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coolelectronics

40w

there u go
See it comes down to knowing what you are doing, knowing your gear and knowing it's limitations.
Interested how big was the infinity?
12"
We have the 12" rockville sub, two 10" rockville tops and a 4channel siesmic head. I really do not see a problem with this system you mensioned karaoke, thas what we mostly do, and have used this outside even before we got the sub and played with a guitarist live.
As long as you know how to dile in the gear you can get enjoyable sound outa a soupcan if u so wish.
For the most part even some hobby DJing the gear I talked about we own works fine.
I will say though it could use a better head later down the road as money comes available to improve it perhaps
The tops and the sub aren't bad for what they were including free shipping.
Just don't go and expect a rave or rock concert event outa them sheesh

Tourino Jacks

4y↑2

I GREATLY appreciate your video here. I am new to the sub World but after watching your video, you have definitely given me GREAT food for thought! That being....

Our primary focus should be on getting THE BEST TOPS that we can afford to purchase, and then move into the sub-category afterwards. The better the tops, the better our financial investment will be.

As the saying goes: by NICE, or by TWICE.

We have equipment options in all kinds of various price ranges, but if we are SERIOUS about this craft of ours, we WILL definitely end up upgrading our equipment; hence, the better we START OFF with, the better the FINISH. (NOTE: You should make a video with thistheme. Just make sure you give me a shout out credits in the beginning and end. Thanks. LOL) #BEGINNERDJ #STARTOFFANDFINSIH #TIPS

I got it and get it. Thanks a lot for this video!

Gruvve

6y↑6

A sub won't add "a little bit" of bass. In Pro Audio applications for medium or big (but even small) venues a subwoofer is necessary, even decent speakers won't go low enough or loud enough, especially for DJ use where electronic music is the most used.

Also, 12" subs are a great starting point, you can find them for cheap and some brands make them small and light for portable use. Even a single or a pair of 12" sub will greatly improve the overall bass reproduction of your system.

650 dollars is not a cheap price to pay for beginner subwoofers, it's not a beginner price at all, you're already buying something from Mackie, DB, RCF, JBL, EV and others for that price way past entry level.
I don't even know why you would sell and get something even more expensive than that, better off adding another one or even get a complete 3 or 4 front stack of subs.
Again, buying expensive top speakers won't solve the problem, especially if you mount them on stands, that way you really lose that deep punch subs add.

Finally, there's not "Beginner DJ Subwoofer", a PA Sub is a sub, no matter what. Unless of course you buy Skytec china junk full of lights lol.

Edit: Basically, you have no clue of what you're talking about.

coolelectronics

40w

exactly
No need to overshoot if you are not going to be performing at a sound stage lmfao.
I have started tinkering around with some of the alto stuff and absolutely do not see anything wrong with rockville and seismic or even used horizon passive stuff.
I so far have been pretty impressed with the alto skeakers.
Cheap as dirt while still getting you a bang for your buck and not at all feeling cheap they are heavy and solid.
Stay away from pyle though they are a joke.
I mean a lot of companies exadurate the power but noone as bad as pyle.
Pyle just feels cheap over all imo
I mean maybe they have a few jems but not that I seen

Jay Allen

6y↑29

I have a real issue with most of what is said on this channel. And I will continue to say, anyone who blindly follows a person with limited experience will spend THEIR money in a wrong direction. It is a NO BRAINER, to buy the top end JBL, EV, QSC stuff and look like a genius. What gives you experience (valuable experience) is to take inferior equipment and make it sound like a million bucks. Anyone (and I do mean anyone) can take SRX 218’s and SRX 15’s and think they are entitled to make videos “educating” people.

I am not making this post to start anything. I am simply pointing out that not everyone has the means to buy 1500 X 2 subs with 2 X 1400 tops right from the get go. Example: If you purchased 2 of the Behringer 12” active subs, then 2 of the Behringer 15” active tops, no you are not going to do a show at Madison Square Garden, but for 90% of the weddings and parties that you will do – this system would do a yeoman’s job at 1400.00 from Sweetwater.

Before anyone reading this says “who the f*ck is this guy, I am no one. I don't have a youtube channel either. Why? If I need one to solidify my existence, then I am happy being no one. However, I have DJ’ed since 12/1980. I/myself have done over 1200 weddings, 2500 sporting events, and too numerous to count parties of all types. Plus, I have run sound for live bands. There is a craft that will educate you about sound. Until you have used passive cabinets, amps with crossovers, and EQ’s, I don’t want to hear about what you have done.

Fact: Still do this day, one of the rigs I own (I own 3) consists of:
2 X CV Subs (the predecessors of the INT-118s)
2 X CV tops (the predecessors of the INT-152)
2 X Crown CE2000 amps
Behringer FBQ3102 EQ with a built in cross over.
Buy the NEW stuff
CV 118s are 299.00 each
CV 152’s are 279.00 each
FBQ3102 is 149.99 (and this is the NEW “HD” part number)
The Crown CE 2000’s on Ebay are 250-300
Add it up = 1906.00 total

I have used this set up for 500 kids in a high school gym. Heavy bass (techno and rap) and I was told on MULTIPLE occasions that it was “too loud”. I have used this as mains FOH for a band in a medium sized venue. The difference is understanding how to use the equipment, manipulate what you have, and “learn” that you don’t just plug it in and it’s all good - as is the case with the majority of “active” speaker DJ’s. ***I will put this old “junk” up against any new system consisting of 2 X 18” single sub cabinets, 2 X 15” horn 2 ways, indoors or outdoors. YES. I have 1 smaller set up. Yes. I have 1 bigger set up. It is called the right tool for the job. My other 2 set ups are active, I am not against them, it is the way it is done today. Just don't get sold snake oil because a guy has a bunch of videos.

Good Luck & Have Fun!

Jay Allen

6y↑10

Sir:
Using 2nd grade remedial math. You are 21-22 now. 8 years ago. So you DJ'ed when you were 13 or 14? And you think that what you learned then translates to anything useful? A 13-14 year old has a clue about - well - nothing.

Don't back up on your comment now. You are concise on your message and you have a following that you are misleading. Period.

As I said, you "could" spend 1400.00 at Sweetwater for the Behringer rig I outlined, and for 90% of the weddings or parties a person would do, that rig would do a decent job. How do I know this?

True Story. About 3 months ago I get a call from a young man whom I trained. He owns this exact set up. He was doing a 25 year class reunion in a hotel banquet room. He could not get enough sound during his sound check and he called me for help. I grabbed my parametric EQ rack, my laptop, and my Pioneer board. I used my junk with his audio. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, that was more than enough sound for 300 people. Would I buy Behringer? No. But here is a classic case where inferior gear was made to sound awesome. Those 12" subs for 299.00 with the right cross over point and low end table, were really not bad.

To educate a person or a group of people, then you/yourself must be educated. You lack the overall fortitude to educate, especially when you attempt to lead a blind following down an unnecessary road.

If you want to come on YouTube and say "this is what I have" and then say "it does this", then that is GREAT! But you point blank on MANY videos say "do not do this". Absolute statements like that are no bueno!

Or how about on one of your "Gig Logs" when you talk about your paying customers in a negative sense? Your one video about the "biggest wedding" you had done when your laptop took a shit, afterwards you openly talk negatively about the people that handed you a check.

That sir is beyond unprofessional.
I do not have to resort to YouTube and justify my existence.

Cracking open a Mt Dew energy drink
Eating Wendy's on camera
Talking smack about paying customers
Criticizing Serato when the issue was you
Bitching about requests

Professional by millennial mentality I guess.

I had no clue this channel existed. The link was sent to me by a group of sound Professionals and they were laughing about it. So I thought what the hell. I can see why they were laughing!

Let it go.
Walk away.
Let this be done.

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Valentin Gheorghe

3y↑7

In my opinion, if you're mixing or playing music, you need at least two subwoofers in order to achieve good low frequency spread and consistency. If for any reason, you consider that the low frequencies are not good enough you should consider adding more low frequency drivers to what you already have and daisy chain them. It is important to ensure that the low frequency drivers are able to play the low end frequency spectrum, between 30 Hz and 100 Hz, at consistent levels, set the crossover frequency correctly in order to avoid cancellations and position the loudspeakers for good coverage and linearity. At the end, most importantly, pay close attention to the gain stage process in order to help the tops and subs system to deliver the full rated power.

Saharat | Joey Gates

Crossovers are so important to get the right sub sound

DJ Rukus Vibe

5y↑7

Running 2 Eurolive b1800D-Pro’s for a while. Added QSC like casters to the backs and voila! A decent rig that’ll last at the rate of events and venue sizes that I’m able to handle near term. Going with KW181’s to complete a full QSC setup in the future. Loving this advice Rick. Like other posters..many have to crawl before we ball!

Rat Ghost

2y↑9

I have always used subs with my system no matter how small or large the venue ---- even as a beginner DJ going way, way back to the late 70's (kelsey mixers & voice of the theater days!). No. 1 it sounds far better and full range with the subs hooked up. No. 2, it's much safer for your equipment and far more efficient to be able to roll off the deep low end from your tops and move them to the subs. And it's a subwoofer not a car so who really cares about the resale value. Like all equipment, especially speakers, it's all gonna get beat down the road.

Patxi Lebrancón

4y↑17

when it comes to add subs to a PA, I think in terms of adding clarity to the sound by splitting the signal in different loudspeakers, to make each of them work less stressed, and by supressing intermodulation distortion. Once that done, is easy to make all the system give its best. If you haven´t been able to get a cleaner and punchier sound even with the use of some entry-level subs, perhaps the cut frequencies were not correctly selected for the different venues, or the level were not correctly set. I asume you have always checked not to have any phase cancellation. My experience comes from 30 years playing gigs as a drummer, and the same amount of time working as a part-time sound technician (I wouldn´t dare to consider my self an "enginer")

H.O.S._bandit

What this guy said.👆

Jeph Bennett

4y↑13

Depends on your venue, crowd size, and budget. When I booked a 150 person karaoke gig , but had no PA (and no money to invest/rent), I used my Behringer Studio monitors (185w each) and bought a used $60 infinty home theater sub (350w). Along with a cheap Alesis mixer & a Shure beta58 I grabbed from my home studio, I was able to run a decent show, and made $500 to put towards better gear. #YGDWYGD
Always buy cheaper gear used, never spend $600 on a cheap sub. buy a $300 alto/behringer on offerup/craigslist for $125, test carefully before buying, always keep it below max so you don't damage it, then when you upgrade, either resell it for the same money or keep as a back up.

coolelectronics

40w

ObanHighlander

5y↑2

Completely agree with you, unfortunately I made the same mistake, 18"Behringer active subs, 49kg each and a pig to move and store, the SPL was also way overrated and not what I hoped for, I sold them for a fraction of what they cost me after almost breaking my back moving them, I had 15" Behringer tops and the set was struggling to produce decent levels for 100 people, now I have RCF ART712a's and RCF Sub905a Mk2 hugely more powerful and better sound, and they are not shocking expensive either.

Eric Morton

6y↑89

I have the Behringer Eurolive B1200D-PRO 500W 12" Powered Subwoofer that use for events of 50 to 150 people and from my experience, this sub has performed very well. It has a smaller footprint than my larger JBL JRX218SP 18" Powered Subwoofer that I use for larger events and I find that it supplies a “clean” and “deep” bass sound all for the price of $300.00. Cheap in price, but from my experience, NOT cheap in quality or sound.

Cori

6y↑6

Eric Morton I have the B1800D-Pro they are Heavy but they Rock I've had them over 5 years

Bowie Entertainment

6y↑12

Dude... I have the 12's and an 18. People want to buy them from me all the time. The 12's are so portable and give a nice low end. Great piece for like $300

brianreynolds188

6y↑3

Lol guessing he’s a professional sound engineer lol not

Mustafa hasan

5y↑3

Yah ive seen some great reviews on that behringer subs 12" and up. Very cheap too! Thinking of buying those :D

Beavis13

5y↑4

I Bought one last year,still have it and i LOVE IT ! (B1200D) Usually,i hate Behringer products,but this sub is great.

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DJSUNDOWN

4y↑26

I run Harbinger v2315's and I must say they are easy to transport and they are easy to setup. I've done 200-300 person weddings with a set of these no issues and only cost me $600 for speakers, stands and wires. I have to thoroughly disagree. Not everyone has the money for $10,000 setups.

molotow

hey, Im thinking about buying them, are they still good? and did you also bought a subwoofer or u have only this 2 speakers

Gatchman Phoenix

@molotow I have the Harbinger 2315’s. I love them. More than enough sound to rock any crowd. You won’t be disappointed.

lkjyuiop

I got the 18” in my living room

Daniel Guzman

I bought the same Harbinger set: the two 15” mains and the one 18” subwoofer. They sound amazing, but I cannot fit the subwoofer in my car. I am considering buying the 10” mains with the 12” sub, and returning the ones I have. Would anyone recommend the smaller set or should I keep the ones I have, and just get a truck or SUV instead?

Gatchman Phoenix

@Daniel Guzman I say keep the 2 tops and just get a 12 for the sub. It will still give you a great rounded sound. I know, because I do it myself, and I have an 18 inch sub, 12, 10, 8 for any occasion.

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Weese Bowski

6y↑1

As always.... thanks for the great content! I’m a local DJ back home helping in gymnasiums and on the football field as the entertainer, this info helps a lot! I had a beginner sub with my old sponsor and we rarely used it honestly and it’s so hard to sell now!

A DJ's Thought

6y↑1

Great channel! I do disagree however. I don't think you should neglect the "fun part" with upgrading your beginner setup. An extra sub will give you the opportunity to learn and think about speaker placement etc and what that does to the sound. In the picture you used in the video, almost all subs will suck. If I put our "best" subs in that location, up on stage, in the middle, with a lot of space behind it, they will "suck" as well. Tried it just for fun and they sounded like some $800 subs, only louder :) Oh, they are 4x DVA S30 from db Thechnologies. Keep up the good work my good mate!

DJ Rick Web

Good point you do learn a lot

Tourino Jacks

4y↑2

uk7769

5y↑60

I run that small $300 Behringer sub, running a live band through it, and it adds a lot! It fills in the bottom just fine for small venues. Including running the bass player through it. You need to know how to setup your PA and the mix.

Jerrard Beasley

3y↑2

I have that $300 behringer sub and thinking about getting a second one. It is great for me considering I have a small car and most of the gigs I do are under 150 people. Its about building your system for a specific purpose and know its limits.

Spire Sound & Light

3y↑1

@STRONG MAN VIKASH Behringer have made plenty of shit in their time, but their good kit is great for the money. Case in point; DCX-2496 speaker processor, X32 Digital Mixer, the Wing...all very good kit for the price. I can't comment on their speakers, but I've had several items of rack gear over the years; I wouldn't have a Behringer Amplifier as a gift though.

Spire Sound & Light

3y↑1

@STRONG MAN VIKASH TBF he does have a DBX drive rack, but doesn't use it to its full potential.

CRISPA1

3y↑2

@Justin Murta These new DJs' don't know how to use an Eq, so they buy the top of the line subs from JBL, QSC, RCf, etc etc. and be done with it. And they still complain at times that it does not sound good. USe a good Eq, and learn how to use it properly.

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Gruvve

6y↑6

Plasma_Node

2y↑1

yeah I like rick but this is just not true. Even with loud high end tops, a single 18" sub can really make a big difference.

Gruvve

2y↑1

@Plasma_Node Yep, I've been gigging for about a year now with a set of ultra cheap RCF Art310s and a couple of dB SUB615s, there was no point in selling the RCFs and buying better speakers, it would be more expensive and it would never have had the same effect soundwise.

A subwoofer is always a subwoofer, you just need to understand how to use it and place it

Rafael Hernandez

45w

About to say.. how is a JBL EON 18' now a days 2023 adding a "little bit of bass." Tried one at a small bar and it made the Music that much better. It does cost $1k so I don't think these things are "beginner" either. This I believe falls more under the professional Subs.

Dinesh Jonas

6y↑7

To me the trick is to know that you can't expect miracles from beginner subs. I have one and I use it for small events 120 people or less in enclosed spaces only. I bring out the JBLs and Yorkvilles for the bigger stuff!

Skrutinizr

6y↑2

Truth. A pair of cheap subs with good amplification/eq/crossover settings can get the job done. Durability is the biggest concern, but spl and sound quality can be on par with more expensive stuff- it just takes more effort in the configuration.

Jonathon Wardlow

6y↑1

You should define the difference between a beginner subwoofer to a subpro to pro line of subwoofers. I currently have some PRX518s which in my mind are sub beginner but could be considered pro 10 years ago. Now I am planning to either get some SRX828s or RCF 8006's. Must say the RCF's are very powerful. I currently have 2 SRX 835ps

DJ Rick Web

6y↑1

Get the rcf. I have heard them side by side and the JBL at least srx isnt as impressive as the rcf. That said the price also reflects that difference. Lol

DJ Rick Web

Oh and sub pro subs is tough because there are so many dann brands and models out there.... and I for sure can't listen to all them

DirmeyerNFL

6y↑19

I have always loved my RBG18s. $399 for an 18" is an amazing deal. Sounds great and is punchy. For the price I can't complain

juan carlos medina

2y↑1

Rockville subwoofer right? Still working?how is the bass is ok or great ?

DirmeyerNFL

2y↑1

@juan carlos medina good sub. Very decent on a budget bass cabin.

Austin Robinson

I am someone planning on building a mini rig soon no expert at all, but I come to a different conclusion after researching this subject for a while, to me it seems that active subs are way less hassle, less gear to lug around, and much more professional looking once set up for someone getting their first subs for smaller events just starting out and that trade off is worth it to be up to date equipment and less hassle during set up. If I'm not planning on immediately upgrading for a couple of years active/powered subs seem to be the way to go from everything I have read and after speaking with multiple people who do live/pro audio set up for a living. Definitely please correct me if I am wrong but I see the benefits of active outweighing the benefits of passive for a beginner

Camilo Apostol

Agree hands down. Started off with a 12” Harbinger, sold that before i could blink. Then upgraded to 1500 watt 18” Vari series (guitar center), sold that. Ended up with 2 18” jbl prx series. Love em!

Bob Wallace Jnr

4y↑4

I have 2 x Mackie Thump 12" 1000 watt tops and I pair with 2 x 500 watt Behringer Subs..They make such a difference because they take the strain out of the tops and allow for more high end and vocals.

Andrew Torka

Hey Rick, I'm personally looking at a Behringer Eurolive 500W B1200D mainly because it seems to be the most compact sub I can find. I am just going to be a solo singer/guitar act but just my mains aren't producing as full a sound as I want. I don't have a truck so compactness and portability is a big concern for me. Thoughts?

tadman3

100%agree i would only get a beginner sub if it was to stay home for use in production. buying a PK Klairity 18 was the best move i ever made. $3500 1000 watts down to 28hz ill never have to upgrade unless i want to get bigger. my deciding factor was freq response. Look for subs with power-soft technology

tadman3

function one is also a really awesome brand

WhiteFeather

2y↑4

True Valid Points. Tops are key. In a band at small venues you don't need subs, you need good tops. EV Mackie JBL are a start. I personally use Active EV 12"s w a Yamaha MG12 Board. I use a 15" Mackie Thump as a Wedge/Monitor. One day I may look into JBL.

MQ Party

6y↑4

I wish I would have seen this video about 3 years ago! You are right on, as I upgraded my tops, my subs became obsolete. I have learned to wait a little longer and save a little more to invest in great gear. Keep up the great videos!

Shane Cashin

4y↑1

I wonder if advice like this can only be appreciated once you've gone down the same road as he did. I know had I been at the beginner stages, all I would want to do is buy a set of something, just to be in business. Its like a 50 year old saying to someone half their age, It will happen to you someday thinking they will listen. There is just some advice that will rarely if ever followed until they learn and are repeating the same thing to another beginner.

coolelectronics

40w

it really depends on what aplication and how you are using the gear
It really comes down to the engineer behind the mixer you can make a 200bucks skeaker sound great if u know what you are doing
Im not saying its going to beat qsc or crown or whatever but it will get the job done and if you dont go and overdrive it and know it's limitations it should last u a while
If you are a singer with a backing track the budget subs will for the most part be able to get you by for smaller to medium size venues
Even for DJing smaller events like family and friend parties,
Hobby DJs really tryin to make a few bucks

johgus96

5y↑6

I think it all depends on what you want to achieve... not everyone needs or wants to be hosting events with 300+ people at rock concert levels of base. Of course more expensive subs are vetter duh, but you don't always need the best. Just something that's good enough.

coolelectronics

40w

Cade Perry

6y↑2

Completely agree. Buy cheap, buy twice! I dont even look at subs that are less than $1000 anymore. I have EKX subs and they are decent, gonna get an all ETX setup soon.

Tour ni Frank

I beg to disagree. I've been using two 12 subs and they are just fine. Even used them for bands. It's knowing how to use them. Love my 12 subs, easy to use and transport. I used them to rock a lot of parties. Not a beginner here but using a beginner subs, if that's what you call them. Peace!

Alex Turner

5y↑1

Gotta say after watching this video, after buying a couple smaller tops, which, was a mistake based on another online video; I read the comments. This is the day that reading the comments was the best idea. I went out and bought a Behringer sub. Best decision I made. Totally saved the day, without the sub, the tops lacked any punch, it was sad. With the sub, it sounded so so much better! Maybe if you start with good 15” tops, but with the smaller once I have, the sub works great.

Goldteeth TV

2y↑1

I have heard memorable gigs with these subs JBL or Eurolive. I cant fault these, maybe its how you were setting them up and where you were using them. I now have four bins and six tops 15 and 18 eons and l love this kit to bits. Yes the bassbins break my back but l dont know what-else is lighter🤣 But deviced a trolly system to help me. What tops do you recommend? But my sound seems solid

Isaiah Furrow

6y↑1

I have to disagree to some extent. A beginner should definitely research a good bit before they purchase something, be it a controller, laptop, mixer , lights, speakers, etc.
My first PA choice was a pair of ZLX 12P powered 12" tops, and a single ZXA1 sub. I went I to this purchase knowing that it wasn't going to be chest pounding bass, and that at some point I was going to buy a pair of larger subs for larger venues or for outdoors.
I won't be selling the ZXA1 Sub, I will keep it for smaller events. It adds nicely to the fullness of the sound and is great for small spaces and for the mixed genres of music I play for many of my gigs. It is small, easily stored, easily transported, and easy to move for one person. It serves the intended purpose very nicely.
It WASN'T an inexpensive sub by any means, and I could've gotten something larger, and possibly louder, for the same price... but I did research, put thought into it, and got what I wanted and something that is high quality and will still fit into my sound system as it grows into what my long term goals include.
I will be buying more ZLX12P tops, for backup and wider coverage and all sorts of uses, they're good, versatile speakers...
they will eventually make great monitors and fills for my larger system.
I'm looking to eventually have 5 ZLX12P tops, 2 EKX 12" powered tops, the ZXA1 sub, and 4 EKX 15" Subs... That will make for a nice, versatile, and scalable system. Next purchase will be the first EKX sub...

Lasley Media

6y↑25

I have to disagree on the higher end Rockville 18" sub. I've used them live and they pack a punch at their rated power. Same for the high end Behringer, they sound great although they don't have a ton of power. Other than that on the other points I will agree.

DJ Rick Web

6y↑3

I didn't say higher end. I am talking beginner. The cheapest of the cheap.

Spencer Random Guy

6y↑5

Lasley Media "high end Rockville"... I've got a couple of those and I'd hardly call them high end 😂😂

DJ Rick Web

6y↑7

To ones opinion is there own. I used to think JBL prx subs were a lot of bass then I heard some concert touring line demos. God damn. You don't know bass til you hear a 36 dual 18 cabinet array.

MAaDmUm

6y↑2

DJ Rick Web or Like 16 Turbosound tse 118 in a Club ...

Erik Britz

wouldn't these small subs be fine for small as hell events i mean 15 to 100 people at max?

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vestaxpmc17

4y↑1

Alto black 18. They don’t make them anymore, but they are still out there (but they’re not cheap). If you can find them in good shape, you can’t go wrong. My black 18s Shake ballrooms. Totally agree with this guy about avoiding beginner subs. Save your pennies and get something nicer with a 4” voice coil and some real performance.

True Story

3y↑2

Typically the larger the sub the lower the Frequency, so I would recommend getting a sub 18” or larger to hit those 30-50hz... most tops only go as low as 45-55hz

Dellwo Studios

3y↑3

Depends on what your gigs are, I guess. A 12" powered sub isn't going to rock a club or outdoor festival but I can DJ indoor weddings all day long. I've done up to 300 person weddings outdoors as well. Just set your system up right in relation to the dance floor and absolutely no one will complain about your bass for these kinds of gigs. I've definitely made my money back many times over without killing my back - plus my whole system with lights will fit into a Hyundai Elantra.

Plus, when I'm not gigging it integrates into my home theater flawlessly. Full disclosure - my B1200D-Pro did recently suffer an unknown electrical problem and won't power up after three years of use. If I can't fix it, I'll rewire it into a passive subwoofer. Problem solved.

coolelectronics

40w

I got my mom the rockville 12 powered sub for her birthday now I am tempted to go and buy my self a pair of the 10s to pair with my alto 8" tops and put in my surround system.
The 10s go for very little used and Id love to some day find a good deal on a cheap behringer one
I had the behringer ultratone 10" pa/keyboard amp and that thing kicked ass and lasted me about 10 years or so until it developed an audio problem

Fah-Q

5y↑3

Not a beginner DJ by any means but thanks for the advice about these subs. Have never had the need for them at the small things I’ve been involved with. About to try different things and have need for a sub.

Mitch Colen

6y↑3

Don't totally agree with you on this one. Behringer subs pack a-lot of punch for the price and in my mind are worth the investment. Also, higher end Rockville subs are CRAZY loud with good quality 18" subs and a well made wooden box on them. Although I do agree that higher end subs, such as QSC KW range and JBL VRX range are really good, cheaper alternatives are still worth it.

coolelectronics

40w

I have rockville 12" powered sub I got for my mom for her birthday.
She does caraoke and I borrow it for DJing.
Not bad

Hen-Dogg

4y↑3

This is all Facts! I almost bought a beginner subwoofer until I tested them out and used my homeboy 18" QSC powered sub. It was way better than all those other subs. I bought Peavey DM 115 tops because I already knew to go with large tops because my Dad was a DJ in the 80's.

VoyageOne1

4y↑2

Nothing wrong with a little bit of bass to add clarity and roundness to a system. I say invest in good 12" or 15" mains and rent in a sub if it's absolutely necessary

LifeOfSpecs

6y↑2

I own 2 JBL EON 518s Subwoofers and I can partly agree only because if you own one it doesn't perform as well as if you had 2 , obviously.
I owned both at 2 separate times and totally did not know how to handle/manage the levels of a sub and blew them both out on 2 separate occasions , so my best suggestion is before purchasing any subwoofer learn the how much it could put out & handle before you potentially destroy it and break the bank on repairs.
Besides that I've had no problem with how they perform JBL is the way to go.

Thanks for the tips !

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SuperEmanuel98

6y↑3

I own a 518 and got my amp removed so I can use a better quality 1500w amp. I run mine on about 1200w and it handles it all day and night. I can easily fill a 1000 square foot room with a uncomfortable amount of bass using only one sub. Only reson you blew yours is because JBL throw in cheap amps. The coil is the same as some of their higher end subs and it is rated for 1000w rms while the stock amp is only 500w and that is why them break. I have never ever managed to break a speaker with too much power. I once even tried putting a 450w amp on a 60w speaker and giving it all it had. It started to smoke but after letting it cool down it was good to go again. That was a cheap 10$ china speaker. My point is that I think you are much better of buying a passive system instead of a lot of bulky cheap active subs. The amp adds more to the sound then the speaker itself. I have tried using different priced amps on a 3000$ hifi speaker setup and changing the amp made a bigger difference to the loudness and sound quality then actually changing the speaker, even tried a 20,000 $ hifi speaker, no real clear difference with the same amp but different amp made a hell of a lot difference.

DJ Rick Web

Yeah I was aware. A lot of manufacturers use the same drivers in the cheap speaker as there best ones. Passive is great dont get me wrong. For some it's a little confusing though. And for people like me passive is just not convenient with my mobile setups.

SuperEmanuel98

6y↑1

I also think that the internal crossfader is set to 150hz if i remember correctly. That sub sounds best whith a 12db/oct set at 67hz. Evertything else is just a waste of power at the spectrum your tops should handle fine

Alex

Anymore details on this?

Skrutinizr

if someone is confused by how to use passive speakers with amps, maybe they chose the wrong line of work. mobile setups are easy- you need some gear anyway, so a pair of 4U amps isn't going to make a big difference. I run two Crest 3.0DSP and an Ashly Protea eq/crossover processor and the stack can fit on the passenger seat of my car if I need it to... but the power is clean, clear and will stomp the piss out of any active setups I've seen.
If you're going to admonish people not to buy lower end speakers, then go half-assed yourself- no credibility. A cheap sub, well processed, can get you about 80% of what a sub costing 5x+ can do. It's a trade-off, but they can fill a niche.

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Dj Jay Book

6y↑4

Man I can agree with that!! I have a beginner Mackie 15 ' subwoofer that blew about 5 yrs ago and it is literally collecting dust in my Garage!!! Very Very Tough to sell!

Jerrard Beasley

3y↑2

Any blown speaker is going to be hard to sell.

DL

6y↑3

As always, love your videos man. Thanks for putting out content all the time!

photorooster

6y↑1

I bought gear for performances by my grandchildren who have a garage band. My son who has much more stage experience gave me the same advice concerning subs. He said you get just as much cranking the stage bass amp up a bit more then buying PA Subs. He also advised the same as you, spending the money on the PA mains where it does the most good. Thanks for confirming this! In your experience what Mains give you the most signal range bang for your buck?

DJ Rick Web

6y↑1

Absolutely. Until you get to the point of providing sound for over 200 people mains are the way to go.

photorooster

6y↑1

Any recommendation on a good set of mains with a nice signal range?

DJ Rick Web

6y↑1

Mr Photorooster any 3 way
cabinet will give the best overall freq response. Depends on gu our budget mainly. I recommend watching my top powered speaker video if you havent already.

photorooster

DJ Rick Web just checked it out. I don't have much use for Bluetooth and will be using a mixing board. Looks like $500 ea and 1000 peak 400 RMS is the sweet spot.

DJ Rick Web

6y↑1

Yep. You said something about a band. If it's for a band I would go JBL. Only because they are the best at having a flat response right out the box. Makes eq for bands easier

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Rohit Goswamy

6y↑11

I have a pair of Rockville RBG 15in powered subs and they work great. I run them with my EV ELX-115P tops and I have yet to have an issue. Only thing I struggle with it carrying up stairs

Preach CEO

2y↑2

I been Djing for over 30 years and I have tried the Rockville products and am very impressed with their products.

mibnixon

@Preach CEO same here ive been using Rockville Powergig speakers, mikes, Amps and headphones for years never had a problem with them, but so many people claim they're crap, I don't have a rockville sub though I do have two velodyne subs I bought on Ebay and they slam! I don't know man maybe The Mackey and electrovoice subs have little musical notes floating above them?

Bradley Hawkins

@Preach CEO I've been a strip club dj for 27 years' and have done some radio,I just returned to the clubs after some medical issues and a good friend buying and remodeling one here in phoenix, they have four of the rockville 18's and they sound just fine, we did add a piece of software an audio enhancer to our cpu which gave us great control over them too.
if I had my choice though id go back to passive speakers with a rack control and amps,so much easier.
and you don't have to worry about the cleaning crew shutting breakers off and damaging them.
which just happened a few weeks ago.
I think the people complaining don't quite get speaker placement and audio settings like gain and Fletcher Munson

Doug Winters Music

Rick: I truly appreciate your honesty, and I'm looking for a sub that's 15" running with two DXR Yamaha Tops. I can only afford one and wanted your solution to my issue. KV makes one, Alto makes one and RCF looks pretty cool. What's the best option (size/portablilty/weight are a definite issue..I'm old. I trust your opinion. Help!!!!!!!!? Thanks

Dick Fantastic

My philosophy behind a subwoofer is the same as the good Dr. Hsu, "You cannot have too much subwoofer". It can always be turned down, but not up louder without distortion, so get the loudest one you can afford and figure out how to pack it around. I'm planning on going with a 24" Sub from Stereo Integrity and putting it in a custom box from DIY Sound Group tuned to 20Hz. It's going to need a true 5000 watts, so I'm planning on an amp from Speakerpower to give it that with an amp rated to deliver all 5000 watts all the way down below 20Hz. None of this will be cheap or relatively easy to pack around, but it will add thunder down under, and a 24" subwoofer isn't something you see every day so it can be a part of the show as well.

831 fpv

Wow how did that turn out sound awesome 👌

bitter X

this (and dj Barr's review of the DRM line) swayed me away from buying heavy beginner subs. the EV might not be louder but it sho is lighter which is definitely worth the price.

Jay Allen

6y↑29

H-bom Lord Gellys

6y↑2

Jay Allen
Well said fella I can't be bothered to write a comment explaining coz when don't know, you just don't know, when acquiring a sound system set up its not just about plugging it in and turning the volume up

DJ Rick Web

6y↑1

Addressing this comment this video isnt an absolute nor is it to say that someone cant make a cheap rig sound good. Or as you are talking passive rig. This video was to address the 200 something questions I have received over the last 3 months asking about buying cheapo powered subs.

I see where your going with learning passive rigs and proper equing you can make just about anything sound really good. I know I used to do it when I first start with my high schools cheap passive gear for school plays 8 years ago.

Jay Allen

6y↑10

DJ Rick Web

6y↑2

Nah because you dont know me and have never met me. Also I am 24 thanks. I have even met the bride and groom after that wedding and they agreed with my statements. Only reason it was left in there. I apologize if you think I am not professional in terms of a person or in my sound knowledge. Try making a under 8 minute video and explain logic and ever detail of sound. You cant. I make short consise videos which all of them clearly state that it's my opinion. I never state absolutes. Lastly please feel free to come meet me in person and meet who I really am. Watching videos online is nothing compared to in person.

Skrutinizr

6y↑2

It's always funny/annoying when people with no formal training in sound equipment regale the world with their infinite wisdom.
Here's a budget system that will sound better than 99% of the mobile DJ rigs, and you can buy it all used:
4 JBL JRX115 mains - no more than $1000
2 Crest Audio 3000DSP amps - $500 (iNuke 3000DSP is cheaper, if you need to save money at maybe $375-$400/pr used)
Ashly Protea System II 4.24 -$200 (eq, crossover, compressor, time alignment)
18" subs- two Rockville passives 4ohm $300/pr NEW
About $2K total. The JBL mains are super punchy, so cross the subs over low and they don't have to work hard at all. The SPL of this rig will exceed a safe level, and with the Protea- you can dial in spectacular quality. Some better subs eventually would be great- but they are by no means a weakness if used properly.
Only thing that should be added if going over the $2K mark would be maybe a DBX g-rack. The bass synth processor in the DBX can make non-bassy music have some bump for when you do an even where they want old school rock etc.

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Will Givens

You know not everyone is on the path to get as into djing as you, right? I djed 3-4 gigs a month in fall terms and 1-2 this spring term. I wanted bass, and got the rockville 18". Now I'm about to graduate, probably do way less and am happy I don't have a $1000+ sub to decide what to do with.

Will Givens

I used djing as a way to make money in school. A $350 rockville saves me $650+ compared to what you're recommending. That's a lot of money for a student. Get off your high horse

DJ Rick Web

No offense but Its advice ment for people that want to pursue being more than a beginner DJ. Like get into weddings school gigs and DJ every if not everyother weekend. What you did is very smart for what you were doing it for.

Cori

6y↑5

I've been Rocking The Bheringer B1800D-PRO for over 6 years thay are heavy 120b but they're rock solid and very reliable. I dropped one of them off a loading dock.. she still together didn't miss a Beat. 650.00 brand new 6 years ago and I don't regret it.

Bowie Entertainment

6y↑3

Have the same sub... Pounds every time I bring it out

Kazige Onzin

5y↑1

I just really wonder how one of these b1800d or the newer b1800xp would compare with other subs in the +- 1K dollar range. Like a ev elx 18sp

Btw i have a b1500d myself and i think its great but i havent really compared it to anything yet

Kazige Onzin

@D Mann what do you consider small gig ?
Also what tops do you use them with

D ThatsMe

5y↑1

@Kazige Onzin I'm using Behringer B115D's. I've used QSC's and a few others and people say the plastic shell doesn't produce as good of sound. Probably so but they're extremely durable and with some tuning, they sound great. A small gig in my opinion is 100 or less. I tend to do more school dance and church functions both indoors and out with up to 500. The 18" subs do well with the really low frequencies but there is a gap that my tops will not fill admittedly. I'm considering picking up a couple 15's for smaller gigs and a more balanced sound. Thoughts?

DJ Primo 4 Real

6y↑2

My 1st sub an active powered 15' sub did well "SHORTLY' the cabinet design sucked and the thing fell apart. Thank God for insurance. My next 2 were Behringer 18' subs and those joints rock HARD. Every experience isn't the same. Nice Info within the video though thank you!

Paul V

6y↑1

I have EXACTLY the same experience. Bought 2x 500-600 dollar - 18 inch subwoofers. There are okay for smaller locations. But they don't have the power & grunt. Now trying to sell them in order to upgrade. Will lose a lot of money in this process, but a lesson learned. :)

Dj Nomad

6y↑1

Love your videos dude u give great advise and I've learned a lot from u so keep up the great work

Shawn Edwards

Hey Rick. I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree. I have two BEHRINGER EUROLIVE B215D and two Gemini gvx-sub18p and the pack a punch (subs being DAMM Heavy) I used them at sports days and parties, weddings they go hard and yes i do drive them. so I would say that subs complement your tops especially when your playing indoors. Bless up

Marco Casarrubias

Subwoofers are only needed at bigger events, if you're doing house party, backyard party, out door event or small Gathering in a banquet room then you don't need a subwoofer. If you are doing big events like a big wedding at a grand ballroom or a promoted public event in a hall or gym then yes you will need a subwoofer to add that extra Bass and compliment your tops. Always check the size of the location and you may get an idea of what to take. Sometimes a subwoofer is overkill.

Macrina Taitano

4y↑8

I use a Mackie Active-15 together with my Mackie Thump-1000 Tops and the Compliment is Incredible!

JAZZ & MORE

4y↑1

Excellent analysis on beginner subwoofers....better to rent a "top of the line" subwoofer than to buy a cheap beginner subwoofer....Electro Voice makes a nice subwoofer....rent one for your next gig......see for yourself....Thanks again Rick!!

yagballs

The quality of sub is base on the voice coil diameter and magnet plus the driving the the sub. If you really want a good sounding sub, use a class AB amp. I’m an electronics engineering and old school DJ in the 80’s and build a lot of systems for night clubs and disco houses. I just build a DJ systems and use $50 15” raw sub driving by only 200 watt rms per channel class AB amp which I also build and sounds 5X better than the power sub that 5X more expensive. The power of the amps depends on the power supply. Lots of Amps on the market were overrated. If you really want to know the amps power , test it with audio signal generator with 8ohms load and oscilloscope.

Yousitech

1. You don't need overwhelming bass
2. All you need for transport is a suburban
3. If you have one beginner sub and get better tops, just get another beginner sub.
4. Just use it in your home theater
5. If you get double 15" tops you dont need a sub

Dj Greg Chicago

6y↑2

I can relate i went through Jbl Eon518s 2x Ev Elx118p and it was a pain to sell them, it was to the point where my highest bids were $100 for each speaker!

Hubjeep

I have two Elx118p's they aren't great. What did you replace them with?

Dj Basa

6y↑1

Prx and Ekx series are the best series for a beginner looking to take things to a whole new level in years to come. Please don't consider QSC. PRX and EKX are not beginner speakers but they are the most affordable speakers you can get if you're trying to go pro in the future. Squeeze your pockets a bit more while you're starting because it'll be harder to do so in the future trust me. Especially if you're going to be buying some lights and stuff.

Lakeside DJ Services

6y↑4

Having any sub allows you to cross over the frequencies to make the tops go louder.

chris close

5y↑1

my beginner sub i had when i started buying PA was ex hire EX hire EAW sb250s and they are brutal in the bass lines then upgraded them to martin audios ws218x double 18s

Michael Nützel

4y↑2

I dont know if this Brand is a thing in the USA but "The Box" is really popular in Germany. The Box TA18 you can get for under 400€ and I can get two of them in my Car. They are really powerfull and add a lot of Bass, even Outdoor.

Also the Resale Value is quite good 10 year old TA18's still go for around 250€.

Lee Taylor

44w↑1

Was just thinking about buying one and was wrestling all the issues you mention here....so you have helped me make my mind up to steer clear

Steve Sciortino

6y↑1

Good points made, if your going to add a sub or two, make sure you go for a more professional brand with significant power. When you go for cheap most likely your going to lack power and sound quality. Both features that you need most. Save for better.

g30jack

6y↑2

Timely post, Rick. Looking at subs myself since I just scored some EV ZLX 15p tops. Thinking of sticking with EV all the way.

DJ Rick Web

6y↑1

Just go ahead and get one ekx sub if you really want a sub or just wait and get better tops.

julyjc1able

3y↑6

You dont have to agreed to everything, I have big professional equipment for large events and I just purchased some small subs for smaller events, work smarter not harder 👍

Joniyah333

I have been there too. But when I was younger that was all I could afford. Now I have jbl prx 835s &825s as my tops, depending on what genre and place I’m at. Along with 4 prx 818s xlf. I listened to EVs new ELX line, and it wasn’t bad. But I think the JBL eon 618 has a little more low end vs the EV sub. Which is what I want. The EV is a little smaller and has more punch but a little less lowww lows it falls off around 50 hz.

I really want to hear Cerwin Vegas new lines of powered subwoofers

Alex Vanderkooy

I loved my mackie hd1801... I feel like it is a borderline sub between beginner and pro. 1600watt peak. But now amp is dead and they don't have replacement parts available anymore. Looking to replace. Was thinking mackie sr18s or jbl eon718s. But also everyone raving about qsc ks118 (over twice the price).

DJC from NC

1y↑1

I just got the SR18s and am going to return it. Very disappointed

Murillo Rosa

In Brasil, a begginer sub Eon618s costs R$9.000. And the PRX818 its very difficult to find, and when you find, it costs R$15.000 🤡

P. Michael Guastamachio

2y↑1

This video is gold- I already made this mistake but I hope this helps someone for sure

DJ Joe Khoury

6y↑1

What do you define as a beginner subwoofer vs a regular subwoofer. I like using subs mainly to not put too much pressure on my tops and hopefully make them last longer

DJ Rick Web

6y↑1

My recommendation would be anything sub listed in my top speaker video

DJ Joe Khoury

DJ Rick Web we have very similar setups. I have a pair of srx815P and sex818SP with a DDj-sz. I have a dell laptop 🤷🏻‍♂️ one issue I’m seeing is I have to connect my tops, and controller into my belkin serge protector. If I connect the speaker or controller into a different wall outlet, I get a lot of noise. I was hoping it was the power connector for the laptop needed to be grounded. But unplugging the laptop made no difference. Have you had any similar issues?

DJ Rick Web

That's just a dirt power issue normal has to do with the outlet its self or the surge protector your using

DJ Joe Khoury

6y↑1

DJ Rick Web it has happened at multiple venues. I can try the surge protector maybe. But it works fine when everything goes to the surge protector. Such a pain.

David Daw

6y↑1

Sounds like you are describing 2 outlets on different ground plains which will result in 60 cycle hum. When you plug everything into a single outlet you avoid this (provided there is enough power to run everything on one circuit). Some speakers (such as Alto) have built-in ground lifts that will help eliminate this, but another option would be to try running your laptop through a stereo DI with ground lifts before it goes to your mixer.

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Danny Rash

6y↑8

Agreed. I wish I had put the money I spent on beginner subs into my tops when I started lol.

Steven Hammerle

6y↑2

I build all of my own speakers and subwoofers. They have a soul that no manufactured speaker has. And they even sound amazing too!

RINGO A. ORTIZ

I have some Behringer Eurolive B1200 pro Subs that I pair with some Altos TS 10 tops for small parties, not one single hiccup. I also have some Yamaha 10 DBRs top coupled with their DX 12 subs, and can rock a party, with no problem. I also have new Alto's, and Mackies. The key to everything isn't just being loud, but to have an overall well balance sound. The dance floor at most Venues are 20x20 , everything else is overkill.

Brent DeVries

43w↑1

Thank you for this information, finally some helpful advice.

stay cool my guy 👌

Josh Edwards

Hi does anyone know if it's better to get 1 very good sub connected to 2 speakers or is it best to get 2 subs for 2 speakers? I own a pair of mackiethump12a tops and have been advised to get 1 qsc kws sub however I'm worried the tops won't be able to keep up with the sub? Any advice would be highly appreciated!

Steven Lee

6y↑2

Hey Rick can you make a video on how to plug all your speakers and subwoofers and what wires you are using? Would be really great!!

DJ Founten

6y↑8

I'm glad i did my research before finally adding subs to my system. I settled with the EV's EKX 18SP's

DJ Dash DFW

how are they working out? i wanted to get either those or the kw181 but settled for the elx200 118p just becayse theyre the only ones that fit on my backseat

Paul Simon

I have the same but finding them too boomy, how have you connected them and what settings have you used?

Eduardo Herrera

Those are some great subs. I have a pair of those.

James Kresta

Love my EV 18's glad i bought them they hit hard!

Sebastian Phillips

Depends on your budget, and your knowledge of mixing music. If all you can afford is behringer, so be it. Learn how to split frequencies and how to properly power your equipment. Learn what frequencies sound good, and which ones don't. Learn how to cut, rather than boost eq. Lots of tricks to make a budget system slam.

DubStak

Here's the thing, beginner's equipment is just that. Most of em are not designed to last a long time. It gets u started in the industry without spending a lot of money. U get to learn the equipment from the basis. The experience teaches u how to upgrade for your needs, if needed. Most beginning djs don't know how much power they need for the space they have. I feel that it's a huge market for this type of equipment. As u make more money u spend more according to your needs.......... That being said, the Rockville studio sub n monitors work well in my basement. Then again, I know what they should n shouldn't be used for...... Research, research, research!

evanseventy7

Reason number two never goes away. Pro audio is much less portable than a beginners sub.

DJ Rick Web

But as a beginner your transportation methods are normally not as good.

Ken Wa

6y↑1

I bought an EV ELX200 18 and it’s actually very decent for small to medium venues, a second one will make my rig sound very nice, thoughts?

DJ Rick Web

I still have yet to get a good demo on the elx 200 series so no comment

The Highwinder

Sorry, gonna have to offer some more-experienced advice here:

Point 1. Beginner subs add enough effective bass to let your audience know that you're serious about the show they paid for, and in crossover mode, a pair of subs make a HUGE difference in sound that that also keeps you from cooking your presumably beginner mains.
Point 2. Even beginner subs have wheels, so the big and heavy factor is moot. Additionally, we didn't buy subs without having a way to transport them first (if the DJ has an IQ above 4 anyway).
Point 3. Upgrade the subs first, THEN the tops. Duh.
Point 4. Selling used speakers is an instant 50-75% loss no matter what brand they are, be they Behringers or JBLs, because all buyers know that used speakers can't be trusted. Consider all speaker purchases a one-way purchase with no hope of any financial recovery. Real DJ's don't give a damn about resale value of their gear - all amp and speaker hardware are to be considered entirely disposable dumpster filler from the beginning, including bargain DJ controllers.
Point 5. If it wasn't rentals, then your point 5 was a repeat of your point 3, which is getting better tops first. Renting gear - there is no guarentee you're going to find the rental that you need, especially when you need it. Even under the best of circumstances, rentals are usually limited in choice, quantity, and features. Beginner gear at the very least means that you WILL be able to deliver what your customers paid for. Rentals are a gamble. owning is always better, even if it one day winds up in a landfill.

3dprint-tech

6y↑11

If you are on a tight budget and have a little woodworking and electronics experience I recommend building your own. Buy an expensive ( and high quality woofer ) like Eminence for example and a descent brand amplifier and you'll have a descent sounding PA subwoofer for a fraction of the price of a pre-made one

Steven Hammerle

6y↑2

3dprint-tech I built my own😎

3dprint-tech

6y↑1

Steven Hammerle Awesome, may I ask what design you used? I recently built a modified cubo, but I'm looking for better vented designs to build...

Steven Hammerle

6y↑3

3dprint-tech I came up with my own design for the 18" subwoofer. The speakers are based off some electro voice 12" tops. My dad helps me build them. I only wish I made the sub box a little different. It hits pretty good, but wont do much below 35 hz easily. It was the first sub I made, so it was a good learning experience for sure.

djmanny leon

6y↑3

Unfortunately, not everyone has the knowledge and skill to build a proper sounding sub.

3dprint-tech

6y↑2

djmanny leon I agree, but you don't necessarily have to have a lot of knowledge, there are many easy to build proven designs floating around the internet

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J

It is difficult to sell any used P/A gear beginner or not. Unless you luck out and find the right buyer you’re looking at a 50% hit and it could take a long time too

Kresha Hicks

6y↑1

well man I have got to say that I guess it would depend on what you need vs want. A common dj wont be doing large venues so having line array systems or high wattage systems wont be necessary for them. A good sub should complement the sound of the mains not overpower them or sound distorted by pushing the volume all the way up and clipping. Look at reviews before you buy anything, I know the audio market tries to sell everything at way above actual wattage. Very few companies underrate the wattage of there product. Check out the specs on the equipment if its 1000 watt 18 with 2 inputs then one knows to divide the wattage by the two channels to 500 a channel since your amp will also be two channels out to the sub, and even then that's at max and overpowered. I would guess to be around 400 to be safe. Also check on the magnet size and the structure of the cabinet, will it stand the test of time with loading and unloading all the time. Well known audio company's are not always worth the extra for the name. So try before you buy. I do however preferer powered speakers over passive its just easier on the wiring and setup and way less equipment. I have setup large venues with passive speakers, subs, monitors and amps and when I tried powered I fell in love. Good luck dj's

Brian Gantick

5y↑1

To all those who have bought beginner subwoofers and have now had to upgrade let me suggest an alternative option to selling...
Put it in your living room sound system! It should be more than enough bass there!

DJ Rick Web

Lol. Hope you dont have close neighbors

WKT

3y↑1

I’ve got a thomann pyrit 212a, a dual 12” subwoofer. It’s honestly very good. It only costs 600 euros..

Neil Snow

4y↑2

I've been doing this music thing since I was a teenager. Gotta say I disagree with you. I have a lot of different speakers for all different use. Got a 150 watt 12in sub that shakes my house. Got some behringer that are 18s and they shake my foundation. Also have turbosound 15s and they are descent. I prefer 18in folded horn with 15in directs sitting either on tip or next to them(depending on venue) then mains above all that. Heart stopping bass that makes you fill your pants from 50ft away...easy.

Spencer Random Guy

6y↑11

Wish I had this advice before I bought my Rockvilles. They weigh like 120 pounds and they are massive. I bought 2. It adds a decent amount of boom, but not worth the money or size.

DirmeyerNFL

6y↑4

Spencer Random Guy Spencer, I think I disgree with you. We own the same sub. You don't get good preformance out of yours? Don't think about the size, but preformance

DJ Sure Shot

6y↑2

@ Spencer Random Guy - I have 2 Rockvilles as well. HEAVY, BUT, I have to say, with proper gain and crossover settings, they tear down almost any venue I drag them to. Last venue I was in was for 400 people and the walls shook. Unlike most new DJ's, I came in with my Lincoln Navigator and a "roadie", so size and weight were negligible. For what I paid for them, they were (and still are) totally worth it. I do plan on upgrading to Pro tops and Subs and have a buyer lined up (he buys all my hand me down equipment)...

Lets ride

I run passive subs and amps I run the behringer vp18 it is 1600 watts peak 400 program I run it on 800 watts program power of the amp at 8ohm I can tell you it will set off car alarms from inside the building and the hit hurts your chest after a few minutes.

Spencer Random Guy

6y↑1

DeadPixel I do think they perform well, but I wish I had saved for a EV or JBL. Size is the main problem for me

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Kai Cooper

6y↑1

Hey Rick you said it would be a better option to save and get better tops. Now what about just getting a decent subwoofer to go with the beginner speakers, considering the music I play is very bass heavy. Would the sub overpower the tops ? I was thinking to get a prx 715xlf sub to accompany my mackie thump 15's what do you think ?

DJ Rick Web

6y↑1

Yes you can do that route

Kai Cooper

6y↑1

Thanks for the advice man love the channel btw :)

DJ Sergiu Bulgar

6y↑1

Man with 5th and all thats advices you just save a many nerves, moneys and time for beginners DJs... I'm absolutely agree with you 100%

Dj TNyce

I have 2 Mackie thump 15a’s and 2 Mackie SRM 650’s total of 4 mains.. and I have crisp clean sound and loud AF😬 ..more than adequate lows. But subs are definitely in my future!

Herorazor makaveli

5y↑1

I sold all other Behringer subs and I'm going with Bose F1 or L1 model 2 with 2 B2s, atleast Bose support team supports effectively and sound better from small and very light weight than Behringer B1800d pro

bigred12778

I totally agree. I bought a crappy Yamaha on Craigslist. It had no depth whatsoever. I now have 4 ETX-18SP and I LOVE them.

adrian mixit

5y↑9

This guy is a rookie dj. Lots to learn.

Abiel pangga

how so? if u eq u strain the weak driver in the sub, if u eq perfectly. u stil would not have enough loudness because it is not that efficient and not tuned that low.

adrian mixit

@Abiel pangga lol

adrian mixit

I was talking eq more for speakers. And no they don't affect any drivers. And I also meant amps to help with speakers and subs.

adrian mixit

How would an eq strain a driver if the eq is a separate machine and the drivers are built in the speakers.

CheckDisOutpeeps

He tells you to save money to buy either intermediate or pro subwoofers, because your more expensive tops will drain out your beginner sub, what's so hard to get? The resell value also sucks for beginner subwoofers.

George Tapia

6y↑1

Just a bit of advice.... if you are going to make a video on beginner subs that one shouldn't get, you should try and mention subs that one could get.... you make some valid points but make those points to specific brands. The pros and cons of them, from weight, quality , price to upgradability... I think that would help people a lot more...

DJ Rick Web

Very solid point but to make one said video might be tricky since so many brands and models exist.

Brylan B

4y↑2

Man so many on here upset because someone else have a different opinion than theirs. This is Rick's take on beginner subs, take it for what it is.

Rick, I can see the angle you are going with this. A better investment would be to purchase a pair of some higher quality 15" tops. Those will generate enough bass for what the beginner DJ needs. Besides, a beginner DJ will only have so much funds to start and having good tops will be better than a set of mediocre tops plus a beginner sub. On another note, a beginner DJ will more likely be limited to doing house parties/bday parties for friends and family. A living room, garage, or small yard will not really require subs when you have nice above average tops. Keep doing you Rick, I like your content.

Billy Payne

Does anyone have personal experience with harbinger v2218s? I have the v2212s tops and I love them. If that 18 sounds as good as the 12's I think it would sound great. Thanks in advance.

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