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Then Came Chaos
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Most interesting comment from YouTube:

@christopherwang4392

2y↑573

During the Battle of Berlin, Wilhelm Mohnke presided over a military tribunal consisting of Generals Hans Krebs, Wilhelm Burgdorf, Johann Rattenhuber, and Mohnke himself to try SS-Gruppenführer Hermann Fegelein for desertion. Years later, Mohnke told author James P. O'Donnell (1978) the following:

"I was to preside over it myself... I decided the accused man [Fegelein] deserved trial by high-ranking officers... We set up the court-martial... We military judges took our seats at the table with the standard German Army Manual of Courts-Martial before us. No sooner were we seated than defendant Fegelein began acting up in such an outrageous manner that the trial could not even commence.

Roaring drunk..., Fegelein first brazenly challenged the competence of the court. He kept blubbering that he was responsible to...Himmler alone, not Hitler... He refused to defend himself. The man was in wretched shape - bawling, whining, vomiting, shaking like an aspen leaf...

I was now faced with an impossible situation. On the one hand, based on all available evidence, including his own earlier statements, this miserable excuse for an officer was guilty of flagrant desertion... Yet the German Army Manual states clearly that no German soldier can be tried unless he is clearly of sound mind and body, in a condition to hear the evidence against him... In my opinion and that of my fellow officers, Hermann Fegelein was in no condition to stand trial... I closed the proceedings... So I turned Fegelein over to [SS] General Rattenhuber and his security squad. I never saw the man again." (pp. 182-183)

Source:

O'Donnell, J. P. (1978). The Bunker. New York: Da Capo Press.

All comments from YouTube:

@thekhoifish0146

2y↑4.3K

Somewhat unnerving how this minister went from ‘please take care of my family’ to ‘some of them may die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make’

@Wolf-wc1js

2y↑340

I mean the guy’s bringing his family to a fucking war zone rather than using his power and influence to keep them alive and safe elsewhere. He’s clearly not the most sane

@RealRotkohl

2y↑83

@@Wolf-wc1js Where was he supposed to bring them? Somewhere safe? The only safe place would've been another planet.

Also, what power and influence? He had none of that anymore.

@scipion34

2y↑54

@@RealRotkohl Flensburg, if he had a brain

@RobbertHoek

2y↑116

@@RealRotkohl Well for him and his wife there propably werent any real safe spaces anymore but the kids atleast would have been safe in Flensburg like Scipion34 mentioned but also Berchtesgaden i would think as that region would be captured by the western allies rather than the soviets

@jackzhang8677

2y↑35

Lmao the minister was a German Lord Farquad

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@bbenjoe

2y↑4K

Wilhelm Mohnke lived until 2001, he was one of the last living generals of World War II.

@misterbeach8826

2y↑402

And, he was in the Waffen-SS, an early and known Nazi. Something that was ignored in the film for dramaturgy reasons, probably, to portray him as a normal soldier.

@mrcaboosevg6089

2y↑169

@@misterbeach8826 He was tried for war crimes and found not guilty. If he had any real part to play in the Nazis crimes then there would have been plenty of evidence but non was found. He was a leader of soldiers, not a leader of a camp

@bbenjoe

2y↑546

@@misterbeach8826 Yes, that is true. And while some alleged he participated in the killing of POWs, he was never charged.

If he didn't do those things, that's good. And if he did, than he answers to God now.

@SmokinLoon5150

2y↑402

@@misterbeach8826 Contrary to popular belief, a person could have been a member of the Nazi party and not have been a bad person, or totally agreeable with the entire Nazi platform. There are many examples of people that were were Nazis that denounced their party and some of the actions taken during the war.

@666Kaca

2y↑13

@@misterbeach8826 most of the educated population were a part of the nazis, what exactly are you implying? If the allies killed every member of the party there would be no one left to lead the rebuilding effort.

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@crudboy12

2y↑4.3K

Downfall has some fantastic casting choices that really nail so many of these guys. Goebbels makes my skin crawl and he's instantly recognizable even out of context.

@Saurophaganax1931

2y↑305

He’s so skeletal that he actually makes the real Goebbels looks dashing by comparison.

@BegoneJonah

2y↑61

Those eyes!

@aaaht3810

2y↑83

The actor who played Mohnke, Andre Hennicke, also played fanatic Nazi judge Roland Freisler in "Sophie Scholl The Final Days". If you have ever seen actual film of Freisler at the trials of the 20 July plot conspirators, he looked eerily like him and nailed his fanaticism. Great performance.

@jp-sn6si

2y↑47

i never really knew what goebbels looked like, googled him just now after reading your comment and wow, the actor could be the guy's grandson or something.

@666Kaca

2y↑27

@@jp-sn6si most of the actors look like their real life counterparts

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@UNSCForwardontodawn

2y↑4.1K

you know things are bad when the Waffen-SS General is the one taking the moral high ground.

@maurogonzalez2999

2y↑113

Shit hit fan

@esharpeh

2y↑9

@@Blablablabla1ify exactley; the infamous "commando/commissar decrets" were violations of war conventions but since said commandos dressed as civilians, sabotaging/assassinating germans the "trials" were one sided. not a single allied soldier "was found" guilty and the blind eye to the soviets also speaks volume about the alleged motivation of these "humanitarians". allied prosecution was bigotry at its best. same rules should apply for both sides and bboth within and after the war. i wonder where the mystery man hid those 4-15 million ukrainians for almost a century lol

@Blablablabla1ify

2y↑16

@@esharpeh Probably hid them right in Whitehall and DC…
But yes, agree all your points.

@djacircordeiro6206

2y↑33

@@Blablablabla1ify The SS as a whole was a criminal organization that was a integral part of the most genocidical regime that ever existed, with plenty of historical evidence about it. No amount of "skill as a soldier" can erase that fact. The only part of the SS that you can make a argument for are some ethnic divisions of it, especially the conscripted soldiers of the Baltic States.

@Blablablabla1ify

2y↑219

@@djacircordeiro6206 I’m no Nazi, but they were not the most genocidal regime that ever existed. You’ll find that most historians will agree that between them, the USSR, PRC, North Korea and Khmer Rouge Cambodia (i.e. Communism) tallied up about 100 million murders. Stalin’s reign of terror saw at least 30 million murdered, 11 million of which were Ukrainians when he simply starved them to death by shutting of their food supply.
So no, Hitler’s Nazis rank fairly low on the scale of mass genocidal.
And regarding the SS, you’re only (loosely) talking about the Allgemeine (general) SS. The bulk of the soldiers in the Waffen-SS were simply proud nationalists (who would have almost certainly called themselves Nazis) who wanted to be the best. There were plenty of foreign volunteers who formed their own fighting units. No foreigners on anywhere near the same scale in the Allgemeine-SS.

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@hanzfranz7739

2y↑549

01:01 - He doesnt say "they'are paying for it", he says "now their throat is getting cut", far more sinister (even if it means more or less the same thing).

@maryl8614

2y↑49

And the part at 0:44, I think (?) I hear it as, “I cannot find any pity”, which seems like a much darker testament to his state of mind than simply “I don’t pity them.”

@MrBaladaum

2y↑27

yeah i noticed that his gesture might indicate something like that

@cjcanton9121

2y↑22

"Now even their little throats are being cut through"

@yannick245

2y↑21

The way Goebbels is portrayed is ridiculous. He looks so sinister, like a psycho and also acts this way.

In reality, Goebbels was a "funny guy". By that, I mean that he, for example, was entertaining and a lady's man. He was from the Rhineland (Rheydt, today a part of Mönchengladbach) and a so called "Rheinische Frohnatur" a stereotypical description of people from that part of Germany. It means that they are happy by nature. Carnival is pretty huge in that area and people are often joking around. Especially compared with the rather silent and serious people from Northern Germany, that foreign people have in mind, if they think about Germans.

@theshape3222

2y↑12

All the subtitles are off. Quite oversimplified despite the fact that a close-to-literal translation would probably suffice

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@pmcmanus420

2y↑1.1K

One tough SOB. He survived the entire war, spent 10 years in Russian captivity... and still made it to age 90!

@pandapandapanda1337

2y↑89

6 years in solitary confinement apparently.. that's nuts

@aldreymenezes7652

2y↑45

The soviets were too lenient and kind

@airsonurram189

2y↑74

@@aldreymenezes7652 so what are you suggesting they do to someone who, while accused of war crimes, was never convicted? Shoot them? Does that mean that the soviets would then have to shoot themselves too?

@DrPepper_V1

2y↑53

Absolute chad

@Kshahdoo67

2y↑25

@@airsonurram189 Stalin killed a lot of Soviet people. To him killing Soviet people was easier than killing Germans. Westerners don't like to talk about this, but Soviet soldiers were actually executed for killing German civilians. There was death penalty for doing this.

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@andrewpestotnik5495

2y↑4K

Poor Mohnke, all he wanted was minimize casualties when he knew the fight was over. Regardless of who he fought for or what flag he carried, he was a solid soldier.

@panzerivausfg4062

2y↑120

And he end up becoming a meme

@berrewexxer7285

2y↑225

And probably partly responsible for war crimes

@andrewpestotnik5495

2y↑394

@@berrewexxer7285 like every army ever?

@Ninja-kl8do

2y↑126

@@andrewpestotnik5495 Germany commited much more

@andrewpestotnik5495

2y↑249

@@Ninja-kl8do yes, they committed war crimes. Like I said, like nearly every army that's every taken up arms. Everyone from the Egyptians, Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, up to the Nazis and the United States. The whole "they committed war crimes" argument is not really a valid one anymore considering we have evidence that every civilization has done it at one point or another.

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@michalsoukup1021

2y↑1.3K

When an SS-general is a voice of reason, you know things got out of hand.

@FirstnameLastname-do1px

2y↑16

Mohnke wasn’t an SS general.

@JMark-zk5pj

2y↑170

@@FirstnameLastname-do1px Brigadefuehrer u. Generalmajor der Waffen SS is certainly a general. One star US equivalent.

@Warmaker01

2y↑37

Things were well out of hand for Germany long before this point. 1943 should have made it very clear with the Russians busting through in the East, the loss of 6th Army at Stalingrad, the Allied invasion of North Africa, the subsequent capitulation of all Axis forces in North Africa, the massacre of the Luftwaffe in the Mediterranean for North Africa and Sicily, the Allied invasion of Sicily and eventually Italy, etc.

Everything was irrevocably falling apart in 1943 and the Axis should have sued for peace. Instead they stubbornly held on. Probably helped by the fact that the Axis leaders knew they'd be hanged because of the vile crap they've done. So, their leaders doomed the average person to suffer 2 more grueling years of slaughter.

So, the disaster of 1943 ends and the Axis continues on into 1944 for even greater misery. If 1942-1943 wasn't bad enough, 1944-1945 would truly bring the slaughter and devastation to the Axis.

@Alaninbroomfield

2y↑4

Mohnke was Army, not SS. Or so I thought? Goebbels reference to his rank when he approached in the movie may not have been correct.

@JMark-zk5pj

2y↑27

@@Alaninbroomfield he was one of the original members of the lah, everything in the movie is correct he was not Army

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@Lerequindemort

2y↑1.3K

This short scene is so powerful. Frau Junge's expression. Monkhe (in this context the "decent man" and a proper soldier doing an impossible job) and Goebbels, arrogant and smiling at the fate of the German people. He's saying "you got yourselves into this by getting us into power". Totally unhinged. But...in a horrible way...correct. It's a tragic theme the whole film rests on.

@chat17

2y↑8

because yes nazi came from democracy, and it should make think ourself about what actually happens, because their sickness ideology is still there now ...in a new form... nazi cames from liberalism......... and west world is now dominate by neo liberalism, beast is here.

@robertnortan87

2y↑34

@@chat17there would be no nazism and probably no fascism at all without the communist threat. Peoples knew what was going on in USSR and except communists everyone would try to avoid it at any price.

@wolfplayer7815

2y↑35

@@robertnortan87 Fascism would've still been around in Italy

@45641560456405640563

2y↑4

@@chat17 Drugs are bad m'kay....

@mauroger86

2y↑2

@@chat17 What are you saying? Pls, revert back to books before you talk about politics again.

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@underarmbowlingincidentof1981

2y↑372

"The russians are shooting your men of the Volkssturm down like rabbits" is the one to one translation xD

@Ranger1812

2y↑4

That's disgusting. The murder of rabbits isn't OK and less important and vile than the murder of humans. It's evil. All animals have the right to not be kidnapped, enslaved, exploited, raped, tortured, and murdered.

@walterlems402

2y↑43

@@Ranger1812 🥱🥱🥱

@impostor8925

2y↑51

@@Ranger1812 bruh

@Ranger1812

@@impostor8925 Everything I said is true and should be said.
"See, Grindelwald doesn't understand the nature of things he considers simple." - Newt Scamander

@Ranger1812

2y↑3

@@mdgfb05 You say that like it's some natural classification. It isn't. You just made that up.
Rabbits are individuals, and all living things are deserving of life.

Yes it does. It's murder.

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@mitchlovesgames7281

2y↑2.4K

Spoken exactly as one would expect from a person who had all of his children murdered. This can all happen again.

@rithvikmuthyalapati9754

2y↑92

He mercy killed his wife and kids because he was afraid the Soviets would cruelly harm them.

@mitchlovesgames7281

2y↑311

@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 He could have sent them away somewhere safe, instead he brought them to the eye of the hurricane. He knew what he was doing

@Wolf-wc1js

2y↑113

@@mitchlovesgames7281 his wife Magda said later in the movie before they died that she couldn’t envision them growing up in a world without national socialism.

@mitchlovesgames7281

2y↑212

@@Wolf-wc1js I mean that's cool and all. I can't envision my kids growing up without Sega Dreamcast but that doesn't mean I'm going to send them to a warzone and then kill them.

@Wolf-wc1js

2y↑41

@@mitchlovesgames7281 my point was how delusion and fanatic the Goebbels were with mustache man and Nazism to the point where they believed it’d better to kill their children than live in a world without it

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@andybub45

2y↑48

“Not too much nightwear, that’s no longer needed” knowing what’s going to happen later on, that sentence is frightening

@Mugdorna

It illustrates the chilling self awareness of the senior Nazis

@christopherwang4392

2y↑573

@amilcar6355

2y↑2

Yo tengo una duda, porque himmler no hiso nada al respecto para salvar a feggelain? En ese momento ya himmler no estaba en el bunker, pero debió salvarlo de alguna manera asu perro fiel....ante una decision de hitler no podía hacer nada seguro, pero ante los generales si podía

@battaglino77

2y↑36

@@amilcar6355 By the very end the SS was fleeing for their lives. Many of them had already left the continent in Odessa, and when Berlin's destruction was imminent even more SS and high ranking party personnel fled West to either be taken into custody by the Western Allies or try to use a fake identity. Himmler included knew he was going to be called to answer for his crimes and their ilk regressed into an "every man for himself" mentality.

@Bakalakalajihad

2y↑3

So basically it was like that Gilbert Gottfried joke death or ugu.

@jamesgoldring1052

2y↑1

@@battaglino77 Sinking ship, and the captain never left the ship * cough * city

@timesnewlogan2032

2y↑16

A few years ago, evidence was found that Gunsche killed him, I believe out of frustration.

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@howardmctroy3303

2y↑46

Mohnke lived for 56 years after this, which is the length of Hitler’s entire life. Imagine living through something so insane and having decades to reflect on it?

@flyawaytodie

2y↑162

Downfall is one of the greatest WWII films ever. The actor playing Goebbels, Ulrich Matthes, really sold the role.

@1992AC

2y↑1.4K

Ah… it’s the Mohnkey man!

@agnivabanerjee3983

2y↑11

😀😀😀😀

@frododiddledeebipedybopedy9840

2y↑33

RetVrn to Mohnke!!!

@NyarlathotepWelfare

2y↑8

😅😅

@haydenthecactus2004

2y↑12

Monke

@sergeantsalty1236

2y↑20

Better then most of english/american names.
Like Dick or Abraham

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@bad74maverick1

2y↑323

I got to correspond with Mohnke before he passed. he was a fantastic wealth of knowledge. I asked him about his interview he did with J P O'Donnel. He said he felt good about the interview as it allowed a lot of the stories to be told that no one heard and the soviets denied. It's a fantastic book! He was always kind in his letters and open to any questions.

@bad74maverick1

2y↑3

@@Andras_Schiff I'll take your word for all that. I don't really know much about memes and other than youtube comments I have zero social media.

@luftwaffle173

2y↑4

Very interesting

@creemccune7757

1y↑5

@@bad74maverick1 that’s actually really cool. Yes he was a nazi I’m not glad about that but you can’t say the man wasn’t just a plethora of knowledge and history. Absolutely every and anybody from that time is tbh

@bad74maverick1

1y↑5

@@creemccune7757 You get the opportunity read the book "The Bunker". All the interviews are fantastic!

@Emanresuadeen

Er hätte aufgehängt werden sollen.

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@alex20776a

2y↑286

Reject humanity, return to Mohnke

@marcokite

2y↑2

what does 'return to Mohnke' mean?

@loulou-ol2fg

2y↑27

@@marcokite its all about the theory of Deez

@riccardoaltieri3540

2y↑4

@@marcokite it means candice

@mrcaboosevg6089

2y↑1

@@loulou-ol2fg You must have the mind goblin

@marcokite

2y↑5

@@loulou-ol2fg - what does that mean? what is 'the theory of Deez' and what does 'return to Mohnke' mean?

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@kh884488

28w↑25

The film has so many wonderful subtleties. I love the brief, knowing glance between Mohnke and Traudl at the end. They didn't say anything, but they both knew they are in the presence of a terrible human being.

@BarberJ95

25w↑6

And are both essentially trapped in this madness just witnessing it helplessly.

@asm7406

14w

Another deluded American propaganda follower who continues to believe that Goebbels is purely evil. He was not a good person but it is not what the allies or Hollywood movies say. This film approached what history says and from the German point of view.

@alfredovilla8560

2y↑75

Mohnke was especially well cast. This movie is fantastically well done!

@MachineGunGabe11B

2y↑35

0:35 his face says it all.

@mmr1412

2y↑126

The minister of propaganda saying: we didn't convince the people to go to war; they convinced us!

@roguishpaladin

2y↑1

But here's the thing - if one feels that they have the right to a say in their governance, then they must also demonstrate an ability to recognize propaganda and evaluate it without giving in to heuristic thinking. 1930s Germany failed in that regard, as has 2000s Russia.

@ruhri0411

2y↑2

Goebbels did not say that! He said that the German people had given the Nazis the order for this war and that they should therefore not be surprised.
He literally said: Now they (the people) will have their throats cut.
Nothing else was to be expected from these Nazi leaders, they had no respect for life.
I still remember a scene with Hitler from this film. The generals reproach him for sacrificing the best cohorts of German officers.
Hitler's astonished answer to this was:
But that's what they're there for, isn't it?

@666Kaca

2y↑1

@@roguishpaladin USA hasnt failed? Faked an attack on their own ship to declare war on vietnam.
Declared war on iraq and iran due to threats of nuclear weapons, not a single one has been found to this day.
Invaded libya to remove the "tyrant dictator gadafi", libya has been in a state of civil war ever since.
Constantly keeps putting military bases near the russian border even though they signed an agreement after the cold war which stated that they will NOT move further than germany.

If youre looking for propaganda masters look no further than USA

@davidb2206

2y↑3

The majority had agreed to the necessary and unavoidable fight against bolshevism (which was planning and preparing already in 1941 to take over all of Western Europe). They also agreed to "total war" (i.e., PERSONAL sacrifice) when it became clear mid-war that that was going to be the price of stopping bolshevism. Dr. Goebbels merely stated the facts and was entirely correct about this.

@che2462

Die Nazis wurden niemals von einer Mehrheit gewählt. Das Volk glaub 41%

Ermächtigungsgesetz waren die Politiker im Reichstag

@paulozhan

2y↑36

Mohnke is that guy, he knows his side is done, but he won't abandon it for the sake of duty.

@bcarreon6409

1y↑31

I got to talk to Mohnke’s grandson and he said this film’s depiction of him was spot on. When he first arrived in the bunker and met with Hitler and Goebbels he didn’t like them at all. They were prepared to let Germany rot to win a war that was lost.

@39mdg92

20w

You can't win a war that was already lost, they sacrificed the nation they supposedly loved just to prolong their wicked lives by a few months

@Tark75ifty

2y↑127

One of the best WWII movies. Made as close as possible to historical reality.
An incredible cast with a larger than life Hitler (Bruno Ganz).

@ShawnTinez

How do you compare life to an actor's ability?

@Tark75ifty

2y↑8

@@ShawnTinez I'm just saying that the interpretation of Bruno Ganz in the role of Hitler is masterful. we have never seen an actor take on this character so realistically.

@ShawnTinez

2y↑1

@@Tark75ifty True he was very good in that movie

@Tark75ifty

@@ShawnTinez
Glad you think like me ! 👋

@Ammeo

there is something fascinating about tbhis scene, which makes me come again and again watch it

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@jameschalker9264

2y↑13

Serious side eye from the radio operator. What a great film. Need to rewatch it one of these days.

@TheyRiseBand

25w↑2

I felt bad for the lowly radio operator. Poor dude, stuck in the middle of this nonsense.

@paulmasterson386

20w↑1

The radio operator also survived the war and 10 years in soviet captivity. He testified to what happened in the bunker,and was one of the last to leave.

@jimbo6514

2y↑127

Honestly, to me the most powerful part in this scene is at 0:18, that Goebbels had to look at Mohnkes rank, pause for a moment and then ask the question. I feel like as important as Wilhelm Mohnke was I feel like the amount of care factor that Goebbels had and he's not even recognising him straight away gave a certain level of arrogance. I love this clip

@frenlyfren

2y↑137

When in doubt, blame the civilian population.

bruh i never get this many likes ty u guys are the best <B

@wiardikijne5158

Happens all the time.

@XazerizX

Honestly people should feel responsible for the people they vote to power. This is an extreme case that's way too harsh. But in the end. When an elected leader declares war. That is the fault of whoever voted that person in.

@manjelos

@@XazerizX In Germany at this time was the trauma of lost world war, trauma from economic crisis and also from reparations. And there was fear from Russia and Communism. And democratic parties was fighting each other and had too many different ideas. So, at this time people did not had pretty much choices. This is somehow Putin have sympathy from people in Russia, they remember collapsed empire, loss of eastern Europe, lost war in Afghanistan and economical collapse in the nineties. So people see in Putin strong man who build Russia again, now he is not to be questioned even if he threat neighbours and also attack

@terrorsaur599

2y↑433

This is my favourite scene in the movie. Goebbels saying “we didn’t force the people” and “now they are paying for it” shows he isn’t a delusional monster, but a self-aware human being with a conscience.

The fact a person can know they are doing immoral things and yet still do them without any remorse or regret is absolutely terrifying.

@keksimusmaximus4597

2y↑12

Yes, nice fanfiction that never happened.

@gutholz4443

@@keksimusmaximus4597 ...and never will :D

@thegreenreaper6660

"isnt a delustional monster"?? Oh my frikkin gawd, you couldnt be more wrong about that.
Goebbels was the Nazi's Minister of PROPAGANDA!
HE determined the Narrative in the News. He determined what was published: HE manipullated the public opinion by ONLY selecting the information that was in FAVOR of the Nazi-Policy!!! Anything that critizied the Nazi-policy, especially in the last 1-2 years, was met with EXECUTION for TREASON!

Goebbels had grown só psychopatic in his selfrighteousness, that he was probably THE most delusional Nazi of them all!!
'Without remorse or regret'?? he WATCHED as his wife murdered their SEVEN children with a cyanide-capsule! Is that IMMORAL enough for you to realise he's a complete degenerate psychopath, fár beyond the point of treatment or curing?
Goebbels knew all to well whát he was truly doing, but as long as the Nazi's were WINNING, he found it justified...When they were losing, he escaped his justice like a COWARD and a grotesque MONSTER! Not for taking his own life, but for murdering his own children in their sleep!!!

@diocletian607

2y↑15

Yep. Goebbels was a true believer until the very end.

@Fusion991

Grow a pair.

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@auza8585

2y↑18

"They gave us a mandate" "the people brought this themselves" this is a prime example why we don't trust politicians till this day

@onlinecommentator2616

Oh it's not like that line was completely made up for the film. Haha...

@Martin2-0-0-2

2y↑10

1:10 "Awww... it's high time to look for another job!"

@future_guardian5_gaming

2y↑43

This is still by far on my top 3 ww2 movies because it doesn’t like glorify nazis nor make them seem like there the worst people to ever exsist a in this universe it makes them human and I respect that and it shows the good and bad and people reactions to the war and people’s beliefs and loyalties

@maxazzopardi7446

2y↑1

you should watch Letters from Iwo Jima if you haven't already. It's an American made movie about the Japanese perspective during the battle of Iwo Jima. Kinda has a similar effect like this movie

@PanzerBuyer

@@maxazzopardi7446 That movie was a joke. There was no quarter given in that battle. Soldiers mutilated each other before and after death. Historical fiction.

@maxazzopardi7446

@@PanzerBuyer a joke? that sounds kind of a strong way to describe it

@future_guardian5_gaming

@@maxazzopardi7446 will do thnx my guy

@navixaxa5023

Can you list the 3? Curious 🤔

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@CrazyLeiFeng

2y↑72

Mohnke was investigated after the war for war crimes, including allegations that he was responsible for the murder of prisoners in France in 1940, Normandy in June 1944 and Belgium in December 1944. He was never charged and died in 2001, aged 90.

@zachhoward9099

2y↑11

Also did 10 years in Soviet captivity

@CrazyLeiFeng

2y↑4

@@zachhoward9099 Many other German soldiers did.

@HydroSnips

1y↑2

“To be in close proximity to one massacre of disarmed, defeated troops safely behind the lines by your soldiers may be regarded as a misfortune, to be in close proximity to at least three massacres of disarmed, defeated troops safely behind the lines by your soldiers looks like war crimes”

As Oscar Wilde didn’t write. Still, that SS code of honour worked well didn’t it? “My honour is called loyalty” and all that ;)

@septimiusseverus343

51w↑2

That's the key word - "allegations."

@TheCraigHudson

2y↑12

Downfall might be one of the most important ww2 movies made to date. Bruno Ganz also arguably is the best most accurate depiction of hitler ever put to film.

@christianpervert525

2y↑258

"We didn't force the people. They gave us a mandate." - Joseph Goebbels

@nebelwerfer199

2y↑40

Like Biden?

@Jmike3543

2y↑78

@Graf von Losinj Amazing how they couldn’t prove any of that election fraud in any court in the country. It’s almost like trump made all that fraud up

@Sergeant_Camacho

2y↑11

@@nebelwerfer199 Like everyone.

Not only that old-corpse-moron, but everyone enabled their mandates at the moment we complied about everything, name the mask mandate, lockdown mandate, and now vaccine mandate; every single one of us wanted to be a “hero” and “save lives” during this covid-hysteria...

@BravoSixGoingDark

2y↑5

@Graf von Losinj 2024 sounds like a fun election year.

@serdirtbagoftheleft4045

2y↑30

@@Sergeant_Camacho just say you are afraid of syringes and doctors

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@herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513

A true hero. I will watch it again now. Without subtitles. I don't need time

@RtB68

2y↑57

"We didn't force the people"...Only lied to them, killed our opponents, declared any opposition to be a capital offence, shot detractors after a show trial and refused to surrender inspite of the inevitable consequences - known to all - from as early as October 1944. That counts as "forced" in my book.

@LOLERXP

Not to mention that in the last fair and open elections in 1932 before the Nazi seizure of power, they only got 33% of the vote.

@darthkek1953

In fairness, the Allies lied to their respective populations too, and dissent was crushed. There was internment of German and later Japanese citizens, without trial or evidence. Anti-war people in Britain were arrested and jailed without judicial process under "Defence Regulation 18B". Does that mean the Allies were also baddies?

@gaffgarion7049

What lies?

@Ammeo

2y↑7

I am not sure but there is something fascinating about this scene, which makes me come again and again watch it

@rscottus5454

2y↑37

Considered one of the most historically accurate film of WW2, based on Junge's accounts.

@NewNicator

2y↑330

I genuinely believe this is something Goebbels would have said at this moment in time (which is why I like this movie so much). Berlin was completely surrounded, the Third Reich, Nazi Party and their own lives were at stake. The amount of stress added on top of that leads to pointing the blame at who is responsible. In Goebbels’ position, he blames the people he convinced through his propaganda to go to war that it was their fault. Or as how he would have perceived it: ‘I didn’t force the people, I acted on their behalf. They voted for us and knew what our policies would lead to. They have only themselves to blame, and they’re paying with their lives for the war they wanted.’

@jamesbutler8821

2y↑3

Well Hitler at the end felt betrayed by Germany and had instructed subordinates to initiate demolitions of crucial works so that Germany would be a wasteland and postwar Germans would find it difficult to survive but they disobeyed him

@michaelscott5653

2y↑21

Well to be fair, he wasn't entirely wrong. The German people do share some responsibility for the Nazis coming to power

@captainnutsack8151

2y↑12

he's not entirely wrong in my opinion. At this point in time, obviously his opinion is just used as an excuse to justify. But there's a lot of truth there. The Nazis were elected legitimately in the beginning, and the populace knew what their goals were.

@BillinHungary

2y↑19

If you are wonderin if he really said that - keep in mind that Trudl Jenge, the secretary in this clip, survived the war, lived to a ripe old age, and near the end of her life published her memoirs and recollections of those last days in the bunker, and provided much historical information and authenticity to this film. She was uniquely qualified because of her position to witness a substantial portion of what went on in the bunker.

@antred11

2y↑2

You "genially" believe? Do you mean "genuinely"?

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@-Shadow__Rider-

2y↑17

Reject humanity, return to Mohnke.

@hopfinatorischerkuchenkrieger

Ah, Mohnke.

@nspr9721

2y↑26

Powerful, gripping film and some inspired thoughtful casting as well, down to details like Mohnke, creepy Goebbels and also Albert Speer - even Otto Geunsche Hitler's SS ADC. The actors chosen actually have a credible resemblance to the real-life figures they portray and don't seem like caricatures - this film totally nailed it.

@mauricehomevideos4334

2y↑1

Amazing movie, one of the best WW2 movies by far.

@bioveraorganics4369

14w↑1

One of the best movies of all time.

@qwertykeyboard7640

2y↑5

Ive watched so many of the Hitler skits I can't even tell of the subtitles are accurate any more

@Edo_Aelio

2y↑74

Putting Mohnke and the military stuff aside, it gives me shivers how a Reichminister like Goebbels, oficially one of the most evil human beings in the history, had a family and listening how he handles the typical family matters like the children's toys or nightwear makes this movie one of a kind

@NaokisRC

More chilling that he brings them to the bunker to eventually murder them. I think some might argue it was to protect them from the Russians but I’d not be surprised it was for his fanatical belief that they needed Hitler and Nazism and better to die than venture into that world

@gamerdrache6076

he also murded his family instant after russians were in berlin he was a bad father and bad person

@xisotopex

2y↑4

he didnt think he was evil. he thought he was saving germany, saving europe.

@Edo_Aelio

2y↑3

@@xisotopex All criminals thought the same, every action is perfectly justified

@TheAmazingAdventuresOfMiles

He tells his wife not to bring too many night-clothes for his kids because he intends to murder them (and he did). So after that polite request to his wife, in his next conversation he expresses that he doesn't give a stuff about all the thousands of civilians he's sent to their deaths. A really lovely guy all round - no wonder Hitler wanted him on the team.

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@markm734

52w

Love that little neck slice and nod he gives Mohnke at the end lol

@kawaguchitara1610

2y↑7

Japanese subtitles: Man, they are so fast.
German subtitles: The hell it takes them so long to change?

@sebbeflebbe1

2y↑9

This movie is incredible

@zachhoward9099

2y↑7

Everyone on here arguing about General Mohnke and all I can think of is for a man fighting in rubble and dust he still looks amazing in that uniform and that the actress who played Junge is very pretty

@slydogger

2y↑1

All the glory and none of the blame...perfect!

@rocketraccoon2002

2y↑40

Poor mohnke!! Skeletor was so heartless

@slowfieldgenerator

2y↑4

SKELETOR

@Lovecars1218

2y↑117

Just take a moment to appreciate how well Ulrich Matthes played the role of Joseph Goebbels.

@kaliyuga1476

2y↑7

He destroys the character, makes it so unreal it becomes a satirization of itself

@Buppasiri1

2y↑5

I think the whole ensamble made an impressive act. My favorite is Bruno Ganz.

@ruturajshiralkar5566

@@kaliyuga1476 why do you say that?

@ruturajshiralkar5566

He looks more demonic and deranged than the real Joseph Goebbels.

@RodrigoBorgia

2y↑3

@@kaliyuga1476Really? What exactly do you know about Goebbels? Butthurt because your heros are shown as eveil little losers? You know that Goebbels looked exactly like the people they throw on concentration camps. He was a skinny dwarf with a clubfoot. Did you read his diary? No? Buddy, all these guys that were the leading members of the NSDAP were some kind of pathetic little caricatures of real people. They were EVERYTGHING they fought against. Look at chicken-Himmler, at fat morphine-Goering, at clumpfoot-Goebbels, at homo-Bormann.

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@henryhamilton4271

2y↑20

This is like in "Animal House", when Flounder is told how he screwed up because he trusted the older frat boys.

@sayta251

34w↑1

That's the difference between politicians and soldiers, a soldier cares about his people.

@mitch4527

2y↑3

The actress who played Traudl Junge was stunning.

@LadyFairChildVideo

40w↑1

yes, Mohnke looks at her for a brief second and thinks "yea , i'd hit that" lol

@raymondyee2008

2y↑9

That escalated quickly.

@Jakob_DK

You do know what he is preparing for his own children ?

@Freddie1980

2y↑12

Germany had 400,000 men stationed in Norway and another 250,000 in the Courtland pocket which they could have ferried out, defending Berlin was clearly not a top priority for them

@mrcaboosevg6089

2y↑1

They were desperate to hold onto anything so when the time came they had a favourable deal at the negotiating table. As we all know though that didn't happen

@robertbruce7772

2y↑3

They did ferry out some of the Courland divisions out to the mainland, but they were also evacuating Prussian civilians, which took a ton of ships. Even if all of Army Group Courland was evacuated, the condition of the formations would not have helped that much against 9 million troops. I am not sure the "green" troops stationed in Norway would have made much of a difference either, but that was indeed a waste of troops.

@paulmasterson386

20w

Guderian had been demanding that Hitler withdraw troops from Courland for months,it was just another stupid decision by him.

@larry1824

Best film of it's kind ever. The Last Film Word on the topic!

@joespeciale5875

2y↑103

Gripping. The real Wilhelm Mohnke was an amazing soldier faced with impossible demands in defending Berlin for a group of madmen. He fought with exceptional bravery and eventually surrendered the city to the Russian Army, and yet survived prison camp and the war to return to post-war West Germany. It was a testimony to how even the Russians admired his capabilities and bravery.

@iateseveralpoundsofsemtex1577

Yeah! He was such an amazing soldier who did everything he was told to do! Like murdering POW's during the invasion of France, and the Ardennes offensive! Because that's what good soldiers do! Such a wholesome man, for joining the Nazi army, and more specifically, the Waffen-SS, to go on into an illustrious career to commit war crimes, and have the most brainless, and depraved modern people of today look at this shitbag of a human being, and call him a noble soldier.

@scottiramage317

2y↑1

The real Monke was a war criminal

@iateseveralpoundsofsemtex1577

@@scottiramage317 Just like pretty much anyone in the uniform of the Nazi regime. But you'll still have asshats like Joe speciale, and others in this vid's comment section practically whitewashing this fucking maniac of a "human being"

@lj.s.3021

1y↑1

Soviet army. Stalin was Georgian

@Elementalspecter

13w↑1

@@lj.s.3021 I didn’t know Stalin came from the US 🗿

@NemetskyCzar

2y↑54

"don't pack so many night clothes, they won't be necessary."

Soulless golem!

I trust it's hot where Goebbels is.

@matteoorlandi856

2y↑3

according to Dante, the worst part of hell is an icy land because tortures procure more pain when you are cold.

@kagtkalem7115

What does he meant with that?

@tbeller80

2y↑2

@@kagtkalem7115 there weren't that many nights left for the Goebbels family. He and his wife poisoned their children and then killed themselves.

@wilberwhateley7569

2y↑3

@@kagtkalem7115 What he was saying was “we don’t have many nights left on this earth.”

@zachhoward9099

@@kagtkalem7115 he knew he and his wife and children would soon be dead, what’s the point of bringing days or even weeks worth of sleep clothing?

@user-mz9ig5id3o

2y↑32

Return to Mohnke

@marcokite

2y↑1

what does 'return to Mohnke' mean?

@marcokite

2y↑1

what does 'return to Mohnke' mean?

@marcokite

2y↑1

i know what it means now, seen the pathetic vid

@marcokite

2y↑1

...or pathetic vids I should say

@matthewhaddon599

2y↑3

Completely absorbing film even thou it has English subtitles….I loved it!

@korpienmahtijullit7508

2y↑1

As a Finnish person, I grew up with English subtitles in most films, till I learned enough English to understand what they were saying. In some cases though I still have to check the subtitles, like German, Japanese or French films. It is worth the effort, many gems and masterpieces of the cinema would have gone unseen otherwise.

@AndyP998

47w

Suprisingly not all world is english and key thing in learning other languages is about reading and listening.

@Aenntw

2y↑4

'Repeat a lie 1,000 times until people either accept it or lose the will to fight it'.

@twentyseven747

2y↑3

go back in time i want to see mohnke

@erikeliasson4739

1y↑16

”They gave is a mandate, and now they’re paying for it” Great line

@belankanazuly8740

1y↑3

Reminds me of Führer of Ukrainian Reich Zelenski

@MakotoAtava

1y↑1

He not saying "and now they’re paying for it" he says "Now their little throats are being cut through"

@erikeliasson4739

@@MakotoAtava I dont know german my man, thats what the subtitles said bruv

@MakotoAtava

@@erikeliasson4739 Then you know it better now.

@erikeliasson4739

@@MakotoAtava thanks ass

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@dingdongyo6018

Still need to see this

@hereLiesThisTroper

2y↑53

It was at this moment that Monkhe realized that they were the baddies.

@toddwebb7521

2y↑17

Our caps have skulls on them

@WarriorsSon

2y↑2

A crack SS Division !!

@Shauma_llama

2y↑2

Nice reference. 😄

@saladmcjones7798

2y↑5

I'm sure there is a Russian secretary overhearing this exact conversation regarding the current dealings in Ukraine...

@flailingelbows7073

2y↑9

I see Johnny. I like

@JohnnysWarStories

2y↑6

My man

@agnivabanerjee3983

😀😀😀😀👍👍👍

@leolusanez5378

2y↑4

This is some solid editing on the uploader's part. He starts the video with Goebbels meticulously looking over his children's needs and telling Traudl to look after his family. Afterwards, we see him arguing with Mohnke, in front of Traudl as she literally turns away at disgust over his hypocrisy. He wants his family to be taken care of, yet doesn't care about all the families that used to believe in him and the Nazi ideology.

How the hell can anyone be a good father who looks after his children and a monster at the same time?

@Baalur

When you listen closely to what Goebbels is saying you understand that he is already planning to murder his children. "Und nicht unnötig viel Nachtgewand. Das ist jetzt nicht mehr nötig."
He was a monster through and through. The only thing he cared for was his ideology. And even that dedication was hollow if he actually said what they let him say in this film.

@emmanueldidier321

2y↑1

The "good father" had his 4 children poisoned...

@SuperCosty2010

40w

You do realize that he made preparations for murdering his own 6 children on telefon, right? That's why they "won't need more the one nightwear each anymore"

@dou5689

2y↑1

He repeated I don't pity them I don't pity them, then proceed to convince why he dose not pity them.
He is hypnotizing himself; yes he pity them at the bottom of his heart.

@jemperdiller

43w↑5

we need to return to Mohnke

@charleslarrivee2908

2y↑14

That awkward moment where one of the sanest people in the room is an SS General...

@auser2386

Their faces are so tense, good acting.

@TheRetirednavy92

2y↑1

Loved the movie.

@Ujuani68

2y↑3

"And not too much sleepwear. That is no longer needed.." 😱🤦‍♂️😨 Those poor kids!

@jeep146

2y↑7

When you elect a person to lead you that has no compassion this is almost always the result. The weak are thrown to the wolves.

@smithpoq

This is the 'realist' conversation I've ever heard.

@andy313131313136

36w↑1

Personally when I originally saw this scene I thought this Actor was portraying Gotthard Heinrici, a man who also commanded the forces defending Berlin. Just like in this scene he had no illusions about untrained troops thrown into the front lines, and said that he would not use them, for they would be slaughtered. He was trying to fight the war with rational strategic planning, and he objected to his armored forces being sent to Prague, however, Hitler was insane and did not believe his General.

@tcpratt1660

Heinrich was a WWI veteran, and by the time of the events in the film, he had already been relieved by Keitel from command of Army Group Vistula...also, Heinrici's nickname, "unser Giftzwerg", either meant "our tough little bastard" or "poison dwarf", was well earned, as he participated in his own Fuhrer conferences in the bunker, and gave level-11 screaming as good as he got, not just to Hitler, but Goering as well.

Another top level 11 yeller in Fuhrerbunker conferences who wasn't shown in the film was Chief of Staff Heinz Guderian (after his last conference, he was relieved by Krebs as chief of staff).

@cohenworrior898

2y↑13

While I don't agree with the psychopath, he does have a point: people who vote for raging mad men will have to face the consequences at one point.

@laggeryt7558

Sure, what do you do about reasonable men that later turn out to be dicks instead? Hindsight is 20/20. Not an excuse, but it's also not as black and white as you make it.

@Pau-hl1zg

2y↑1

@@laggeryt7558thats what happens when u vote for populism, which is what more and more people are starting to do

@kerim.s8801

@@Pau-hl1zg yes but populism in this era is different than in the 1920s.

@AnastasiaSaenz

Not if you look at the factors of what led to the general population of Germany voting for the Austrian ape.

@imtiazfromthehouseofthesea6849

2y↑5

BATTLE OF THE CHEEKBONES !

@marifeavenida9824

11w

Bro they both look like a fucking giga chads

@warmonger8799

45w

Perfection 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

@yasseral-quasmi1649

1y↑1

General Mohnke was Awesome

@samovarmaker9673

2y↑3

Reject modernity, return to Mohnke

@JMark-zk5pj

2y↑13

One problem with the portrayal of Mohnke in this movie, he was missing a foot from Greece in 1941. He was not running around and carrying men on his back.

@marceloaraujo4241

I watched this movie 4X in movie theather. Such a excelent portrait of the last days of 3thr Reich.

@Shregurun93

51w↑8

M O N K E

@sergeantscumbag2116

2y↑3

find it crazy a general needs to answer to a propaganda minister

@BuzbyWuzby

In one of those 'Downfall' spoof videos Hitler rages about Himmler writing-off his new car. In it Hitler calls Goebbels 'Skeletor' - I nearly died laughing!

@calvinsuu1949

1y↑1

When they were winning no one complained...yet when they start losing, everyone is a saint all of a sudden...

@VonSchpam

2y↑5

The difference between a Soldier and a Politician.

@vernshein5430

2y↑9

Bad orders should be disobeyed.

@johnstuartsmith

Bad leaders should not be followed. Bad people should not be made leaders.

@jimmyjazz1570

Pretty much what the IDF has written as part of their training program

@highsky6553

2y↑1

A true MohnkeS moment

@MichaelT-

34w↑1

"They gave us a mandate. Now they are paying for it." There was at least some truth in this sentences.

@Perracona

2y↑10

General Wilhelm Mohnke was 34 years old in 1945.

@zachhoward9099

2y↑6

A 34 year old highly decorated General, makes me feel like a life wasted at 35 lol

@kaifeng6649

2y↑1

Really? Dude look like he was 50

@ansikkk

@@kaifeng6649 stress due to a damn war

@pagodebregaeforro2803

2y↑1

@@zachhoward9099 dont. He could have died before your age.
He lost a foot at 30, and was locked up from 34 to 44.
Ppl need to stop fantasizing about some other ppls lives.