filled in for Scott whilst the latter was expecting. That same year Ferguson decided to leave the group. Scott and Holiday replaced her with Vera Brown in 1986 and then Rhea Harris in 1987. In 1989, Scott and Holiday, along with new recruit Victoria Wallace, recorded an album entitled ... And Holding on Ichiban Records. A single, "A Tender Lie" was also released. Following the album, the group recorded a live CD at London's Dominion Theatre, with Billy Paul and Harold Melvin & the Bluenotes in the summer of 1989. The group followed this with another tour of the UK and Japan at the end of the year.
1990s onwards
In December 1989, Cynthia Garrison replaced Wallace, forming the longest running lineup of the group. In 1993, they were asked to record a new version of "When Will I See You Again" with Thomas Anders (Modern Talking). He supplied three tracks for their album Out the Past Into the Future, marking their return to Ariola Records and their most successful and musically varied album in 15 years.
Scott, Holiday, and Garrison continue to tour. They made their first U.S. TV appearance in over 20 years in 2003 on the PBS show, Rhythm, Love, and Soul with Aretha Franklin, Lou Rawls and Mary Wilson. They were also part of the "Best Disco In Town 2004 Tour" with The Pointer Sisters, Chic, The Emotions, and Evelyn "Champagne" King. They also took part in the 2007 "Best Disco In Town" tour in the United Kingdom in May 2007.
The ladies, together with former member Fayette Pinkney, received various honors during 2007 and 2008, through BIMA and the City of Philadelphia, for their contribution to music over five decades. The four ladies appeared together to receive these awards, creating, for the first time ever, The Four Degrees.
Lineup Chronology
Members
Helen Scott (1963-1966)
Valerie Holiday (1967-present)
Helen Scott1 (1976-present)
Cynthia Garrison (1989-present)
1Helen Scott rejoined the group in 1976 after a 10-year break
Ex-members
Fayette Pinkney (1963-1976)
Linda Turner (1963)
Shirley Porter (1963)
Janet Harmon (1964-1967)
Sheila Ferguson (1966-1986)
Sandra Tucker (1967)
Vera Brown (1986-1987)
Rhea Harris (1987-1988)
Victoria Wallace (1988-1989)
1960s
The Three Degrees (aka the Twelve Degrees) were formed around 1963 in Philadelphia. They were discovered by producer and songwriter, Richard Barrett. Barrett was responsible for groups of the 1950s such as The Chantels, Little Anthony and the Imperials, and The Valentines. Barrett recorded the original lineup on their first song, "Gee Baby (I'm Sorry)", for Swan Records. Turner and Porter both left the group and were replaced by Helen Scott and a string of other ladies, before Janet Harmon joined in the mid-1960s. Barrett also began managing and producing Sheila Ferguson who was a high school friend of Scott. Barrett also signed Ferguson to Swan Records in 1965. The Three Degrees released a number of singles such as "I'm Gonna Need You" and a cover version of "Maybe", with Scott taking the lead vocals.
By 1966, with many performances lined up, Scott decided to leave the group to start a family. Ferguson filled in for Scott and would remain with the group for 20 years. Ferguson sang backup on all the group's Swan recordings as did the Three Degrees for her solo singles. By 1967, Harmon left and was replaced by Valerie Holiday. Barrett signed them to recording contracts over the next three years with Warner Bros., Metromedia, and Neptune record labels; the latter of which was owned by Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff, who would work with the group five years later. Their close harmony made them a popular nightclub act but that hit record still eluded them.
1970s
By 1970, they were signed to Roulette Records and they released their first album, Maybe. The title song took them to #4 on the U.S. R&B charts. Other singles like "I Do Take You" and "You're the Fool" followed, as did their second album, So Much Love. This success landed them a cameo appearance in the 1971 film, The French Connection, filmed during one of their appearances at the Copacabana nightclub in New York, and also an engagement at the Riviera Hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada with Engelbert Humperdinck, who was quoted saying that "The Three Degrees are the finest female vocal trio around today."
In 1973, with their contract with Roulette ending, Barrett signed them to Philadelphia International Records under Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff, where they were to have their greatest successes. They also made an appearance on the television program, Sanford and Son, singing "I Didn't Know". The first song they recorded there was with the studio band MFSB, entitled TSOP (The Sound of Philadelphia), which was the theme song for Soul Train. Altogether, The Three Degrees recorded four albums for that label.
The first album spawned three hits. Dirty Ol' Man went gold in the Netherlands and Belgium. The second single was Year of Decision which made it to the Top 20 in the UK Singles Chart. Their third single, "When Will I See You Again", was the one that helped the trio break into the mainstream. It topped the UK Chart and sold over two million discs to earn the trio a gold record. The RIAA made the award on 9 December 1974.
The Three Degrees also recorded two live albums: one from Leicester in the UK, and the other from Tokyo, Japan, and both were released in 1975. International, their second studio album on Philadelphia International, was marketed internationally in various languages. In Europe, the album was called With Love, and spawned the hit single Take Good Care of Yourself, which was a Top 10 hit in the UK. There were two songs from that album that were big in Japan: "Midnight Train" and "Nigai Namida", which was recorded in Japanese. In 1976, they parted company with Gamble and Huff and moved to CBS Sony/Epic Records where they released the concept album, A Toast Of Love, purely for the Far East market, although a single of the title track as released all over the world.
In 1976, Pinkney decided to leave the group to return to full-time education, and was replaced by her former band member and great friend Helen Scott. In 1977 they released the album, Standing Up for Love. In 1978, The Three Degrees were signed to Ariola Records in Europe and the U.S. and began working with Giorgio Moroder. Further success was to follow, and they released two albums on Ariola which delivered four UK Top 20 hits: "The Runner", "My Simple Heart", "Giving Up Giving In", and "Woman In Love". They performed at Buckingham Palace for Prince Charles' 30th birthday party, and were guests at his pre-wedding party to Princess Diana. Their own television program was recorded at the Royal Albert Hall in London, called "The Three Degrees at The Royal Albert Hall", in October 1979.
1980s
Between 1982 and 1985, The Three Degrees released two albums on their own 3D label: Album of Love and Live in the UK. On that label they released one single written by Ferguson, "Liar". They returned to the charts in 1985 with "The Heaven I Need", which was produced by Stock/Aitken/Waterman on Supreme Records. A third BBC Television show was also recorded in 1982, entitled Take 3 Degrees, which included performances of their greatest hits, and also songs that the group were performing in their latest show, such as "I Can't Turn You Loose" and "Celebration".
In 1986, Miquel Brown filled in for Scott whilst the latter was expecting. That same year Ferguson decided to leave the group. Scott and Holiday replaced her with Vera Brown in 1986 and then Rhea Harris in 1987. In 1989, Scott and Holiday, along with new recruit Victoria Wallace, recorded an album entitled ... And Holding on Ichiban Records. A single, "A Tender Lie" was also released. Following the album, the group recorded a live CD at London's Dominion Theatre, with Billy Paul and Harold Melvin & the Bluenotes in the summer of 1989. The group followed this with another tour of the UK and Japan at the end of the year.
1990s onwards
In December 1989, Cynthia Garrison replaced Wallace, forming the longest running lineup of the group. In 1993, they were asked to record a new version of "When Will I See You Again" with Thomas Anders (Modern Talking). He supplied three tracks for their album Out the Past Into the Future, marking their return to Ariola Records and their most successful and musically varied album in 15 years.
Scott, Holiday, and Garrison continue to tour. They made their first U.S. TV appearance in over 20 years in 2003 on the PBS show, Rhythm, Love, and Soul with Aretha Franklin, Lou Rawls and Mary Wilson. They were also part of the "Best Disco In Town 2004 Tour" with The Pointer Sisters, Chic, The Emotions, and Evelyn "Champagne" King. They also took part in the 2007 "Best Disco In Town" tour in the United Kingdom in May 2007.
The ladies, together with former member Fayette Pinkney, received various honors during 2007 and 2008, through BIMA and the City of Philadelphia, for their contribution to music over five decades. The four ladies appeared together to receive these awards, creating, for the first time ever, The Four Degrees.
Lineup Chronology
Members
Helen Scott (1963-1966)
Valerie Holiday (1967-present)
Helen Scott1 (1976-present)
Cynthia Garrison (1989-present)
1Helen Scott rejoined the group in 1976 after a 10-year break
Ex-members
Fayette Pinkney (1963-1976)
Linda Turner (1963)
Shirley Porter (1963)
Janet Harmon (1964-1967)
Sheila Ferguson (1966-1986)
Sandra Tucker (1967)
Vera Brown (1986-1987)
Rhea Harris (1987-1988)
Victoria Wallace (1988-1989)
When Will I See You Again
The Three Degrees Lyrics
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(Precious moments)
When will I see you again?
When will we share precious moments?
Will I have to wait forever?
Will I have to suffer (suffer)
And cry the whole night through?
When will I see you again?
When will our hearts beat together?
Are we in love or just friends?
Is this my beginning or is this the end? (is this the end?)
When will I see you again?
(When will I see you again?)
When will I see you again, love?
(Precious moments)
Are we in love or just friends?
Is this my beginning or is this the end? (is this the end?)
When will I see you again?
(When will I see you again?)
Sweet, sweet love of mine
(When will I see you again?)
Come on, come on
(When will I see you again?)
Tell me, yeah
(When will I see you again?)
My sweet lover, yeah
(When will I see you again?)
Ooh, yeah
(When will I see you again?)
Come on, come on
(When will I see you again?)
Come on, come on
(When will I see you again?)
Ooh ooh, yeah
(When will I see you again?)
(When will I see you again?)
When will I see you again?
When will we share precious moments?
Will I have to wait forever?
Will I have to suffer (suffer)
And cry the whole night through?
When will our hearts beat together?
Are we in love or just friends?
Is this my beginning or is this the end? (is this the end?)
When will I see you again?
(When will I see you again?)
When will I see you again, love?
(Precious moments)
Are we in love or just friends?
Is this my beginning or is this the end? (is this the end?)
When will I see you again?
(When will I see you again?)
Sweet, sweet love of mine
(When will I see you again?)
Come on, come on
(When will I see you again?)
Tell me, yeah
(When will I see you again?)
My sweet lover, yeah
(When will I see you again?)
Ooh, yeah
(When will I see you again?)
Come on, come on
(When will I see you again?)
Come on, come on
(When will I see you again?)
Ooh ooh, yeah
(When will I see you again?)
(When will I see you again?)
The Three Degrees's song When Will I See You Again is a timeless classic that speaks to the universal human experience of longing for love and connection. The opening line "When will I see you again?" is a plea for the return of a loved one, and the rest of the lyrics continue in the same vein, with the singer wondering when they will once again have the opportunity to share "precious moments" with their beloved. They express their fear that they may have to "wait forever" and that in the meantime they will have to "suffer" and "cry the whole night through."
The chorus repeats the same questions and concerns, with the singer wondering if they and their love interest are truly in love or merely friends, and whether their encounter is the beginning of a beautiful love story or the end of something that could have been. The song is filled with uncertainty and despair, but it also expresses a deep hope and desire for the return of love.
Line by Line Meaning
When will I see you again?
Expressing the longing to see someone again
When will we share precious moments?
Asking when they can spend time together again
Will I have to wait forever?
Questioning if they will be separated indefinitely
Will I have to suffer (suffer)
Wondering if they have to endure the pain of being apart
And cry the whole night through?
Asking if they will be consumed with sadness during their separation
When will our hearts beat together?
Pondering when they can be reunited and in love again
Are we in love or just friends?
Questioning the nature of their relationship
Is this my beginning or is this the end? (is this the end?)
Uncertainty about whether they will carry on or part ways
When will I see you again, love?
Calling out to their beloved
Sweet, sweet love of mine
Endearing term for their love interest
Come on, come on
Impatient for a response or reunion
Tell me, yeah
Asking for an answer or confirmation
My sweet lover, yeah
Addressing their significant other with affection
Ooh, yeah
Expressing emotion or desire
Come on, come on
Eager for a response or reunion
Ooh ooh, yeah
Expressing emotion or desire
(When will I see you again?)
Repeating the central question of the song
Lyrics © BMG Rights Management, Royalty Network, Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC, Warner Chappell Music, Inc.
Written by: Kenny Gamble, Leon Huff
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@otccreations
This song will always remind me of my Mom. Driving through the streets of Philly when I was a young boy back in the 70's. She has dementia now & doesn't know who I am. And that is a very hard pill to swallow. But this song reminds me of a time when my Mother loved me & she knew I was her son. Heartbreaking. But I find joy in the songs we sang together. Thank God for the little things that mean everything. ❤
@kennethsonia5350
Me and my Wife separated and I had to bring up our girls because she had an opioid addiction. She would call me up and play this song many times. The day she passed away I went into my job to let my Boss know and this song was playing on the store's radio station. That floored me. This song will forever be in my Heart ❤️
@orcasgirl1
Bless you for stepping up to care for your girls. I'm very sorry about the loss of your wife, it sounds like you loved her very much. I do hope that you found love again.
@user-michael77
God bless you!
@joannchristopher192
😥
@robertplumb9782
I am really Sad to hear that .stay strong . God bless You and Your Wife
@shirmeymckamey9386
I'm so sorry for your loss.
@markleidich7591
I loved this song when I first heard it in 1974! 50 years later in 2024, I still love it!
@cobbysparks9891
How can one song take you through time, bring back the places, the smells, the voices, the people, fallen and standing, and make you happy and sad at the same time?
@user-cy7ik1xz1e
Es cierto, te da tristeza y felicidad al mismo tiempo.