And so, we find ourselves here. . .
at the end of all things. . . at th… Read Full Bio ↴And so, we find ourselves here. . .
at the end of all things. . . at the beginning of all things--and it turns out that we are not so alone, that we are not so different.

We crave Life--or rather, we crave Living almost more than Life itself.
"A thousand lives we'd give just for one that's Lived."

Or do I imagine you? If so, then what is that sound I hear? It is raw, unapologetic; it defies convention, yet is immediately accessible to all. Aggressive, playful, sexual--its melody unmistakable, its hook undeniable.

It is the Underground, and it calls out for me--no, for us. I am not imagining you. I am thousands in number, and "We, defined, must defy this, [the] Glass Palace."

~There is Life yet Underground

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Stiggy McCool

2y↑1

Hey Josh ... great discovery.

This is consistent with my observation that the zeds resist pathing away from you horizontally before coming back to you.

Also #2 ... as their first option they seem to no longer climb vertically to your elevation before pathing horizontally.

Take your corridor of death base ... now a significant number of the zeds will attack the tower you are standing on. If you build a floating base, they will crawl underneath your rather than pathing back away and up the stairs again.

It seems that the rule is: Every next movement must bring the zeds closer to their target. If they can't get closer, destroy something "in the way" or "close by".

The solution I have found is to cantilever your horizontal fighting platform 7+ blocks (7 seems to be the magic number) from the support wall -- the platform needs to be 7+ blocks off the ground (looks like an upside down "L"). You will still have ~40% of zeds who will group directly underneath where you are standing (and they will 'magically' follow your position underneath if you move even though they can't see you). ~60% of zeds will still path up your stairs to your fighting position if you make enough noise -- if you melee then you need to switch out to shoot a few zeds periodically. A simple chute for pipe bombs, grenades etc. or a way to shoot exploding bolts/arrows/rockets is sufficient to deal with the zeds underneath.

Fun and games, right?

Sam Madinah

how to fix this as programmer,
make new AI pathing systems

path A : fastest way to the target
path B : least resistance way to the target
path C : shortest way to the target
path D : current one

do while TRUE
{
at horde night, and with every wave , assign the 4 pathing AIs to 4 different zombies and spawn them in same location

after some time, check which one is most successful one, then assign that winning AI path to the reset of the zombies
}

All comments from YouTube:

JolsonWTTM

2y↑18

I remember back in the day me and my friends built a base into the side of the mountain. Our entrance was a corrider in which the zombies would funnel in and then we would shoot them/traps in a side room as they tried to break down the door. We thought this was genius, started reinforcing our base from the front moving backwords. Blood Moon rolls around and were just sitting their waiting... and waiting. Finally they come... however, the AI thought it was easier for the zombies to tunnel through the mountain from the back then try and break through the door

Miguel V

That makes sense with zombie pathing. The entrance was too hard so they went through the softer materials to get in. You needed to build a cement/metal lining to prevent that.

Te Be

I think everyone learns this lesson the hard way 😂. Mountain cave was my favorite type of failed base

Christopher Gale

2y↑1

You didn’t build anything around you? Was it just a dirt cavern? That sounds like a fun base tbh

elitearbor

2y↑23

Wait, does that... does that mean that we could have a straight shot up to an elevated base, complete with a ladder to the ground, if the path first has to go down a couple of blocks? I'm going to have to test that.

Zonker Harris

2y↑5

@Tj Ace Saying 'your' instead of 'you're' while telling people they're wrong is sad.

Tj Ace

@elitearbor YOur Both Wrong

elitearbor

I mean a straight shot, no jumping up a couple of blocks, no door, no hatch, just open. I think it's doable with how the zombie AI currently is!

Galaxis

2y↑2

Maybe, but isn't it always easier to just have it up two blocks?

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Christoph Tved

2y↑15

What if you replace the dirt/ground with concrete blocks? would they "digg" through them, or go for an easier way?

HR6Gaming

I guess they would go for an easier way if they didn't it will be a while for them to get through depending on how thick the concrete is

Monte Carlo

2y↑2

Right back in the beginning, the underground base was great as the zombies couldn't get to you - then they added digging. Digging killed underground bases and now there just is no value in all the work required to make them. The drop damage alone isn't reason enough to build them, especially after the Fun Pimps nerfed drop damage. Personally I hate that underground bases are no longer a thing, not least as I have fond memories of digging the smallest of holes on day 1 and making that my first steps in an awesome catacomb-esque underground base.

scythecustom

2y↑19

Jawoodle, try making the platform solid over top of your base. Maybe it's because the elevation directly above you didn't change?

Peter B.

Yeah, make a blister shield directly above where his entire underground room is...

W D

Good idea, maybe try raising only the size of area that mirrors the dimensions of that back bit of the base below, the wall area might be too large and they are seeing that first block as a separate action or sequence somehow. I.e does the fact they won’t go up to go back down have anything to do with the proximity of the two

Vesa Silander

Had the same thought but I don't think it works. Definitely worth of testing though. Like JaW said zombies hopping over looked more like them just avoiding/getting stuck to obstacles while getting to their actual attack path, I'm pretty sure they would still see it as the shortest route and just hop on top of the platform and start beating the block above player. But like said, worth of testing, and maybe make it 2-3 blocks high if one block isn't enough.

JaWoodle

2y↑3

Interesting

scythecustom

2y↑2

@J D yes exactly. The whole area raised by one block.

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mechasmoke

2y↑2

I always enjoy watching you tinker with the zombie mechanics! Although, it normally lasts a bit longer (that's what she said mate!) 🤣🤣 I can't believe that actually worked!! What an amazing find! TFPs are definitely going to remove that ASAP. Keep up the hard work man, always love the muppetry!

CautiousPancake

Love this! I feel like there's an answer in there somewhere, will have to give this some thought 🤯 The whole up or down but not both logic to get to you is something that I feel like we should be exploiting in other designs as well!! Great find!

Alex L

I can't wait to see what the next playthrough will be. I really liked the last series because you weren't doing repetitive trader quests. You just raided what you wanted to and that's how it should be! I'd love to see one where you build your own home base...but no matter what you do, I'm here for it.

Brandon Todd

2y↑15

What if it's because the ladders are a "block" and they see it as a whole pillar of concrete? Do that same ladder, but with a block of air next to the ladder.

Tmoose

I think you're right

Apollo

no zombies can go up and down ladders, believe me, i found out the hard way on my first horde night

Creseleg

2y↑4

What would some concrete above you do? Make the dig harder and would they path another way?

Mikayla Goodrich

The way I would solve the having a room back there is to have a channel along the sides with the same sloped wedge blocks so that they drop down the pit anyway and then come running to me once they're on the level. The drop resets the AI and you back it up with pressure plate activated dart traps so that they take damage and come out of destroy everything mode.

OSYofRR

Could you make the invisivble wall above your head where they were digging and make its dimensions so that the pit is the best option?

grassy 42633

2y↑1

Maby you could make a block grid over where you stand so that there are always trying to jump up to go down everywhere but the shaft.

Ravens Cravens

2y↑6

This might be a cheeky idea but what if you build the zombie force field above where you stand. Would the zombies just run around all night or possibly dig beside the forcefield or would they run straight for the drop zone lol

JaWoodle

2y↑2

They'd dig through the forcefield to get down into the ditch below I reckon. FFs (the new one) only work if they have somewhere they CAN path to.

Stiggy McCool

2y↑1

Force fields have been patched out again :(

deathshocker77

2y↑1

Josh, you might want look up on YT, there few video's up about blocks you can shoot thru and block you can throw things thru. zombies see them as full block but smg turrets behind this block shoot thru them and just kill everything dead. maybe you can work something like that into your next run you do.

Jeremiah Harvey

2y↑15

What do you have planned next? Would it be some kind of under ground playthrough

Alex L

2y↑2

Yeah probably darkness falls so he can live with Jen

partenie andrei

2y↑1

Probably darkness falls

JaWoodle

2y↑6

I have something planned

Patrick Kenyon

2y↑3

Woodle mole!

S4M4NTHA F15H3R

2y↑5

@D Nonn gopherWoodle

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Holly Hailfire

2y↑12

Yes! JW Park
Love when you bring us back here, seeing what you come up with is one of my favorite things

JaWoodle

2y↑3

I'm glad you guys enjoy breaking the AI as much as me

Eric's fishing adventures

2y↑1

Where there's a jawoodle, there's always a way!
To defeat the zombie AI.

Randy Patton

Try a stairwell descending the inside of the pit leading them to the bottom. Painless for them and quick to find you. They may have some anti-damaging programming and a easy decent might be the answer.

sirjdog21

I made the crawling base in my playthrough that you used for the wasteland of Mega City and for some reason about 80% of zombies went to my tower where I stand and only like 20% went to the crawl part. I have no idea what caused that.

Lost the playthrough anyways after the horde because a random dog horde showed up and sneaked attack me and I died to a laceration inside the trader :(

Gamer Artimagus

Hilarious 😄 maybe try covering that specific spot with a block instead of a wall around it. I know it's a bit much to do in survival, but you could also build a pyramid with the top on that spot... Don't know if it'd work (my PC isnt running at the moment to check) but one accidental jumpicould see... Multiple however may be outside their AI

Thadeus Wells

I'm surprised the pathing didn't reset to the new elevation when they jumped on the one block wall. Maybe if it was three or four blocks deep it would've given the pathing time to reset and Theye'd find the hatch.

Don Pfoutz

You forgot one thing when you made the 'invisible wall'. You needed that up and down thing. Maybe taking one level of the interior of that area?

Verschal

Stand/stay beyond the fall pit. So the one block up ladder shaft, conected to a corridor that is bypassing the fall pit and fighting/trap possition. into a T juction that completes the conection towards juicy aussie brains.
This way the "best" path to the player is always via the pit.
Edit: make it a flat "J" .The fall portion on the tip of short end. Player/base/killbox in the bend and the 1 up Ladder at the tip of the long end of the "J".

Daniel Jones

Darkness Falls has been updated for A20 and is even more brutal. You should check it out again. I have a version of this set for the entrance to my bedrock bunker. It works great

IStandAlone Gaming

makes me wonder that if you're in the 2nd level of your theoretical base could you trap the zombies in a perpetual loop of falling down and climbing ladders up? also could a 1 layer wall on the surface be used as a funnel?

Talidras

this could be used with plain blocks when mining. this way they wont jump down the hole to you and instead dig which will give you time to run up and fight them up top.

Tyler E

I'm pretty sure that you are too far away from the hole for their pathing to include it, I came across a similar issue in A18 with the corridor of death if I made it too long. Their pathing probably starts with your character's position and only goes out so far horizontally as a way of optimizing the game so that it doesn't bog down your CPU.

Coughin' Gaming

Love the JaWoodle Park videos! Breaking the AI is just what you do best!

kittencobbler

What if you had filled in that cement rectangle with concrete.. would they have dug down or broken it to dig to you? Or would they go to the hole instead

Deer Runner

I am playing my first long playthrough of this game and found just a wide enough reinforced concrete 4 high wall plus 3 layers of iron spikes with 2 layers next to wall and one layer outward. Kills most then allows me to bomb any holes killing the pack that made it but since it is so large almost all zombies ignore the holes made starting over. The uniformity and size really spread them out making then to weak to effectively get in

Stiggy McCool

2y↑1

Stiggy McCool

Actually ....

I just tested a 10-block elevated the fighting platform with support blocks straight underneath my position with a version of your crawling base. Elevation matters!! They pathed perfectly.

The zeds must have an 'aura' zone (~8 blocks??). If you are inside this zone it they won't path away from you. More testing.

Smylie Time

2y↑4

Joshy boy out here making TFP level up their game non stop... Goku and Vegeta typa 😂

John Engels

What if were you made the invisible wall test you just filled it all in with blocks so right above you was 1 block higher then every were else will they still jump up there and start breaking the blocks to dig straight down to you?

601salsa

Do the block up then cover the entire area over the top with the door post thingies. They refused to walk on them over the pit it might discourage them enough to avoid it.

Dug Wal

How about making the outline of your base on top down 1 so level with that side of the chute? The opposite of the wall. Dig down 1 level. They get to that spot and instead of digging they can keep walking level across to the pit? 🤷‍♂️

Johnathan Carr

Make the box again, remove one block at the drop and put slopes down into the drop. They should see the open block and think they can walk through it

C Vernon

What the devs need to do is include a Breadth Search First algorithm to determine the shortest path to the player (shortest open path) and have them go that way. But hey, if they just leave the system full of exploitable logic might as well use it.

Moose The1st

Down below with that little pylon ( end video ) build a slippery bridge, they see a way across by slip off and repeat. The players then shoot what is trying to run across. As for the top, place a rectangular pyramid across the area between the hatch and the pit, then place log spikes all over the pyramid.

Nathan Williams

You could always just make the chute smaller. You don’t really need it so wide, and that would give them a shorter path which means more space for you to build before their pathing swaps to digging.

You also don’t necessarily need bedrock for an underground base. Now that you can easily control their pathing, you could build a kill crawl space just a few blocks down and use this trick to make them path to it.

SpiderKat

Instead of the wall you had being completely closed, what if you kept it open on the hole side? If the zombies think they can jump around the wall but fall down the hole instead. I'm hoping that would work.
Great video btw!

tornokthegreat

2y↑6

What are the zombies physics concerning water?
Would putting a small lake around that area keep the horde from digging?

Peter B.

@JaWoodle Dig, maybe....but they seem to have an issue swinging at walls when they are supposed to be in 'rage mode'....

JaWoodle

Zombies still dig under water 😒

OSYofRR

I was thinking his invisble wall design and THEN over top of a lake above where his head was. A lot of hassle and work but it would probably do the job.

elevown

2y↑1

You didnt test all the variables Josh- Im wondering if you'd had that ladder there WITHOUT the one block raise, just straight down into the ground- maybe they would have STILL ignored it.
You didnt test the baseline case. It might be some other aspect of their AI making them want to just go dig directly down over you.

JoMomma1973

What if you cover the ground above your base with concrete to discourage digging?

Mr kinkladze

Try a circular block around 5 blocks down from the top
in one of the corners of the pit, & then the same block for the next few blocks down, Z's see it as a path

Peter B.

It sure seems like they messed up something in the AI alright....I remember building a 'shoot down' base above the entrance to the Higashi tower, and they would go up the FAR stair...go all the way around up to the NEXT floor ...and then dig down through the ceiling above me. ...that's a LONG assed pathing they used to take. You can't really get them to do that as much anymore. (This was when they first put digging back in the game btw.)

CJ Bowles

Hey Jawoodle....what if there are ramps going up the one block to the entry? would that change their pathing?

TheAliceMonster

I didn't watch the first episode before this one (I didn't see it on my for you page)
Did you bring up the distance of how deep into your base you can go before they stop pathing correctly?
I'd be interested in knowing that.
I got the gist of how the base works from this video and don't really want to watch a half hour vid just to find that one piece of info if someone could please respond with that I would be grateful.

TheCybercoco

Did you consider placing blocks on top of their digs spot to make that spot a place they have to jump up to (like a square floor of 9 to 12 blocks), rather than the perimeter wall that you made?

Andarius Gates

You should use this design in your next series!
But what if you do a 2 block thick slab right above that part of your base?

David Ward

Ahhh I love woodle park so good! I'm glad to see that engineering degree and mind hard at work!!!!

Lucy Potts

The greatest enemy of every zombie...raising their knees. Some interesting pathing!

Shaso 1008

2y↑1

Move the entrance up another 10 blocks and have a ladder two blocks up and it should still work no matter the patch

MabusTheDark

Would having the ladder closer to the pit fix this? If the issue is distance away I'd figure eliminating that would work a treat. As ye said, you could have a room or so above the fighting area to live in quite comfortably!

DJ Beasley

I have noticed that the Zombie AI is all of the place. They used to go for the easist path no matter what, but now when you make a very easy path and move away from it they would rather tear your walls down the to run around to the path you want them to take. It really screws up base building.

Gavin Pearcey

Try making the landing area on the same horizontal plane you are standing on. My gut feeling is that falling in the hole is a non optimal path because they fall down and then have to go back up. The sand to get to you should be something like 20000 damage to get through, so they are calculating that to go down into the hole, they would have to do more than 20000 damage to get back up to your level down there. I don't think they calculate those block steps down there as part of the pathing, so they see a lot more damage of blocks that way.

Jacob

LMAO

This reminds me of the old days, back in alpha like 6, the trick was to do entrance in water. Cause zeds couldn't jump up onto it from the water and they couldn't dig down to you cause they would "hit" the water instead of the soil under it.

Will Haines

2y↑1

For the love of all that is holy, the next "AI Test" had better be under an overpass for our Hobo Life series.

Bryon Aspenlieder

2y↑14

I guess thats why zombies have such a hard time getting into that "Well" bunker. they wont jump up that 1 block

Christopher G

Didn't use to be the case either, I remember a few alpha's back getting swarmed by a horde in that well bunker

Peter B.

They would do that to the desert bunker house also....they found it MUCH faster to blast through the sand directly beside the house and then beat through the 300 health metal walls into the corridor below.....than to actually go down the cellar stairs and ladder.

Peter B.

Yep...but since it is the closest way down they will dig down around it and then beat through the wall to get through.

JaWoodle

2y↑2

Yeah good call!

Dab Daddy

now what would happen if you just added a ladder that went further down in your base to a lower level more low than the chute would they try to go down the chute then climb up to you and go through the saws? like instead of going up for a potential base and doing a second floor do a basement under what you currently have?

Clarence Wilson

I think if the base outline you did above was all the way up to the pit and that end was open, may have to be at least two block high, they would try to either come down the drop shaft or at least cross the pit to get to the place they would start digging. Either way they would have to cross the pit?

ProtoGaming03

Isn't it because of the same issue you had with the base start design, so the distance issue. I noticed it when building the crawl base made it to long and they pathed like that.

studiouslaura

The joy I get from thinking about all the Fun Pimps sitting around the conference room table after a long holiday weekend going, "DAMMIT WOODLE DID IT AGAIN" is enormous. It makes me cackle and if I had a little free cash it would send me directly to Patreon. Please keep breaking the game - it just makes me laugh so much. :)

Toasted Prinny

i had a tower go up with a ladder, then back down into the hole further and made the zombies path into the drop pit 3 blocks lower and they always chose the block pit... there was times where they just dug under the tower entrance though.

Nope Nope

I have a feeling that the pathing is acting strange due to them seeing a path down then it has to recalculate because they have to go back up once they fall and hit bedrock, another possiblity is bedrock itself is throwing spanners in the pathing due to having characteristics that are not natural seeing as how bedrock is indestructible, I would try and fill the bottom layer of the put in to get them off bedrock and build your bunker down a few blocks so there is no down then up mechanics...which will screw with the pit idea and staggering their timings but mega city demonstrated timing is not completely crucial to function of the crawling base

Brian Ramos

2y↑1

Wait a minute.. They'll jump that wall so that they can dig like they wanted to? Why didn't they just then go for the ladder at that point since they'd already gone through the "trouble" of jumping up? Is it because the ladder doesn't connect to ground? Or could it be that they were still staggered when they jumped and didn't have time to realize they were standing before falling back down to dirt and start digging? Maybe make that wall thicker just to see if they will then go for your ladder? See if connecting the ladder to ground is the answer to why they won't go for it?

Shadow Productions

from what I've read they don't repath until their first path is complete. so if something changes midpath they won't change their path.

Keith Olson

2y↑2

I would love to see you come up with a 'Darkness Falls' (...or even 'Dark Sorcery'--DF + 'Sorcery') horde base. (I'm pretty sure that the demons and succubi will toast your cheese. :grin: )

Darrylx444

I think you need to add some tiny "shelf" blocks (corner plates, whatever) part-way down on the wall of the drop shaft so the Zeds can feel comfortable jumping in, rather than digging. Most will fall past it anyway, and the odd one that sticks the landing will get knocked off shortly by the mob raining on it's head. Reinforce the wall in the area just in case. Add multiple shelf blocks above each other in case one breaks.
GN&S did an episode about it.

G3Synth

"GN&S did an episode about it."

Any chance you can provide a link to that specific video? I don't know what to look for on his channel.

Paul Walsh

What about a shallow pit where you tried the one block wall and put a force field there and around the hatch. And want to see a day 100 horde but put smg and shotgun turrets and sammy tje sledge going would be cool.

Bob Dylan

Make the top Rectangle on top of the Base all concrete. It would be stronger and maybe make them path down hole?

nitnoid24

2y↑1

What if you build that invisible wall out of ladders instead of blocks? Wouldn't they see that as a path up before going down?

netslave

What about an roof top sorta thing 2-3 block high over where your base tunnel is? they wont go up to go down, so if the area is elevated a block or 2 higher. maybe even dig 2-3 blocks down the build back up 2 high above ground level? thats alot more digging than falling.

Nicky Riley

You should look into the curtain block has full health and really no pathing for the ai makes a brilliant zombie forcefield

Nick

The only way would be to have the opening cover your base and taper down further to redirect them to your pit.

Sam McDade

This since it works on the Hord base would also be a goo way of protecting yourself while mining since they would rather dig down than go up one block to get to you wouldent it ?

Zonker Harris

"... because this episode is done." No, it isn't! You came up with that great idea and I need to see you abuse it more!

Edwin Wiles

Point of interest. We accidentally made a no-spawn base in the current version. (A20.5 b2) It was supposed to be a drop base, but when we put a 100m radius concrete slab on top. The zombies refuse to spawn on the concrete. We had to go to the surface, and stand close to the edge of the pad for them to spawn.

michael bruun pedersen

what if you made one side have the wedge all the way down? like to them it's a staircase instead of just a lower place. so they don't have to dig to get to you. maybe that will stop the dig command they get.

Joe Long

would they still choose to dig even if there was a layer of concrete blocks sunk 1 block down over the top of the base between the funnel and ladder ?

Matthew Knobel

I have done a wedge ramp from bedrock to the surface and just left it open. The opening is so far away that they don't see to use it.

Orbin Collins

I think placing skinny poles out of the walls maybe half way down the shoot so the zombies think they can jump down to you but they fall when they land on the skinny poles, kinda like the barn base when they would jumping up to you, would love to see if it would work. Have a good day mate

Andrew Ledin

What if the shaft were a bit smaller and you built the base around it above the killing room?

Brantyn

You have a dirt gap between the ladder shaft and the main underbase section where you are putting you character. Looks like they are trying to dig right down to that gap that isnt concrete.

DeadMeat Games

One block on both sides of a trench is fun. They won't jump the trench but you can and they will run back and fourth making traps or fighting a horde on foot fun.

Llama King

Well i guess one solution although not cost effective would be to mirror the base by putting a pit both sides. Then the zombies would have a choice to which pit they choose to fall down depending on where they spawn. Only probs with that is you would have two places on horde night to defend, would work great for co-op though. The other downside is the mats and digging time required. You could then put the hatch on one of the other sides and use the door where you put the dart traps as the entry and exit place to go up the ladder up and out. This would mean you would be able to build anywhere in the middle of where you stay on horde night, up above to make your workshop base. Again would require a lot of work but thats part of the fun!

Llama King

Another idea is if you dug a smaller pit between the exit hatch and the dropdown zone and put your force field on it, if you came out far enough maybe the zombies wouldnt see where the FF ends and dig there if you came out far enough. That way you might be able to move back from where you fight the zombies and because above you would be the FF they would see the pit as the best option to get to you again. Could work i guess.

Calvin Barnes

you can use the zombies to dig most of your pit. Make your entrance, then a small tunnel to where you want the pit, stand there and let them dig down to you.

Munk and Bear

That is a really good idea because that will be a frigging huge amount of digging in survival possibly dynamite

Patrick

no wonder I never have any problem when I'm mining. I always make something like that just so I can find the mine later. I had no idea I was making the mine entrance zombie proof.

James Worster

Not anymore thanks to this guy they gonna patch our zombie patches (I did the same thing but 5 blocks down with a hatch

MrSeether75

I wonder if a gradual slope starting at the hatch and sloping down towards the big hole would have an effect... ...probably not!

BobieLee Swagger

How far away from the chute can you get before they stop seeing it as a viable path?

Bru Dog

If they dont like going up before down? Well they went up then back down on your fence idea. What happens if you fill in that fenced area? Will they go up to dig?

ZombiePhill

2y↑2

I’d be curious to see what would happen if you replaced the surface sand with a concrete floor directly above you?

ZombiePhill

@Stiggy McCool that is more than likely the case but still would be interesting to see, also could just make a zombie proof force field around that area to prevent them from being able to path there, though that might get a little too big

Stiggy McCool

2y↑1

I am not sure this would work. It seems that the rule is: Every next movement must bring the zeds closer to their target. If they can't get closer, destroy something "in the way".

I suspect that they would start attacking the concrete blocks.

Andarius Gates

I has the same idea but make that surface extend at least 2 blocks above the ground.

Dreadlord Daemon

could use this to surround the entrance when digging up buried supplies/treasure...

FooBar

Could you chuck down a bunch of spike traps where they're wanting to dig? Do you get XP if the zombies die to spike traps?

PaulC2K

If you cant crowd-source a solution to the problem of being too far from the drop-hole, you could look into modifying the hole & wedge passage design. That worked flawlessly, and the problem only exists when outside the pathing boundaries for the hole, causing it to look for other pathing options.

Sticking to the boundaries that you'd already established in the previous Woodle Park ep, you could run the wedge passage alongside the hole, rather than heading away, and continue using the known boundaries around the hole to build the base - surely as long as you dont build living space outside that boundary, and the wedge passage still represents the path of least resistance to the AI pathing, it should be fine.

Absolutely scandalous that the raise bunker actually defeats their AI. Its these videos that are the reason i sub, while having no particular desire to play the game myself, i love the ingenuity and seeing thought process that goes into finding these solutions. Defeating the AI seems to have become a mini-game, between the Pimps and yourself :D

peter put

This is common know, if zombies are on top of you they try top get to block just below you and if zombies are below you they try to get to the block right above you, they will not go up(not even one block like you tested it) if you are down them and vice versa.

rincewindTA

JaWoodle Park episode!! And quite quick success!! Let's hope that the cheeky Pimps aren't watching!

Ro The Hated

Might be worth checking how many horizontal blocks from the main drop tunnel you have to be before they go into auger mode. put your meatbag in the fighting position and start backing up block by block until they start digging. Then you can start switching elevation to see if vertical distance is a factor in pathing. Just a thought.

BTW, To honor your muppetry the fun pimps need to put Zombie drop bears in the forests of the game to make it truly terrifying.

Ro The Hated

To be fair, I realize you did most the horizontal calc. Figuring out the vert factor might get the numbers to add in a "slippery slide" above to increase the distance from drop to fighting position. You have a bit of room to work with considering the depth of the fighting position.

Great vid yet again btw

Ian Mason

Always love a JaWoodle park episode

Samuel Neuin

2y↑2

If you stand in your fighting position during horde night, it appears that they take the big fall instead of digging to get to you

John Sommers

@JaWoodle I think it comes down to distance x resistance, if you are 50 blocks straight down vs 20 blocks to the pit 50 blocks down then 20 back to your character I think the digging ends up being the least resistance