One of the group’s trademarks was the experimentation with Dutch lyrics, which resulted the (back then) four piece in being the first ever crew in The Netherlands to release a complete demo in their native language. This turned out to be the start of a new genre they still call ‘Nederhop’ to this day, a term consisting of the words “Nederlandse” (Dutch) and “Hip-Hop”.
The start of Osdorp Posse can be tracked back as far as 1986, when Def P (real name Pascal Griffioen) made his debut on the Dutch hip-hop scene with the group Funky Fresh Force, consisting of him and DJ Dov, who would later become a famous House DJ under the pseudonym DJ The Prophet.
In 1988 Griffioen started experimenting with Dutch lyrics as a joke (translating American rap lyrics from groups such as N.W.A.), and a creative exercise (writing a couple of ‘real’ songs). His nephew Marco (later on taking on the nickname IJsblock – a literal translation of N.W.A.’s infamous Ice Cube) joined in the musical tomfoolery, as they recorded raps on instrumental tracks from their record collection, using nothing but a tape deck and a microphone.
It wasn’t until Marco and Pascal met Robin (now known as Seda) and Arthur (King) that they got down to writing real material that they found suitable for recording. Even though their musical playground that they had by then labelled Osdorp Posse (named after the Amsterdam neighbourhood Osdorp, where they all lived) consisted of a large group of friends with a continuously changing line-up, the core of the Posse was the four guys, and would remain so until twelve years later. With a lot of the co-rappers leaving the group with no interest in taking Osdorp Posse to a next level, the group recorded an infamous demo as a fourpiece. The nameless cassette – which quickly became known as ‘De Rode Demo’ (The Red Demo) – was handed out to friends, and travelled the country, taking the underground alternative music scene by storm through the tape trading circuit.
One of the many people who got hands on De Rode Demo was Saskia Sleger, the owner of the underground dancelabel DJAX. Recognizing the originality as well as the obvious talent, Sleger decided to contact the group and offer them a contract. Hardly believing what just happened to them, the young rappers immediately signed with DJAX, without reading the fine print. Def P later described this move in the band’s biography ‘Tien Jaar OP’ as impulsive and a bit naïve, but it turned out to be a good thing: the start of legendary career.
Now having to actually release cds instead of fooling around with a tapedeck, Pascal, Marco, Robin and Arthur franticly started writing out the material that they had come with before heading to a local studio in 1992, recording the first ever ‘Nederhop’ cd: the poorly produced yet explosive, hardcore and edgy twenty three song classic ‘Osdorp Stijl’ (Osdorp Style).
With an official release in stores, the group started on a journey that moved their live-shows away from the squat- and fret houses, onto the ‘ real’ alternative music scene. The album was an instant underground classic, which not only spawned an entire generation of Dutch Hip-hop acts at the time, but also quickly finding a following within a diverse group of alternative music fans such as punkers, metalheads, rockers and many alike.
The following two releases were plagued by the same production problems as their infamous debut, but through their sheer determination, explosive live shows and hardcore, relentless lyrical attitude became underground hits nevertheless. It wasn’t until they were asked to play the warm-up show at the biggest festival in the Netherlands, Pinkpop, that they got recognition from a larger audience. Their fourth cd entitled ‘Afslag Osdorp’ (Osdorp Exit), was released soon after the legendary festival appearance, and was the groups largest commercial success to that date. Riding the wave of word-to-mouth advertising following Pinkpop and their years on end of touring and self promoting (being ignored by mainstream media and critics), Afslag Osdorp sold thousands of copies; an achievement that was until then unthinkable for a Dutch rap act.
Later that year, with their popularity growing to a new height, Osdorp Posse played one of the most legendary and afterwards most talked about performances on the Dutch alternative music scene at the Lowlands Festival. Something that was euphemistically called a programming mistake, the group was set to play the smallest tent (Charlie) in the afternoon. Even though the Amsterdam crew warned the festival organisation about the possible consequences, the foursome’s advice to move their show to a bigger tent fell was ignored, resulting in half the festival attendees trying to fit in the small, claustrophobic space in anticipation of what was then one of the biggest things in Dutch music: Osdorp Posse. After the first couple of notes were played, the frantic crowd started to mosh, pogo and crowdsurf with such an enthusiasm that they nearly destroyed the entire tent. Def P later explained he had no idea how dangerous the situation was, that eventually led to an early ending of the gig when the crowd rushed to the stage, crushing the structure. No one got seriously hurt, yet everyone had witnessed and taken part in a legendary festival moment, talked about to this day.
In 1996 the group received the prestigious ‘ Pop Prijs’ (Pop Prize), as a recognition of their pioneering role in the Dutch hip-hop scene. That year also marked another legendary festival performance; the Dynamo Open Air festival – at that time the most important Heavy Metal event in the world – playing as the first and only hip-hop crew ever in front of more then a 100.000 longhaired metalheads, a large portion of whom were stoned Germans (enjoying the music all the same). The following year, ‘ Osdorp’ returned to Pinkpop, this time playing not once but twice: first on the small stage, returning on the final day at the main stage in front of 60.000 people.
After the commercial and artistic successes of albums such as ‘Briljant, Hard en Geslepen’ (Brilliant, Hard and Polished) – recorded with death metal band Nembrionic, and the chart success ‘Geendagsvlieg’ (literally: No day fly, as a play on words to the term ‘one day fly’, emphasizing their timelessness) the Posse left their long time label Djax to start up their own label called RAMP Records (consisting of the first letters in their names: Robin, Arthur, Marco, Pascal). In 2000, the group’s first release on their own turf called ‘ Kernramp’ (Nuclear Disaster) became their biggest commercial success, and remains so to this day. For the first time in their 12 year long career, Osdorp Posse even landed on the Dutch TOP 40 charts with their single ‘ Origineel Amsterdams’, which eventually ploughed into the top 10.
The release of their eighth album also marked the first change in line-up the group had seen since the early demo days: DJ ‘Deegmeester’ Daan – who already joined the band on stage for quite a while – became the fifth member of Osdorp Posse. That year they returned to Lowlands Festival as a five-piece, this time on a bigger stage. Once again controversy was part of the group’s performance, with Def P openly protesting against the nationwide crowd surf ban (as a result to the Roskilde tragedy earlier that year).
Around that time the music industry started crashing down. With programmes such as Napster and Kazaa providing fans with free – yet illegal – music, Osdorp Posse’s new label had a hard time lifting off. Every release after ‘ Kernramp’, such as ‘ Tegenstrijd” (meaning both Counter Battle, and Contradiction in Dutch) and Hollandse Hardcore Hip-Hop Helden all saw decreasing sales figures. At the same time, the genre the group created – Nederhop – had become a mainstream phenomena with acts such as Extince, Def Rhymz, and new school artists and groups like Raymster and Opgezwolle taking over the Dutch hiphop scene. Osdorp Posse, never being a favourite of the mainstream media – could only witness their own decline.
Around 2004, the group had plummeted back into the underground scene, once again playing the smaller venues. The groups hardcore following had eye for their later releases with bands such as Laberinto and Blind Justice, but stayed true to their heroes all the same.
Near the end of 2008, the group has announced to call it quits. After a release party of their final effort entitled ‘2 Decennia’ (Two Decades), Osdorp Posse embarked on a farewell tour, taking them to all the places they played, rocked the mike at, and witnessed their fanatic following go crazy to their hardcore style of performing.
The group’s swansong took place on their own turf, in the Amsterdam club De Melkweg in September of 2009, leaving a legacy that can not be ignored or forgotten: the invention and perfection of Nederhop.
Fok jou
Osdorp Posse Lyrics
Jump to: Overall Meaning ↴ Line by Line Meaning ↴
Ik garandeer je dat of m¹n rijm of een mens je raakt
FOK JOU! Je valse praatje in je blaadje is voor even
Maar als ik jou dis op een plaatje is het voor het leven
FOK JOU! Met je theorieën over wit en zwart
Rap is multicultureel dus zet je eigen shit apart
FOK JOU! Als je onze shit geen Hip-Hop vindt
Want zo een eigen stijl kan jij alleen van dromen kind!
als jij zo¹n type bent die nooit z¹n eigen scene support
FOK JOU! Als je Nederlandstalig rapt,
maar geen respect voor de old-school Nederhop hebt
FOK JOU! Als je zeurt dat wij het niet echt houden
Ik drop meer waarheid dan jouw leugen kan wegdouwen
FOK JOU! Met je gezwam over je inhoud en diepgang
want ik hoor alleen nog holle metaforen. ONiet dan?¹
Ik vraag me af wie er nog wat voor de eer biedt
Wie biedt er voor de eer? Leg het hier maar neer!
Wie heeft er tegenwoordig nog een beetje eerbied?
Wie biedt er voor de eer? (-) Wie biedt er meer?
Fok jou, fok alles en fok iedereen
Ik heb schijt aan jou, en ja, ik zie het meteen
aan jouw kutkop dat jij van mij het zelfde denkt
Maar jij rukt nog, ik wordt door geile dellen herkend!
Want ik rap in deze strijd langer dan je leeftijd
En heb ook geen tijd voor jouw onbeleefdheid
Dus ga maar lekker met je vriendjes lopen lullen
over échte Hip-Hop en jullie vette dope spullen
(sullen) Fok forumschorem met hun grote bek
Want staan ze recht voor m'n porem is het: Yo, respect!
Pats!!! Een klap voor je laffe bek kan je krijgen!
Jullie kunnen toch zo stoer anoniem lopen dreigen?
Je was toch vet naar? Nou kom maar, ik ben klaar
Je checkt maar een concertagenda en ik ben daar!
En dan wat? Wordt je dit al te echt?
Let dan voortaan maar wat beter op de shit die je zegt!
Want geweld lijkt stoer in al je Thug Life-raps,
maar doet zo'n pijn als ik je echt als een kutwijf slap!
Nou, zit op die stoel, en dicht die smoel!
En dan laat ik jou eens voelen wat de fok ik voel:
Brute beats die boemen! Geen slappe R & B
En sukkels die dit metal noemen snappen het nie
Ik ben m¹n hele leven lang een buitenbeentje geweest
En als het even kan dan blijf ik ook uniek op dit feest!
Fok jou!
The lyrics to Osdorp Posse's song "Fok jou" express a strong defiance and rejection of anyone who criticizes them or their fans. The group asserts that if someone insults them, their rhymes or their fans, they will retaliate in a way that will have a lasting impact. The lyrics also address issues of race and identity, stating that rap is a multicultural art form and urging people to separate themselves from their own narrow views. Osdorp Posse embraces their own unique style and dismisses those who are critical of it, suggesting that these critics can only dream of having such originality. The song also challenges those who claim to be part of the rap scene but lack respect for its origins and history. In conclusion, "Fok jou" is a powerful and assertive anthem that expresses the group's refusal to be silenced or undermined by their detractors.
Line by Line Meaning
FOK JOU! Als je ons of onze fans afkraakt
Screw you! If you criticize us or our fans
Ik garandeer je dat of m¹n rijm of een mens je raakt
I guarantee that either my rhymes or a person will hit you
FOK JOU! Je valse praatje in je blaadje is voor even
Screw you! Your fake talk in your magazine is temporary
Maar als ik jou dis op een plaatje is het voor het leven
But when I diss you on a record, it's for life
FOK JOU! Met je theorieën over wit en zwart
Screw you! With your theories about white and black
Rap is multicultureel dus zet je eigen shit apart
Rap is multicultural, so put your own shit aside
FOK JOU! Als je onze shit geen Hip-Hop vindt
Screw you! If you don't consider our shit as Hip-Hop
Want zo een eigen stijl kan jij alleen van dromen kind!
Because having such a unique style is only something you can dream of, kid!
FOK JOU! Met je gezeik van wie er niet bij hoort
Screw you! And your bitching about who belongs
Als jij zo¹n type bent die nooit z¹n eigen scene support
If you're the type who never supports their own scene
FOK JOU! Als je Nederlandstalig rapt
Screw you! If you rap in Dutch
Maar geen respect voor de old-school Nederhop hebt
But have no respect for old-school Dutch hip-hop
FOK JOU! Als je zeurt dat wij het niet echt houden
Screw you! If you complain that we're not keeping it real
Ik drop meer waarheid dan jouw leugen kan wegdouwen
I drop more truth than your lie can sweep away
FOK JOU! Met je gezwam over je inhoud en diepgang
Screw you! With your babbling about your content and depth
Want ik hoor alleen nog holle metaforen. ONiet dan?¹
Because all I hear are empty metaphors. Isn't that right?
Ik vraag me af wie er nog wat voor de eer biedt
I wonder who still values honor
Wie biedt er voor de eer? Leg het hier maar neer!
Who offers for honor? Just lay it down here!
Wie heeft er tegenwoordig nog een beetje eerbied?
Who still has a little bit of respect nowadays?
Wie biedt er voor de eer? (-) Wie biedt er meer?
Who offers for honor? Who offers more?
Fok jou, fok alles en fok iedereen
Screw you, screw everything, and screw everyone
Ik heb schijt aan jou, en ja, ik zie het meteen
I don't give a shit about you, and yes, I see it right away
aan jouw kutkop dat jij van mij het zelfde denkt
From your stupid face that you think the same of me
Maar jij rukt nog, ik wordt door geile dellen herkend!
But you're still wanking, while I'm recognized by horny babes!
Want ik rap in deze strijd langer dan je leeftijd
Because I rap in this battle longer than your age
En heb ook geen tijd voor jouw onbeleefdheid
And I don't have time for your rudeness either
Dus ga maar lekker met je vriendjes lopen lullen
So go ahead and chat with your buddies
over échte Hip-Hop en jullie vette dope spullen
About real Hip-Hop and your fat dope stuff
(sullen) Fok forumschorem met hun grote bek
(sullen) Screw forum scum with their big mouths
Want staan ze recht voor m'n porem is het: Yo, respect!
Because when they face me, it's like: Yo, respect!
Pats!!! Een klap voor je laffe bek kan je krijgen!
Wham!!! You can get a smack on your cowardly face!
Jullie kunnen toch zo stoer anoniem lopen dreigen?
Can't you threaten so toughly anonymously?
Je was toch vet naar? Nou kom maar, ik ben klaar
You were so tough, right? Well, come on, I'm ready
Je checkt maar een concertagenda en ik ben daar!
Just check a concert calendar and I'll be there!
En dan wat? Wordt je dit al te echt?
And then what? Does this get too real for you?
Let dan voortaan maar wat beter op de shit die je zegt!
Then from now on, pay more attention to the shit you say!
Want geweld lijkt stoer in al je Thug Life-raps
Because violence seems cool in all your Thug Life raps
maar doet zo'n pijn als ik je echt als een kutwijf slap!
But it hurts so much when I really slap you like a bitch!
Nou, zit op die stoel, en dicht die smoel!
Well, sit on that chair and shut that trap!
En dan laat ik jou eens voelen wat de fuck ik voel:
And then I'll let you feel what the fuck I feel
Brute beats die boemen! Geen slappe R & B
Brutal beats that boom! Not some weak R&B
En sukkels die dit metal noemen snappen het nie
And idiots who call this metal don't get it
Ik ben m¹n hele leven lang een buitenbeentje geweest
I've been an outcast my whole life
En als het even kan dan blijf ik ook uniek op dit feest!
And if possible, I'll remain unique at this party too!
Fok jou!
Screw you!
Lyrics © O/B/O APRA AMCOS
Written by: Def P, Seda
Lyrics Licensed & Provided by LyricFind