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@msloba

7y↑2.2K

If anyone's wondering why there's so many gray zones between mental disorders and mental health/sanity:

Mental disorders are defined as overly-strong reactions to situations. A 'normal' person would react to an awkward situation with discomfort, while someone with anxiety or panic disorder might fall into a panic attack. Both react strongly to the same situation but one of them acts in a very unhealthy way.

You declare behaviour a mental disorder when it becomes a nuisance or risk to the person in question or the people around them, to the point where their day-to-day life is disrupted or they're putting themselves or others in danger.

That's also why he could identify with so many things in the book in the beginning! And that's why everyone's a little psychopathic. Everyone gets in the same situations, but some people react so strongly that it actively influences and hinders their life.

(I missed that in the presentation so I'm just gonna throw this out there)

@alizah5770

3y↑896

Don’t mind this comment: I’m just writing down some time code I’ll have to use for a school presentation:
Tony’s story : 2:24
Tony sane-looking outfit : 4:21
Convince you’re sane : 5:56
"sitting like a journalist" : 6:35
Statistics: 8:50
Capitalism : 9:25
AI Dunlap’s grand Florida mansion: 10:52
Dunlap psychopath checklist : 12:19
Journalist defining by the maddest edges: 13:49
Everyone is a bit psychopathic : 15:46
Gray area : 16:54

@16m49x3

4y↑67

@TheBuddyLama
I think you are reading too much into it.
All Journalists look for sensationalism to sell their writing.
You don't hear about all the days a nuclear power plant is doing just fine. You hear about that time one of their pumps malfunctioned.

If you write a book about someone, you won't write about his days were nothing happens.

He is saying that his job is to look for things to write about, which happen to be when things are off or wrong or exceptional.

And that having this incentive if followed to obsessively can be very deceptive for those listening.

Just look at media today, all news channels on the planet suddenly got obsessed with finding sensationalism to the point where they want something horrible to happen so that they can write about it.

@MinionofNobody

22w

The DSM mentioned in the lecture is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. It is currently in its fifth edition, “Text Revision”, so it is commonly referred to as the “DSM-5-TR”, the “DSM5” or just the “DSM”.

The DSM doesn’t have a definition for psychopathy or sociopathy. Instead, it has diagnostic criteria for antisocial personality disorder which encompasses both conditions. It does this because there are no generally accepted criteria to differentiate between the two conditions.

Many psychology textbooks attempt to differentiate between psychopath and sociopathy but the definitions tend to differ from textbook to textbook. There are several videos on YouTube in which psychologists and psychiatrists attempt to define and differentiate between the two conditions but there are inconsistencies between those learned opinions.

Some people attempt to differentiate by claiming that psychopaths are born while sociopaths are made. Of course, there is no known way to diagnose an infant with psychopathy so some experts think that this is a distinction without a difference. Under this line of reasoning, a person who was born a psychopath into an abusive family would probably be diagnosed as a sociopath.

Another attempt at differentiating between the two conditions is to suggest that psychopaths are capable of mimicking the full range of human emotions but incapable of actually feeling the full range of human emotions and especially empathy. Sociopaths, on the other hand, are capable of feeling the full range of human emotions but are also capable of turning off those emotions. Diagnosing the differences between the two conditions here can be murky. Psychopaths and sociopaths are capable of telling convincing lies that support their agendas. Both psychopaths and sociopaths are capable of mimicking normal behavior. How does a reasonable person see through this sort of behavior?

I studied both psychology and sociology for my undergraduate degree a few decades ago. At the time, I was taught that the difference between sociopathy and psychopathy was entirely a difference of perspective. Sociologists are concerned with social interactions rather than what is happening inside a person’s head. A sociologist therefore looks at the social interactions and says that a person is a sociopath. A psychologist is concerned with what is happening inside a person’s head. They therefore look for indications of this and say that a person is a psychopath. This line of reasoning makes the most sense to me but I am obviously biased.

All of this is further confused by the fact that a person with antisocial personality disorder can almost always be diagnosed with a cluster of related conditions including narcissistic personality disorder and borderline personality disorder.

@noxure

8y↑105

+December Leigh Yes, that's scary. Reminds me of the Rosenhan experiment.

Dr Rosenhan did an experiment in the 70's where he send several volunteers to several psychiatric hospitals, who were considered to be mentally stable. They were assigned to act normal; except that they had to tell the doctor they sometimes hear a "thud" sound in their head. Despite this being a trivial matter that is not any cause for alarm, all of them were diagnosed with all sorts of mental disorders and detained for average of 19 days, forced to take anti-hallucinatory drugs as a condition to be released.

All of the psychiatrists are biased. Just because they're in a mental hospital MUST mean that they're something seriously wrong with them; and the psychiatrists basically just see what they want to see (delusional?).

Then after Rosenhan revealed this, one the hospitals was offended and challenged Rosenhand to send more fake patients, confident that they could identify them immediately. In the following weeks they fired 41 of 190 new 'pseudopatients' from the hospital. Rosenhan didn't send anyone that time; so that means that at least 1/5 of the patients being detained for no reason.

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@nprpodcasts

1y↑59

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@jeff2758

29w

Y de😅😅

@andysPARK

21w

I unsubscribed and set YouTube to not notify me of your videos because of crap like this video.

@jakewaugh2059

4y↑11.2K

"The grey area is were you find the complexity, the truth, the humanity." Beautiful quote.

@Macbobob

4y↑158

I like Leonard Cohen's line "there is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in". For me it means that truth can be found between the theories, the logic, the systems, in the unquantifiable bits of life that are ignored.

@southernbenz2098

4y↑18

Where**

@vchankobuonloi7013

4y↑16

I'm sorry, but I haven't understood why the grey area is where we can find humanity yet. Can someone explain it for me 🤔

@skuyliving8889

4y↑36

@:v ChánKoBuồnLói here take my example, bad and good human behavior is depend on the situation, the rough situation : killing people is bad, why would you kill people without reason? Is it good if you had a reason? You know what? Idk you why I bother to answer your question? Are you even real? F you.
Alright why I'm mad at you?
I'm sorry.
Your welcome.

@alexanderorban650

4y↑4

@skuy living 5head explainations

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@WilliamAndrews0

3y↑14.8K

I think the biggest problem is that if you tell someone for 14 years every day that they are insane, at one point they start to believe you.

@haghendowdy4750

3y↑656

there's a term for that in psychology, self-fulfilling prophecy, you can show it by providing positive and negative feedbacks to people's goals and see what happens

@mello3762

3y↑41

That’s not a problem , ain’t nobody be telling someone that everyday for 14 years my guy

@WilliamAndrews0

3y↑511

@Mello Ken there is no need to say anything when you lock them up in a psychiatric ward and won't let them leave. That brings the message across well enough.

@cyjacob3726

3y↑26

trisha paytas

@piemanpie3072

3y↑34

there is like a thing that if a doctor or somebody that you trust says that if you take a pill or something it will actually have an affect even if the pill does nothing idk what it is called like if you say: what is that smell it smells so bad. and like hold your nose people will think it will smell

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@findparadise

3y↑4.9K

I started therapy properly a year ago after a pretty intense period of self-hatred and self-harm. My psychologist was very clear in letting me know that I showed traits of Borderline Personality Disorder. I fit the bill, I could tick off on a lot of the 'symptoms,' I related heavily to others I met with BPD, but she didn't want me to diagnose and define myself by that. After a year in therapy, there's been certain traits I don't fit at all anymore, and some I never did, and sometimes a trigger will have me acting exactly like that. But she understands that grey area- and the focus is on managing the triggers, never the disorder being What I Am.

@silviasegura3742

3y↑78

Brilliant! And congratulations Amelia

@findparadise

3y↑15

@silvia segura Thankyou :)

@Nikora.Biddle

@Milly May what are you, 12?

@heyxbby

3y↑106

THIS. this talk does do a great job of pointing out that looking at a list of symptoms in the DSM (or anywhere for that matter) can lead to feeling like you have one or multiple mental disorders. the degrees to which one feels symptoms, the frequency in which they’re felt, the pain or disruptiveness they cause, when they began, and what prompted them all matter, too. it takes an trained (and ethical) professional to help interpret symptoms, make a diagnosis if one exists for you, and identify the level of care and type of intervention that’s needed.

in thinking about this, the “everyone’s a bit x” statement is both true and untrue. yes, all people can, and likely do, exhibit symptoms of certain disorders. it’s forgotten, though, that these symptoms exist on a spectrum of the human experience. for example - everyone experiences anxiety. it’s a natural reaction which we evolved to help protect us from danger. it only becomes a diagnosable disorder when it begins to interfere with ones life and shows up at times when it shouldn’t.

sorry for being si long winded, but my point is that your therapist handled your case as it should be handled. people don’t fit neatly into boxes and it’s the job of a good professional to understand that and ensure their practice reflects that.

@hey_its_abs

3y↑34

You have a very good psychologist!!

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@ashleywei9815

3y↑1.8K

The absolute best Ted Talk I've ever heard. "He's a gray area in a world that doesn't like gray areas. But the gray areas are where you find the complexity." The majority of societal problems has to do with the many labels and stereotypes places upon things. If those left, we would be a lot better off.

@lucylulusuperguru3487

3y↑11

In some cases you would be right...in others, many of us would be wandering lost in a fog looking for someone to lead us.

@carriedewey2228

2y↑7

Reality is everything is sjhades of grey. Not black and white

@9media9

1y↑1

I wonder how many find this confidence in diagnosis and prescription to be ironically simplistic...

@benyendle2584

That's why I'm anti LGBT

@susiaquino303

1y↑4

He has several very interesting books, he mingles with extremists, for example, to understand their point, which I respect greatly

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@ashwin5632

3y↑12.2K

Imagine after the speech he just started laughing and said “ That's right. I am Tony ”

@kristianprigl7895

3y↑107

Lol

@kyre6872

3y↑289

HOLY GOD-

@olteanemanuel2767

3y↑349

That would have been awesome

@anamfatima6493

3y↑57

Woah

@sh1ft3r79

3y↑186

I've looked at this comment for about 3 minutes or not, and I'm still not sure if this is a Death Note reference or not lol.

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@MrHenhen5

2y↑592

I remember learning about a psychology study where the researchers would admit themselves into a mental hospital. Don't remember too much of the details, but the main point was once you're labelled as "insane" it's extremely hard to remove the tag. Even if you behave normally (which is hard to do when you're actively trying to behave normally) and deny that you're insane, it's labelled as insane behavior.

@carolinegable4946

The Rosenhan experiment! "On Being Sane in Insane Places" !!!

@smartugs1

1y↑33

If you read Jon Ronson’s book, The Psychopath Test, he references that study. This talk is just a flavour of what is an equally excellent read.

@lorisewsstuff1607

1y↑3

@@smartugs1 okay, that's going my reading list. Thanks for the tip.

@trynabeproductive6808

41w↑4

Rosenhan Experiment?

@trynabeproductive6808

41w↑1

@@smartugs1Rosenhan Experiment?

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@user-ud9xc1hr3g

4y↑13.1K

"It's a lot harder to convince people you're sane than to convince people you're crazy." I fell that on a spiritual level.

@idontknowireallydontknow.467

4y↑33

i didnt

@lunavyz901

4y↑18

i didnt

@derin4307

4y↑27

@Lunavyz ...ok...

@raijin2950

3y↑50

Spirituality is for crazy people.

@danielleconklin2154

3y↑16

I actually repeated it, whispered out loud. Felt that too.

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@stsebastian110

3y↑3K

The dsm gives several symptoms of psychological disorders. The reason why everyone can relate to those symptoms is because, at healthy levels, they're all mostly normal human behaviors. They only become disorders if these symptoms interfere with your ability to live a normal life. (By normal I mean live a functional live)

@simulateduniverse9373

3y↑153

When a mental disorder crosses the line of being disruptive to your life, it becomes a mental illness. That's why psychopathy isn't classified as a "mental illness" because most sociopaths or psychopaths live fairly normal, productive lives. Since psychopathy is not an official mental disorder, the condition experts diagnose it as ASPD.

@SimranRawat260701

3y↑63

yes! in fact you can only classify something as a disorder if it is all of the following: 1)dysfunctional 2)dangerous(to self/others) 3)deviant 4)distressing

@Launicaliz

3y↑1

Spelling counts

@brucegelman5582

3y↑5

Define Functional

@qxob2123

3y↑5

What's a functional life though

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@juliushamilton3656

3y↑808

This showed a high degree of authentic literary talent that reminded me of Mark Twain, from the inexplicably interesting details (the color red at the asylum) to the restrained, poised, moderated yet perfect diction, to the amazing winding, hovering complexity of the narrative that keeps turning back on itself and deepening its themes in surprising ways, asking us to contemplate original, open ended situations and their analyses. A strongly insightful mind here.

@colleenverdon6315

3y↑18

I felt exactly the same as you. This guy is an amazing speaker!

@helenacorreia7613

2y↑2

Yes!!

@annzipperer3038

Well said

@heidismith1350

2y↑1

Well done

@guitarszen

47w

Pyschos can be well-spoken and they can fool many people. They even write books to engrandize themselves.

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@Shivani-vo2jf

2y↑116

This reminds me of a study conducted in 1960s by Rosenhan, where 8 completely sane people go into these hospitals claiming they heard voices but then act completely normal. it tuned out that nurses recorded their very normal behavior like pacing out of boredom as schizophrenic traits

@Kisamon

48w

I'm sorry, either I missed it, or that didn't explain how they claimed they heard voices.

@leandru7

45w↑11

@Garlicc King I think it's just worded a little confusingly. The subjects claimed they heard voices in order to get into the hospitals. Once inside, they acted normally, but the nurses recorded their normal behavior as schizophrenic behavior.

@Sashazur

22w↑2

I think they also took notes about their experiences and the staff wrote they “exhibited note taking behavior”, whereas the patients said “you’re faking aren’t you?”

@stephjonestherapyandcoching

2y↑43

During my life I amassed a huge number of diagnostic labels - anxiety, GAD, depression, OCD, SAD, PTSD, potential bipolar/BPD, complex PTSD.... only, it was none of those things.

It was autism and it took 41-years, decades of therapy, and countless clinical assessments to be correctly identified.

The DSM is only helpful if the clinician is fully aware. And believe me, not all practitioners are made equal.

Misdiagnosis happens all the time.

@Badass_Brains_Official

20w↑2

Makes you wonder how the DSM will continue to evolve in the coming decades!

@SqueamishNerd

2y↑355

I find the part about bomb-sniffing bees interesting, because I've been to bad MDs and bad therapists many times, and every time I feel like I don't trust them and read my journal afterwards, it's obvious why I didn't trust them, simply because they misinterpreted several things I said.

For example, when one MD asked me about my daily life as unemployed I said that I play video games, go for walks, and other things like that. What they wrote was "Plays video games all day and never goes out". And once I told a therapist that my depression got worse a specific year, and I had previously mentioned that I moved in with my partner that same year, in my journal it said "Partner makes them depressed", which wasn't true at all, especially since my depression got worse in the beginning of said year, and I moved in with my partner in the end of that year, and my partner actually helped me to get help in the first place, because I didn't even know I needed help, my partner saw the signs.

In the past 1.5 years, almost 10 years since I first tried to get help, I've finally found a therapist and a psychiatrist who I trust. I haven't read the journals they write, because I don't feel like I need to, because I doubt that they write things that are simply not true. Sure that they might misinterpret me at times, but they're so understanding in general that I trust that they don't write things that are outright wrong.

@Saga_Anserum

2y↑41

Psychiatry unfortunately has the same issue as medical sciences do: people will join for the sake of having control over others. I'm glad you found someone who joined to genuinely help :)

@marketads1

1y↑18

I know exactly what you’re talking about only it was, painfully, a series of custody evaluations for my daughter. Where we live they strive for even parenting unless you can prove or they find something egregious. I found so many of the professionals toeing that line that they actually changed, omitted or just lied on reports in order to make us both equal.

@TheDendra7

1y↑1

Going for a walk one a month doesn't qualify.

@SqueamishNerd

1y↑16

@Dendra7 What on Earth are you talking about?

@Nanbread-bw7nq

1y↑6

@Dendra7 why not? besides they said “daily life” so I’d assume it means they go on walks daily

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@msloba

7y↑2.2K

@cellogirl11rw55

7y↑67

Yuno As someone who has been a psychiatric patient for years, I can tell you that the reason there are so many grey areas in psychiatry is that many diagnoses share similar symptoms, and most mentally healthy people find parts of themselves in mental health diagnoses. For example, I have not been diagnosed as I a psychopath, but I do feel grandiose at times when I'm manic. Also, mental health professionals don't make diagnoses solely based on a patient's behavior; they make them based on ALL of a patient's symptoms.

@nurlindafsihotang49

7y↑8

Yuno because there is not yet a single way to peek in to the human soul and their mind. if someday we have, it will be the end of our humanity. that is the truth of the saying "every (wo)men is an island"

@johnmendoza844

7y↑1

Yuno wrong

@cellogirl11rw55

7y↑19

Yuno That is grossly incorrect. A mental illness is a chemical imbalance in various parts of the brain that manifest themselves through abnormal behavioral patterns, thought patterns, and moods. Oh, and you react not to a situation, but to your thoughts about it.

@cellogirl11rw55

7y↑7

Yuno And, I don't think you understand exactly what psychopathy is. Psychopathy is Antisocial Personality Disorder, antisocial meaning "against society." They don't form emotional bonds, they are very manipulative, they thrive on control, and they will do everything they can to get/maintain it. They are the people who would throw a fat guy in front of a train to stop it.

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@Elfsinger

1y↑105

Absolutely. I went to visit a friend in a mental hospital. When we were sat there, there was random screaming and banging in the corridors which was really scary! I said "I bet you stay in here all the time, I know I would!" and she said she had to start with but she'd been told they thought she was insane because she didn't want to socialise with the other inmates. So she was having to force herself out to be with them. I cried all the way home for her. (She's fine now and back in the community).

@The1ebutuoy

3y↑143

I think the conclusion is so on point, we live in a world that’s obsessed with categorisation because it makes things easier for us to understand but this is something that doesn’t work well when applied to mental state

@aaronday7677

2y↑1

Spot on

@paulsimonsson

21w↑1

It doesn't work well in most situations I would even say

@tessiepinkman

1y↑43

This is my favorite TedTalk of all time. Have listened to it so many times I've lost count, and it's had a huge impact on me. I just want to say; Thank you, Jon, for this magical talk.

@DOR8421

pretty good. i watched twice.

@Zer0Cylon

32w↑2

I recommend his book, The Psycopath Test... very very good

@Badass_Brains_Official

20w↑1

Definitely one of the best speakers!

@Samouaswagie

3y↑259

This is the best speech I’ve ever watched I think. This is beautifully told, it’s thought triggering, it’s viewpoint changing. My words are failing me. 8 years later, this is still mind blowing.

@katpage9378

What about 9

@nickacelvn

2y↑1

It's a great speech a.

@morganj7734

3y↑61

This is so true it’s sad. I got sent to a mental hospital for a WEEK in that week they put me on 2 new meds I’ve never been on and tried to say I had a bunch of stuff wrong with me. They told me it was unnatural to cry bc I was in the hospital (against my will I should add) on my mother’s birthday and my best friends family’s funeral

@morganj7734

3y↑21

Also the more you would ask to leave or try to convince them you weren’t crazy then they would literally tell you to your face the more you ask the longer they make you stay. So by the 4th day I just stopped crying and talking to the staff

@froglobster

1y↑4

Wow - just being forced to go there in the first place must’ve been scary.
The people that work there maybe were once patients.

@Adzes

46w

No they didn’t tell you that, you thought they were telling you that and you may need to listen instead of overlaying other folks attempts to communicate with your own assumptions and ideas. How can you hear when your own voice drowns everyone else out?

@bellaluce7088

34w↑1

@@morganj7734 So sorry you experienced that! That is literally my nightmare. Good wishes to you!

@bellaluce7088

34w↑2

@Adzes Gaslighting & Trolling in one, + bonus points for hypocrisy and lack of self-insight. Congrats, I guess?🏆👺🏆

@animepeople8744

4y↑2.8K

someone once said "it is easier to fool people than to convince them they're fooled"

@souloftheage

3y↑57

You just quoted Mark Twain.

@phyllisneal8687

3y↑6

Ask trump or markle‼️

@cwarpaint2763

3y↑7

Perfect to describe the world lately.

@aryansarc

3y↑2

Brandolini's law

@brianmccarthy5657

2y↑5

Anime People Mark Twain said "it is easier to fool people than to convince people they've been fooled".

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@astrid2737

3y↑440

People seem to forget that psychopathy is not an official diagnosis. It’s not even in the DSM. The true definition of a psychopath is antisocial personality disorder.

@adleenalobo3273

3y↑7

a person with antisocial personality disorder just an introvert?

@tobyboy7414

3y↑118

@Adleena Lobo no, introvert and antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) are very different. An introvert is just a person that tends to be reserved and quiet. They don't like to hang in big crowds. While a person with ASPD lack empathy, they focus on doing things that gratify their personal needs, are cunning and manipulative.

@adleenalobo3273

3y↑5

@Toby boy ohhh, thankyou

@SimranRawat260701

3y↑25

i dont think ASPD can be considered the true definition for psychopathy because only some psychopaths have ASPD. usually people who have ASPD are sociopaths.

@astrid2737

3y↑2

@Simran Rawat well it may not be the best definition but that is what I learned from my psychology teacher lol

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@mikejohnson5900

47w↑5

I read Jon's book years ago and enjoyed it very much. A fascinating subject in which I was interested. Further research into Psychopathy showed a scary world in which these folks walk among us and have absolutely no empathy for other people. I've known them socially as well as in business and they are frightening. Much better to avoid them whenever possible.

@johnvonklopp2074

1y↑190

I wasn’t sure what to expect. I was perfectly entertained. Quite thought provoking.

@longwhitemane

3y↑10

Jon is absolutely right. Current psychiatric thinking does not allow for the necessary grey areas. I cope with a severe mental illness as do some of my friends. If one label doesn't fit us, we get diagnosed with several "illnesses" at once.

@valeriefaabergpitel7356

2y↑36

Your talk was absolutely fascinating. I agree that psychologists and psychiatrists over label people, me included. I was and still do experience clinical depression, but one psychiatrist that would only see me via video chat and had a heavy Indian accent was bent on labeling me as bipolar, which I am obviously not and had been seeing doctors for years and showed absolutely no signs of bipolar disorder. I told her she was crazy and asked for a different doc. She was totally demeaning and refused to transfer me to a different psych doc. I had to find a different clinic and start all over. These docs are megelomaniacs at times and do more harm than good and if a patient is weak willed can be harmed irrevocably by them and the medication they prescribe. I dodged a bullet I believe.

@chimrichalds5205

1y↑1

Exactly - people need to be aware that it's not abnormal nor suspicious to try a different Doctor, for any reason. There are pressures/madates to hire certain people that would otherwise never be considered. Some are blatantly incompetent, some are intolerably smug and dismissive, etc. It's a demoralizing experience with bad treatment, but, there's also good Doctors out there who are intelligent and actually care about your outcome.

@bellaluce7088

34w

I'm sorry that happened to you. I've had similar experiences and it's so frustrating.
On a separate note, it would be a kindness to remove the reference to the doctor's accent since many people with accents are made to feel ashamed for them. Unfortunately, I know firsthand that clinicians from every kind of background can exhibit the kind of bias you experienced. : - (

@loriddell4651

8y↑7.9K

"He's a grey area in a world that doesn't like grey areas."
Never heard anything truer.

@SirShifter

8y↑52

I kid you not i read that at the exact time he said it.

@nachomomo100

8y↑1

that's crazy me too

@ayyylmao101

8y↑5

I LOVE THAT QUOTE

@acc373r4t0r

8y↑8

i can relate...
According to, Wikipedia, i'm a sociopath with antisocial personality disorder, but i think i'm in that grey area

@1Willum1

7y↑16

Weak quote... Replace "Grey area" with pretty much any negative word and boom! You're a philosopher.

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@Rachel-yj2ze

1y↑40

One of the issues with this is that being a psychopath is not in and of itself something that a person should be institutionalized for.

It doesn’t make someone a killer, it doesn’t mean they’re violent or dangerous. It’s also an inherent trait that cannot be “cured.”

Institutionalizing a person because they’re a psychopath is actually kind of messed up.

@guitarszen

47w↑2

Something a psychopath would argue, a rationalization. Did you even bother to look at a list of traits for psychopaths before writing that? A couple of key traits: a lack of empathy, especially for the suffering of others; cruelty, in particular to those weaker, smaller, more vulnerable. These together constitute a constant potential to murder or torture other living things. You wrote it yourself "...an inherent trait that cannot be cured".

@Rachel-yj2ze

47w↑10

@Guitarzen I agree it’s not a good thing- there’s a reason it’s a diagnosis and not just a character trait. About 1% of the U.S. population has psychopathy.

That being said- your list of traits is partially incorrect. What was described in this video is a set of traits associated with Psychopathy, but the DSM defines it as being “callously unemotional.” This can result in a diverse set of other traits and issues, however, things like cruelty or violence are not guaranteed. Psychopathy is considered a risk factor for violence, but it is ONLY a risk factor.

My point is that people should be institutionalized only when their mental illness has gone beyond their ability to manage it in such a way that endangers their life or the lives of those around them. To presume that simply because someone showed traits of psychopathy is as messed up as institutionalizing someone simply because they are bipolar.

@picture-you

47w↑9

Finally someone actually gets it. Bizarre to me that most people seem to be lacking critical thinking skills to be able to understand this. I do not have psychopathy myself, but find it sad that the world is convinced that psychopath = 100% evil. I can’t even imagine how stigmatized those diagnosed feel on a daily basis. I have loads of empathy for that. People fail to understand that it is a disorder (a rare one at that) and not an inherent moral failing. You can’t help the way in which your brain is from birth. It simply is the way it is.

@guitarszen

47w

@@picture-you you really have no critical thinking skills. Psychopathy is linked to cruelty, sadism, murder, lack of empathy, etc. Just because someone is born that way doesn't mean everyone has to accept them and be subjected to their disorder. You can't even understand the potential harm a psychopath can do.

@CharlesNauck

26w

@@guitarszen about 1% of the human population is diagnonsable pschopaths if we were to expand that to just your "lack of empathey, cruelty" catagorizations depending upon how broad we go we could get that to 4-20%. I mean do we all not lack empathy compared to someone else, are we all not crueler than some people?

So you want to lock up about 1% - 4% of the population, not caring that this would make them suffer because "we" the other 96-99% are strong and can force this upon that smaller weaker group.

Sounds a lot like the behavior of a psychopath to me Guitar... perhaps someone should protect society from the likes of you ;)

I don't expect you to be retrospective or capable of a cogent argument against my deductions which only makes me fear for society more, a psychopath is one thing but an irrational dilusional psychopathy incapable of seeing their acts of cruelty for what they truely are... sends shivers down my spine... I hope that you get the help you so desperately need before something bad happens.

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@476f7474

3y↑19

To my understanding, the only really important line that defines who gets classified with disorders is whether people manage to conform to the laws of society. I personally have the problem of being too empathetic most of the time but when my brain overloads due to too much emotional stress, i turn into a full psychopath and solve the situation. Being also an intelligent and well-educated person, my psychopathic side ruthlessly uses words and emotional manipulation to get myself into a situation where i am able to think normal again and usually this does not really hold on for long and often my emotional manipulation goes more towards doing whatever the other person needs to not feel negative emotions anymore so i can return to feeling emotions without having to feel their pain. I think that almost everyone has this sort of cold panic mode where you only follow your instinct to survive with no regards to how it affects others. With serious mental conditions, that mode can be active for days or even longer with no actual reason other than feeling overwhelmed by old memories.

The dangerous thing about psychopaths however is that they never leave that state and for their entire lives, they see other people only as enemies in a game for control - which again is actually a rather minor issues if they believe in conforming to the laws of society. The point where they usually turn violent is only when from their perspective, there isn't even an incentive to avoid hurting others because there is never any retribution because they grew up in a socialisation where hurting others was not even considered a bad thing and therefore being the strongest person never had any negative consequences - until it did and they get locked away.

@drthomashemingway

Interesting insights!

@thedog5k

Pretty cringe

@GT-tj1qg

1y↑1

Yeah what you are experiencing sounds less like psychopathy and more like a difficult relationship with your emotions, which is common to some extent.
Fortunately, for you, you can make a reasonable decision when you are within a threshold.
Psychopaths are always manipulating others, even when they have no reason

@alizah5770

3y↑896

@jaeheekanghan

3y↑50

Actually thank u, that will help me too in the very near future

@PeacePills.

3y↑39

sounds like it’d be a really good presentation. i’d be entertained the whole time if i was hearing this story for the first time in class.

@lessisbest3286

Al Dunlap prob needs that mansion to affirm he is smarter than the rest of the world. A psychopath needs nothing to convince themselves they are smarter than the rest of the world. Oil painting too.

@BokorugroRR

2y↑5

How did the presentation go?

@tinyellierose7885

1y↑4

was it a school presentation? hope you got a good grade 😊

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@Callummullans

2y↑17

I do feel the most harmful and frequent form of psychopathy is the need to pigeonhole others. They say psychopathy is on a spectrum like most disorders that effect humans but “professionals” often play the flagging game because of one tiny detail of a person that may happen to find its way into conversation and fit the bill. Psychological evaluation for any disorder can verge on being criminalising in this day and age as it is done belligerently and even atrociously.

@hannahmiller5515

Psychological evaluation like at a mental hospital? Or a different context?

@Callummullans

@Hannah Miller
Well I think that it was Alan Watts that pointed out ages ago, people are being encouraged to psychoanalyse themselves and each other. I think the emphasis on mental health disorders in society has become unhealthy and considering Carl Jung’s theory on psychological viruses it could even be suggesting and driving mental health problems. Mental health problems definitely meant a lack of credibility just decades ago and it still lingers as a nuance because we’re humans and it takes generations for an attitude to actually dissipate.

@rosequartz4102

2y↑14

Idk what it is about this guy but his talk was absolutely captivating. It wasn't just the subject matter, it was the way he delivered it. Also I don't know if those scientologists proved that psychiatry is the baloney that they think it is.

@drthomashemingway

Agreed

@jackfrost2146

4y↑5K

Reminds me of a story about a man who was visiting a friend in a psychiatric hospital. He couldn't find the right ward when he spotted a man watering the garden and asked for directions. The man gave him the information and then said "I'm actually a patient here, you can see that I'm quite normal, could you put in a good word for me, because I don't really belong here." The visitor agreed to do so, then turned away to walk off. Suddenly he was hit in the back of the head with a brick, and the man said "Don't forget now!"

@Mxrk_Hxshim

4y↑558

Then what?!,I found your story in the cliffhanger...

@LSHFT_Eido

4y↑41

amazing

@emmettkasey1087

4y↑299

we need a part 2😂

@greywaren6034

4y↑21

Wut

@jackfrost2146

4y↑519

@I. bad Does a sane person throw a brick at someone's head to get their attention??

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@Littlevampiregirl100

3y↑15

i can really relate to a lot of this. through my teen years i wanted to escape from society. i had no clue that i was struggling physically and did not take my physical diagnosis seriously, because no doctor or nurse seemed to take it seriously either. i was given very little information on what i was going through. i thought that i was just plain lazy and useless, and procrastinated forever on everything. i had a friend online who was schizophrenic and romanticized it, and i thought i wanted to be schizophrenic too, to finally get the help i wanted, but didnt know i needed - though, not for that reason. i was already meeting psychiatrists weekly to talk about my ongoing depression and anxiety, but this time i tried to act more... crazy. and asked to be reviewed again. the people diagnosing me swallowed it all raw. although i did not come up with ideas from books or the likes, because i had never read horror before, i used my nightmares instead as a source of inspiration and did a bit of research online on the disorder, that worked very well. it is surprisingly easy to fake a mental illness to a professional. their job is mainly to detect it, not doubt it. and i dont think they realize how easy it is to fake with all the information available on the internet.
after being diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, i was force medicated even though i did not want to be, but they made false claims that i was a threat to others. my mom recounted once, that when i started getting medicated, thats when i truly became crazy. i recall i had extreme anxiety and catastrophic thoughts, i would follow my mom around even if she was going to the toilet, and demanded to be able to see her at all the time. i feared for her life for no reason at all. i thought something or someone would harm her if i did not protect her. they believed this was my schizophrenia showing, and they started pressuring my parents into giving me up to be hospitalized in a locked facility, where they began medicating me really hard with doses that was not allowed outside of this facility, with no signs of improvement. i dont ever want to be medicated again. it was horrifying and made me so numb and unable to express any emotions at all. i stopped caring about myself and how i looked to others. you lose touch with yourself, and you get so many physical problems from this medication. and it was the one with least side effects. i experienced extremely blurred vision and was unable to read (they had to check so often if i turned blind because of it), my muscles became very rigid and i had a lot of spasms and twitching, i drooled a lot, choked on food even if i tried to take tiny bites, i developed a phobia for swallowing in the progress. i became mildly anorexic. and as mentioned, i started to genuinely act crazy, laughing for no reason, or make humming noises. just to feel something. they also started treating my weight loss with more medicine, which made me very aggressive and prone to lash out, mostly verbally. i tried really, really hard to contain this alienating anger. i never had such a bad temper before in my life. finally, my parents had enough when i frantically texted them for help and they intervened and demanded i was let out. i dont know what would have happened to me if they were not there to safe me. at home i was still medicated for a while, but i decided to stop using the medication on my own. at the time i was on medication, one of my favorite dogs had to be put down. when i was off the medication again, my bubble of emotions inside me burst out and i mourned for several months, crying constantly each day. i had not been able to cope with anything while medicated, and now it all spilled out in one violent and unstoppable stream

i still struggle physically today. but, while i am still having this 'lazy' attitude to life from my lack of energy, fighting my own body every day, i am not impaired mentally. and that confuses the psychiatrists. after escaping from the locked department and being off medication again, my head became clear and focused. i tried to explain to them over and over that i am not paranoid schizophrenic, that it was all a mistake. i tried to explain to them that it was all made up, that i just wanted to get away from it all. every time i did that, they wrote in my journal that "patient has no self awareness of their illness". they explained to me that the reason i wanted to get away from society is because i am mentally ill. after each meeting, they would note down tiny, tiny details, that "patient is wearing the same clothes as last meeting", that "patient looks well groomed today" or "styled their hair", that "patient looks distant" or "patient has trouble speaking" or is "mostly silent". and just like tony's case, they would distort regular information i shared with them into something mental and twisted. i had to be very careful using sarcasm or irony. i have improved a lot over the last couple years after being medfree for longer, after having moved away from my parents, and just given time to reflect on myself and grow up, without being intervened on or told what to think. now the psychiatry leaves me alone. but it is still officially written in my papers that i am paranoid schizophrenic. i dont think i will ever get rid of that diagnosis, no matter how well i thrive. if they ever recognize it, they will likely contribute it to their earlier intervention, and say that the medication helped me recover, or whatever. they will not admit to being wrong. and so they have always created this image towards society that they can never make a mistake. we put too much trust in them that they will do the right thing, and we are left with no idea of what is going on behind the scenes. it can destroy people's lives, people who dont have guardians to make sure they are being treated right. i saw it myself while i was there. so many lost people whose days are all the same and it will never change. they dont cure people, they immobilize and drain them into husks, until they have no more energy to protest

@claudia-Silva

3y↑1

Shizophrenic are an huge danger if they do not take the meds. All that happened to you was your own fault. Your choices.

@Littlevampiregirl100

3y↑3

@Cláudia no. this has something to do with child trauma. mental illnesses can push those that are already pushed over their limits to do terrible things out of pure spite to humanity, but a mental illness alone is not enough. self harm is the only danger that can occur in those cases, and only if the illness is severe enough, or again, something pushes them over the limit. like a bad environment, abusive parenting and neglect, etc. there will also be cases where parents cannot explain why their child became a serial killer for example, but there are also many cases where children dont confide in their parents about abuse that happened outside of their home and keep it a secret their entire life out of guilt and fear. that is enough to build up a disregard for humanity, too. mental illnesses alone do not drive you into a vengeful frenzy. i know this because i have been there myself, i have disregarded humanity many times, not because of a mental illness, but because of physical chronic illnesses and a controlling, neglecting parent who thought i was always lying about my well being, and an abusive, aggressive and sexualizing brother. i just never acted on it, because i was never pushed far enough. my childhood experiences could have been way worse. maybe if i had schizophrenia too, it would have happened. but i could also have had schizophrenia and a loving childhood, and the result would be the same. its all about how much is thrown at one individual, and how little is done about it afterwards. those things will leave permanent scars on the mind. medication, in this case, is not how you improve a person, its how you subdue them, and should never be treated as a long term solution. there are many other, much more caring ways to help a person cope with their mentality and improve who they are, and help them build up a new, healthy identity. something as simple as a tailored diet, exercise and memorable good experiences can completely eliminate a mental illness. the brain is always willing to adapt for the better, but it needs more chances and more time to do that while it recovers from past experiences. in any case you will find out that the one thing both mentally ill and childhood abused victims want, is just someone who is willing to listen

@LoganDark4357

1y↑2

aww... this is absolutely terrible and it sounds like such an awful and traumatizing experience... I truly hope that you're more okay now :c

I have a family history of schizophrenia and I ended up with a really weird inability to doubt reality... it's impossible for me to have lucid dreams or even lucid daydreams because I'll always believe that what I see is the real world... the only thing that keeps me sane is the fact that I don't hallucinate, thankfully.... but if I did, I would never be able to tell, because I would blindly accept them as reality anyway >.<

@Littlevampiregirl100

@LoganDark that sounds very difficult to deal with. at worst for me i just have intrusive thoughts of what might hide behind a corner or what hides in the darkness, but all it takes is to turn on the lights or take a peek and the thought is subdued. i hope you are able to cope and have support around you

@LoganDark4357

1y↑1

@@Littlevampiregirl100 well, it's not that I'll have thoughts that I think are real, it's that I can't ever doubt what I'm actually seeing. if I'm in a dream or daydream it's completely impossible to remember that it's not real. I'll even completely forget about real life and my real body if I'm in a daydream even if I tried my best to remember. I'll get trapped inside the daydream because I'll never think to even try to leave because the daydream is obviously real right?

but obviously I'm still self-aware enough to be able to tell this, and I can doubt any thought that I don't see with my actual five senses, but the moment I do see it with them then I'll always think it's real. :/

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@keithlynch3169

3y↑4

I went to a psychiatrist twice. On the first occasion, I went with my psychopathic wife who was setting me up - she loves to manipulate. She persuaded me to go to a second appointment.

After my second appointment with the psychiatrist my opinion of him was that he needed a psychiatrist more than I needed a psychiatrist. I didn't make a third appointment.

My depression dissipated when I left my insane wife; who by strange coincidence is also a doctor.

@noromas

51w↑6

My therapist always said, that she had ideas of how to label my illness, but she did not see the merrit in talking about the indication - she wanted to talk about the situation. So I know that I most likely had severe depression, but in therapy we did not talk as a depressed patient to a therapist. We talked as two humans who trust each other to open up. To tackle things together one at a time. To take off the pressure and go into ways to express yourself and cope with the world as it is. We should never forget that indications are only important for the society and for explanations, to give impulses of treatment and give the patient something to hold onto. But you should never be treated as your indication, you should be treated as a human with a wide range of emotions and different impulses on different days. As a depressed person I had days which were perfectly normals, even weeks in which I had no symptoms whatsoever. And never forget that being transgender was labeled as a mental disorder until very recently. Always question the diagnose, always look behind the checklist. A psychopath - even if you have no sympathy for him - should be allowed to live like everyone else, if he doesn't hurt the people surrounding him and shows no signs of unusual violence. That doesnt mean we have to share his morals and views, but we cannot keep everyone who doesnt fit our narrative out of the story.

@moisesodette7286

1y↑39

If you're watching this video and feeling like you're at the end of your rope, please know that you're not alone. It's okay to reach out for help, whether that's through therapy, medication, or just talking to a friend. It can be a long and difficult journey, but there is hope and healing on the other side. Thank you to the creator for sharing their story and shedding light on this important topic.

@charlesharrison3207

This is such an important video highlighting the importance of discussing mental health and overcoming the stigma associated with depression and anxiety. For those who may be struggling, it's essential to know that there are resources and support available. You may want to check out @Dr.healingstrain, a mycologist who uses mushrooms to help people overcome depression and anxiety. They provide valuable information and support for those dealing with mental health challenges, and their work is worth exploring.

@charlesharrison3207

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@dr.karidouglas1312

Depression is feeling down but having no control over your body. You continue to smile on autopilot but deep down you are screaming in constant torment.

@dr.karidouglas1312

I have researched and found out that shrooms are very helpful , it has really helps to reduce anxiety and depression . I would love to try magic mushrooms but I can't easily get some , Is there any realiable source I can purchase one

@moisesodette7286

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@redriot2115

32w↑1

As someone studying Abnormal Psychology and needs to find a public speech to critique for a separate, required course, this presentation is perfect!

@nealteitelbaum8660

4y↑2.7K

Most important to me is this journalist admitting that he took the bits that backed up how he wanted his story to look and left out anything that contradicted it. It takes a good person to admit that.

@darwinjaevidavin8916

4y↑109

He admits it, but then proceeds to present an outlier and a very specific case in order to further his pointless point of "Every one's a little bit psychopathic".

It takes a smart man to admit he's wrong, and a good man to actually do something to correct himself.

@16m49x3

4y↑74

@Nivad Darwin
He purposefully provided examples that pushed in both directions so as to not present any conclusion.

@TheBuddyLama

4y↑11

Bragging about intentionally being deceptive is the trait if a good person? Really? Or is it more psychopathic?

@16m49x3

4y↑67

@crystaltrees4188

4y↑11

A bit like what lawyers do.

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@writerbethd

2y↑9

"But the grey area is where you find the complexity. It's where you find the humanity, and it's where you find the truth." That's a beautiful quote, and I've felt that, believed that, my whole life. That quote, that realization, is a gem.
"He's a gray area in a world that doesn't like gray areas." I also like that one because it too is very true.

@lychee4031

3y↑63

there are great points in this
- sometimes, people overanalyze things
- you can eventually turn into the person you “hate”
- let’s just say the media or everyone else will always nitpick on other’s business
-”You shouldn’t define people based on their maddest edges”

@BlindSquirrel425

50w↑4

Not a psychologist, but a lawyer who works with the public across all of it, it’s understandable that humans try to frame things in patterns that are convenient or feel safe. The reality is that everyone is a unique individual. Applying names and characterizations may help us discuss the patterns, but it doesn’t help individuals much. Best to take each person as a unique individual, including in therapy and in law.

@JavierBonillaC

26w↑1

I am in love with this guy. I mean, I can't hear enough of his chapters. His voice is so funny. Audible has plenty of him.

@jeffreyhanson4335

4y↑5.1K

It appears a lot of people missed the point of this. This story was neither pro-psychiatry or anti-psychiatry. He masterfully threw in cultural tidbits that created our own bias'. I see Psychologists here blasting this...just a heads up, your own bias kept you from realizing in the end, he did not trust Tony (declined invite for a drink) and it appeared he began to wonder if he, himself, was conned by Tony.

The reality is that this is the art of masterful storytelling utilizing our conscious, subconscious, and senses to all react completely different.

@Priuloch

4y↑150

I think he realized that he only went psychotic at bars you silly goose lol and knew that he could be a cool dude, just not at bars, apparently.

@wendilaing5888

4y↑14

Nailed it.

@samuelmccarthy9190

4y↑48

Psychology is a psudo science, why the scientific community don't take them seriously.. They cannot even differentiate mental disorders with any form of accuracy so they decided to shove most of them into Anti-social personality disorder to save themselves work.

@globalvibrations151

4y↑54

@Spooky Moo well reading that was helpful to me at least, your commented didn't do much at all

@tubehound69

4y↑72

I took away that Tony is a bad drunk. Not a guy you want to drink with.

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@kambrose1549

20w↑1

Brilliant plea for a nuanced but practical take on mental health!

@anotheronlineperson

1y↑6

My consultant once sat me down to just talk about the reasoning of medicine - amazing clinician; works as an oncologist but ran the spectrum of knowledge from philosophy to psychology to clinical medicine. As we were talking about diagostic reasoning he laughed (very kindly) about some of my attempts at trying to breakdown symptoms and diseases.
"When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail." He'd say.
He retired this year and I don't get to see him much anymore. But I think that's the point this video tries to make. Clinical medicine is deeply complex and we try our best to box things up because patterns emerge in random events but individual events are inherently random. The DSM and Psychology isn't witchcraft and white coat doctors trying to label everything they can - and it's worth remembering that the reason that DSM grows isn't to try and label everything as abnormal; but to try and tease out the complexity and nuace of what is abnormal and try and sift through the wheat from the chaf. Physicians are fully aware of the pitfalls - that's why the training to become a psychiatrist takes so long. It's not about memorising the DSM - it's about understanding the grey zones where most people lie.

@antonialovrencic4347

1y↑1

The only sane comment in this section

@saikotropos7088

1y↑3

Well, since 7th grade everyone has been jokingly calling me psycho, nickname stuck with me for nearly 20 years. Until life brought me at the wrong place the wrong time. Long story short, i had to get psychiatric evaluations which went horribly wrong. Even started doubting myself. It is indeed a lot harder to convince people you are sane

@HSunday40

2y↑13

This was so great! I enjoyed every second. This guy is a phenomenal story teller. 👏👏👏👏👏

@danielu1763

33w

During my psych rotation at a state institution, one of the docs explained that it was much harder getting out than getting in. No doc wanted to sign off on someone they believed was sane. Regardless of sanity, there was always the chance the ex resident subsequently performed a criminal act, and they (the doc) feared that they could be sued and held liable.

@nathanwaltrip7220

4y↑16.4K

Tony: I'm not a psychopath!
Tony's doctor: That's exactly what a psychopath would say!

@jamesmidmer8845

4y↑156

catch 22 right there

@stupendoushorrendous8258

4y↑27

666th like, hail satan.

@thechosenbeastdoesgames956

4y↑130

when people think you are sane it is easier to convince them you are crazy than it is when they think you are crazy and you are trying to convince them you are sane

@xEmji

4y↑44

When i read this i see the meme with the 2 girls yelling and the cat at the table😂😂

@gamingbitchface6823

4y↑31

Narcissists are easy. They love admitting they're narcissists, for the most part.

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@vasiligiannoutsos3640

3y↑23

"Humanity doesn't like Grey Areas..." What a powerful statement, Great TED Talk

@goudagirl6095

3y↑2

We ALL have some type of neuroses or something. I think that makes us all normal. However psychopathology is definitely a very different level. What he said about CEOs/business leaders (and I believe, many politicians) being psychopathic is spot on. I've worked with some.

@laurenbaird294

38w

This is interesting. I might have said no to a drink too. I am not sure. I think it is great that you helped him. I can't believe the amount of time. I have had similar problems as Tony. The prison and mental health system are unnecessary where I live too. You give me hope and strategies. How are you these days?

@shadowk3

2y↑2

I simply wish more people understood that psychopathy doesn't automatically mean you are bad and are going to do bad things. Some people lack a sense of humor, some people lack a human connection to other humans.

@robmanson2056

3y↑8

I have a common disorder. It’s called mysphonia and it is a sensitity to sounds and means that the background noise in this talk tends to drown out the substance of the talk.
Thank science for Subtitles

@acmulhern

8y↑4.7K

Brilliant speaker, loved how he used his quirky personality to his advantage. And as all good ted talks, it makes you think :)

@alexgomez1621

8y↑46

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE ANNE, HE WAS JUST ASKING TO BUY YOU A DRINK

@salvadorpalomacerichesalin4532

8y↑2

+Alex Gomez what

@MatthewSomethingOrOther

8y↑6

+Palo o did you not watch till the end?

@salvadorpalomacerichesalin4532

+Matthew SomethingOrOther ...no

@MatthewSomethingOrOther

8y↑1

+Palo o the (possibly) crazy guy wanted to have drinks with him at a bar. He didn't show up. He was asking Anne if she would have shown up or not.

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@partlyironic

3y↑6

I find it fascinating the amount of dubiosity he conveys when talking about these conditions. I’m not sure it’s overly helpful in the overall conversation surrounding mental health.

@LukaJuresko

49w↑4

This is my favourite Ted talk of all time. This guy is a bit creepy while he talks about this and I like it.

@stillafineline5749

3y↑16

This man is funny! It’s very difficult to joke about such a intense topic.

@Ta3iapxHs

3y↑1

So many truths and things we should think about in this video. Amazing job.

@Kotifilosofi

3y↑6

"It's a lot harder to convince people you're sane than to convince them you're crazy." That was my constant mood thorough my teen years.

@_uc1e142

3y↑8.7K

,,There's about 30 or 40 psychopaths in this room."
Psychopaths in the room: laughing inside

@Rozza2k

3y↑43

Like a sideshow Bob laugh 😂

@denniskitt1187

3y↑142

Nope, they were the one laughing out the loudest:)

@_TiredMotherfucker_

3y↑263

Actually most psychopaths dont even know they are

@albertodemarchi9562

3y↑7

It's other that cinsider them as such, that Is the strange thing to understand

@user-gp2rf3hn1f

3y↑43

Psychopath's mostly blend in with the crowd to appear normal, so they'd probably laugh the loudest in the crowd.

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@perrykan4129

3y↑3

This is such a fascinating and unique perspective of viewing psychopathy. I've read Kent Kiehl's book and it says that he has found with fMRIs that psychopaths's paralimbic system shrunk. But even though that is true, the volume of grey matter which should be in the paralimbic system is not defined, every individual is different, we don't know when does quantitative change turn into qualitative change which make the psychopath a criminal, so there must be a large grey area where most of people may fall in.

@Badass_Brains_Official

20w

The white matter tract (uncinate fasciculus) which connects amygdala and prefrontal cortex is also damaged or undeveloped in psychopaths. Very interesting!

@MinionofNobody

22w

@MrBellyar

1y↑1

My mothers friends child was diagnosed with autism when he was 6. He didn't respond as a normal child when he was spoken to. Always kept to himself and didn't speak for the most part.
Once, when they came to us, my mother was gentle with that kid. As she always is, she started to pet him, was gentle and cheerful. Called him by his name and spoke to him as if he was a normal child. She noticed that the child reacted to her words and looked at her in a focused manner. I don't really know how she persuaded those parents, but they stoped the treatment. Started to spend more time with that kid. Found a child psychologist that helped them find mutual language with one another.
That child is 13 now. He is fine. Going to a normal school, having friends, normal life.
I have a couple of stories like that in my family where believing doctors ment hurting yourself/relative. The lesson for me from all of these stories is this - doctors are not you friends, not authority figures that you follow unquestionably. They are tools to fix the problem. You decide wether to use them or not.

@ClovisPictures

1y↑2

This is hands-down my favorite Ted Talk. I've watched this at least six times.

@Cinderspark9

4y↑5.4K

I really like that one line "I was desperate to define him by his maddest edges."

@dailysacrificedoublee

4y↑19

906 likes; no replies.
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Nevermind.

@devan6127

4y↑10

Yeah wow powerful line

@oskaripeurala2612

4y↑14

Yeah I edged for like 40min once I wonder how long this beast did.

@orianabecerra9217

4y↑1

what is edge? in the translate say is a border. can someone explain uwu

@Cinderspark9

4y↑17

@Oriana Becerra it means that he wanted to judge him by the most extreme parts of his personality

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@azumanguy

43w↑1

A great talk despite the sound effects. Really thought provoking

@DoctaOsiris

3y↑37

I've had many different diagnoses over the last 30 years or so, but in the last 15(ish)years it's been stuck on a specific few, Paranoid Schizophrenia, Chronic Anxiety and Depression, OCD and Panic Disorder, although I personally recognise other issues like hording and virtually no self confidence whatsoever, yet I still don't think they have my so-called "diagnoses" correct, I've been to prison many times and in and out of a dozen different mental health hospitals including 2 different lock-up ones, yet not a single psychiatrist has ever given a single identical diagnosis, the vast majority of them are just winging it and the rest just randomly pick a diagnosis in their head and slap that label on you so they can convince themselves they've done their job and can go home to bed, who's really the psychopath in this scenario? 😲

@helenalena6193

2y↑7

I feel you. I went through so many disorders for doctors to find out I'm just a very, very anxious autistic person.

@alienonion4636

I think the most popular among the shrinks is bipolar and schizophrenia. More than anything else they seem to love prescribing expensive drugs when there's no cure. Anyone stopping those meds and are no worse or actually better they'll then say are in remission.

@mooncatandberyl5372

yep, i know exactly what you mean, DSM is all made up n yes many psychiatrists suffer from narcisistic personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder /psychopathy, thats why they chose the profesion in the first place.

@thehangingparsiple5692

1y↑1

So quick to diagnose now.
Apparently I seem to have OCD and borderline autism spectrum but funnily enough a girl I worked with had the same, and my next door neighbour too the following year 🤔 Coincidence maybe. But so many young people now citing ADD or ADHD. I believe it's right that many disorders are simply part of the huge complicated mess that is being human.
My own 'diagnosis', believe it or not, was suggested to me over the phone by the mental health service after taking part in a 20 minute initial 'interview'. They needed to find the right counsellor apparently. But should they have told me this at that point??

@efnissien

3y↑3

I've several friends who have worked in psychiatric medicine... generally those with degrees in psychology only did them because they're too scared of the outcome if they visit a psychologist themselves! It also makes them feel better if they can criticize someone else's life and drag them down to their level! lol
But on the idea of it being harder to get out of a hospital than it is to get in, one of the friends of mine told me about a television researcher that got themselves checked into a hospital to research for a drama. He checked in incognito, only 2 staff knew who he was (so that the staff would treat him like any other patient) he was only supposed to be there a couple of days. However, one of the staff that knew who he was, was taken ill while the other went on holiday. This left the researcher stuck in the hospital for a fortnight, he would turn up late for group therapy and say "sorry I'm late, I was on the 'phone to my producer" and the therapist would nod and say "yes...of course you were"!

@owyn4126

31w

This is incredibly fascinating and rings incredibly true. You see, l have austism. Normally, l'm just a little weird, but in a good way l think, and though my social battery's a little shorter than usual, l have absolutely no problem socializing. But there are three teachers from middle school - just three - who treated me "different". For example, l always forgot to grab a marker for math class until the last second, so l always got the pick of dried markers. Bc it took me forever to find a working one, the teacher claimed l "was searching for a special marker." I'd be lying if l said this doesn't still piss me off. But due to experiences like this with these three teachers, whenever l see them (and l do, it's a small town), l catch myself acting stereotypically autistic. I don't usually repeat words people say, but with them l do. I don't care about eye contact, but with them it's harder. *Psychology is all in the head*, if you catch my meaning

@smoynihan1960

5y↑3.5K

disappointing to NOT see Ted at one of his own talks once again. This guy seriously needs to step up his game

@BWater-yq3jx

5y↑48

I blame Mark Wahlberg.

@Albanez39

5y↑4

Whi's Ted?

@carlhartwell7978

5y↑82

Ikr, you know I just realized I don't even know what Ted looks like! Lazy git.

@omgitsjoetime

5y↑74

Fuckin Ted been ducking me since the first ted talk.

@EmeraldView

5y↑41

Ted's a bit of an introvert. Has he even done one of these talks of his?

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@Room237REDRUM

2y↑3

What is "normal" to one tribe, is pure insanity to another. We are all WAY too complex to be labeled by those little boxes meant to define us; every person reacting to their own specific situations and wee blip in time. Despite societies boxy, made-up mandates, I'm so glad I met people in my early 20's who helped me rethink those boxes and enabled me to slowly break out of them.

@dekhangrows7959

3y↑13

I’ve re watched/ listened to this 10+ times just for how well this guy tells the story.

Good stuff.

@ananamu2248

3y↑1

I haven't enjoyed something as good as this for a long time....hilarious !.....and added....very very insightful ...mastery of a topic ...impressive

@thehangingparsiple5692

1y↑2

Thing is, being a psychopath does not make you any more likely to kill or commit crimes then someone 'normal'. People make that mistake of thinking different.
Regarding Tony, 14 years is a long time shut away, and it's a pretty changed world outside - hard to adjust, hard to get work even without a criminal past.
I think I would have gone to have a drink with him

@coldbattery

2y↑6

One of the best speech I've ever heard in my life.
great pacing,
brilliant performance

@gymnast2890

8y↑355

When I was in school for psychology, a female patient was described as "manipulative" because she was cutting up & making a suicidal man laugh, & some other patients joined in. I said I didn't see the manipulative behavior, why is she manipulative? "Because she must be because she's a drug addict & they're manipulative". I said "her file says she's in pain management, most people in pain management are not addicts, & there's no evidence that she's an addict". The Dr got exasperated & said "Well, she must be SOMETHING, or she wouldn't be here"..that didn't seem right, starting with the fact she's getting help & labeling her from there. I determined she was there due to being depressed about being physically ill, & neither an addict or manipulative. The psych profession does leave a lot to be desired, especially when people are being treated in groups & they don't really read the file. Sometimes it's simple & obvious, but the person doesn't get help due to being mislabeled.

@noxure

8y↑105

@username7735

8y↑2

+noxure Rosehan, you da real hero

@greimalkin

8y↑11

+noxure confirmation bias people see what they look for

@gymnast2890

8y↑15

noxure Yes, that experiment was with pseudo patients, one of them Rosenhan himself! & they were all diagnosed with schizophrenia! Except the one private hospital, but that one was diagnosed with manic-depressive psychosis, still very bad. They acted normal once in the hospital but took notes, & 1 Dr even said the note taking was pathological! Spitzer said the study was flawed. Most of the hospitals were under funded, etc & Drs spent an average of 6 min a day with a patient, but this doesn't account for the dehumanization, abuse, and severe over diagnosing, these pseudo patients were not allowed to leave until they admitted they were mentally ill & took anti-psychotics, very dangerous in the 70's!
The argument compared it to medical medicine & faking symptoms, but they reported no symptoms other than the initial ones, on that basis alone were diagnosed with schizophrenia as it was defined then, but Rosenhan said they did not present symptoms consistent with psychosis at all to get in the facility, & about 1/3 of the PATIENTS thought they were faking & there as journalists or something! Anyway, it cannot be compared to medical medicine, that's just stupid, we know less about the brain than any other organ in the body BY FAR, and that was the 70's.
It was classic expectation bias. The real crime is the way patients are treated in a subhuman manner, & all nurses, who really have the contact, should be required to be patients first, although this would make some of them even more mean, some people actually work in a place like that in order to feel superior or more powerful because they lack security...the same mentality of a child molester, actually.
Anyhow, yes it's definitely expectation bias to the extreme....the truth is almost ALL diagnosis were off in hospitals in the 70's & a great deal of them still are...you can go to 3 different Dr's & get 2 different diagnosis, then there are overlapping diagnosis, actual over lapping of conditions, etc etc. Thanks for the reminder on the study!

@gymnast2890

8y↑6

Ess Thank you,that's so kind of you to say, is so true though, we know very little about how the brain works or even how medications work to "fix" the brain, patients are treated like lab rats. So much confirmation bias. That branch became too much for me & I work with kids in sports psychology in helping overcome problems & raising self-esteem. Frankly, I don't see how anyone with a conscious can maintain between the evil pharma co's lying to sell their meds & the horrible stigma placed on mental health patients, whether or not they even have a disorder in reality! If they do, the LAST thing they need is to be dehumanized by mental health workers & stigmatized by them & society at large. Stigma with mental health patients & addicts got to be real hot issues for me, & still are, I like feeling like I'm doing something positive & accomplishing something, lol, not spinning my wheels for money.

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@Kaboomnz

1y↑2

One of the best talks I've seen, can't believe it's a 10 year old video and I've not seen it until now.

@Kat-vo7ze

3y↑37

His presentation and speech was insanely good though.. I got goosebumps by the end

@montysaints4750

2y↑3

I am currently reading his book, "the psychopath test", so I know all of this but it is pretty cool to hear it explained with an ominous aura.

@SplitMutton

28w↑1

Robert Hare wrote an open letter to Jon after he released his book. Hare was very unhappy with the direction that the project took considering Jon's ultimate "live and let live" philosophy towards psychopaths. Jon describes Hare as obsessive and blinded in his crusade against psychopaths. I am inclined to side with Hare after reading his books like "Without Conscience" and "Snakes in Suits".

@Badass_Brains_Official

20w

"Without Conscience" is such a fascinating book.

@realtorforlouisiana

2y↑1

That was enlightening and thought provoking 💝

@jared3519

8y↑408

This guy did a great job, he kept my interest all the way until the end

@dessa1111

1y↑7

As over-quoted, as he is, the story reminded me of this “The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”-Marcus Aurelius

@rosiehighqueenofall5046

3y↑114

The man is charming, confident and has shown to be cunning when he wants to be. Whose to say the story isn’t about him?

@thedevil1667

3y↑7

We can never know...

@haharmageddontv6581

2y↑2

Sussy impostor

@berriepieql

Hmm.🌚

@user-py3zm1co6w

Exactly

@smoldeku_shari681

3y↑3

CONFESSION: I once believed that I was mentally ill since I was 7th till 9th grade. At school I would play like the most aloof and loner kid of all. I never expressed my personal thoughts or emotions, so people weren't mean to me due to the fact that I only say what they wanted to hear. When I got into arguments, I knew when to wash my hands off the blame and how to turn people's sympathy towards me. I took the advantage of "I was at the top students so therefore I can do no wrong" towards my teachers and classmates. I felt nothing other than bored after the other kid tried picking on me, even when he got called to the office for counselling....... Looking back at my ways, it was a bit horrifying.

@wbfaulk

29w↑2

"Maybe the psychiatry profession has kind of a strange desire to label what's essentially normal human behavior as a mental disorder."

The DSM goes out of its way to repeatedly state that a mental disorder must almost always entail significant distress or disability to the individual.

I think it states this the most plainly when it says "it is not sufficient to simply check off the symptoms in the diagnostic criteria to make a mental disorder diagnosis", which is, you know, the exact thing that you did.

@Badass_Brains_Official

20w

But then that does beg the question; are psychopaths distressed by their symptoms?

@colleenverdon6315

3y↑18

Wow. That made me think in new ways. You were a very clear, very knowledgeable, very charming and very sincere speaker. If fact, I don't think I've ever heard a better speaker. It reminded me of when I worked in an in-patient mental health facility. I mentioned casually one day to a co-worker that I felt that the patients were mirrors of ourselves, just with the traits magnified. This person just became unglued. Actually very angry that I would imply that he was in any way similar to a crazy person. I thought your lecture was fascinating and reminded me of the truth that everything is on a continuum, even madness. Thanks for making my day more interesting.

@natashagalt6631

5y↑2.9K

This is honestly my worst nightmare, not being able to prove I'm sane.

@SylvesterLazarus

5y↑135

Hey! It's Dr. John Smith! Please stop acting like you were not in our asylum. All you do all day is sitting by the wall and typing on an imaginary keyboard and looking at an imaginary screen. You even imagine that you have a doctor called Dr. John Smith.

@natashagalt6631

5y↑15

@ToValhalla_HUN Dr John Smith is my beau. Stop being such an impersonator 🙄. Blocked, reported and moving on.

@Jiyukan

5y↑39

@Pineapple Pizza112 Come on Pineapple! If you would be insane, the voices you hear in your head would most certainly tell you!

@natashagalt6631

5y↑3

@Jiyukan #WhenPeopleSayYouHearVoices #ItsJustMyFriends lol

@freedomrider266

5y↑26

That's the issue: No one should be allowed to require you to prove that without you having done something criminal that relates to mental state.

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@KitsuneFyora

3y↑6

If everyone acknowledged that everyone has at least 1 mental disorder or has a little crazy, we might be more accepting of each other.

@tooobarehman559

2y↑8

It was really informative . I will always remember this while persuing my career as a clinical psychologist .

@diana050661

3y↑1

I went to a mental hospital for a about a week and yeah I can definitely see how saying you’re not insane would mean nothing to them it’s like prisoners saying their innocent

@MorrisDugan

35w↑1

Does the DSM include my phobia - fear of the DSM, including fear inspired by its vast and growing size, and fear of being misdiagnosed by everyone I meet who knows of the DSM, and fear that the DSM was written by people to leave out the disorders they have?

@andmicbro1

2y↑2

Thing is, there are a lot of functioning psychopaths. And by functioning I just mean they are able to live fairly normal lives. But every psychopath becomes a serial killer. But those are the psychopaths we're obsessed with. Those are the ones who get excessive attention in fiction. Those are always what we think of when we think of psychopaths. But psychopaths could very well be doctors, lawyers, police officers, or various other professions. They may even thrive in those environments and do their jobs well. And in the cases where they are helping people, perhaps their motivations aren't all that altruistic, yet they still perform admirably for the fact that they thrive off being the best at that job. The pleasant outcome for others is just a happy side effect.

I do think that in the case of criminal psychopathy, there is a little of nurture and nature involved. There's the predisposition to psychopathy, but then there's the upbringing without the proper structure and emphasis on ethical behavior. While psychopaths may not personally see a reason for behaving ethically, they may see it as necessary to operate in society. Just like any of us would shy away from breaking the law because of the dire consequences, psychopaths can very well understand that rules and laws and ethics are the social contract we all abide by, or risk getting labeled a criminal, an outsider.

But also yes, structure, and purpose can give many psychopaths the tools to operate as proper members of society. They can feed their egos via business conquests, or in other challenging environments. They can feel happy and fulfilled in their achievements. Maybe they aren't the best parents. Maybe they are a terrible choice for jobs that require empathy and respect for other people. But that doesn't mean they are all evil schemers. They are just people. And I'm sure there's a spectrum as well, from mildly psychopathic, to wildly psychopathic. But even in cases with a straight up psychopath, maybe they are still just normal people doing their job and being a participating and functional member of society.

Serial killers are quite rare. And there are perhaps several factors playing into what led them to that particular path. But one thing's for sure, not every psychopath out there becomes a serial killer, or a killer at all. Otherwise our jails would be overrun with serial killers instead of drug offenders. And pretty much everyone would personally know a serial killer in their lives. Thank goodness that's not the case at all! And gratefully most psychopaths are just regular people, some very likely successful people as well.

@manafactariq3439

6y↑3.7K

This, honestly would make a great film ..., the screenplay would have to be very well written but if it Is, it could be one of the best psychological thrillers

@TheDakenzi

6y↑243

It's fun that while he was telling the story it felt like i was watching movie in my head! Really great speaker, that background music made it that much better

@joyce9856

6y↑86

fun fact: Jon Ronson is actually a screenwriter too. he wrote Frank (2014) and Okja!

@avior4319

6y↑37

You sound like you would love Mindhunter on Netflix.

@Rookz

6y↑10

Manafactariq seriously. They could make you question the whether or not he’s psychopathic. You even like him by the time his tribunal comes around. And then they drop the hammer that he is a full on psycho.

@dariusheard8044

Manafactariq y

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@coconutshells7018

3y↑2

It's frightening how an individual (psychiatrist) can subjectively decide the fate of another based on what they think is "normal". Who's checking to make sure the psychiatrists aren't psychopaths? 🙄

@asquishyjellyfish5431

3y↑4

If somehow, you can crack the faces they've hidden just by a feeling of discomfort or just by a gut feeling that this person is not what they seem, trust it with all your heart and up your guards to maximum. Calm, cool and collective is the key.

The consequences of being manipulated by someone might just be the end of you, either psychologically and physically, it just truly just an horrific and traumatized experience, and it WILL get downward from the moment you knew you hooked.

@ambercrombie789

27w↑1

My situation was similar. I made angry comments about my pastor on fb, (well earned, btw). I went to VA SHV Acute Psych on 3 day voluntary commitment. THREE WEEKS LATER they finally decided I wasn't crazy. "bi-polar". My "church" abandoned me even though they made much of their desire to "restore" me. Church won't let me return because I won't take meds that incapacitate me. Bonus, cops seized my weapons for "my safety". Not a fan of "mental health professionals" currently.