Throbbing Gristle were dubbed "wreckers of civilisation" by Tory MP Nicholas Fairbairn because of their 1976 exhibition "Prostitution" at the I.C.A. in London.
After terminating their first mission in 1981, TG split and the members went their seperate ways. Chris Carter and Cosey Fanni Tutti went on to form chris & cosey and started their label CTI (Conspiracy International) and recently carter tutti. Genesis P-Orridge and peter christopherson (Sleazy) went on to found psychic TV; later Sleazy and fellow PTV member Jhonn Balance left PTV to form Coil. Genesis P-Orridge still remains active with PTV3 and Thee Majesty. Chris Carter & Cosey Fanni Tutti are still recording, collaborating and touring and in 2001 became known as Carter Tutti. Cosey Fanni Tutti also has a successful career as an international artist (recently exhibiting at Tate Britian, Barbican, Los Angeles, Washington, Zurich). Peter Christopherson is now recording and performing live with Ivan Pavlov as Soi Song and solo as The Threshold Houseboys Choir.
In 2003 Throbbing Gristle regrouped.
The first new studio album from the regrouped TG was entitled 'Part Two: The Endless Not' and was released in 2007. Each of the initial CD pressings included one of a series of four different Totemic Gifts in either copper, bone, rubber or wood and the gifts were encased within the CD jewel case. The Totemic Gifts were handmade under Peter Christopherson's personal supervison in Thailand and each of the Totemic Gift CDs came in an edition of 1000.
TG have also recently released a limited edition DVD boxed set titled 'T G V'.
In 2007 TG performed live at the I.C.A. in London as a three-day installation entitled 'The Desert Shore'. This installation consisted of the band recording a cover version of Nico's classic album 'Desert Shore'. A limited edition of the live recording was later released on Industrial Records. In 2007 TG also performed a live 'soundtrack' concert to a series Derek Jarman films, with a full choir (conducted by Hildur Guรฐnadรณttir) at the Turine Hall in Tate Modern.
In 2008 TG performed two special concerts in Barcelona and Paris entitled 'Thirty Second Annual Report'. These concerts were commemorative recreations of their first album:'Second Annual Report'. Both concerts will be available as a framed limited edition vinyl release (777 copies) in 2008.
On October 29th, 2010, Throbbing Gristle announced on their website that Genesis P Orridge had informed them that she was no longer willing to perform with Throbbing Gristle and would be returning to her home in New York. Chris, Cosey and Peter would finish the tour under the name X-TG.
Throbbing Gristle - the founders of the musical Industrial - of art, which is based on experimental music-expressed with active use of samples and inharmonious combinations of sounds, as well as visualization and avant-garde live performances, often unpleasant and repulsive to the average layman. Musically TG absorbed the influence of experimental music pioneers of the 60s, such as the Fifty Foot Hose, The Velvet Underground, Can, as well as classical composers John Cage and La Monte Young.
Key member of Throbbing Gristle can formally assume a man named Neil Megson, better known as Genesis P-Orridge. Neil was born in 1950 in Manchester, in a family involved in theatrical and musical activity. His father was a jazz musician. As a child, Neil was interested in the occult, his grandmother was a psychic. At age 15, Neil began to develop a character named Genesis P-Orridge, but until 1971, all the records released under the name of Early Worm. His first record he released in 1968, it is based on improvisation on homemade instruments. In 1969, he enrolled at Hull University and created the first "sound lab" where not only make music, but hid from everyday life. Laboratories were among the devices not only cassette recorders and other devices for recording and playback of sound, but also model railway. Early Worm designed the cover artist John Cage. His book Silence was one of the main sources of inspiration for the P-Orridge. At Hull University, he studied not long, and in the same '69 safely departed from him, went to London, where he lived for a while in the commune of Exploding Galaxy. The members of the commune refused to normal life, the concept of private property and personal life, as well as the class structure of Britain. In the commune practiced discipline and costumed role play. Back in Hull, P-Orridge founded comic musical theater company with Cosey Fanni Tutti.
After some time, this group was transformed into a performance-art-shock group COUM Transmissions, focusing on sex, taboos, and paranormal phenomena. In 1971, Genesis even learned magic from William S. Burroughs. In 1973 he joined a COUM Peter ยซSleazyยป Christopherson, who is considered one of the founders of the concert sampler. His sampler consisted of a number of connected together cassette recorders and controllers. Cosey worked as a secretary, stripper, pornographic and erotic model. Famous show "Prostitution", held in 1976 at London's Institute of Contemporary Arts (ICA), included a display of pictures of naked Tutti, and her porn pictures. The show included a striptease, tampax in the glass and guards transvestites. Prostitutes, punks, men in suits and the usual inquisitive were hired to mingle with visitors to the gallery. All this even caused debate in Parliament. Members of the House of Commons demanded an explanation from the Minister of Culture, and the P-Orrige and Tutti were declared "destroyers of civilization." But this is not long in coming, and a report on the show in the newspaper Fleet Street. However, the organizers received original, cutting out the review of the newspaper and making it another one of the exhibits. Until the end, in a shocking performance COUM Transmissions involved only Genesis P-Orridge, Cosey Fanni Tutti, and Peter "Sleazy" Christopherson. These people and became the nucleus of the future band Throbbing Gristle.
Throbbing Gristle was founded October 18, 1976 in the ICA, a rock band from 4 participants. For Genesis, Cosey and Peter'u joined Chris Carter. Name to Yorkshire slang means "erect penis" (although the term 'throbbing gristle' can be employed in relation to the heart). In an episode of the comedy TV show 80's "Only When I Laugh", written by Yorkshireman Eric Chappell, character Figgis, refers to a greyhound named Throbbing Gristle. It is unlikely that the TV censors of the time were aware of all the values โโof this phrase when they were given the good scenario.
The first performance took place in Throbbing Gristle Air Gallery in London on 6 July 1976. The band played in one room, while in the next room sounded different music. Peter worked on the special effects and led to the idea of โโartificial scars, and Chris was cutting himself with a razor.
His first creative team christened word Industrial.
At this point, the headquarters of Throbbing Gristle was the home of 10 on Martello Street in East London, the team of artists address anti-West End. Living and working spaces, P-Orridge and Tutti also has a mailing address of their own record label, Industrial Records. IR logo has faded high-contrast black-and-white photograph of the main ovens of Auschwitz. In 1977, they released their debut record, "2nd Annual Report". Originally released on Industrial Records in the amount of 786 copies, it was reprinted later, thanks to the great demand among the public. Also for six years on Industrial Records were released works by such artists as Monte Cazazza, The Leather Nun, Thomas Leer and Robert Rental, Surgical Penis Klinik (SPK), Elisabeth Welch, Dorothy, Clock DVA, Richard H. Kirk, Cabaret Voltaire, as well as the famous writer William S. Burroughs. All these people and groups should be considered artists present original Industrial.
Throbbing Gristle confrontational performances were based on the annoying artistic images, including pornography and photographs of Nazi concentration camps. All this gave the band a rather bad name. However, the group always has a clear opinion that their mission - to cry out and explore the dark and obsessive sides of the human condition, rather than to make attractive music. Throbbing Gristle pioneered the use of pre-recorded samples, and extensive use of special effects to create special, terribly distorted background, usually accompanied by the rhythmic verses or colloquial speech Genesis P-Orridge. Live entertainment group is always quite different from their studio work. In addition to the studio albums were vypusheno many recordings of concerts TG.
Throbbing Gristle latest single was ยซDiscipline.ยป A recent release Industrial Records was named "Nothing Here But The Recordings", a best-of-album of tape archive William S. Burroughs, who gave the P-Orridge and Sleazy access to records. The last show TG, Mission Of Dead Souls, was held in May 1981 in San Francisco. Soon after this, Genesis and Paula P-Orridge (nรฉe Alaura O'Dell) were married in Tijuana. Throbbing Gristle ceased to exist. Industrial Records were closed and former members heralded the end of the industrial era in the music and the beginning of the post-industrial. After that, Genesis P-Orridge and Peter Christopherson created a project Psychic TV, thus becoming one of the founders not only industrial, but also acid house. Cosey Fanni Tutti and Chris Carter continued to issue records under the name Chris and Cosey. Christopherson later became half of Coil, he created with fellow Psychic TV, John Balance. All participants TG have sponsored a considerable number of films and books.
Many years later, the group got together again. The first show after a break of almost two decades, passed in 2004, Astoria Theatre, London. This was followed by two concerts in Italy in 2005 and the show in Berlin from 31 December 2005 to 1 January 2006. Also completed recording the first in many years album. In April 2007, in light of the album ยซPart Two - The Endless Notยป, well met as music critics and fans.
October 29, 2010 P-Orridge announced its withdrawal from the group. The three remaining members continued to tour in Europe under the name X-TG.
November 24, 2010 another member of the team, Peter Christopherson, died in his sleep
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Convincing People
Throbbing Gristle Lyrics
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And there's never a day
To convince people
You can play their game
You can say their name
But you won't convince people
There's several ways
To convince people
It's the name of the game
It's the game of the name
Convincing people
Convincing people
There's several ways
There's several ways
To convince people
And there's several days
And there's never a way
To convince people
There's one way though
That you'll never convince people
And that's when you try
To be someone
Who's not telling
And who's trying to compel
Who's trying to tell you
What you ought to be
Convinced of
So there's several ways
And there's several days
To convince your people
And you are the people
Convincing people
Convincing people
There's never a way
And there's never a day
To convince people
There's several ways
There's several days
We don't want to convince people
Let me tell you
I'll tell you what I want you to do
It's no way, no way, no way
To convince people
The lyrics to Throbbing Gristle's song Convincing People is a commentary on the futility of trying to convince other people of one's beliefs, values, or opinions. The song starts off with the lines, "There was never a way, and there's never a day, to convince people." This line suggests that the act of convincing people is not only impossible, but it is also pointless. The singer goes on to say "You can play their game, you can say their name, but you won't convince people." This line implies that people will not be swayed by someone who is merely imitating them or using their words without truly understanding their perspective.
The song goes on to suggest that there are several ways to convince people, but ultimately, these ways are ineffective. The line "There's one way though, that you'll never convince people, and that's when you try to be someone who's not telling" suggests that being insincere in one's message will always fall flat. The singer goes on to say "So there's several ways, and there's several days, to convince your people, and you are the people." This line implies that the only person one can truly convince is oneself.
The chorus of the song repeats the phrase "Convincing people" several times over. This repetition underscores the futile and meaningless nature of trying to convince others of anything.
Overall, the song is a bleak commentary on the human condition and the limitations of communication.
Line by Line Meaning
There was never a way
There has never been a way to truly convince people
And there's never a day
There will never be a single day where convincing people will be an easy task
To convince people
To persuade someone to believe what you believe or to think the way you think
You can play their game
You can follow their rules, and play the game in a way they wanted you to
You can say their name
You can speak in their language, understanding their perspective and their needs
But you won't convince people
Despite playing by their rules and speaking their language, it doesn't mean you'll be able to convince people
There's several ways
There are many methods and strategies to persuade or convince people
It's the name of the game
Persuasion or convincing is an essential aspect and a vital objective to achieve, and the ultimate winner is the one who can convince the most people
It's the game of the name
The reputations, the image, or the identities of both the persuader and the persuaded parties have a significant impact on the convincing game
And there's several days
There are times when convincing people is possible, and there are times when it's not
There's never a way
No single method or strategy can assure the success of the persuasion process
To convince people
As stated previously, convincing people is a complex and challenging attitude to master
There's one way though
Despite there being several methods, there's only one way not to convince people
That you'll never convince people
Trying to be someone you're not, or trying to force someone to be someone they're not, will never lead to convincing people
And that's when you try
Trying to make someone believe or think something they don't believe or think is not the way to convince people
To be someone
Aiming to create an image or persona that's not genuine, honest, or authentic
Who's not telling
Hiding information or facts, being vague or unclear about intentions, goals, or objectives
And who's trying to compel
Persuading people through force, threats, or coercion
Who's trying to tell you
Someone who only wants to tell you their opinion, not interested in listening to yours
What you ought to be
Implying there is one right or best way to be or think that everyone should follow
Convinced of
Trying to make someone believe something without giving them enough information or reasons to believe it
And you are the people
We are all part of society, and we all have a role to play in the process of convincing or being convinced
We don't want to convince people
Some of us might not be interested in persuading others or being persuaded
Let me tell you
The artist is about to deliver an important message or share some personal experience or perspective
It's no way, no way, no way
The singer is determined to challenge or reject the idea of convincing people
Lyrics ยฉ Peermusic Publishing
Written by: CHRIS CARTER, COSEY FANNI TUTTI, GENESIS P-ORRIDGE, PETER MARTIN CHRISTOPHERSON
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There's never a way, there's never a day
To convince people
You can play their game, you can say their name
But won't convince people
There's several ways, and there's several ways
To convince people
Now you people, and we people, we've got a way
To convince people
It's the name of the game
It's the game of the name
Convincing people
Convincing people
Now there's several ways, and there's several days
To convince people
And there's several ways, there's never a way
To convince people
There's one way though, that you'll never convince people
And that's when you try, to be someone
Who's not telling and who's trying to compel
Who's trying to tell you, what you ought to be convinced of
So there's several ways, and there's several days
To convince your people, and you are the people
Convincing people
Convincing people
There's never a way, and there's never a day
To convince people
There's several ways, and there's several days
We don't want to convince people
We don't want to convince
We don't want to convince people
We don't want to convince, we don't want to convince
We don't want to convince people
Let me tell you what I want
Let me tell you what I want
I want you to do
I want you to do
I'll tell you what I want you to do
I'll tell you what I want you to do
I'll tell you what I want you to do
It's no way, no way, it's no way, it's no way
To convince people
@mwells219
This had to be mind blowing to hear in 1979.
@tristramshandy9100
May 26, 1979 - Northampton Guildhall. Live with Bauhaus in support. Audience of 10 people. Now that was mind-blowing!
@philippemarois5828
No shit !!! This must have been the stuff that was popular with a cult following of 20 people!! Now itโs view as true visionary and the first industrial music venture ! Amazing what time can do to how we perceive music and art in general !
@JohnWWild
Well...yes, but I think we as an entire country were more open to something new and unsettling then than people are now. I used to play music like this in the shop where I worked in the '80's. I would not do that today.
@genossinwaabooz4373
@@tristramshandy9100 gtfo!!!
Those kind of moments!
@wmorris189
I think there is a bizarre misunderstanding that in the past everyone was a naive hayseed gazing with open mouthed amazement when confronted with original sounds, er no, we fucking loved them, sought them out, saw them live. So no in the 70s 80s we survived the scariness of Industrial Music and all the other great stuff of our youth, Iโll let you readers fill in your own decade.
@MarkasTZM
One of the few people in the world who I am genuinely disappointed I did not get to meet in person. One of the most under appreciated artists of the past 50 years. "I refuse to be the same." Convincing people, this song, has influenced my entire life and led me to a life of radical honesty.
@stjhnn8592
Mate dont worry, could have seen her in Berlin some years ago and didnt go :(
@raccpootonsuijuris6949
May I suggest one should focus on the gains they have instead of thee regret?
Take joy in what you have.
I take joy in knowing you and I share ideologies, und yet we have never needed to lay eyes upon each other.
Love has no boundaries, please do not empower death (loss) with your remorse.
Celebrate your knowledge bestowed upon thee.
In a silly way ov explanation, shall I regret you never meeting my raccoons?
@BroArmyCommander
This thread fucked with my head