https://soundcloud.com/#dead-lemming-lounge

Dead Lemming Lounge, fro… Read Full Bio ↴https://soundcloud.com/#dead-lemming-lounge

Dead Lemming Lounge, fronted by Kyle Priess of California, began in 1997 under the name Pflak. 1999 saw the completion of "Things I'd Hate To Be" as well as several electronica albums under his side-project Chrome Bean Bag. He went on to release several albums such as "Naked Chicks In Magic Tricks," "Obscurity" and several remix albums under different pseudonyms, whilst building up an internet fanbase captivated by his unique blend of darkwave, industrial, and trip hop-influenced rock music. Currently working as Rewiner.

https://soundcloud.com/#rewiner

Coming Back
Dead Lemming Lounge Lyrics

Jump to: Overall Meaning ↴ Line by Line Meaning ↴

Where you're down
They will follow
We can box ourselves into
All do tell to be
Someone else because we hate ourselves

If they fall
We suspect you

Grab so hard
You left the bruise
Spinning around
I forget why I'm in it
What was I thinking

I wanted to see the same
I wanted what you became
You want me to interpolate
I need to rearrange

Coming back to me
It's just not a part I have seen
Coming back to me
Thought what I shouldn't be

Understand tonight I've got this all coming back to me
Understated time I've wasted all coming back to me

Overall Meaning

The lyrics to Dead Lemming Lounge's "Coming Back" explore the themes of conformity, self-hatred, and confusion. The opening lines, "Where you're down, they will follow. We can box ourselves into all do tell to be someone else because we hate ourselves," suggest a sense of peer pressure and the desire to fit in with societal expectations. The use of the word "box" implies a restriction of individuality and the suppression of one's true self.

The second verse delves deeper into this theme as the lyrics describe the pressure to conform through the use of the pronoun "we" and the suspicion that comes with those who may attempt to break away from societal norms. The line, "Grab so hard, you left the bruise" indicates the pain and force that conformity can cause. The chorus provides a hint of a desire for change within oneself, but it is unclear what this change would be, as the following lines describe confusion and uncertainty.

The line "I wanted to see the same, I wanted what you became" speaks to the pressure to fit in and follow the same path as others. The desire to "interpolate" suggests an attempt to fit in with others, possibly at the cost of one's own individuality. However, the closing lines of the song hint at a realization and understanding of the self and the time wasted conforming to societal norms.

Overall, the lyrics of "Coming Back" highlight the struggle to balance conformity with individuality and the confusion and self-hatred that can come with it.

Line by Line Meaning

Where you're down
In situations where you feel low

They will follow
Others will try to follow a similar path or join you

We can box ourselves into
We can constrain ourselves within our own confines

All do tell to be
Everyone puts up a facade of pretending to be someone else

Someone else because we hate ourselves
We do this because we don't accept ourselves for who we truly are

If they fall
If those facade people fail

We suspect you
We feel suspicious of them

Grab so hard
Clinging on too tight

You left the bruise
Their actions left us with a scar

Spinning around
Confused and disoriented

I forget why I'm in it
We lose sight of our purpose

What was I thinking
We realize that our previous thoughts/actions were irrational or not well thought through

I wanted to see the same
Wishing to be identical to someone else

I wanted what you became
Wanting what others have achieved from their efforts

You want me to interpolate
Others expect us to integrate themselves into their lifestyle

I need to rearrange
We feel the necessity to alter/modify our current situation

Coming back to me
The realization of self-acceptance

It's just not a part I have seen
Perceiving this acceptance as foreign and new

Thought what I shouldn't be
Reflecting on misguided thoughts

Understand tonight I've got this all coming back to me
Realizing that the truth of self-acceptance is finally coming to light

Understated time I've wasted all coming back to me
Recognizing the wasted time in life by not accepting oneself

Contributed by Alexis D. Suggest a correction in the comments below.

To comment on or correct specific content, highlight it

TRACKS

No Related Genres

More Genres

No Artists Found

More Artists Load All

No Albums Found

More Albums Load All

No Tracks Found

Genre not found

Artist not found

Album not found

Search results not found

Song not found

Most interesting comment from YouTube:

@itzahoax934

3y↑13

@@jpmc271 While the state may convey the private rights (jus privatum) associated with
tidelands, it may never convey the public rights (jus publicum), and the private
owner may never interfere with the public’s right to access tidal waterways and
their shores adjacent to their property. While the private owner does have the
right to use the conveyed property for the approved use, they must also be
aware of the special nature of the lands and the public trust rights bestowed
upon them.

Tidal as defined by NJ state code is:
Tidelands, also known as riparian lands, are all lands that are currently and formerly flowed by the mean high tide of a natural waterway. Barnegat Bay, a naturally tidal body of water, is an example of tidelands. However, New Creek, a tiny tidal stream that flowed through the city of Newark a century ago but has since been filled in and built over, is also an example of tidelands. New Jersey contains an extensive network of tidelands, both big and small.

Meaning if they are affected by Natrual tides, they are considered tidal waterways. You can see this clearly with the debris along the waterway indicating there is a high tide.

All comments from YouTube:

@1Rod1ReelFishing

3y↑1.2K

WHO WAS RIGHT HERE??? Me or the male Karen?!

That’s it for the NJ revenge tour my fellow anglers! Look out for some juicy bass content coming up from my home waters 🎣😎

@Imperium760

3y↑60

You

@ElonMoist

3y↑306

you don't get to say shit when youre on his property lol, lucky yall didn't eat any lead.

@thetroutfisherman69

3y↑227

@@ElonMoist Thats a good way to go to jail.

@roselynnhodder7224

3y↑31

You for sure

495 More Replies...

@jeff61177

3y↑3.7K

Call the warden immediately anytime you run into a guy like this.

@agawied2910

3y↑184

For real he would have been humbled VERY quickly

@agawied2910

3y↑167

@Emmanuel Goldstein I’m also willing to bet you don’t own property so you don’t even know what it’s like to find people on your land. Treat people like pricks and it will come full swing..

@geodude6244

3y↑41

I ignore them act as they they don't exist

@loveydove5477

3y↑66

My best friend Is a warden and I remember going on a fishing trip with him and meeting a fella just as deranged 😂

385 More Replies...

@camoonoon

48w↑129

It shocks me how hostile people can get in the middle of nowhere, where no one can hear their cries for help when they mess with the wrong person.

@robertkwalz

41w↑4

They always assume they are the 'wrong person.'

@themadpaddler9043

41w↑12

Yep. Lots of places to leave his body where nobody will find it.

@camoonoon

41w↑10

@@themadpaddler9043 I'm not familiar with US laws, but in Canada, it's illegal to harass anglers, hunters and other outdoorsman.

@khg8519

40w

cool wrote mine then seen yours

@joshuamcclendon6972

38w↑2

right, they get used to the privelege of protection to disrespect

11 More Replies...

@thetongueandcheek5495

2y↑326

It’s truly a shame that kids can’t even fish in peace anymore. Kudos to you dudes for being cool and respectful 👍

@scottgriffiths326

2y↑9

He would rather have you play ,play station fishing games . What a sad sad guy . He should of encourage it

@MichaelMosesHammer

1y↑5

That's right!

@drc1883

1y↑9

Not cool to trespass.

@raytrammell9452

1y↑2

Yes, and you would be the first to sue the guy if your kids were hurt on his property

@bowsmythe

1y↑2

It's funny you say that until I was 17 or 18, I never got in trouble for fishing on someones property

10 More Replies...

@andrewpace2267

1y↑81

You handled that calmer than I would have. Here in Nova Scotia nobody can own any part of a river.

@vernhanna4399

1y↑6

In Oklahoma where I am a person can own the land under the water but not the water, so if floating in a boat your ok if wading in the water where touching the land under the water you can be trespassing, crazy huh ?

@Stonehorn

46w↑1

Its the same all over Canada.

Some rivers have special leases, which im against, but it doesn’t prevent you from being on the water, just fishing on it.

NB here.

@allswellinendwell6957

43w

It's not true in New Jersey. There are several private rivers, and often the river is owned to the thalweg. But the water and the fish? They are the peoples of NJ's and you can't claim ownership of that. There's a few private fishing clubs on the Black River and Raritan that come to mind. This is partly a result of private property being owned before NJ was a state, a tradition from Dutch and English common law, as title on many properties can be traced back to Dutch or English colonial times.

@johnseals4900

41w↑1

Most states have the landowners owning the land but no one can own the water.
We used to do this about every full moon in the mountains. We would came in a State or Federal land then when the full moon came out for the night we would raft and fish down the creek down to more State land. Get picked up by one of that didn't fish and we'd do it all night
😅😅

@chrisstuefen2386

41w

Here in Ohio you can own the land under the water if you own both sides but don't own the water top... And if there is a different owner on both sides of the river then it's mutual between owners to the bank. Very stupid here in Ohio!

8 More Replies...

@namelesswalaby

2y↑118

This is the problem with so many interactions. Someone gets angry and doesn’t want to back down even though they are wrong. You handled it well.

@tammychilds4816

46w↑28

This is old post, but have to comment. That guy was a crazy, entitled, control freak, that was 100% dangerous. The type of person who with one wrong word he feels is wrong will go unhinged! You guys where right and handed it amazingly! Glad you lived to post the video.

@1Rod1ReelFishing

46w↑2

Appreciate it! I agree he went too far for a minor situation 🤦‍♂️

@chrisfoxwell4128

43w↑8

You mean entitled to his property? And likely had to deal with countless numbers of people trespassing. He handled like he was fed up with doing it, and especially fed up doing with douchebags that give him attitude while being completely wrong.

@chrisfoxwell4128

43w↑4

@@1Rod1ReelFishing, how do you not understand that it's not your situation to call minor? It's his situation that he keeps having to deal with.

@chrisfoxwell4128

39w↑1

@pilgrimwings1295 , definitely. I'm sure he couldn't imagine his name being plastered all over YouTube and becoming the focus for any number of unhinged whackjobs. Also, how would his name have helped them know if where they were standing was his property? It was likely someone's property and they didn't seem to have spoken to anyone about using the property.

5 More Replies...

@glenludwig9676

2y↑836

I’m 66 years old and I am very impressed with the way you dealt with that goon. Very polite and respectful. You did nothing wrong and he was the disrespectful one.

@chadillac365

2y↑24

Ted Turner. But no ones owns rivers or oceans etc. if it is a land locked pond and they own all the land around it they own the water. I would make it a point to canoe or kayak fish that dudes area weekly

@WiseWarriorsPath2

2y↑11

for sure. I own 80 acres of land and i got a border with a river right in the middle. I would not take kindly finding people right in the middle of my lot. I do own the are with the river with no separate lot coming off i, it is all one lot. I can see where the guy is coming from and technically he does own the river and it is trespassing. I also got dogs that may not treat the people nicely. If it was public land it would be different and the kids in this are saying it is. I would simply just show a map of my land and asking them to leave. I am like these kids, or was but now that I own land I would see where the guy is coming from if it was legit.

@rivermcratt3683

2y↑9

@@chadillac365 you seem to be a little unclear on riparian rights. It is actually entirely possible to own the river. It depends on the state, but most places you do actually own the land under the water. Yes, public water happens to flow through private property, but people accessing public water do not have a right to trespass onto private property and that includes hopping out of your boat and standing in the middle of the river on somebody's dirt. A lot of it has to do with mineral rights, you can't just kayak into somebody's private property and start panning for gold or fishing for gems, that riverbed belongs to the property owner and those minerals belong to the property owner. If the water is navigable, you may navigate to your heart's content in a craft, unassisted swimming is considered trespassing.

In the case of this video, these two jackasses parked their car at the gate to his private property, walked 4 miles up his private road, stood on his private beach and started fishing from his private property... They're lucky they didn't get shot.

81 More Replies...

@marksoliva2332

2y↑33

You handled this like a PRO. Much respect on how to de-escalate the situation and not stooping to his level.

@joex222

35w

They escalated the situation by acting all secretive. If you get caught trespassing onto someone's property it's probably best to show that person you are not there to do bad things.

@gundalfthelost1624

2y↑17

I know it's completely different but I got "attacked" by a similar man here in Sweden.
I live next to a lake, own fishing rights to that particular lake and once during a sunny summer night (midnight sun) I got approached by a very upset man who arrived around 01:30 in the morning. He said " HE KNEW THE F*CKING OWNERS" and told me he would call the police if I didn't leave.
Knowing I was fully in my right to fish there I called the police first.
They arrived in a cruiser after a while and the man spent a good 15 minutes ranting some made up story about how I "illegally fish and abuse the nature" around that lake.
Then the police turned to me... Showed them my ID, pointed at my house literally next to us and proved my rights with some papers on my phone. The angry man who had been lingering in the background flipped out and called a bunch filthy names, one which would translate to "f*cking homo gypsy satanist c*nt"...
Police arrested HIM for various reason and I spent a good 30 minutes showing pics of pikes, perches and zanders I've cought in the lake to the leading officer. Turns out he was a massive fishing nut. Just like me. So that officer now fishes in my lake and that's justice to me.

This happened last year by the way.

@libertyjustice4847

1y↑1

Awesome!

@BasedRangerGal

33w

I do love a happy ending.

@romeorozeta6122

41w↑2

I'm proud of you guys. Stand your ground.

@spencerhowerton7627

2y↑38

Great job maintaining your cool. This is very easily settled. Call the warden and ask him what's what? I think you'll be surprised. You can actually do this even now! Show him where you were, how you got there and ask his advice? He's going to be happy you asked. And hopefully you guys can go back to that sweet spot. Maintain your polite demeanor while you tell the guy to kiss off if he comes at you with the same nasty attitude. There are laws in each state about harassing hunters/anglers - taking of game. No idea where you are, but I'll bet he'd get a ticket!

@gabrielford3473

44w↑1

When he threatened to call law enforcement, my first thought was to say "please, lets"! I'd rather get them involved than deal with the absolutely unreasonable and aggressive attitude of this guy without.

@datacipher

20w

There’s no way they were going to do that. They’re trespassing and they know it. At 35 seconds in you can even see the bottom of a no trespassing sign they’re standing right beside.

@dbotanist2079

46w↑3

You’re such an amazing person, you handled this situation the best way anyone could , he’s just a retired grumpy old guy with nothing better to do , he’s been waiting for that moment

@tannerchristensen9174

2y↑472

I had this happen to me a couple yrs ago. I kept the guy talking while my buddy called the warden. Long story short the Warden showed up checked our fishing licenses and gave the guy a fine and explained that he would be arrested if he came back. The DNR does not mess around when it comes to hunter/fisher harassment.

@MLCAgaming

2y↑29

except in this case they would have been cited for trespassing, look at 36 seconds the no trespassing sign they walk right by lol

@keithcraft6697

2y↑25

You can fish the rivers that run through private property but you must be in a boat or wading in the stream.

@keithcraft6697

2y↑26

Nomen Clature thats an assumption. i looked it up in federal game and fisheries. Regardless if the land under is in the deed it doesn't matter. its a public accessible river. Land owners hands are tied when it comes to public access. Anglers cannot cross private property to the body of water but from upstream or downstream it is lawful and the anglers have every right to do that. Wading in and walking on the rocks beside the stream are permissible by law. This guy is just aggravated because the anglers are fishing his favorite fishing hole. Nothing he or the boys can do about it inside of the law granted to anglers or recreational activities.

@keithcraft6697

2y↑16

Nomen Clature no, i didnt look up the wrong law. As long as uou enter the stream from a public access there is nothing the land owner can do. You can float and fish through private property and you can wade the stream up to the high water mark. Look up supreme court ruling HB141. And you will have your answer to your belief.

@keithcraft6697

2y↑8

Nomen Claturejust because you think something should be this way or that doesn't make it that way. I done the research on it. You should too. Ignorance of the law is where you are and your acting and looking stupid by not doing it. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself. Let me help you get started Supreme Court ruling HB141.

61 More Replies...

@dominicvasquez6469

2y↑13

Good on you guys. Props to Skye for not allowing that dude to push him around, and to you for being calm.

@canceled1111

2y↑23

I'm sorry I would have had a hard time handling this guy in a calm manner 🤣🤣🤣

@quattovallor71

35w↑3

I’ve this happen to me and my friends.
The guy argued until the Sheriff showed up.
Apparently he sold his house in a big city, and bought some land around a popular fishing spot.
The Real Estate Agent told him he “owned” half the river.
The Sheriff calmly explained easement rights and we fished away.

@corail53

35w↑1

Most issues would be easily resolved if property owners actually read their deeds and property lines. So many just buy and assume.

@troymd2009

2y↑21

The longer I watch the angrier I get. This guy is such a jerk. I remember old guys like that I occasionally ran into growing up. They really don’t need to act like this.

@bixby9797

They are bitter and angry that their lives didn't turn out the way they wanted.

@dewaynedonaldson2486

Then don't trespass and he won't act this way

@wertz987

47w

I love the entitlement of the younger generations cracking on supposed old people 😂

@fearm424

43w

@@wertz987 lmao getting pressed over some guys fishing? get over it you only got a few more years left anyways. This guy was complete bullshit. "I got my boys up there" yeah right LOL that had me rolling

@Dubya9W9

42w

@@fearm424 except they were trespassing, but wtf do you know..not like you own anything

1 More Replies...

@geroidmartin7946

1y↑2

I'm amazed that you guys talked to him that long. I'd pay the fine, if you actually did something wrong. I would not give him any information. Nor, would I walk anywhere with him.

@bubbles894

3y↑1.3K

Buddy was definitely trying to save his “secret spot”

@andrewgio1

3y↑26

buddy def owns that land and his pissed some punk youtubes is tresspassing on his property

@g34r96

3y↑76

@@andrewgio1 0:36 theres a no trespassing sign on the tree.... im really dissapointed that mikes lying for click bait...

@damikey18

3y↑22

@@g34r96Lmao the guy that sign on the tree to keep people away from the lake so he can have it all by himself😒

63 More Replies...

@larisajeffrey2312

2y↑30

This old man was nothing short of a bully…thank you for not being like him…he was assuming everything. Very entitled embarrassing old man who could have handled this so much better. Thank you for being as respectful as you were.

@naturalsettings7098

2y↑22

Depends on the state that you’re fishing. Here in NC, the river banks/beds can be owned privately. If the river is navigable by craft and doesn’t require intervention by human contact, it is open to public use, on the river only. The banks are private.

@lisarickman-wright8720

2y↑5

I lived in NC it's the high water mark.

@mariatorres9789

1y↑1

All rivers 15ft up the embankment, of anything navigateable by boat, ia a permanent fishing easement for all citizens, in every State.

@bixby9797

@@mariatorres9789 No, not in Vermont where I'm from. A couple of court cases about Game Wardens accessing private property to spy on the landowner set this right.

12 More Replies...

@kellybramm

41w

You guys are way too nice. That guy was recording you, yet you covered his face. You should let people see who the jerk is. We need to start pushing back to stop these people. He owns the river, he thinks, so people should bow down to him? I hope someone with more balls comes along and teaches him a lesson.

@jedisdad2265

2y↑27

While a landowner in many states may own the banks of the stream or river based on the mean/average shoreline, they typically do not own the water.

In most cases if you enter the water from a public access and leave from a public access the land owners can’t stop anything.

@timesupgr.8471

You are correct NJ is a high water state. They were definitely below the mean high water mark. There was river sand where they were standing and no grass. Only after he kicked them out did they step on his property

@raynman67

41w

Not in Colorado, they don’t own the water but the land underneath, you can’t walk or wade but you can float as long as you don’t touch the bottom

@-justinhopkins-

39w

@@raynman67another reason Colorado sucks

@mathewpankratz5767

39w

That is being challenged in court right now so hopefully it’ll change

@kapwns

51w↑8

You guys should read up on trespassing law. Even if you actually were on private property you can't be arrested unless there was actual signage or notification it was private.
The most he could do is have police show up and tell you to leave, that's it.

@backyardbeekeeperguy9934

2y↑339

This guy was an ass! You were polite and told him the truth. Good for you for being the adult in this situation. Good job!

@rickb1387

2y↑3

Bad that you did not force him to call the police. He needs an education before he gets hurt.

@bonitamartin4954

2y↑5

A liar assumes that everyone else lies too! He was lying to you. Any navigable river is a public waterway.

@rivermcratt3683

2y↑1

@@bonitamartin4954 why can't you people understand the law? A navigable waterway is only public if you are on the water itself. You do not have a right to access private property along the bank. Do not have a right to hop over somebody's fence and use their private road to walk to their private property.
I dare you, I absolutely fucking dare you to go down to Mississippi and park your fucking boat on somebody's private boat launch. I dare you.
You can go down the river all you want, you may not set your feet on private property.

4 More Replies...

@johnmacklin4412

2y↑4

im just real glad to see teenage men take initiative to hike and fish! on the other hand many landowners have terrible problems with vandals and dumping so some paranoia is understandable.

@stevek1557

42w

He was probably cooking meth on his property.

@rh6625

2y↑3

This guys just won't let it go. They answered his questions politely, they didn't challenge him, they said they would leave, they said they wouldn't come back. Some people just want a confrontation.
Imagine if you were his kid and didn't put the shovel away. You would hear about it at your wedding reception.

@marfy3866

45w↑15

Great job de escalating that situation! You guys handled that like bosses!!

As for the this older gentleman, he's lucky these 2 guys were civil Otherwise, he could've ended up at the bottom of this river ☠

@Tonyw842

2y↑22

If that was my land and I “caught” a couple of young guys on it fishing, I’d offer you some chairs and snacks and wish you good luck with your fishing. Very nice respectful young men. So sad there are grumpy old men out there pissed off at the world. His poor wife and kids……..

@timesupgr.8471

2y↑1

I did some research on New Jersey riparian law. They weren’t on his land until he told them to leave. The state owns up to the median high water mark. If you look were they were standing, those boulders they were on are under water part of the year. He knew he doesn’t own the river bottom.
He’s just a rich jerk who has a hard on for control.

@jimtom4878

Then they can litter their snack wrappers

@jimtom4878

On your land lmao

@RobertF-cs7fx

1y↑2

Hi Guys,
Other people have probably said this.
The aggressive jerk may not own any land there and could have a screw lose.
He did not own as much land as he said if any at all.
I think you should have called his buff and let him call the authorities.
You did nothing wrong because the way you went to the river, you saw no signs!

@zgjfinance2796

3y↑326

This guy is insufferable; never been wrong once in his life

@davids7476

3y↑7

Thuufferin thuckatash totawy ithuffewable. Get real the man had every right to question people who encroached on his private property.

@stevenmcdonough7058

3y↑24

He does NOT own the river!

@patrickstoffregen4020

3y↑4

@@stevenmcdonough7058 they weren't in the river.

12 More Replies...

@danaelkins7089

2y↑4

This guy is a total Karen. He wouldn't let you get a word in and accused you of being hostile toward him. He acts like the Gestapo! He must have a very sad life! You guys handled that perfecrtly!

@LG-yy2up

2y↑7

You guys did nothing wrong. You acted accordingly, with respect and well manners. Keep being Respectful, you are an example to the rest of American youth👏

@datacipher

20w

Other than trespassing and lying yeah.. did nothing wrong lol. They’re standing right beside no trespassing sign, you can see the bottom of it 35 seconds in. What a bunch of dullards.. 😂😂😂

@lelandquinliven629

Man that guy needs a wake up call! You guys definitely handled that better than I would have.. that guy and his dog would be swimming home..

@danbarrette9888

You two guys are the best. That won’t be the only time in your life that you run into an a hole. Keep having fun in life

@thomaslutz4528

46w

Idk how so many youtubers handle these situations so calmy. The entire time he's talking i'd be contemplating which side of jaw to make contact with regardless of whose property it is.

@daviddonovan4368

3y↑410

I’m a 57 year old, old fart. You guys seem sincere and well-spoken. It’s too bad you were treated that way. I wish you well.

@kathyinwonderlandl.a.8934

You’re young

@tonysolorio8491

3y↑2

57 years young

@kathyinwonderlandl.a.8934

2y↑2

@@latetodagame1892 you must be old fart JR.😂😂🤣😅😂🤣

@kathyinwonderlandl.a.8934

2y↑6

@@latetodagame1892 Karen Jr. that’s you!

16 More Replies...

@rp6879

2y↑2

I only got one thing to say guys you were not in the wrong! He was lying to you and he probably wanted to keep all the trout to himself. Not only that he's a coward and cowards get dealt with!

@davidbuckingham9677

2y↑3

Next time you’re in that type of situation and a man is that aggressive, just don’t engage him. Walk away, and don’t answer questions. Nobody has the right to ask you for identification. You may have been on his property, but it could have been solved with just a little TLC. No matter what he says, he doesn’t get to ID you. Good for you for keeping a cool head, but don’t let anyone intimidate you

@jasonjunior2232

1y↑2

It truly depends on the state you live in . Washington state says you own the river bed not the river your able to wade and fish legally just have to be in the water. Oregon state says you own only to the permanent vegetation so if it changed by way of high water it's public

@doublej5907

2y↑8

I love how land owners think they own the water and everything around it. I would have said go call the cops.

@billhurst7932

2y↑1

Yup, call the cops and when you find out that you were right invite all of your friends out there the next weekend.

@StevenKeery

1y↑36

Take a map with you next time, mark off your route on it. If he shows up again, call in the map co-ordinates to the warden, to verify who owns the land.

@shaunpadgham6947

1y↑1

Post location on your Phone. GPS.

@kenelskenels8573

3y↑229

Wow, a 4 mile walk (8 miles round trip) to get to that destination. Only to find this guy? You handled it better than I would've.

@anthonyharper8161

2y↑3

Exactly.

@Billy420-69

2y↑14

@@rivermcratt3683 You should learn what right of way is before you wind up in prison. You would probably be better off in there.

@Billy420-69

2y↑4

@@RIVERSIDEREVIEWS That means you can't go into the woods, you can still walk up the river.

68 More Replies...

@moneyman5430

1y↑2

You both showed extreme patience with that guy, he was extremely condescending in his approach.

@pestlund

2y↑1

you guys are excellent and deescalating a situation

@jasonmpd2946

41w

I've never used it, but folks speak highly of the OnX mapping app for seeing private versus public land.

Also, most states have "mean high water mark" type verbiage in their laws about where private property begins and ends along rivers which are state waters.

I will add his point about imposed liability (even if not intended) when non-permitted people are on private property is real. You get hurt on his property and your health insurance company would go after him. Even if he never knew you were on the property.

@bibilopez849

2y↑2

Seeing Skye’s innocent face I would let them fish in my property 🎣

@boobercatalano9469

42w

You were totally in the right, first thing is if he asks you to leave and you do he has no legal grounds to do anything other than that. I personally would have handled it differently, but I’m an old school guy. He was disrespectful and out of line.

@WyattWillis26

3y↑646

He had to have been trying to hide his “secret” fishing spot.😂

@anasqayyumftv9258

3y↑3

Lol

@1Rod1ReelFishing

3y↑98

To be fair that dude was on the juice 🐟🎣🤫

@Adamthehobobutt

3y↑19

His old ass wouldn’t be able to scale that wall though 😂🧐

@jcty87

3y↑1

Lol

@Nik-gh6gz

3y↑19

@@1Rod1ReelFishing should blow his spot now

33 More Replies...

@mitchellmontesano8769

Not for nothing guys but I'm 62 and I've come across several guys like that guy. I've always gotten my way with them by being respectful and understanding of their issue with people coming onto their property. After introducing myself and apologizing to them I've always been allowed to fish on their property whenever I wanted. Trust me, there's a buttload of people out in these rural areas that own a staggering amount of property including parts of river systems so be careful. Most of these people are super cool as well.

@Godsey.

1y↑1

Man this is why I'm glad i know German, anytime I run into people like this, speaking a foreign language works 100% of the time, I was speaking German and the 2 lady's kinda awkwardly walked away

@kevinmulligan9055

1y↑1

Here in Scotland we have right to roam laws stamped into law. You can walk through anyone's land, you can camp for a night in anyone's land as well. The only stipulation is that you must be a few meters away from a house and you can't camp in a closed field with animals. Some landlords try to abuse or miss informed hikers ect with no camping signs or such nonsense but most are well versed in their rights.

@VigilanceTech

1y↑4

Depending on what state you're in, but AFAIK it's true in pretty much all of them, the river bottoms up to the high water mark, is all public land you can fish or boat. Also, you have the right to access the water so it means that if there's no clear path to the water for the public within site you can cross private land to get to the water.

Almost no private owners own the land under running water.

Also, if someone wants to arrest you when you're first discovered on their land they'd have to have a "NO TRESPASS" (not "NO TRESPASSING" because that only prohibits grazing of animals) and not "PRIVATE PROPERTY" (as that's a "thanks for sharing" message) every 50' around the perimeter of the property, especially if you don't fess up to which way you came in (because you could have come in in that one spot where he didn't have a sign).

You have NO duty to ID yourself nor even talk or recognize anyone coming up on you like that until he's established he's the owner. If he tries to stop you from leaving or gets belligerent with you you can arrest him for false imprisonment, false arrest, assault, battery (if he touches you), etc.... You have to tell him he's under "citizen's arrest" and then deliver him to the nearest available magistrate (usually a judge) for a "commitment hearing" where you swear out what he did and if the said magistrate finds it more likely than not a crime was committed and more likely than not the perp committed it, then he MUST set bail and it must proceed to trial, with the only way out is for the prosecutor to file a motion that there's not enough evidence to convict. I've not seen any provision in the actual law for "plea bargains" (which is technically committing felony extortion on the part of the prosecutors).

@mathewpankratz5767

39w

Most states will let you wade in the water, but most have rules for getting out of it. I’ve yet to see a state with a rule that allows you to cross private land to access a lake or pond that’s fully surrounded by private land. That’d be a very interesting new one to me. In Wisconsin, where I’ve done most of my fishing, we’re allowed to wade in any water, as long as it’s accessible without crossing private land, so starting at any public bridge, and are allowed to get out to go around obstructions up to the high water mark, but can’t fish while we’re out of the water. I can’t say I’ve never taken a cast when I’ve gotten out to go around but I’ve never had anyone cause a problem over it. I’ve talked to a lot of land owners over the years and most seem happy to see people enjoying the creeks that flow through their properties. I own something like 800’ along a creek that supposedly has trout in it, but Ive only seen smallies and occasionally gills in there. I’m building a bridge over it but I’m making sure it’s curved enough to allow fishermen easy walking underneath.

@MrKaido93

36w

I'm a retired LEO and you are incorrect with your false message on being allowed to enter private property to access a state public land or waterway. There is No such right! Anyone doing so can be subjected to arrest and charges of tresspassing etc.

Private Property rights under the 4th Amendment are the supreme law of the land. There is no lawful right to enter and traverse on private property!

@corail53

35w

@@mathewpankratz5767 Lakes can be privately owned - navigable rivers can't. Access has to be upstream/downstream from a public access point. High water mark includes dry riverbeds in most cases. so being on the bank is generally fine. Most property owners don't know the laws and don't realize they own less land or have less rights than they think they do. I have run into this with beaches - owners with beach front property thinking they own the beach as well when that is actually federal land.

@corail53

35w

@@MrKaido93 You might want to go read the laws.

@yes2day100

2y↑143

This man has a strange problem. He told them to get off his property, they said they would without challenging his claim, and that should have been the end of it. It shouldn't matter how they got there once they apologized and agreed to leave. You handled the situation brilliantly.

@soxpeewee

2y↑2

Tweaker

@aarodful

2y↑4

I was confused because I was like that was it? I couldn't have imagined the interaction went beyond that. Lol. Then it just does.

@timesupgr.8471

2y↑3

If you notice, they were in the floodplain of the river. State land extends to the median high water mark of the river. They were clearly below that. The river was pretty low. They could have stayed there and to him to pound sand.

8 More Replies...

@richardulrych4236

2y↑1

From what I saw, you legally accessed the stream, so he was wrong about that. He also had no right to demand you to ID. You were standing on his land. You were tresspassing. He does not own the water, but he owns the bank and the streambed from the bank to the deepest spot in the river (not the midpoint of the river, as he assumes). You accidentally tresspassed, since there were no signs indicating that state property ends and private property begins. I have done that myself numerous times. He should have understood that, but he prefferred to think you were lying. He could not imagine you walked as much as you did. Looking at him, two miles is his limit. You were respectful and reasonable. He was not.

@Uncle_Ruckus_

50w

7:09 look at that river and land. It's absurd to me how some guy can own all that for himself.

@artclass7449

31w

You guys rock. ❤

@jediiprincess213

45w↑1

He can't have you arrested. He can have you trespassed from it but he's the one playing games. You were polite. He was a freaking monster and you didn't have to tell him a darn thing. He threatened you with "his boys".

@Graemesbullys

3y↑2.1K

I own 3800 acres where I keep cattle, we have a lot of streams, creeks and ponds. Sometimes while out I will find someone (most always teenagers) fishing in the streams/creeks and I usually just walk over and say hi and ask if they caught anything. I tell them they are on my property and ask them to please not leave anything but have fun and good luck.

Now if there are 20 people on my property that would be a problem, if a lot of people are showing up every day that would also be a problem but a couple kids or young men out enjoying nature that accidentally came on the property is definitely not a problem and is a great thing that I am glad to see and encourage.

@shanechandler1655

3y↑191

As a land owner, that is probably the fastest way to 1. Make new friends. 2. Make New stewards Of the land. 3. Make people known to you by given permission, in Trade for being responsible for care of the land, with anew contact in your phone.
Please call to notify when you’ll be here, so I’ll know. If you find something wrong-call me.

@Graemesbullys

3y↑74

@@shanechandler1655 Mr. Chandler you are 100% correct and think just like I do.

@natekamaryt1802

3y↑14

Good man

@MattFosterGymnastics

3y↑10

Well put

@splonky1216

3y↑11

If you have that much land do you ever come across campers?

162 More Replies...

@williamwallace4358

2y↑4

I'm a life long fisherman, outdoors wilderness survival expert, & spend alotta time outdoors so I can say that unfortunately you run into people like him everywhere lol I see both parties perspective but hey if your just fishing 🎣,& not up to something, littering, etc,what the hell does it really matter? I'm a property owner myself & have run into folks on my land fishing & just said well good luck/fishing to yall. The land was here before us & will be here after all of us to so no use in arguing, fighting, making a big deal out of it etc. I have also been in you guys shoes & it's pretty crazy how people act &, conduct themselves in this world so all in all glad there was no harm done to anyone all ended ok.

@jimquantic

2y↑1

Maybe someone can answer this for me, with the ocean, someone (at least in CA where I live) HAS made an "easement" to get down, over, under or through as you may NOT block public access to the ocean; is there anything analogous for fresh water?

@gerdberg4188

41w↑1

You definitely need to talk to a game warden in your state and find out the real rules . Nh allows access as long as you are within the highest water mark .

@tomconnor2529

2y↑1

I’m pretty sure that although his deed ends in the middle of the river , if it’s a stocked public stream , he can’t run you off like that . A public stream is free to use up to the high water mark / bank .

@johnderbabian6198

38w↑1

In Michigan, as long as you stay in the river (you have the right to go up on the bank to avoid an obstacle), even with private property on both sides, you are completely legal.

@Paul-el4zd

37w

Same in Minnesota for most streams. Small creek you would have to get permission but a river this size as long as you stay within the bank you are go to go.

@itzahoax934

3y↑826

Interesting how he "owns" a publicly navigable waterway. I'll be visiting soon. You guys need to stop being so passive with these people.

@itzahoax934

3y↑64

@@gasoven3759 Thats a negative, if you knew anything about New Jersey laws you would know Public Trust Doctrine. Public Trust Doctrine insures Public access to all TIDAL waterways and Coastlines. This means, as in clearly visible in that video, that the waterway in question is influenced by tides, Therefore under New Jersey law they reserve such waterways for PUBLIC ACCESS AND RIGHT OF TRAVEL.

If you have the address for that waterway it would be even easier, as the GIS survey will indicate if it is public access or not. Whatever dumbfuckery you think happens when you "touch the bottom of the waterway" is actually hilarious and has no basis in law. From an actual Lawyer.

And another thing, one also has the freedom to travel next to such waterways as there must always be a public easement or right of way to provide safe passage, regardless of if that easement or right of way is on private property adjacent to publicly navigable roads or waterways. One does not need to "float" on such waterway to travel, one can walk adjacent to it lawfully, as this provides safe passage for individuals who may not be able to swim. And as one states, if they are free to go they are free to stay.

@jpmc271

3y↑9

@@itzahoax934 this is does not look tidal. Tidal new jersey is unlikely to have that sort of scenery. I could be wrong however.

Also that "dumbfuckery" you speak so elequently about is known As king's Grant. And is very common east of the Mississippi. I'm not sure if new jersey is a Kings Grant state, but here in Virginia, exactly what that gentleman wrote is quite possible. Look up John's Creek access. Not only is the land under the water often included in a deed and enforceable by law, but in some cases the water running across/through is by right the landowners and even if these boys were sitting in a boat, they could be trespassing.

@itzahoax934

3y↑13

@jpmc271

3y↑4

@@itzahoax934 I think we're in agreement. My thinking is this is not a tidal waterway. The debris you speak of could be tidal, I'll take a closer look, thought it appeared to me to be nothing more than a high-water area caused by varied flows either from a dam or natural leveling changes.

Virginia has similar rules for Chesapeake watershed areas, though in many cases the land owner still owns rights to the low water mark such as for duck hunting crabbing etc.

@itzahoax934

3y↑17

@@jpmc271 A lot of homeowners in NJ believe they own the waterways behind or adjacent to their property but 99% of the time its a grant on the title. Usually passed down from previous owners in order to build docks etc around the area. But its still owned by the state and considered Public Property, just granted to them for specific use.

Also some get a bit confused and think "tidal waterways" are only beaches. But like I said above if they have the address I can pull the GIS records and confirm. If I'm incorrect then thats that, but the one guy was spurting ignorance.

edit: Also even if changes were made to the waterway, such as additions of levies or dams are still considered tidal lands. Hence the inclusion of "currently or formerly flowed by mean high tide of a natural waterway". Meaning unless that man or previous property owners built that river/creek from the ground up or it is not connected to another natural waterway, either currently or in the past. Then and only then is it private property.

88 More Replies...

@cameronbrann9912

52w↑2

I deal with this so much. I’m a commercial clam harvester. Water access is my lively hood. 1. No one owns to the middle of the river. It’s to the high water mark, fresh or salt. 2 in a position like this call the wardens. Supposed owner has a attitude, make the call for him. 3 you can also legally access water by walking down any creek or body of water 3” or deeper. 4 you can walk down property boundaries

@robertkelleher1850

52w↑1

I was with you until #4. Be careful of property boundaries. You can't be "on" a boundary. You're either in our out, and if you're a hair over the line, then you're in and technically trespassing.

@cameronbrann9912

51w

@@robertkelleher1850 depends on the state. State of maine u can access water via the fish fur and fowl law. You can also call the wardens and they will walk you a path down a boundary also.

@robertkelleher1850

51w

@@cameronbrann9912 that makes sense. I would suspect that there is either an easement or a right of way along the boundary. That wouldn’t necessarily be the case for all boundaries.

@unclebilloutdoors136

42w↑1

In Ohio, property owners own the land to the middle of a river or creek. You can be on the water in a boat, canoe, kayak, etc. But the minute you get out and step on the riverbed you could be tresspassing. Stupid law, but it is one.

@chefjohnson5687

That is a shame if I was that guy I’d be happy for y’all fishing as long as your responsible and don’t litter

@user-kp6sj5kw8y

32w

You generally cannot stand on privately owned land next to a river and fish but you can absolutely be in the river itself. Otherwise every kayak/canoe in history would be a "trespasser"

@lapislazarus8899

2y↑4

I love how Darren is threatening them (I'm paused at 4:58) with publicly available info. "I'm gonna take a picture of your license plate!"
Woah! Slow down there, Dirty Harry!🤣🤣

PS-- Even that guy's dogs are idiots. 😝

@PKAdventures

you guys did a very good job.
i personally would of been more like Skye, but i would of insisted on calling a game warden, because that guy was obviously full of crap. all he wanted was to "put some kids in their place" and it didn't matter that he was wrong. actually the fact that he was wrong probably made him push harder. for him it was all about pride, which is pathetic.
i personally would report him and show the footage to a game officer, because he is the one that needs to be taught a lesson. here in New Mexico it is only a misdemeanor to harass someone that is lawfully hunting, trapping, or fishing, but there is no leniency, and fish and game seem to take it pretty seriously. if that happened here, and you reported him, there is no doubt in my mind that he would be hit with a decent size fine, and lose any hunting, fishing, and trapping licenses he might have for at LEAST a year or 2. and that would really suck for him since those are definitely hunting dogs he had with him, and it would be a solid shot to his pointless pride.

i really hope you reported him.

also, you got my sub

@carollkeen5978

2y↑319

You sure handled that differently than I would have.

@markevans8977

2y↑8

Me too. Unfortunately I probably would have cussed the guy out !!

@glassontherocks

2y↑25

If that would have happened to me... it would have been too graphic for YouTube.

@carollkeen5978

@@chadillac365 Why thank you.

@SmossyYT

2y↑4

@@markevans8977 lol...... Strong words!!!!!

25 More Replies...

@itsneight1260

2y↑4

A male Karen is called a DAREN. And that guy was definitely a Daren. Daren is lucky neither one of you guys was carrying like I would have been.

@trrmbath97

2y↑1

It depends on the state. Some states you can float through but not touch rocks or structure, Other states you are ok bank to bank as long as you stay in the waterline, lots of variations I bet.

@jerryodom7358

25w

The sad thought is that a man like him would likely kill you and swear he didn’t even know you were on his property….

@ARbassfishing13

44w

Being too polite and complying to karens when theyre wrong just infuriates me

@Christoph.403

42w

At no point was that man with his DOG next to him ever scared LMAO 😂😂😂😂 I run into this where I am from in Canada as well…. People think they own the river if it runs through their land when really as long as you access the river or stream from public land you can fish the entire thing…. They don’t own the river here and I’m sure it’s the same there as well. Pretty sure you guys were in the right he just wants to scare people from fishing “his” river 😂😂 thanks for the video it was quite entertaining

@lemuriansoul

2y↑350

I don't believe he can actually "own" any part of the river. I own property that ends at a river, and I can not tell someone to stay out of the river. I've had many people fishing from my little river beach, I usually ask if they caught anything good, ask them to please not leave trash for me to pick up, and wish th good luck. IF he REALLY has a shooting range as he said, you would have heard it, I think he was full of bullshit. Probably some overgrown spoiled wealthy jerk, who was never taught respect.

@timothymallon

2y↑9

Actually, as I just mentioned in my own comments, you CAN possess parts of a river, through commercial river rights. Consider a marina or yacht club. They don't "own" the river, but having commercial river rights does allow you to put out docks, a marina etc. and have unwanted persons removed.

@Beeautifullifefarm

2y↑7

We have property that has a river that runs through it. We do caution people not to dock on the beaches, there are warning signs . We don't mind of someone is fishing , but my uncle has a very large pack of dogs that aren't too friendly and they will protect the live stock

@Beeautifullifefarm

2y↑4

Trees reflect and absorb sound , not to mention flowing water. What caliber is he shooting and which way is it facing all determine if you would hear it or not from a distance

@Fix_it_Phil

2y↑7

Is it respectful to trespass on someone else's land? I don't think so. If you do own land then you know how all this goes.

@TheRealCozy

2y↑6

False you own the river bed and banks

29 More Replies...

@chrisshoeman5287

34w

Dude was definitely being abrasive. He definitely can’t own the river but it prolly depends on state laws as far as easement goes if he does own the land that meets the river. I lived on the bayou in Louisiana and definitely considered the property all the way up to the bayou mine but never claimed the bayou! I mean my house was 70 yards from the bayou so different situation but not like the dudes house is on the river. He could’ve listened to y’all instead of doubting everything y’all said. If I had two kids in my backyard fishing being respectful like y’all no way I’d be telling them to leave.

@randallrevis7384

32w

I live in the western part of North Carolina and see this all the time where people will buy up property and think they can limit the use of the public lands around them.

@eric_schaaf

34w

This guy was quick to make it known that he had “boys” and “a crew” nearby. Big intimidator for some young C&R fishermen.

@billcooke4413

1y↑1

This was hard for me to watch just want to meet this guy more and more

@Dman85612

2y↑81

Call the Game warden if this happens next time . He was intimidating you even after you said you would leave for some reason , and the fact that he wouldn't go back with you to your car because he knew he was full of crap showed that . The bad thing about remote locations, you never know what sort of person you will run into . And remember remote also conceals criminality ; no telling what he actually did " up" there.

@paulzink2492

2y↑4

Ya exactly. It makes sense cause he go back with them to the car. I think the owner is up to no good. His story has holes in it.

@paulzink2492

2y↑1

I mean cause he wouldn't go back with them to the car.

@anthonylemkendorf3114

@@paulzink2492 his behavior wasn’t adding up.

@savethatbutterfly5445

Yup! Karen hiding dead bodie and he was showing the clear signs of METH addiction.

1 More Replies...

@jessicachernak8699

The house I grew up in was on the river, people were always cutting through our property for fishing, kayaking, bird watching or just rock skipping and walking the beach near the waterfall which was right in my backyard. People would often knock and ask permission and we never gave anyone an issue with cutting through as long as people were respectful of our property and didn't park right on the lawn, or block in our cars or leave trash etc. This looks like a navigable river and as long as you accessed it via public land and stayed within the high watermarks along the bank you should be in your rights to access it. If you ventured up onto the private property and away from the bank maybe but no reason to get so heated about two young men with fishing poles, if he really had an issue he should just call the warden to come down. I never understand the need for confrontation like this.

@kevinblanchard611

42w

Call the warden and file a complaint. He has no right to harass you like that.

@BryantHayward67

42w

So he lied when he said that he can have you arrested for simply being on his property. He can have you trespassed, if he asks you to leave. And if you refuse, then you could be arrested. But if you're willing to leave, and making every effort to leave, then he has no way he can have you arrested, unless he's trying to detain you, which is illegal (and kidnapping). But he was definitely being aggressive an borderline abusive in the beginning!

@anthonylemkendorf3114

2y↑3

The old man was deliberately trying to provoke you guys.
His behavior and demeanor is now permanently recorded in case he eventually hurts someone ( if he hasn’t already).

@corail53

35w

Sad that is how we might all end up as when older.

@deanalbertson7203

42w↑1

Unfortunate Lesson: don't go fishing. If you do, you can be harassed by people who don't want you there.

@erikrhafer6644

2y↑337

He owns everything, the road the land the river the air you breathe.

@DanielMcAteer

2y↑5

And the space, allllll the way up.

@robertcox9795

2y↑8

below the high water mark is federal property. he would have to have a specific easement.giving right to use . nobody owns under the river

@dcollier7239

Read my comment

@rivermcratt3683

2y↑1

@@dcollier7239 what comment?

25 More Replies...

@JonEnowhere

2y↑2

On Many…many…MANY rivers the high water line from the year before is considered public access. I’ve had this conversation with many of my neighbors: “Your in my back yard.” “I’m not.” “I’m calling the cops.” “Good for you.” Cops arrive, ask me to leave but tell me I’m within my rights to be there and then leave. That’s usually followed by people throwing rocks into the fishing hole or jumping in the water.

@banjohappy

24w

In NY, it's against the law to harass fishermen in this way. Take pix/vids of them doing it and present your case to the DEC.

@patrickoconnor1077

Handle yourselves well. Great job

@recordplayerz

24w

I hate people who feel they can keep you out of nature

@ddahstan6876

BS Karen. Never there's a limit with these types of people. I would have thrown rocks at him before I leave😜. You guys were too nice!!

@zarahofshiloh7537

33w

I remember when I was a child we had a bridge in our neighborhood and the neighbor would bother us and say it was his stream when we fished on the bridge or the opposite side of the road that was public domain. I think some creatures just like to be a thorn in peoples sides.

@extremeair1199

2y↑30

Super respectful young men you guys handled yourself extremely well!! Good job to your parents because teenagers simply don't act like this without parents proper upbringing.. God Bless you two and your parents!!

@truthmatters4ever570

Guys like this home owner give other home owners a bad name. This home owner just showed how ignorant and dumb he is. He doesn't own half of a public river. The danger of acting like he does is that he might piss someone else and he might get hurt. Cheers to you guys for keeping your cool. I would have told the guy go ahead and call the warden. The reason he didn't immediately call the warden because he could have been charged for harrasment and a threatening attitude.

@fishingwithbilly

They usually dont own the water however the shoreline you were walking on could be owned by them. It depends on state laws.

@GodWillRepay

45w↑1

Always have the number to your local game warden and call them when in doubt.

@Paul-el4zd

37w

It depends on the state laws. I don’t know what they are in New Jersey. Generally, speaking, depending on the state, a river that size would be considered public water ways as long as you stay with the banks. The first thing I do when visiting a new state, is find out what the laws are before you go fishing.