The Veld are a four-piece rock band from the Central Coast of Australia, co… Read Full Bio ↴The Veld are a four-piece rock band from the Central Coast of Australia, comprising of brothers Jacob and Isaac Adele (bass and drums respectively) and brothers Jake and Simon Dobson (vocals and guitars). Originally formed under the name 'Just For The Night' in 2004, The Veld have taken their career to new heights in the past year, supporting acts such as Matchbook Romance, Parkway Drive and playing frequently to sellout crowds. The Veld have one self-titled EP available from all music stores, and are in the process of recording their next release.
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@morphixnm
Great discussion to which I will add my Aristotle-inspired comments:
1. So John, when you spoke about your students' desires to know the truth even if it was a hard truth to know, your analogy did not compare with the kinds of truths that many philosophers and scientists today are presenting. In saying yes to the question of whether or not they would want to know if their partners were cheating on them they know that other partners are potentially available. In other words there are similar realities to which they can go. It is not the end of meaning. But if you tell people that they are nothing but machines in a wholly mechanical universe, you are leaving them with nowhere to go because that idea is truly a dead end. There is no inspiring truth or goodness or beauty in that reality.
2. The idea that laws are somehow more real or somehow cause things to be as they are is an old one. It is the same old reification of abstractions that began with the Pythagoreans. It suggests that scientific laws and their accompanying mathematical expressions are foundational rather than being concepts derived from our observations of physical things and measurements of their behavior and relationships. I would argue that it is the fundamental nature of things that they have regular behaviors and relationships because that is the outcome of their identity. They can not be otherwise and so called laws are merely identifications of their properties and interactions. (I am leaving a lot out here but it is much too much to go into just posting comments. If any one want to take this apart I will engage in that dialogue.)
3. I don't think information is at all the same as data, nor is something being processed the same as something being though about. In order for data to be information something conscious must be informed. The analogy would be letters and words on a page of a book. Those letters and words are not themselves information, they are physical marks with the potential to be informative only when they are read and understood by a conscious being. The same goes for a clock, which only tells time when someone uses it to know the time. That a computer organizes data like a book and processes inputs and outputs like a clock does not make it informed.
By confusing and conflating data with information we mistakenly begin equating certain workings of mechanical devices with the workings of our minds. This is a problem with the computer model of the brain and in an interesting way is the same problem with the idea that the universe is like a clock. Just take it apart and you will know how it works. The problem is that what you see when you take it apart will be guided and constrained by what you are expecting and willing to see.
@DoctorCalabria
This interview should be archived in the American Library of Congress!! Amazing. Thank you Curt for preserving greatness in our increasingly sagging intellectual culture.
@grahamhenry9368
The fact that Joscha referenced Minecraft’s “time set day” function in a serious debate about deep philosophical questions makes me so happy
@RickDelmonico
The eternal now is a dimensionless point and it is everywhere.
@VahnAeris
why would minecraft not be serious ?
@solofluye
Oh Joscha is a modern day genius he spits so much fire. Glad to have his ideas permeate better nowadays
@F--B
Autism confirmed
@arnar9478
I will pay to see Joscha Bach play minecraft
@junaidesse
You really are a superhero for brings us this level and quality of content, both in terms of the calibre of the participants and the organizational logistics involved.
@MoominPa
Thank you Curt for making your guests feel comfortable and letting your guest talk.
@andrewjaye2981
The world of academia needs to adopt and promulgate this format of reciprocal explication, as a platform to culminate the understanding of new ideas. You are pioneering the future of intellectual exploration and development.🙏💗