Talk
FACES.CULT Lyrics

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Fuck the shit talk
Imma quick draw
Knock his lips off
Pissed off
Rip his dick off
Now his hips soft
Shit talk
Fuck the shit talk

Imma quick draw
I been shit on
Not again folk
Not my kinfolk
Windows
Hitting windows
Make the screen fold
Ten four copy ten four
Since Nintendo
I been
Taking losses
Im going Loch Ness
Monster
Imma conquer
Noahs ark or
No ozarka
Im not no martyr
Fire starter
Tidal wave is coming
And this the warning
I cant- I cant- I cant- I cant
Fuck the shit talk
Imma quick draw
Knock his lips off
Pissed off
Rip his dick off
Now his hips soft
Shit talk
Fuck the shit talk
Imma quick draw
I might fuck around and knock a niggas lid off
Nauseous im getting nauseous
Proceed with caution
Niggas they be toxic
I gotta watch'em
Peeping they be scheming
They non believing
Get out the way and lemme get some cheese bitch
Fuck the shit talk
Imma quick draw
Knock his lips off
Pissed off
Rip his dick off
Now his hips soft shit talk
Fuck the shit talk
Imma quick draw
I might fuck around and knock a niggas lid off
Fuck the shit talk
Imma quick draw
Knock his lips off
Pissed off
Rip his dick off
Now his hips soft shit talk
Fuck the shit talk

Imma quick draw
I might fuck around and knock a niggas lid off

Overall Meaning

The song "Talk" by FACES.CULT is a powerful and aggressive rap track that speaks to the feeling of being tired of people talking behind your back and trying to bring you down. The lyrics begin with a clear message of defiance and anger towards those who engage in "shit talk," and the rapper makes it clear that he won't hesitate to use violence to put a stop to it. The line "Fuck the shit talk, I'ma quick draw" is a possible reference to the American Old West, where a "quick draw" was a skilled gunslinger who could quickly draw a pistol from their holster and fire it accurately.

The lyrics continue with more violent imagery, including the lines "Rip his dick off/Now his hips soft," which implies castration as a punishment for those who engage in "shit talk." The rapper also talks about being "shit on" and not wanting to experience that again, suggesting that the song might be a response to personal experiences of being bullied or harassed. The chorus repeats the message of the verses, with the rapper asserting that he's not afraid to use force to defend himself: "Fuck the shit talk/Imma quick draw/Knock his lips off/Pissed off/Rip his dick off/Now his hips soft."

Overall, "Talk" is a song that speaks to feelings of anger and frustration, with the rapper using violent language to illustrate the intensity of his emotions. At its core, though, the song is a rallying cry for anyone who's ever felt persecuted or belittled by others, urging them to stand up for themselves and not let "shit talk" go unchallenged.

Line by Line Meaning

Fuck the shit talk
I'm not going to listen to any negative or untrue comments.

Imma quick draw
I'm going to act fast and take control of the situation.

Knock his lips off
I will silence anyone who speaks badly about me or my loved ones.

Pissed off
I'm very angry and won't tolerate any more disrespect.

Rip his dick off
I will emasculate my enemies and take away their power.

Now his hips soft
I have successfully taken away my enemy's strength and influence over others.

Shit talk
I won't allow anyone to spread lies or rumors about me or my loved ones.

I been shit on
I have been mistreated or disrespected in the past.

Not again folk
I won't let myself be mistreated or disrespected again.

Not my kinfolk
I won't tolerate anyone disrespecting or harming my family or close friends.

Windows
I will break through any barriers or obstacles in my way.

Hitting windows
I am pushing past my limitations and taking bold actions.

Make the screen fold
I will leave a lasting impact on anyone who tries to oppose me.

Ten four copy ten four
I understand the situation and will proceed accordingly.

Since Nintendo
I've been dealing with challenges and setbacks since I was young.

I been taking losses
I've experienced failures and setbacks in the past.

Im going Loch Ness Monster
I am going to be a mysterious and legendary force to be reckoned with.

Imma conquer
I will triumph over any obstacle or challenge in my path.

Noahs ark or
I am prepared to face any disaster or catastrophe with resilience and strength.

No ozarka
I don't need any outside help or support to succeed.

Im not no martyr
I won't sacrifice myself for others or for a cause that doesn't benefit me.

Fire starter
I am a passionate and powerful force that can ignite change.

Tidal wave is coming
A big change or challenge is approaching.

And this the warning
I am alerting others to the coming danger or challenge.

I cant- I cant- I cant- I cant
I won't let fear or doubt stop me from achieving my goals.

I might fuck around and knock a niggas lid off
I am prepared to take drastic action to protect myself or my loved ones.

Nauseous im getting nauseous
The actions of others are making me feel sick and uncomfortable.

Proceed with caution
I will be careful and thoughtful in my actions to avoid harm or danger.

Niggas they be toxic
Some people in my life are causing harm or negativity to me or others.

I gotta watch'em
I need to be cautious around those who are causing harm or negativity.

Peeping they be scheming
Some people are actively trying to harm or sabotage me or my loved ones.

They non believing
Some people doubt my abilities or intentions, even if they are unfounded.

Get out the way and lemme get some cheese bitch
Those who stand in my way or try to harm me will be dealt with swiftly and harshly.

Lyrics © DistroKid
Written by: Bobby Warrior, Daunte Bright

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Comments from YouTube:

@rachelh9150

45w↑25

It has been almost 9 years since I walked away from my highly demanding religion. I had a dream about the leader TWO NIGHTS ago. Could not sleep the rest of the night. I think people underestimate the pain and confusion these groups inflict on the mind. I am glad the red flags are being broadcast more lately.

@sydneychristensen2058

1y↑151

First of all, congrats on this interview, this is huge!!! Second of all, wow there were so many amazing tidbits in here. From Keith telling them to avoid reading bad rhetoric about him for fear of it changing their perception of him, to the conversation on how cult leaders will teach you to gaslight yourself even when they're not there in front of you. People who've never been in a cult truly don't realize that you will make yourself believe anything if you really want to. That's how cults continue today even in the Information Age.

@CultstoConsciousness

1y↑4

Hi Sydney! Thank you so much! I love your favorite parts. 😁❤️

@delphinewartelle3105

51w↑15

Honestly, it's so similar as well to abusive and/or toxic relationships. I absolutely hate the question "why didn't you get out sooner?" Because I couldn't and he had trained me to gaslight myself to hell and back. I love that we are trying to destigmatize all this. Abuse is not the survivor's fault.

@katbos4995

49w

Yes! Mormon prophet and apostles (leaders) also tell you not to read anything bad about the church. The brainwashing is real, people don’t read bad stuff.

@cim6205

48w↑4

@@delphinewartelle3105 yes! I've heard it said that it's a cult of two.

@carrazosmexico

38w

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@kashesan

33w↑16

I felt sad for Nancy too-I think as a therapist she was repentant at the damage she caused. But the sentence was justified. I hope she can recover.

@emilyrln

34w↑14

"You can clean up your mess without feeling shitty about yourself."
This is something I'm continually working on!

@queenofwater8783

51w↑153

Glad to find your channel. I’m 64 now, but left the Seventh-Day Adventist Church at age 23. I was born a fifth-generation Adventist in 1959. Both sides of my family were in the church. I spent 13 years in their school system. There were three traumatic life events that opened my eyes and shook me loose, and then I spent the next two decades dog-paddling upstream out in the real world. It was frightening, dangerous, and the most exciting time in my life: I discovered true education, art, theatre, film, music, sex, food, and dancing! In my 40s, I came out of the nonbeliever closet and articulated my atheism. In my 50s, I experienced a spiritual transformation that has nothing to do with man-made religions. Thanks for doing what you’re doing.

@CultstoConsciousness

51w↑21

Hi! Welcome to C2C! So proud of you for finding your footing and happiness. Everything you discovered is the cream of life! 😁🙌

@tinyybiceps

47w↑5

That's great for you!!! I'm so proud

@anonymousone9699

44w↑13

People have not started really deconstructing the Adventist and Pentecost church cults. It’s just as wild and hurtful. I experienced sexual harassment and molestation in these churches too! Mom is Pentecost dad 7th day Adventist backgrounds. I’m still swimming upstream even though I left in my mid teens and I’m in my late 20s. Im just now learning the language of what I experienced that ultimately pushed me away. I just followed my feelings without really understanding what it is that I was feeling. I just knew I wasn’t comfortable. My parents still think I’m religious, so do my friends. My new life is just believing in a higher power that’s all about love and the journey of self betterment. If God exists in the way they present him as a vengeful cruel deity then I want nothing to do with him. If God exists as a loving, nurturing God and they want and respect our free will and authenticity, then I’m here for that. I just won’t go through church or man made religions to experience God.

@TOBDNCNG-Marygrace

37w↑2

Yes, SDA is a cult too. Have a degree in theology no less. My gender, female, meant I wasn't good enough to fulfill that role. LOL

Left the church after that, have slowly left. Now am 67 and a humanist. Many still bug me, but I walk on.

Loved my time in boarding school at Monterey Bay Academy. My mother was abusive and I had a lot of responsibility because I was the oldest of 8. They were Catholic before converting.

Glad I still have friendships from that time. Glad I left the religion.

@francinesanchez5402

37w↑3

“Spiritual transformation that has nothing to do with man made religion.” Love this!!

@DesertHomesteader

50w↑46

My daughter is going through the regret of ever buying into Mormonism right now. I can't even imagine the shame and regret of buying into a cult that is even more abusive towards its followers. I also broke from the church a few decades ago (I still supported my daughter when she wanted to be in it) but I don't feel really feel ashamed or guilty so much as feeling stupid for wasting so much time when I knew it was making me miserable.

@heathermilburn831

1y↑35

Great interview. I have never been in a cult but these types of interviews will help me be sure I never do. It can happen to anyone.

@lnogueiro1

48w↑35

Narcissists do the exact same thing on a personal level…

@wldncrzy1971

34w↑6

Cults are narcissistic abuse of many rather than one.

@lnogueiro1

34w↑1

@@wldncrzy1971 🙌

@cady__

30w↑4

Cults are designed by narcissists

@leahannewoods6170

1y↑40

This is also like the new age. New Age here is a big blanket description for lots of groups I was in. They mostly train you to think about what you did to pull in or attract the experiences you’re having over seeing the evil of a person doing bad things to you. I remember that it was a sign of immaturity to think someone did anything to you. We were taught to think what are we perceiving about ourselves that is negative or not true to magnify a negative thing to happen to you. It was all about owning everything that happens to us as a way to clear out false learned things we think about ourselves in order to eventually become truly sovereign.

@CultstoConsciousness

1y↑21

Yes, new age can get culty and harmful

@SpiceyKy

50w↑8

Sounds like Scientology. Interesting.

@aliciadeitner1860

44w↑12

It is easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they have been fooled - Mark Twain

@ZelphOntheShelf

1y↑37

Great interview Shelise! Loved hearing more of Sarah's perspective!

@CultstoConsciousness

1y↑3

Thanks guys! It was fun getting to know her more.

@Dre2Dee2

23w↑1

Im so glad she could cash in with tv interviews, youtube interviews, documentaries, and a book deal

For a second I almost believed she felt sorry but she was able to turn this into a career. YAY!

@kylablack8990

49w↑16

Wow! Seeing SO MANY parallels to Mormonism and Scientology! Thank you both for your involvement in helping people gain such a broader perspective!

@katbos4995

49w

And Mormon’s founder Joseph Smith being a “martyr,” the Masons killed him because of polygamy and stealing their Mason rites and creating a cult.

@greendragon4058

26w

I find so many parallels to so many things, so many religions so many cults it is so amazing to me to see this. I can see how somebody can get sucked into something like this

@LauraOttawa

1y↑22

You're both doing a great job raising awareness!

@CultstoConsciousness

1y↑2

Thank you Laura!

@Jaebee2626

1y↑15

Yes! So much darkness in places of “light” self-help/improvement.
In yoga world, Scientology, Lifehouse International….. so many cults.

Keep up the great work! ❤

@CultstoConsciousness

1y↑2

Thank you, Jae! 😊

@katbos4995

49w↑1

Mormonism too

@wldncrzy1971

34w

What is lighthouse international?

@martinbowman1993

1y↑11

There is a huge thing in self improvement that a person is never actually improved. That's because it's all about monetization of being stuck in the training mentality.

@tashenkas

51w↑16

You are such a good interviewer, Shelise. I've enjoyed listening and watching this, my first on your channel. You're humble, curious, respectful, vulnerable. I aspire to those qualities when I talk to people.
I've been following the nxivm story since the beginning, mainly because it hits so close to home because of the personal development aspect. It has made me realize that it doesn't happen to stupid or crazy people. Like you both pointed out, it can happen to anyone, especially ambitions people looking to better themselves, like myself. Humbling and eye-opening. Thank you!

@CultstoConsciousness

51w↑3

Oh thank you so much! That means a lot. I do my best 🥰 glad you enjoyed it!

@brlinds92

48w↑15

I love your videos/interviews. If you get a chance it would be interesting to see something about the Love has Won cult. They’re the ones that mummified their leader. Crazy

@wldncrzy1971

34w↑1

Omg I’ve not heard of that one! 😮

@anatta467

29w

they were just a group of drug addicts

@elinorlevy3853

21w

So happy to find this episode. Everytime I listen to C to C and A Little Bit Culty, I think when are these two going to get together?

@paigekutz8539

48w↑5

Just started following you and I've been following Sarah and nips pod for about a year. This is so exciting ❤ glad to see yall connect.

@ShinkanryuKenpo

50w↑4

Thank you for your content and talking with Mrs. Edmondson. This is a big issue in the martial arts community as well. Keep up the stellar work, and thank you again.

@lauragoodman7296

1y↑4

I really needed more to listen to at work and hadn't found a little bit culty yet- thanks! Love your show and I'm working through episodes

@CultstoConsciousness

1y↑2

Thank you! Oh yeah, they have a gold mine of good stuff!

@jenwrites8838

1y↑9

Great interview. Sarah made such interesting points and arguments. For example, I’ve heard so many people from so many high control groups dismiss negative and criminal allegations by simply saying, “that’s not my experience,” but as she describes she never experienced Hitler but she recognizes the evil.
I was also struck by her explanation of how the person claiming abuse gets labeled as the abuser, how damaging it is and how effective of a controlling technique. I have heard it before, maybe even from Sarah, but it really resonates here for me today as this time I felt a personal release. I think it might be because of where I am in my own healing journey, that I can feel that truth on a deeper level, but I say that to emphasize my appreciation for Sarah and Shelise and so many others constantly and consistently putting out content like this, exposing cults or high control group, the techniques used and most of all the brave stories of awakening, escaping and recovering. It is so important to see and hear stories from a variety of people from a variety of groups and to keep telling the stories on more and more channels and platforms, not only for new audiences but also for established viewers. I’m neither ex-NXIVM nor ex-Mormon, yet I and so many others benefit from your work, your willingness to repeat and also go deeper, so thank you both for sharing your stories.

@mjlcreativestitchworkshop7292

44w↑1

Thank you so much for sharing your story... my " cult" was my family,.. I just wanted to say that you and your fiancé will be great parents! ❤

@davidhutchinson5233

24w↑1

My heart went out to Lauren when I read her testimony. That bastard Raneire took her best child bearing years.

@lisaarnold1099

37w↑1

“The Garden Knome” is by far the best description of Keith Raniere I’ve ever heard! 😂 I have watched “The Vow” 3 times and every other documentary on Nxivm that’s been made. I find it absolutely fascinating. I’m not one of those people who thinks that I could never join a cult especially Nxivm. I absolutely could have. Being a part of something bigger than ourselves is human nature, especially if we feel like something is missing from our lives. That’s one of the things people look for in most cults. The fact that it wasn’t a religion and was a self improvement program would have been even more enticing for me. I understand what the draw towards Keith Raniere was. I could have easily joined if it were financially possible. That being said I’m glad it wasn’t. Sarah Edmondson is clearly intelligent, beautiful and talented as are the majority of the people who were a part of Nxivm primarily DOS. For the ones who are still supporting Raniere hopefully they will find their own paths to healing. I believe Nicki Clyne and Allison Mack have finally spoken out against Nxivm. Hopefully it’s sincere. This was another great episode Shelise. I appreciate your channel.

@Siobhan146

51w↑8

It was really wild reading her book, I grew up in the suburbs of Albany. I even lived in Knox Woods for 2 years and then around the corner from it for about 15. I had heard of them. They bought my favorite Italian restaurant when it closed down. Of course I didn't know everything that was going on there. But it was like oh yeah that's the weird cult that bought Romano's Restaurant.

@CultstoConsciousness

51w↑3

That last line 😂

@leahannewoods6170

1y↑12

It’s so much like Scientology. Both blame the victims for their own bad things that happen to them and teach them to see what they did to cause it. Also, both leaders think that they are geniuses that all other people should follow.

@CultstoConsciousness

1y↑4

Exactly!!

@miriamhavard7621

1y↑5

I've noticed that true geniuses never go around saying that they're geniuses. Nor do they have flunkies doing that them. 🤷

@GizzyDillespee

30w↑1

Also, the leaders of both groups seem to like to threaten people with their seamen

@nataliescott5594

1y↑5

I listened to Sarah's book as soon as I learned about Nxiem (sp?l. Loved hearing her story from her voice. This was a great interview, thanks Shelise!

@CultstoConsciousness

1y↑1

Thanks Natalie! Glad you enjoyed it! (Close, NXIVM)

@kristinewatson3702

1y↑6

I have to say I'm loving your channel. Just found you through A-Aron and you are a fantastic interviewer. I'm catching up.

@CultstoConsciousness

Wow, thank you! Welcome to C2C!

@tina0083

1y↑3

Sarah I love how honest and clear you are

@miraclenichols4332

50w↑1

Incredible story!! Hope you heal a bit more each day!!!

@johannaquinn3385

1y↑22

Thank you for sharing your story..
My boyfriend lived in Halfmoon NY.
We were sitting by the fire and I said come on thats crash that party.. NXIVM was having an event literally in his back yard.
Thank god my boyfriend said Absolutely Not..
Had no idea they were right there that close.. Till the news broke.. Crazy

@Tess-163

46w↑7

The first time I watched season 2 when Alison first met that barrel chested little dwarf KR I was stunned and it still haunts me when she said something to him about popping her cherry and he said oh my , I found his response very creepy and I believe he knew after that meeting that he could easily control her .

@YvonaLive4Love

52w↑4

Oh yay congratulations 🎉on getting this interview I love Sarah Edmonton she’s very talented I followed her story for years and both of you are very strong beautiful women thank you for sharing ur stories and for ALL U DO sending love from Canada 🇨🇦 ❤🫶🏼❤️🫶🏼❤️

@CultstoConsciousness

52w↑2

Thanks Yvona! I appreciate the support!

@YvonaLive4Love

52w↑1

@Cults to Consciousness thank u for ur ❤️ and ur response I had to edit my comment cuz I saw I left a word out once you do that the heart disappeared 🤨 that’s kinda weird lol 😂

@sidstovell2177

30w↑1

An interview of yours popped up in my feed, from my atheist list.
You are such a good interviewer; so articulate. And something I love about your speech, no inappropriate 'likes'.
Thank you. Wishing you much continuing success.

@CultstoConsciousness

30w

Thank you so much! That means a lot

@horsemadlanguagenerd453

45w↑2

Not that I’ve ever ever been in any kind of cult, but the bit at 17:09 about “projecting” and whatnot really struck a chord. I had some issues with my uni housemates this past year where we were initially all quite close (or so I believed) and I felt really at ease and like I had a really solid support system, and then they all just moved on without me and it really threw me for a loop because I’d suddenly lost everything. So then I went to counselling with a uni counsellor and she basically did this to me. Told me that other people were “allowed to do what they wanted even if I felt like they were ignoring me” that it was all a me problem that I’d suddenly been abandoned and was in crisis and was not getting any support from them. She literally told me to my face that it was my fault I felt this way (and I had confronted them about it and was literally ignored despite the fact that I’m as clearly greatly distressed while telling them about how I felt). Thankfully my mom and a good family friend were instrumental in helping me deconstruct that thought process and help me see that it’s BS and that my feelings were valid. I stopped seeing the counsellor because it was just damaging instead of being helpful as it was supposed to be and thankfully I’ve managed to leave those harmful relationships behind now too. It was honestly one of the most difficult times but it was then that I started to form true friendships that I hope will last through the years.
Thanks again C2C for the incredible content ❤

@thisbeem2714

41w

That sounds hard. I hope you are continuing to heal.

@horsemadlanguagenerd453

41w

@@thisbeem2714 thank you very much. It still hurts to remember what happened, but I am doing much better and hopefully I can use it to build better, longer-lasting relationships in the future.

@thisbeem2714

41w

@@horsemadlanguagenerd453 Me too. In my experience the healing journey is a long one, but we are strong and can see it through.

@sailing1stwatch

49w↑4

This is hard for me. It wasn't a public f*** up. It was she got a conscience and tried to fix it. She left many women and men scarred with trauma for years. A f*** up is a mistake. Not this. I can say this because I had a trafficker. She was a cute woman from Scotland. Brought many women in to the organization until it was shut down by the feds. Operating as an energy working business that gave sexual blessing. It was big business.

@allisonharranmua8193

30w↑3

When I was little I was not treated well by other children because I'm autistic and in the time that I grew up, people really didn't talk about autism. It wasn't a known thing. I remember coming home every day crying about how the other kids would bully me and my mom would literally say things like "well, if the popular kids are being mean to you then you must be doing something to provoke them. Maybe your behavior embarrassed them or maybe you were being weird again". Obviously as an adult I get that my mom was being awful and that my only likely crime against the bitchy girls was being neurodivergent but the anti victim mentality thing really hit home and made me remember that. I think that narsasistic abuse is actually a huge part of cult culture. My mom didn't lead a cult but she is a malignant narcissist who uses Jesus as a weapon and my dad is a covert narcissist that uses alcohol as a lifeline, I think cults use narsasistic abuse on a larger scale that touches a larger amount of people but I think if you look into most cult leaders past you will find that they were abusing people in this way on a smaller scale before their rise to cult leader status. Narsasisim, sociopathy and psychopathy seem to be the cult leader starter pack and loneliness and low self esteem seems to be the formula for cult membership.

@sidstovell2177

30w↑1

I feel for you. Hope your future is bright.

@allisonharranmua8193

19w

@sidstovell2177 I have a great life now, I went no contact with my shitty family after I got married and focused on my husband's family. My mother in law could apply for sainthood and get it no question, and my father in law is a really good and kind man. They both treat me like the daughter they never had (all boys). Fate always gives you what you need. My in-laws are the parents I wish I had growing up, but I'm glad my husband had them instead, because they raised the perfect man for me. I couldn't imagine my life without having the privilege of loving him with my entire soul, and the shit I went through when I was young made me who I am. When you are forged in Phoenix fire, you rise from the ashes a little less breakable each time. I might as well be made of titanium and that has served me well.

@user-eb6kv7sy5u

1y↑2

I love this channel ❤ so well done. Thanks so much for educating.

@CultstoConsciousness

1y↑1

Glad you enjoy it!

@zenamorgan1754

23w

I have been a fan of yours and also a big fan of watching the HBO movie Nexium and I’m curious would you ever interview Bonnie, Mark Vincenti’s wife. I’ve always wanted to know what was it about her that made her realize very quickly that she was in a cult.

@CultstoConsciousness

23w

Yes! We have asked Bonnie and after Mark’s interview, he said that she is considering it but mostly trying to keep some distance from it all. Which is understandable.

@stevensonrf

42w↑1

Another interesting interview. But in my humble opinion, I think that a lot of the former cult members also need to take some personal responsibility and ownership for what happened with them in nexium?

@matthiaspearce5150

43w↑1

When they talked about how there are in fact false allegations made by people claiming to be victims, I felt like I needed to interject that yes they happen, but on average, out of all allegations, 8% of them were found to be completely false

@DawnDavidson

39w

But there is also the concept of DARVO: Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender. That’s a common tool of the narcissist and/or abuser to take the pressure off themselves and confuse others issues and their victims/s. I think a lot of what they were talking about here, not really about the “false r*pe accusations” for instance.

@donnaritch9704

51w↑1

Thanks to both these special loving and wise women. I am a fan.

@CultstoConsciousness

51w

Thanks, Donna!! Happy to have you here 😁

@Haghenveien

21w

I used to be in this academy that prepares to become a civil servant in my Country. I wasn't happy with service provided and I had been quite vocal about it. The thing, it's that they made this motivational video. And at certain moment, the person started talking about instead of searching for what was wrong with our preparation outside, we should look inside. That maybe, the problem was within us and we were blaming others. I know he was saying that mainly because of me. Thankfully I saw through that bullshit, but it could have gone otherwise. Actually in other moments, it went otherwise. Anyways, It reminds me a lot of what Sarah says about "if you don't like someone maybe the problem is in you".

What's interesting about this kind of manipulation is there are situations where this kind of "advices" would apply. For example, if you don't like someone because they're from a different race. Sure, that's a you problem. But that's sort of an exception. But because, those exceptions exists, they make you doubt yourself. And there's of course nothing wrong with a little bit of old good introspection, and cuestioning ourselves, but how that can be twisted into something so perverse...It's scary.

@NightGuardianAngel

42w↑2

This is definitely a good video. The most common myth about a dangerous cult that many people believe is that all dangerous cults are religious or associated with a religion. The truth is a cult can be religious or non-religious, and it can actually be a criminal business or a criminal corporation, and it can disguise itself even as a self-help program, wellness program or classes, a professional or career development or counseling program or seminar, rehabilitation programs (such as to overcome alcohol or drug addiction), etc. The red flags to look for is characteristics according to the BITE model. To be honest, cults are not always in compounds or even churches and can even exist and blend in in a regular office building. Also, before signing up for anything, it is always best to do your research about the organization and read past reviews about it on many different third-party sites and sources not owned or controlled by the organization.

If the program leader acts in an authoritarian way and tries to get you to ignore your gut feelings and discourage you from critical thinking, if they try to separate you from your family or loved ones, if they have secret societies, if you notice any unusual behavior (such as women kissing the founder, etc, which is definitely not appropriate for a legitimate professional or self-help environment, if they try to control you and demand you give them colleterial or something that will damage your reputation to make sure you fulfill your "oath" or do not leave, try to cut you off from the outside world and discourage outside information, if the staff and the leader tells you that they are infallible, etc, then these are definitely red flags that this is an evil organization and that means it is time to get out and not join. Your gut feeling and your natural instincts are your best friends that you should always listen to.

This is advice to save people from becoming a victim of very sick and dangerous cults like NXIVM. Legitimate self-help classes should never involve secret societies, sashes, branding, beatings, kissing the founder or staff or any advances, giving information that is damaging to yourself or your family, etc.

@GizzyDillespee

30w

Sometimes they invoke the alleged practices of ancient "mystery schools", as a justification for the secrecy and segregation. Another excuse is that their knowledge would be dangerous if you're not properly initiated... either that you'd misunderstand, or that it's actually physically dangerous. There are all kinds of dodges that these leaders use to explain the observation that they're acting like paranoid control freaks, rather than like Jesus or Buddha.

@ladypamela8269

44w

Thank you both for this one.

@504CreoleCrystal

43w↑4

14:43 And here I am confused the whole time I was watching the documentary about 1) why would he choose to name this cult after heartburn and GERD medicine and 2) how he didn’t get sued by Astra Zeneca for at least copyright infringement 🤔

@Crystalblue58

50w↑2

There is no shortcut to greatness.

@Avievan91

1y↑2

These women who were at the top tier should be held accountable , why Sarah wasn’t charged with anything is beyond me !

@anushajn8156

1y↑7

Sarah wasn't at the top tier of dos. She was in the second line and left pretty soon after she was branded so she didn't recruit anyone and nobody else got hurt or into dos because of her. There's no crime there.

@brooke_reiverrose2949

1y↑5

@@anushajn8156she did recruit some people into DOS, but told them right away when she figured out how messed up it was

@glennkelley6096

1y↑1

The true believers, denying his guilt,blaming the FBI and the women.But if your blaming others the fault is in yourself.

@JS-TO

34w

I agree with Sarah, the history of the Mexican community needs to be explore. Journalist Roberta Garza, who lives in New York City, wrote a great book: "Marcame, amo". She provides a unique perspective since she herself belongs to the Mexican upper class and knows about cult culture in Mexico.

@janesmith9024

52w

Very good. Shelise should be on TV as so good. I often wonder why I never got into a cult (I have a sibling who briefly was one of the orange people etc but not in US - (Wild wild country - sannyasins). I htink it's because I always felt quite good, whole, happy, no deficiencies to fix and not going to pay money to someone else, whereas my sibling who at a leading UK university was lured into her group by her university therapist (!!!) , you can imagine what our parents thought of that, although she did graduate extremely well so the education was not compromised. She was homesick at university (I wasn't) and unhappy. So I suppose it comes down to that - they target the vulnerable or those who think they are not whole or can be made better. Therefore perhaps I am protected for having too high an option of myself (laughing as I type). Keep up the good work. I loved the Vow too. I remember in the late 60s when I was very very very small watching a black and white TV documentary showing L Ron Hubbard with my psychiatrist father - even then he and I were interested in cults and what makes people do certain things.

@danihawkinspreissler8017

50w↑1

First, I wanna say that I love your channel. It's super interesting. I've watched quite a few of your videos already. This was the first one where I didn't understand the cult at all though. I feel like there was not a lot of background or it wasn't explained well as an overview. I had to Google and watch another YouTube video to try to learn the basics.

@CultstoConsciousness

50w↑5

Thank you for sharing that! We are actually going to be interviewing Mark Vicente who was one of the first to leave. The one who recruited Sarah. We will do better at explaining in his episode.

@slartibartfast1268

43w↑1

Paying $2700 for the 5 day class should have been the first red flag it seems to me. But once you've paid the money it's easy to see how that encourages you to stick it out for the whole 5 days, even when red flags are going off the first day. And that contributes to the entrapment, right?

@smiller8846

32w↑1

Keith definitely pulled a lot from scientology as well.

@jodiatkinson8349

1y↑2

Great interview. I love Sarah and Nippy and their podcast too.

@CultstoConsciousness

1y↑1

Thanks Jodi! They are awesome

@scherzva

@Cults to Consciousness thanks for this episode. I started listening to Sarah and Nippy during lockdown.

I love that you bring other Podcasters/YouTubers that I listen to.

@trinaf.4422

47w↑1

Interesting to hear an insider perspective on this.

I'm from the Albany area in upstate New York. I remember the insane press coverage, and hearing the horrific stories coming out of the case.

Have no idea why upstate New York produces all these weird religious groups (like Jehovah's Witnesses, Nexium, and even the LDS church..) I guess we're odd like that here. 😉

Love this podcast (I'm also a costumer..)

@DawnDavidson

39w↑1

I had a similar thought when I learned that the Falun Dafa / Falun Gong people (the ones behind the Shen Yun dance shows) also are in Upstate NY. Also the Mormons as you mentioned, and the Oneida cult (who ended up making some lovely flatware!), and the Shakers (who made furniture)…. What the F is in the land or the water in upstate New York that leads to all these cults?? Makes me glad that I moved away from Rochester when I was a teenager! LOL

@trinaf.4422

39w

@@DawnDavidson I chalk it up to New York State having A LOT of space, and not much to do, besides farming. It's also easier to build religious communities in the vast amount of space, and the education level is iffy in some of the smaller towns.

Plus, in the Shakers and Joseph Smith's time, the Rochester area was still considered the frontier. Why not start a religion? Nobody will bother you for the most part.

Upstate is also famous for Jehovah's Witnesses being formed here.

@GizzyDillespee

30w

Rochester, hey? Book of Mormon always seemed like the type of epic tales a sailor would tell, rather than it having some mill town folklore as its basis. That's interesting. Rochester🤣. California also seems to generate cults... not sure what the impetus is, or if it's correlation. Maybe places with bored upper middle class youth. IDK, tho.

@UdoADHD

51w↑5

@3:44 YEP! This is my NUMBER ONE PET PEEVE of Kieth and his supporters. They are making Kieth a victim. Literally refer to him as a VICTIM! Even though one of the biggest tenants of their “teachings” is that you’re never a victim and you are always “at cause”. It makes my brain wanna blow up when I hear them whining

@CultstoConsciousness

51w↑2

Saaaame

@superstormday993

26w

Excellent conversation!!!

@tommyodeed6928

33w↑1

Halfway through this episode and I still don't know what god damn thing about this cult

@sqectre

50w↑4

This is a great interview, but just for a little constructive criticism it's a bit hard to follow if you're not familiar with the cult or subjects. I've heard of the cult but only really the name and the connection to an actress that I think got arrested? The conversation just kinda jumps in referring to people on a first name basis, not context added to who they are, what the cult was about, when it was active, or anything like that. Just kinda assuming we're all familiar with the background details.

If that's intentional and you're trying to reach people who are already moderately informed then of course feel free to ignore this. But I'm about 20 minutes in and I don't really know what the cult did or how big it was or anything.

Even just a quick two or three minute intro would help ground me in the conversation and what activities are being referenced, etc.

@Andyfab99

34w↑1

The fact that she didn't go to jail would chap my ass if I was one of the persons she recruited and is serving time in prison. Maybe she'll help those who get out of prison get back on their feet again. Maybe she can help pay to get the branding removed from their pubic area?

@jdwrink

1y↑6

Hey you asked for suggestions for interview subjects. I have one, but don’t laugh.

He might be impossible to get, but I think Prince Harry would be a good interview. I read his recent memoir Spare, and his experience is remarkably similar to cult survivor stories. Also, he talked about using psychedelics for healing himself. I kept thinking as I read the book how his story is so fitting with your show’s subject matter.

@CultstoConsciousness

1y↑5

Hi! Two things. 1. I love that you believe in me enough to get Prince Harry to do an interview with me! Lol 2. I love that you thought about my channel while reading his book! I’ll have to check it out.

@olliefischer

51w↑2

if you do read the book and find any interesting parallels to cult experiences, maybe you could do a book review? prolly easier than getting a hold of prince harry lol

@JoSpring

51w↑3

Scientology also teaches that victims "pull it in". Victim blaming is common in cults.

@merriferrell2818

29w

So does A Course in Miracles and Laws of Attraction

@JoSpring

29w

@@merriferrell2818 indeed I worked for Hay House who publishes all these people. I've never been in a bigger nest of Narcissists in my life.

@rooheath

Fantastic interview!

@CultstoConsciousness

1y↑1

Thank you, Ruth!

@liadhainsmith

40w↑3

I've always had empathy for cult victims, and my brother and I always questioned the propaganda and approach of our Church of England primary school.

But I have been in two abusive relationships, well three. But one was the most severe and it is the same tactics, the same terrifying torture psychologically and otherwise.
The charm, charisma... the narcissists

I am 10 years+ on and still deconditioning myself. I cannot imagine going through what you have

So much love to you all!

@CultstoConsciousness

40w

Thank you for sharing. Wishing you well on your healing journey ❤️

@AJGabriel

37w

Sarah is funny as hell lol

@terikubinkova

1y↑1

Great interview!

@CultstoConsciousness

Thank you Tereza!

@docmychedelic9153

37w

I’m still mostly just listening but you’re not wrong about both your beautiful faces being worth the look.

@ricey23

42w↑3

bit of a hot take, but I don't give a shit if people feel guilty and shine a light on what they did, they were complicit in this and deserve no forgiveness.

@megvoss3329

49w↑4

Sarah and Catherine Oxenberg. Catherine took it very public as part of savings her daughter.

@itsyagirljessssss

1y↑6

Holy cow, clicked the second I saw the title, this is huge!

@CultstoConsciousness

Thanks Jessica! First one to comment. 💅🏻Hope you enjoyed it!

@samiam3297

51w

Beyond HUGE!!! EPICAL EVEN!!!
🙂👍 Most excellent interview! & im only 5 mins in.

@CultstoConsciousness

51w

Hi Sam! Welcome!

@rhondadearborn3265

1y↑8

Perhaps try to reach out to Aaron of Growing Up in Scientology or ....Mike Ridner - he may be available as he is promoting his new book (which I'm reading). Another set of folks could be Growing up in Polygamy, Sam and Melissa!

@LenaOn_Me

51w↑3

The eyebrows 😂 No that’s real! Every time I’ve seen things that seem petty but bothered me turned out to be actually big red flags. That’s a female spiritual super power. 🙌🏽

@CultstoConsciousness

51w↑1

Right?! lol

@marksandsmith6778

1y↑1

Thank you everyone involved because I have been saying
N 14 M for a long time

@christinadiguilio4172

40w

You should talk with Sadie Carpenter and Garviel Harkonen from the Leaving Eden Podcast. She talks about the Independent Baptist Church and how damaging and cult like their beliefs are.

@CultstoConsciousness

40w

Thanks for the suggestion! I’ll look into it!

@TOBDNCNG-Marygrace

37w

Fascinating interview.

@jaclynrichmond1049

50w↑1

Have you ever had a mainstream, evangelical Christian who has deconstructed, and recognizes it as a cult?

@too_tired_for_this

45w

I didn’t even know there was a season 2!!

@elizabethslayton3534

51w↑4

Would you interview Amanda Grant from the polygamous cult "the order"?

@7jandi7

49w

The biggest issue is the cults use legitimate good psychology, and mix it with perverse twisted concepts. 2- anyone under 25 does not yet have the part of their brain that understands cause-and-effect and many other important aspects developed. Humans with trauma often stop emotional Development at the age of trauma and are easily manipulated but sociopathic narcissistic types of personalities. It's like teaching someone there first semester of psychology, and then using it against them for nefarious reasons before the person truly understand the depth of the psychology. people long to be tribal and deeply desire leadership. Unfortunately there is zero good solid leadership in the world right now so these cults are growing rapidly

@CultstoConsciousness

49w↑1

This is such a great comment! Love the analysis!

@maroonblue7064

47w

So you're saying no one should participate in education, work, athletics, social experiences until 25. We live in an industrialized nation where decisions are always made by compromise to a varying degree. If everyone overnight decided to sit around the house and do psychedelics, it would only be a matter of time until foreign bombs would drop from the sky. We'd be a Banana Republic with no working internet.

Most people in organized religion and in general aren't predisposed to narcissistic tendencies, so they're good at filtering out clutter, and adding balance by accepting productive truth in their lives whether personal, family, social and/or professional experiences.

@maroonblue7064

47w

@Cults to Consciousness President Nelson is retired world renowned surgeon. He performed one of the first open heart surgeries in the 1950's. He's smart, educated and has lived a life of service to others (regardless if you agree with the intention of his works). Tell me something, when did he have an 'opportunity' to find out if he's a narcissist. A remedial psychological term that the most unproductive people in social media can define.

@7jandi7

47w↑2

@@maroonblue7064 no one suggested anything you mentioned. Participating in life activities has absolutely nothing to do with what my comment is about. It's a fact that the brain does not develop fully until after 25. This makes humans very susceptible to brainwash and also choices /behavior that they may not participate in at an age and awareness of the many consequences. How can you truly make choices when you don't grasp "consequence" fully?

@maroonblue7064

47w

@7jandi7 Everyone has different physical and mental genetics mixed with environmental influence, so it's not 25 yrs on the day, rather an age range in the 20's. Also, brainwashing isn't as powerful as the term implies. Look how many claim an upbringing of brainwashing and then 'snap out' of the haze and have a fresh start with additional strength from comparison to a prior failed life experience.

It's too bad we'll never conclude certain self claimed victims of brainwashing are disingenuous, selfish and unethical people because we'll always be distracted with their pre-20's life and the never-ending sympathy their experience attracts.

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@oleeb

1y↑12

Too bad Joseph Smith wasn’t able to video his every word! It would be easy to take down Mormonism then.

@CultstoConsciousness

1y↑6

Haha seriously though. However, they DID keep immaculate journals and records back then. Which are also no bueno

@katbos4995

49w

@Cults to Consciousness My brother was doing his PhD in the locked LDS church library, found the truth in the pioneer journals, he approached 3 GAs about it (2 were apostles), because the “truth” that the church teaches is different than those journals. They told him to stop asking questions or be excommunicated.

@trevanon7450

1y↑2

Excellent episode again! And I really like the thumbnail (or whatever the pic YT shows is called - Dutch guy here).

@CultstoConsciousness

1y↑3

Thanks, Trev! Jonathan always does a great job with the thumbnails

@katiempojer

25w↑1

I need to rewatch the vow

@natb9919

51w↑14

She said "talking shit about someone is an act of violence" . This and other things she mentioned sounds like another very popular modern cult that is thriving right now. The problem is no one's realised it's a cult yet because there isn't one specific leader but it's definitely a cult and in 20 years or so people will see that.

@JNB520

51w↑2

What is it? Let us know, it could help you never know ❤

@natb9919

51w↑5

@JNB To be fair people are calling it a cult now, thankfully. It's the only people today who say words are violence. The ones that gaslight the hell out of anyone who has even slight concerns about their ideology and call you hyperbolic names for questioning them. The ones who deny the existence of anyone who makes it out of their cult and decides to speak out but also harasses them for speaking out. It's the trans cult. And I don't mean every single trans person, I specifically mean the cult ideology around it that even most level-headed trans people do not agree with. Also they recruit through social media via brainwashing. It has all the hallmarks of a cult except for the sole leader, instead there are many leading this cult and it has completely taken over western society.

@JNB520

51w↑4

@Nat B I gotcha and I know exactly what you mean & agree with you

@kayden8093

50w

you are actually delusional if you believe that a "trans cult" exists.... kinda expected more from a fan of this channel....

@figmentoffairies

46w

@Nat B are you saying being trans is a cult?

@brooke_reiverrose2949

1y↑3

I really think Sarah, Nippy and Mark are all way too confident in their convictions, and wish they’d learn to be a bit more humble in their opinions. Sarah and Nippy are so determined to find good from their experience that they still promote harmful beliefs (such as being anti “victim mentality”) and refuse to listen to people who point out the red flags. They speak very confidently but not wisely and though I have immense respect for their whistle-blowing, I still see a lot of hubris in them and sometimes wish they did not have the platform they now have.

@lynnemartin3765

39w↑1

I thought I was the only one who felt that way. Thank you

@kellyalves756

51w

“Put down the cigar” Ok, help me out, people, who is she shading? 😁

@DawnDavidson

39w

I am pretty sure she’s saying not to pretend you are Sigmund Freud (he famously smoked cigars). If you don’t have proper training, don’t be trying to lead self-help workshops.

@Dmasterd20

22w

She honestly should have went to jail too. I don't believe her at all

@rhondadearborn3265

1y↑2

Wow! You are kicking buttttttt

@CultstoConsciousness

1y↑1

🥰🥳🙏 doing my best!

@josephmorgan3058

45w↑1

Just when i thought Texas Paul was the only brain in Texas these dqys. Thank gods for the next generation of the TN Justins and Frost and Moscovitch in FL.

@THE-id1by

46w

Don't demonize but own your portion.

@shallnot6043

46w

I don't know, a lot of times I see lesser mortals bitching about what those in the higher echelons about pulled off

@lolas185

51w↑6

she should be in jail too

@KaliPhantom

50w↑2

I agree, any one else think it’s weird that she was laughing so much when describing some of the abuse that took place???? This was wild af wtf?

@janellejandreau9256

49w↑3

Mark Vicente too.

@DawnDavidson

39w

@@KaliPhantomit’s a pretty normal reaction to tension, actually. I’d also guess that she now realizes how stupid it all sounds, and she feels some embarrassment at not realizing how ridiculous it all was much sooner.

@user-gj4ez6qj2z

49w↑1

It's like corporate dungeons and dragons nerds

@KayLeeHoward-vc2ph

25w

Why does joining a cult sound like how narcissists get people too lol oof and very like thinking there god like I could see my ex making a cult

@richardhutchinson6425

49w↑2

Y isn't she in jail then??

@terrahmama

48w↑3

Hey Sarah...you didn’t get me.

@rebeccat9389

31w

Anyone who tells you they are that smart - is not that smart and you shouldn’t believe them.

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