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Wonaldo was the project of Wouter Bruys..His music can be described as Melancholism.
In his melancholic compositions you can hear him playing guitar, clarinet ,melodica and glockenspiel.

He continues making music under his real name Wouter Bruys and with his new project Geographonic in which he combines his music with educational documentaries and educational games to get people interested and informed about geographical issues.
Some of his tracks might be suitable to accompany short movies.

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Most interesting comments from YouTube:

StraightFactsYo

@Mafia ronaldo was literally voted better, more times

You literally said Messi was better because he was voted it.

Or not???

Am I just making stuff up here bro? You literally said it 😂😂😂

Yet, when I googled it, I quickly found out that Ronaldo had actually been voted better, more times

You’re waffling mate, stop

And stop liking your own comments too it’s actually pathetic 😂😂😂😂😂

StraightFactsYo

@UC7r0UHYEekCG6WSN64Tk_Og so, you lose

Ronaldo has been voted the best player more times than Messi and as you said earlier, whoever is voted it, is it

So, you’re wrong.

Or, you lied???

Either way, I win, you lose, based on your own logic

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahahahaha

jack 27

@K G a terrible argument because your idol can't score past good teams in tournaments.

Funny you mention favourite opponents because here's another fact.

Favourite opponents in tournaments
Ronaldo: Spain Netherlands Switzerland
Messi: Panama

Hope this helps

All comments from YouTube:

Boikanyo Madisha

3y↑2K

Ronaldo is incredibly sharp and EFFICIENT, Messi on the other hand can make you doubt your own eyes with what he does with the ball.

CS Mycroff

Ronaldo is great goal scorer.

But, Leo Messi is great goal scorer, dribbler, assister, passer and playmaker..

Messi is footballer perfect man

David Martin

@Gwelloboy Ronaldo has done it at multiple teams and his national team. Now here’s a fact….messi has never done it with Argentina.

Ronaldo does unbelievable things wherever he goes.

Messi done unbelievable things for a super Barcelona team. Yet to prove anything at PSG.

Ronaldo every day of the week

Sam Fisher

I agree with everything you typed. Once Messi gets past the middle of the field, he's already a threat lol

Daryl kehmia

@Y2K Steel lol zlatan scored a bicycle kick from midfield , long range shots like pendu ,,get outta here man 😂😂and zlatan did it consistently

kevin williams

@Gwelloboy both unique and could do, so for me there's no best between them. Watch and enjoy🤷

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Daniel Mughal

3y↑932

Carra silencing the hell out of Neville... loved it.

JRR-06

@Kishen Parekh meanwhile ronaldo got cocky and destroyed his own hope of all time most won ucl titles by individual😥😥😥😥😢😢😢😥😟

JRR-06

@Kishen Parekh anyways i gotta say messi is a real genius to keep staying on barcelona till the very end which gave him trophies and awards

JRR-06

@Gul Zada i didnt say anything bad tho

Gul Zada

@JRR-06 neither did u had something good to say so f off

JRR-06

@Gul Zada i dont want to besides why are butting in if you have nothing good to say shut up please

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ABHICHAND P.B

3y↑673

"It doesn't matter how the ball goes in the net" - most relevant line ever. It only needs to go in.

Virtual GamerX 🎮

@KingPatil28 you r talking only leo penalty in copa final and Ucl 2012 semi
How Cristiano failed to scored 2 important penalties that made madrid lose 2 la liga titles
Penalty missed against bayern in ucl semifinal 2012
against chelsea in ucl final 2008
Lol..

Dominic Kimani

@Sulaiman Rusmi You're acting like Messi doesn't have goals with his weak foot, He has goals even this year out the box with the right foot, He just prefers his left more. Ronaldos weak foot is obviously better but quit acting like Messi doesn't shoot with the right foot

Sulaiman Rusmi

That makes no sense because to score with the ball being received from different angles is really important. Pass messi the ball he'd change it to his strong foot to shoot against the gk, give ronaldo the ball he'd use his whole body to score a goal. Bruh this dude has a goal using his peepee.

Dominic Kimani

@KingPatil28 I didn't watch R9 but I'd say Messi > R9 ask me why

omkar jadhav

So basically it all goes down to their heights on which Messi has no control moreover he suffered from growth hormone deficiency when he was child. And now thats the biggest thing people are using against him what a 🤡🤡🤡
😡😡

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Indrajit Barman

3y↑648

Look at the stats Garry brought😂😂
It Says Messi-0 International trophy
Messi has 4 CL, it says 3
Messi has 6 European Golden boot , but they didn't show , cause Garry would have lost group on who the better scorer is
Absolutely Biased Garry😆😆

Senninha mcl

@Beast YT
Ronaldo is one of the best attackers ever, I'll not deny that, but when compared to Messi, is just a lost war. Messi make everything look easy, it's like he was born to play the sport. he's a monster, and superior in every aspect of attacking play. Messi, the definition of the Goat.🐐
Ronaldo can't play the number 10 position like Messi,! No, never. Because he's very selfish. When Ronaldo goes 1 vs 1, usually gives ball back to his teammate, he doesn't go through dribbling because he isn't sure he'll make it. Also, I saw him many times he falls over a ball or does useless bicycle stepovers and then does nothing with it..

DA gotówka

@Luke Park why are we changing rules because it's Messi if you play a game you are a part of that campaign...

IPF Gaming

Gary Neville is baised because he played with him. All the numbers are in Messi's favours and if people do not count his 1st CL then Ronaldo has 0 intl trophies. In 2016 euro he was not even in euro top 10 player list, even rui and pepe from his own team were better than him, they qualified group stage coz of rule change to let 2 more teams go through and he missed the most important game. And 2nd one, look at the wikipedia page of nations league, it says "it is a friendly tournament converted to competitive". Also he didn't deserve the 2014 Ballon dor, neuer did, he won the CL and world cup that year. I know there are many things in Messi's favour as well but the official numbers are official, in both Messi's and Ronaldo's case.

Heicuu

@Chaitanya Sharma Ronaldo got injured in the middle of the final. And before that, his goals sent Portugal through. Again, I'm not saying Messi doesn't deserve that CL trophy, I'm saying he doesn't count it.

kevin malone

Ronaldo played 117 more games and but only 4 more goals lmao. also how about assists?

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Joe Sheppard

3y↑859

Neville mentioned "massive amount of penalties" like it supported his argument. 😂

Dominic Kimani

@bolton mchinga Penalties are easy dude. Stop naming the 2-3 number of times he didn't score a pen. He scored 100 others. Penalty scoring ratio is 80% meaning 80/100 times a player will score. That means they're easy. And they are. That's what Ronaldo relies on to be at Messi's level

You Say Yes I Say No

3y↑1

People really underrate penalties man, to score so many of them is a feat, especially amidst pressure

surplus stock

@Berke Deniz Jamie "no League" Carragher

Berke Deniz

“It doesn’t matter how a ball goes in the net”
~Jamie Carragher

udit singh

@Arsalan Khan Always judge by the success rate for deciding easy and tough.. out of 10 times , any avg player will score 9 penalties..
If England scored earlier from plays then there is no need for penalties ..

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olaluwoye faith

3y↑406

For the first time, I'm impressed by carragher's analysis. For someone who plays mainly as a playmaker, and he still has more games to goal ratio than Ronaldo, not just waiting for an opportunity to poach and score, let alone the fact he is probably the only player who literally does magic with football, things you WILL NEVER see another player do. Ronaldo is great but all he does you will find other players doing them.... Scissors kick, long range shot, headers, left foot goals, etc. Ronaldo is great but common, this is not hard to see that Messi is the best player in history.

Diptanu Shyam

Certainly as everyone is busy copying CR7 from long so there will be copies. Still no one reached the level of his dedication and persistency.

Punkk神

@Dylan Agyekum ??

Dylan Agyekum

@Punkk神 messi over ronaldo dead

DIEGO LAGOA

@Cacious Sekgobela of course It Matter. Put cr7 in 2003 debut alongside Zidane Ronaldo Figo and Beckham in madrids galácticos and the spanish league and today CR7 has 1200 official goals in his Career and world record in titles. Messi first season was a player of the european cup Champions lead by Ronaldinho. He didnt have to suffer in a bad team

Cacious Sekgobela

@DIEGO LAGOA dude the is Ronaldo started competing professional football way before Messi, it don't matter how n where he started, to say that Messi first is from dinho changes nothing about who Leo is, dude dinho didn't influence Messi to be the best in fact no else did, Messi was just a pure talent dinho or best players around him he shines, even if dinho was not there in barca he would still shine, why are even mentioning who assisted who became even Ronaldo got assisted with a great pass on his first goal regardless of who assisted an assist is an assist. Dude your response already shows you know nothing about both Ronaldo n Messi or football as a whole

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Pmi Sabawon

3y↑324

Neville forgot to mentioned assist stats. Otherwise it would have been crystal cleared who is the real GOAT.

MRVIPERZXX

2y↑2

Ronaldo most appearances assists and goals in champions league, the best competition in the world. Any excuses this comment will get deleted

Farinz Amani

2y↑2

I'm sure Gary didn't forget but clearly omitted it in order to hide his bias which was clearly staring him in the face.

pangpojken

2y↑3

"forgot"

Nashorn

3y↑18

Not to mention dribbles, key passes, etc...
He's just so biased when Man U is involved, simply not interesting at all.

Jay Gwe

3y↑192

What makes Messi the goat is that you seen players in history dominate in certain areas, Maradona in dribbling, Gerd Muller/Ronaldo in scoring, but Messi dominates everywhere. Never has there been a player to score the amount of goals Messi has and be one of the greatest dribbles of all time, while also being one of the best playmakers of all time. He is dominate in every attacking stat. Awards isn't even close 6 ballon dors, 6 golden shoes, 4 IFFHS best playmaker awards.

Sam Fisher

Glad you mentioned the play making aspect of his game. Once he crosses the center of the field, already a threat!

Vinigarr

@Dilip Devanand he makes underwear?

Dilip Devanand

@Vinigarr you seem to be one of those guys who buys Ronaldo's branded underwear

DDKAY

@DIEGO LAGOA How Madrid won 23 out of 37 from 1953 to 1990? It was corruption also ? Lool

DDKAY

@DIEGO LAGOA Mmh... why winning 16 Laliga out of 29 since 1990 and not 29 out of 29 then?...

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Shiva Ranabhat

3y↑186

There in those 6 minutes Neville lost all his respect. Carragher was trying to say, it doesn't matter whether you score with penalty or chest or your ars.

Dominic Kimani

2y↑3

Ronaldo just relies on pens to be at the same level as Messi

Light Samael

2y↑7

@Alexandra gomes and that's why, because of pure eye test. There is just no comparison. Messi is the greatest player ever to lace up football boots

Alexandra gomes

2y↑2

As if the beauty of the goal doesn t count. That's what football is all about

Alexandre Gill

3y↑4

Honestly though if Ronaldo scored at least 5 goals with him bum I would change my mind for him to be the true GOAT hehe

Ted Forbes

3y↑2.7K

Neville: “Ronaldo is the best player ever”
Carragher: “Messi is the best player ever”

Souness: “Pogba is such a poor player”

Keva Rosenburg

@Lee 97YNWA the premier league is made up of south american and ex la liga mercenaries anyway that messi would have already ripped up somewhere down the line

Dawn Keebals

@K Thankyou but I'm clearly not a sir

K

@Dawn Keebals you sir have a brain. 👍

edwin meja

😂😂😂

maxamedsaleban

@Mh Kec2 Ronaldo is better than Messi

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Amir Rajput

3y↑294

What messi has done with the ball over 15 years is just mind blowing. Real madrid vs barcelona both teams full of superstars but still messi feels different to all others. When he used to have the ball it feels different.

John Ohue

Messi is not complete enough to play against 19 teams week in week out in the PL. This is why he went to the farmers league despite City's interest. Also, if you choose to continue chatting gibberish, I'd love it if you remove my name from your replies.

Dominic Kimani

@John Ohue I think Ronaldo fans should tell Ronaldo to actually score against good teams, Even just tap ins. He hasn't had a good goal vs EpL last seasons top 6. Against Liverpool, 0, Against City, 0 against Leicester 0. (Tottenham is not last seasons top six). And Messi has 1 goal in 1 match against last seasons top 6. AS A RW NOT A STRIKER. Even in his worst form😭. Well, I know my goat

Dominic Kimani

@John Ohue Also Messi Against Ronaldo, Messi has won more, 6-1, 5-0 4-0. Dude, you can bring up Bayern all you want but Messi vs Ronaldo, Messi was mostly victorious and Ronaldos team barely ever humiliated Messi's team

Dominic Kimani

@John Ohue I understand my goat was beaten by Liverpool 4-0 but the previous match was 3-0 where Messi was the best player and possibly had a 9/10 rating scoring a fk against prime Liverpool where your goat could only dream of Scoring vs Normal Alisson and Weak Van Dijk😭

John Ohue

Since we are doing this, your goat was pumped 4-0 by Liverpool and 8-2 by Bayern contributing nothing in both of those games. Before you mention my name again, kindly make sure you are not spewing garbage!

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aswer huio

3y↑147

I absolutely love Jamie Carrager.. 😂 keep them grounded.

hen ko

and burned down his house)

mrjs323

3y↑166

Stats don’t tell the whole story. Plays that start or set up player movements that eventually end in a goal could never be tracked. This is what makes Messi special in my mind. Not only do the stats say he is the goat, but the numerous goals scored because of his playmaking ability that doesn’t show up on stats sheets.

ahmad fuad Hamdan

If only stats like goals and assists are used, great players like zidane or maradona cannot be considered the greatest.. but great footballers are more than just goals

sakib Mir

@olaluwoye faith Ronaldo will be nobody 🤣🤣🤣 it shows how neutral u are 😂

Marc Jackson

Well said

olaluwoye faith

3y↑3

Ok Yes I absolutely agree stats don't always tell the true story. And of cos those stats aside, Messi will still be the most amazing player in the world and Ronaldo will be an absolute nobody (Stats aside). But that's the beauty of it, even with Stat, Messi still better imo....... So I don't even get the essence of these debates

serry ciok

3y↑2

3:11 - When gary pulls out Messi's stat and starts stuttering. Pure Gold! :D

gLncD_uP

3y↑52

I agree with Carragher : Messi makes the whole team play better because he increases the possibility of scoring goals not only by being a clinical finisher, but also by increasing the possibility of his teammates scoring; because Messi is a better playmaker compared to Ronaldo.

TD GAMING OFFICIAL

@Marvin Louw typical Penaldo fan with some excuses 😂

BIG DIESEL

Ronaldo ain’t a playmaker bro he’s a poacher striker, u even heard it. Messi has 1,200+ key passes career.

Marvin Louw

Carragher hates Ronaldo because he made him look like a fool back in his days

serry ciok

3y↑3

I absolutely love Jamie Carrager.. 😂 keep them grounded.

TenableTester

3y↑99

Anytime I need to confirm my point about how deluded man United fans and CR7 fans really are... I just watch this

Do something about it

He’s barely scored for psg in a farmers league relax

TD GAMING OFFICIAL

@Shiva Ranabhat 😂😂😂

Shiva Ranabhat

3y↑4

Watching this after Liverpool thrashed united 0-5 😂😂. And he has the audacity to say Ronaldo would win him a match in 10 minutes.

TenableTester

@HO RUS ok... What's with the ???

HO RUS

3y↑12

??? I'm a Man Utd fan and i dont even deny that Messi is a better player it's just the truth

Shiva Ranabhat

3y↑65

Neville is a typical penaldian. The guy poaches for entire 90 minutes vs a guy who barely gets into the box after beating 2,3 players minimum has almost the same amount of goals scored.
Nobody in history even comes close to the amount of assists and chances Messi creates.

Dominic Kimani

@Tahmid Ahmed And assists≠playmaking. Ronaldo is not top 10 all time playmakers. Also even if he has more in ucl explain 90 more assists in 145 more games

DIEGO LAGOA

Messi doest do that since he was 25

Tahmid Ahmed

3y↑1

Wrong. Ronaldo has more assist in ucl

Sunny Namchoom

3y↑2

Why are you so mad bro. Messi vs Ronaldo debates are always a disaster, people ll always find reasons to say one is better than another. I saw like 6 comments of yours, spare Gary he just doing what you are doing looking at stats to prove something HE believes.

Dipanjan Munshi

3y↑85

Ronaldo fan's dream: Ronaldo is the greatest footballer of all time...

Ronaldo fan's nightmare: Reality of Messi's existence... (and they live it every day)

G H O U L

3y↑59

Messi can create a goal and also score while others can only do either one. That's what makes him a GOAT

Dominic Kimani

@Sanjay Even when he is assigned a CF role in matches, his main role is usually chance creation. His position is more of a cam

Sanjay

Yes he can do both because he isnt a CF if he was a CF His duty is to score goals only!

leonardlim10

3y↑2K

gary is the kind of person that highlights the whole textbook

Cruddy 7133

@Boakai Kiawu Thats why Ronaldinho got less Assists per game, lower pass conversion rate, fewer chances/big chances created, and overall less passes. Like what?!

Ash Bash

@Boakai Kiawu Manu was league winning team when Ronaldo joined. Real Madrid is the biggest team on earth. Juve was winning 7th league title in a row when Ronaldo joined

Boakai Kiawu

@Ash Bash Hahaha! I knew you just another Messi fan😂😂😂Cr7 is the real deal tho! Championship in three different big leagues.💪💪

Alexandra gomes

I m already a fan of Neville by now

Zarina Black

@Boakai Kiawu in 2019/2020 the midfield was nothing compared to that the legends we had before but messi still managed to score 30+ goals, win the league and get the most assists

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WinterBird

3y↑155

Interesting how Neville makes penalties sound like it is some kind of achievement. He says it is all about the goals…Well Messi has 100 games less and the same amount of goals…And where are the stats for assists? surely the greatest ever must be judged on assists too.

Dominic Kimani

@zeus111 Not really, when it comes down to it, in finals when it comes down to pens, even defenders take them and score

Dominic Kimani

@Sanjay 2014-2018 Ronaldo didn't smoke Messi, 014-18 Real Madrid just won UCls. How exactly did he smoke him when Messi had more goals than him in 014/015, 016/017, 017/017 and the only time Ronaldo beat him 015/016 Suarez was the top scorer???

zeus111

@Dominic Kimani and yet there are literally thousands of players who won't step up to take them because they don't have the confidence or nerve. The reason it's 80% is that most penalties for most teams are taken by a small handful of players who have the nerve.

Dominic Kimani

@Nji Mondi But that is in all competitions, did you look up in just La liga when Messi was better than Ronaldo on every aspect, also Messi had 55+ assists

Dominic Kimani

@bolton mchinga I'll prove to you that Messi was better than Ronaldo in Spain. In laliga only, Messi had more goals than Ronaldo and more assists and a better ratio despite playing more games. Ronaldo managed to reduce this in ucl where he was better. However in 09-018 Messi had 22 more goals but the difference in ratio between him and cR7 is 0.2 and Messi had 55+ assists. Messi also had more pichichis. And if goal ratio in the period Ronaldo was in Spain matters, then Ronaldo has played 145 more games, Messi has a better ratio and is thus a better goalscorer

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Starboy PUBG

3y↑77

neville hasn't even updated the stats😂😂😂.he is using stats of 2019😂😂😂

ISMAEL SANA

3y↑8

He is just out his mind. He stated that Messi has 3 CL and 0 international trophies; yet it's 4 CL since 2015 and 1 international since last Copa tournament

RXCE_RL

3y↑130

Gary if Messi wins a stat "it's close"

Chris Gault

3y↑7

Like the balon d or yeah there similar. No Gary Messi has more

Jothy Kumar Selva Kumar

3y↑26

When it comes to header. Header goals are mostly scored from corners. Messi takes the corner kick & Ronaldo in the box for corners. So definitely Ronaldo will have more goals via header without even considering their height difference.

Jeppe Lærkesen

@Tahmid Ahmed The point is in fact valid. In the video they only compare goal stats, so if Messi is taking corners and getting assists and Ronaldo is scoring off of them wouldn't that be a bit unfair?????

Sanjay

Even if messi is in the box he can't even lay his finger on the ball

Tahmid Ahmed

But then again messi can get more assist from those corners. So your point is invalid

Tahmid Ahmed

Height difference? Ronaldo is much taller than messi that’s why messi dribbled better too. I can say the same thing for Ronaldo. Messi is short so he has lower gravitational pull so he dribbled better

Jothy Kumar Selva Kumar

3y↑1

@Lmfy cant say that Bro. sometime even Neymar takes corners. sometime the best passers take corners. so even if messi might be taller, its no guarantee he wont take corners. thats what I meant.

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Soinas Doyi

3y↑53

I absolutely love Jamie Carrager.. 😂 keep them grounded.

streetspirit 95

3y↑16

Have to agree with Carra. Messi regularly does things that makes your jaw drop, Ronaldo doesn't.

mrcool guy

@Val9 You leave your home after 21 years and go somewhere you need to adapt. Messi is more complete than Ronaldo. He scores,dribbles and even assists. Messi was doing what Ronaldo does now. Everyone has their prime. Ronaldo has played almost 150 more games than Messi and still has only 50 goals more than him. Messi isn't a pure striker like Ronaldo. When Ronaldo played at the wing Messi literally owned him in the stats. Even the best pl defenders or midfielders like Cole,Carragher,Kante and even defensive god maldini etc...have Messi placed above Ronaldo. I respect what Ronaldo has done in other leagues but still look at his time at Juventus and compare with Messi's last 5 years at Barca literally nothing different. I think the comparisons shouldn't even be there because Ronaldo is a striker whose only job is to score while Messi has to do everything. As per stats he has better goal scoring ratio than Ronaldo. Messi played Ronaldo in El classico prime years. Did u ever see how real always used dirty tactics against Messi? I don't criticise Ronaldo but Messi has achieved everything that Ronaldo has but Ronaldo hasn't achieved what Messi has which is the ability to read games. When Ronaldo played at Madrid he had 450 goals and in the same period Messi had 472 goals despite Ronaldo being a striker. Ronaldo is a great clutch player and also has a goal minded mentality which can sometimes affect his teammates like juve. Watch bonnuci interview. Messi facilitates the side he plays. At Real Madrid Ronaldo was served on plate most of the time . You are basically saying what Neville said and I am basically agreeing with what Carragher said.

Val9

@Veekshan Sunny why even respond you have nothing to shut down my argument, other than alleging i have a bias towards ronaldo despite the fact i gave you facts not feelings 🤯

Val9

3y↑1

Thats not really a strong argument, take a look at the champions league stats, the league that allows EVERY EUROPEAN team to compete, not just one league, EVERY league in the world england germany etc, ronaldo in history has done more than messi in the most important club stage, which is the champions league, more wins, more goals, assists, he won the league three times in a row, earned an international trophy with a portugal team MILES WORSE than argentina which has always had a great squad, ronaldos also been in various leagues and has won league titles in every league hes been in, and he DOMINATED in all of them, where as messi has only been im barca his entire life, and is currently struggling in a FARMER LEAGUE with no competition ☠️, ronaldo is the greatest player of all time, not too long ago he broke the record for most goals scored of all time, and is currently on a role in man utd, messi is great, one of the greatest heck hes the second greatest of all time, but looking at all the facts hes not in ronaldos league, ronaldo isnt human

kirokyo

3y↑14

Gary is that guy that will win an argument even when he's wrong.

Yin Yang

He lost embarrassingly here, sit down manc.😂

Powerful

3y↑4

nah he lost here

tewodaJ

3y↑21

Apart from Messi being 2 years younger?!!!! Even with stats, Love and Respect Cristiano but Messi is crazy!!!!!

Muhammad Razak

3y↑1.8K

That moment u realise how incompetent a major sport televising company, Sky, can't even get basic stats right. Messi has 1 international trophy and 4 champions leagues

StraightFactsYo

@Mafia that’s how stupid and childish you sound lad

StraightFactsYo

@Mafia hahahahahahaha

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Ha.

I win. You lose.

StraightFactsYo

@Mafia hahahahahahahahahahah

StraightFactsYo

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Rackare

3y↑69

Since no one seem to bring up Scott Sterling, then i will. He has a phenomenal head for the game, amazing defender and often uses that defence for offence making him a extreme danger to opponents. Just a lovely guy really aswell.

AnswermykoL

3y↑5

For all the great ones, you can't quantify what they bring to the game. You have to experience it. There are things that you cannot explain with a stat sheet. Like how Zidane dominated star studded Brazil in the 06 world cup. No stat can explain what the world witnessed in that day.

Captain Smoke

3y↑9

What is truly shocking is that Messi has 24 freaking headers. Like how? I know one that he scored in the CHL final against CR7. lol

GamerGod337

3y↑17

How can gary talk about goals when he can see right in front of him that messi has scored the same amount of goals in over 100 less games than ronaldo? Then if we bring assists into the conversation, messis numbers just get better. Messi v ronaldo shouldnt even be a debate at this point.

knibloe jon

@DIEGO LAGOA messi scored more in the same time period in spain

DIEGO LAGOA

CR7 scored 450 in 430 in Spain. Messi cant even score in the physical french farmers league. Put him with Morata and Arthur at Juve or lingard and rasford in England and lets see his ratio

Jamie Baite

@Muhammed-Yusuf what is the idea you have for this then...

Muhammed-Yusuf

You have no idea damn

TC Candler

3y↑4.2K

If I were to bring one player on from all of football history... to win a match... it would be Titus Bramble.

Conor

HAHAHAHA 🙄🙄🙄🙄

boi

We never forgot the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

JustTheMidget

Jonathan Spector aka Messi

JustTheMidget

Ole replacement ready right here

Rheadulf Nongneng

No bro I'll bring on Santiago munez

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Talat Aziz

3y↑26

Carragher says it all Messi 💥❤️is real one n only GOAT no question ❓
STATS prove it all
Even the stats they r looking is wrong
Messi won 4 UCL titles, N this year he has Copa America
Isn't that major international trophy haa

Farhan M

@COMEBACKNALDO 39 club trophies vs 30 club trophies

COMEBACKNALDO

3y↑1

Euro>copa

Tahmid Samin

no assists and 6 golden boots of messi were not mentioned.

Matt Savage

Yeah exactly he won the champions League in 2006 against arsenal he may have only came off the bench but he played in other games so it still counts.

Roxorito

3y↑13

Messi wins in goals. Messi wins in assists.

Messi wins in successful dribbles
Messi wins in key chances created.
Messi wins in key passes.
There's no debate to be had. They're not even close. Messi is clear period.

TD GAMING OFFICIAL

@DIEGO LAGOA Hahah Penaldo joins the finest clubs to delight himself.(Still he flops)😂

Exomik

2y↑1

Deluded messi fan. You know messi has 755 goals and ronaldo has 798. Man pulls up bullshit facts lmao

DIEGO LAGOA

2y↑1

Messi played 20 years in Spain where CR7 scored 450 goals in 430 games. Look at him in the french farmers league and internacional level. Not even close to cr7

Basil Kuriakose

🤣😂

K G

3y↑13

1. It doesn’t matter how you score the goals, Messi has a better goal to game ratio.
2. He choose to leave assists out. This is an argument over who’s the best goal scorer. You’re leaving the out the fact he is also the best playmaker.
3. Ronaldo has scored something like 29% of his international goals against top 50 teams. Messi has scored 82% against top 50 teams.
4. They played in the same league and Messi had more goals and assists during ronaldos time in Spain.

kaneki ken

@jack 27 But we are here talking about who is the best so according to their entire football career until now , Messi has the most games to goal ratio even after having played 100+ less games, most individual awards,this are facts and not an opinion.

jack 27

@K G because I'm not arguing about the la Liga thing, I'm solely on about international football.

jack 27

@K G what? I never said it was a terrible argument, that's what you was on about in the first place.

Also Ronaldo is better internationally, no doubt about it.

K G

@jack 27 how’s it a terrible argument? Your idol can score all he wants, doesn’t matter if you aren’t winning. Messi has a better resume. You forget that Messi isn’t a striker like Ronaldo and can actually make a difference by being a playmaker. That’s the difference between the two

Why do you keep ignoring the La Liga argument? 😂 or are your little 15 goals all you can cling on?

jack 27

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Derice Robert

3y↑7

Messi scored goals that we have ever seen and the must difficults ,he s incredible

Yash Mishra

@Sanjay now you ain't replying mate

Derice Robert

3y↑1

@Sanjay all Ronaldo's goals are look alike

Sanjay

So u haven't seen Goals by Ronaldo?

SKY WALKER

3y↑21

Gary Neville used his own international trophies (0) instead of messi's copa& Olympics gold

Giovanni

3y↑8

3:48 So… we’re not just going to talk how these Messi’s stats are WRONG for Messi. 🤡

James Varas

3y↑7

I think Neville sort of lost some ground when he mentioned the international goal scoring record. IMO

Caesar S.

2y↑1

I love Messi and Ronaldo they are the greatest players I’ve ever seen. All I know is when the time comes for retirement it’s gonna be a very depressing time to watch football without Messi and Ronaldo…

thegreatcalvinio

3y↑3K

Gary: "Roy, Messi or Ronaldo?"

Keano: "Well I tink it's Denis Irwin."

Hoje Tive Cá

@yonGGeun 드래근신 "messi has more goals than cr7 at same age" ---------- Comparing goals by age is stupid and i'll prove it: by age 25, CR7 had over 300 FEWER official goals scored than Pelé @ the same age, and yet CR7 has surpassed Pelé's official career total AND hasn't yet reached the age @ which Pelé retired.
This means Pelé scored a HUGE amount of official goals very early in his career but then his "goal production" dropped substantially, while it's the other way around with CR7 because he started his career as a midfielder scoring few goals, but then he REALLY started scoring prolifically, to the point that he surpassed Pelé while younger.

Jim Clawley

Underrated comment 😂

yonGGeun 드래근신

@Cynthia Ndlovu messi has more goals than cr7 at same age, messi has more assists, man of the match, ballon dors than cr7.

Cynthia Ndlovu

@Tejas Bhat he has a higher goal ratio

Louis Naum

Obviously not the best ever player but Denis Irwin was a world class full back

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Diougo 21

3y↑21

Jamie's objectivity and the ronaldo/United bias absolutely made Gary look like an amateur here.

George P

2y↑2

Ronaldo literally carrying Man U with game winning goals rn... 🐐

Miguel Ponte

The question was who would win you a game coming off the bench with 10 minutes to go in a tight match. Would you expect that player to be Messi...dribbling 3 or 4 players and scoring or even getting a great pass through goal or would it be Ronaldo coming from the left or right and blasting a ball in or heading a ball in from a corner or cross. Obviously in a tight game, against 10 man guarding the box I would definitly choose Ronaldo because of his amazing headers...no argue. Also he is much more of a motivator for the other teammates.

Jdjdjd H

3y↑11

Messi gets more goals than a striker and more assists than a playmaker. The man is an alien.

Sofian Ali

3y↑66

Ole off the bench over either of them… he’s literally the definition of a super-sub

keran seunarine

U aint wrong brother. Messi da 🐐 though

mel 007

Fax

Sofian Ali

3y↑2

@Triple C Chillout mate get James Wilson off the bench I reckon he’s got a goal in him somewhere… if you look with a microscope you’ll see the goal in him 😂

Triple C Chillout

3y↑1

Chicarito is super sub 🙌

Chisomo Kavina

3y↑1

😹😹😹😹

dan Robet

3y↑890

I love how people ignore assists and defense when they talk complete player.

DIEGO LAGOA

Lol Messi the walking dead defense? When ?

Sanjay

For a CF Ronaldo has more than decent Assists!

Sanjay

@Andre Fernanda because messi plays as a mid feilder duh!! And CRISTIANO is a Cf

Malachi 6

@Vedad Vehabovic sorry my point was he won the prem laliga and seria a lets see messi do that and also correction he scored 6 goals in 4 matches this season

Vedad Vehabovic

@Malachi 6 Manchester United (one of best 2 teams at the time with prime Scholes, Giggs, Ferdinand, Vidic, Rooney etc). Then when they started aging he went to Real Madrid (one of best two teams in the world at that time). Then when he didnt feel he is wanted he went to Juventus who at that time didnt have rival in Italy and has won 8 times consecutive Serie A. Please be objective. You seem like you want to say he played for Stoke City. I am not interested in discussion about this further because I feel I would give credibility to utter stupidity if I continued. Thanks.

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Letícia Soares.

I just think ppl use the stats how they want to and that's leaving out the fact that stats alone don't tell the whole story about a match or a season. I think at the end you choose the type of player and characteristics you like the most in a player or for your team. I don't think it's an absurd to say either of them is the greatest. Messi is a better playmaker, Ronaldo's mentality and confidence can change a game and help himself and his team turn a game around.
Messi dribbles like no one, Ronaldo is more efficient bc with the pressure to score in final mins (to cite Nev's hypothetical), he can score in more different ways. the more I've watched both, the more I see different qualities that can help in different games. depending on how a match is going and the team is at a particular moment, one would be better than the other in helping the team. they've different strengths and are both v complete players. I truly think their stats are just so ridiculous for any human being that I've decided to stop debating specifics, and just appreciate that we'll not be seeing two players like that anytime soon, if ever.

Chip yard

3y↑25

Neville and all the pundits have glaring holes in their objectivity when it comes to their (ex)team-mates.

KANCHU ADHIKARI

3y↑2

Yes correct. Neville was saying Ronaldo is better than Messi because he may even score freekick. lol in last 3 years 1 free kick for club and even after 2015 not much where are Messi has been scoring most individually than any top 5 European clubs. So that shows it's not an argument with football brain.

Edward Stev

2y↑1

After watching Messi stats and performance at PSG right now, i think all Carragher's opinion would have changed. Messi needs Barcelona😪

sotuur aeei

3y↑35

3:11 - When gary pulls out Messi's stat and starts stuttering. Pure Gold! :D

Just Some Guy without a Mustache

@Tahmid Ahmed and cr7 is taller that's why he has more headers. What's your point?

Yash Mishra

@Tahmid Ahmed what

Tahmid Ahmed

3y↑1

@Barry yeh but Messi is shorter so he can dribble better due to low gravity so no more excuses

Barry

3y↑2

You have to laugh like , majority of Ronaldo fans are United supporters who back Ronaldo to the tilt , also Ronaldo is the finest header of a ball I've ever seen comparing Messi who is what 5,6 to Ronaldo heading a ball is a bit unfair, everything Ronaldo fans bring up is stats aswell I generally don't think Messi cares about stats as a football fan he just does things only maradona could do

Adam McCourt

3y↑5

The "Ronaldo or Messi" debate can carry an endless argument...best 2 players in the world hands down for the last 15 years

Dawson Mtawarira

3y↑1

Messi is the greatest of all time!!!

Josh Ashcroft

3y↑10

Carra played Neville off the park with this one😂

Midhun Madhav

3y↑1

Messi is a living legend

L Maz

3y↑1.3K

How has Gary turned a question of does “Ronaldo make United better” into a Messi vs CR7 debate ?😭

Chris hawk

@Ronaldinho D10s hahaha 🤡

Ronaldinho D10s

@Chris hawk LOL Messi has the same number of UCL final goals as Ronaldo

Lee 97YNWA

I always read comments about how Messi has not done it in the Premier League and would struggle, people have this weird theory that the Premier League is the toughest League,
Eden Hazard, Michael Owen, Gareth Bale, Coutinho were some of the greatest players in World football when playing in the Premier League, went to La Liga and struggled.
The last 20 years of the Champions League has seen 5 winners from the Premier League compared to 10 from La Liga.
The last 20 years of the Europa League has seen 4 winners from the Premier League compared to 11 from La Liga.
Messi has also scored more goals against the Premier League top 6 than Ronaldo without even playing in the Premier League.

Jibin Mathew

@Chris hawkronaldo is a top ten player now behind messi mbappe haalnd lewa lukaku kane debruin benzema

Chris hawk

@Jibin Mathew if you are Delusional

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ed2000888

3y↑7

For me any player of the bench in the history of football in their prime?

Easy answer: Maradona WC86

xAA7

3y↑2

messi>maradona>ronaldo

Liger Beats

3y↑2

it's just so sad that no one coached by the great Sir Alex Ferguson turned out to be a good manager...Giggs, Rooney, Ole , Neville they all failed yeah Ole maybe but i don't think he's bringing us any titles,, i thought Keane was gonna be the next Fergie with all the temper and passion but Legends are born Legends...

Christopher Thorpe

3y↑1

Neville repeats the reasons why he would pick Ronaldo and in so doing fails to address Carragher's simple but most relevant of points: Messi has scored more goals; more goals coming off the bench; and it doesnt matter how he scores them.

MovTheories

3y↑1

I wonder if only goals make a greatest player of all time then I guess the art with the ball becomes and absolete. This theory only rubbishes players who contribute to make the ball ready to be put into the net. That being said, you are only ignoring the abilities of players like Iniesta, Xavi, Gerald, Lampard, Sergio Ramos Zidane. etc. If you want to compare abilities, you only compare players on the abilities of the art with not just the goals.

kevin Mason

3y↑1.8K

Neville: Ronaldo
Carragher: Messi
Keane: giggsy did it year in year out

MOHAMED FARHAN HAKIMNN

@nikhil101 jembbut

dan mc

But that was giggsys job :)

keithdechief1

@nikhil101 oh, you mean Mr Reliable - what a legend. Faultless defender who could score free kicks and penalties.

keithdechief1

3y↑1

There are so many dimensions to this game and the range of stats. We will have to wait until they retire - hopefully both having had an equally long career so we can determine the consistency of them both over that time and see if like for like we can settle the debate. Always going to be hard though. Some may even determine this based on who's style of play they prefer to watch. Multiple leagues for Ronaldo. International silverware. Tougher South American countries for Messi as opposed to the European countries Ronaldo was schooling. Brazil will always set you back on international silverware over time too, it's the unwritten but widely understood rule of football. Ratios mostly favour Messi and as his game changes, some stats may still improve or slide. Maybe for them both but as a more athletic player, Ronaldo may have better longevity. Who knows!? The debate is open for sure as for now, Messi has still played over 140 fewer games and there's what, 30 goals difference between them?

M H

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Davz Balian

3y↑6

Him using penalties as part of his argument.😂

Davz Balian

@bolton mchinga depending on the context as a team they are important,during finals where they determine matches they are important...but will a club pour millions into your account just beacuse you are a good penalty taker?...i dont know. Can club invest on a young playet just because they take good penalties?...i still dont know ,lemme ask the agents.

bolton mchinga

It makes me laugh because penalties are so easy. Messi lost copa America twice because of them, Ronaldo(Manchester United) almost lost a Champion league Finals game in 2008 because of them, Ronaldo(Real Madrid) won a Champions league Finals in 2016 because of them, Italy won the 2006 world cup because of them. It requires calm and composure in high pressure situations. Messi and Ronaldo have been both penalty takers for their teams so if one is ahead of the other, it's the other's fault, you don't miss a penalty on purpose. Maybe you do, who knows? But I agree, it doesn't support his argument.

Shivang Vaishnav

3y↑23

Yes, Sky reduced Messi's stats at 3:53 Shameful

Frank Machin

You can’t compare players from different eras. Look at players like Jimmy Greaves, George Best, Johan Cruyff - they played on mud piles, in the snow, played when defenders were allowed to kick you in the air from behind, with heavy water logged leather balls that didn’t dip and swerve. The best you can say is that a player is the best player of a certain era, and therefore one of the greatest players ever.

Darth Pepe

3y↑8

Man Utd can recruit a team with as much quality as Man City and Liverpool over the past 2-3 seasons.... but Ole Gunnar Solksjaer is not winning a title ahead of Pep or Klopp unless both those teams suffer the injury crisis Liverpool had last season

MoFadeAway

3y↑139

Messi is a midfielder striker and winger rolled into one. He can ping a pass from halfway to slot a fullback/winger in behind the opposition defence for a cutback. He is the best dribbler the game has seen and then you add the assists to the equation and he is so dangerous even without scoring which he also does.

Jay彡

@sheesh Messi's play is all about FEELINGS. Ppl don't really care whether he wins them the game or not. Ppl love Messi for HOW he plays. Its the most beautiful and probably the most perfect way to play football. If you take away 200 goals from messi's career ppl who call him the best like you will still call him the BEST. Why Ronaldo is the GOAT for me is simple. He has the HIGHIEST probability in this ERA of winning you a game REGARDLESS of the situation. down 1 goal? down 2 goals? ucl semis? round 16? quarter? in this ERA he has the highest probability. I don't care how he gets the job done. HE SIMPLE DOES IT BEST. Ronaldo vs Messi is like RM vs Barca. Barca played more beautiful football in 2 of the 3 years RM won champions league but RM won the title. Thats the difference for me. RM was better in all 3 years.

Jay彡

@sheesh Some good points there. I caught your last comment on ronaldo doing very little in other aspects. Well Ronaldo could be the Ronaldo from 2012 and be less of a clutch player than he is now and not win the UCL or any of that so he can possibly be your GOAT. How does that sound to you?.That said...

Ronaldo was a top dribbler for 12 years, lets say he didnt dribble more than 1 player after 2014. He was a top dribbler from 2002-2014. That is 12 yrs and that is from when he started till about 29. 30 being the age most ppl start considering retiring. So We have dribbling and goal scoring. Passing we will say 2002-2010 just to be nice. Thats at least 12 years of that. How does 2014-2021 (7 years) supposed to erase all that or super seed that. 12 > 7 and in those 7 years he was an old man who should have retired per normal standard for at least 2-3 of those years. So what more do you require?

Messi has all these amazing qualities. Best player when ball is at his feet but when it comes to the big teams or big stage, when compared to ronaldo, he's just not there. His best glory days were between 2009-2012. After that, its been a few big games here and there, less and less away goal. Shining at home and just look at this stat... 1-2 goals in his ENTIRE career in games where his team got K.O'd in the champions league and he's Barcas best goal scorer. To me there's no excuse. You have to go up there and score, not create year after year with nothing to show for it. Thats the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result.

sheesh

@Jay彡 haha thks mate, i take pride in being unbiased cos i cant stand being a hypocrite. While Ronaldo’s heading ability gives him a pretty overpowered tool in the most dire of moments, his 2 goals against ireland were hnstly ridiculous. But for me, the magic, the entertainment factor, is still incredibly important. Messi, along with other players like hazard and neymar are just so much more enjoyable to watch. When I watch them, they make me think of football as a game if ukwim. Ronaldo is someone who can do his job ridiculously well, but messi just kinda takes you to another place, it almost feels like a different sport, he makes me want to see him play evey match and enjoy watching a full 90 min game. At the end of the day, goals win you games, and many of the dribbles, key passes usually dont account to much but if I take into account this, how definitive a player is in winning criteria, ronaldo is just about as good, depending on opposition. (Also like to point out that while ronaldo has indeed been more clutch esp in his last seasons at real, he has rarely won the league and messi’s consistency should be taken into account as well, after all ucl while big, isnt the only competition. A large part of ronaldo’s ucl success was due to him being able to rest, credit to zidane, by nt playing in la liga. A player like ronaldo being fully rested can make a huge difference esp cos his game revolves q a lot on physical attributes, running, jumping. ) Anyw, back to my point, i feel like to be considered the GOAT, you need to have a bit of everything and ronaldo has simply done far too little apart from goalscoring consistently throughout his career for him to be considered my GOAT and while I respect ur opinion I hope you value more this side of the game as well, the less competitive, visual, joyous side. Have a good day

Jay彡

@sheesh I can reply more in depth when I have time but I'll say this now. When Ronaldo changed up his game in 2013 after not winning a single ballondor in 4 years and ppl kept telling him "yea you're dribbling and all that but your end product doesn't make the team win as much". Once Ronaldo became a clutch player that year, he has only gotten better in terms of clutch. No individual performance from the top 5 players in this era is greater than Ronaldo vs atletico Madrid for Juventus because of the situation of that game. Not a Messi game, not a neymar game not even Ronaldo vs Spain, Sweden or whatever comes close. That aside, Messi was more clutch indeed earlier on. But there are so many games in between 2012-till now that Messi just didn't impress me when it comes to winning the game for them in the toughest games. Meanwhile Ronaldo has scored in almost every game he got knocked out in or did something incredible against a team that year that just drops your jaw.
That said, you seem truly unbiased and that's rare to see. So I applaud that. I believe if your definition of best is who's the best when ball is at their feet. It's Messi. If it's who will win you a game it's Ronaldo. So this guy carra in the interview is highly annoying to me.
1. Because he did what I've confirmed a long time ago. Which is that no matter what Ronaldo does he will NOT be seen as the GOAT by the pundits or media. Don't get me wrong he's been changing ppls minds in the past 4 years with video proof but when it's all said and done he won't be. I don't care if he wins 5 world cups and it's so sad. That's why I'm getting more passionate about this topic. Anyway I've already said too much.

sheesh

@Jay彡 Im a messi fan and tbh i kind of agree with you. If my team is 1-0 down I'd probably pick ronaldo. When teams sit back and park the bus, the only real efficient way to score is a header. However, saying outright that ronaldo is a bigger big game player isnt necessarily true. Are you talking about the ronaldo in recent years, throughout his career and what about messi? Messi from 2008 to 2015 was undoubtedly more clutch than ronaldo. And while it may seem that he's become less clutch, a lot of it is just down to their respective positional changes. Messi was thought to be better suited in midfield and ronaldo higher up front. There are many factors when it comes to which team wins, luck, tactics, etc. If dembele had scored, messi would have another ucl for eg. Fine margins this, a player however how good still needs his supporting cast to do a decent job. We've seen ronaldo in juve and messi in barca from 17-20. That being said, I still feel that ronaldo has indeed been more clutch in recent seasons although messi's clutchness is hard to grasp since created chances dont count unless a teammate buries them. In conclusion, its too close to call who has been the better big game player

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George P

2y↑1

Who’s here after Ronaldo scored 2 goals against Atalanta with brilliant volley . Most clutch player of all time. 🐐

santosh limbu

3y↑1

Messi is a 🐐 (GOAT)🔥

Nico Bellic

3y↑1

Carragher is spot on tho. Cristiano is the greatest goalscorer of all time but Messi has a better ratio with way more completed dribbles, assists, key passes etc. So clearly there is no debate about who was the best. But Cristiano is a machine that keeps on going and they both are not finished yet.

anonyme

3y↑6

Ronaldo almost 100 more games played + people forget that messi is RW and ronaldo played a lot of his matches as a striker

DIEGO LAGOA

Messi played as false number 9 surrounded by the BEST midfield ever in the BEST period of His Career. CR7 played 10 years in Portugal England and Italy leagues

will coop

3y↑794

Carragher absolutely spot on this entire clip Gary I think knows he could only of won the argument by nit picking stats that puts Ronaldo on a pedestal. It’s the typical argument of look at how diverse his goals are and how dominant he’s been in other countries completely overlooking the stats that put Messi on a pedestal like his assist and chances created while also putting up the same kind of goal tally as Ronaldo.

Gwelloboy

@Derrick Kungu and ronaldo didn't play against Eibar?

Derrick Kungu

@Gwelloboy against eibar yes

Gwelloboy

@Derrick Kungu goals win games yes and Messi is just as deadly as scoring them

Derrick Kungu

@Gwelloboy Goals win games

Stringdex

@Persia bro where did i wrote such a thing? i didnt even wrote that messi or ronaldo is better

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Carlos

3y↑1

When it comes to playoffs and finals it is very clear who is the best. In the most decisive moments, does anyone have any doubts that CR7 does better? When it comes to cluch moments and leading the team to victory, does anyone have any doubts that CR7 is better?

A 123

3y↑1

I have Doubt. Can u clear that

Ricco Namz

3y↑1

Do the math and calculate the efficiency of each player, cr7 has 144 appearances more than lm10 but cr7 is only 4 goals ahead...that means messi is more likely to score than ronaldo if we go by numbers because his played less games but caught up in goals, so going by that logic then messi is the best choice but now let's face reality, both players have saved their teams a million times when they were down and both players have failed to save their teams when they were needed the most...they both play different styles but are both gods at what they do ... Just appreciate both of them for making soccer a beautiful game when they both are playing....

Mirza Kamran

3y↑1

Don’t forget messi had xavi and Iniesta and was in Barcelona his whole life so he was very comfortable in the team and had a way better understanding of the players, ronaldo changed teams and obviously it took time and games to adjust yourself with a new team. Ronaldo has always stepped in when the team needed him in big games we don’t have any shortage of the evidence.his mentality and winning spirit and energy radiates towards his teammates aswell, We haven’t seen a promising start from messi with psg let’s see what he does with the new team and then we can surely know who is the greatest !!

Mpumezo Haka

🤣🤣🤣 Gary started talking at 4:20 but still made sense

GOATs

3y↑1K

No wonder Gary didn’t make it as a manager. Firstly he’s leaving the greatest player of all time (according to him) on the bench - and then waiting till the 80th minute to bring him on!! 😂😂😂

Sunday daniel

I can't stop laughing

GOATs

@Saad Tahiru if we use fair comparisons - goals from open play, minutes per goal, goals per game and of course Golden Boots….Then Messi is better by a large margin. But of course Gary did not use these because it would of course ruin his argument

GOATs

@Saad Tahiru exactly!!! You will notice that Gary uses that same argument that Ronaldo has more goals - but that is because of course he has played more games!!. I was trying to highlight how Gary is not using fair comparison in his arguments. And I’m surprised Jamie did not mention this in the live television broadcast.

Saad Tahiru

@GOATs Of course he has more goals in that period bc he played more games. Ronaldo in his last couple seasons at Real was rested a lot in LaLiga against the weaker teams bc of injury and other issues, games where you can score many goals. But in that same period in the champions league the best club competition Cristiano has more goals, more assists, a better ratio, and scored way more in the knockout stages.

GOATs

3y↑1

@Saad Tahiru if you compare the years when Messi and Ronaldo both played in la liga (so we remove the years where ronaldo was playing as a winger, and we remove the factor regarding moving to new teams) Messi has more goals

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Nick J

3y↑1

I genuinely can't decide between the two. Think both players are the greatest of all time. Dont think we will ever see 2 players of unbelievable talent be so close I terms of huge returns in goals and amazing technique

sidwell MH

3y↑1

Haaland is capable of breaking Messi and Ronaldo's goal scoring records but he can't break Messi's amount of chances created and assists.
Messi is just unbelievable

TheLittledragonhk

3y↑5

Question to Gary, "So Ronaldo is a substitute player in the last 10 mins?"

Elroie Tegete

3y↑2

I am ronaldo fan, but at 4:04 how come Neville's stat said "0" international trophies how about Copa America, was that a barrel? as I said I'm ronaldo's fan but this ain't cool

Solo Traveller

Messi has scored more goals than Ronaldo coming off the bench because The Greats don't stay on the bench, they start every match. CR7 GOAT 🐐

Yugank Aggarwal

3y↑2

Dear Gary, well tried.
And dear Carra, Thank You 😊

Aram Verduzco

I can see both points but I have to agree with Neville. Suppose there’s a scenario in which Neville explained clearly—10min to go, sub on any player—I would also choose Ronaldo. It is true that it doesn’t matter how the ball goes into the net, but you have to depict the game further than that. If Messi comes on against a team to try and score, chances are he would score with his left, but other goals are not as likely.

Now take Ronaldo, sub him in, and that is where his “completeness” and different types of goals come into play. The other team doesn’t know how he is going to score because he can score in literally every way possible. It doesn’t matter if Ronaldo is playing with a team like Atletico—if a cross is sent into the box, Ronaldo is the most likely player to get onto the end of it. Free kick? Nowadays he wouldn’t score, but they used the term “in their prime”, and Ronaldo was absolutely nasty with his free kicks in his prime. Through ball? Ronaldo will get there a half second before anyone else. Penalty? No other candidate to take it than Ronaldo.

If Messi came on, the other team would have a better way of dealing with him for 10min—force him on his weak side. Of course this doesn’t always work, as Messi is a magician, but in terms of winning a game, as we have seen so many times, even aged 36, nobody comes close to Ronaldo to winning a game for you. The fact that he can score in every way is troubling for defenders. Force him on his weak side? He will still score (100+ left footed goals). Ronaldo struggling against the right back? He will switch sides and make your left back suffer. Flood the box with 9 players on a cross? Doesn’t matter, Ronaldo will jump higher than every single one of them. This isn’t saying Ronaldo is the best, but it is saying that there is no other candidate that comes close to Ronaldo in terms of winning you a game.

Yubraj Subba

Guy's once of a life time the greatest player from another planet magical Lionel Messi the goat 🐐 lot's of love from India

Gerardo Luna

Great conversation, so many to choose from off the bench, but I'll take Pele

Rez Berk

3y↑879

Involving Neville in this debate is like asking a father to chose between his son and his neighbor’s .

Nifty66

3y↑1

@Farhan Sameer so did Messi..

Farhan Sameer

@Nifty66 bruh 2 g/a but ok lol cr7 played midfielder and destroyed carrager many times

Ash Bash

@Rafael Rocha If you look at the factual evidence, then no, he's not

Rafael Rocha

he is still right

thomas th grear

3y↑1

And involving carrigher is Like asking a person if he likes his enemy/Liverpool vs Man U

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We'll Be With You S.C.F.C 1863 The Potters

Messi a genius once in a lifetime player the goat

Threepwoot

3y↑6

No one is talking about how CR7 lifts up his team mentally.
When Messi is losing his spirit is low. We have seen this not only numerous times with Argentina but with Barcelona as well.
Ronaldo is a mental powerhouse and a leader that players can always rely on. He is like a carry that also has supporter aura that gives his teammates strength and stats.
You can never measure this with personal stats.. it is reflected in the fact that CR7 wins with every team, in every league and with the national team.

Kamonte Westbrook

@mrcool guy bc it wasn’t the best team ?

jon plad

But ronaldo desapear in big finals, in last 5 onli ni the champions with juventus was good

Utkarsh Choudhary

@Named Claiming exactly

mrcool guy

@Kamonte Westbrook Yes but his hunger for goals is costly. Ronaldo for mentality and Messi for discipline. Messi reached a wc final. Tell me why Ronaldo couldn't go to even quarter finals with the potentially best team in Europe.

Kamonte Westbrook

3y↑2

@Named Claiming ok just bc messi gives up free kicks doesn’t make him a better “leader” than Ronaldo. Messi is known to give up. Despite whatever u say, Messi gives up where as Ronaldo will give u 100% the whole 90 minutes.

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ReliVice

3y↑13

Neville wouldn’t have chose ronaldo if he played for city tho so…

Antonis Georgeiou

Messi can do things we never see before ronaldo can do things that we show before just better than anyone we show someone with great header but not with 130 headers goals ronaldo is the Best aerial player of all times also he is unplayable to Mark with the greatest positioning of all times hes unstoppable in every single aspect of the game

Anshuman Konar

3y↑621

We all need a pal like Neville who can bring fake stats to support our argument 😂😂

Jk

@Dave Shah U dumbo thinking the same ranking is there for teams from 2014 to 2021 🤣🤣🤣

Jk

@Dave Shah Uffo 🤣🤣🤣Because of Nelson samedo we lost to Belgium and Germany dumbo 🤣🤣🤣u didn't saw matches at all and came here by googling the portugal squad and copy pasted here 🤣🤣🤣and Raphael scored own goal vs Germany dumbo 🤦🤣Except sanches,Pepe, Ronaldo and rui everyone flopped at euors 🤣🤣🤣U didn't even know cancelo withdrew from squad and came here to copy paste euro squad from Google 🤣🤣🤣

Dave Shah

@Jk belgium lost to Argentina in wc 2014 LOLLLLL and guess what happened to Germany in wc 2018 LMFAOOOOO

Dave Shah

@Jk LOLLLL Penaldians back at it again, why didnt penaldo win any individual awards at Euro 2016 then??? Messis individual awards show he carried Argentina, and penaldo's lack of individual awards at euro show how he was carried lmaoooooooo

Dave Shah

@Jk oh yea not like they had other options lmfaoooo, nelson semedo exists, raphael gueirrero exists LMFAOO.. so their squad was good. LMFAO ronaldo was the only good player wtf, have u seen renato sanches play?? LOLLLL

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Emmanuel Pepra

They both make sense in a way. I mean come on.. Everyone knows that of both of these two great players it's ronaldo who scores goals at the most strangest and unexpected times😂 You just don't see it coming. BUT it does not mean Messi can't do it. It's just when you need to turn your luck around in terms of goal scoring, it will be strange to turn to Messi. If it's about changing the game and reclaiming control over the game that's when I will bring Messi of the bench ahead of ronaldo.

Professor_ Ray

3y↑3

With messi most of the time you don’t have to win the game in the last 10min

Aldo Bitri

3y↑1

I mean Messi has 4 UCLs and an International trophy dk where those stats came from

WATCH NOFACE

I’ve never thought there is any argument. It’s natural talent (messi) vs talent and supreme work ethic and physical attributes. Ronaldo is the complete player and carries a national team and has more homies in at a wider range in football.

Carragher is wrong, because it does matter how you can score because if there is one strike left that saves the world from being destroyed and that’s a header that you gotta jump 4ft or so in the air to score, messi is not who you would call on. It matters when you don’t have a choice to use your preferred foot. Messi has an Ak 47, and his fists if he loses it, CR7 has a a Glock, a grenade, a taser a Rambo knife and a Swiss Army knife if he loses his.

Matt Williams

U are wrong. Messi has more chance to score than Cristiano, all things added up.

Gfresh844

3y↑1

Messi though is able to score many more goals through his own play, while Ronaldo is far more dependent on service, rarely now even scoring a goal from outside the box. Therefore, Messi provides arguably even more of a threat as a goalscorer. Also, Messi offers more as an overall player, given he's also a playmaker and is a better dribbler.

Sagar Adhikari

3y↑1

If you are an unbiased person who knows about football... Messi is on another level compared to Ronaldo and its not even close.

Cassandra Herrera

3y↑4

I just have a lil more respect for Ronaldo because he does his thing at different clubs. He's a winner. I believe Messi going to PSG is a good test to see what he can bring to the team and adapt and learn different things. ✌️🍻

A 123

That finished in Juve. Juve is not such a fantastic team and coach asked his to be a team player he escaped. Ohhh...Messi played 3 years in average team as team player.

M Billa

3y↑1

@Great Man didn't win the Champions league with Juve but sure whatever

Great Man

He can Cassandra,trust me

Ryan Walsh

Stats speak facts period. Also what has Messi done for psg so far ? Every Match is a debut for him looks like but ronaldo he just can't stop scoring he's not a player that needs to adapt but Messi does. Put ronaldo in any team and he'll give u goals . You can count on him scoring last minute goals most of the times. When you ask who's the best player in the world without being biased you have to think of who Is the most complete player period. It's important to look at all attributes of a player that's what makes him the best of all time.

hussein mohamed

3y↑1

Don't mix between Best player and Best scorer. Very different 😁👍🏽

abraham baiju

in the hypothetical situation they're arguing about i'd agree with Gary, Cristiano is a more complete finisher and a more competent leader and he'd make a much better impact as a substitute than Messi, similarly messi would be a better first team player than ronaldo, the whole messi VS ronaldo debate for me always depends on the situation

Ramanath Bhat

2y↑1

3:53
Ronaldo has won 5 UCL with teams not as good as Messi's. So Real Madrid is not as good as Barcelona??? Being a Barcelona fan, I don't condone this 😂😂😂😂

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