V-Trigger is a wrestling-themed powerviolence band based out of Elyria, OH.… Read Full Bio ↴V-Trigger is a wrestling-themed powerviolence band based out of Elyria, OH. They self-released a 10-song demo, a standalone single, and an EP of wrestling theme song covers, before signing to Flowerpot Records in late 2019. Their new EPs, The Human Condition and Broken Record, are out now, with more releases soon to come.

The Game
V-Trigger Lyrics

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I'm in the same old mess again
Another love has reached the end
You never really gave a damn
I thought you were a better man

Oh no, you got me in a headlock
Checking my alarm clock
Now there's nothing more

It don't mean a thing 'cause I don't wanna mess around with a joker
And I don't really care 'cause this is my life not a game of poker
And I don't give a damn, my heart may be drunk but my mind is sober
So can you get the gist, time to make a move 'cause the game is over

La la la la la la

I gave you 20,000 chances
And put up with your cheating glances
So open up that prison door
'Cause I don't love you anymore

Oh no, you got me in a headlock
Checking my alarm clock
Now there's nothing more

It don't mean a thing 'cause I don't wanna mess around with a joker
And I don't really care 'cause this is my life not a game of poker
And I don't give a damn, my heart may be drunk but my mind is sober
So can you get the gist, time to make a move 'cause the game is over

La la la la la la la

Oh no, I've started a war
My emotions are just cuttin' me raw
Oh no, you lowered your score
'Cause you messed up good and I cannot ignore
Oh no, tears galore
But I changed my mind 'cause he's broken the law
Oh no, I've seen it before
And your system's 'bout to crash to the floor
Crash to the floor
Crash to the floor
Crash to the floor

La la la la la la la

It don't mean a thing 'cause I don't wanna mess around with a joker
And I don't really care 'cause this is my life not a game of poker
And I don't give a damn, my heart may be drunk but my mind is sober
So can you get the gist, time to make a move 'cause the game is over

La la la la la la la

Overall Meaning

In V-Trigger's song, "The Game," the artist sings about being caught in a cycle of failed relationships. The lyricist expresses disappointment in the behavior of their partner, who did not seem to value their love. Despite the pain of the breakup, the singer is resolute about moving on and finds strength in the realization that they deserve better. The lyrics' message emphasizes the importance of standing up for oneself and rejecting relationships that do not serve one's best interests.

In the chorus, the singer sings about not wanting to play games with their lover. They have no desire to engage in a game of poker, suggesting that they are serious about their life and future. The singer's heart may be confused, but their mind is clear, and they are not interested in settling for less than they deserve. This message is reinforced by the repetition of the phrase, "the game is over," suggesting that the singer has learned a hard lesson and is moving on in life.

Line by Line Meaning

I'm in the same old mess again
I'm once again in a familiar situation of heartbreak and disappointment

Another love has reached the end
Another relationship has come to a close

You never really gave a damn
You never truly cared about me and my feelings

I thought you were a better man
I had higher expectations for your character and behavior

Oh no, you got me in a headlock
You have me trapped and feeling helpless

Checking my alarm clock
I'm constantly aware of the time and how much of my life is being wasted on this situation

It don't mean a thing 'cause I don't wanna mess around with a joker
It's pointless to engage with someone who is not serious or genuine

And I don't really care 'cause this is my life not a game of poker
I don't have any more energy or patience to expend on this relationship, it's time to prioritize my own life and goals

And I don't give a damn, my heart may be drunk but my mind is sober
I may still have feelings for you, but I'm rational enough to know that it's not healthy or worthwhile to stay in this relationship

So can you get the gist, time to make a move 'cause the game is over
I hope you understand that it's time for us to move on and end this relationship

I gave you 20,000 chances
I've given you countless opportunities to prove yourself and show that you care

And put up with your cheating glances
I've tolerated and ignored your attempts at being unfaithful

So open up that prison door
It's time to free myself from this relationship and move on

'Cause I don't love you anymore
My feelings have changed and I no longer have love or affection for you

Oh no, I've started a war
My decision to end things has caused conflict and tension between us

My emotions are just cuttin' me raw
I'm feeling very vulnerable and exposed

Oh no, you lowered your score
Your actions have made me think less of you

'Cause you messed up good and I cannot ignore
Your mistakes were too significant for me to overlook or forgive

Oh no, tears galore
I'm shedding lots of tears and feeling very emotional

But I changed my mind 'cause he's broken the law
My mind has changed and I'm ending things because you've done something morally reprehensible or illegal

Oh no, I've seen it before
I've been through similar situations in the past

And your system's 'bout to crash to the floor
Your way of life or habits are about to come to an end or fail

Crash to the floor
Complete failure or collapse

Lyrics © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC, Kobalt Music Publishing Ltd.
Written by: ANUROOP PILLAI, JONATHAN SHAVE, ROY KERR, VANESSA BROWN

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Most interesting comment from YouTube:

@n1hondude

2y↑1

I love the fact that his stones have an RNG element to it and wish other characters had it:

- Cody's VTs:
-- VT1, Army Knife, Combat knife, Tanto
-- VT2 Pipe, Barbed wire baseball bat, Crowbar

Abigail's VS2: the regular tire, monster truck tire, a stone wheel

Rose's VS2 and Menat's VT1:
Different properties on the satelites, burn, freeze, stun, poison
Menat's VT2, random percentage all orbs will have a property

Like if you agree and lets tweet these ideas to Capcom, maybe they'll be able to do a "DEFINITIVE DEFINIFITE" Update

All comments from YouTube:

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑635

btw I hope you don't mind me calling literally none of Oro's specials by their actual names, if you've seen what names they came up for this stuff you'd know why

@BaconBotVbeta

2y↑404

bro, what do you MEAN you don't remember the name of oro's "supermassive spinnyjutsu poopenfarten ex"?

@megatennepster3833

2y↑53

Im not sure how often i keep saying this, and pardon if this is annoying, but have you ever thought of a video on Iceman from mvc2? One of the sickest characters in the game

@Guitar-Dog

2y↑143

It's cool, you say light to EXtatsu, I see light an a EX kick, I know what's happening

@bencrandall-malcolm8303

2y↑174

wdym don't you love uhh

checks notes

Kishin Kuchu Jigoku Guruma?

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑165

@@BaconBotVbeta can't wait to land Oro's iconic Tutsudutuberru

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@caldw615

2y↑115

True Oro mains choose Vtrigger 1, while playing with one arm tucked inside their shirts and on a Wifi connection for a real challenge.

@rawkfistgaming

2y↑95

"Can't find any practical use"
Jargon for "pure swag strats"

@FruitySpruce

2y↑635

Yeah but consider the following: He puts the turt on he head

@loading....001

2y↑30

That's a good arguement

@Gammera2000

2y↑36

The move could cost half his health bar and I'd still use it for head turtle

@LloydTheZephyrian

1y↑16

@@Gammera2000 It could literally put me at 1HP and 1 hit from being stunned, and I'd still put turt on head.

@tempatchtheveryweird3665

1y↑1

Crazy seeing you here I've been watching you for awhile lol

@LloydTheZephyrian

1y↑1

@@tempatchtheveryweird3665 watching who?

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@xeaxanthyxo

2y↑529

Just like in 3rd strike, stones and balls are better for Oro instead of the shitty command grab with the number 1 slapped on it

@phantomspaceman

2y↑41

It's the cost of having two of the best supers in the game. Kishin Riki does have a cool 2 meters version and if you manage to land two grabs it does the most damage of any of his moves.

@Se7enRemain

2y↑9

Plane sounds 😔

@RTU130

@TheBlackestWhiteGuy

So you mean the basket ball, or how we could see his balls?

@Kenzamaka

2y↑236

Ah it's Big Yellow talking about Old Yellow and how his VT1 is Liquid Yellow.

@kameme98765

2y↑11

This is gold

@kameme98765

2y↑18

or should I say, oro

@Neogears1312

2y↑5

You earned that like.

@Shuriport

2y↑1

@@kameme98765 its not gold its metallic yellow

@corbandotson4295

2y↑1

@@kameme98765 Gorold

@LakituAl

2y↑257

the stomping in the air grab give me such tantrum vibes. feels like Oro asked for Mcdonalds and mom said tomorrow for the third time in a row

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑127

Oro when he gets the wrong toy in his happy meal

@Neogears1312

2y↑51

@@BigYellowSilly oro be livin the simple life, raising pets, getting rejected by women, and busting the tengu stones of food service workers for the pettiest reasons.

@PomadaGaming

1y↑3

@@BigYellowSilly oro when he gets girl toy

@dokuganryu1565

39w↑1

Aggresively Chicken comboes

@sonicphoenix7

14w↑1

the camera work is so good on it as well its so funny

@Pinion396

2y↑591

Oro's idle animations are super-endearing. You go weird grandpa.

@MusicoftheDamned

I just wish he'd cover his face when he sneezed. I know he's a hermit, but it's not like being a hermit mandates being a slob, and he's setting such a bad example for the tortoise too.

@J0ulez5

14w↑3

When he fights Alex it's like two hobos fighting over a turtle

@LuisRodriguez-tp8rz

2y↑324

Oro's VT1 is like "I'm holding back, boy".

Oro's VT2 is like "I'M DONE HOLDING BACK. NOW HAVE A TASTE OF MY POWER".

@Felipera_

2y↑39

Vt1 is loro (lore oro)

@TheBlackestWhiteGuy

1y↑3

Taste his stones

@iang0th

2y↑225

I wouldn't be surprised if VT1 is bad on purpose. I mean, they would have known from the beginning that everyone was going to want to use Tengu Stone, since it's such an iconic part of the character, and it was naturally going to be a V-Trigger, so having the other V-Trigger turn out stronger would actually be a big disappointment for a lot of people.

@supernebula101

2y↑43

That's one of my biggest gripes with the V-System as a whole. I mean, how many times have you seen a VT2 Urien? I wonder if the second V-Trigger was planned during development, because it feels like a lot of characters had cool unique aspects shoved into the V-System, and then when they had to add a second one, they didn't really know what to do

@DemonBlanka

2y↑27

@@supernebula101 This design made more sense when there was only 1 trigger per character, look at how janky and retrofitted Necalli's 2 triggers are, Capcom really didn't have good ideas for 2 triggers for every character, there's so many generic "More juggle/hits" install triggers. It's just funny that they did this shit again after they'd already committed to two triggers per character.

@PomadaGaming

1y↑2

Yeah they didn’t have to make it This bad though

@Kawi31

2y↑192

"Capacom really made sure oro wouldnt get any fucking oki after the command grab that they gave him a wavedash" made me laugh harder then it should

@budgetcoinhunter

2y↑26

Him jetting across the screen in 10 frames is funnier.

@Sean_Bird

2y↑357

I have to say, the air grab comboing after a DP looks really cool. So at least V-Trigger 1 has that going for it.

@JohnDoe-vq9ck

2y↑20

Pick it for the style

@k96man

2y↑31

I like how he loses track of the turtle in the similar vein one would lose their eyeglasses on their forehead

@WhoIsSirChasm

2y↑84

Benefits of VT1 over VT2, from what I've gleaned from this video:

- The turtle can land on Oro's head, and it is cute (mundane with post-CA animation, but Oro looking for it is a nice touch)

@mitchelyakowec4649

2y↑29

Damn, Oro's so powerful that throwing the opponent into the corner with VT1 moves the whole stage beneath his feet.

@theosouris7063

2y↑466

This could’ve been a 3-second short. All you had to say is that it isn’t VTII.

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑277

no tengu

thanks for watching remember to smash that like button and hit the bell

@5spec

2y↑12

@@BigYellowSilly *clap clap clap*

@ryugalul3414

2y↑16

@@BigYellowSilly no stones?

@magicalvisions4704

2y↑4

No I would’ve liked to hear what it actually do

@thenerdyanarchist3492

2y↑5

Just because something else is better does not always mean that the other is completely obsolete. In this case, yes it is (this is the point of the video) , but this is not always the case.

@OccuredJakub12

2y↑117

I know they called it the final update but it'd be cool if VT1 had these buffs:

- you can extend the grounded throw for more damage at the cost of draining the whole meter
- both versions leave the enemy in hard knockdown and much closer to Oro
- you can cancel his jumpkicks into the air throw
- you can cancel any tatsu into the VT1 activation
- while in VT1, you can use his DPs without charging! This will however drain 1/4th of the bar.
- the activation is just as fast as VT2

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑50

I think it'd also be cool if it buffed his hitgrab, maybe just an extra 20 damage or something

@Ghaust8546

2y↑5

The first one seems interesting but since i think capcom gave it bad range because of the command side of it, i would make it so it has way more range specifically when you cancel into it instead of draining the whole meter

@BroskiFGC

2y↑85

Great video. Also worth mentioning as shown at 12:16 a LOT of Oro's VT1 BNBs heavily rely on being able to do forward MP into HP DP with 100% consistency, which is an extremely high execution requirement just to get a basic ender into a knockdown with meh oki. Other than maybe Prophet on hitbox I don't know any Oro players that can hit that 100% of the time starting from a spaced EX tatsu.

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑29

That's a very good point, like that took me a good few tries and it never clicked with me that you really HAVE to do that to make the most of VT1

@pociksasiskin7285

2y↑2

I've seen Brian do f.mp into DP pretty regulary. Also not to brag, but I can do f.mp into dp from EX tatsu very consistently. I find it very wild that people have trouble with that cancel, considering that I still can't do ex fireball loops in the corner.

@ghostar9472

2y↑2

@@pociksasiskin7285 okay bro

@meathir4921

2y↑1

@@pociksasiskin7285 Brian misses it too sometimes, and EX Tatsu is still the better cancel anyways. If you miss it with VT1 active you basically killed the best use of VT1.

@pociksasiskin7285

2y↑2

@@meathir4921 what? I meant after ex tatsu, f.mp into dp is optimal and very doable. Nobody will do f.mp into dp in neutral because you have to have down charge, commit f.mp and recognize that it hit, or just full commit into dp.

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@bambadep

2y↑39

I'm glad V1 is bad because I don't like having to make decisions based on match ups

@kevingriffith6011

2y↑49

I legitimately tried to find some edge case where VT1 had a purpose, and there's just nothing there. Like, it's better at opening people up than VT2, but you only need to hurry to open people up because you have VT2. It doesn't scoop anti-airs, you can't cancel your air normals into it... Like, all they'd have to do with this V-trigger to instantly triple the fun factor of it would be to change how the air grab works. Instead of him swinging his arm, make him tumble in a direction, turning whiffing this button into a third jump. Make the tumble 8 directional and you've got a stew going.

Imagine being able to jump toward your opponent, double jump back and then immediately down+forward tumble to get back to the ground in front of them before their anti-air is done. That's insanely strong, but I still don't think tengu stone strong.

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑30

There's also the fact that VT2 gives you several completely safe opportunities to open someone up, VT1 gives you one big chance that can cost you big time if they jump, and it even completely ends your pressure

@krullachief669

2y↑4

There is one thing better about VT1 though: He can wear his turtle as a hat.

@fntp1390

2y↑13

"Capcom was so adamant about not letting you have oki after this fucking move that they literally gave Oro a wavedash" LOL

@BossMan-ly1ir

2y↑46

I think one of the main issues about this V-Trigger for me is that it just isn't that interesting, I'm no Oro main, but the way V-Trigger 2 affects his combos, his neutral, and his pressure, as well as the bit of RNG that rewards you for being situationally aware is just so much more fun and interesting than a grab that only acts as a combo ender/mixup tool, and even V-Trigger 2 has cooler mixups with things like ambiguous chicken leg set ups.

@ManlyPlant

2y↑62

That last point you made is actually a super interesting one. Oro's trigger's might be the biggest gap in levels of power, the only others I could see being this are triggers before this update like Akuma's. The only other one I could maybe see an argument for is Urien but only maybe because tackles are still really dumb.

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑32

I think pre-patch Laura was also a contender for the biggest gap in power between her triggers, but unlike Oro VT1 Laura VT2 actually got very significant buffs in the final update

@ManlyPlant

2y↑2

Yea thats also a pretty notable one granted this patch as a whole did quite a bit to fix a lot of more mediocre triggers. (Nash VT2 can actually be consistent in the corner now wow)

@KamektheMagikoopa1

2y↑12

Urien’s VT2 has always been good, the only problem with it is it’s not Aegis.

@ThePika78

2y↑51

Big Yellow: "Explains in detail and shows good examples for his viewers as to why V-Trigger 1 sucks in nice video"

Me: ADMIRES AND FOCUSES ON TURTLE BOI

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑14

He is just a nice little guy

@ThePika78

2y↑7

Indeed, smol guy doing its best to put up with Oro's V-Triggers

@sablesalt

2y↑5

he has a turtle and is like "🐢" , I love the little lad 🥺

@DanKojak

2y↑9

10:46 - "It does require meter and charge but honestly it's not that bad."

So long as we overlook that the scaling reduced the VT grab at the end of the combo to doing only 16 damage.

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑6

Yeah the scalling is disgusting lmao but in fairness the combo has so much corner carry there's probably not much need to do that for the better oki

@Neogears1312

2y↑18

Even ignoring tengu stones being incredible as per usual, I think probably the biggest issue is the grab just ends what you’re doing right then and their for the only benefit of being a bit easier. It’s like Alex’s vt2 where ignoring that it gives him a low confirm now, Alex’s vt1 gave incredible utility and let you keep momentum going while Alex’s vt2 gave…some good damage…a grab… and a kinda cool animation that was a throwback to a terrible move in third strike, which funny enough is exactly what oro vt1 does too.

I think if it at least did a good amount of stun or gave oro access to something big he was missing like Alex getting a cMK low canceling into a special now it’d probably be good but especially considering how amazing tengu stone is no one would realistically pick it even if you weren’t that great with tengu stone because it’s not that hard to get some ok damage off it.

@budafuka

2y↑1

At least they buffed the shit out Alex VT2 so it's a reasonable choice for some matchups. Oro's is just completely worthless. Even Urien VT2 is league's beyond by comparison even though you would still never pick it. Maybe that's why they didn't bother.

@Neogears1312

2y↑2

@@budafuka the weird thing though is with urien there’s self awareness; Aegis IS the selling point. It’s uriens SPD, his rekkaken, his genei jin. If you’re playing THIS character over ANY OTHER, your only reason was because of aegis. It is the sole defining move of urien where scrubs often argue Urien basically shouldn’t function at anything because he’s allowed to have it, it’s that defining of an ability. By not giving vt2 a fair chance it at least comes off that capcom we’re aware of this and if yun was in V he’d get similar treatment if genei jin was made before vt2s existed. It’s probably be You Hou but kinda mediocre because they only made a vt2 out of obligation.

But Tengu stone wasn’t why you played oro. At least in 3 it wasn’t. He had another usually more popular super. Arguably even then the unblockable wasn’t the reason you played him. It was chicken combos that motivate you to play him and that’s not only still big, it also works really well with vt1. The multi slam was arguably just as popular as any other super in 3 regardless of it sucking. It seems so weird to just dunk on it so universally for no real justifiable reason.

@KeshavKrishnan

2y↑1

Alex vt2 gives you oki off of any opening, one of the things alex lacked. Thr low confirm helps you stop people walking back between buttons, helping enforce strike throw

@budafuka

2y↑1

@@KeshavKrishnan It does that now. When it launched, he couldn't even combo DDT from c.mk. The only thing it offered over VT1 was a meterless knockdown from a light confirm. It got buffed in a mid season patch to actually function properly. Even now, with all the direct and indirect buffs to VT1, it's harder to consider picking it in this season outside of a couple of matchups.

@kelmkisaragi

2y↑16

I just noticed that Oro's giving me some serious Incineroar vibes, but instead of taunting after attacking, he's just vibing with his turtle, speaking of the turtle, look at that little fella! He's a chill little guy that doesn't mind helping grandpa with his training, i think he even yawns! I've always loved those kinda little details

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑12

Oro is super well animated imo they did a great job

@aadaaadasda9979

2y↑15

It reminds me of G's first iteration of VT2 where there was no point in using it whatsoever, and for it to become good, it took them to buff it for like 3 patches in the row (aside from nerfing grab damage) while simultaneously heavily nerfing vt1. In Oro's case, they had one patch left but didn't buff vt1 pretty much at all and didn't nerf vt2, so of course nobody gonna use the former. It's almost like they decided not even bother/waste time on it at all, since people would always pick vt2 just like they always pick aegis on Urien.

@TechnoCookieNG

2y↑13

This is cool and all but when are we getting a Fighting Game Gold on Oro’s turtle?

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑16

I'm simply not worthy to make such a thing

@nixuniverse5240

2y↑56

His VT1 is mostly like Menat’s VT2. There for players who aren’t confident enough to use their more technical VT’s so they go with the easier ones for easy consistent damage.

@kevingriffith6011

2y↑45

Except you don't even need that. You can still get solid Vt2 damage by going F.MP (x5) into your choice of combo ender. VT2 is as complicated as you want to make it.

@Sorrelhas

2y↑34

VT2 for Oro is literally perfect
You can go for sick confirms and crazy pickups, or just mash like an idiot
It's a great VT in all skill levels

@JardsonJean

@@kevingriffith6011 that is, if they manage to get in after activation. If a low level player just keeps mashing after activation, this vtrigger is pretty quick to drain and thats 3 bars down the drain. Honestly, VT1 is comparably bad to VT2, but it's not the worst at all in this game.

@brian_cream

2y↑32

You could add 2 more command grabs charges and normal throw oki on the standing grab and i stil think it would be a bad v trigger.

@mythosinfinite6736

2y↑13

This shader looks really good with these models. It was hard for me to pay attention because I was too focused on how flattering it was towards the character models.

@Titaniumtigerzz

2y↑7

Kinda awesome to see how much this channel has grown. Been watching hella early on and the content always been amazing

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑5

Thanks! I'm honestly very happy with where I'm at now

@DiseasedCows

2y↑26

I love the grab v trigger but man it's just not ever worth it beyond some friendlies. Oro lives by the stones

@DiseasedCows

2y↑1

And like that jump v skill is only for that v trigger. It just gives combo extension off the ex kick

@pociksasiskin7285

2y↑14

You can triple VT1 damage and increase range several times, and still people will take Tengu, just because its Tengu. I think they just didn't bother making VT1 good because they knew that Tengu is the king.

@MCTAP

2y↑5

holy shit that cel-shading looks amazing. I haven't really paid any attention to it until now

@hannahbriarly4192

2y↑12

All I got out of that was oro has a better wavedash than bowser

@PomadaGaming

2y↑4

I love Oro,and out of all your videos i resonate with this one the most since it’s pretty much the only character of all the fighting game garbage/gold i actually play,so seeing 14 MINUTES of this is truly exciting😁

@PlusheonPup

2y↑8

wake up, babe, new Yellow vid 🤍

@TerryDax

2y↑4

This is one of those series that always brings a smile to my face when I see it posted.

@Crypticrumpet

2y↑8

On top of oki my biggest beef with the command grab is no autonomy over which way you throw the enemy. It would be really nice if you could decide to throw them close (for oki) or far (for setups) and which side you throw them on. On top of that if you could cancel the throw into VS1 then you could get some nasty shmix going with the command grab. And v shifts still exist so I don’t even feel like that would be too overpowered.

@Guitar-Dog

2y↑2

I've been asking bapheal for Oro vids, glad you listened 😂😘

@flare6255

2y↑3

I played against so many Oros when he first came out whose only gameplan was VT1 EXDPs.

@user-bkey

2y↑5

its really weird how many times “heres multiple things but only 1 of them is good” has happened in sf, and then they bring back horrible things and keep them bad like what is the joke we’re missing out on

@emeraldmann1329

2y↑10

Man they really didn't want VT1 to get oki, huh.

@HawtDawg420

A thorough and accurate description of the problems of Oro's VT1, while being entertaining! Thanks!

@MeatOfJustice

2y↑6

you're using the cel shading filter, nice

@OccuredJakub12

2y↑3

Oro looks especially good with it, just admire that idle

@MilesRubi

2y↑3

2:37
"twitter-clip" is now an official measurement unit adopted by all the countries under the UN

@tristancampbell4941

2y↑32

I know this is random, but I hope y'all are having a good day; not because I asked, but because you deserve it👍🏾

@meathir4921

2y↑6

It’s funny how even the booger is good in SF5; same as in SF3 (though it’s a zoning tool instead of unblockable setups).

@aymen_b1267

2y↑9

They could have made V-Trigger 1 do crazy amount of stun and give good oki and V-Trigger 2 for crazy damage, I think it would have made V-Trigger 1 at least usable.

@GigaSiphon03

2y↑1

the super 1 reference at the end had me rollin'

@speedypichu6833

2y↑4

I find it funny with the twitter clips level of damage, because I always find it hilarious to watch, if 100% impractical

@PakuTheMagnificent

2y↑4

Capcom probably thought the grab install might get use since it finally A: lets you have your punch buttons this time around and B: didn't have to get rid of orb for it but they also let oro have both orb AND stones so they kinda fucked up there.

@mr.g-force5563

2y↑3

Ok but consider this; the air grab animation is funni tho. A 140 year old yellow goblin man tackles you to the ground, stomps on you like you were a bucket of grapes, and then kneels on you to pray to Jesus. All while balancing a turtle on his head.

On a more serious note, I feel like the devs may have designed themselves into a corner when they made Tengu Stone a Trigger. I mean, it was practically tailor-made to be one of his two triggers so they didn't really have a choice, but Tengu Stone is just so strong by nature that anything that is competing with it would have to work overtime to even have a chance of pulling even with it.

Like, even if you gave the grabs more range, increased the damage of them and lightened the damage scaling, and hell, even gave them Cody VT2 command grab levels of oki, I STILL think Tengu Stone would be preferred nine times out of ten. It's just too good, and whatever was competing against it was doomed to fail from the start. Not the end of the world since nobody is forced to use bad V-Triggers or Skills, but it does kind of suck to see certain things go completely unused, even if the lack of use is justified.

I don't know if I'd call this the game's worst trigger in a vacuum, but it's certainly the most outclassed when compared to its "sequel" trigger.

@BlazingShadowSword

2y↑1

I just love how Oro interacts with his little tortoise friend.

@samwill7259

2y↑3

Oh hey look, he's got a dog.

good dog.

@SYFuraigon

2y↑6

The biggest nerf to Oro's vt1 is still the speed compared to sf3. That super goes so fast in the original sf3 series, but it's super slow in sfv for some reason.

@Neogears1312

2y↑4

Yeah. Admittedly I like sa1 a lot because it honestly felt like oro was trying to fuckin splatter you against the pavement.

@lvl5Vaporeon

2y↑3

He aint called Old Man McScrotum face for nothing

@HELLRAISER02

2y↑23

1. It was a command grab trigger, i dont think capcom likes command grabs much (tho they buffed many grabs)
2. Its still jarring seeing chars get their backs broken by eachother and immediately back rise as if nothing happened

@FortuneKOF

id avoid playing Mortal Kombat if that surprises you haha

@HELLRAISER02

@@FortuneKOF how does that make sense? You get better oki off every throw in mortal kombat

@anthropomorphologist7136

2y↑2

@@HELLRAISER02 I think he was joking about how in mortal kombat they do incredibly violent stuff and just get up again

@HELLRAISER02

@@anthropomorphologist7136 i know but i made the comment cuz i dont like quick rise

@anthropomorphologist7136

@@HELLRAISER02 oh, I see. I had misinterpreted your comment as well.

@andreadicastro8525

2y↑3

I would love it if you could do the next fighting game garbage about a character in guilty gear xrd, especially bedman, since he became probably the worst character in the game in rev 2, when he was much better in revelator, they basically gutted him, and i would love it if you could talk about him, i love the way you explain all of this stuff, and i mained that character despite him being so bad, this just to show how well balanced xrd is, so im sure itll be incredibly interesting to see what you have to say about bedman!! Loved this video btw, you are great!

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑4

Maybe in the future it'd be fun to do a Rev 2 vid, I've actually done one before but it was ages ago and so awful I just got rid of it, so it'd be nice to do an actually good one

@andreadicastro8525

2y↑3

@@BigYellowSilly happy to hear that, perhaps if the video ends up going really well, you could do even more vids about it, after all theres a lot of garbage in that game, i think using bedman as an example you could easily use his second super, hemi jack, that thing its hot garbage lmao, so it would give a new whole game to use for vids, i hope they end up doing well!

@Manglet762

"Low tier" doesn't mean Bad, especially in Guilty Gear.

@theofficialchannelofoffici7962

2y↑2

That turtle must be fucking terrified

@TheGrayAdder

2y↑2

Good stuff as always! I’m curious, what character do you think would have a bigger viability gap between their V triggers than Oro? I can’t think of any, but it’s VERY possible that I’m just forgetting the bad ones.

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑1

Before the definitive update I think Laura was a contender, but her previously awful VT2 got a ton of great buffs this patch

@BIaziken2

2y↑9

Oro has a V-Trigger 1?

@n1hondude

2y↑1

@nelomalkevain4129

2y↑7

Honestly the problem isn't even how bad VT1 is (wich is still terrible btw) but how good his VT2 that being It's a getto Menat VT1 with a built in slot machine that can win you the lottery. On top of that unlike Menat VT1 it doesn't have the same execution requirement so it's not even a question of pick VT1 cuz VT2 is more difficult to use.

@rodrigosantana9199

2y↑2

11:51 Same energy as Peter LOL haha

@namename9194

2y↑7

Oro VT1 is pretty much just Alex VT2

Except Alex doesn't have Tengu Stone so he has a reason to choose it, plus I really like command grabs so I just kinda choose VT2 based on funny man yell DDT

@namename9194

@Bizarre Sleeper Oki is real nice, yeah, I almost exclusively use VT2 for Alex

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑6

Also at least Alex VT2 has 3 uses and now has anti fireball shenanigans, this kinda reminds me of launch Alex VT2

@namename9194

2y↑3

@@BigYellowSilly I'm really surprised they didn't buff it to have another use or two, I guess they were just hesitant because of the raw version's startup or something, I dunno. It's in such a weird spot, it's like they're afraid to buff it

@Neogears1312

2y↑1

@Bizarre it also gives Alex a cancel out of cMK. which a lack of low options has always been Alex’s biggest weakness in every game but TvC.

@lowcursedmg

Good video, Big Yellow 👍🏽

@javiermoreno5898

2y↑2

I know this would also make VT2 insane, but if EX chicken legs where an Overhead that would make that VT1 knockdown from the air grab much more dangerous

@benjihuynh2970

1y↑1

Capcom: as a reference to Oro's SA1 being shit in 3S, we've decided to carry on that tradition and make his VT 1 shit once again.

@jchadwick4918

2y↑2

ok, but he puts the tortoise on his head man

@gameoverdude2249

2y↑3

I haven't played this game in a while... what skins are you using to make them have that awesome classic style 😳??? Plsssssss don't tell me that it's a pc mod 😭😭😭

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑3

Nope! This is in vanilla SFV as a filter but can only be used offline

@gameoverdude2249

2y↑1

@@BigYellowSilly 😭😭😭

@ceec2999

Great video as always

@isuckatgaming1873

2y↑3

Bre I can't believe they pushed him away from the corner

@myboy_

2y↑3

Cel shader looks really good on oro

@herpydepth3849

2y↑3

Ah… the disappointing younger sibling

@SadToffee

How do you have all the heavy lines? It looks so good.

@realchezboi

Cel-Shading? Go into settings

@ramirando

2y↑1

Are you using any kind of mod to give the characters a pseudo-cellshading effect?

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑1

Nope, that's an in-game filter that was added in the definitive update

@ramirando

@@BigYellowSilly oh, that's nice! I've bought the game on launch, but I stopped playing it around the start of season 3, so as I'm returning now, a bunch of things are new to me.

@SDhotline

2y↑3

At least it doesn't remove all his punches

@SamtheToaster

2y↑4

I'm actually not very familiar with most V-Triggers. Probably because the game doesn't explain their effects most of the time, and I can't find a solid resource about what they do. The Shoryuken wiki for SFV is abandoned, so is there a better and more updated resource? Please let me know.

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑4

Man I wish I had a good answer for that tbh, FAT is ideal for frame data and such but when it comes to detailing the use of moves I'm honestly not sure where to look off the top of my head.

@prof.laytonfan764

Bafael explains the vtriggers in his videos, although most of them are outdated because of sfv patches over the years.

@SamtheToaster

@@BigYellowSilly That really sucks. I've been trying to get into Urien, but I cannot for the life of me figure out what VS1 does to his moves. When I can't make a personal choice between the two V-Skills, I freeze up.

@BigYellowSilly

@@SamtheToaster Well it is mostly for frame data, but FAT does tell you about the properties of moves too, VS1 gives him one hit of armor on all his specials except for fireball

@Neogears1312

@@SamtheToaster I’d say your lucky urien’s vs2 is generally better and easier to figure out and just buffs his projectile to be a neutral menace.

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@andrewroes7942

2y↑3

Yeah I still have no idea what they were going for with it. It feels to me like they were trying to go for ease of use on a vtrigger considering how complex vt2 combos are but like... you can just spam f.mp after activation and you'll still get way more damage than vt1 could ever get you, it's probably one of the most beginner friendly vtriggers lmao

@afrolegend12

This is my favorite Series.

@itanocircus2106

What kind of graphical filter is being used here? It looks great

@BigYellowSilly

Cel shading filter added in SFVs last update, offline only but it looks great imo

@Kanzuki

2y↑1

Just know there's one seriously dedicated VT1 Oro player out there

@DarkTree

2y↑1

yeah but it's cool. the heavy mob cemetery-esque super grab that is entirely impractical but funny being missing is its only downside

@kenway2333

2y↑1

What's the music in the background?

@totaldestruction152

It's Oro's theme from Street Fighter 3: Second Impact

@dextra_24703

2y↑1

I always thought those grabs were one of his V-Skills

@Neogears1312

2y↑1

Sick thumbnail btw.

@mediumchungus9662

2y↑1

As a certified Geef main, I will choose VT1 anytime I pick Oro cuz command grab 💪😎

@poopman7239

2y↑8

It’s funny to think that in 3rd strike, his two good supers are boogers and tengu stones. And in SF5, his good v skill is boogers and (oddly named VT2 even though Oro only has one VT🙄) tengu stones

@beechteeth

babe wake up, new Big Yellow

@Puffufuf

2y↑1

2:58 Wow, he almost got the average damage of a Strive combo

@ksfallenangel5770

2y↑2

I pick V-Trigger I because it looks cool.

@haidynwendlandt2479

37w

Oro is so awesome, fun in 3S and fun in V

@treese_

2y↑1

I honestly wish they'd just make Tengu VT 1 and make this VT 2 so I can automatically get the right V Trigger when mashing to select Oro in training mode.

@beircheartaghaistin2332

That poor tortoise must be awfully dizzy

@murpl1462

2y↑2

Do you ever fuck up a combo and have to reshoot or voice overlay that section?

@BigYellowSilly

2y↑1

Oh several times, that one where I do F.MP into DP took me several tries

@LinneRinne

2y↑1

Just asking, why does your SFV looks like it does in the video?

@idk72.

2y↑1

it's a filter setting that came with the final update, you can choose them from the game settings but it's only for offline, online will still look the same