There is more than one band called 'Venus':

1) Venus - Band from Bel… Read Full Bio ↴There is more than one band called 'Venus':

1) Venus - Band from Belgium
2) Venus - Female dance artist.
3) Venus - Hungarian pop-rock band.
4) Venus - First all-female rock band from Chile.
5) Venus - Japanese visual kei band (correct tag: Ｖｅｎｕｓ).
6) Venus - Brazilian Power Metal/Hard Rock featuring Edu Falaschi of Angra.
7) Venus - Thai pop-rock band.
8) Venus - Girlband from Spain.
9) Venus - A collaboration between Sota Fujimori and DJ YOSHITAKA.
10) Venus - Korean trot girl-group
11) Venus - Twitch streamer from the channel venusworld.
12) Venus - Progressive Thrash metal band from Athens, Greece.
13) Venus - British rock band, mid-90s, Shoegaze/Britpop, ex-Sweet Jesus.

1) The more widely-known Venus was formed in 1997 in Brussels, Belgium. Five artists came together to create the band, already experienced in classical, pop and drama. They worked to create stunning live shows.

Their first full-length album titled 'Welcome To The Modern Dancehall' was released in 1999.

The first half of 2001 has been set as the first holidays for the band in four years.

In 2006 they released the album The Red Room, followed by the single Love & Loss.
They toured this album throughout France, Belgium and the rest of Europe.

On the 23rd March 2007, a 10th anniversary concert was scheduled at the Ancienne Belgique in Brussels. However, at the end of February, Marc A. Huyghens (vocals for the group) announced on Venus' official website that "After ten “out-of-this-world” years – full of way-out adventures, mesmerising concerts, a few chaotic patches, quite a few drunken giggles – I have decided to move on to new intergalactic adventures". The 10th anniversary gig turned into a goodbye concert, including many guests such as members from Girls in Hawaii and Ghinzu, as well as Venus' former double bass player, Walter Janssens and others. A last EP containing covers of Daniel Lanois, Björk and fellow Belgian singer Jacques Brel was released for the occasion.

2) Venus is also a female dance artist licensed by the SAIFAM group.

3) There was a Hungarian pop-rock band called Venus, often written as 'Vénusz'. They finally formed in 1997 and split up in 2002. Their last concert was held at 28th September 2002 in Zalaegerszeg. They had some #1 hits in Hungary, such as 'Kockahas' and 'Régi nyár'. They received a number of awards, and even performed a new hit 'Szép emlék' in the successful Hungarian movie called 'Valami Amerika'. Their lead singer Zsuzsa Varga went solo in 2002. Their official webpage can be found at: http://www.venusnet.hu/

4) Venus was the first all-female rock band from Chile. They started formally on 1992, with founding members Rosemarie Vargas (guitar/vocals), Sara Ugarte, (guitar/vocals), Andrea Alarcón (vocals), Carmen Paz (bass) and Claudia Pardo (drums). At first, they had a punk rock sound, but in the late 90's their sound turned out more rock pop, when they signed with a major label (BMG). Their first album was "El Ataque de Zorrita", in 1996, with Sara on vocals and guitar, Rosemarie on guitar and vocals, Claudia Parra on bass and Claudia Celis on drums.
In 1997 they were without a drummer (there's few female drummers in Chile), but anyways, they record "Dolor de fin de Siglo" as an independent band-again. This second album, from 1998, has a darker sound, influenced by Marilyn Manson and NIN, as Sara said.
They split on 2001, but Rosemarie reformed the band, now with her own daughter Venus Cortés on vocals and keyboards, Celia Zurita on bass, María de los Ángeles Ibarra on drums, and Rosemarie herself on guitar and vocals. Their third albums is "atrapada" from 2009.

5) A new Japanese band also with the name Venus formed in November 12, 2007. They are under Tomozo's record label Sequence-Records. More info about them can be found at: http://www.venus1112.com/
correct tag: Ｖｅｎｕｓ

6) Released one album in 1988. More info: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=7685

7) The band has one and only album in 2002. It was a self-titled album in Thai named "วีนัส".

8) Venus is a Spanish pop band formed by Diana Tobar, Mimi Segura and Marta Mansilla. Their first single, "Perfecta" was one of the ten songs finalists to represent Spain in the Eurovision Song Contest 2010.

Venus was formed in 2010 as a project to represent Spain in the Eurovision Song Contest, which in 2010 was held in Oslo, Norway. After being announced the list of candidates, the girls occupied the top of the most votes in the RTVE website to select the finalists for the gala screening. Days later he confirmed his presence at the gala, remaining at No. 4 with the song "Perfecta", composed by 2Crusaders - G. Son - Andreas Rickstrand.

In January 2011 (the 25th) released their first album "Like a Superstar" which features songs in both Spanish and English.

The group members are known for being the only girl band from Spain and the great beauty:
- Diana Tobar, 21, is originally from Burgos, rose to fame in the popular contest 'Pop Idol' being thrown in the sixth week in front of Elijah Vargas.- Mimi Segura, 29, born in Melilla. She is also known to go on 'Idol' in 2008 was sixth finalist.- Marta Mansilla, 29, was in Popstars in fourth place, later, along with four other girls who won with her, she formed a band 'Belly' but later disowned the group, before she became famous and released several singles on the market without success or promotion.
Style and influences consist of several styles, but the main sound is pop, followed by rock and some techno. They added that their influences are Sugababes, The Saturdays, Girls Aloud, Destiny's Child.

10) Venus (비너스) is a three-member project girl group under MBK Entertainment and PocketDol Studio. They were formed through the competitive survival reality show Miss Trot in June 2019 and officially debuted on August 6, 2019 with their digital single "Turn Signal".

11) Venus is a Twitch streamer from the UK. Her channel is called venusworld.

12) Venus is a dynamic band from Athens, Greece, born in 2021 through the creative partnership of Giorgos Verginis (guitars/harsh vocals) and Antonis Avtzis (guitars/clean vocals). After the release of their debut EP "Project Lamda" via Pure Steel Records in July 2022, VENUS devoted almost a year to their awaited full-length album for which they have signed a deal with XTREEM MUSIC for its release. Check them out on bandcamp: https://venusscifi.bandcamp.com

13) Venus Sweet Jesus originally flourished as a British indie rock band in the early 90s, to great critical acclaim for a style that incorporated shoegaze and more than a bit of glam. They had the misfortune to sign to Rough Trade, so although they released several outstanding singles - many of which frequently still appear on compilations of shoegaze and dream pop - the band itself folded when Rough Trade collapsed, before they could complete a proper full-length album. However, from Sweet Jesus' ashes sprung Venus, which signed to PVC Records. Venus essentially was a slightly rebranded Sweet Jesus, featuring three of its members: Ben Bentley (the vocalist), Roy Priest, Gavin Priest, with Vicky Gwinnut replacing Paul Collins on drums. In this incarnation, Venus released a single, "No. 1 Fan," and an album, Miss Paris, both in 1994. Their Discogs listings can be found here: https://www.discogs.com/artist/1807317-Venus-29

Here and Now
Venus Lyrics

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Ain't got no aim
Ain't got no shame
Ain't got no need
To be hard to please
Ain't got no brain
It's like I feel free
Ain't got no mother
Ain't got no child

Ain't got no lover
Staying by my side

Here and now
Here and now

I got my arms
I got my hands
I got my feet
And still my two legs
I got my heart
I got my soul
I got my life
It still hasn't gone
I got my blood
And this is all I got

Here and now
Here and now

Here and now
Here and now

Overall Meaning

The lyrics of Venus's song "Here and Now" are about someone who has let go of their past and is living in the present moment. The first few lines suggest that the person has shed their ego and no longer has any need for material possessions or societal norms. They have no aim, shame, or need to be hard to please. The line "Ain't got no brain" could be interpreted as a symbolic shedding of the analytical mind that can often create stress and anxiety. The person feels free because they no longer have the burden of chasing after things that don't matter.

The following lines suggest that the person is disconnected from traditional societal roles. They don't have a mother, child, or lover by their side. However, they still have their own autonomy and control over their life. They are grateful for the body they were given, including their arms, hands, feet, legs, heart, and soul. The repetition of "Here and now" reinforces the idea that the person is focused on the present moment and not dwelling on past regrets or future worries.

Overall, "Here and Now" is a message of self-acceptance and mindfulness. It encourages listeners to let go of societal expectations and embrace the present moment with gratitude for what they have.

Line by Line Meaning

Ain't got no aim
I don't have any specific goals or objectives in life.

Ain't got no shame
I'm not embarrassed or ashamed of who I am or my actions.

Ain't got no need
I don't require much in life to be happy.

To be hard to please
I'm easy-going and don't need much to satisfy me.

Ain't got no brain
I don't need to overthink things and complicate my life.

It's like I feel free
I feel unbounded and liberated in my life choices.

Ain't got no mother
I don't have a mother figure in my life.

Ain't got no child
I don't have any children of my own.

Ain't got no lover
I don't have a partner or significant other in my life.

Staying by my side
I'm content being alone and don't feel the need for companionship.

Here and now
I'm focused on living in the present moment.

I got my arms
I have physical capabilities and strength.

I got my hands
I have dexterity and ability to create things.

I got my feet
I have mobility and can travel and explore.

And still my two legs
I have stability and balance.

I got my heart
I have emotions and the capacity to love.

I got my soul
I have a unique inner spirit or essence.

I got my life
I have the gift of existence and the opportunity to experience it.

It still hasn't gone
My life is ongoing, and there is still much more to experience.

I got my blood
I have a life force flowing through me that keeps me alive.

And this is all I got
I'm grateful for what I have and don't need more to be happy.

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@aresmars2003

After a discussion, I asked ChatGPT to write me up a project proposal and time! Make it so!
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Proposal for a First Balloon Mission to Venus

Introduction
Venus is a unique planet in our solar system, with a thick and dynamic atmosphere that has fascinated scientists for decades. Despite several successful missions to the planet, much about its atmosphere remains unknown. To explore the atmosphere of Venus and better understand the planet's weather and climate, we propose a balloon mission to the upper atmosphere of Venus. This mission will involve launching a series of autonomous balloons into the atmosphere of Venus, equipped with sensors and instruments to gather data on the planet's atmosphere.

Mission Objectives
The primary objectives of the mission are as follows:
* To study the atmospheric conditions, including temperature, pressure, wind patterns, and chemistry, at different altitudes and latitudes of Venus.
* To measure the cloud composition and structure in the upper atmosphere of Venus, including the cloud particles' size, shape, and chemical composition.
* To study the atmospheric dynamics, including the formation and behavior of atmospheric features such as vortices, waves, and eddies.
* To assess the feasibility of long-term human habitation in the upper atmosphere of Venus.

Mission Design
The proposed mission will involve launching a fleet of autonomous balloons into the atmosphere of Venus from an orbiter or lander. The balloons will be designed to withstand the harsh conditions of the Venusian atmosphere, including high temperatures, pressure, and corrosive sulfuric acid. The balloons will be equipped with a range of instruments, including temperature and pressure sensors, cameras, and spectrometers, to measure the atmospheric conditions and cloud properties.

The balloons will be designed to operate independently, each capable of adjusting its altitude and position to follow the wind patterns and gather data on different regions of the atmosphere. The balloons will be powered by solar panels and will be designed to have a long lifespan, allowing them to remain in the atmosphere for months or even years.

Communication and Navigation
To communicate with the balloons, we propose establishing a network of satellites in orbit around Venus. These satellites will provide navigation and communication support for the mission, allowing us to track the position and status of the balloons in real-time. The balloons themselves will be equipped with navigation and communication systems, such as Doppler radar or radio beacons, to provide real-time location information back to mission control on Earth.

Conclusion
In conclusion, we believe that a balloon mission to Venus will provide valuable insights into the planet's atmosphere and help us better understand the planet's weather and climate. The proposed mission will be challenging, but we believe that with careful planning and design, it is achievable. The data gathered by this mission will be invaluable to future missions to Venus and to our overall understanding of the solar system.

Rough timeline for the mission:

Design Phase:
Year 1 (2023): Research and conceptualization of balloon mission, including balloon design, instrumentation, and communication systems.

Development Phase:
Year 2-3 (2024-2025): Detailed design of the balloon, testing of materials for corrosion resistance, development of propulsion and navigation systems, testing of instrumentation, and development of communication systems.

Year 4 (2026): Manufacturing and assembly of the balloon and its components.

Launch Phase:
Year 5 (2027): Launch of the balloon from Earth, with an expected transit time of 4-6 months to reach Venus.
Main Mission Phase:

Year 6-7 (2028-2029): Once the balloon reaches Venus, the main mission phase begins, which will include navigating the balloon to various altitudes and latitudes to study the atmosphere and climate. The main mission will last for 1-2 years, depending on the performance of the balloon and the success of the mission objectives.

Wrap-up Phase:
Year 8-9 (2030-2031): At the end of the main mission phase, the balloon will be maneuvered to a safe landing site on Venus or allowed to descend into the planet's atmosphere. Data and findings from the mission will be analyzed and reported.

Year 10 (2032): Final report of mission results published and mission officially concluded.

@yvindwestersund9720

13w↑1

@@frasercain
With two and a half NASA missions on the way I'm just wondering
Why WHY WHYYYYY
DIDN'T NASA get together whit ESA JAXA And others and build a flagship mission the cost of a flagship mission is higher but the science reword is also so much higher
And as a collaboration between others than NASA would be out of pocket just a tad more than now
And I'm willing to bet that if NASA had a flagship mission on the table agencies from around the world would jump at the possibility of being a part of it
An ISS style collaboration to Venus
What would be better other than two flagship missions that is 😂

Just saying 🇳🇴

All comments from YouTube:

@FSAPOJake

48w↑32

I've been obsessed with Venus since I was a little kid. A planet almost the same size as Earth with almost the same composition ending up so different fascinated me, and still does.

@jessepollard7132

16w↑5

as an object of study, no problem. As something to land probes on - no. they all melt from the heat, and eroded by the acid. The longest a probe has lasted is about 90 minutes - and then the carried along refrigerant ran out.

@stevensavage7442

51w↑12

A sizable moon might be very important to creating plate tectonics.

@bodaciousbiker

1y↑87

I've been obsessed with it for years. I can't tell you how many times I've looked at those Venera images of the planet's surface, straining to make out any detail in that sky, wishing that those landers had lasted just a few hours, or even minutes longer and that its cameras had captured just a few more images. I really don't think the Soviets ever received the kudos from the West they were due for such a remarkable achievement so long ago. I can also imagine the weather forecast for Earth's 'evil' twin, and it might go something like this..." it looks like it's gonna be another long, hot scorcher of a day here on the 'love planet' folks(at 243 Earth days, Venus's exceedingly slow retrograde rotation means its day is longer than its year and the sun rises in the west and sets in the east). For all those sun worshipers out there, you're 'gonna be disappointed because those butterscotch overcast skies will persist all day long, and that mercury's 'gonna push well into the low 900s (Fahrenheit that is, more than enough to melt lead), but at least it's gonna be a real dry heat folks! Higher altitudes can expect ongoing showers(yep, sulfuric acid), but not to worry 'cuz there's little to no chance they'll reach us down here on the surface. By midday, we can expect the surface pressure to reach an uncomfortable 1330 PSI(roughly 92 times that of Earth's surface or the equivalent of 3000 ft. below sea level, well beyond the crush depth of a nuclear sub). It looks like those upper atmosphere winds will approach 200mph again today, but not to worry folks, 'cuz they'll remain a barely perceptible 2-3 mph down here on the surface...not even enough to fly a kite." It makes me grateful we live on such a relatively benign, 'garden' planet like Earth.

@cougar2013

52w↑4

Very funny comment

@bodaciousbiker

52w↑1

@@cougar2013 Thank you!

@IdeologieUK

52w↑2

Best comment on YouTube! 👍

@bodaciousbiker

52w

@@IdeologieUK Haha...Thank's!

@standardranchstash221

52w↑3

Love it!

I recall once, while on holiday in the US, a weatherman saying something along the lines of, “and if you’re out shopping at the mall in the car, don’t forget to crack a window for granny”. It’ll be a long time before we terraform Venus but.....

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@rossmcleod7983

1y↑17

Love this bloke. Anyone so on top of their game inspires me no end.

@farrenn9514

1y↑48

Fantastic audio! I have never seen a creator interact with their audience and action their suggestions the way you do, Fraser. Hats off to you!

@khorga485

1y↑2

Hmm but you totally missed the interaction with the mic and the beard... aren't ya? Just 1/3 of an inch would have done the trick ... :P

@farrenn9514

1y↑7

@@khorga485 I don't think it's necessary to nitpick inconsequential details. I was too busy absorbing the quality of the content to focus on a beard...

@khorga485

@@farrenn9514 Sure anything is subjective in this world in the end... have a good one anyway

@ugiswrong

1y↑1

Sexist to not respect the beard adequately

@1112viggo

12w↑1

@@farrenn9514 When you highlight the "fantastic audio" i would not call it "nitpicking" to point out there is a slight scratching sound through the entire thing. You are right, its hard to notice and the quality of the content easily distracts you from it. But then praise the content, not the audio.

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@gwenever7286

1y↑39

as a venus obsessive I loved this interview, thank you

@leviathan-supersystem

As a Mars obsessive, me too. (:

@MrAluntus

19w↑7

Fraiser, your interviews are so frigging interesting and educational. Thank you.

@DONALDSON51

52w↑10

The Havoc mission concept is fascinating to me The idea of humans exploring the upper atmosphere by balloon

@DinoCism

11w

It's a better concept than terraforming, something that would require a solar system worth of resources and probably wouldn't work. Instead of going there and trying to make it here we should use what is different about these places to find new ways of existing. If we don't need to live on the surface and can exist fine in the clouds why should that bother us?

@nick_vigerfil

11w

My favorite case scenario is humanity be able to safely change orbits of planets and moon's and give to Venus a orbit around Planet Jupiter or between Jupiter and the asteroid belt...😯👍😎🙂

@Kurukx

1y↑14

Paul was awesome :) Another interesting interview.

@unclvinny

1y↑15

I'm listening to this now, and it's terrific. One favor, Fraser: could you find someone obsessed with Mercury and interview them for an hour, too? There's a lot of interesting facts and puzzles about Mercury too -- though probably not as many as for Venus!

@hazed1009

11w↑1

Agrèe! Mercury is a fascinating world, (not least the orbit)

@richardloewen7177

8w↑1

Especially re Mercury's magnetic field, and it's decay rate.

@artbytravissmith

1y↑13

I went through the same thing following the Phosphene 'discovery/non-discovery'. Now I sit waiting impatiently for VERITAS, DAVINCI, etc.

@MountainFisher

Phosphene is in the clouds of Jupiter, did life create it there? I'm a retired aerospace engineer and studied biology for life support systems. I stopped believing the fairy tale that life assembled itself through natural processes after seeing how complicated even the simplest life is. Origin of Life research has no research into relevant early Earth conditions that is meaningful. Fossil record shows the sudden appearance of photosynthetic life 3.6 billion ya and as my biology professor wondered was that for billions of years there was no evolution, just the same archaebacterial prokaryotes making the oxygen we breath.

@aresmars2003

1y↑5

1:05:20 I love the idea of extended balloon missions, to see wind patterns and how it can passively navigate, and improve models for temperature and conditions by altitude. I like the idea of earth-like gravity, earth-like pressure, earth-like temperature, and some radiation protection. And some cameras to show if the vista of clouds is inspiring, or dull and oppressive? Could it be a place human base be interesting and inviting?
I like the idea of trying to keep an automated greenhouse and see if we can get microbe or plants to grow in the balloon, see how long we can keep it alive. We've never tried to keep anything alive above low earth orbit before. So it could be a micro "biosphere 2" system with closed system of recycling wastes, but augment by supply inputs that can't be maintained, and extend the duration.

@aresmars2003

@jackesioto

Provided you had a good supply of water (which would have to be imported as the planet has none in any state, or perhaps capture hydrogen to make water), there's no reason a cloud island on Venus couldn't be made to work. Though we clearly need to refine our human habitable terrariums, we don't want oxygen levels getting too low like the scientists who immured themselves in Biosphere Two experienced! And one of the most important steps in this regard would be to let cement (or a concrete like material) to cure thoroughly so it doesn't suck up all the oxygen!

@tau3457

49w↑2

Such a great interview and you absolutely should revisit this with Dr. Byrne in the future.

@AGldmn

1y↑6

Absolutely thrilling, highest grade content! Thanks for your work.

@jaked6746

47w↑1

What a phenomenal watch/listen. Never thought of Venus in this sort of perspective. Thanks for your time gentlemen

@MusikCassette

1y↑6

that interview would have been a good opportunity to ask about balloons. This guy seamed to know a lot about not just planed missions, but also what Ideas for missions there are. Since you r Obsessed with Venus now, there might be more opportunities like this.
As stated before I am especially interested in the Idea of using differences in temperature for as a power source.
short explanation of how it would work: the balloon would alternate between 2layers. On the lower layer it would boil the water use the steam for power and than as a lifting gas to get to the higher layer. on the higher layer it would use the lower temperatures to condensate the vapour back into water.

@vidyaishaya4839

Balloons will work great on Venus. The atmosphere is way heavier than Earth, so even gasses like oxygen and nitrogen have buoyancy

@MusikCassette

1y↑3

@@vidyaishaya4839 so does water vapour in lower layers

@macrenasailor1952

10w

Musik, You have an interesting idea but how would we keep the balloon from melting?

@MusikCassette

10w

@@macrenasailor1952 do you mean the hull, or the gondola?

mostly by using materials, that are up to the temperatures.
remind you, we don't go all the way down to the ground.

@chrisbuxton1958

52w↑1

I could listen to Dr Byrne all day. Great stuff, thanks.

@Alienalloy

51w↑1

wow... popped this on to have on in the background in the workshop... ended up suspending what i was doing and just sat, transfixed.. great informative interview.

@user-op3zf6if9i

18w↑2

my working hypothesis is that venus due to its proximity to the sun was bestowed with more heavy elements like uranium causing the presumably iron core to stay liquid and unable to freeze out/solidify to form the backbone of the dynamo, the hotter core would explain the abundant vulcanism and outgassing of volatiles into a thick thick atmosphere, in wich the GreenHouse effect is just the cherry on top, since the surfase pressure/temperature is quite uncomfortable i propose next venus missions to be flown as Balloons at various altitudes and also occaissionally to peek under the clouds to take pictures of the surface with todays technolies resolutions.

BTW, Really Like Your channel , your enthousiasm is enough to lift us out of the gravity well.

@MaryAnnNytowl

11w↑1

With a second watch, I've noticed and learned things I missed the first time around (admittedly, while doing other stuff then, LOL), but I still agree that, yeah, Venus is pretty important to study, at least as much as Mars, if not moreso. Thank you again for these fascinating interviews you do, Fraser – keep it up, please!

@arttuheikkila388

1y↑1

What an interesting interview! A big thank you to all three of you: Byrne, Cain and youtube algorithm! :)

@Corvaire

1y↑3

Thanks Dr. Byrne, Fraser. You had my brain churning during this entire interview. ;O)-

@jackesioto

1y↑5

As much as I prefer Mars to Venus as a planet to settle on, I do find Venusian cloud islands fairly appealing

@pamelamorgan9975

1y↑2

Great interview. I really enjoyed this. It gave me a whole new perspective on Venus. Thank you both!

@frasercain

1y↑1

Thanks a lot, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

@cavetroll666

1y↑2

Very cool video I love your channel I listen while at work 🙃

@I.amthatrealJuan

1y↑6

This was such an enjoyable interview to listen to. Very digestible while the hypotheses posed like the necessity of magnetic fields and plate tectonics were fascinating

@Skylancer727

11w↑1

I remember around 10 years ago was when I realized that Venus is probably a better place to go to than Mars. People always talk about terraforming Mars, but in reality it's unrealistic compared to Venus. Making an entire atmosphere to Earth like levels is basically impossible on Mars, the scale of gasses that would need to be either chemically made or exported to Mars is just so staggering it's completely nonviable.

Venus on the other has the opposite issue of having too much atmosphere, but that's a far easier problem to solve. There are many ways you can almost passively reduce the atmosphere pressure and being that it's nearly all CO2 making oxygen is easy. Mars is also mostly a CO2 atmosphere as well, but it's trace so using it takes far more effort and energy to do the same work.

Unlike Mars where the main struggle is atmosphere, on Venus the bigger issue is water. When Venus transformed to what it is today the hydrogen broke away from the water molecules and blew out to space. But water is nearly completely recyclable and is far easier to handle compared to gasses. Being able to walk anywhere but have limited water is far easier to deal with than needing a tank to breath and having some water.

@Colorado303Adventures

10w

Love the start. Strait to the point! Love it. 🎉

@rkramer5629

1y↑5

The guy has a hell of a lot of energy for Venus! 😂

Great episode. Absolutely can not wait to see more probes heading to Venus!

@kalasatwater2224

51w↑2

Needs more attention

@rossdavis2294

13w

Super interesting discussion and great guest! Thanks!

@jeffk8019

50w

This was a great interview. Thanks to both of you!

@albert_vds

1y↑3

Well thanks... now I'm on the "obsessed with Venus" camp.

@kersebleptes1317

48w

Excellent- very good choice for an interview.
Good to have interesting friends!

@denijane89

38w

I wish Paul showed us some slides while talking. I know it's a podcast, but still, it would have been very interesting watching a whole seminar on Venus. But yes, I also think Venus is hugely underestimated while it's super interesting. Also, it could be easier to colonize (on a floating habitat, not on the surface) since it's closer and has more transfer windows to Earth which is important if you want to send a lot of stuff there. Also, it has more Sun. Thank you, Fraser, for this interview.

@jrherita

13w

This was a great podcast and I appreciate the thoughts on Venus vs. Mars. This is exciting !

@michaelwilliams2593

1y↑2

Why not create a probe that cycles between near-ground level and upper atmosphere to mitigate temperature effects and explore more widely. Similar to a submarine diving and surfacing repeatedly. Could be fairly passive mechanism combined with inertia of initial dive into deep atmosphere

@standavid1828

1y↑1

Excellent interview thank you

@MeissnerEffect

1y↑2

So awesome! Thank you ✨ Piqued my imagination now!

@eoinoconnell185

50w↑1

As an Irish person, hearing an Irish accent out of the blue on your podcast is as surprising as the 'wow' signal.

@lealoo6287

Loved this!

@DrDeuteron

48w

Magellan was a SAR, an imaging radar that used photoclynometry (shape from shading) to make a topo-surface (DEM). VERITAS is an InSAR, which directly measures topography, so it will be fabulous.

Also: don't make you grad student look for volcanoes by hand. Use "Radon transformations" to find circular features (it's like an FFT finding frequency peaks that you cannot "see" with your eye).

@danlewellyn6734

16w

Obviously, it's a great job as always.

@KatharineOsborne

51w

This was a fantastic interview!

@frasercain

51w

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

@IdeationGeek

14w↑1

1) If we build sun-shade for Venus, how fast would the atmosphere condense and drop down?
2) If we were to depoy aerostats at 50km altitude where it is comfy, would we be able to build a floating city (with air as lifting gas)? Could such a city replicate itself? Could it mine surface for metals?

@jklappenbach

12w↑1

I'm obsessed with Venus, too. As far as habitat, it has similar gravity as earth (8.87 vs 9.8).

The terraforming challenges will be enormous. Starting with processing all the CO2, and increasing the rotation such that a single day is 24 hours instead of 5,832 hours.

And if we're going to convert mercury to computronium, or even just a Dyson swarm, Venus is better situated to make that happen.

@webchimp

" oh my god that's literally a whole other interview"
Yes please

@peterd9698

15w↑1

From a space settlement point of view, I think about 40km above the surface of Venus is the only other place in the solar system where there is roughly earth gravity, temperature and air pressure.. and earth atmosphere acts as a lifting gas there so you can imagine cloud cities there.
Additionally, due to upper atmosphere rotating faster than surface, I think the "Day" on a cloud city would be about a week long rather than the hundreds of days long on the surface. Im not sure but I think that height might be above the clouds so you would get reliable solar?

@DavidSaundersPosts

13w

Sure, but there’s no way to extract resources from the surface to make the settlement sustainable. The only exports would be gases from the atmosphere.

@davesatxify

1y↑1

Great to listen to. Thanks

@JenniferA886

Great video… thanks for this 👍👍👍

@kristinehansen.

1y↑17

Venus has been my favorite planet for many years. I am so excited that there is finally some missions there in the near future. I find it the most fascinating planet. There is so much we can learn from it. And in my opinion, Venus is the best planet to colonize. Maybe the only one.

@jondoc7525

1y↑2

Titan is better . Would be cool to colonize clouds woold give us a new trip to mars . Would have to bring every supply to Venus tho . Unless it’s in the atmosphere for extraction .

@kristinehansen.

1y↑3

@@jondoc7525 You get a lot from the atmosphere. You only need the hydrogen to make water. And you can make a lot of stuff out of carbon. But yeah most you have to bring. But Venus has almost the same gravity as earth, same air pressure and temperature. The in sky. Floating cloud city just sounds so cool. And it has protection from radiation with it's thick atmosphere. We can get a lot more solar energy at Venus and energy from the heat below.

@jondoc7525

@@kristinehansen. much harder to start tho , but it’s on the list after titan the gas station

@parajacks4

52w↑3

Sky city ftw

@rdog9297

35w

@@kristinehansen.Talking out your ass , Venus does NOT have the same temperature and gravity as Earth. Not even close Venus is 900 degrees F hot enough to melt metal 😂😂😂

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@seditt5146

1y↑3

@Fraser Cain ( Great interview BTW) I have a big question for me. Lately i have seen Satellite looking objects ( as in, last 10 years maybe) in which they not only are visible all night long which goes against what I know of Sats and more over they blink as though they are spinning. They also tend to go against the standards of movements for sats so wanted to know is this Space junk? Cube sats? Government projects we are not aware of( some have seemed intelligently controlled). What in the world is this as it was never there when I was younger yet can be seen all the time anymore.

@inamortz2372

1y↑3

Good man Paul!

@omni_0101

Looking forward to the venus missions. I think we also need an Omumua mission

@Czeckie

loving that venus content. I was always more interested in it than mars tbf

@rileychadwell5635

1y↑1

A method that created our moon also gave us plate tectonics. Venus needs the same sort of moon process.

This may even help create a strong internal Dynamo

@larscarter7406

51w

Earth got a lot of water and iron from comet collisions, maybe Venus didn't.

@rileychadwell5635

51w↑2

@@larscarter7406 I do hear an awful lot about how the period of meteor collision gave Earth its water. However, I don't really hear that specifically extending to include the major collision with Theia. Perhaps it's assumed?

Anyway, I propose that Earth's collision with Theia (a possibly water-rich world like Ceres, frozen water ice and all that), gave Earth an interior dynamo and resulting magnetosphere, plate tectonics, a moon responsible of dictating Earth's rotational characteristics, tides, the oceans themselves, and possibly more. Sort of makes me want to bust Ceres out of its orbit and slam it into Venus in the same perfect glancing blow.

@TomTaner-pi9vk

1y↑1

Thanks for this. Enjoyable listen. What about questions surrounding the retrograde rotation and slow orbit: do you only get this through collision or are there other theories as to how this could occur?

@personzorz

46w↑1

I've seen some suggestions that the extremely thick atmosphere might get you very slow rotation from solar tides

@virilian

51w

Its amazing to think that 40 yesrs ago we never knew whether exoplanets even existed

@Gotenham

wow, great interview, really interesting guest!

@gregorykrajeski6255

51w↑1

I think we should work on a long term robotic mission to venus. The first piece would be giant baloon, a floating base, high enough in the atmosphere to be well above the hottest atmosphere.

That could run missions, or it could act as a base for further roboti. exploration.

A later mission could even be manned if the base stayed at the right height in the atmosphere.

@lukestrawwalker

45w↑1

I think the balloon idea is terrific. Design a hardened instrument cluster that could be lowered by cable down to the surface, perhaps receiving coolant through the tether lines connecting it to the balloon, which could survive for a number of hours to take readings and collect samples from the surface, before being retracted back up out of the hellish surface conditions, to deliver its samples back to the balloon "mother ship" overhead in the "earthlike" temperature zone of the atmosphere... at some point those samples could be robotically transferred to a rocket to launch them out of Venus's atmosphere into orbit, where they could then rocket back to Earth for analysis, or be captured by an Earth return vessel designed to transport them back to Earth. A mission capable of lowering an instrument sled down to the inhospitable surface could return massive amounts of useful data and measurements as well as samples.

@GrapplingwithPhysics

1y↑2

It seems to me that the extremely slow rotation of Venus plays a huge role in why it is inhabitable. The rotation is too slow to have a rotating magnetic core, so it has no protective magnetic field. The sun likewise cooks one side of the planet for roughly 100days at a time because the days are so long. Yeah, I know the greenhouse effect is a huge factor, but I’m wondering if researchers fully taken into account the length of the heat up cycles and huge winds that move heat around rapidly.

In other words, even if a world is in the habitable zone without sulfuric acid clouds, perhaps such a slow rotation would make it inhabitable

@spherebotics

Great interview!

@neverlistentome

50w

Very few craters seems to have a fairly intuitive answer: A super thick atmosphere would burn up all but the largest impactors.

@R.Instro

1y↑1

54:20 - Regarding plate tectonics, the reality is that Einstein's theories of Relativity predate our understanding of plate tectonics, so it's no surprise that the conference Dr. Byrne references spent so much time trying to come to an agreement with their terminology, let alone failing to answer the topic. It's incredibly complicated, and basically still a new science in the scheme of things.

@jmikewilliams

14w

You've got a point!
Maybe one, unmanned, but fully equipped Starship land on the moon. Then, couldn't another Starship double as Lunar Gateway and deploy a lander (which would be carried on it as cargo) from there?
What do you think?

@RobRoss

51w

Great episode!

@mrfirewoodzipline9120

Great interview guys. Another reason for the recent interest in Venus has to be the greenhouse effect. As Earth gets warmer, will we end up like Venus?

@finldavi

Great interview

@mertc8050

1y↑12

I was also obsessed with venus simply because it litteraly is earth in a diffrent point in its life and also it has the most earth like environment we know of in the cloud layers

@M5a1r4c7

1y↑1

The "benign" environment in the clouds of Venus still seems to be a conceptual blind spot for too many space enthusiasts. Perhaps floating around among the Venusian clouds doesn't excite them?

@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286

50w

@@M5a1r4c7 For what reason would you do that?😊

@M5a1r4c7

50w

@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 Seems like a fantastic vacation spot. Vacationing in a city in the clouds with 81 degrees F and near normal atmospheric pressure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwH686rgyBg

@darthnihiluz5305

I heard it's quite warm all year long.

@jdcrunchman999

52w↑1

What are the night time temperatures on Venus? What about the poles? I would assume that because of the heavy atmosphere, the temperatures are pretty even, IE: very little temperature difference. Will there be some probes that can check out these new places on the surface? How about remotely measuring the temparatures

@bellyvomit7460

48w

Man, I hope hope the DAVINCI probe is equipped with cameras...I want to see "actual" images of Venus's surface. I was blown away by the Venera images, I want more Pics!

@a.ndy.nonymous

11w

Bravo Mr. Cain.

@bludragonproject9677

:D Laughed at that one! My thoughts were more on the density of the cloud layer/atmosphere, and whether Lidar would be an asset in punching through that layer to better image the surface features. Just a thought.

@frasercain

I couldn't believe how low resolution data we have about the surface of Venus.

@meesalikeu

@@frasercain well, the venus days are fairly acid cloudy after all. 😂

@ernestbrunty5287

Hey Mr Sir Cain have you ever talked about containment thrust?

@ashenshugar8650

1y↑5

I always thought it was impossible for a rocky planet to keep its atmosphere so close to the sun without magnetism. Especially not one as thick as Venus.

@a.forbes133

1y↑4

I think it has to do with earth sized worlds possessing immense amounts bulk volatiles in their warmer mantles and persistent volcanism needed to constantly release those gases and maintain an atmosphere over geologic time but also the gravity required to hold it all down.

Keep in mind that even though Venus' atmosphere is massive it likely already lost a couple Earth's worth of atmospheres in the form of lighter molecules. The Co2 is heavy enough to stick around even without a magnetosphere so it built up without a long term sequestration mechanism such as oceans, convective plate tectonics or even carbon fixing life.

As matter of fact if earth wasn't constantly sequestering Co2 it would have easily built up here too so my theory is if Venus had an ocean and life they didn't exist long enough to sequester the Co2 maybe due to being closer to the sun, less initial bulk water content, massive impacts, insufficient magnetosphere or extreme volcanic events that boiled off the oceans and anything in them. From there a Co2 rich atmosphere naturally builds up which I actually think is the most common path for earth sized rocky worlds with volcanism but no long term oceans or carbon fixing life.

@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286

50w

@A. Forbes CO2 isn't strong enough to be the reason it's hot. CO2 has a very limited heating effect and Venus being so much closer to the sun is the reason it's hot. That and the lack of magnetics.

@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286

50w↑1

And the fact that it has an insanely thick atmosphere. That's probly the biggest reason.

@a.forbes133

50w↑1

@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 That's a bit inaccurate, while CO2 does have a fairly limited heating effect at the concentrations and magnitude present on Venus it is the main reason the planet has a higher constant surface temperature than Mercury which is much closer to the Sun. As matter of fact Venus is actually in the Sun's habitable zone for liquid water. So without the dense CO2 atmosphere Venus would be a tropical planet which is what scientists initially thought it was before sending probes. Being closer to the Sun would only make it tens of degrees hotter than earth with all other things being equal to the atmospheric parameters of earth, 41C degrees to be exact vs earth's average of 15C rather than the couple hundred degrees we currently observe.

@larroyo1973

50w

@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 That and an atmosphere so dense..
thats pretty much like water in the deepest depths. It'll crush you in an instant.

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@mikeegan

50w↑1

I would be interested in Dr Byrnes opinion on’ If Venus had had a Earth like moon it would have been a mor earth like planet’
BTW Great to see a fellow Irishman doing such a great job in planetary science.

@chrisreidburns

12w

Will VERITAS data be able to be compared with Magellan data to establish movement of surface features over the 30 years separating the data collection ?

@Bunker278

11w↑1

Venus is far more interesting than Mars. Venus was the first planet I aimed my first telescope at back in 2001. I will admit Jupiter was more jarring because I immediately saw four moons. I never looked at Saturn. I should have. Being able to see the rings would have been awesome, but Venus still holds a special place in my heart.

@AllanArmstrong

1y↑2

Excellent interview/QnA. Thanks! Rising temperatures on earth speak simply and increasingly loudly to me that USA's further procrastination on funding the exploration/study of Venus will be done at Earth's peril.

@ferengiprofiteer9145

At my part of this planet, the temperature hasn't raised in the 8 decades I've lived here. Summer, fall, winter, spring pretty much stay in the same range they always have.
Don't swallow everything people try to feed you.
If your only salvation is submitting to authority, the threat is always fake.

@jondoc7525

For real this Guys a sheep . Earth can absorb like 6-7 times the Carbon currently here . Plants already can from our past . Sun cycles , glaciers growing , our place in the galaxy orbit , earth changing forest to desert before we exist and back die to our 20k earth wobble . Lots of money in tricking you

@jondoc7525

1y↑1

That being said agreed on checking out Venus . We need a helicopter in those clouds snapping photos of the surface

@Confuseddave

A bunch of times he says "the short answer is: I don't know" and EVERY TIME I wanted him to say "the longer answer is: IIII dooooon't knoooooooooow"

@dkktodai1515

In thinking of Venus as a colonization target - considering the density of the atmosphere, would attempting to settle the surface be analogous to settling Earth's seabed under the ocean?

@gregansen544

51w

0.9g nearby would be an absolute blessing for any kind of manned presence, until the return. Automated science missions would be hugely justifiable, it seems, EXCEPT that committing funds in any major new direction is likely to tighten the purse-strings all round.

@uncleeric3317

1y↑10

This was a fantastic episode. I could have listened for another two hours. Venus certainly does not get the love and attention it deserves. This means you, Mars.

@frasercain

1y↑4

Paul is a lot of fun, we've talked many times in the past so I knew it would be a banger.

@yvindwestersund9720

13w↑1

@nick_vigerfil

11w

I agree 👍 greetings from the other side of Europe , greetings 🙋🏻‍♂️from 🇬🇷

@thepiper5522

12w

Hey he looks like Isaac Arthur! 😜Different accent, of course. Sorry for the no substance post, but Venus...let's go!

@eneslem

23w

Hey Fraser, big fan! I have questions I am really hoping you can answer it. If you took a bowling ball and a golf ball to the ISS and put them in a vacuum, could you get them to orbit? What would this look like? How fast would the orbit be?

@ahaveland

"put all the volcanoes into one handy location"
That's quite a feat!

@rogerdudra178

14w

Greetings from the BIG SKY.

@meesalikeu

fraser plz find someone obssessed with triton like this! 😅🎉

@DrDeuteron

48w

Regarding volcano heights: The reason the tall volcanos are on mars is because its gravity is 3/8g. Note that Mons Olympus is 8/3 times taller than Everest. This is because: it is the maximum weight continental crust can support before it deforms and sinks.

@botz77

I'm obsessed with it too. Especially after hearing the album Infest The Rats Nest by King Gizzard And The Lizard Wizard. "Oh, we're going to the second planet from the sun
Oh, our ship can deliver us from our ruin"

@SanctuaryLife

12w↑2

At 7:00 the question is asked, why are there fewer than 1000 craters on Venus as that doesn't make sense? Well of course, Venus has a much thicker atmosphere, so anything travelling at high speed burns up much faster including any smaller meteorites.

@taith2

48w

What makes me wonder: why Venus missions haven't considered using vacuum tubes? No need of preheating, works outright, just slap nuclear reactor and Stirling engine on it, something theoretically feasible for ages
These days we will probably brute force it with silicon carbide, but i have no idea why electron emission under a vacuum haven't been utilized

@nevyngould1744

29w

Don't you need to keep one end of a Stirling engine cold though?

@cg21

I'm not obsessed with it but have been #teamVenus for some years now. Forget settling Mars and let's build floating cities above Venus!

@christophermockford1502

50w↑1

I read a book many years ago called Venus Revealed. A history of the space race between US and USSR, but also some other interesting facts that really make me ponder its significance in human history and culture and religion. It's that 'star next to the moon' in all those flags of Islamic countries.

@gregorychaney7604

10w

How refined are plans for a Venus blimp? Lighter than air technology seems like the only reasonable way to have extended missions on Venus.

@michaeljames5936

19w

How far out from the Sun, would we need to tow Venus before it cooled down to below 100 C (in some form of equilibrium)? I'd imagine it would be well out past Mars and I'm wondering, when they are defining 'the habitable zone', do they consider Venus like worlds, 'too far away' from their star, but still toasty warm?

@I.amthatrealJuan

39:57 He almost let out a cuss there 😂

@ChrisNelson-iq5nt

Question:

I keep hearing about exoplanets and it's very exciting. But how do we determine an exoplanet's mass or composition. I understand the transit method or wobble way of finding an exoplanet but how do we know it's composition?

@frasercain

We can guess at its composition based on its size and mass which gives us its density. Different kinds of material have different density, so you can tell if it's mostly made of metal and rock or gas.

@marshalleubanks2454

13w

The key I think is biology. The Mars program was killed by a declaration that Viking had failed to find life (which I found unscientific at the time, but so be it) and was re-energized by "follow the water," which was astrobiology by other means. The key to Venus IMO is biology in the clouds, which has never been properly explored (and which won't be really explored by the new Venus missions either).

@frasercain

13w

There's a private Venus probe that will try to find evidence of life in the clouds, but I think you're right. None of the current mission ideas can do much to find evidence of life.

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