1) Franklin--vocalist/guitarist Ralph Darden, guitarist Brian Sokel, bassis… Read Full Bio ↴1) Franklin--vocalist/guitarist Ralph Darden, guitarist Brian Sokel, bassist Roy Binnion (later replaced by Josh Mills) and drummer Greg Giuliano--released a slew of quality music from 1993 to 1999. These four men from Philadelphia, PA brought their own unique style of multi-genre rock to the kids of the world. Take the spirited and soulful sound and then dub and mix it with the angst of punk rock. Blend in the intelligence and vague political overtones of the contemporary Washington D.C. scene, and you get this fine tuned slab of rock.

The band's sound started off more in the Fugazi-esque D.C. post-hardcore vein, which you can hear on 1996's Go Kid Go, released on defunct Canadian label Workshop Records. The album featured nine new songs as well as all of the band's early 7-inch and compilation appearances, making it a primer for any fans coming on-board in the mid-'90s.

But while the band were already showing promise, it was 1997's Building In A And E where the band really developed their own sound. Released by Chicago's File 13 Records, the seven-song EP (the first to feature Mills on bass) was produced by Hopeton "Scientist" Brown, the man who practically invented dub music. What the band came up with on that release was groundbreaking for the time, turning Franklin into sort of a post-hardcore version of Bad Brains - a band who could both be aggressive one minute and then lose themselves in the rhythm the next.

As the band's buzz was building, they signed to Tree Records, then a white-hot Chicago label which had released early work from Pinback, Urban Legends (pre-the Thermals) and others, and was responsible for the absolutely genius Post Marked Stamps 7-inch series, which featured Braid, the Get Up Kids, Rainer Maria, Tim Kinsella and many more. Franklin's first release on the label was the Major Taylor 7-inch, the A-side of which was the title track and also landed its way on a Tree/Southern/Polyvinyl Records sampler in early 1998.

But all of that was a precursor to the group's swan song, 1999's self-titled effort. The band had moved on from post-hardcore and fully embraced dub, but alternated between bass-heavy jams and energetic, lo-fi indie rock. The record opens with a wailing siren before "They Attack" slams itself into gear with thumping drums and oozing bass; a few minutes later, the band deliver "Inventor Of Loud," a positively brilliant piece of brainy indie rock that still sounds better than virtually anyone slogging it up on Pitchfork Music Festival's side stages.

After the band broke up in the early 2000s, Darden went onto found Jai-Alai Savant, who released an EP and LP before slipping into hibernation. He also DJs in Chicago frequently, going under the moniker Major Taylor. His other claim to fame? Atom And His Package wrote a song about him, called "Happy Birthday Ralph." (Sample lyric: "Happy birthday, Ralph/I love you/Even though you are fucking disgusting.") Sokel started up experimental indie-pop duo AM/FM in the wake of Franklin's dissolution; they are now defunct, as well.

2) Franklin is a Drum & Bass DJ/Producer from Bournemouth, United Kingdom.

Take Off
Franklin Lyrics

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You're just to good to be true
Can't take my eyes off you
You'd be like heaven to touch
Oh, I want to hold you so much
At long last love has arrived
And I thank God I'm alive
You're just to good to be true
Can't take my eyes off you

pardon the way that i stare
there's nothin' else to compare
the thought of you leaves me weak
there are words left to speak
But if you feel like I feel
Oh, I did you let me know that it's real
You're just to good to be true
Can't take my eyes off you

I love you baby if it's quite all right
I need you baby to warm a lonely night
I love you baby trust in me when I say
Oh, pretty baby don't bring me down, I pray
Oh, pretty baby, now that I found you stay
And let me love you baby, let me love you

You're just to good to be true
Can't take my eyes off you

I love you baby and if it's quite all right

I need you baby to warm a lonely night
I love you baby, trust in me when I say

Overall Meaning

The lyrics to Franklin's song "Take Off" express intense admiration and infatuation for someone. The singer is overwhelmed by the person's beauty, feeling that they are too good to be true. The lyrics convey a sense of awe and desire, as the singer can't take their eyes off the person and wants to hold them so much. The arrival of this love is seen as a blessing from God, making the singer grateful for being alive.

There is a vulnerability in the lyrics as well, with the singer apologizing for staring and acknowledging that the mere thought of the person weakens them. The lyrics suggest a longing for the person to reciprocate their feelings. If the person feels the same way, the singer wants them to let it be known and make it real.

The chorus emphasizes the singer's love for the person, expressing a need for them to bring warmth to their lonely nights. There is a plea for the person not to disappoint or bring them down, but instead to stay and allow the singer to love them.

Line by Line Meaning

You're just too good to be true
You are simply exceptional and too perfect to believe

Can't take my eyes off you
I can't stop looking at you, captivated by your presence

You'd be like heaven to touch
Your touch would be a heavenly experience

Oh, I want to hold you so much
I desire to embrace you deeply and profoundly

At long last love has arrived
Finally, love has entered my life after a considerable period of time

And I thank God I'm alive
I express gratitude to God for granting me the gift of life

pardon the way that i stare
Please excuse my intense gaze towards you

there's nothin' else to compare
Nothing else can be likened to what I see in you

the thought of you leaves me weak
Merely the thought of you renders me feeble and powerless

there are words left to speak
There are no words adequate enough to describe my feelings

But if you feel like I feel
If you experience the same emotions as I do

Oh, I did you let me know that it's real
Please let me know that this is not just a fantasy, but a genuine connection

I love you baby if it's quite all right
I deeply love you, my dear, if that is acceptable to you

I need you baby to warm a lonely night
I yearn for your presence to bring warmth to my desolate nights

I love you baby trust in me when I say
Believe and have faith in me when I express my love for you

Oh, pretty baby don't bring me down, I pray
Please, my lovely one, do not let me down or disappoint me

Oh, pretty baby, now that I found you stay
Oh, beautiful one, now that I have discovered you, please remain by my side

And let me love you baby, let me love you
Allow me the opportunity to shower you with my affection and adoration

You're just too good to be true
You are simply exceptional and too perfect to believe

Can't take my eyes off you
I can't stop looking at you, captivated by your presence

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Comments from YouTube:

Anonymous Guy

4y↑540

I think it's pretty cool that even in times of desperation, everybody still has the decency to address the navigator and helmsman as "Mr. Chekov" and "Mr. Sulu". Nice touch and a great homage to tone of the television shows

CaptainCoyote

2y↑21

Actually, they are not displaying “decency”, “Mister” is a common title bestowed upon junior officers (JOs, Ensign, LTjg, LT, LCDR) by their senior command officers (usually the XO and CO). Roddenberry loosely based his ranks on the US Navy rank system, and our Navy’s ranks originated from the Royal Navy. In the days of sail, using the term “Mister” was a way for the Captain to enforce upon the Junior wardroom members that they were not only Officers, but “gentlemen” as well…they were senior and “separate” from the common deck sailors. So, in this example, both Chekhov and Sulu are Junior Officers, thus the “Mr.” in front of their last name. And while Captain Kirk would address Spock and Scotty as Mr. Spock and Mr. Scott, they would never in turn, address their Captain as “Mr. Kirk”. If you did, you’d likely find yourself standing some extra mid-watches!. It was always odd to me that the JOs on Star Trek addressed Spock as Mr. Spock, versus XO. You may recall the pilot, where Majel Barrett (later Nurse Chapel), played “Number One”….and old Royal Navy term for the First Officer in command beneath the Commanding Officer. They did revive the Number One title, as CDR Riker was often referred to by Captain Picard.

Mxyzptlksac

2y↑5

Mister is a naval term for officers

randomrazr

2y↑4

what happened to the crew of the franklin

Mxyzptlksac

2y↑3

@randomrazr they were turned into aliens

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John Moore

3y↑243

The design of the USS Franklin was paying respect to the time peroid of Captain Jonathan Archer which was fitting from the back story to Captain Edison, specifically speaking about fighting the Xindi and Romulan wars prior to James Kirk being the captain in the prime universe.

Trey Shuler

2y↑5

Though the ship (NX-01 Enterprise) that Captain Johnathan Archer had was much older and much. So that doesn’t make any since.

tranz2deep

2y↑10

@Trey Shuler Okay. Please understand that ship design is incremental. The NX class was continued for quite a while with upgrades. The main baddy was originally a MACO on Archer's Enterprise, for the love of God...

danivarius

2y↑1

I thought it was. Especially with that design!

Thros1

2y↑1

Let's not forget this version of Scottie is responsible for killing archers dog

tranz2deep

2y↑5

@Thros1 No, he didn't! If you get the book treatment of the first Reboot movie, Porthos IV does in fact materialise on the Enterprise... after the events of the movie!
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"It would seem that we have developed a very slow teleport! -- Doctor Isaac Kleiner, after Gordon and Alyx take three weeks to teleport from Nova Prospekt to his lab in Half-Life 2

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Leif Hietala

4y↑295

In case you were wondering why a decades-abandoned Federation ship is still in a functional condition: Sulu doesn't dodge all the mountains. Mountains lose. Sulu keeps flying.

Laeadern

2y↑33

Federation ships are more sturdy than they appear.

Thomas Zinser

2y↑37

@Jason Covert Oh, the Miranda is a damn tough design in her own right. The problem is she was getting sent against enemy ships decades to nearly a century more modern than her. It'd be like sending a Clemson-class destroyer against an Arleigh Burke.

Brian Anthony

2y↑12

The lady living in it had been doing repairs over a number of years I believe

Somen Kundu

2y↑28

@Laeadern Nah . That ship was made by United Earth not the Federation . Back then ships were armored because shields were not invented yet . This is why Fed ships are in trouble when someone penetrates their shield like earlier in the movie . These ships though were just awesome

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Schwarzer Ritter

4y↑525

This movie somehow managed to have the "Airplane falls out of sight, silence, then rises up" cliche with a craft without wings.

This_is_a_Conundrum

4y↑83

It always amused me that they're basically flying a giant battle pancake with a grip attachment.

Tropical Horizon Gaming

3y↑44

@This_is_a_Conundrum giant battle pancake may be the best name for the star ships I’ve heard yet-

numbaoneg101

2y↑16

Loool the same shot from Into Darkness 😄

All three films have the ship rising with the theme music in the background.

Robert Estes

2y↑6

Agreed! So "already done". Nothing new or interesting about the Kelvin timeline.

Chris Plunkett

2y↑8

Because of course you could start an engine that runs on anti-matter by forcing air through it!

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Equinox

2y↑49

Man, i love this scene on the movie, love to see old machines coming to life again, and even more in this case when this ships looks like a flying battleship.

Margot Rosendorn

4y↑153

Fun fact: simulating microgravity by putting a craft in freefall has been around as long as we've had astronauts.

Charles Meaux

34w↑4

That is not simulating micro gravity, that is called a Zero G pushover.

Luthah Velken

32w

That is not a fact and really isn't very fun.

Bruno Cesar Cerqueira

2y↑25

Gostei muito dessa "USS Franklin" antiga e desatualizada. Mesmo sem escudos defletores possui uma casca dura e resistente, parece um navio encouraçado espacial.
E mesmo sem antigravidade decolou na força bruta, como um foguete. Só com a força dos propulsores de impulso e foguetes de manobra espacial.
Nave forte, bem forte.
*I really liked this old and outdated "USS Franklin". Even without deflector shields it has a hard and resistant shell, it looks like a space battleship.
And even without antigravity it took off in brute force, like a rocket. Only with the power of thrusters and space maneuver rockets.
Strong ship, very strong.

Wilbert Lek

2y↑2

Are you kidding us with your name and comment?

Lucina von Nolaran

@Wilbert Lek I fail to see the issue.

Jonathan Swift

49w

@Lucina von Nolaran Do you understand that language? There's an issue for you!

Jonathan Swift

49w

Você não poderia fazer o que acabei de fazer e reservar um tempo para traduzir no Google Tradutor? Se eu participasse de um fórum que fosse em português, eu colocaria meu comentário em português! Por que você não pode colocar seus comentários em inglês? Hum?

Jonathan Swift

49w↑1

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Hadder Yuri

2y↑97

If this was possible, why didn't Krall try it? Answer: Kirk is crazier than Krall ever was...

Eradicator 5000

2y↑7

We could already tell back in the TOS show

John Steiner

2y↑15

Krall never knew where it went or- after a hundred years, forgot. Remember, his brain gets scrambled by the life energy absorption just like his body does.

Rekkoff

2y↑10

Ship was in pretty bad shape after the crash. Jaylah stated that she spent pretty much all her time on that planet fixing it up. Why the crew couldnt have done that? Dont know. Plot hole there. Maybe lack of parts at the time?

Mach Dude

35w↑5

A lot of this falls into the realm of "not designed for this" and "no idea if it would work" and having the personnel to try to do it. Essentially, you would need a crew that was skilled enough to do this in order to pull it off. The surviving crew at the moment looked like Krall (a captain), a covert operative and an officer. None of these seem to be skilled pilots like Sulu.

EarlJohn61

35w↑5

@Mach Dude and what you're describing doesn't include a slightly better than average engineer, a somewhat intelligent science officer or a cunning linguistics expert.

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Brian Anthony

2y↑49

They certainly build that model tough, even slamming against rocks just broke part of the rock off. The first warp 4 starship I believe.

Daniel Haire

36w↑9

That's been true of every ST ship we have ever seen. We get so used to seeing them die easily in battle that we forget those battles have them slinging weapons that can split molecular bonds or have explosive yields that make WMDs seem like kid's firecrackers.

Remember when we saw the Enterprise-D Saucer crash on Veridian III, leaving a trail of destruction, yet the Saucer section was reasonably intact?

James Nguyen

33w↑5

@Daniel Haire Yeah, these starships are built like tanks. Especially considering this is the universe that heavily militarized their starships.

Allan Gibson

33w

Now think about the forces involved in a dust speck at light speed… Each speck packs the kinetic energy of a Hiroshima sized nuclear weapon…

Thomas Schulz

33w↑1

@Allan Gibsonbelieve LT. Tucker says it best, first atom we come across at warp will blow a fist sized hole through the hull.

Ad Mark

32w

The NX-01 was warp 5 long before the Franklin.

Enterprise
This engine was capable of speeds that finally made interstellar travel in more survivable periods possible – that is, in days, weeks or months, instead of years. Consequently, Humanity was able to construct its first warp 5 capable starship, Enterprise, completed in 2151.

Chris Chappell

2y↑18

respect at all time to the captain ……….”are you kidding me ,Sir.”

Cloud Hindlen

33w↑3

The Franklin builder was the only starfleet ship builder ever to be smart enough to include a five point seat harness in the chairs...you never see the most useful feature ever again in a starfleet ship. 😂

RandomYT05

3y↑31

Uss Franklin, a callback to the Enterprise era and the NX class layout.

Diane Harris

5y↑178

Kirk: " Mr. Sulu...You can..you know.... fly this thing...right? "
Sulu: : Turns in disbelief......."Are you kiddin me sir?"

Leif Hietala

4y↑18

I was always hear that and think, "Between me, Scotty and Chekov we can take this thing completely apart and put it back together in a whole new shape. Fly it? C'mon."

RandomYT05

3y↑11

Its old tech. Sulu surely knew how to fly an antique like how the average man with some level of intelligence and a bit of reading can easily fly a wright flyer.

Jeff DeWitt

2y↑2

@RandomYT05 Not sure how you meant that... because the Wrights couldn't easily fly a Wright flyer.

EarlJohn61

35w↑1

@Jeff DeWitt remember he did specify some level of intelligence. The Wright brothers were considered to be insane!

Jeff DeWitt

35w↑1

@EarlJohn61 Sure, because they did something most people thought couldn't be done. And the Wright Flyer was VERY difficult to fly, and barely flew at that, airplanes literally couldn't get any more primitive.

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RedHeadedViking

2y↑73

engine nacelles in tng: breaks like glass
engine nacelles in the kelvin timeline: goes straight through three or more jagged cliffs

John Steiner

2y↑20

Well, they do have that polarized hull plating concept that goes away with shield technology.

DMM Tech

2y↑6

Not bad for a completely unshielded ship. Power scaling much?

Doremi Fasolatido

2y↑2

Yeah...TNG way more believable.

DreamskyDance

35w↑1

I mean depending on the cliffs... if they are limestone they break if you look at them the wrong way. If they are granite or something like that, it is like a concrete wall.

Nathaniel Hill

35w↑4

That's because the federation designer used force fields as structural members. United Earth designers used reinforced armored plating.

It's like comparing an Iowa Class fast battleship against an arleigh burke destroyer. One has over a foot of armor and an armored citadel while the other has bullet-resistant glass.

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351cleavland

2y↑52

"We can't just jump-start it" indicating a near-impossible task.
45 seconds later....

John Steiner

2y↑20

What I'd like is a show specifically about a ship like the Franklin; smaller vessel, less understood galaxy, small crew. A kind of Mass Effect scale story in Star Trek.

DMM Tech

2y↑14

Wasn't that show called Star Trek: Enterprise?

mikes5637

32w

Lower Decks.

Cadillac Jack

42w↑7

Ah! The good ole' pop start trick! Let gravity generate enough speed so you can hit the gas and release the clutch in second gear. :)

VulpisFoxfire

34w↑13

...Wow. A Starfleet vessel that actually has seatbelts.

Krivex YT

31w

Rare indeed 😂

Frozen Knight

2y↑28

Anyone else notice that when they were falling everyone thrust forward? Unless they had significant reverse thrust that should not have happened, they should have been in freefall which means roughly weightless. The thrust from the change from freefall to vertical should have put them through significant g forces, enough so that much of the crew may have blacked out.

I get it that this is fiction, but can't the writers/director at least consult someone who knows a little about astrophysics, heck startrek is big enough they could probably get an astronaut on speed dial.

Dragon Touched

2y↑5

Just a funthought, maybe the artificial gravitygenerator had a malfunction? ^^"

journal50 B

2y↑2

@Dragon Touched That is a fun thought, know what else is? Not having belts tying them down. Would love to have seen a flip done as they were falling. But I suppose that someone would have gotten hurt doing soo.

Dragon Touched

2y↑1

@journal50 B wow, someones really salty there

Maethor E.

2y↑5

You're implying air resistance had nothing to do with it. The ship wasn't falling in a vacuum and was meeting air resistance which they weren't. Therefore their individual acceleration would have been greater than the ships hence why they fell forward in their seats

Eradicator 5000

2y↑2

The G forces cannot be taken into account because all ships capable of warp has inertia dampeners: ie something to stop the crew from turning into paste when going to warp. And from preventing the crew from blacking out when the ship accelerates to full impulse cus remember, full impulse is one quarter lightspeed

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Turboy

35w↑11

So the Franklin had an advanced feature that they forgot to include in every newer ship we've ever seen....SEAT BELTS.

John Clamshell SP

30w↑1

Would have been nice to see the "USS Franklin" in other episodes or movies.

Jock Narn

2y↑3

That cast did a gr8 job replicating the TOS characters & banter👍

Sorry Shiina

36w↑6

If a ship can survive the vacuum of space, the entry and exit of a planet's atmosphere and then not turn to dust at warp speed; it can probably survive brushing the paint on some dinky little mountain. Probably.

Remrad

31w

Ships built Tonka Tough.

Boss

35w↑7

These movies have aged well, man i hope we get more.

Will Challenge

2y↑5

It is nice to see Captain Kirk and Commander Sulu finally getting on

EarlJohn61

35w↑3

Oops, classic misread on my part "finally getting it on"

Nakfoor

36w↑2

It was great to see the NX class again.

Jeffo

2y↑2

the best new crew . . all brilliant characters

Zork Mid

35w↑3

RIP, to both the helmsmen.

Edit: my mistake, John Cho is alive and well. I was thinking of Grant Imahara, who passed away a few years ago. He played Sulu in Star Trek Continues.

Randy Eubanks

34w

Both the helmsmen? John Cho is still around and doing well as far as I've heard.

Zork Mid

34w↑1

@Randy Eubanks Ah, you're right. John Cho is alive and well. It was the guy who played Sulu in "Star Trek Continues" who passed away.

Skip Toloo

33w↑2

However, Anton Yelchin - Chekov here - did die. About a year before this movie was released in the US.

Randy Eubanks

33w↑1

@Skip Toloo Yes, which is why I didn't mention him (even though Chekov is the Navigator, not the Helmsman.)

Joey Cramer is also reportedly still alive and kicking, but he did go missing for about 8 years. <grin>

ShogunEnder

2y↑3

This movie was pretty great it reminded me of a two part episode of the show all in one.

bartman

2y↑7

Now that needs to be a ride at Disneyland, Universal...
Hey who owns Star Trek now?

Gaspar Kvarta

2y↑2

Paramount

Robert Per

2y↑7

I love the fact I used to own the joysticks used.

bodyshop8008

31w

I didn't know that any of the ships had 'seatbelts.' Since I have seen people falling all over the place for years.

Noel Anderson

29w

The U.S.S Franklin design was based on the NX-01 from Star Trek: Enterprise

Insert Redletter Media Meme Here

2y↑9

This is the only movie or show since the end of TNG that has actually felt like Trek.

Grubnar

33w

Say what you want about those films, but the cast was excellent!

Nighthawke70

34w↑2

Ben Franklin, an old friend of the families of the Adams. The last few moments of this clip you can hear an church bell pealing. The sound of Freedom and Justice, if you may.

Winter Cat

28w

Cliche. And there's no churches in Star Trek, thankfully. Humanity evolved past that.

Ken P

34w↑2

For only having polarized hulls and no shields , that ship can take a beating

Marv The dog

33w

they dont build them like that any more

Stephen Gerathy

31w

That's probably why!

Ted F

2y↑12

"Don't forget to release the handbrake"

East Afrika

2y↑3

How come I missed this part? I have to watch it again

Christopher

2y↑6

It would have been cool to have them find the old NX Enterprise

Polenicus

2y↑7

My guess is that was the original, preliminary idea. The fanbase would definitely have lost their minds seeing the old NX again. But making it work in the lore would be tough. Canonically Archer commanded the NX-01 all through the Romulan War, and partway through all the existing NX-class ships were upgraded to the Columbia-class, with a secondary hull more like their Constitution-class successors. Granted, none of that lore made it into canon format and is changeable, but it still means you've gotta explain why Admiral Archer (Who is still alive at this point) handed the keys to his beloved ship to a complete jackass who didn't believe ANY of the philosophy he fought so hard to uphold.

Goodiesfanful

2y↑1

Can’t win ‘em all.

Kerry Davis

2y↑2

Wasn't it established somewhere that NX-01 wound up in a/the Fleet Museum or something?

HailAnts

33w

The reason this is all a callback to the prequel series Enterprise is because that's the only Star Trek series that was unaffected by the Kelvin timeline switch..

Richard Johnson

3y↑12

So Krall and his crew spent 100 years mutating into reptiles and plotting revenge rather than just fixing the damn ship and leaving? And since no Federation ships ever went there in the Prime timeline did they just eventually die out waiting around on that planet like a bunch of idiots?

numbaoneg101

2y↑4

They were looking for the missing piece of the weapon.

Darrin Clough

2y↑2

Yes

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TOK150

5y↑23

Getting a futurama-vibe at the end😄

zurnie

Death by snu snu? Oh, wait, wrong episode.

Maunda Martin

31w

2 quater impulse power is like. 60,000 miles an hour.

David Giles

35w↑3

Actual seat belts.

Michael T

4y↑7

Very good scene involving Sulu.

Patrick Crausaz

30w

I love how the crew was so bored, they were faking the force impact on them, even tho they are in a spaceship with gforce stabilizers.

Stolas

4y↑26

The Franklin looks very similar to the discovery

Kami Easton

3y↑15

I thought it looked similar to the NX Enterprise.

N S

3y↑10

The registery is NX-326 so it's definitely closer to the NX-01 than NCC-1031

andrew button

2y↑12

Ah yes, jumpstarting a matter/antimatter reaction, on a century old spaceship designed to operate exclusively in space and quite frankly doesnt have any business being in an atmosphere (to say nothing about it having actually landed on a planet somehow) by throwing it off a mountain to get up to a certain speed for some random space engine part to work, makes so much sense.

cyborg hobo

2y↑2

Fusion engine not matter-antimatter , also Enterprise has been shown doing atmospheric flight in the " Tomorrow is yesterday " episode.

andrew button

2y↑1

@cyborg hobo I fail to see how it being fusion powered makes the slightest difference. The 1701 Enterprise example is fair enough, and a contemporary to the Franklin, the NX-01, did some atmospheric flight and combat after getting shot full of holes

Jose Carlos Cortes Nival

33w

Don't take the jumpstart reference literally

greenbeacon394

2y↑4

The original USS Franklin crew couldn’t have done this to escape the planet?

Mike Kean

2y↑2

They didn't care.

Prodagist

2y↑3

I think it's more that they couldn't have, For one, The ship wasn't designed for flying in atmosphere, And it was incredibly slim for the Enterprise crew to make it out, maybe they didn't want to take that risk.
Two, the ships been there for over 100 years, it's possible that there wasn't enough space for them to take off, and over those 100+ years, water eroded the mountain, giving the Enterprise crew just enough room to escape.
three: The ship was damaged, and the original crew of the Franklin didn't have the knowledge, or sheer skill of engineers like Scotty, so they possibly couldn't repair it.
Four: Their ship had just crashed there, they could have been in shock and drove in into their own minds that "The ship crashed, there's no way its functional enough to take off again"

Reaver Lord Tonus

36w

Seems like Star Trek and Star Wars are making their hero ships practically indestructable, able to.smash into.terraim and not shatter into a million pieces.

Emir Masinovic

2y↑6

Lools like even with all of those inertial dampeners, they still felt all the Gs

Colin Antink

2y↑1

I don’t think that was G force. Look at Uhuras earrings. Yes yes yes I know it was a filming mistake!

William Cawley

2y↑1

Scotty: We Should Belt up
Wise words

Sean McDonald

32w

"WE CANNAE JUST JUMP START HER CAP'N!!"
What exactly would need 'jump starting' in THEIR century for this to be a relatable concept to everyone?

Skip Toloo

33w

So, Franklin was supposed to be the first Earth ship to reach warp 4, but NX-01 Enterprise was a WARP FIVE starship. WTF is wrong with supposed Star Trek people anyway?!?!?

baileytom78

35w

Just dump the clutch and pump the throttle a couple times. Nothing like roll starting your spaceship

Royt Goiys

4y↑18

Why are they leaning forward when they fall? Surely the Gforce would push them into their seats rather than make the lean forward?

Leif Hietala

4y↑3

And the inertial dampers appear to be offline. Oh well, sorry about pancaking everybody when the rest of the drives fire up!

Cypress Conroy

3y↑2

Drag affects the outside but not the crew on the inside so they fall faster
Zero g planes have to be flown at a constant downwards velocity to counteract this

Khwaja Faiz Ahmad

3y↑4

During falling, gravity is acting. So they are in forward leaning position.
As soon as the thrusters are fired, they experience the inertia, and thus get pushed back into their chair.
I dont see any physical laws being broken here

Luke Rogers

2y↑1

the ship is falling not flying, humans fall faster than the ship ergo they lean forward until the thrusters fire.

J B

33w

Because the people who wrote this scene clearly had no clue about Newtonian physics.

The crew should've become weightless the moment the starship broke free and started to fall. Because all objects, whether they are feathers, people or starships, fall with the same gravitational acceleration. In this scene, only when the air starts to slow the starship down (which is when it reaches terminal velocity) will the ship accelerate at a less rate then the people inside - meaning the crew would gradually start leaning forward in their seatbelts.

With all due respect, this was one of the worst Star Trek movies I've seen - and yes, I have been a Trekkie for decades.

mike smith

Just goes to show.."Sulu is the star of the show. Other guys just along for the ride". .....!

Mitch A

32w

That Uhura is one stunning woman.

zack zeman

2y↑4

Zachary Quinto has the weirdest face ever. I swear😂

Nerdle Geek

34w

Leonard Nimoy's love child??

Leigh Guptill

2y↑6

I'd argue that, technically, it wasn't a "jump start"... to jump start a vehicle, you hook the battery to another power source (like another battery), just like The Hammer di for The Logos in the Matrix sequel (I forget which one.)

Would this be more akin to a "clutch start", when you roll the car down a hill, and then pop the clutch while in second?

Correl Freehand

2y↑1

probably, all i can think of.

Rob Russell

2y↑1

What you describe is, in fact, a "Jump," as in, "can I get a jump?" (when your battery is dead.)

A "Jump Start" is something different... it' was once a well known way to start a manual transmission car. It can only be done with a manual transmission. The driver puts the stick into 1st gear and depresses the clutch pedal, giving the car free reign. Another person (or persons...) push the car from behind as fast as possible, then the driver "pops the clutch" (quickly lets out the pedal). This puts the car into gear and jerks (jumps) the transmission which turns the engine crankshaft and hopefully starts the engine. We used to do it all the time with those old VW Beetles. A guy could get around fine for a month with a dead battery, so long as he had a buddy with him (or parked on a hill).

Leigh Guptill

2y↑1

I'm 51 years old, and I learned on a stick (a '78 Honda Civic). I know what a "clutch start" is. I was just making a tongue-in-cheek joke that a clutch-start (using the clutch in a standard car) is different from a "jump start" (hooking your car's battery to another car battery to borrow the electricity).

No worries. :)

Nerdle Geek

34w↑1

@Leigh Guptill I'm 57 and live in the UK. What you call a clutch start we called a bump start when I was younger🙂

Victor Duny

33w

Didn’t SNW pay homage to this in S2:10?

KD7BWB

2y↑2

Not a gravity race, in a kiddie car.

But close...

Chris Plunkett

Surely that would be a bump start and not a jump start? The same as pushing a car and letting the clutch up when the starter motor isn't working.A jump start would need the biggest set of jump leads ever made and the warp core of another starship to connect them to.

popehentai

defintiely a clutch start.... but how many people have done that recently? hell how many people reading this even know how to drive stick when they work properly, let alone when they wont start?

Shane White

@popehentai I do in fact I own two 1990 model Chevy S10 pickups with stick shifts I have drove 18 wheelers with stick shifts when I was volunteer firefighter the first trucks I learned to drive were stick shifts honest to God truth if it's got a stick shift I'll drive it

Chris Plunkett

@popehentai Here in England more people drive stick shifts than drive cars with auto boxes.But yes most of them can't even change a headlight bulb or check and top up the coolant themselves.

Raymond Hull

33w

Born in 1984 and I learned how to drive with a manual transmission and know the pushing the vehicle as fast as you can and hope it starts trick.

Dr. Krieg

35w

These bad guys were "marooned" on this planet, and it takes Kirk and crew 15 minutes to fix their ship? 😂

Darrin Clough

2y↑5

It's completely ridiculous. This is what happens when Game Masters take "The Rule of Cool" too far. Good luck jump starting a derelict 60 year old 707 with no fuel or oil by throwing it off a mountain.

Not-God Emperor

2y↑4

This is a futuristic spaceship, not a 707.
Case closed

chpsilva

@Not-God Emperor denied. The observation is relevant.

Not-God Emperor

@chpsilva I will make It irrelevant

Prodagist

2y↑3

@chpsilva My dad has a 60+ year old car that he found in a dump and repaired and it runs better then our neighbors 6 year old truck.
Relevant enough?

A G Systems

2y↑2

If all that is wrong with it is that there is no power to start the engines then yeah, it's legit. You can absolutely start jet engines with ram pressure. How you get it off the cliff with no power at all is another matter...

Leif Hietala

4y↑5

It makes for good cinematic drama but pretending the impulse engines wouldn't shove the Franklin to terminal velocity - and indeed, far beyond it - in just a second or so is ridiculous. The thrust of the impulse engines is supposed to be sufficient to push the ship to nearly light speed in well under a minute. For context, to accelerate to C at one G would take an entire YEAR. Assuming you could actually get there, of course.

John Millan

4y↑3

Leif Hietala Those were the stabilizing thrusters not impulse engines that lifted the Franklin, but I understand your point. The amount of time and thrust to create sufficient lift to avoid impact in less than 2000 ft would give them <11 seconds window before they plunged to their deaths. In the movie it only shows a 2-3 seconds window from the moment thrusters were activated to the the moment the Franklin gained lift. I think this scene can be given a pass due to editing and dramatic effect. After all the only two variables that would help figuring this out is by knowing the mass of the ship and how much output on the thrusters was required to this scene work.

BoganTheLastard

They hadn't been turned on in years

Merca Dragon

3y↑2

They did state it wasn’t made to take off from an atmosphere or something, in the movie, maybe that’s why. Also they’re on a cliff, buried in part of the rock, you’ve still got the issue of what would happen to the ship when you engage the impulse engines.

Liam Murphy

32w

I've watched Star Trek for all of its life.

Zhaanfan

31w

Impulse is 1/4 the speed of light, so 1/4 impulse is 1/16 the speed of light, or 18 million meters a second.

The atmosphere is 10 million meters. So....its....plausable?

Darrell Hall

33w

The old girl still have it!!

R S

2y↑2

Its amazing that every new Star Trek just gets dumber and dumber. This was a new low.

Ani Sin

This wasnt even dumb lmao

R S

@Ani Sin Then you just showed your intelligence.

Ani Sin

@R S If that's how you cope, then sure.

lonny wuestewald

34w↑1

Dropping out of sight, then heroically reappearing. Sigh...that's so JJ Abrahmish! Eagerly awaiting his next repeatedly used action scene where $hit falls, then magically pops up! To the absence of absolutely no one cheering at his old cliches. Oh wait...he did that in Star Wars too. Along with lots of people running around aimlessly. And throwing equipment at each other that they should already have. Has JJ ever made a movie for an adult audience? And not just for his ego that nobody cares about, except JJ?

Karmai9

3y↑4

Me when i get up in the morning:

W. C.

The Captain never puts his shoulder harness/seat belts on.
Rewatch it...

bill johnson

30w

Looking at all these young officers the retirement age mustbbe 30 in the future as there are no old hands

Eric Plourde

2y↑1

geez I love this movie

Robert Meade

3y↑5

Why didn't the original crew think of this.

Mike Kean

They didn't want to.

SPACEMAN

4y↑9

The question is What really happened to the uss franklin??

Gade

4y↑7

USS Franklin lore states the ship got caught in a wormhole displacement..

Ori0n

3y↑4

@Gade and crashed landed on planet altamid and no one came to rescue they thought the federation abandoned them

Confederate States of America

2y↑1

This is Captain Connor MacCloud of the USS Enterprise NX-01

tron3entertainment

35w↑1

RIP Checkov.

Hayley Yeager

33w

RIP Chekov

Bob Schwartz

33w

1/2 IMPULSE IS 83,500,000mph.

TimeRider762

Now that's what I call U turn

gary mathena

31w

Pucker factor at maximum Captain.

Brett Naugher

2y↑1

They know how it works lol, they watched Oblivion that is aboard the New World Foundation. 🤩

Pennington Knickernacker

32w

The people behind JJ Trek need to see jail time. So awful!

rizon72

While nice action, I wasn't aware that Star Trek ships were so heavily armored.

Doremi Fasolatido

Wouldn't matter if they were. No structures that thin would ever survive that kind of abuse...no matter what they were made out of.

Gideon Kalve Jarvis

33w

They...they're wearing seatbelts...

ᚨᛚᛖᚲᛊᚨᚾᛞᚨᚱ ᛗᛁᛏᚲᛟᚹᛊᚲᛁ

5y↑20

"Any time mister Sulu!"

pEn

5y↑5

...NOW MR. CHEKOV!!!

Lewis crawford

‘You can... u know, fly this thing right?’

pEn

4y↑2

@Lewis crawford you kidding me,sir?

Lewis crawford

4y↑1

Yamaroshi ....Fantastic

ndgo

2y↑3

Rip Anton

Kenter Tacha

35w

My old friend!!!

Zephyr

52w↑1

Dumb sci-fi writer: "People in ship fall because ship falls down!"

Audience with IQ above room temperature: "But these ships have artificial gravity."

Dumb sci-fi writer: "Daddy got me my job."

Tara DeWert

33w

That is Hikaru Sulu... he can fly a garbage truck if he has too.

still_guns

51w

Jump starting a ship by literally jumping it

Alovatololo

34w

It doesn't make sense BUT it's interesting.

John's Travels in Texas

I would have def crapped 🚽in my shorts during the free fall

Violet (Kitty Chick)

36w

Wait.. like they are standing up the the engineering area.. the rest have like metal seat belts on.. they literally nose dive down a cliff.. like??

Alphabet Dust

34w

Saucer sections full of hidden chemical rockets was the dumbest thing the Kelvin Universe added to Star Trek. 🙄

sick2biscuit

They just don't build them like they use to 😏

Benjamin Pohl

35w↑1

Silly question - why the free fall to gain speed while the ship is solely flying on boosters and not as an airfoil. JJ Abrams Trek doesn't make any sense.

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