Vertigo
Sven and the Fury Lyrics

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Y si me das un abrazo de ciudad un beso que me coma el cuello  una mirada que nunca termine.
 

Y si me dejas mis manos sobre tus piernas  explorando países desconocidos  limpias lavas que ensucian el hastío.
 

Mi deseo es un boleto de ida 
una carretera hacia ningún sitio 

el último adiós a un desconocido.
 

Me encontré con el silencio de la noche hace tiempo no coincidíamos es un cínico viejo amigo.

Y si vamos a una función de medianoche Vértigo de Hitchcock en el autocinema Kim Novak mirando hacia el edificio Nosotros saltando a nuestro vacío.

Y si me das un abrazo de ciudad Donde los edificios de mis venas Sean los caminos para llegar a casa Donde las ventanas de mis ojos se cierren cuando entre el frío.

Y si me das un rascacielos con tus besos Y me quedo a vivir por siempre en tu boca Y nos hacemos viejos junto al concreto
a la biblioteca de la esquina, a la escuela de la colonia.

Y si me cuelgo en los párpados cables de luz Para que mil pájaros descansen enamorados Y si la estación de trenes de tus manos recibe los vagones de mis ansias.

Y si me das un abrazo de ciudad
Y nos quedamos mudos en la madrugada

Y nos hacemos mañana
Y nos amanecemos con el sol.

Overall Meaning

The lyrics of Sven and the Fury's song "Vertigo" convey a deeply poetic and introspective journey through love, desire, and the passage of time. The first stanza talks about the yearning for intimacy and connection, with the singer longing for a hug, a kiss on the neck, and a gaze that never ends. These physical and emotional gestures symbolize a desire for deep connection and closeness with another person.

The second stanza delves into the exploration of intimacy and the unknown. The imagery of hands on legs, exploring unknown lands, and clean lava that dirties weariness paints a picture of passionate discovery and excitement within a relationship. It speaks to the allure of embracing the unfamiliar and finding beauty in the unexpected.

The third stanza expresses a sense of longing for escapism and freedom. The mention of a one-way ticket, a road to nowhere, and a final goodbye to a stranger suggests a desire to break free from constraints and expectations, embracing the unknown with a sense of finality and resolution.

The final stanza transitions to a scene at a midnight screening of Hitchcock's "Vertigo" at a drive-in theater, where the singer contemplates a dive into the void with their partner. The imagery of buildings as veins, eyes as windows closing out the cold, and aging together amidst urban surroundings conveys a sense of unity and shared experiences in the face of the passage of time.

Overall, the lyrics of "Vertigo" by Sven and the Fury encapsulate themes of love, intimacy, longing, and the passage of time with vivid, evocative imagery and introspective reflection. The song captures the complexities of human emotions and relationships, inviting listeners to contemplate the depths of their own desires and connections with others.

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@alexcaffrey983

PauLtus B Just took a look at your channel, some pretty interesting stuff man. You should post more often.

On my experience directing porn actors. I got brought into an independent film that a buddy of mine was writer, director, producer etc for, to help with lighting because he knew I had some pretty good lights from my photography stuff. Long story short, I ended up as an acting coach for the two leads. My friend would brief me on what he wanted from the scene then as we would shoot I would go through it with the actors. He had apparently cast them because they were trying to establish themselves as real actors, I don't think they made it.

Short bus is definitely not a very erotic film but I guess that's the difference between a movie that contains some sex scenes and a movie that's sole purpose was to be erotic.

I just wish there was more effort put into it even just the cinematography. I have to admit I have personal aspirations of directing, directing erotic films specifically, and I'd like to think that people would appreciate seeing good actors, nice lighting and smooth editing, but maybe that's why it hasn't happened yet, people just don't care.

I'll have to watch Hand Maiden, I am familiar with the director though I'm not sure why I haven't seen this movie yet, you make it out to be pretty good.

@samvalentine9243

6y↑4

Pretty much everything you guys discussed here relates to writing not editing. As editors, we may bring the story together and shape it into something great, but we do not create the moments. The moments were already there on the page, and are brought to life by production.

We don't create the empathy that connects us to the characters.

We don't create the action sequences that have stake and make us feel the character's pain.

We may be the last line of defense, but more often than not we are working on other people's ideas. It's a team effort and therefore it is important not to forget what our role really is. It's like the expediter in a restaurant taking credit for the quality of the food, rather than the service.

Perhaps I misinterpreted the point of this video, but what I saw was 2 editors romanticizing narrative and in the end taking too much credit for it. Not once did you mention how performance brings the characters to life, how the director is responsible for bringing those performances out, how the cinematographer is our window into the world, how production design physically brings that world to life, or most importantly: how that world would not exist without the writer.

All comments from YouTube:

@alltrueist1

6y↑45

The scene in Incredibles when Dash realizes he's running on water and lets out this huge giggle really jumped out to me when considering body-to-body empathy. Superpowers are a fantasy to us. How would you feel if you were so powerful you could run on water? Or fly? Or lift a truck? It would be awesome. There's a lack of awe on the part of the superheroes themselves-- "Hey this is so cool that I can stick to walls!"-- that I think is a missed opportunity.

@wojciesza

My man Owen, I didnt see you in long time, how is Karen doing ? Is she alright ?

@mcmichael2077

6y↑8

I feel like the original spider-man 2 had a great climactic fight scene because Peter has to fight doc but also wants Mary Jane and it is also a inward battle as the doc was his friend, there is a real purpose to it

@TaranVH

6y↑145

There's a moment in one of the new Superman movies, where he gets punched through SEVERAL buildings.
Then he gets up, and is able to CONTINUE FIGHTING.
I remember thinking... This is ridiculous. I have no idea just how much that hurt. What's the human equivalent? Being kicked by a donkey, maybe? Falling for about 3 stories onto a lawn?
They went too far. WAY too far. at that point, you can do nothing but sit back, turn off your brain, and passively let the movie wash over you.

There are many similar moments in One Punch Man. He gets punched so hard, he ends up smashing into the moon. And it's GREAT. Because it's supposed to be over-the-top ridiculous. Saitama is still a relateable character, because even though he's the most powerful being on Earth, he still has a lot of normal problems, like wanting to be accepted by people, and getting upset when he misses a sale at the supermarket.

@bleuthaidesigns3799

6y↑6

Dragon Balls handles this well because no matter how strong they get - they get surprised by a new trick - and they feel pain as well as anguish which helps you engage your feelings and vicariously enjoy the narrative being presented - plus it isn't always fighting

@prathamkumar2755

6y↑10

The whole point of MAN OF STEEL WAS " GOD AMONG US "..... I guess now you would get it.

@prathamkumar2755

6y↑3

@@bleuthaidesigns3799 great point!!!!

@21swords76

6y↑3

Superman's supposed to be a god among men. the movies shit but his invincibility isn't the reason the film sucked.

@TheZexal

5y↑3

I feel like there are a lot of great fights in Boku no Hero Academia because the fights are gorgeous yes, but the major and important fights are always used to develop the characters, themes, narrative, and motives. The physical fight is always secondary to the inner battle which is given more importance, and then it culminates into one glorious spectacle and ends. Usually the end is a moral clash with one moral point overpowering the other, even if they lose the physical fight (i.e. Todoroki vs Midoriya: Midoriya loses the physical fight, but wins the moral battle)

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@nicolasstopmotion4829

6y↑36

I have not seen La La Land, so I can't speak to that musical. But from my theatre background I can say that a good musical number is certainly NOT a pause in the narrative. Every song should either advance plot or convey character, and have an arc in doing so.

But when talking about spectacle, I certainly agree that musical numbers for the sake of entertainment alone are incredibly boring. Overall, this was a great video. I am guessing the rip on musicals was mostly a wording error.

@Snagabott

6y↑1

Maybe that is why I'm so-so on musicals in general. I tend to enjoy good dancing and I enjoy the music part of a song, but I usually couldn't care less about the words, so I rarely even listen to the text (too many times have awareness of what a song is really about ruined it for me). Clearly that will not do me any favors when a song is supposed to advance plot.

@dallasdandigitalproduction393

I hope youve seen La La Land by now. Its truly one of the great musicals of this decade imo

@daftbanna7202

4y↑3

It's why Disney musicals are so clever because they combine the story with the songs

@MrKeekseeks

Historically in theater musicals that wasn't always the case. They had two pauses in westide side story. Ex. In America it starts out in am argument with words then they sing that same argument then dance that argument. After wards the narrative continues. That was pretty typical for murcials for a long time. Have the dancing and singing advance the plot came much later and in the big picture is kinda still relatively new

@Luckylukeproduction

6y↑140

Can you make how to pace, workflow, and scheduled feature, and short films

@THE_DEMONLO_RD

6y↑103

The only time I've ever had a "oh no no no no" moment in a marvel film is recent. In Spider-Man homecoming, Peter gets trapped underneath rubble. Now normally I would brush this off, but because he's meant to be some inexperienced kid, I truly emoted with him. When he overcame his mental block of his identity, I felt it. I almost stood up with him. I think it's because the menace comes from something instead of someone. The genre expectation is for the hero to fight the villian blow to blow and just about win. In this scene, the menace is uncontrolled. Something you can't just defeat with a punch. It was both the physical and mental struggle in one. I believe this is an example of Narrative Slow-mo.

@bul13ts

6y↑4

Interestingly enough, I loved but Guardians 2 when I first saw it, but was relatively underwhelmed by Homecoming. Yet over time, the more I think about each film, I've cooled considerably towards Guardians while warming up a great deal towards Spiderman. Every time I go back to Homecoming, I notice things about it that I just took for granted before. It becomes richer and more enjoyable every time I watch it. Meanwhile Guardians has only grown more shallow. It brandishes its themes right in your face and takes every opportunity it can to undercut a dramatic scene with a joke. I still love the finale with the Cat Stevens number, but while that one scene brings tears to my eyes every time, that doesn't change the fact that everything else is just light entertainment with some catchy retro music and very heavy handed themes of fatherhood. Ultimately, I thought Homecoming was the candy bar, while Guardians was a full meal. Turns out I had it all mixed up.

@MrGreenAKAguci00

6y↑2

TheDMLO I think another good example would be Thor Ragnarok. I haven't watched any teasers and trailers so when Mjolnir got destroyed that hit me. I mean a god lost his weapon and than was banished and than imprisoned. Also the moment when Banner said he may never get back after he turns into Hulk again made him really vulnerable and his decision to actually risk loosing his identity to help others was much more important.

@twanduvigneau5809

6y↑2

MrGreenAKAguci00 I thought Thor ragnarok was waaaay to much humor, you just said the only 2 things they were serieus

@CabezasDePescado

6y↑2

that is a bad movie, the mcu is disney bullshit

@StepbyStepPhotographyandVideo

Agreed

@ChrisLerouxDesign

6y↑116

I loved Guardians Vol. 2 but I see your point. It's hard for there to be any kind of tension in moments of spectacle when you know that the main cast is bulletproof. In a way, I'm surprised you didn't bring up The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones. As crappy as the former show's become, the reason the world became hooked to both is because anyone could be killed at any moment.

I think the latest Blade Runner is a fantastic example of a great balance. That movie overall is a fucking masterpiece (pardon my language).

@bort6459

6y↑21

Let's not kid ourselves, Game of Thrones has become pretty crappy for the reasons described in video. Sure, the first few seasons there was subversion with main characters dying and traumatic things happening to the characters, but now, pretty much all the mains have plot armor and the series is more concerned with showing you the Blue Eyes White Dragon shoot lasers at the wall than it is giving consequence to violence; consequence to violence is what has always set this series apart.

It's very hard not to be a "in the book" guy here, but this change did come as the show wen't off book. The writing and characters are more generic and the story arcs are more contrived. Characters don't wear trauma anymore, they revel in it. The trauma of earlier seasons, that initially offered character growth, have been replaced with character codification, ei: Theon learned the same damn lesson three times, across multiple seasons, because the writers turned his character into his trauma rather then letting him be a character. Jon Snow died, and came back to life and, at this point, does anybody care? Was there any tension when Jon stood with his sword in that iconic shot from the Battle of the Bastards?

It's great spectral, but it's cheap narrative. This is doubly frustrating because of how good the narrative was for the first half of the series' run, but I think this initial quality has put blinders on a lot of people. We saw characters we like develop so organically that when they started to stagnate we were already invested in where they stagnated. In a series where death once had a lot of consequence, death has no consequence. It's assumed people are going to die, and dramatic tension has been replaced with making the deaths pretty. Compare Tyrion killing his father on a toilet during the emotional nadir of his life, with Cercei blowing up the Sept of Baelor: one of those is an intimate moment, the other is awesome.

@ezydenias8505

6y↑2

Am I the only one who prefers the original one over the new one, and just finds the new one to be so artificial built up to meet viewers expectation with cheesy motives of many characters. (Well okay I pretty much loved the main character in the latest blade runner and his arc, but that is about every character I really enjoyed in that movie).

@PauLtus_B

6y↑1

+William Arnold
Have you seen that wonderful video called "Blame of Thrones" by MrBTongue?

@silentwitness536

Only a paid shill would describe blade runner 2 (most boring sequel ever) as a masterpiece.

@PauLtus_B

+Dan Everton
Have you even seen the original Blade Runner?

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@missmoreno

6y↑2

I just discovered your channel and I cannot imagine my life without this channel ever again. you’re brilliant and you make me want to hone in my skills for editing. i’m a beginner and literally JUT starting in my journey, but you make me feel that the journey is not a daunting/scary thing but exciting and possibly fun. like now I WANT to mess up just so I can try a bunch of new things that i’ve learned here

@conatgion

6y↑76

This video was brilliant but I have to half-disagree with one thing. No one important getting hurt in marvel movies is usually a big problem but the way I think GotG2 made it work - for me at least - is that the characters were emotionally vulnerable. Not physically. And I even think that's even more interesting than bullets or punches being dangerous.
(sidenote: what I think about GotG2 is basically same as what Lindsay Ellis think, check out her video "The Complex Feels of Guardians of the Galaxy v.2" on this, it's great)

@MarcoBayod_MB

4y↑4

That video is amazing, I completely agree about the theme of the movie be about "a father figure o parental figure" and that's why the first scene of the movie has the fight at the background, because the core is how everyone feels responsible for little Groot, until the end with Cat Stevens and everyone sharing a caring moment with Groot. That was amazing for a blockbuster Marvel movie

@davidsarrio1260

@@MarcoBayod_MB Agree...I guess This Guy edits just don't understand lot of SHmovies and why peoples around the world likes these characters.

@astralislux305

6y↑15

This isn't under the editor's control. The problems of action movies is built in the script.

@JM-gd3hr

4y↑1

That's not entirely true.
I remember there were parts of Venom that I enjoyed, but there was loooooong painfully boring fight at the end that was supposed to be a climax. If that fight was structured differently, it could have been watchable. But I was in literal, actual pain being forced to sit through it.
Scripts usually don't "script" action scenes. They'll say something like "they fight." or "[character] leaves in car, with [other character] in pursuit", etc. Making that compelling is largely on the execution.

@IWTBFOY

6y↑4

Thank you so much for posting this video. It must have taken you a lot of work. I would love to see more video essays like this from you!

@MaxAndersonFilms

6y↑1

Just watched Wind River for the second time. I think that movie is a good example of what you talk about. It's a slow burner, but when the action ramps up, you definitely feel it in your body. And the moments of high intensity serve a greater purpose than mere spectacle. Can't wait to see another project from Taylor Sheridan. Also can't wait to see another This Guy Edits video! Thanks a lot for this one. It was fantastic :)

@morbid1.

6y↑18

I watch matrix since 1999 at least once a year... I still have vhs with it... probably demagnetized already but well.

@curtisbell2872

LOVE your quality! Please keep up the work. It’s rare to see both quality video production AND research in a YouTube channel. Wow.

@sergiocastro9793

Amazing work! Thanks for the time and love you guys spent on making and sharing this piece with us. 🙌🏻🤘🏼

@Waxalousgalaxy

I never considered that the narrative had to slow for great spectical but thinking about it, its so true. Great video.

@daverizz

6y↑1

Oh my... I can't believe how much this video jives with what I've been thinking lately. I've been thinking about it, using the term "Graphic Noveling" of film making, where the film makers assume you've already read the graphic novel, so they don't bother pacing anything in a way that lets you connect with the characters. It's been depressing to watch movie after movie where I don't connect with anyone. This video really hits the nail on the head for me. Thanks!

@Okiyah

I like the format of discussion. Great stuff. When I got my bachelor's degree I was really contemplating doing a master on the relationship between editing, dance, choregraphy and the meaning of rythm. In a larger sense rythm is fascinating and can be plotted onto the road to success, may it be sports, comedy, art, conversing, seduction or music of course. Glad I stumbled here. You've got a new subscriber.

@T33K3SS3LCH3N

6y↑3

Great summary why I watch almost no action movies at all anymore. Especially the bit about imperfection got me. Older action movies were often so poorly acted that they got fun again. They had this human element to them. The perfection of most modern productions (say, The Avengers) takes that out completely and it becomes only the bland script that feels so artificial.

The vicarious living is also gone. A story like Star Wars IV still introduced relatable protagonists, but now it seems that the biggest movies all don't even try that anymore. Superheroes can be so boring. The 2002 Spiderman was probably the last pure superhero movie I enjoyed because it spends just enough time with a somewhat believable protagonist before taking us on the heights of superpowers.

It's also interesting how anime found its niche by connecting spectacle and narrative. They fill action with long thoughts and monologues in a way that would be virtually impossible to make work in an acted movie. It may be less subtle and artful than some of the examples of good connection between development and spectacle mentioned here, but it certainly works for many viewers.

@lorrainechittock6333

I'm so glad I didn't see this two years ago when I began editing - I wouldn't have understood. Dr Karen Pearlman is super. I'd love to see another current video with her ideas.

@bryanpitcherfilms

6y↑9

Sven, this was a delicious meal, cooked to perfection. Thank you for creating this and sharing it. Feeling inspired.

@ThisGuyEdits

6y↑1

hey thanks. you make it sound so sensual :)

@directoradamg

6y↑1

Would love to hear more discussions from you and Dr. Pearlman! I am definitely going to look into buying her book now. But damn do I want to hear you both talk together a lot more!

@PatCJ

6y↑1

I'm so glad I have been able to watch this channel grow. Nice work Sven! Keep it up.

@Applesinmybum

Finally a video essay on film that feels like an actual essay on film done through video. Thank you so much for making this.

@RoadtrippinwithTakacs

6y↑7

Great video, Sven and Dr. Pearlman. 👍

@wojciesza

yeah i didnt like a video as much as you do. lol . have a nice day

@Darrenmcinnes70

6y↑1

Great video...and I laughed out loud at the topic of empathy when you cut to the hand smash in Casino. Perfect.

@ThomasBoard8

Another great set of insights. My key take-away: cut to “keep us aligned to a character’s goals and feelings.”

@FlorisGerber

Now that is a great clip! I just subscribed. I really like dialogue as a means to convey information, and i really liked you sourcing your work the way you did.
Obviously, the tough hero, impervious to pain both physical and emotional is pure wish-fulfillment for the audience. Nobody likes to have problems, negative emotions; most people would like to have the ability to kick large amounts of arse (and those of us who have that ability do sometimes yearn a reason good enough to justify using it).
Unfortunately, this kind of catharsis has to be earned.
I am not interested in people who overcome problems if those problems never made them struggle in the first place, because those people are not like me. I struggle. As an audience, i like to see strugglers who overcome. This gives me hope.

And yeah, that those action scenes tend to lose all impact on the narrative does not help either. Jackie Chan found out 1970 that it is not the fight choreography, but the objective that makes us stay interested. Most set-up action setpieces of his have some kind of gimmick. A teacher teaching the student by making him catch a bowl. Not a punch thrown, but it is clearly a struggle, and it has impact in the story. These gimmick-laden scenes make it fresh and interesting when in the final fight there is no gimmick used. And Jacky gets hit all the time, and he feels it.
It is somewhat disheartening that so many modern movies have forgotten everything people knew 1970 and replaced it with wild camera movement. Obviously not everything from 1970 was gold, and not everything from today is crap, but I sometimes think action direction has taken a big step backwards.

@FCPAvid

6y↑6

Very interesting discussion, brilliantly illustrated throughout by your visual style - incredibly engaging - I agree with the comments on the first Matrix film - pity they decided to cash in on it with those redundant sequels - but we still have the original - that will stand up for years to come - just as the first Die Hard stands up after so many years- because of the narrative structure, the character development and the skill with which the stories are depicted. Nice to have these thought provoking essays, please keep them coming!

@TheGeorgeD13

Don't see how it's a pity that they decided to cash in on the first matrix film with sequels. If they didn't do that, then everybody at that studios in charge of green lighting movies should be fired, strung, and quartered. That'd be an incredibly poor business decision not to make sequels. And the only reason that the first film was so good was because of studio interference. Once they let the Wachowskis have full creative control, it was redundant bullshit.

@FCPAvid

Hi, I take your point about the sequels being green lit for business reasons - and I agree, not really valid to regret that given, how much risk is bound up with these huge budgets - but what is you evidence of studio interference on the first one? Do you mean more editorial oversight? I would call that control rather than interference. Interference usually means changes that alter the original intention of the filmmakers, and I was not aware this happened.

@AnimiHFR

6y↑2

Really nice video.
I wonder, what was your opinion on Wonder Woman and, for example, the No Man's Land scene?

@robbyriverside

That was nice, I liked the back and forth of the two voices. Really helped me to follow your points.

@Maros_Mari

again Wow, I find this series a great help as I am cutting my first documentary and am looking for ways to craft it, these videos with the info about editing help me a lot. Much appreciated. Thank you.

@corey1022

6y↑9

You guys both hit the nail on the head of all I've been thinking, but haven't been able to put my finger on, as I'm watching all these big budget films as of late. Bladerunner 2049 reminded me that you can have somewhat of a thought provoking story amongst all the big set pieces and effects.

@TheGeorgeD13

6y↑2

Blade Runner 2049 was more of an engaging mystery film than it was an action film. There WAS great action, but very little of it, but YES, it did move the narrative forward and had you on the edge of your seat. Especially at the end between K and Love.

@Jan-DerekKuster

Thank yo very much for this awesome episode! I still have to digest all the information and thoughts you discuss, but that’s what makes great content. Please keep up your work!!! Cheers Jan ☺️🙏

@ZeroBudgetProductions

Love your channel, very inciteful. I wonder why when this is the criticism do writers/directors/studios not change? Action scenes are boring and you hit the nail on the head as to why.

@patrickparadis9038

as a huge fan of old kung fu movies, of musicals, and of chase sequences, the spectacle is of paramount importance, but lack of narrative within it robs it of meaning. a fight scene where a character is grabbing props around them to use as weapons can show desperation and lack of confidence, and punching someone through a wall to fight in a new location can be used to show a change in the paradigm of the fight. where perhaps at first they were fighting over some immediate transgression, but now they're fighting their own unwillingness to let the past die... something like that.

chase sequences are easy to rip on, because ultimately if you do it wrong, the narrative is simply, "they get chased, but then they escape." mission impossible 6 does a good job of keeping elements in play during the chase sequences to keep the sequence exciting. (who is that mystery 3rd party, firing from the motorcycle?)

altogether, great video.

@dogeyes7261

I think there’s an analogue to spectacle in what Hitchcock called “pictures of people talking.”

The way a hero or villain throws or takes a punch can be as character building as a look or line of dialogue. What separates great film from good or outright bad film is how articulate the filmmakers are in their various crafts and using them to tell the story without either pausing for spectacle or cramming in exposition

@AvinashKumar-of4cc

How awesome was this? To the point and descriptive. A BIG thank you :)

@harshrealityfilms8529

thank you so much for the hands on detail .i love the begining..i thought i was going to break out my old tape to tape set up...yep im old

@AG-vk5or

6y↑1

Love this. Please more of this in terms of approach, content and partnership.

@foufougong7810

I just discovered your channel and this is amazing. Great content, great thinking and cultural references? Que demande le peuple? As we say in French. Keep on inspiring me!

@nothinglastsforeverpart2

Love this video, great ideas & needed to hear them right as I watched this!

@mattburnside6219

Your videos are simply beautiful. I never thought that I could fall more in so much more in love with movies and thinking through them. Thank you so much for your work.

@HitechProductions

6y↑2

This is EXACTLY why I was lukewarm about The Dark Tower movie. The book series is my absolute favorite book series, by far. I was very excited for the movie, but somewhat disappointed with it. There was never a question of whether Roland would succeed, or even how he would. It was just one big spectacle. In the movie they made him way too much of a bad a**. I constantly go back to a quote from a friend of mine on story, "Why should we care?".

Great series of episodes. I love hearing Karen's perspectives. Hopefully there are more coming.

@TheGeorgeD13

The other problem is that they got the tone completely wrong. Most of the series is a slow, hypnotic Western epic. There is no way a loyal adaptation (especially if you start with The Gunslinger) would ever succeed with general audience. It's too damn weird for them and way too damn slow and methodical and meditative for them to stomach.

@sonnybrown4758

I actually really loved that intro with Groot. I see where you're coming from. I also saw it on TV and not a huge screen so that might have had a big impact on my experience. When things are blowing up on screen and moving left to right it can get very overwhelming and make me lose interest.

@richieanker

Love your channel mate💪so informative 👍

@masonthompson513

Sven,
I would love if you did a video about starting out as a freelance editor. I just finished my first gig, and I ended up overcharging them. They weren't happy at all. I ended up lowering the price to their liking, but the damage was done. I looked like I was gouging them, and they'll never recommend me to anyone.
If you can make a video about all the stuff beginners should do outside of the actual editing.
Thanks! Love your videos!

@ThisGuyEdits

great idea.

@stillpont

Great analysis. Would you (both Karen and Sven) consider the action scene, according to the 'Slo-Mo' proposal, as fraction of the feature film, meant to slowly advance the plot and character's ark (and the overall speech); or a separate fragment, meant to work through the premises (narrative, logical, that build the cinematic universe and its inhabitants) set up through the previous sequences? Like a trail of breadcrumbs, leading to the loaf where it all makes sense, generating both a climax and a sense of accomplishment, by having the audience understood all these pieces and hints, which make the action scene(s) filled with emotion, empathy and so on. Just a thought. Maybe it was already studied in the book, or mentioned by any other YT user. My mistake then.

@MegaZombielover

6y↑10

Kind of reminds me of when an Apatow movie stops in its tracks to do five minutes of improv whereas something like The World's End makes the jokes PART of the story.

@pandatimeshow9723

Enjoying this series thoroughly. letting this run until the very end hopefully it improves your analytics as you deserve more viewers :)

@KinOksana

Very interesting thought about body to body empathy, the first two aspects were kinda obvious to me but this one made me look at the problem from another side. Thank you and your brilliant guest

@JamielPridgen68

6y↑1

Great video! Thanks! I’ve never heard of any of this stuff. But it’s funny in my films I have done this same exact thing.

@Babalooza

6y↑3

i came expecting a good video essay but received an ASMR masterpiece

@KhuramMalikme

Interesting discussion, I would be interested to learn your views on Bollywood counterparts to Hollywood movies. They often used to stop the narrative with songs which was the spectacle element. One director however, interweaves the songs into the narrative which is why its done him much better. But i love his editing and i would love your analysis on his movie PK, even if it was only the first chapter (or first 15mins or so). He does an amazing job of reeling people in with every movie, and I’d love to understand the secret sauce.

@davidevans7587

Great video with brilliant explanations.. well done

@AllThingsFilm1

6y↑1

Excellent commentary and suggestions. Thank you.

@Collidedatoms

I noticed that too, the montage really wants us to connect with Groot more than anyone I think. If I didn't have other priorities, I wouldn't mind viewing it again and analyzing the various scenes with that flow in mind and form a more full opinion to move the conversation forward.

@PauLtus_B

6y↑33

8:40 I'm not sure if that book is good enough to be considered erotic.

@alexcaffrey983

PauLtus B A friend of mine I was having a conversation with about why people like those books, her from the perspective of liking it and myself not having read it, offered to let me borrow it so that we were more on the same page and that I might better come to some understanding of fans of the book.

I could hardly get through the first chapter and I ended up skipping around the book, marveling at the poor writing which would get a kindergartner an F.

I do however feel I understand the motivation of its readers better, thanks mostly to the conversation I had.

@PauLtus_B

6y↑2

+Alex Caffrey
I think it's a case of something just happening to end up popular and making it a rare case where an "erotic" book became more socially acceptable to be read.
I'm all for eroticism getting a bit more mainstream, the Handmaiden recently was my favourite movie in a long time and that's definitely erotic (as well as having thing to say about these stories, I still have to read the book it's based on), but when it comes to fifty shades... aside from it being poorly written, the sex in there isn't even consensual making it a terrible flagship.

@alexcaffrey983

6y↑1

PauLtus B I can't truthfully say that the main character wasn't a willing participant in everything that took place, though the relationship depicted was not a healthy one and I definitely agree that it's not the kind of fantasy that would be good to popularize.

I haven't seen the Handmaiden, But I remember watching a film called the Secretary which was pretty good, it was much more obvious that it was not supposed to be taken as a viable model for a relationship, and it had far better writing and acting.

I would actually like to see more full on porn with well thought out characters and meaningful dialogue, though I'm aware from the brief experience I've had directing porn actors that it's very difficult to get a performance from most adult actors in an acting scene that's worth showing to an audience. But that's neither here nor there.

@PauLtus_B

6y↑1

+Alex Caffrey
Considering there's a character called Mr. Grey in secretary can we say fifty shades of grey ripped that off? I haven't seen it to be honest, and should I?

"I would actually like to see more full on porn with well thought out characters and meaningful dialogue" I guess then it wouldn't be porn. There's Shortbus, which has a ton of sex and is a good movie, but I actually wouldn't call that erotic.
Honestly, the Handmaiden might be a pretty good go-to then in a way, but there's not that much sex in there. But what's there is definitely made in a way where it's supposed to be beautiful to look at, erotic, romantic and fun in a way (it's not realistic or subtle, which you shouldn't expect if you know the director), next to that, it drives character development and doesn't just stop the plot to have a sex scene, but the movie is also a lot more things than that, and I might have my biases because I really love it.

"though I'm aware from the brief experience I've had directing porn actors" How did you get in that situation? and I guess they are porn actors for a reason.

@alexcaffrey983

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@MattAngiono

excellent! loved it! As a drummer, I can't agree more about the importance of rhythm in what i watch!

@DanielEarl

6y↑118

I love action movies, but can't stand 99% of them. This is why.

@PauLtus_B

6y↑18

I thought I didn't like action and then I found out most action movies are simply bad.

@randymonster4105

6y↑5

if you can't stand 99% of something then you don't like it. Don't say "oh i like action movies but not 99% of it" Sounds pretentious and stupid.

@MariWakocha

6y↑13

It's not pretentious or stupid. What it means is the movie being an action movie is not the problem. Instead what you don't like is something (like a problem) that most action movies have, but still isn't what defines it as an action movie. I recommend watching a video essay called "Why Action Movies Are Spectacular And Boring" by This Guy Edits. You might understand what kind of problems Daniel is talking about.

@PauLtus_B

6y↑11

+Randy Monster
Let me take what +MariWakocha says a bit further.
Take horror for example. Tons of movies sold as horror are shallow jump scare fests. Not enjoying these movies doesn't make you any less of an actual horror movie fan, the reality there is that most "horror" movies aren't aimed at people who actually want full-on horror. This is an easy example, but this goes for about every genre. To appeal to a wider audience a lot of movies are going to be rather shallow and apologetic in a lot of areas.

@paperchasindude6578

Black panther was cool

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@myDavidChannel

Great work! Nice presentation! Thanks!

@DrAdnan

This is a great mix of film theory, psychology, and great editing. Nice work- it’s given me a lot to think about!

@Interkomkomind

Thought-provoking conversation. I appreciate the research. Thank you.

@darrenlafreniere5034

Fantastic content! Well done!

@damascenoalisson

Not only this guy edits, but his videos are brilliant! I could watch this everyday without getting bored :-)

@akshaylokhande2079

6y↑3

I always waiting for your videos and you are getting better and better and i liked it. do more like this ones. 🤗😊

@debrajdas4527

6y↑1

This is interesting. And funnily it answers a question that have always been in my mind. I have always loved The Exorcist. I have never felt more scared watching any other horror movie. But I never kind of figured out why. So I think the thing that works for The Exorcist is that all the horror scenes or the horror elements have a sense of continuation related to the narrative. They are not standalone horror/scary scenes. The narrative doesn't pause. Rather those moments carry it forward and we as audience reach to the 'next level' of horror narrative. There are hardly any jump scares. But the way that little girl behaves or the things that happen to the priests are all very creepy and help reach the climax.

@HarleyKingArt

Amazing work guys, subscribed and will now binge watch your videos <3

@ty2u

Greaf video. Your videos are always a learning experience for me. Always.

@samvalentine9243

6y↑4

@ThisGuyEdits

6y↑2

Thank you for writing this. I understand that directors, writers, actors, dp's play a tremendous role in shaping story and emotion. That's why they get paid big salaries and are celebrated by the audience. This is the place to celebrate editors for their contribution. It is often under-appreciated because it can be "invisible". I think it was Kubrick who said that editing has a bigger impact on the performance of the actors than the actors themselves. I personally think writing and editing are very similar in terms of shaping story, character and emotion.

@samvalentine9243

This Guy Edits I'm all for celebrating editors. I love editing and agree it can be under-appreciated. However, I still don't see how most of what you discussed pertains to editing (which is totally fine but I don't feel that the "Science of Editing" title is appropriate). For example, the opening scene of Guardians 2 was not the way that it was because it was a one take and was cut to a cheap nostalgic track. That was just a bad idea on the page.

I also agree that writing and editing are similar, but the difference is that editing is more like a re-write. You can't just edit a film into existence. There has to be something there first. That's my point. Anyway, even though we may disagree on some things I do appreciate that you responded. Most YouTubers would not do the same so I really respect that about you.

@PauLtus_B

6y↑22

I'd just like to mention Star Wars here. I think the fights (well, the good ones) in those movies are a prime example of how winning and losing certain fights have to do with characters. I think the strength of "the force" in those movies isn't because of cool space magic, but to have a narrative reason why characters can win fights by overcoming emotional conflicts rather than simply physical ones.

@AnthonyWoodruffe

6y↑3

PauLtus B yes like the last 2 films with Rey vs Ben. You don’t actually know which one is going to win because the outcome keeps changing. The fighting creates suspense, that although you know they won’t die, the narrative is still moving.

@acrowbar2394

6y↑1

There weren't any lightsaber duels in Last Jedi

@PauLtus_B

+a crowbar
It sorta doesn't matter anyway, especially since there seems to be a lot of interesting force use anyway, which still plays by those rules.

@dallasdandigitalproduction393

at least thats true for the original trilogy. not so much for the prequels or the new series imo

@ralexis2143

Will Definitely Love To See A Movie You Guys Did, Since You All Seem To Be The Best Out There!...

@rockrecordreport7136

Great stuff to always be aware of when editing. But having the footage to begin with is up to the writers and Director in particular. This video with it's dead-on-the-spot observations seems valuable to a director even more so than an editor. Hope some or many of them see it.

@DandelionLakewood

Excellent discussion, thanks again for making great educational content!

@Workspacerealestate

Great job, great editing as well

@latinfunboy

love your videos Sven, they are truly exceptional

@calamari3707

6y↑1

I think when you go into a guardians of the galaxy movie, you go in for the spectacle. When a character dies, you are sad, not because of an emotional connection you had with them, but because they were badass and fun to watch, and you are disappointed you won’t get to see them again.

@ThroughOurLensPodcast

6y↑7

Thank you for this video.

@OitaOscar

So how does the mirror neuron phenomenology of Vittorio Gallese (9:01) relate to jump scares in movies? Isn't that the natural response to implicit certainties we hold about what we see? That is a body to body empathy, but does not actually make a good movie by itself. So, feeling with the bodies we are watching is important, but not enough.

@ponzee22

Love your videos.👍🏾

@FashionableFather

I’ve been trying to answer this question internally for years. Thank you!

@stevehullfish1993

6y↑1

Love this series. You really nail so many great truisms about editing. I was struck by your opening statement and thought that you should know this word: wabi sabi. It is Japanese for something imperfect where the imperfections make it better than if it was pure. Here's a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi

@moundofsound4768

Some very good points made. Yet another strong tube critique that would really help modern cinema if only it was seen and properly considered by more of those in such creative roles of production.

@foundational

This is really deep stuff. I need soe time to digest. Thanks!

@YxungHermes

This is a very beautiful channel. I'm glad I walked into it!

@DvntyDigital

6y↑3

Your videos have improved so much wow

@SurabhiChaubey

Love this video sir n I learned a lot from you ......

@vascofrancisco9903

Your channel is really helpful

@JustinBMcBride

This. Was. Awesome. I’m a film rookie, and this opened my eyes to so many new things! Seriously, thank you.

@myname9748

About the problem that action scenes can halt the plot, I wonder how much of this is down to the screenplay? I mean, how much are you able to save during the editing process when the screenplay didn't really give you anything to work with to begin with? In short, is this a screenplay problem or an editing problem?

@jaredkunish

really enlightening video good stuff man

@AnthonyWoodruffe

Your theory on how the narrative stops, how the viewer disconnects because we see no emotion from the character or empathise with what is happening because either we lack that emotional experience or the character isn’t portraying a relatable emotion or feeling, to me sounds spot on. That for example I found Dr. Strange engaging because we were taking this journey and learning new things with the protagonist. It could well be that now Dr. Strange has learned his craft we may feel very disengage from the character in the next Avengers movie.

@eyarbroughzone

Really love this critique! I dislike the final battles of most movies. I had an intuition what was wrong but this cleared much of that up for me.

@dsakax

I come with that in mind for superhero movies. It's just to enjoy the action and disconnect about caring for the character. In a way you connect with the character because it's a comic superhero and you feel invincible like hin along the movie. Cool video.

@Kradukman

This video is brillant. Great analysis, thanks !

@OfficialFire

6y↑3

This needed to be brought up thank you

@Unitedstatesian

6y↑1

Great evaluation of the problem with "spectacle" purely for spectacle. I agree 100% but there are people who enjoy the spectacle. Some enjoy the spectacle in musicals and some hate musicals. Same goes with action movies. I have long thought this about Matrix 1, but never been able to express the idea so well as you have in this video! There is one point where spectacle seems to be more acceptable, that is when it is new, something never seen before like 3D animation, the car chase scene from blues brothers which was the longest chase scene, etc... but it is rare and subjective.

@isaiahkazarovich

In action scenes, when values clash against values, (like when Frodo is deciding whether to destroy the ring or keep it; or when Captain America in Winter Soldier is deciding whether to continue to fight Bucky or let Bucky kill him), that is when action spectacle comes alive for me. It’s when the hero’s ideals are being put to the test, and we wonder which ideal will come out on top.

@calebrobertson5041

6y↑2

3:10
Agreed wholeheartedly. The humor escape keeps the audience entertained, but doesnt fix the vulnerability problem, which is why more serious moments dont land as well.

Tolkien actually has a great comment in "On Fairy Stories" about immersion in imaginary worlds. He makes the case that he is against the phrase "suspension of disbeleif" in the sense that some claim that you have to convince people of this first, and then theyll embrace the work, when in reality most are rather willing to embrace your narrative, they just may have taken it more seriously than you do. Tolkien makes the case for rules. He claims that the problem with some works isnt that some people arent willing to embrace your narrative so they arent immersed in it. Instead he claims that you established rules and you didnt follow through with them.

So with gaurdians of the galaxy, and in my opinion many of the marvel movies, they try to establish that the characters are in serious danger, and yet can also have comedic fight scenes where they cant be touched. They created the rule that these characters can be hurt and broke it by letting them dodge it.

@TheCardboardStarship

3y↑1

This reminds me of horror movies where one or maybe two people die in the entire movie, it’s hard to find the monster intimidating when everyone seems to have such an easy time escaping it.

@TheSchaef47

I was entertained by Guardians but the spectacle example to which i take exception is Civil War. There are a lot of character beats playing out in the airport scene shown.

Even though the fight itself is divided into two sides, a lot of people are there for reasons unrelated to Cap's goal to escape with Bucky and Tony's goal to bring everyone into line. Those motivations, in turn, drive them not only to one side of the other but also, simultaneously, into a number of the moments shared between various characters. Panther's thirst for revenge. Peter's desire to be like the people he idolizes. Vision's developing affection for Wanda. Hawkeye and Widow serving as a microcosm of how these are friends who shouldn't fight, and don't want to, but are caught up in something bigger than themselves.

Civil War isn't Citizen Kane but i think the Russo's actually do a good job of having their action move the story and characters forward, and making it consequential even without killing off their beloved characters (and there's even an in-world reason super powers don't bring those fights to a bloody end ten seconds in).

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