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JannetFenix

@El Halle Point you missed is that the horror of terminal illness touches not just the person in question but their entire surroundings. That's the horrible thing, how in the heartfel desire to care for child, her parents are aso deprived of their life. Her friends can not see her as human anymore. She knows everyone simply wishes for this everlasting torture to end. The horror of loving someone but realizing that tending to their progressing condition is so exhausting you wish it to end? Knowing, that the child is aware of it?

The "bigotry" IS personal. It's noone else's problem but the person touched by it. It doesn't change life of anyone but the one who has the problem and the problem CAN be adressed and dealt with personally. I'm tired of people bringing up the "buuh people get killed cuz of it" - they are not, at least not in communities that these works are adressing and not for reason of simple "inacceptance".

But let me stay on topic: there are more ways in which the point video tries to bring up is farfetched.

Slug girl starts healthy and withers away, and while her parents try to alleviate the symptoms, it's not them or her friends that are responsible for her state worsening and worsening. They simply cannot do anything about it because they're helpless against it.

She HERSELF wants the condition to stop. She doesn't want people to accept her "difference", she wants it to end.

Her condition is not problem because she isn't free to be who she wants to be; her condition is the problem, because slug issue takes away her dignity as human being and reduces to mere vessel, filled with slug and perceived only as it.

Her "condition" is not ignored - its just her condition takes away her entire humanity, because ebery action performed around her is done with the condition in mind.

And most of all, her condition is not downplayed as something that can be "fixed" or "will pass"; the sollutions offered by parents bear mark of the desperate means of those devoid of patience and hope.


I am tired of people seeing a thing and immediatelly making it about self-victimization, ego-obsession that strips the world of art and media from multitude of far more complex and mature concepts. This stencil simplification is what repulses me.



El Halle

@JannetFenix Dude, simply because someone does not agree with your opinion, doesn't mean it's repulsive.

If your going to use that point, I think it's repulsive to not understand that bigotry isn't something personal and closeted.

It is actually everywhere. People get murdered, assaulted and bullied daily for being who they are. Its so widespread it's honestly insane, and to be frank I would not consider it closeted.

It's hopeless to worry if you're going to die, or get bullied or assaulted for being who you are, maybe not as worse as terminal illness, but still fucking horrible.

I think you have a very good point about the story, but calling my opinion which is literally just interpreting something different than you repulsive was completely uncalled for and unneeded.

There are a lot of problems in this world, and just because you don't think the same about this one, does not change how bad the problem is.

Bigotry isn't just rejection. It's constant fear. Its the acceptance that people will never truly see you how you are. It's the fact that there is a chance that going out today might be your last day alive.

Clearly you've never educated yourself on how bad this is. I literally just got beat up a week ago for being non-white. I don't know who you are, but I'm taking a guess that you don't know how that feels.

Terminal illness is horrible, and I think your opinion is very intelligent and all, but calling my opinion repulsive and saying I'm downplaying terminal illness, yet you said bigotry is a closeted issue, is totally hypocritical to a insane degree.



C

@Jesus Christ
Oh, sure, sorry, didn't mean to make you feel uncomfortable.

And I mostly debate it because I enjoy to debate things. And art, in part, exists for its consumers to speculate about it. My reasons for debating it are probably much like yours and the reason why so many people responded to my comment with the intent of disagreeing and debating.

I can certainly understand wanting to see more representation and analogies to the transitioning experience, but I feel like projecting it onto stories that don't really have it cheapen it for other stories that actually do.

Take for example the Star Trek TNG episode "the Outcast" now that has some VERY strong, obvious and almost definitely intended LGBT+ subtext.
I would... not necessarily recommend watching it, however. In order to garner sympathies for the change the show wanted to bring and to have an emotional ending, it has a gut punching bad conclusion.



Benersan the Bread

I really can't see the Metamorphosis parallel to be honest. You yourself said that Samsa transformation isn't treated as otherwordly. In Slug Girl it clearly is! Her parents don't disgust and hate her, they're horrified by what is happening to their daughter. Her transformation is clearly painful and uncomfortable for her and it's not like they had any other options to help their daughter that they didn't try, they were desperate.
Showing her father grabbing her clothes out of the salt pile as an example of him "overstepping boundaries" seems like an especially massive leap. He was trying to find his lost daughter!


If anything it's a story about bullying. Her transformation is her trauma coming back to haunt her. I mean, if her parents had accepted her, slug included, then what? She'd still be unable to eat or talk. She'd constantly feel something crawling in her mouth or have to constantly keep her mouth open. If it is allegorical in the way you say it is, I don't think having the transformation be something that horrible and uncomfortable is a good way to express it.


And saying that it's a bit too cruel to just be about a horrible mutation is... odd to say the least. Isn't the obsession with Amigara Fault cruel? What about having your own head chase you, trying to hang you in that story I always forget the name of? What about being powerless to stop unending horror? The genre is horror after all.


I'm not saying that it's not, but I don't think dismissing the idea that it's not allegorical very fair. The details you said were "too anecdotal to be about a girl with a slug in her mouth" work just as well from the perspective you dismiss. Knowing that she fears slugs and has trauma relating to them makes the position she's in even more horrible.



Also, she ends up being even more slug in the end, how is that the nail that sticks out being hammered in? I'm going to be repeating myself but I really can't understand how it's a story about rejection when she wasn't even able to feed herself. That detail makes zero sense if the story really is about bigotry. It shows that she's literally unable to live on in the state she's in.



Nemo Windsor

Yeah, it’s not about being different. These things that happen to both characters aren’t things that they are, they are things that happen to them that understandably bring them shame and cause them to become recluses, imprisoned in their bodies and homes. The horror comes from them transforming and how they are treated afterwards, of losing their sense of self and humanity and becoming enslaved by the lowest of the lowest creatures - for Gregor, he becomes unable to fight off the mind of the cockroach, and for Slug-girl, she becomes a passenger on its back, sheltering its body while retaining her mind and losing her own body and mobility.

The cockroach is not Samsa, the slug is not Slug-girl. They can easily represent illness, mental illness, fears of inadequacy or becoming a parasite, but they aren’t integral parts of their personality. But people aren’t their mental illness. Being mentally ill isn’t who you are. The slug is a parasite, an invader. It steals her body. It is not Yuuko.

There are Ito stories that do explore the horror of being different in a society that values conformity. Many of them. But not this one.

The reason Yuuko scares the protagonist is because she’s afraid the slug is contagious. The slug, the parasite, has infected her friend. The panic and fear is an understandable disgust response and doesn’t work as an allegory for unfair social rejection. The slug certainly doesn’t work as an allegory for ‘being different’, but it does work as an allegory for illness. We are horrified at illness and designed to shun the sick - because that kind of behaviour protected us from contagion and parasites.

I just can’t get behind this take.



Chip Noir

The thing that really struck out at me is that the more they tried to diminish the "Slug" the less left there is of her besides the slug.
Because so much focus can be put on identity politics, people can be lost in a cause. They either start to become so ingrained in protecting that side of themselves that they forget how to exist beyond it, or others will only focus on that part of them and forget that there's an entire human being beyond it. I've experienced both sides. Being so boxed in by my fear of rejection as a young teenager, I often found myself introducing myself as gay as quickly as possible. Hell because I was so focused on that identity I couldn't even face my own biphobia, or my own actual identity as an andro-centric bisexual until much later after even coming out in the first place. I didn't have room in my life to think of or present myself as anything other than a gay male, for fear that that still very important part of me would be rejected, and everything else about me would be rejected wholesale along with it. I sleep with and fall in love with men, but that isn't the entirety of who I am. But it's important, and it';s threatened, and I feel a need to protect it even today.


On the flipside in social media, so often I find myself reducing other people based on just what kind of a political party they're in. There's no room for nuance in how I interact with much of the world online. All it takes is for one comment to feel threatening and more often than not I've been ready to write that person off as a given threat: That they'd vote against my safety, that if I met them in person they'd attack me. That their very existence based on a few lines of minimum context dialogue defines my impression of their value.



I am an Other, but I've also turned total strangers into the Other as well. I'm working not to do that anymore, but it's hard.



Manti Core

While I don't disagree with your Analysis of the Story, I do have a small Problem with it, though it could be that I just read too much into a Detail.

Also, to be clear, I'm not trying to be passive-aggressive or try to post a "Gotcha!"-Comment, it's a Detail that does bother me:

As I've said, I don't disagree that the Story is about being different in general. But it is clearly shown, that the Slug - the Thing, that makes Yuuko different - is clearly harming her, starving her as she can't eat and then, after her Parents tried to "cure" her, using her Head as a Shell, while she has to live on as a Head. (if she even is alive)

It's not the same as with the Protagonist in "Metamorphosis", where he could have had a somewhat happy life if Society wasn't so bigoted against giant Insects and just accepted him as he was.

In Slug Girl, Yuuko couldn't eat or speak (two very important things as a living Being and as a Human) due to the Slug blocking her Mouth. Even before her Parents tried curing her with Salt, the Slug was physically harming her in a way, that wouldn't have changed if Society was more accepting of People with Slugs as Tongues, as the Slug wasn't a normal Part of her Body and more of a Parasite or a Tumor.

While I don't think that Homo- and Transphobia or most Mental Illnesses don't fit into the Story at all (they do, if you don't look too hard at small Details like me), I do think, Junji Ito had something specifically in mind.

I'm thinking about People with extreme Illnesses, where they basically need to be fed and cared for daily and the Illness basically Hijacks their Bodies like the Slug does with Yuuko's Head. Nobody would want to live like this if they had the Option. And it still does fit with your Analysis of a Society that would rather see those People revert back to "normal" by any means or even simply make them disappear than them being cared for.

I personally worked briefly at Care Center for Children with Autism and one Kid (or better, Teenager) had an extremely severe Version of it - and even I, as an emotionally somewhat distant Person, was shocked when I realised that even the Workers there saw that Kid as more of a Burden (despite still doing their best to care for him) because he was so hard to work with and would harm himself within Minutes if not supervised every Second.

This was the Kind of Person I was thinking of, when you described the Story - a Person who isn't just different because Society doesn't want those People; but different in a Way that it harms themself even if Society tries it's best to care for them. And if left to less knowledgeable and understanding People (like Yuuko's Parents), Kids like him would be probably subject to the most cruel and harming ways of "Healing", left to be a Husk of themself if they even survive.



Seven Proxies

I've felt like a misfit throughout most of my life. But during my formative years, I guess I had the luck of being taught the lesson that "different" does not equate to "bad". So generally my outlook on differences have been that our differences makes the world a more interesting place to be in, and that by being different from other people I can at the very least contribute a different perspective to the group.

Sadly, I feel that the way the public political discourse is taking a wrong turn.

Instead of embracing being different, some political activists I have come to dislike seem to demand that their differences being considered "normal" by mainstream society. Usually with huge amounts of hypocrisy tied to it.

In general, I think it's wrong to try and force people to view you as "normal" when you're not. It makes the normies less amicable and accepting towards you.

My personal philosophy is more about being honest about my misfit status, but at the same time showing people that i'm not a bad or harmful person because i'm different.

And frankly, it works most of the time. Far better than making demands and calling other people bigots.

So my advice is this: if you feel like you're not "normal", then ask yourself: why would you want to be? Will "being normal" really fix your problems?



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Prabhdeep Singh

I have realized that what makes Japanese horror so creepy is that they unapologetically end their stories in a hopeless state where the protagonist is made to suffer even without their fault at all. Movies like Kairo, Dark water are such stories where things go from bad to worst. This type of horror stays with you for days after watching these movies or anime. It makes you think philosophically too which is rare especially in horror genre.

Scroto

@Fiction Lover What? Read what I said, I said that western horrow was a lot better than japanese horror in some parts, for example there is a good reason for punishment in western horror, the transgression of rules that should be left untrespassed, in japan there is not common to use that ( as far as i can tell)

Fiction Lover

@Scroto Japan godly, west bad, see it everyday lol

Scroto

Western horror is based in transgression, if yo do things bad you will get punished, japanese horror is different, in this regard i hold western horror as highly superior, but in othet things japanese horror is far better.

Prabhdeep Singh

@Mao Rutte I recently saw that movie. It was great.

Mao Rutte

You should watch Noroi: The curse

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Layuni Rocha

Although I think you can definitely fit mental health, sexual orientation and other ways of being “different” in the meaning of the story, I feel like it reflects more accurately terminal illnesses. My mom was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer and died one year later. I watched the whole process and this story reminds me so much of it that it’s become hard for me to even finish it. The repulsion (both from the patient towards themselves and the family members towards them, even though it hurts to admit this feeling), loneliness and hopelessness, not being able to eat and wasting away as a parasite consumes you and then becoming nothing but a shell to that same parasite... Sounds A LOT like cancer to me. It’s at least exactly what happened to my mom.
Maybe my own personal experience is making me too biased to analyze the story, but I think the idea of being consumed by a parasite with no hopes of recovering can be applied to a lot of other illnesses other than cancer. Like Alzheimer’s or even depression.

LJW1912

Yeah I imagined it as a terminal illness allegory as well

Entteri

No at least I agree. Exactly the same case here. Grandmother died of pancreatic cancer, and it was the same case. And now dad was diagnosed with colon cancer, that has metastasized to lymph node and liver. And exactly the same pattern. You slowly watch a person you love, dissapear from their body.. 😐

Diana G.

im so sorry for your lost

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