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daniel spell

Couldn't dave Norton just wait for
Brad to pass ?

In real life rapper actor mc eiht had
Got caught up in some other stuff
And dj pooh from the friday movies help co-wrote all the hood aspects in
Gta San Andreas.

Same thing with sling Johnson / lamar Davis

matthatter56

1y↑2

MY theory is Claude could be the actor from the show "Just The Five Of Us." If you remember his interview on K-Chqt he is mortified that he is type cast as sitcom star. The voice actor does an amazing job by just barely holding the seething rage at being known for a role he hates.

He wants to do Broadway but all Amy wants to talk about is his character on Just The Five Of Us.

That guy's name is Claude.

My theory is that he goes insane and becomes the monster from GTA III.

The reason he doesn't speak is because he has a very distinct voice and is afraid someone will recognize him.

This is the exact kind of social commentary GTA is famous for. A typecast actor that can never break those shackles and becomes a monserous killer.

Lastly if this theory isn't true why name the typecast actor Claude? It's just to obvious to just a coincidence.

Gergő Piroska

37w

Big Smoke may have stalled the time but he actually repeated the others' orders as well as adding his order to the list

2 number 9's for Cj and Ryder

A number 6 with extra dip for Sweet

So he "only" ordered A number 9 large, a number 7, 2 number 45's (one with cheese) and a large soda

Which is still a lot

All comments from YouTube:

MojoPlays

1y↑102

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Cameron Johnson

1y↑3

You do realize that smoke was ordering for the group and that’s why the order was so long he only ordered 3 things for himself and a drink the 2 number 9s and 2 45s one with cheese was for him

Adam Howard

1y↑1

Theory No 1: CJ is Franklin's real dad

Cameron Johnson

1y↑1

@Adam Howard unlikely Franklin was 4 during San Andreas and though CJ having a 4 year old at 24 is likely him not being mentioned at all and Franklin mentioning knowing who his father is makes it unlikely

The Phenom

1y↑2

The GTA games have their own universes 2D,3D and the HD UNIVERSES so they are not connected.

TThach

@Adam Howardthey are in different universes 💀

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Gandal Ainsley

1y↑2.4K

I don't even know why the "Brad's bullet was meant for Trevor" is even a theory. It is explained in the game that it was meant for Trevor because he is crazy.

AutspecReality315

1y↑152

I read this as brad's mullet was meant for Trevor 😂

GrimsGrim

1y↑61

Yeah Norton was afraid of trevor in the game too i believe

Lord of Shooters

1y↑6

@AutspecReality315 me too. 😂😂😂😂

Ayeeron Franko

1y↑64

It was meant for Trevor because Norton and Haines always wanted him dead, that’s why they wanted Franklin to kill him

Project Talk

1y↑74

Yeah I don't understand the "players can't agree" they word for word explained the entire plan from start to finish, Trevor dies, Brad goes to prison and Michael would spend his days as a new person under the constant watch of the fib

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David L

44w↑132

Rockstar has stated that in GTTA V the 3 Protagonist are archetypes of the three primary types of players, Trevor is the Chaotic kill crazy players who don't really care about the story just want to cause mayhem and have fun, Michael is the Veteran player who been through their Trevor phase and is enjoying the story and the gameplay, and Franklin is the New player, learning the ropes.

Halkras12

36w

and gta online character has all of three has

TKnHappyNess

1y↑501

Ryder's betrayal actually starts during House Party when he says he's going to round up some homies to help against the Ballas, but you never see him during the shoot-out. As for the last one, Dave's bullet was meant for Trevor, however Brad walked into the path and got shot instead. You hear Michael's conversation with Franklin after the mission Dead Man Walking that the wrong guy got killed, that guy being Brad

Cameron Johnson

1y↑17

Someone did the test he was gone getting smoke and some recruits he might not have made it back in time even if he was trying

The Ultimate Opportunist

1y↑8

@Cameron Johnson you're right. There's a channel called Real k3ven that did a two-part series on it.

daniel spell

TKnHappyNess

1y↑3

@daniel spell He didn't expect Brad to walk in front of Trevor

ronaldo montero

1y↑2

He wasn't supposed to be

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SadwichPunch2100

1y↑531

The three character representation theory is fun. I always saw then as the modern representations of the 3 PS2 Era games. Michael obviously being the embodiment of Tommy Vercetti all washed up, Franklin obviously being modern CJ, and Trevor translating the cathartic psychopathy we all found as Claude in GTA 3, just with a voice and personality now.

Angelo

1y↑16

But I would rather trust Trevor than Claude cause Claude is loyal to no one

SadwichPunch2100

1y↑12

@B.A.M.M Double M I don't know about that. Catalina, Salvatore, and Kenji all either tried or were plotting to kill him. From what I remember, Claude didn't turn on anybody who didn't already have it coming. Trevor can snap in an instant and kill anyone and everyone.

Angelo

1y↑1

@SadwichPunch2100 but I don't remember Kenji plotting to kill him though.

SadwichPunch2100

@B.A.M.M Double M Doesn't he? It's been a minute, but I thought there was hints that Kenji was setting up Claude. Maybe not. Like I said, its been a couple years since I replayed GTA 3.

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SimplySageWRLD

1y↑650

I instantly knew Big Smoke was behind the murder of CJ’s mom from the way he just threw the bat onto the same table with her photo.

Sheem Almighty

1y↑33

Lies

Cheese Ghost

1y↑4

Same

Nidula

1y↑55

Smoke did not kill CJ's mom if you watch the intro the three ballas killed cj mom but they ment to kill sweet

Zake Soya

1y↑5

Ya right

VVguy1

1y↑8

The betrayal let's you know that he was. It's not a theory it's canon.

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Luke Clover

1y↑306

I'm fully behind the theory Ryder wasn't intended to be a villain. I remember an in-depth analysis of his character that suggested this also, IIRC MC Eiht may have had a pay dispute with Rockstar (something they're known for) and that was the reason for the last minute change

Donte Daniels

1y↑20

They did. That’s why after a certain mission he stops talking

dtet

1y↑6

i agree with the theory but i dont think it was a pay dispute apparently it was just mc eihts personal life

Impra

No, Ryder was turned villan last minute because voice actor died during the production

Ryan Lopez

1y↑34

@Imprathe voice actor is still alive 😂

Devil Man Diavolo

1y↑23

@Ryan Lopez mans just killed off MC Eiht

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USVI Dragon Slayer

1y↑157

Big Smoke saying to CJ "you picked the wrong house fool" at the begining of the video makes me laugh so hard

CJFromGroveSt09

1y↑3

I get PTSD to this day

Skittle Chan Studio

42w

Same 😊

Mike Cabral

1y↑81

The Ryder wasn't supposed to be an enemy theory is one I fully believe in and has even more weight than mentioned here. The dialogue that Ryder has post betrayal is extremely similar to his dialogue at the beginning of the mission Robbin' Uncle Sam. He even slurrs his words on them cause he was high in that cutscene. It makes no sense for him to sound high in the pier 69 mission. More than that as someone who works in game design now, I can tell you it is extremely common for storylines/ plans to get cut or severely changed extremely late into production for a variety of reasons such as voice actors not being available to redo lines, to contract issues, and most likely in this case time restraints not allowing for whatever was planned.

D

1y↑1

I've seen videos saying Ryder had lines cut from the game proving he wasn't meant to be a villain

Galvengar

1y↑2

If I am not mistaken, Ryder was never meant to be written out of the story at all. If what I've heard and read is true, Ryder was written out because of some drama between Rockstar, who has the rights to the story and character, at MC Eiht who was dubbing Ryder. The conflict grew quickly and they(Rockstar and MC Eith) had to part ways midways through production of the game. That is why the line from Ryder in Pier 69 sounds so much like the line from Robbin' Uncle Sam. - it's because it is. Although a little more like mumbling in the later mission of the 2, it could seem like a copy.
- Galvengar, who is, in no way shape or form, trained to design or make videogames what so ever. xD

J sledge

47w

It cause his voice actor quit.

AN5137

1y↑37

The only problem I have with the “smoke was going to kill sweet” theory is that when CJ is not with the 3 grove st ogs, they are all usually hanging out together. Since Smoke and Ryder are both traitors, they had many opportunities to kill sweet when CJ wasn’t around

JM1993951

1y↑8

But Smoke was supposed to be the only traitor, originally. Smoke may not have had many opportunities to be with Sweet without Ryder being around, too.

Stickanimates

47w

@JM1993951 But why would smoke do it himself he got the ballas to kill his mother why attract more attension

shadow king

46w

@Stickanimatesexactly, thats why smoke sends them to balla territory often to set them up

Schnoor Saibot

1y↑122

Ryder WASN’T intended to be a villain. I heard that it was because MC Eiht left the game

Troy Martin

1y↑173

The Michael is Claude theory has so many holes that I don't even know where to start, so here are just a few:
While Claude was dating Catalina, Michael was married to Amanda
In 1992, when San Andreas takes place, Michael was living in a trailer in the Midwest with his wife, not racing cars in San Andreas
In both 1992 and 2001, Claude is relatively skinny, definitely not with a gut like Michael. Even Trevor states that when he met Michael, in the early 1990s that Michael "had a gut but was muscular underneath it"

Benny Castiligone

1y↑26

Exactly! The stories just don’t add up.

MRkmFIN

1y↑24

Don't forget that 3D and Hd games happen in diffrent universes

Kurt Paulsen

1y↑14

Even if they were the same universe, there is also the fact that Claude was an awesome driver, whereas Michael is passable at best... Just saying...

Tatu luusua

1y↑4

you can also find Claude in gta v online when picking your characters parents.

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Sam Aimson

1y↑30

I think Ryder’s betrayal could have been Tenpennys plan all along.

To destroy the group from within, and make Carl see Ryder in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

Oven :D

1y↑92

I was really hoping to see some GTA IV ones like Niko having PTSD after Kate died because of the phone calls you still get.

MADAME

1y↑2

What are the calls? I've never played IV beyond the final mission.

Oven :D

1y↑29

@MADAME If you choose the ending where Kate dies, she can still call you to hang out, but it comes up as unknown. It leads me to believe that Niko could be suffering from ptsd. Or it’s just a glitch.

MADAME

1y↑6

@Oven :D I hope it's the former because that's terrifying and would fit the game quite well.

RLFPotatoKing

1y↑2

@Oven :D I've heard it happens with the other ending too, after Roman dies he can still call you but it gets hanged up when you accept, though some others have reported that he will ask you to hang out but it doesn't activate anything. It's called the Roman Bellic Ghost myth. Pretty creepy indeed.

Happy Thoughts

45w↑1

@Oven :D So the player isn’t allowed to accept it? 😂

Midwestjoker !!!!!

1y↑10

The three also represent the gta trilogy set. Michael represents three with gun control and straight forward thinking. Trevor represents vice city where the city is your playground and everyone fears you. And Franklin is San Andreas with the young up and comer making a name for himself after coming up from the gang life and the streets.

mr.purple

1y↑15

it's always amazes me how rockstar put a lot of hard workk to make these games have such a story and have many theories that can be true or not i hope they never let us down in gta6

ChrisJamesWasTaken

1y↑17

Reason why Ryder only had a couple lines after his betrayal and why cj only spoke his name once is because the voice actor of Ryder apparently got into trouble and couldn’t finish his parts in the game

noskoolikeoldskool

1y↑4

Voice actor 4 Ryder is Westcoast Gangsta Rap Legend MC Eiht.

Louie Louie

1y↑55

Ryder's case is 100% fact. Even Pulaski had some last words (not reused dialogue) before being stomped to death by CJ.

Oversimplified Productions

1y↑2

What did Pulaski say?

Danny Moralez

1y↑1

What did he say

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ST-Money

1y↑83

The most quotable line not just GTA San Andreas, but the entire franchise is “All you had to do was follow the damn train , CJ!”

Chris Roney

1y↑1

I don’t think anyone beat that mission on the first try lmfao

LYX DA PRODUCA

1y↑5

Either that, or “awe shit, here we go again”

Kurt Paulsen

'I sold YOU out, Tommy... I sold YOU out!'

ItsMe...

47w

Or smokes order

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Gamesta100

46w↑3

Ryder wasn't suppsed to betray Grove street but the voice actor left to do an album or something before he was finished voicing and he left on bad terms so they had Ryder betray Grove. His voice actor leaving prematurely is whe he uses already existing voice clips when you hunt him down.

Rj Correia

1y↑18

Dude Ryder not originally betraying GS is just a plain fact since his actor had more important things to do and R* changed it so he was a traitor despite his missions benefitting GS unlike smokes missions ( that's why they reuse previous dialog for his later appearances )

Danny H The retro gaming master

1y↑2

I think a better conspiracy theory regarding Claude from GTA 3 is if he actually killed Maria after completing the game? Also what happened to him after the events of GTA 3 which led to his outfit being in Dwayne's apartment that Playboy X was staying in? Was Claude killed off or did he leave or go on the run again leaving his original outfit behind?

Karabo Mafa

1y↑5

The Ryder theory is true.. It's a shame it went down how it did... Would've been interesting to see Ryder alongside Sweet and CJ at the end

L-STORM

1y↑14

Big Smoke waiting in the house is dark af when I really thought about it 😲😲Growing up playing this I always assumed he went back in the house to get something for Sweet or something out the fridge 🤷‍♂️ Then grabbed a bat when he heard someone else in the house with him

MADAME

1y↑5

Right? I never even considered it, but that is so dark.

UncleJ27

44w↑1

Wow, and I didn’t even know that Franklin was actually going to find himself in some kind of trouble with the cops for just simply waking up to them outside the police station. I think I can kinda understand why Franklin is about to try to be arrested for just walking by an officer and saying a simple hello to them before going on about his day. 😂

Prod. by TZA

47w↑1

My theory for the “drive thru” mission is that the order is so large because he was ordering for everyone. Hence CJ calling him fat boy, and the fact he’s the one at the drive thru intercom

Yolsa Wise

1y↑4

The devs from SA denied putting bigfoot in that game. He only became real in V.
Also, You forgot to mention that Jock's name is on the ground near where you see the ghost.

kylere2k9

48w↑1

Theory I’ve always believed is Ryder was supposed to live, I always figured maybe he takes over Jizzy’s nightclub for GSF after CJ kills him, it would write his character out of the end of the story and wouldn’t need to appear again

Or even if he did turn, I imagine him surviving, the dude was always a like cockroach after all during the early game stages, and smarter than he truly let on, he could easily of jumped off the boat before it explodes because CJ never checks it, always presumed dead (killing him before he gets to the boat doesn’t count damnit!)

and with Brad getting shot, I believe both Brad and Michael were supposed to get shot which would of put both Michael and Brad into witness protection, and lead to trevor being arrested or killed, you can’t truly imagine Michael allowing himself to get shot like he did when he clearly knew he’d be walking into the ambush if he hadn’t believed what he said “Brads gonna be fine” I think if that hostage isn’t there that trevor grabs for a moment would of led to trevor being gunned down anyway, hence why the officers shoot blindly into the snow storm that’s rolled in, hoping to hit him after the hostage essentially saved him by being there

CsigaChad

1y↑20

1:01 "Witness protection for what? No one was convicted of anything." -Matto

AlexHeartfire

1y↑4

Nice to see another chatto

hariaaban107

1y↑57

The 2nd theory regarding Ryder is actually a FACT
The actor left the shooting mid game cuz of an argument
So Rockstar killed Ryder off

King Shibe

1y↑1

He got arrested

hariaaban107

@King Shibe the actor? When?

King Shibe

1y↑1

@hariaaban107 back when they were making the game.....

hariaaban107

@King Shibe ohhh

Lapgid Presents

1y↑1

@King Shibe same happened with lamar,s voice actor

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Iannn.0619

1y↑14

It’s kind of obvious that the bullet was meant for Trevor because Michael even hinted at it at one point in the game

Mr. Cage

37w↑2

It's not even a theory. It's heavily confirmed in-game.

The heist was Supposed to end with Trevor being shot and killed, Michael takes a Fake shot to assume death and then going into WPA(witness protection agency), and Brad Gets arrested.

However, Brad took the real shot and died, Trevor escaped.

Nathan Heyns

47w

About the theory of the ghost in #5: I think it was confirmed, or supported, that she is Jock Cranley's wife. There is also an in-game Internet article about her murder and dismemberment, adn something to do with the words, "Jock did it'. And you can find letter scraps scattered around the map that give a clue as to the mystery.

Ara

41w

The letter scraps were for the murder of Leonora Johnson who was killed by Dreyfuss

Skiggyz Da Skitzo

1y↑3

The Ryder theory was actually confirmed by developers. Rapper MC Eiht wanted more money n Rockstar said hell no so he quit. The dialogue in Pier 69 was likely older files or reused audio.

yessir

I've heard that Ryder's voice actor left early and they didn't have the lines necessary to finish the game with him as the "good guy". I think that this has been confirmed by Ryder's voice actor himself.

BaconProG.O.A.T Gaming

48w↑2

The last theory is true it was headed for Trevor so that Micheal and Brad could go back to Los Santos without being under heat with Trevor being known and wanted so they set up a plan with Lester and Dave(Micheal's FIB or IAA friend also the sniper who accidentally killed Brad).

Jay B

36w↑1

Brad wasn’t intended to get away, only Micheal. The plan was for Brad to be taken alive though, and Trevor to be killed.

TimTimAwesome

1y↑1

Big Smokes betrayal messed with me, my whole childhood I thought he was one of the good guys then as I grew older and actually decided to play and finish the game and learned he betrayed cj and the grove, it kinda hurt even though Big Smoke is still memeable. But As Big Smoke said at the end of the game "Everybody gonna remember my name Big Smoke, (final grunt/gasp)."

DR. FAHRENHEIT

1y↑1

I think the bullet Dave shot was actually meant for Trevor because the bullet was heading towards Trevor but Brad got in the way, It's proven in one scene after Michael escaped morgue, He told Franklin "The wrong guy got killed"

MIIIVideo

1y↑10

Claude Speed being Michael is a fun theory but I highly doubt it's just a dang coincidence they looks similar and in age but the personalities DO NOT FIT. Rockstar not making Claude talk is a good way to save money but it's also a strong personality trait imo. Plus I'd like to believe Claude is still with that spicy mama Catalina so he doesn't get bored lol. Also in GTA4 if you go in some apartment buildings you can find graffiti referencing old characters, you can find one that says RIP Claude :/

Tanya Flanagan

1y↑2

Claude speed and Claude gta 3 are not the same guy.

Claude speed is the protagonist of gta 2.

Claude gta3 has no last name(I doubt Claude is his real name anyway)

Two different characters.

Metalhead Madman

1y↑6

He's not Michael. Claude's in San Andreas too and is stated by CJ to be mute.

Lapgid Presents

1y↑4

there ain,t no way michael is claude

Kurt Paulsen

Small sidenote... Claude certainly would not still be with Catalina... She dies at the end of GTA III(yeah, I know, SPOILERS... But hell, the game is several decades old at this point...)

Robert Frazier

1y↑1

It's no doubt that the bullet is meant for Brad ( Even if Brad didn't walk in front of Trevor Brad gonna get shot anyway ). In some way the bullet never meant for Trevor. After Michael meant with Agent Norton ( Planning to have Trevor killed ) he thought that Trevor can be of use in the future.

Jarrage

1y↑2

its facts that trevor was meant to get shot

matthatter56

1y↑2

WEEB NINJA

The only hint we get on Ryder being a traitor is a I wanna say during the mission ‘drive thru’ while they were discussing the drive by that killed CJ, and sweets mom ryder says “they was going for sweet” and big smoke tries get ryder to shut up by saying “how you supposed to know that?” Then says some random big smoke shit 😂😂

Kyle Cooper

1y↑6

Ryder was probably going to die with sweet in that last fight in the parking lot. Because MC Eight said he recorded everything they asked of him so he didn't just leave because of pay

Nope Nope

1y↑2

I always thought Big smoke was just waiting for CJ so he could go with him to his mom's funeral. He was away for five years so they could catch up and talk on the way.

Nexus TV

I thought Big Smoke stayed behind to protect the house on Sweets orders.

TheADProdigy

1y↑1

Ryders betrayal doesn’t seem real. Like I heard it was issues with developers and actor. It makes sense because in the beginning he’s heavily in the game but after he “betrayed” he shows up 3 times. No spoken lines apart from one which seems edited massively from a earlier line he said in the story.

Joseph Billing

1y↑5

Supposedly Brad was never as dangerous as Trevor. A lil stupid and irrational sometimes Appearently. But he was more sensible like Michael. So Brad was only suppose to get wounded or arrested with Mike. But Trevor was meant to take the hit from Dave. it's Explained across the game. Was a lil hard to follow sometimes.

kirk jason beltran

So originally, brad is not even meant to die. Brad could have still reappeared in the main GTA V storyline but as a supporting character.

Joseph Billing

1y↑1

@kirk jason beltran Mhm if you look at the begining it was the fualt of Dave Norton who was aiming for Trevor but last second before he shoots Brad walks infront and then Micheal gets a grazing wound right after. That's why Trevor was meant to be the first one shot cuase he was capable of going crazy and ruthlessly slaughtering all those cops and fleeing like he did. Even if wounded he could probably still keep going from the ground and kill abunch of cops so he was meant to be the first one shot and the only one killed. One of Trevor's best freinds litterally took the bullet that was meant to kill him. It's cinematic poetry. That's why it breaks Trevor's heart to find Brad in the coffin instead of a random John Doe the feds took care of. he thought his buddy was atleast on the inside waiting to get broken out. Instead it was just Dave Norton Brad's killer manipulating him to keep a eye on him incase he finds out about Michael still being alive

Poetic Reflections

Fun fact, smoke was ordering for the whole car, they told him their orders first then he ordered for everyone

Chisszaru

35w

Trevor is the creepy uncle we always wanted to have, but never got, Michael is the father we all wanted, but most of us never got, and Franklin is the brother we all wanted, but never got. Man, the three of them are more family to me than my actual family. Considering i never had the ideal upbringing, with depression and suicide attempts, terrible parents, few friends, because most of my friends turned out to be jerks, or don't want anything with me to do, the need and want to have someone i can see as a father figure, and someone to treats me as a human, in a mother figure, several failed relationships, no wonder i see Trevor, Michael and Franklin more as a family than my own family. A dysfunctional family, but still a family

Ben The Cat

1y↑27

That first theory is just... no. It's already confirmed that the GTA V timeline is not apart of the GTA III timeline. GTA III, VC, SA, LCS, VCS, and ADV are apart of one timeline while GTA IV, TLAD, TBOGT, and V are apart of a completely different timeline.

𝔞𝔟𝔶𝔰𝔰 𝔧𝔲𝔪𝔭𝔢𝔯

1y↑6

Lol but Lazlow is in a radio station in every single GTA game and makes a cameo appearance in V for the first time. Explain that

David Parkes

1y↑4

He doesn't exist outside of the radio until 5. 5 is his first PHYSICAL appearance.

There's a difference between being a part of GTA's radio & actually physically appearing in game. It's not that hard to understand.

𝔞𝔟𝔶𝔰𝔰 𝔧𝔲𝔪𝔭𝔢𝔯

@David Parkes well the fact that he exists in all the gta's proves they're connected, despite rockstar claiming otherwise. just my take tho

KaitouKaiju

1y↑5

@𝔞𝔟𝔶𝔰𝔰 𝔧𝔲𝔪𝔭𝔢𝔯 Not really. It could very easily just be an alternate universe variant of the same character.

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LPAnimates

48w

I find it sad that Ryder was innocent the whole time, more so on why he was smoking a lot, if you think about, Ryder was only smoking when he was in SA, this could mean when Smoke brought him into his plan, Ryder couldn’t handle the pressure and then was slowly killing himself by smoking, or just to ease the thought

Cultured Squid

45w

The trio could also be :
Michael : Smooth criminals, they actually play the game and try to do their crimes correctly
Franklin : Likes the driving mechanics and just drives around the giant map
Trevor : Insane person that gets off on violence.
It's the three sides of GTA Players.

JΛKΣ🌏

1y↑2

I can confirm the ghost. I’ve actually gotten pictures up close on the mountain before but after getting too close she disappears.

Nexus TV

I never saw her up close but I saw her when I was flying over the mountain once

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Lil Lord Akira 97

1y↑53

How about the theory of what really happened in Floyd and Debra's Apartment after the screen goes black ?

Troy Martin

1y↑10

Trevor went crazy and murdered them.

Muhammed AR

1y↑28

Debra shot Floyd so trevor got so enraged he killed debra

JaiNova

1y↑13

Trevor liked Floyd an felt pity for him he wouldn’t have killed him but wat most likely happened was Debra shot Floyd whether he approached her wit the knife or not seein this Trevor attacked Debra presumably slamming her head into the window which is where the cracks an blood on it come frm then took the knife an continued to stab Debra’s body which is y he was covered in blood wen he left the apartment

Lil' Joji

1y↑1

The Professional made a video about it. Look it up, it's pretty interesting.

THEREALWILLIAMAFTON

@Troy Martin no Debra shooted at Floyd then trevor got angry then stabbed Debra 14 times

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Dean A. Ryder

1y↑5

There's a point in-game before Trevor shows up when Michael and Franklin meet on the outskirts of Los Santos post mission where Michael tells Franklin that ".... the wrong guy got shot". That was enough evidence for me that Michael arranged for Trevor to be shot by Davey.

Just a loser who loves Call Me Kevin

49w

I think Michael planned it out, trever will die and he will go into witness protection since the crazy friend is dead. But it got fucked up and Trever lived which is the plot we play.

Dean A. Ryder

49w

Yeah, hence the "Plan didn't work out as it was supposed to. The wrong guy got shot."

Мистер жёлудь ?

1y↑11

There was a mini-movie dedicated to Claude and he was killed by a killer. Michael can't be him

Gergő Piroska

37w

Miguel PasaMano

49w

Smoke was indeed waiting to kill not only Sweet but also CJ. Smoke told TenPenny and Pulaski when CJ was landing in Los Santos well in advance.

Coreysmith

1y↑1

in the mission where you snipe the O'Neils, you can use thermal and see a body shape that looks identical to Bigfoot, but once you zoom in it goes away

Miguel PasaMano

49w

Michael told Frank the wrong guy got killed which means Brad's bullet was meant for Trevor.

IndicaPlayz

the bullet was meant for Trevor. this was talked about between Dave Michael and Trevor at various points throughout the game.

Michael and Dave made a deal. Trevor gets shot and killed (he was too dangerous to be left alive, in case he was to ever figure it out. which he does). Brad goes to jail like planned and Michael gets the witness protection deal with Dave. Trevor even figures that out when he digs up Brad he literally says “so what? was it supposed to be me in the ground and Brad in jail?!” or something along those lines. Michael does not deny it and by that point we already knew that’s how things were meant to go down. Brad got in the way of a stray bullet, hence why Michael kinda freezes up and doesn’t know what to do once Brad was shot. because that wasn’t the plan. it likely would’ve been Trevor is shot and killed and then Michael and Brad would be forced to drop the weapons and cash. even tho Michael would just do it and tell Brad to comply. it’s really not a theory considering we get in game confirmation of what was supposed to happen.

Noah Dean

1y↑40

I think I love the Michael is Claude theory because Claude met another black person and that was CJ in San Andreas, so maybe meeting Franklin was like meeting CJ all over, that's why it look like they had a good friendship in crime Michael taught Franklin a few things, I don't know I hardly play GTA!

Billy Carter

1y↑4

This theory is bogus cause GTA 5 and GTA 3 take place in different universes.

jake

1y↑4

these theories are dumb cause claude has always been a mute so it would make no sense.

DirtyDev

1y↑3

Nigga,what????

just ain't feelin it

1y↑1

Even if they were in the same universe it still doesn't make sense. GTA 3 takes place in 2001. Michael's kids were probably born around 1995 or so

Christopher Courter

47w↑1

The entire fast food order wasn’t for smoke. The first part of the order was everyone else’s food. They looked at him like “damn fatass” cause he ordered 2 large 45’s. He DEFINITELY ate everyone’s food though avoiding shooting at the car 100%

2GunzMaxPayne

1y↑6

CJs first encounter with Smoke is BEFORE his mom's funeral,BiGG Smoke WAS at her funeral,when Smokes black truck explodes they were leaving the funeral

Joseph Bugeja

It was meant for Trevor, Trevor is the most dangerous person out of the two that is most likely to survive a direct open confrontation with the police & just with anyone in general. Trevor is unstoppable in a fight, only way he was going down is with a surprise kill shot.. 🧐

Caleb Jernigan

CJ definitely called out Ryder when he saw him come out the garage before smoke

Immortal X

The theory behind the Brad's shot was meant for Trevor isn't even a theory, it is just facts. Its explained when Michael has a conversation with Dave in a mission.

Molly

1y↑4

Is it just me whos trying to figure it out how Michael might be Claud? Michael was married and had 2 young kids - Jimmy being about 7/8 and Tracy being about 5/6 ish - back in 2005. Michael was also anywhere about 37-40 ish in 2005, whilst its speculated that Claude was about 30 in GTA 3 in 2001. It just doesn't make any sense - personally.

𝕷𝖎𝖔𝖓𝖊𝖘𝖘

1y↑1

Ikr

Emily 1997

49w

3:36 I have noticed this in the game! I play Franklin most of the time when I’m not doing missions because I like his driving ability and there was a shoot out between a random person and police and I helped the police but they turned on me. Done the same thing with Michael and police just drove off

Ironik Royalty

I feel like Ryders betrayal was always portrayed… he always had us doing missions for families that wasn’t grove. And at the time grove wasn’t cool with Seville and Temple drive but that’s where we always put shit after missions

Cameron Johnson

He was getting weapons for grove and stashing them in Seville hood doesn’t mean much when they was already buying guns off a Seville OG in Emmet

Ironik Royalty

@Cameron Johnson but grove was beefing with Seville, that’s why sweet was getting shot at with his girl. I get Emmit was on our side but I think thats cuz he knew CJs mom. Idk maybe y’all are right but Ryder always threw me off from the start

Cameron Johnson

@Ironik Royalty it’s implied by the time you get to Ryder’s missions LB and Emmet may have been negotiating with the other sets hence the big meeting temple was never aggressive anyway and Seville only attack in the one mission and to be fair sweet was trying them by fucking with the girl he knew what it was

theoriginldw

ryder not being an antagonist is not a theory but a known fact. his VO quit due to payment issues which explains why ryder wasn’t given any new dialogue during his last chase/mission & he isn’t mentioned at all during the green sabre mission and even after his death. (except for cesar telling cj about ryder wanting to be with kendl but that conversation was also short lived). it was a quick last minute change. it also explains why ryder met up with toreno, t-bone, & jizzy but wasn’t acknowledged correctly (cj’s dialogue was weird).

👑thatprettyboy707

35w

I was disappointed in the killing of Ryder. Thought there would be more of a story to that. Not just a snipe to the head

John Brazendale

39w

I think the 3 GTA characters fit into the theory that they’re influenced by Frued’s ‘3 egos’ much better. I’m not a psychologist in any way but I saw a video discussing this and OMG it makes sense.

John Brazendale

39w

Wisecrack did a video on this.

Gecko o

About the last one, I think that its pretty clear that brad stepped on the way of the bullet, also he was an idiot who was in the gang just because Trevor liked him and I think that that was the reason why Micheal betrayed them. Trevor wouldn't allow him to get rid of Brad and Brad would land them in jail at any moment, so the options were to disappear, to kill the members of his gang or to betray them, being the last option the safest bet and with the dead that he made, that would even allow him to keep his money.

Domiiinik

1y↑9

Half of these "theories" are obvious truth - it's obvious Big Smoke was killing time, it's obvious that Trevor was meant to be killed (I mean, look how Brad got shot, he was crossing in front of Trevor, so the bullet was intended for him, but Brad took it)

[HUN] Toma400

1y↑3

I'm pretty sure the ryder wasn't meant to be a villain theory was actually confirmed by rockstar too but correct me if I'm wrong.

EJSVideo

1y↑1

Not a theory, Ryder was never meant to betray CJ. As indicated in this video, it was a last minute decision and why his dialogue is weird in Pier 69.

Miguel PasaMano

49w

Smoke was indeed killing time and indeed orchestrated the drive-by at Cluckin' Bell.

Thanos_gaming

1y↑2

The ghost on Mount Gordo is the ghost of Leonora Johnson as there is a webside dedicated to her disapearence and you can actually solve her murder that happened on that cliff.

Gigivhdgxhcuv

Wrong there’s blood underneath the ghost written Jock

Thanos_gaming

@Gigivhdgxhcuv thats the murderes name

Jan Paul Schliemann

I thought it was confirmed that Trevor's mom was in prison but died Nd that's why he hallucinated her, regretting not being able to get her out of the prison

yaseen bshina

most of these theories have the answers for them in game. Claude isn't micheal, trevor speaks of their past in the gameplay and how they lived together in canada, and the bullet was meant for neither trevor or brad. micheal wasn't in witness protection, he planned this, he planned the death of his teammates.

War Hawk

I've played as Franklin alot in GTAV story and I haven't had the cops mess with me just for walking down the street or honking my horn. Lol

Ironik Royalty

1y↑1

As far as the drive thru mission. It makes sense and also him not shooting adds too it. But one thing that I think ppl miss is that he ordered EVERYONES food plus his own meal…. Duh it’s gone take a whilee when 2 of the dudes didn’t have their mind made up

Maurice Hamilton

That's doesn't hold up because big smoke does shoot at the ballas during the mission when CJ drives them all through the balla terrortory to do drive by every one in the car shoots including big smoke

Ironik Royalty

@Maurice Hamilton I’m confused on where you disagree with me. I’m only speaking on people being suspicious of the length of the order in the “drive thru” mission. He had to order everyone’s food

Maurice Hamilton

@Ironik Royalty I was just saying the him not shooting part because he definitely shoots at the ballas and I agree with ordering everyone's food part I've always noticed that since I first played it he says everyone else's order then his I've never understood what the big deal was with smokes order I've always known it was for everyone not just him

Francesco Pastorino

1y↑1

There's an Italian youtuber ~~Phanapton~~ that explains something about Trevor's mother and other misteries about GTA 5. His conclusions are the best and probably the best of all

Seinto Zedska

you can tell that brad walks right in front of trevor when he shoots

Konur Alp Yıldızkan

1y↑1

i have a theory about 3, vc and sa. i think these 3 games have their own themes, and characters move accordingly to these themes. gta 3's theme is love, gta vice city's theme is business, and gta san andreas's theme is family. antagonists are bad because they betrayed the themes of their games (catalina betrayed the love, lance betrayed the business and big smoke betrayed the family) and protagonists' storylines develope around their themes (claude's storyline starts with dating catalina and ends with dating maria, tommy did everything for the business, and cj's leaving his family in 1987 continues to haunt him). you can find examples of these themes when you think about other characters as well. secondary characters are connected to protagonists' themewise. (maria is claude's love interest, ken is tommy's business partner, sweet is cj's brother) we can say the same thing for the tritary characters as well (asuka, lance and cesar)

Mike Gee

1y↑1

As a kid I never understood why Smoke was in CJs house

Throw Away

Someone did a really in-depth analysis of the race relations with cops in V

and what they found was that there is actually a discrepancy for Frankin with LSPD cops and Trevor with cops in Blaine County

Suggesting that the cops somewhat discriminate against Frankin in LS and Trevor in BC

Max Hauser

1y↑1

Not sure if this counts as a theory but I recall seeing something on the GTA wiki that said San Andreas was gonna feature a series of missions that would have CJ work with Steve Scott (the porn director from Vice City) to sabotage a movie that Lionel Starkweather (the villain from another Rockstar game 'Manhunt') is working on. I couldn't find anything to prove the validity of that, especially because any mention of this was deleted from the GTA wiki. From what I can find, this started because there was a point on San Andreas' imdb page that credits Starkweather. I have no idea if that at all was true. If it was, I think it's a shame it was cut because that sounded like it would've been fun.

Zyphernetic

Trevor was meant to be taken down, Brad was supposed to be put in jail, Micheal was supposed to intentionally take a bullet to fake his death. Agent Norton and Micheal prepared for this, but with Brad getting shot, things got messed. So Dave went along with the plan to fake Micheal's death by shooting him, knowing that Micheal was wearing armor under his clothing. After Brad was shot, Michael openly let himself get shot not to raise suspicion of foul play and to continue faking his death as the police arrived to apprehend Trevor.

Thinking about it, If Trevor was taken down by Dave as intended, then Micheal would've been taken "down", as the police arrived,only Brad would've been apprehended and be put in jail with ease because perhaps Brad would've lost all moral to keep going if Trevor and Micheal are killed. But as intended, Trevor dead, Brad in jail with no knowledge of Micheal's betrayal of him faking his death. The plan was completely simple. The only person that would've known of Micheal would be Lester.

"It wasn't supposed to go down like this." Because it literally all went to hell.

GamerWolf

1y↑1

the bullet that shot Brad was meant for Trevor its explained in game and when you look at the scene we see Brad walk in front of Trevor and get shot and we hear the gun firing just 1 second after Brad started walking and Dave couldnt know Brad was going to walk and you cant react to something that is 1 second away from happening while you dont know it was going to happen plus why do people think the bullet was meant for Michael i mean Michael wasnt even near the bullet

Jackson Abel

49w

The way Michael talks about Brady through the campaign.. I believe Trevor was meant to die in the first mission of GTAV.

James Kippax

1y↑1

If you go up to the Mount Gordo ghost, you will see "Jock" written in blood until the ghost disappears

HughieTom #1

Big smoke ones are legit scary when u think about them.

scottieman2

1y↑2

In GTA 5 I think Trevor was the only one meant to actually get killed. Brad probably just gets some kind of prison time.

TThach

thats not a theory

TThach

it was already explained in the game

kirk jason beltran

If Trevor is meant to get killed, then Rockstar should have never made him into a playable character in the first place.. rockstar should have made brad into the playable character

TThach

@kirk jason beltran bro what 💀

titanusgodzillaa

@kirk jason beltran thats why its a game goofball lmao

AyanEditz

1y↑2

Claude is a charecter you can use as your father in gta online while making your character - he is not Micheal.

Miguel PasaMano

49w

Ryder was supposed to be a traitor but wasn't supposed to appear with Smoke with TenPenny and Pulaski and the Ballaz. Smoke threatened Ryder to get onboard with Smoke a couple nights before the drive-by on Orange Grove Street.

NuclearWinter

The Ryder one holds merit because they fired MC Eiht, his voice actor, mid development.

Allen Cruze

Ryder says “some people say they saw a green saber put in the work and drive away.” Foreshadowing and Smoke gets weird with this line and eats his food. And all of ryders missions are basically suicide missions for CJ. Na Ryder a buster for sure.

r97neaL

39w

The Michael Claude theory would never work for 2 main reasons: Michael was living in North Yankton for the time leading up to the prologue and Trevor said that he knew Michael from when they were in their early 20s(born in the late 60s), making them in their early to mid 30s by 2001