What Can I Do
The Bad Popes Lyrics

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What Can I Do

I watch the day fade away
Try to settle down
I walk around and try to find my mind
Our history and song
Everything upside down
We made our waves, but we never broke through

What can I do?

Say you’re gonna move back home
A thousand miles away
To family and your old friends
Now I’m counting the days
Till you roll out of town
I never thought that I could be so blue
What can I do?

Never really had the chance
To be what we might be
20 years between your age and mine
May the road be good to you
When you’re gone I’ll find

This foreign place that I once thought I knew
What can I do?

Overall Meaning

In The Bad Popes's song "What Can I Do," the lyrics convey a sense of longing, reflection, and uncertainty. The singer is experiencing a series of changes and is grappling with the emotions that accompany them.

The opening lines, "I watch the day fade away, try to settle down," suggest a feeling of restlessness and a desire for stability. The singer is seeking solace amidst the chaos of their thoughts and emotions. They are trying to find their own sense of peace and clarity.

The reference to "our history and song" implies a shared past or experience that has now become disjointed or confusing. The line "everything upside down" expresses a feeling of disorientation or being off-kilter. Despite their efforts and the impact they may have made, the singer feels like they have not achieved their desired breakthrough or recognition.

The next section of the song focuses on the impending departure of a loved one, possibly a romantic partner or close friend. The mention of moving back home "a thousand miles away" signifies a significant physical and emotional distance that will be created. The singer is counting the days until this person leaves, expressing sadness and a sense of loss. The line "I never thought that I could be so blue" emphasizes the depth of their emotions and their surprise at feeling this way.

The lyrics then touch upon the age difference between the singer and the person who is leaving. The "20 years between your age and mine" suggests a generational gap and possibly a difference in life experiences. The singer hopes that the journey ahead for this person will be positive and fulfilling. However, in their absence, the singer will be left to navigate a foreign and unfamiliar place that they once believed they understood. They are left wondering what they can do in this situation, uncertain of how to move forward or cope with the changes.

Overall, "What Can I Do" explores themes of longing, loss, and the quest for personal stability in the face of upheaval and separation. The lyrics reflect the emotional turbulence and introspection that accompany significant life changes.

Line by Line Meaning

I watch the day fade away
I observe the passing of time and the end of another day

Try to settle down
Attempt to calm my thoughts and emotions

I walk around and try to find my mind
I wander aimlessly, searching for clarity and peace of mind

Our history and song
The shared experiences and memories we have together

Everything upside down
The chaotic and disordered state of things

We made our waves, but we never broke through
We created some impact, but failed to achieve true success or recognition

What can I do?
Expressing helplessness and uncertainty regarding the current situation

Say you're gonna move back home
You've decided to return to your hometown

A thousand miles away
A significant distance that separates us

To family and your old friends
Reconnecting with loved ones and long-time companions

Now I'm counting the days
I anxiously await the departure and feel the passage of time

Till you roll out of town
Until you leave this place and move away

I never thought that I could be so blue
I never anticipated feeling so sad and downhearted

Never really had the chance
We were never truly given the opportunity

To be what we might be
To explore the potential of our relationship

20 years between your age and mine
There is a significant age difference of 20 years between us

May the road be good to you
Wishing you a safe and pleasant journey

When you're gone I'll find
Once you're no longer here, I will discover

This foreign place that I once thought I knew
Exploring this unfamiliar territory that was once familiar to me

What can I do?
Reiterating the sense of helplessness and uncertainty in the face of change

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Written by: Jef Chandler

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Comments from YouTube:

61lastchild

2y↑93

"Sustains them in spite of themselves."

Excuses for every sin...except their own.

Will

2y↑3

It's total bollocks anyway, control for the uneducated in times gone by

MrEpix

2y↑12

@Will I bet you’ve never read Aquinas or even Feser

Missy

Exactly,

CROSS BEARER

1y↑1

That’s definitely not what is going on here
If their sins were excused, all wool I’ll have been saints by now

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Bee Hive

2y↑119

Christ would not say this, they were heretics and not one of them were ever the representative of Christ on earth, the Holy Spirit is and always has been, John 15:26, 16:7-14…Paul, Peter, James, John or any of the other apostles never did, nor ever would dream of saying they were the sole representative of Christ on earth. All in dwelt believers in Christ are saints and we by this new birth are members of the body of Christ and heirs of eternal life in Christ, sealed and sure. Ephesians 2:11-15

Fearless in Jesus Christ

2y↑4

Thank you bro

NetChix

2y↑4

Thank you so much for saying this!

Leidersammlung

2y↑3

If you had not, I would have…thank you!

Steve Arttus

2y↑9

Interesting. Was Peter a heretic too?
Why do you say these men were heretics?

Fearless in Jesus Christ

2y↑10

@Steve Arttus you bough the lie if you believe the popes have anything to do with Peter *Biblically*.
Ps.: i don’t care about your human traditions. Jesus hated the traditions of the pharisees, because they believed those are more valuable than the actual words of God. Your denomination does the same.

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Vincent Peña

2y↑40

Just saying: couldn’t you make a similar argument for Protestant denominations? -viz., that in spite of their differences in secondary or tertiary doctrines, that Christ still sustains his bride?

RedeemedFromCorruption

2y↑22

No, because there is a difference between being a sinner (which everyone is), and being a heretic (which means you intentionally deny Christ's dogmas).

beezlebrax

2y↑16

Protestant denominations are not part of the Church. They are outside the Church. They are not part of Christ's bride.

Miriam Reutter

2y↑15

@RedeemedFromCorruption
I am a Protestant, how am I a heretic? By not being a Catholic? If so where does God say being a Catholic equals truth? What gospel did the Apostles preach by which we are saved?

Miriam Reutter

2y↑4

@beezlebrax
How would you describe a Church? What's Church?

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Dave

2y↑92

Must be nice to have a system where your actual Vicar of Christ™ can be a heretic, yet your position remains unfalsifiable.

Kevin Kelly

2y↑1

Infallible. The whole story is unfasifiable, ie unsubstantiated claims.

Beanch 96

2y↑6

@G K Pope Francis teaches heresy....not just in the seat of Peter, but he still teaches it

BrittLoves _Ya

2y↑10

Bruh the pope teaches to PRAY to and worship Mary and the saints.... Ahem THAT'S HERESY!!!

BrittLoves _Ya

2y↑1

@G K fair play dude, hey I love you and pray I see you in heaven regardless of our minor differences christ still died for us lowly sinners ❤️❤️

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TheWalruswasJason

2y↑56

I’m shocked! You mean a living mortal man, no matter how elevated or lofty his position on earth, can still be fallible and subject to the sins and influence of Satan? ( sarcasm) I think this argument highlights even more why ultimately lean on God over all else for our direction. Man is imperfect until we are United with our lord in heaven. Even popes.

John Evergreen

2y↑2

According to your own religious texts that’s not how that works

Ben Dover

The Bible doesn’t mention an afterlife, you just die in your body. You only get resurrected on judgement day, and God already chose his 43,000 righteous individuals that are going to Heaven. Those people have lived and died, and that’s why Christians think the world is becoming more wicked (when in reality, people are closer to a flock and more peaceful now than in all recorded history so far.)

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Kyle

2y↑26

You need two hands to count the really good ones as well. Just doing your job as the pope is expected and therefore neutral really. So really he's just describing a bell curve distribution (something that has equal but lower good and bad but a large grouping of middling values) but pretending that good popes are literally anything better than the worst. Essentially grouping all the middling good and okish popes with all the distinctly good popes. So now we see a Black and White fallacy essentially.

On top of all that because he pretended that a large proportion of the bell curve are all positive, he can then credit that large 'Good' proportion to christ which I just think is hilarious. You could literally use this argument on any line of world leaders from any system of power. Generally positive leaders amongst a few absolutely atrocious ones is not a Jesus specific phenomenon or something to be proud of.

Toxic Pea

2y↑2

I suppose you could also accredit Christ to all the "good" leaders of x institution or x country. God sustains all of us, even the bad ones, at least in the Catholic view.

RyanBlad

Using two hands to count the good popes is using too many fingers.

CROSS BEARER

Actually it is something to write home about
Especially if per doctrine , humans aren’t perfect and Christianity provides rules to help guide us
We are then left to judge the organization by those who followed the rules
A good organization is mostly intolerant of those that stray from the rules
So Scott Hahn is still on point

CROSS BEARER

@RyanBlad we don’t have 200 hundred hands

RyanBlad

@CROSS BEARER Good. That would be an enormous excess in the amount hands we need to count the good popes.

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RyanBlad

2y↑4

Well whoopdi doo, today we have a bad pope.

lauri oho

2y↑17

Mental gymnastics on olympic levels rn

Jess_the_mess

2y↑10

You mean like prot theology

lauri oho

2y↑2

@Jess_the_mess yeah true dat

Relajado

48w

@Jess_the_mess No, more like Catholics trying to defend idolatry

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Mario Limbaga

2y↑3

Except non of those Popes taught blatant heresy

vivek thakur

2y↑4

I respect and love the history of the church , like to learn and understand it’s doctrine , b it I just can’t get down w the popes and stuff

CROSS BEARER

Then why not find out how they came about

Fotis Von

Have you read Ignatius of Antioch?

HALLELUJAH

@CROSS BEARER Hmm.. is that necessary for salvation

Elijah_06

1y↑1

You should look into eastern orthodox, i'm sure you know what it is if you've studied the history. Traditional christianity without the pope.

Hazard

51w

@Elijah_06 You need the Papacy as an institution. To call all bishops equal is false. Not a single apostle or church father recognized such erroneous claim.

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Lew White

2y↑5

The Interloper says,
"There's still time to share Revelation 22:14.
Even the demons believe Yahusha is Yahuah, and shudder. It takes obedience to receive the Spirit of Yahusha (Acts 5:32). Malaki 4:1-6 has a message for all the inhabitants of Earth, but only 1 out of a thousand understand what it actually says."

Brain Trust 4 Kids

2y↑3

Why do you call me good. THERE IS NONE GOOD BUT GOD.

Isaac Dominguez

Is Christ not in u?

Majesty Studio Pro

2y↑1

I agree. The older I get the more I realise the church has fallen far from Chridt role but despite that he has used the Catholic Church to establish the Bible book, preserve it, present it and influence the world with it. We took the good and left the bad of the Catholic Church. Respect.

Fotis Von

1y↑1

If you knew what you were leaving you wouldnt have left, dont be ignorant.

Francisco Reyes

2y↑1

Good popes had good publicists.

Shawn Slaton

51w

The same thought I had...lack of anyone documenting bad behavior equals a "good" pope I guess?!?

WintersunExtras

2y↑6

It's almost as if Popes are just normal human beings who are capable of being just as flawed, or exceptional as any of us. Are they Earthy representatives of the creator of the universe? We have literally no reason to think they are.

Taylor Rowe

39w↑1

What Catholic has told you otherwise? They are people just like us, they just have a job and they can fail it or do it right. They have been given authority by God, but God doesn't love them anymore than He loves us. God can speak to us through the Holy Spirit, just as much as He can to the Pope. Remember Peter was a sinful man, but Christ still gave Him authority in the papacy (Matthew 16:18). There have been visions from saints of Popes that are in hell. There are also many in heaven.

Taylor Rowe

39w↑1

think about it as in we need an order structure for the Church. It doesn't mean God isn't the true head of the Church. And the reason I have not left the Catholic Church is because the Holy Spirit has told me it is the true Church of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the true head of the Church!!

Taylor Rowe

39w↑1

either way I am tired of Protestants going and generalizing all Catholics saying we are all going to hell yet we believe in the one true gospel of salvation by grace through faith and Jesus is our lord and savior.

Brad Ryan

2y↑1

The first requirement of joining the body of Christ is, you are not worthy. I wonder if any pope knew how unworthy they really are

ThatGuy

2y↑1

Ahh the usual denial and rejection of responsibility. I'd be interested to know how this guy KNOWS what an imaginary guy would think

Mohamed Musse

2y↑1

Don't look at the Pops they are not representing anything. Look at the Teaching.

Omar Torres

2y↑1

Amen.

Victor

2y↑11

When did Honorius, Alexander VI, or Benedict IX teach pernicious error in their papal magisterium? It is not a problem of bad popes, because these can exist. The problem is that there CANNOT exist "non-Catholic popes," just like there cannot be square circles. The formal principle that distinguishes Catholic epistemology is that, despite the personal faults of a pope, it is always safe to follow his ordinary teachings. He might commit sins against charity, but he will never commit sins against the faith in his magisterium, teaching something that endangers souls. Can that be said of Francis when he teaches that the death penalty is per se inadmissible, that adulterous couples living together is "what God himself might be asking" from them, and that calling Mary co-redemptrix is foolishness? Countless other examples could be provided.

It is said about bad pope John XII: "Divine providence, watching over the Church, miraculously preserved the deposit of faith, of which this young voluptuary was the guardian. This Pope’s life was a monstrous scandal, but his bullarium is faultless. We cannot sufficiently admire this prodigy. There is not a heretic or a schismatic who has not endeavored to legitimate his own conduct dogmatically: Photius tried to justify his pride, Luther his sensual passions, Calvin his cold cruelty. Neither Sergius III nor John XII nor Benedict IX nor Alexander VI, supreme pontiffs, definers of the faith, certain of being heard and obeyed by the whole Church, uttered, from the height of their apostolic pulpit, a single word that could be an approval of their disorders." (Fernand Mourret, A History of the Catholic Church, vol. 3, pp. 510-511.)

KF Gabriele

Excellent point! The common excuse of “well, sure he’s bad but we’ve had worse” is at best a cop-out and at worst a call for complacency in the face of probable heresy, blasphemy, and disloyalty. Even St. Peter, the Apostle and our first pope, was taken to task by St. Paul for his errors. And Francis, though our pope, is no St. Peter. The Faithful along with all prospective converts must see a Church wholly and unapologetically dedicated to Christ’s teachings - which are eternal, unchanging, and unshakable.

Victor

@KF Gabriele, there is one thing that should be kept in mind. St. Peter's fault, for which he was taken to task by St. Paul, was of behavior, not of teaching. Teachings of the pope to the Church, either solemn or ordinary, are always safe to follow, and these cannot be ignored or resisted, but must be obeyed.

KF Gabriele

@Victor Agreed. I was alluding to the point that all it took was poor behavior for St. Peter to be corrected and, therefore, how much worse that makes bad teaching (from a pope nowhere near the level of St. Peter). God bless… 😊

KF Gabriele

Cero You may need to reread my comment. “We need to do something” isn’t what I wrote. Far from it. I agree do with your reply, though. “We’ve had worse” IS an unhelpful statement (as I mentioned) and we definitely need to pray much, much more and with added vigor. Even so, no matter how much you may believe my comments were aimed specifically at you, I actually responded to and agreed with Victor’s statements regarding the speaker in the video - an author who is well known, influential, with a worldwide audience. Lukewarm, lackluster quips from THESE persons have the potential to negatively affect many of the laity as well as religious; very much like the lackadaisical Catholic hierarchy and irreverent priests. I feel your frustration and that of the Church, and I share it. But I will not commiserate, thereby adding to anyone’s despondency. Victor cut through the speaker’s wish-washy, irrelevant comments and refocused the attention to where it should be - on Christ, His ministry, and the truth - to which I’m fully in agreement.
God bless you and keep you!

Victor

YAJUN YUAN What I am saying is that there are numerous examples of Francis' teachings that endanger souls.

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Matthew van Wyhe

I would appreciate if he answered this question to the critics satisfaction.

Isaac Dominguez

This is a tiktok

Nathaniel Lathy

49w

String of bad Popes continues

Peter Hunt

You can only tell that a pope was bad if you think for yourself, instead of submitting to the total authority of the Catholic church. That pretty much sums up being a Protestant.

James Anderson

38w

Live Truth Live Catholic.

A C

2y↑2

If we have the gospels, why is a Pope necessary?

Losing on Lotto

2y↑2

There are also the gospel of Thomas the gospel of Mary the gospel of Judas the gospel of Peter the gospel of Bartholomew the gospel of nicodemus etc.

So when you say we have the gospels what you mean is we have the 4 gospels that the Holy Spirit through the magisterium canonized as scripture and to be worthy of teaching and to be used to discover true doctrine.

Andrew Nichols

2y↑6

Not according to Hebrews chapter 8.
We don't need a high priest we already have one and he is seated at the right hand of the Father. He poured out His Spirit over all mankind not just one person. Acts Chapter 2

Mary Victor

50w

†THANK U. WE ARE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE U AS A CATHOLIC REALLY TO HELP US. MAY THE LORD BLESS U 🙏 ABUNDANTLY. By Saba K and I was born in Middle East now Christian CATHOLIC & Canadian

Jesus Puente

2y↑1

You might think Christ sustains them until judgement day ….

willfire 03

51w

I’m sure plenty others will comment on the theological issues with this, so I will stick with statistical problem. While its accurate to say that only a few popes have been terrible to the level of Alexander VI, its not accurate to say that the rest have been above average. This doesn’t account for popes who weren’t lunatics but also weren’t virtuous, and it doesn’t account for popes who were just meh or average or just ok. It would be more accurate to say that popes are like any other elected office, its 50/50 and heavily dependent on political events of the time periods.

Mystical Glow TV

2y↑1

Christ is sustaining the bad ones?

Isaac Dominguez

Does He not sustain all?

Kris Van der Hoeven

2y↑1

Power and people, no deus in there.

Ewald Radavich

Romans 3:10/Romans 3:23/Romans 5:8
Romans 6:23/Romans 10:9-10
Romans 10:13/John 3:16/Acts 4:12
Romans 1:16

Arthur B

2y↑1

It is true that God uses sinners to do his work however those sinners do not claim to be infallible.

CROSS BEARER

In terms of doctrine is where that claim comes from

CROSS BEARER

@Arthur B the theology is that the Pope cannot make mistakes if he speaks ex cathedra or from the papal throne
On matters of faith and morals
Please learn what Catholicism teaches properly

Arthur B

@CROSS BEARER The Catholic Church even got rid of the second commandment and Split The last commandment in two to bringing up to 10 again. In order to accommodate the idolatry and idle worship. Did God tell one of the popes to get rid of the second commandment?

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Peach Nehi

2y↑1

they are only human - we are all hopeless cases - that is why God sent Christ and the Holy Spirit

I love Christ

2y↑13

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9 From the Bible ❤

Jason Mitchell

Yeah but work out ur Salvation with fear and trembling

SaintOtter

2y↑1

@Jason Mitchell
Not: get yourself salvation by working.
But: go and flex with the salvation you were given for free.

Jason Mitchell

2y↑1

@SaintOtter its not the works that saves you! The works are evidence that your saved! Do you love your enemies and pray for them are there things you do differently now that your saved? Did Christ change ur way of thinking? This is evidence that your saved! If there is no difference in your life and you are the same as you were before being saved then your conversion is fake! Fighting sin fighting the flesh is hard work! So works out your salvation with fear and trembling or is there scriptures you ignore?

Jason Mitchell

2y↑1

@SaintOtter work out your salvation with fear and trembling! When your saved we fight against sin it can be hard work to deny the flesh but thank God we have a helper

SaintOtter

@Jason Mitchell
Amen. It's not the works that save. That was exactly my point.
You formulated it nicely.

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Merry Salas

45w

Wow, I'm surprised by the comments; regarding the topic, Christ already said that whoever has never sinned should throw the first stone, how easily we judge without looking at our own sins. Popes may be better or worse, but we are not judges. On the other hand, stop comparing the church with a democratic system, where you vote for the president, it doesn't work like that. If you see someone doing something wrong, you pray for them and perhaps offer fraternal correction, but without condemning, as it is not a Christian attitude. Where have we left loving our enemies? Less judgment and more prayer.

Jon Baker

2y↑1

Yeah this isn't biased at all

dan hickey

I mean it's a Catholic podcast...what did you expect.

Golz

2y↑9

Most of you just commented without watching the whole video….. To understand why is he saying this, watch the video.

Success Greenman

2y↑2

You are right. He was from Denom. He knows a lot. He has already observe from a long time what Jesus wants him to be.

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Kyle Stewart

2y↑1

Doesn’t the existence of “bad popes” suggest that whomever occupies the title of “pope” isn’t actually God’s chosen representative on earth?

Don’t Catholics need to reconcile this issue? Either every pope is a legitimate representative of God, in which case, most Catholics don’t actually agree with what God wants in many cases. Or the pope isn’t actually God’s chosen representative. It really can’t be both, as far as I can see.

How could one make any sense of this? Sometimes God chooses the right pope and sometimes he doesn’t? It seems more likely that God isn’t the one choosing who becomes the pope. But that leads into whether the Catholic Church actually has the moral authority it claims to have and truly speaks for God.

No disrespect to our Catholic brothers and sisters but this seems like a huge problem to me. If all Catholics are commanded by God to respect, obey and believe in the supreme moral authority of the Catholic Church, I don’t really understand why so many Catholics feel free to classify good popes and bad popes. I think that not being able to square that circle is one of the many things that rightfully drives a lot of people away from Catholicism.

MrEpix

So the 12 Apostles weren’t fallen sinners either?

Kyle Stewart

2y↑1

@MrEpix Weren’t the apostles essentially just loyal followers who went out to spread Jesus’ message?

I think there’s a pretty big difference between personally deciding to become a follower of Jesus and claiming to be God’s singular chosen representative on earth.

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Al Tudy

2y↑2

Yet we now have a Pope who isn't even Catholic!

Chevy Chase

2y↑1

In revelation 18 they are destroyed

dan hickey

revelation is not in reference to the RCC

Gem Guy

2y↑2

There are none good, no not one.

Isaac Dominguez

You don't have Christ in u?

dan hickey

What about the many MANY popes martyred for the faith? Use your head. Pitiful.

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Wicom

2y↑6

Christ is sustaining the bad ones my goodness what filth .....

Wicom

2y↑5

Cero he never was with the Roman church ....but Jesus is most definitely with all the Catholic ppl that love Him and honor Him and obey His words.

Jesus is not even coming to Vatican when He comes back. He is going to Jerusalem.
If the Pope's were His men the right thing to do when you come back is to go to your HQ in Rome. NOT happening.

Wicom

2y↑4

Ceroit's good for you. But once you start reading the Bible for yourself to learn it from cover to cover. Without what man wants to interpret for you - that will be another story and a new day.

Wicom

2y↑5

Cero ofcourse Catholics read the Bible ...but there is a huge difference when you read the Bible asking that the Holy Spirit would lead YOU and guide YOU into ALL TRUTH as Jesus promised us. As opposed to you reading the Bible in line with traditions and all the additions of men compounded over 2000 years.

Wicom

2y↑2

Cero yup you are right in the part of individualism and personal revelation. As ppl have gone off the deep end. But there is the true way with the Holy Spirit that Jesus wants us to walk.

The church is as Jesus said in revelation...the Laodicean church fat and rich but Jesus said they are poor and blind, Jesus is standing outside the church knocking to get in.

My Discord Name is "tafazzi", hit me up if i reply

2y↑3

If I had to choose a sola scriptura religion I'd go to Islam before protestantism, since at least the Quran supports sola scriptura

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steve matthews

2y↑2

Didn't know there were any good ones

CROSS BEARER

Learn history and find out for yourself

Isaac Dominguez

Majority of them were

dan hickey

@Isaac Dominguez vast majority

Ron Felix

Not sure about sustaining. When James talked about elders answering for the spiritual health of their flock on judgment day, imagine answering for all of the Roman Church and being a bad pope. You forgot Leo in that mix

EnderJammer

2y↑5

Except, Jesus never created the idea of the Pope and I'm sure he didn't think it a good idea to make one centralized church.

dan hickey

Read your Bible, he definetly did think it was a good idea to have a centralized church. he founded a Church, not denominations.

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dfsnsdfn

2y↑6

it’s almost like the pope is just a normal personal who literally isn’t touched by some supernatural power or presence in any way

CROSS BEARER

1y↑3

Nope
It’s a person with free will
Doing a supernatural job

nun ya

None of them were of the father.

FOX HOLLOW ANTIQUES Creswell Or

39w

FYI...THEY ARE ALL BAD...now you need both hands and feet to count just some of the "BAD ONES" So glad we have JESUS!

godrich khaniki

i think it's not about the pope but about popecy and its teachings, what makes popecy strange is it's teachings related to the bible, that's the major issue.

Philip Howard

2y↑1

We need a Pope Pius X111

Montana Perkins

51w

So much for papal infallibility

steve Moog

Maybe the church isn’t the Pope. For Christ leads his church thru the Holy Spirit not any man. It’s too big a job for any man. Being in relationship with God is the key. You can’t follow any man, it has to be Christ. Let us remember who saves us. Let us remember why he saves us.

Abu Lahab

2y↑3

Lol When Christ returns, He won’t be returning to Rome!

Ron Bernardi

2y↑2

Sustaining utter BS

Unborn Human Rights

Yes because we look to Christ for our Truth. The job of tbe Pope is to tea I Christ's truth. It's not Christ's fault when they don't. But even the bad popes taught many things right. They just got some things wrong. Also the apostles were a mixed bag too. Jesus still chose them!

Archeon Wanlorn

2y↑1

I am a perfect being that doesnt know how to always choose good popes.

Hortence Keita TCS

2y↑5

Oh Hail nah. Christ did not establish the papacy or the Vatican neither did the apostles. That establishment isn’t right. Sure there were decent people in a borderline heretical position. But it’s still a bad establishment

BakPak Gaming

Agreed, no where in scripture does anyone establish the church in such a way.

And never does the “authority” of the Apostles get passed on through a selection process which is similar to the Mr Universe contest.

Markie03

2y↑8

@BakPak Gaming So which come first, the scripture or the church? Do you think the apostles and early church didn’t do anything prior the bible? The church is not bound by the scripture because it came first. The bible is a product of the church’s tradition and scripture itself never said to use it as basis of how the church will be or function. If i’m wrong show me where the scriptures says so.

Dan D

The acknowledgment of the papacy and the beginnings of the Christian (Catholic) church can be viewed in any secular European history or western civilization history book.

Eddie

2y↑3

They're all bad!

mhoward1456

I would say EVERY Pope that disagrees with scripture alone, Jesus alone, gospel alone,, faith alone, grace alone is sufficient - is an anathema to Jesus name and anti-Christian! Which is what EVERY Pope has said about all Protestant Christianity. So who's right?!

dan hickey

The Church Fathers compiled scripture. Also, when we say we do not believe in Sola Scripture, it's important to note that we believe that there is no new revelation beyond Paul and the apostles. So when we reference tradition, it comes from them. We also believe in salvation by faith through grace.

Sneaksy Ranger

If only a few popes are saints, then there are hundreds of them in hell

Isaac Dominguez

Not being a saint doesn't mean you're bad

dan hickey

many popes are saints. the first 30 or so popes were martyred for the faith. admittedly, some popes, especially in the middle ages, really sucked.

RambleGamble

Dude talks about popes like they're first round draft picks. Come on dude. Stop coping

Omoro Ragland

2y↑1

No pope is good 🤦🏿‍♂️

dan hickey

The first 30 popes died for the faith.

Sumer Dhaliwal

Lmao all that money and property, ridiculous in todays world, if people believed themselves and their own community then I’d imagine your own neighborhoods would grow rather than the faraway Vatican estate

Ann M.

What do they mean by anti-popes? They are listed with the good ones

GoforthAmericaChannel

2y↑2

Come out her my people! He's talking about the Catholic church. Idolatry is extensive

Elias Valle

This is terrible. I though the pope is the vicar of Christ. He should be the best. I don’t see that. Christ is sustaining everyone. There’s good and bad in everything. I would say, “Try again”. God be with us all in Jesus mighty name 🙏❤️

scott simmons

This is Scott Hahn giving Bergoglio, the worst Pope in the history of the Church, a pass. Shame on Hahn. Pope Francis is suppose to lead the Church instead he is destroying her. Weak.

stemofthefly

Pope? Peter - the supposed first Pope didn’t call himself a Pope - rather he called himself an Elder -
1 Peter 5:1:
“So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a partaker in the glory that is going to be revealed:”

dan hickey

The constant reference of Peter as first of the Apostles supports his primacy.

stemofthefly

@dan hickey I provided concrete evidence that Peter did not consider himself as a Pope. You provided nothing to counter this evidence other than an unsupportable claim.
I firmly believe that you realize what I have provided is absolutely true and you are bothered by it. So bothered, that you are trying to appease your conscience by replying to my post with an untrue, unsubstantiated statement.
Please understand that it is God’s Word that is our Authority

dan hickey

@stemofthefly God's word as compiled by who? The traditions of the earliest Christians (the apostles) must be considered sacred, they were inspired by revelation through the Holy Spirit. Also we can see clearly by some of their writings that Peter was made the leader of the Church, and that he passed that down. Clement of Rome was in fact ordained by St. Peter himself. The history is all there.

Richard Wallach

By your own standards a pope should be as holy as an apostle. They are not

Jess_the_mess

Too many people commenting on things they know nothing about in this thread

Scooby313

2y↑1

Yep, and all based on make-believe.

John Bergeron

Better read your Bible before it's too late

Scooby313

@John Bergeron I read the first line of the bible. "In the beginning, God.......". Then realized God/Yahweh has never been demonstrated to exist in reality in real-time. So I put it down because I don't have time for fictional books.

dan hickey

@Scooby313 even as just a historical text, the Bible has massive value and is the basis of western culture and philosophy. Any half-intelligent atheist would admit that the Bible is an important book which ought be studied.

Uvynel Antiquina

2y↑1

HOLY TRINITY, ONE GOD have mercy on us

mark ortiz

2y↑2

All Demons

Isaac Dominguez

Speeding Jesus gospel is demonic?

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albusai

44w

😂😂😂 they were supposed to been chosen by the Holy Spirit 😜😜 🤡

DeusVult1993 CODm

If Honorius is a bad pope how in the bloody world are jp2 paul vi and John 23 saints? Thats just backwards

Isaac Dominguez

Why do u say Jp2 is bad

DeusVult1993 CODm

@Isaac Dominguez he kissed a quaran which contains blasphemy against the trinity, the Assisi event, he pronounced heresy on many occasions.
Honorius never pronounced heresy, he only failed to condemn one and was himself condemned.

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name not available

Jesus wouldn't even recognize the Catholic church. Sustain them? Nah. He'd be like, "Wtf?" lol

First Name Last Name

2y↑2

He did recognize it as the genuine church. How? He presented himself and his Mother Mary to prophets and Saints and told them about the church and much more. It's in records and there's testimonies on YouTube you can watch.

dan hickey

I strongly doubt he would say that

Patrick Lowndes

2y↑1

I think the Lord referred to his Sermon on the Mount as "The Rock" that he would build his church on. Not Peter, Not the Roman Church

James Bass

He meant the Faith that Peter had in him would be the Rock. Jesus is the corner stone. Yeah the Roman Catholic Church is not the anointed Church of the World.

Joseph Tran-Day

Jesus Christ said who here does not have sins can cast the first stone. We must always remember Jesus Christ did not cast his stones but Jesus help sinners get out from sins. Pope is a vicar of Christ but they are also human. Pope are not God. They are just Jesus’ representative.

Marc Crotty

1y↑1

Jesus founded His Church on a man who denied Him three times. One of the 12 Apostles betrayed Our Lord. Men always have feet of clay. God works with human frailty. I love my Catholic Faith.

SH0YU

No sorry anything that is not righteous is not sustained by my lord but rather the devil.

mac castle

2 Thess. 2:3-8

Jules xxx

No pope needed

Fotis Von

read ignatius of antioch

nzvsaus

You only need one lie to corrupt the truth.
I guess we will get the answers about this stuff soon enough 😇.

Jeremy Kingsmore

Jesus would say "away from me, ye workers of iniquity. For I never knew you."

Joshua Jonah

Christ doesn't say any word for supporting papism.

Adam Smashed

First off they claim they are God's gateway and if you don't acknowledge the church despite acknowledging Christ in your heart you will burn in hell without communion and confessions.

Secondly they lived extravagantly more so than kings! Kings could lose their lands and wealth and they'd come and go in Europe for 1300 years.

Good luck being a king who is not recognized or annointed by a Bishop. The church owned lands outright and levied taxes and took tithes from lords and kings and good luck on military campaigns harming a man of the cloth or raiding church lands.

The church had so much power politically and economically and their members living these extravagant lives was everything that Jesus was against.

sondergarden

2y↑2

Claiming to speak for Christ 🤣

Kyle Burt

Least delusional catholic apologist

William Gadomski

Some are saints, some are not...

All believers are saints according to the Bible.

godrich khaniki

it's teachings makes someone to ask him/herself is it really rooted from Christ?

Blake Roy

2y↑2

“Christ was sustaining them.” ???
What the hell does that even mean?

Colton

Men are not holy, Jesus would not be proud of the Catholic Church. We are here to serve Him.

Jacobus Van der Merwe

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Matthew:7:17A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Matthew:7:18Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matthew:7:19 the fruit of sun worship is homosexuality Romans 1 v 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans:1:26

KENDALL_KNOWS_BEST!

Shame it's not real eh 🤷‍♂️

Faith

Sound like a bunch of bologna to me

nothere

2y↑1

O Lord to believe that the messiah was sustaining bad popes in the Catholic Church and all those atrocities is madness that's why the Catholic Church is as far from God as you can be in an organization