The Mary Jane Girls were an American R&B, soul, funk and disco group formed… Read Full Bio ↴The Mary Jane Girls were an American R&B, soul, funk and disco group formed in Los Angeles, California. The group's primary lineup consisted of Joanne 'JoJo' McDuffy, Kimberly 'Maxi' Wuletich, Candice 'Candi' Ghant, and Cheryl 'Cheri Wells' Bailey. Bailey eventually left the group and was replaced by Yvette 'Corvette' Marine, who stayed on until the group's dissolution in 1987. They are known for their 1980s hits "All Night Long", "Candy Man", and "In My House".

The project first began in 1979 as a solo project for Joanne McDuffy, backup vocalist for singer and producer Rick James, whom she had supported on several tours. James developed tracks with McDuffy and session vocalists the Water Sisters, creating the "Mary Jane Girls" sound. Motown offered James a contract for what it believed was the girl group he wanted to produce; not wanting to lose the deal, James lied and told Motown that the Mary Jane Girls were a group and not McDuffy's solo project. Rick got whoever he could to provide photographs to Motown. McDuffy continued to sing lead and background with the Water Sisters for all Mary Jane Girl recordings and the band sang for the group with McDuffy on tour. It is commonly believed, though not confirmed, that the group was so named due to Rick James' affinity for marijuana; a common alternate term for the substance is "Mary Jane."

Their self-titled debut album, Mary Jane Girls was released in 1983, reaching #56 on the Billboard 200, and #6 in the Top Hip-Hop/R&B charts. The album's four singles, "Candy Man", "All Night Long", "Boys" and "Jealousy" all charted. In 1985, their sophomore effort, Only Four You, was released; the single "In My House" became the group's biggest single, reaching #7 on the Billboard 200. Shortly before the release of the album, Bailey left the group and was replaced by Marine.

The only song recorded by the Mary Jane Girls not composed by Rick James was "Walk Like a Man". A cover version of the famous song by The Four Seasons featured on the soundtrack for the film A Fine Mess, this turned out to be the Mary Jane Girls' last single, reaching #41 on the Billboard 2000. In the meantime, Rick James had a falling out with Motown, eventually resulting in the dissolution of the Mary Jane Girls in 1987.

Sweet Little Mystery
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John Martyn Just that sweet little mystery that breaks my heart Just th…
John Martyn & Danny Thompson Just that sweet little mystery that breaks my heart Just tha…
Marti Pellow (Graeme Clark/Tommy Cunningham/John Martyn/Neil Mitchell/ Va…
Wet Wet Wet Baby baby baby, yeah Western Union man Send me a…
Wet Wet Wet/Wren Orchestra of London Baby baby baby, yeah Western Union man Send me a…

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All Night Long Hey, baby Would you meet me on the roof tonight I got…
All night long{Huslers Convention Remix) Hey, baby Would you meet me on the roof tonight I got…

Boys BOYS ARE YOUNG BOYS ARE OLD MOST MEN ACT LIKE BOYS IM…
Break It Up Up, up, up I can break it up Up, up I can break…
Candy Man When I wake up in the mornin' You bring me breakfast…
Girlfriend May be silly for me to feel this way about…
I Betcha Baby, I betcha if I want to Betcha if I want…
In My House Well you can just believe I'm the only girl in…
Jealousy Jealousy Jealousy Jealousy Just look at me Can't you see t…
Leather Queen Let me be your leather queen tonight Let me be tour…
On The Inside Nothing hurts worse than a heart in pain And there's nothing…
Shadow Lover I've been sleeping alone Holding close my pillow tight Hopin…
Walk Like A Man Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh Walk, walk, walk,…
Wild And Crazy Love [Wild and crazy love] [Wild and crazy love] [Wild and crazy …
You Are My Heaven Tonight I’m gonna touch the sky with you And let your…

You On My Mind Tonight, I'm gonna touch the sky with you And let your…

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Comments from YouTube:

@elisamcgowan4774

9w↑1

Lord, I was born a bred in London, and am fascinated by unsolved murders, like Jack the Ripper for example, but you have dissected Mary Jane Kelly's life VERY well. Thank you for uploading.

@357lockdown

2y↑23

That poor girl. No one deserves what she got.

@MMorbid

2y↑3

I know, it’s heartbreaking. Thank you for watching.

@MrEvilTurkey

2y↑2

@@MMorbid I like the theory that it wasnt Mary Kelly who died. A neighbour claimed she had seen her after she should have been dead. There was no way to tell after the mutilation of the face.

@MMorbid

2y↑4

@@MrEvilTurkey we’ll never know, especially since we don’t even know who she actually was. Thanks for watching!

@siofra3819

46w↑1

We don't know much about her because she was Irish. Irish records are awful at that time and mary jane kelly is an extremely common name. We know that she is definitely an Irish immigrant. She was known as fair mary for her beauty. And dark Mary, because she was quiet when sober, but when she was drunk she was loud and sing Irish songs. The landlord did confirm that she got letters from Ireland. She was Irish. Irish women are different not uncommon for Irish women to travel to London. No proof she was well educated. She moved from Ireland at 10 and died 25. It is said She had a definite Irish accent. So I doubt know where you get that from

@Karen-yr3fb

25w

@@MMorbid There was 2 witnesses at least who saw her between 8 and10 in the morning and wearing the same clothes that were folded up on the chair by one account.
In a murder enquiry things like that shouldn't be just skipped over and ignored,and also in people's research into the case just because it doesn't suit the author's theory.

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@mickeyTX.

39w↑4

Great presentation.. !!Thank you for bravely singing her song, such a nice tribute to her..I loved it!!

@angelakimbrell1214

1y↑4

You have an exquisite voice and sang that song in the old way. Thank you for singing it made the telling of this story so much more real. 😢

@PaulJames-uz5yl

1y↑8

i visited all the graves of the Ripper victims during the summer last year, it felt strange standing there at each grave knowing the horrific death they each encountered...but as you say, Mary Jane Kelly's death was the most brutal of them all. As i live not far from London i have done a few Jack The Ripper tours around the East End.....the legend of JR still fascinates generations of people, and i guess it always will. Keep up the great content on your channel 🙂

@jamescorlett5272

42w↑5

R I P Mary Kelly and All who could not find peace in life .

@sharonhubbard2035

10w↑1

Thank you for your lovely singing. It was like being at that time in history

@jillgross6232

42w↑4

I've loved this series as you are the first on YouTube to humanize the victims. Most just call them prostitutes, rather they were or not. Throwing everyone into one catagory.
Their stories are unique to them, they chose at the time to live in Jack The Rippers killing field. Not probably by their wishes. I feel they were all desperate for home and family, but Victorian England was a rough Era to live in with strict social barriers. 😮
Makes you wonder how these woman survived as long as they did? We are somewhat that way today when we see homeless people. We have been told they chose their circumstances. I don't think that's true. Yet society does nothing to make a change. This story highlighted for me that things haven't changed very much!!!
Wonderful job. I have only been subscribed a day or two, but your channel is fascinating. 😊😊😊

@MMorbid

42w

Welcome aboard. I’m glad you are enjoying my channel. I liked doing this series. I no longer view this case as I used to. It’s almost impossible to when you see the victims as people. It stinks whoever did this never paid for their crimes.

@clmoss83

2y↑4

I saw this on my recommended videos and was so excited! "Score! I've been waiting for this one!" Also, the thought of Victorian dirty dancing... lol

@MMorbid

2y↑1

Lol, yeah, we probably wouldn’t think it was that dirty. OMG, you can see her ankles! (Blush)

@Mochiette

2y↑7

What happened to Mary Jane Kelly was beyond fucked up. Rest in peace, Mary Jane Kelly.

@MMorbid

2y↑1

Yes, even 133 years later it was still horrifying to read about.

@davidmarsden192

Excellent video! It's nice to hear the backstories of these ladies, and learn about their lives before their tragic ends.

@thelastminmom5251

2y↑4

I like this. I listened to you as I worked from home. You have a relaxing voice to me. and of course, I love the topic. 👍🏼

@MMorbid

Thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoyed it.

@richardtofts4977

1y↑2

What a fantastic video. This one obviously meant a lot to you. The emotion in your voice in the final summing up section is quite contagious, and I found myself welling up.
Much as I would like to see the identity of The Ripper discovered, part of me would love to know the real ' Mary' even more.
She really was quite lovely, and I agree, you can see that from the photo , in the little spaces between his gruesome handiwork.
Thankyou.

@MMorbid

1y↑1

I agree with you so much, I would much rather know her identity than the killer. With DNA I think we realistically could get that answer if the precise location of her grave was known. I think that’s the problem, there’s uncertainty about that. I believe permissions were obtained to exhume her but it would have required disturbing other graves so is unlikely to ever be done. Thank you so much!

@beverleydeeming4427

1y↑3

Wow, what a great singing voice you have. That song really brought the story to life. I've enjoying watching this series and will have to browse your other videos for something to watch/listen to whilst I paint (I'm an artist and yes, art supplies are a never ending expense). Cheers

@WhyX11

2y↑2

I love all your details :) Thank you!

@MMorbid

Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed it!

@sophiegilbert6381

2y↑2

Excellent work. Much appreciated.

@MMorbid

Thank you!

@sharoncarr7963

27w↑1

I saw the photo of the last victim, omg, why . I couldn't sleep for a few nights after that. That poor woman, RIP 😢

@mathewlawton8944

Thank you for posting keep up the good work.

@MMorbid

Thank you for watching!

@gregboyden564

2y↑4

a sad story, but thanks for adding so much detail about her whole life. by the way, you singing is very good!

@MMorbid

Thank you so much!

@kidofflint8812

@@MMorbid can you do a video on the Kent state victims

@MMorbid

2y↑1

@@kidofflint8812 that is a fabulous idea. Thank you for the suggestion. I will try to make that a reality.

@kidofflint8812

@@MMorbid np but also thank you for showing Jack the ripper’s victims as human beings tragically female victims don’t really get that attention especially during the Victorian era

@zekeedwards7904

26w↑1

I cannot possibly understand how someone could dehumanise another person in such a sadistic manner, a pathetic coward of a man

@davidmeir9348

1y↑2

What was done to her, even 135 years later is still shocking.

With all the horror movies and many documented stories of known serial killers, especially since the 70's.
Even with all that, I've never seen such extended and brutal mutilations on a murder victim.

@MMorbid

1y↑1

I haven’t either, and I watch a lot of true crime. Whoever did this HAD to have been killed or incarcerated. They absolutely would not have stopped. Thanks for watching.

@cherylsmith4826

Amazing how much information there is about their lives. Wonderful research

@dhawkins78412

2y↑1

Thank you for your series. I didn't know that much about the women and now I do. I plan to buy the book at some point. And yes, loved your singing; added to the video nicely.

@MMorbid

Thank you so much, I’m glad you enjoyed it.

@MrEvilTurkey

The book, what book?

@dhawkins78412

@@MrEvilTurkey She mentions a book in her series of the women. Can’t remember the name if it right now.

@WadeKing-dm2hw

28w↑1

Admirable that you honor each one of the victims and not the killer. Because many were prostitutes they were not considered that important. Like today, much more attention is given to a victim who's family who had money.

@Mr.56Goldtop

13w

A very nice presentation for the lovely Mary Jane Kelly. There were some other very similar murders a little later on, could easily have been saucy Jack at work again with his sharp knife.

@kimberlydavis7097

1y↑5

My heart aches for her. It is the most injustice for families who claim to love you or if you were brought into the world by their playing around. No one deserved that jus based upon your sex. Much love and prayers for her. We never die.

@anthonycrowley2778

I loved the song I could picture singing it. Brought home her frame of mind and the fact that there was no radio to click on

@mindystufflestreet5558

47w↑1

Dear Madam Morbid, where did you find the 3 photos of what you think is Mary Jane Kelly? Is that really her? The first picture looks like her from her side view like the drawing of Mary standing next to her lodging room in the newspaper.

@MMorbid

47w↑3

Just a Google search. Artists did them from the crime scene photos and at best it is just guesswork though her forehead and hair should be pretty easy to recreate and are probably pretty accurate. No photos of Mary Jane exist. Sadly we will never know what she looked like, or even what her name really was. Thanks for watching.

@deeasztalos2520

1y↑3

Love your video! I read that book "The Five". It was so good. They were more than just Jack the Ripper victims. They had such hard lives and it ma led me so sad.

@WadeRaney-vv5oi

A Good Presentation,Good singing voice👋🙂

@kwalsh1968

24w

Very good telling of the victims stories and lives. I wonder if any of the ancestors of these women know about their great great etc......?

@DenitaArnold

19w

Thank you for all this' 2023

@EduardoSnapper-wr8qs

13w↑1

I personally believe that Mary and her landlord John McCarthy were related. There had been several facial reconstructions of Mary and she bears some resemblance to actress Kim Kendall who is the granddaughter of John McCarthy. McCarthy was a shady character who owned lodging houses — he later owned Crossingham’s Lodging House where Annie Chapman had stayed — and was involved in gambling. As someone who most likely had eyes and ears everywhere, I think he knew a lot more about Mary and perhaps even her murder than he ever let on.

@victorcontreras9138

1y↑1

You not only have a good, factual video but you also have a pretty singing voice!

@MMorbid

Thank you!

@tiffanylove6713

2y↑1

You are so well researched! even knowing the detail of the print that she had on her wall! You looked close to tears when talking about her death and that's understandable, such sad souls who lived hard lives and met really gruesome deaths at the hands of the monster....I full believe it was Aaron Kosminski...who later changed his name to George Chapman....the evidence is overwhelming! It's also nice to think he got his just deserts because he was hanged in 1903. Thanks for another great vid, I've watched all of your vids on this subject and have enjoyed them all, living in uk myself I've been able to walk around the whitechapel streets where these poor souls met their demise. Take care.

@MMorbid

2y↑3

Thank you so much, I’m glad you enjoyed it. I am thinking about doing something similar with the suspects at some point. I think that could be interesting. What do you think?

@tiffanylove6713

2y↑1

@@MMorbid I'd definitely watch it! :)

@markritchie7780

no Tiffany, George Chapman was formerly known as Severin Klosowski

@tiffanylove6713

@@markritchie7780 All I will say to you is that Google is your friend...

@jamescorlett5272

Tiffany are you saying Kosminski was G Çhapman cc

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@kittydigs6469

1y↑1

You sang that song very nice :)

@karawilliamson106

Good job on the story

@MMorbid

1y↑1

Thank you!

@dent6767

1y↑1

Beautiful Voice thnx

@lauraleesrogers9702

2y↑1

Other crime scene photos would have been taken of Mary Kelly, specifically of her eyes. It was a belief in the Victorian period that if someone was murdered, that a picture of the murderer would be preserved in their eyes and visible on photographs...

@billjones3720

They tested for that apparently, and nothing was found.

@richardtofts4977

1y↑1

There must have been a lot more taken than just the two. Wonder where they are?

@garybarnett583

The pattern of prostitution in and around the Ratcliff Highway was very different.

@cypma3942

10w

Is the house still there?

@MMorbid

10w

No but I have been to the site. From what I remember there are storage units there now but of course that was 20 years ago so that could have changed.

@debralynnpaxton5238

52w

Very tragic.

@cypma3942

10w

Volbeat made a song for her

@091053JG

I think Barnett meant “her hair” rather than “her ears” and he was misheard due to his accent.

@MoeLarrycurly1

1y↑1

You sing Beautiful.....

@MMorbid

1y↑1

Thank you

@katfoster845

27w

I find it so touching that Mary Jane took in women who had nowhere else to go. She wasn't a wealthy woman, but she did her best to keep her friends safe. I think it says a lot about her character. Whoever she really was, she was clearly a kind, caring and loving young woman who deserved so much more than her fate.

It's so sad that not one member of her family could ever be located to even attend the funeral. Given the great pains she took to distance herself from her past, perhaps that's how she preferred it. Life in Whitechapel, grim as it was, must have for some reason been preferable to the life she left behind.

@Karen-yr3fb

25w

This case was covered by the national newspapers of the time,in fact The Star almost launched itself on this case.
Anyone who knew their daughter's and sister's address would have been aware of it been their daughter and been able to communicate with the police.Maybe they knew but for some reason chose not to come forward.

@katfoster845

25w↑1

@@Karen-yr3fb it's possible they didn't know her address. It's also possible that they refused to claim her because of the life she lead, possibly thinking it would bring scandal on the family.

@Karen-yr3fb

25w

@@katfoster845 They did know her address,her mother and brother wrote to her in Millers Court.Her brother visited her in Millers Court.Joe Barnet said this in his statement to the Met police.

@katfoster845

25w

@@Karen-yr3fb what source do you have to confirm this?

@Karen-yr3fb

25w

@@katfoster845 I've already said.Joe Barnet's statement to the Met.He was arrested and then questioned for many hours.

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@Karen-yr3fb

You forgot to mention she was out on the streets again at 2 30ish

@knowledgevoyage8828

2y↑2

We just today published a video on Jack the Ripper on our channel. Always thought it was fascinating. We explored a theory that Mary Kelly had a relationship with the heir to the throne. The British Royals could not tolerate the future King being involved with a prostitute, so Jack was dispatched to eliminate her and then eliminate other prostitutes who knew about the affair. Once the loose ends were tied up, the killings stopped suddenly, which is unusual for killers of this type. Feel free to check out our video. Nice channel you have btw!

@angelofthenorthgirl

2y↑2

Have you seen 'From Hell' the plot is similar to your theory

@wioi

2y↑1

@@angelofthenorthgirl I'm sure they saw from hell... Who didn't?

@MrEvilTurkey

That has been thorougly debunked though, sadly. The theory was talked about 20 years ago, and a film made. Or did you find new evidence?
The only viable suspect, tied to the crimescenes is Lechmere. Christer Holmgren found new evidence last year. Check it out if you havent seen it.

@lisag18

1y↑1

That's too convoluted.
The killings weren't that complicated.

@katesleuth1156

50w

@@lisag18 Exactly. It’s much simpler.

@ragtimegals

1y↑1

I wonder if they’ll ever be able to identify her through genetic genealogy. Or if they could test her remains to find out if she’s Irish or not.

@MMorbid

1y↑1

I don’t think so, too many graves have to be disturbed. I’m not sure they know specifically which is hers, but man it would be so amazing if they could. Thanks for watching!

@ragtimegals

1y↑1

@@MMorbid That’s terrible. I wish they would at least try! They could even reconstruct her face based on her dna!

@MoeLarrycurly1

♥️😢🙏

@chucksshavingchannel3101

I've actually been to the sites when I went to London years ago. Is that you singing?

@MMorbid

1y↑1

Yes, it is

@chucksshavingchannel3101

@@MMorbid I like its soothing

@MMorbid

1y↑1

@@chucksshavingchannel3101 thank you. If you watch the video about the wreck of the steamboat Arabia I sing all of the songs for that. That was a fun experiment. I sang all four parts and matched them up as well as possible.

@lisag18

1y↑2

People have to stop referring to From Hell. It's a Hollywood movie. Hollywood muddles up fact and fiction.
Don't go by what a movie depicts, please.

@MMorbid

1y↑1

I am a real historian, I would NEVER use a Hollywood movie as a source but there’s nothing wrong with referring to a movie in the context I did here. If I remember correctly I referred to the twist at the end? Or their portrayal of one of the theories? No reasonable person would think I had used the movie as a source.

@garybarnett583

Where do you get the idea that she had no accent?

@MMorbid

1y↑3

Honestly I don’t remember but I have to assume the source material, “The Five,” must have said so. I think it might have been that it was common for high end prostitutes to take elocution lessons to speak more like their elite clientele and hide their low born status. So it would be an assumption that she might have repressed her accent. But you would have to read the book to confirm that. I’ve done a lot of videos since this one. Thanks for watching.

@danielwebster5748

Yeah Kelly would be a very common name besides Mary Jane there was two other Kelly's a John Kelly and a suspect with the name of Michael Kelly that looks eerily like the drawing very much almost identical. But I don't know if he's a suspect he went to America where they said he continued killing and they dug up a few prostitutes that were mutilated shortly after that but nobody knows I believe Charles cross was the name he sometimes used was the killer the one that found Polly Nichols body or Mary Jane Nichols if you prefer. Charles lechmere which was his real name and one Robert Paul found the body he didn't think she was dead he wanted the proper up and latchmere said I'm not touching her. Wanting to get away he suggested that Paul and himself go look for a policeman his intent was for each to go their separate ways and he could bow out and get out of the crime scene but Robert Paul started walking with him. Independent of that a few minutes later a policeman showed up and said there was blood under her head now if it had been there when Robert Paul was there he would have known she was dead and wouldn't suggest propping her up. What that proves was when Robert Paul came to Polly Nichols she had literally been killed seconds no more than a minute or two before. Why because the blood had not even leaked out yet all the cuts were made after death including the throat. So the blood wouldn't spurt out but it would slowly leak and there was nothing there with s*** proves that she had just been killed literally seconds before. All the victims were found on a path either that he would have taken to work when he would have been on that path or on the path from his house to his mother's house and the victims were on though that path as well when he was on that path. So he can be tied to all five victims no other suspect can even be tied to one victim. A few more pieces of evidence first of all Charles lechmere lied and gave his false name at the inquest and to the police officers so he was trying to hide his identity. And he made a mistake while speaking at the end quest he said he had heard Robert Paul coming and he came upon the body and knelt down and he could still hear Robert Paul coming. Robert Paul said he heard nothing there should have been two sets of footsteps his and lechmere but there was not because latchmere was busy mutilating the body. Buck's row enhanced sound and it was known for that both men were work boots and he heard Robert Paul quite clearly walking a couple of hundred yards behind him Robert Paul should have also heard latchmere. However he said it was eerily quiet when he walked down the street the only thing he heard was his footsteps. Let's mirror is the ripper and I'm about 99.99% sure of that.

@katesleuth1156

50w

You mean Lechemere and not “let’s mirror”. I agree. It’s much simpler than people think. You are correct in saying that Lechemere, the Ripper, walked these streets where the women were murdered, early every morning on his way to work.

@helmutsecke3529

48w

'infirmity'

@MMorbid

46w↑1

I don’t know what this is in reference to? Been a long time since I did this video.

@somegirl8124

What are your takes on the theory that Mary Jane was not killed atall (since two of her neighbours said with confidence that they had seen her early the next morning)? It was rather some othe unfortunate lady, and that is why the face was destroyed beyond recognition to help Mary Jane escape JtR.

@MMorbid

2y↑3

I confess I have not heard this theory, though it was used in the film From Hell and I thought it a clever twist. Given that we don’t even know who she was for sure anyway and DNA testing and forensic science didn’t exist at all I suppose anything is possible, but I highly doubt it’s true. I tend to believe the simplest answer is the most likely and I can’t envision why she would involve Jack the Ripper to kill a friend so she could disappear. Firstly it sounds like she was too kind to ever do that to somebody, and second, she would have to know who he was. I guess maybe a scenario like in the movie is possible but no one reported a female friend staying with her. I think the obliteration of her face made rumors like that kind of inevitable.

@OfficialDJTasawennateken

only one person said they saw her alive when she was actually dead and the person who they saw was wearing Mary Jane Kelly's veil when no one else had which brings the theory of Jack the ripper actually being a woman which then brings Mary wheeler into all this the woman who killed another woman in aborted the woman's baby and slit the woman's neck to where the woman's head almost got decapitated and then there's the weird coincidence that after Mary wheeler was hung for killing this other woman and I'm speaking of that was pregnant all the killing stops there were no more Jack the ripper killings

@peteclarke9416

2y↑3

i don't think that theory can be dismissed at all. The witbess Mrs Maxwell who saw the woman Mary Kelly at 8.30 am and 9am llived exactly opposite the passage into the court. She would be maybe 25 feet away on a narrow street, and would be familiar with her over a number of months as stated. She said she witnessed Mary Kelly being sick in the road, The connetations are obvious. She had other women staying there, and all the victims lived or knew somebody within yards of the address. There are other pointers that make this scene complicated and suspicuous.

@MMorbid

2y↑5

@@peteclarke9416 yes, but as with most conspiracy theories things quickly get too complicated to make the scenario work. It’s far more likely those witnesses were mistaken. In the last 133 years eyewitness testimony has proven to be extremely unreliable and often inaccurate, something laid bare by DNA testing which has exonerated countless people who were convicted because of eyewitness accounts that were just plain wrong. People don’t do it on purpose, it’s just how our brains work. Sometimes we see what we want to see, or our minds just change memories with the passage of time. Who knows, but as I mentioned above there’s no way to prove it either way anyway. I personally doubt it but it doesn’t hurt anything to believe it. But whether true or not some young woman was butchered, which sucks.

@peteclarke9416

Yes plenty of witness statements are unreliable... Others drop criminals right in it!

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@stephenhampson2861

46w

She was killed for love Barnet Kelly’s boyfriend probably killed her mk had gone to bed he let himself in with lost key and locked the door when he left he was at the murder scene the next day but didn’t tell the police how to get in using the broken window ,why did he kill her because he wanted to scare her off the streets which worked for a time until he lost his job then run up debts with the rent and she finally kicked him out the news papers of the day created a monster ,he also killed the 2nd and 4th of the 5 who all had connections with mk earlier that day on his visit she had told him not to come near her again it was then he decided what he was going to do because she had found and loved some one else he lied when he said when he left her on good terms the day he visited the day of the murder, the first murder was done by Charles cross the 3rd was one of the gangs of the time , her heart was taken because in his mind he didn’t want anyone else to have it and that was why the murders ended ask yourself why were her neatly folded clothes not touched and yet other clothes were burnt the rag left in the doorway after the 4th murder also gives the direction he was heading back to Dorset st where he lived until she kicked him out .

@wioi

2y↑3

I don't get these reconstructions. Both look nothing alike and most certainly you can add any woman's face to it and call it a reconstruction.

@MMorbid

2y↑2

Yes and no; the shape of her face is fairly easy to discern, as is the forehead and position of the eyes. Though it isn’t readily apparent to the naked eye the position of her nose and mouth can also be determined. You’re right though that the features themselves will never be known but I think it’s possible to get a generic idea of how her face was shaped and I was fascinated by the artists’ work and the process of reaching their final images, especially the ones that provided images of each stage of the process. While imprecise, these artists work is all we’ll ever have.

@maryanneviola752

I thought that they did prove the true ID of Jack the Ripper. He was a Polish immigrant who suffered from schizophrenia. He ended up in a mental institution.

@MMorbid

I don’t think they can prove anything. I personally think he sounds the most likely of the suspects I’ve heard about, but so much time has passed we won’t ever know for sure. Thanks for watching!

@Romulan2469

34w

I think Joseph Barnett did it.

@corinnabambina

1y↑1

Can't they do genetic genealogy/DNA on her bones, surely that's possible??

@MMorbid

1y↑2

I believe they actually had permission to exhume her and do just that. But sadly I don’t think they know exactly which grave is hers and locating her would require disturbing many graves. So it hasn’t been done and probably won’t be. Also, ids of Jane and John Doe’s this old is pretty rare but it has been done. Gabulosis has an episode about a body in a cave that turned out to be an old West outlaw from the 1880s, so it is possible if they could get to her body.

@wioi

The letter "F" was carved into her arm she had a ❤️ tattoo and a M was carved into the wall. Is a person with the first letter of the name "F" her killer? Does it mean F... ❤️(loves) Mary? As sick as it sounds. Couldn't it be possible?

@MMorbid

Anything is possible, that’s what is so fascinating about the case, so much mystery and everyone hopes they might be the one to finally solve it. Thanks for watching!

@richardtofts4977

Why does nobody talk about what is clearly ( to me anyway ) a heart tattoo. Not just the outline, but filled too...?

@mrliberty8468

A miner...or a miner...

@MMorbid

Huh?

@ryanwilson368

22w↑1

Just so you know all those photos of her alive , are fake. The only photo of Mary Jane Kelly that is real is the one where she is dead unfortunately

@MMorbid

22w↑1

I am aware of that, all were artist renderings and they were presented as such. I would not call them fake, they are merely artists speculating about what she might have looked like, and I included them because I found their work and process fascinating.

@ryanwilson368

22w

@@MMorbid oh fair enough that’s brilliant then 😊 I was recently at the iron works in wales near iron bridge and couldn’t help but wonder who her father was and if I was standing in his footsteps!

@ryanwilson368

22w

@@MMorbid who do you think the ripper was?

@MT-mx7um

could jack the ripper be a bounty hunter? she escaped human trafficking? she coudve been in hiding? was she connected to the victims in any way? why was her face the most disfigured compared to other victims??

@MMorbid

We will never know, sadly. We will never know who she really was either. I do not believe a connection between the victims has ever been found other than they were all desperately poor.

@davem8836

37w

The population of Manhattan is 1.6 million. The population of London in 1888 was 4 million. If we employ the laws of probability and some common sense, what is the likelihood that a father could find his daughter? Nil. What is the likelihood anyone (not the author) would be able to gather this much information on a prostitute in her 20's? Nil. If the source of the author's information is 'The Five', it's a load of hooey. Good effort and good channel though.

@MMorbid

32w↑1

There would be information about a prostitute in her twenties if they were murdered by one of the most famous serial killers in history. These stories came from people who knew her, I am assuming from court testimony. If it’s hooey it’s because Mary made up everything about her past. The disrespect shown to that book is astonishing to me. I was impressed with her research and can’t help but note a tinge of misogyny in the vitriol. That is a general statement not directed at yourself, but when I was researching this series I joined some groups of ripperologist discussion boards. I was so offended and disgusted by the discussions of this book I had to leave.

@chetcarman3530

Where on Earth did you get all that shit??

@MMorbid

1y↑2

A book called “The Five” most is what she told other people

@chetcarman3530

@@MMorbid I'll have to read the book, but from what I've seen & heard of it so far seems to border on historical fiction. Virtually concocting a character and backstory out of whole cloth. I've been a Ripper buff for over 40 yrs (my ex started a novel about Mary Kelly in the 80s, but never finished it), have taken several Ripper tours and read most of the JTR books up until recent years. If "The Five" has as many "Possibly, maybe, might, could have, may have, could well, probably, my guess, best guess, supposedly, likely" and "unlikely" Qualifiers as your narrative does, then it amounts to nearly pure speculation -- or worse. Like putting a "face" on that mutilated corpse of Kelly. Whole cloth.

@MMorbid

I think the author did the best she could. Following her movements seemed to be fairly easy, where she lived, etc. But she told so many stories to different people about who she was. All the author could do was see if she could verify them. Bottom line no one knows who Jack’s final victim was. You’re right, she was a character invented, by the victim herself, which made it impossible to identify her. But in learning the stories she told about herself we can at least learn how she wanted the world to see her.

@hogwashmcturnip8930

@@chetcarman3530 The book is actually very good Most of this is total fabrication Note the comment 'I think the author did the best she could' In other words it did not fit my fantasy, so I embellished it'

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