Symphony No. 45 in F-sharp minor "Farewell": IV. Finale: Presto
Haydn Mozart Beethoven Lyrics

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@elaineblackhurst1509

3y↑2

@@crimsonkhan3815
The accepted scholarly view is that Beethoven did not meet Mozart; he did however hear him play once on a visit to Vienna in 1787, and was in fact quite disparaging about some technical aspects of Mozart’s playing, calling it choppy - ie no legato.

The sugary, simplified, and slightly childish Classicfm item referred to elsewhere relies too much on doubtful, spurious and/or very much later anecdotal sources and also contains some ridiculous hyperbole such as describing Beethoven’s ‘...great ambition ...to travel to Vienna to meet - and take lessons with - the man he knew was the greatest living composer, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart’.

Why add in ‘greatest living composer’? - he was certainly not so considered in 1787.
Why Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart ?
Is there some doubt as to whom we are referring ?

Beethoven did go to Vienna to seek lessons, but we know from subsequent events, that what he needed was counterpoint lessons - a form of musical grammar.

We know this, as that is precisely what he took from Haydn from 1792, and then, when Haydn left for England again, from the greatest teacher in Vienna - Albrechtsberger - from 1794.

A quick glance at Mozart’s schedule would suggest any lessons with Mozart would have been as unsuccessful as those with the equally busy Haydn, for exactly the same reasons.

Additionally, what Mozart would have made of Beethoven’s much newer keyboard technique is a moot question; when faced with it in the form of Clementi in the famous contest arranged by the Emperor at Christmas 1781, Mozart was damning about Clementi’s tricks such as playing in octaves, and simply called him a ‘mechanicus’.

Beethoven came to understand the greatness of Mozart in time, as did the rest of the world, but only posthumously.

To describe Mozart’s status in 1787 as Classicfm have done, is as ridiculous, and anachronistic as it is inaccurate.

In summary: Classicfm - and others - are guilty of being a little too keen to create links, sometimes indeed a sort of romanticised, apocryphal, fake mythology between Mozart and Beethoven that simply does not exist; Beethoven discovered Mozart through study, and through what Haydn later would have told him about Mozart.

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@randomperson6433

3y↑14

I was a bassist and I thought it was cool that we were the first to leave. Look up the story behind this piece, it’s pretty rock n roll really.

@kyrie4503

5y↑5

This is so cool dude!

@bartwentink2189

42w

I was at this performance. The Maestro introduced it by telling how Prince Nikolaus Esterhazy, Haydn's patron, had extended his stay at his summer palace in Hungary well into the autumn, keeping Haydn and his musicians away from their families in Vienna. He then said, "So Haydn decided to write a symphony and at the end, well, you'll see..."

@kokoro6643

3y↑6

Is that a anime opening

@crimsonkhan3815

4y↑3

Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven lived in the same age..the best of bests..Haydn was (probably) the only person who met both..That's why His compositions are so rich and inspiring.

@aniolka766

4y↑2

I'm not sure, but they say Beethoven met Mozart too. He wanted to study under Mozart and even plaied for him, but because of family circumstances Ludwig had to move back to Bonn. When he was able to leave for Vienna again, Mozart was already dead, so he started his lessons with Haydn.

@crimsonkhan3815

@@aniolka766 can you give a reference?

@aniolka766

4y↑1

@@crimsonkhan3815 I don't have any "serious" books on this, but check this here: https://www.classicfm.com/composers/beethoven/guides/beethoven-and-mozart/ I heard about it somewhere else anyway