The Veld are a four-piece rock band from the Central Coast of Australia, co… Read Full Bio ↴The Veld are a four-piece rock band from the Central Coast of Australia, comprising of brothers Jacob and Isaac Adele (bass and drums respectively) and brothers Jake and Simon Dobson (vocals and guitars). Originally formed under the name 'Just For The Night' in 2004, The Veld have taken their career to new heights in the past year, supporting acts such as Matchbook Romance, Parkway Drive and playing frequently to sellout crowds. The Veld have one self-titled EP available from all music stores, and are in the process of recording their next release.
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Law Of Escape
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@toddfulton2280
Another amazing podcast.
This one brought me back to my youth. I'm not well versed with the likes of Plato, Jung, Descartes, etc, the only philosophy I ever really read was about Zen Buddhism, but I spent a lot of my late teens and early twenties thinking about philosophy and meta-physics. I ended up meditating, eating a lot of shrooms, smoking a lot of pot, and doing all three at the same time, reading Terence McKenna, Michio Kaku, Deepak, The Mind's I, The Holographic Universe, etc, etc. I eventually came to many of the same conclusions here while pondering various Zen koans. I found myself mostly coming from a 'Dualists' perspective however. My conclusion after listening to Kastrup here is that the main difference is how we define matter and mind, and other than that all else is essentially the same. My gut tells me this may be the case between Materialism and Idealism as well, the only difference between the two being the definitions of mind and matter, and the attitudes proponents of either take on life. At a high level, a cursory glance, if you take mind and matter to be the same, everything else about materialism and idealism is just a matter of semantics. Any serious Materialist would tell you that according to Quantum Mechanics, "We don't really know what matter is", that what we perceive is just an approximation of reality, and an Idealist would tell you that matter is mind and what we see is just an "image of the thing itself", which is another way of saying "We don't really know what mind is". One would argue that separation is a product of physical separations, and the other a result of "disassociations" of the "great mind". What's the difference? You could construct an isomorphism here, or at least a natural transformation, whether the claim is materialism, idealism, dualism, or that we all live in a hologram or simulation. At the end of it, the act of taking the stance of one or the other, is the act of playing "Meta-games" as Allan Watts would say, "My game is better than your game!", but they are all the same game, and the game is really about who can word it more cleverly. It kind of boils down to whether or not you like Coke better than Pepsi, or maybe you're a Mountain Dew kind of guy, or maybe you're too good for soda pop and so you only drink tea.
Personally I came to think of our experience as arising from the process of the Universe "observing" us, our biological being, and observing the information that our wet stuff is processing. An analogy might be something similar to what happens when the needle of a record player scratches the surface of a record, and you get music. In my view, that's what's happening to us, and what gives rise to our experience. It's this process, this happening, similar to the way a "flame is a flaming", not a thing, but a process. I often wonder about the science behind experience, what kind of physics is at play here, and why does mainstream science refuse to acknowledge something mysterious is happening. This is why I say I mostly came from the perspective of Dualism, I reached many of the same conclusions, but just defined mind and matter to be different, but underneath the two, there was a unifying force that gives rise to experience.
In my younger days I was incredibly impressed by this concept that "we are all the universe", "we are all nature", "we are all 'god'", etc. and we hear this from Kastrup as well, even Carl Sagan said similar things, and as I learned in this podcast, so have many people in history. In pursuit of experiencing this universal mind, I meditated, isolated myself, ate shrooms in order to induce "ego death", all that. At some point I realized, this is nonsense, it's like a gear in a clock claiming to itself "I am a clock!". As time went on, I've become more and more distressed by this notion that we are somehow "not our ego", that our ego is "just an illusion", that "I don't exist". Kastrup pointed out how absurd it is to assert that qualia doesn't exist, that the claim is either incoherent, or irrelevant. The assertion that "you don't exist", that the "ego is just an illusion", is just as absurd. You ARE the ego. That's what you are*. You are not a whole clock, you are a gear within a clock!. Just like a flame isn't all of fire. And we know that you do in fact exist. If it was the case that we "are nature" and that the ego doesn't exist, we would never have had the experience of disassociation in the first place. This idea that we need to kill off our ego is destructive, by definition it's suicidal. As far as I know, it was very much espoused by the hippies, and somehow the idea, however misguided, has persisted within the counter culture, but it is fundamentally destructive. I think from an Idealist's perspective it might be important to try and diminish the ego's importance here, because if they don't, it opens them up to criticism about all kinds of nonsense, so I understand why Kastrup takes this point of view, that "I don't exist, so how can I have any control", otherwise we might have esp, and ghosts, and all kinds of "woo woo". While I have been disillusioned by this notion that "we *are nature", that fundamentally we "are the universal mind", and somehow we "are not the ego", I do think it was an incredibly useful notion, it helped put my ego (myself) into perspective. I realized that my contribution to this whole shenanigans' we call life, is my ego, I am the contribution to the universe, my thoughts, my desires, my fears, my pain, my joy, an incredibly novel, highly coherent bundle of information, and the process of the universe "observing" me, is my experience. I think it's important to have a healthy ego, which is to say I think it's important to be healthy. I think it's important to have perspective and let go of hubris, but it doesn't do any good to think "I don't exist", that's just absurd. What I think actually happens when we take high doses of psychedelics, and experience what people refer to as "ego death", is that we catch glimpses of the creation of our experience, we approach the limit of the needle on the record player. And again, this mostly boils down to our definitions, what does one mean by ego? Is ego just the story of your life, separate and distinct from I*, or is it your experience as a disassociated entity, the very *I*? Whatever the case, *you are not the clock, that's by definition absurd as we've already established that you are the disassociated entity (through the lens of whatever -ism).
Myself, I've lost interest in the "meta-physics" of it, I think people go on an on about whether it's better to look at the sun from the east or the west. I think what we need to do, is to push modern science to actually investigate what gives rise our experience. To finally admit that there is something strange going on here, and we should start to see if we can scientifically understand it. One of the most profound things psychedelics showed me (which can be realized with optical illusions just as well), is just the simple fact that what I experience, is not what is actually "out there". When you see the walls wobble, and faces detort in weird ways, colors and fractals wrapping the surfaces around you, you quickly realize that this thing you've been looking at your whole life, is not physical reality, it's something else entirely. It's the same thing you look at when you dream! A materialist might say it's "the thing in your head", and I heard Kastrup call it his "dashboard" (again, a matter of semantics), but whatever coast you're looking at the sun from, there is some very interesting science happening in the processes that give rise to experience. To me, this is what is exciting and interesting.
@ramkrishnadas4230
I just made my one time small contribution, could not hold myself any longer. Possibly, no one would read it, but still I would like to put my reason before some internet God who might stumble here, why for the first time I am supporting a podcaster, and I am just a minimum wage worker.
I was very deeply moved and touched by Curt's interviews, or it is better to say efforts, that for the first time, I found there is someone out there among thinkers/academics who is as troubled by me due to our ignorance, the lack of answers to our most fundamental questions; and whatever technological advances there might be, though they are important and have their place-but we are as ignorant as our primates or even non-primates forefathers about the most fundamental existential question. It is fashionable among almost all academicians and thinkers to dismiss them as irrelevant just becuase of the sheer difficulty; and then pretend that those questions do not exist at all.
I was particularly touched by list of his guests, and his openness to mysterious side of the life. While, I have not had any paranormal experiences, I have had strange synchronicities-involving multiple events and people in succession, but for me more than that, even this present 'normal' experience itself seems to be as mysterious as paranormal.
Seeing Curt's restlessness, I feel grateful that there is some other brother out there sharing my burden and anxieties. Thanks Curt.
@TheoriesofEverything
Wow, Das. Thank you deeply. Honestly, thank you. I read each word
@ramkrishnadas4230
@Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal Thanks, I knew you read it.
@ramkrishnadas4230
@Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal
Frankly speaking, I felt little bit guilty for wasting your time, when I realized you are reading my stupid comments. Your time is very precious, I would not mind at all if you do not read or respond to my comments.
Btw, my name through paypal would be different than my youtube persona. Sorry, I am not as civilized and courageous as you. And careless enough to inadvertantly infringe politically correctness (as using forefathers in stead of ancestors in my comment). My first name starts with the alphabet which in a way represent predicament of humanity-however far it may travel from the beginings, it will always fall short by at least one.
@Buntybill1
Listen to Tom Campbell...similar ideas
@tomsmith2361
Great post 👍
@laisa.
I have been listening to Kastrup non stop for over a week now, and today, in this interview learning about how he almost killed himself due to tinnitus... I welled up, as I am in this very "topic" of non dualism etc because I almost killed myself due to tinnitus a few years ago. I can't describe the feeling with words, it's a mesh of empathy and sympaty and pain and hope and hopelessness... idk. THANK YOU BOTH for this experience of a podcast. 🌻
@iemandanders353
Kastrup is an extraordinary thinker. There is enormous truth in his words. Jaimungal's brilliant interview fuels K.'s eloquence. Wonderful.
@shawnpalmer6715
best i ever heard
@kyran333
There is a lot of intellectual BS in the his communication, and also much of value to others, as long as it doesn't become an exclusive club for folks he think they know better all well and good..