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1) The Citizens are an American band consisting of five members: Thom Loubet (guitar), Mark Lesseraux (vocals, keyboards), Jason Dimatteo (bass), John Bollinger (drums) and Katherine Miller (vocals, keyboards). The band debuted in 2002.

2) The Citizens are a London-based British indie funk and hip-hop band consisting of three members: Charly (vocals, guitar), Tom (bass) and Guillaume (drums)..

3) The Citizens are a teenage punk duo from Asheville, NC.

4) The Citizens were a Pittsburgh-based American ska band consisting of six members: Jon McCune (vocals, guitar), Chris McCune (vocals, drums, Jake Huffmeyer (saxophone), Dan Rosa (vocals, bass), Greg Hill (trumpet) and Kevin Corcoran (trombone). The band debuted in 1996 and split in 2002.

The band sometimes used additional members: Chris Bowser (vocals, guitar, bass), Mike Webber (trombone), Scott Rutledge (vocals, bass), Chad Neville (tenor saxophone, vocals) and Chris "Duke" Newcome (vocals, guitar). It released two albums: How to Start a Riot (2001) and So, Anyway (EP, 2002).

5) The Citizens are a Riga-based Latvian alternative rock band consisting of six members: Jānis Pētersons (vocals, guitar), Līva Aldere (vocals), Rihards Klūga (guitar), Roberts Veics (bass), Reinis Višķeris (keyboards) and Krišjānis Auziņš (drums). The band debuted in 2010.

6) The Citizens, formerly Christian Slayder (2006 - 2010), were a band based out of the San Francisco Bay Area who, in 2010, started playing a new form of music based around the peanut butter - chocolate situation of country and rock, with a strong emphasis on kicking ass. They had 3 members: Kerry (Guitars, Vocals), Allen (Bass Guitar), and Ian (Drums). You can find their first album at their Bandcamp. They went on hiatus in 2012 after the release of one full-length and three demos. There are live videos of performances by the band here.

In Your Stars
The Citizens Lyrics

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Oh I
I just died in your arms tonight
It must have been something you said
I just died in your arms tonight

I keep looking for something I can't get
Broken hearts lie all around me, and I
Don't see an easy way to get out of this

I've lost and found
It's my final mistake
Loving by proxy, no give and all take
'Cause I've been thrilled
To fantasy one too many times

I, I just died in your arms tonight
It must've been something you said
I just died in your arms tonight
Oh I
I just died in your arms tonight
It must've been some kind of kiss
I should've walked away
I should've walked away
I should've walked away

I, I just died in your arms tonight
It must've been something you said

I just died in your arms tonight
Tonight

Overall Meaning

The Citizens' song "In Your Stars" begins with a poignant declaration of feeling, with the singer expressing the intense emotional impact of a certain interaction with another person. The lyrics "I just died in your arms tonight" convey a sense of emotional devastation and vulnerability, suggesting that the words or actions of the other person were so powerful that they had a profound effect on the singer. The repetition of this line emphasizes the depth of the impact and the overwhelming nature of the emotions experienced in that moment.

As the song progresses, the lyrics delve into a sense of longing and searching for something that seems elusive. The lines "I keep looking for something I can't get / Broken hearts lie all around me" speak to a feeling of emptiness and heartbreak that surrounds the singer. There is a sense of being trapped in a cycle of pain and confusion, with no clear way out of the emotional turmoil that has consumed them. This theme of being lost and unable to find solace adds layers of complexity to the narrative of the song.

The lyrics continue to explore themes of mistakes and regret in relationships, with the singer acknowledging that they have made errors in their pursuit of love. The lines "It's my final mistake / Loving by proxy, no give and all take" suggest a pattern of behavior where the singer has prioritized their own desires and fantasies over genuine connection and mutual understanding. This self-awareness adds a sense of introspection and depth to the lyrics, as the singer confronts their own shortcomings and destructive tendencies in relationships.

The song culminates in a bittersweet reflection on a missed opportunity for a different outcome. The repeated refrain "I just died in your arms tonight / It must've been something you said" captures the lingering impact of that pivotal moment of connection or rejection. The regret and realization that things could have been different if the singer had chosen to walk away adds a sense of melancholy to the narrative. Overall, "In Your Stars" is a powerful exploration of love, loss, and the complexities of human emotions, presented through evocative lyrics and emotive storytelling.

Line by Line Meaning

Oh I
Expressing personal distress or astonishment.

I just died in your arms tonight
I felt emotionally overwhelmed by your actions.

It must have been something you said
Your words had a profound impact on me.

I keep looking for something I can't get
I am searching for something unattainable.

Broken hearts lie all around me, and I
Heartbreak surrounds me.

Don't see an easy way to get out of this
I feel trapped and don't see a simple solution.

I've lost and found
I have experienced ups and downs.

It's my final mistake
I have reached a critical point of error.

Loving by proxy, no give and all take
Engaging in a one-sided relationship.

'Cause I've been thrilled
Because I have been excited.

To fantasy one too many times
Indulging in unrealistic visions too frequently.

It must've been some kind of kiss
That kiss must have had a significant impact.

I should've walked away
I should have chosen to leave.

Tonight
Referring to the present moment.

Lyrics © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC
Written by: Nicholas Eede

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Dude13450

1y↑3

The reason you didn't see a terribly noticeable difference is because your CPU can only process so much bandwidth. The NVME, iirc, uses the same bus as the PCI, so you only have so much to access between the GPU and the NVME drive in such an intense game. At the same time, while the information may travel faster on the PCI bus, it still gets queued in your RAM.

With an SSD, you get a significantly smaller bus (SATA6 is 6 Gigabit per second, 750 megabyte per second, whereas PCIe 4 has a bandwidth of 512 gigabit per second, or 64 gigabyte per second). The reason why it's irrelevant is because Star Citizen is severely CPU intensive due to being nowhere near optimized. This stresses the CPU to not only process the game's code, but to also process the RAM cache, sending information to the PCI for the GPU to en-/de- code, other background information, keep your OS running, etc. The RAM for an average DDR4 is around low 20s gigabyte per second (160 gigabit), so there are two main limiting factors in SSD vs NVME: bandwidth used and the max bus rate of a CPU.

In the case of my Ryzen 5 2600, my bus rate is 4 x 8 gigatransfers per second, or roughly 4 x 8 gigabit per second (according to Quora), or 4 x 1 gigabyte per second. So theoretically, I have a max bus rate of 4 gigabyte per second between all 4 busses. Between RAM, GPU, and storage, that's not a lot and nowhere close to fully utilizing an NVMe drives abilities. Compared to a 12900k's max bus of 8 x 16 gigatransfers per second (roughly 8 x 128 gigabyte per second), my CPU is obviously and MASSIVELY slower in comparison.

The difference between an SSD and a mechanical HDD is astronomical since the HDD maxed out at an average read speed of 80-160 megabytes per second, the HDD is nowhere near properly utilizing a SATA6 port, where as an SSD's read speed of up to 550 megabyte per second is lot more useful.

I'm not a computer science guy, just attempting to nerd out my best via Google, so I may not necessarily be correct on how busses work.

For star citizen, the biggest jumps are going to be in the following order: switching from HDD to SSD (just due to read times) -> upgrading RAM (allows for more cached information = quicker processing) -> upgrading your CPU (more work per second is obviously going to be better) -> upgrading your GPU -> (if your CPU to has the transfer rates to support it) switching from SSD to NMVE.

I too switched mine from a SSD to a NVME and I saw at BEST a 3 frame per second difference. I jumped from completely unplayable to "playable" when I switched from HDD to SSD (10fps to 18-23fps); to actually playable (25-30fps cities, 40-50 fps space) when upgrading my RAM from 16 to 32GB; jump to 29-35 cities, 45-50 space going from SSD to NVME; zero change switching from a RX580 to a RTX 3070 (CPU bottleneck); and based off what I've seen, I should be expecting a jump to 40s-50s in cities, 80+ everywhere else at 1080 (or even 1440) when I upgrade to a R5 5600x here in a few weeks.

CommanderOOF

Only true for Intel side

AMD side you see a difference from latency and from memory MHz and in Ryzen 5000 you need minimum 4 Ranks (thats number of side’s of your RAM sticks with chips on them)

When AMD goes DDR5 there will be a difference

Intel added DDR5 support because they can not because they needed to

AMD however are adding it not because they can but because they need to

YDKY

2y↑9

Interesting, I've never seen RAM usage go over 28GB on my 32GB system. It usually stands around 20-24Gb.
With that said, my suggestion for Recommended hardware:
@1080p
CPU: 8 Cores / 16 Threads (with a CPU that has come out after 2017)
GPU: 6Gb VRAM (with a GPU that has come out after 2017)
RAM: 16Gb DDR4
SSD NvME: Don't even bother installing on an spinning HDD!
1440p: 8Gb VRAM | 4K +8Gb VRAM

My current build sports a 3900X, 2070S, 32GB 3600Mhz CL16, playing at 1440p. Performance is all over the place, but it's only getting better, by the time they add Vulkan and Server Meshing performance will have improved a lot.

Robin Reekmans

2y↑3

@TheNOOBIFIER1337 No not at all. I’ll be the last to tell you what you should do with your content (which is enjoyable btw, thx for doing what you do. You are one of my favorite SC content creators out there.)

I personally won’t recommend it, especially if the time between purchases is substantial with the added note of there being a chance.

Instability caused by memory incompatibility is a PITA. Imagine someone having this happen and they now have to buy a third bigger kit anyways. It’s a slim chance, but still impactful enough to not go unmentioned.

A lot of people aren’t aware of this. There’s a reason why a kit contains sticks that have consecutive serial numbers.

In my opinion, a manufacturer shouldn’t be allowed to give a product the same product number if the components have been changed during its lifecycle.

*edit 56… I should stop typing elaborate comments on my phone… Apologies.

All comments from YouTube:

TheNOOBIFIER1337

2y↑9

M The Critic

Hey, NOOBIFIER! How did you get those RAM numbers? MSI Afterburner? I've never seen the game use more than 24gb for anyone else so I'm wondering how you got those numbers?

Ken Fichtner

For a budget build would you suggest the 4930k or the i3 10100? Both ebay for about the same and not sure if the core count on the 4930 or the ddr4 and higher speeds of the i3 would win out in the end

Leonardo Martin

44w

Can star citizen shorten the lifespan of your pc in the long run?

TheNOOBIFIER1337

44w

@Leonardo Martin no

Kerbo

2y↑84

Good info. It's worth noting that the server you're playing on can make a big difference as well. I normally run pretty well with my monster PC but can get crap frames if the server is suffering. That's usually a good sign to switch servers before it croaks.

Medic4Christ

2y↑2

What do you usually get for frames in places like lorville?

CWolfxUK

2y↑3

Agreed. I have had fluctuations from 60fps to 20fps depending on server.

The Jaxson Video Blog

2y↑91

Good info, thanks. But I'm not going to even look at getting specific hardware for Star Citizen until we're in Beta and getting the sense that we're getting close to launch. Frames per second? Nah, second per frame!

M

2y↑4

this game is broken

WizardKeagan 4

2y↑6

@M no shit it’s an alpha you gotta accept that if you wanna play it

A HAHAHAHAH

@M your life is broken

Bee Boo

1y↑3

@A HAHAHAHAH i mean he's right i just love that everytime someone says it runs poorly everyone says it's alpha that doesn't mean it could run at least 60fps for high end PCs lmao

The Silver

@Bee Boo cus poor management and sq42 black hole sucking all the dev time even through alot more want SC the sq42

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phoenixsui

2y↑4

GoodVideo, i think you forgot to mention that especially in Capital Citys (initial Spawnpoints) currently until Gen12 and Vulcan API is working full the single core performance is very important for Frames, even tho they slowly start and already have implemented partrs of it its still a thing.

Robert Savello

2y↑24

Back when i upgraded my system in 2019, i did it piece by piece and i saw the biggest increase by upgrading my ram from 16 to 32 GB. switching from a sata ssd to nvme i saw near zero performance gain. gpu made a difference too.
I will recommend upgrading the ram first.

C B

2y↑1

Agreed. Ram upgrade does wonders for SC. (From 16 to 32)

Andrew Moonman

2y↑1

Yeah, getting an SSD over a mechanical hard drive is a big difference, SSD to SSD much less so

Cmdr Tiger King

What ever your weakest component is will be the best upgrade. Use logic.

AJANUS

2y↑1

My ram is coming in today I had a feeling it was a ram issue since I can run vr easily

Dude13450

1y↑3

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Pragmatic Tornado

2y↑16

It's impossible to run this game really well (in a 4K equivalent resolution at least), but it has gotten a bit better the past few years - or it's just the newer hardware taking advantage. I remember before upgrading my CPU, I had an i7 8700K, and SC would actually completely max it (12 threads), particularly when I was down in ArcCorp.

I will say that I applaud the team for programming in really proper multi core support, as well as taking advantage of whatever RAM you have on offer. Shows they are serious about developing a game for the future. Just hope I'm alive to see it, haha.

NightFury39

44w

can a core i7 dell laptop work? i just bought the game

Samuel Gianni

42w

@NightFury39 Depends on what sort of i7 it is, also does the laptop have a dedicated gpu? RAM matters a ton as well in the game.

Joerdy j

40w

@Samuel Giannican i7 7700hq gtx 1050 4gb and 16gb ram with 1tb ssd run it?

BioNyte

Started running SC on a R5 3600x, 16GB 3200Mhz DDR4, 1660S, not too terrible but planetary hubs like the starting spawn was frame city. Recently upgraded to a 2070S, graphics on med and small lag here and there. I've got my DDR5 build mapped out and should be ready to go by the end of the year, should be interesting to see the difference.

Chris H

2y↑1

Great info....Im close to the bleeding edge in computer performance (9900K, OCd 2080ti in SLI, 32gig DDR4). BIGGEST boost in performace I saw was when I upgraded the drive I run SC in to M2....I cant run 4K at fast frames, but have no probs with 1440K or G2 VR and rarely have crashes or slowdowns unless the server is dying. FYI ALOT of the info in the video is crossover for MSFS too

Simon West

2y↑31

In the graphics settings in SC there are two settings Sharpness and Chromatic Aberration. If you are running at 1080p or above, these do nothing. But if you drop down to 900p, these will sharpen and correct the image so that it looks almost as good as 1080p but with a massive performance boost. The minimum specs on the website are for 1080p, so at 900p you can run SC pretty well on a computer like mine i5 10th gen nvidia 1660ti 32Gb ram. I get 30fps in cities and 60fps in space.

julien roos

2y↑1

Hey what do you reccomend putting it on? The sharpeni and the aberration

ThePauseNow

2y↑3

so do you think I can run it on a i5 10th gen 1660 Super, 16gb? if so im buying rn and becoming a star citizen and dedicating my life to it

TranscendKira

2y↑1

@ThePauseNow this is pretty much exactly what I'm using and yes, it functions well enough and I hadn't considered going down from 1080p yet. Some bad frame drops every now and then in certain cities and stations though but elsewhere works quite well.

Any city or station where there's smokey atmospheric effects seem to be the issue, idk why..

Razumen

2y↑3

Bad info, chromatic aberration doesn't sharpen or "correct" the image, it mimics the color distortion that creates an outline of color along the edges of objects in a photograph/video through a failure of the lenses to focus all the light at one point. Turning it on won't give you a speed boost, if anything, it'll decrease performance slightly.
And it especially won't make lower resolutions look or perform better.

Snaggletoof

2y↑1

Excellent video, Noob! Hopefully this will help many optimize/upgrade their system to better handle SC.

TheNOOBIFIER1337

I hope so too

Antar_AV

2y↑1

I also think internet speed and server communication are very important variable. I have a decent rig, 1070, 6700k, ssd and 32 dd4 and the game runs smoothly but my internet connection is 800mb/s constant

Peter Pycke

2y↑19

I hit myself over the head recently on why my new 32 gigs 3600 only marginally improved my performance. Until I found out my xmp profile wasn't loaded,...

16 to 32 was a good performance upgrade. Having those 32 work at intended speed made it a great upgrade!

showtimemajd IG

1y↑3

What is XMP profile for first computer learners

Jessica or Isaac Laemmle

1y↑3

Extreme Memory Profiles. They’re the speeds advertised on the box but are not always on by default. You enable them in the BIOS. Otherwise your memory will run slower. Also I think my BIOS is broken somehow because even when I enable XMP and save the BIOS Task Manager still says I’m running at 2133 mhz instead of 3600mhz. Any ideas?

Shade_314

47w

@Jessica or Isaac Laemmle Is it limited by your motherboard?

TipsyCat

42w↑1

@Jessica or Isaac Laemmle bit late but, your ram cannot run faster than your CPU so check that, also if you have mixed ram and one is slower than the other it will always run at the slowest speed.

X Gaming (Poorly)

2y↑2

Great vid! Thank you. Somehow I didn't even know about the Telemetry Dashboard and it was very informative to see that my system is barely above 'Minimum'. I play on an entry level gaming laptop with 16GB ram and a 1650ti with 4GB dedicated GPU mem. I had already decided I need to upgrade ram to my max of 32GB and I am very interested to see how much performance that gains me as currently the SSD is paging non-stop

Mushy

Im in the same boat as you GTX 1660 TI

Fraser Manley

32gb 3600mhz ram(running at stock due to CPU, 2133), 2600x and 2070 super plus NVME. Decent FPS @ 45 mostly, dips into the red depending on location and server load, however upgrading to 5800x today, so I should be able to push my ram to it's intended speeds and I'll get a significant bump in CPU performance. I'll report back in once I've added it. I definitely noticed substantial performance gains from pushing my ram to 2966(anything beyond is unstable on my 2600x) from it's stock. So we'll see what the bump to 3600 and the new CPU provide in gains. However, until they sort the render pipeline it'll always be a difficult title to run. Once that render thread is fixed, it should run fairly well on most machines.

stormrazzorr

2y↑1

Good info. In my opinion a 256GB NvME SSD is to small for the performance difference of a 1TB SATA3 SSD if that SATA is a good drive. I am running a Samsung 850 EVO 1TB and it runs about as fast as a lot of deferent NvME drives. By all means if you are needing to buy right now get a good NvME around at least 500+GB. Also you may be limited by your motherboard on if a NvME can run at it's top speed. Most drives are backwards compatible if you plan to change board later.
Also I have seen in some cases you need to get the larger drive to get the better chipsets, so that is another reason not to go to small.

mel e

2y↑1

Glad I came across this. That dashboard app will help me spec out parts for a pc upgrade. My core I5 pc is more than 10 years old and SC is the first game I've tried that it could not handle.

Derron Simon

2y↑1

Helpful. Thanks. I'm running a 3070 in 1440p and it's good to know that I might be able to handle 4k.

Elvalley

2y↑6

There is no way on earth I can afford a new PC with my salary and country of residence, but my humble system works decently enough for now (granted, it was far above humble when I built it five years ago). I do have to say, the fact that increasing RAM does produce good results beyond 16Gb is great news, because that's a space where I can still make relatively affordable adjustments.

Serreth Industries

2y↑2

This is all spot on. RAM is cheap currently, and the latency of gen 1 DDR5 is atrocious. I've found pcie gen 4 to be a meaningful upgrade over gen 3 with an appropriate SSD, while I don't think gen 5 will be as noticeable, because we're no where near saturating gen 4 throughput.

CommanderOOF

SilkyZ

2y↑3

Currently doing fine with a 2700x, 1080ti, and 32gb ddr4. SC sits at a fine 20-40fps.

Trying to decide if I want to update now to a 5800x, 6900xt, and 64gb ddr4; or wait for next gen parts.

Main deciding factor on parts is if SC will do a Linux build soon.

YDKY

2y↑9

QueiThai

Would you say a Ryzen 5 2600 and a RTX 2060 are enough for 1080p and somewhat good looking graphics above 24 fps?

QueiThai

@W B thanks, I will try it out

Paul Fitzgerald

The 64 GB RAM info was interesting. I would have never guessed that. Wonder what kind of performance difference between 32 and 64.

TheNOOBIFIER1337

2y↑1

I am getting over 55 FPS on 4K

Scott Schmidt

Good info Noob. One thing you missed covering is the spec and quality of the motherboard. You'll want to ensure you choose a mobo with good power delivery and obviously support for PCIe Gen 4 if choosing a gen 4 NVMe or wanting to future proof. I think the most important thing is the power delivery since SC will push power delivery to the max. On the back of that, you'll want to choose a decent PSU to deliver all the power efficiently and quietly.
For me it's a Corsair RM850x PSU, MSI b550m Mortar mobo, 4 x 8gb Viper 4400mhz ram clocked at 3600mhz 14-14-14-?? timings, 1Gb Samsung evo gen 3 NVMe, PowerColor Red Devil 6800xt GPU, all inside a high airflow case using Artic fans and CPU cooler. This is driving a 2k ultra wide monitor at 60-70FPS generally. I'm looking forward to any performance improvements the gen 12 vulkan engine will deliver.

Adjel van der Meer

2y↑1

Sounds like buying a 980 pro instead of the Evo would do more for your performance than an expensive motherboard

Brian

power supplies are always over looked for a cheap option for most people but Ive always liked having Quad rails to keep the dirty electric away from the clean low Voltage stuff but with SSD and USB taking the spinning crap out removes the dirty stuff but still like a good PSU Enermax as been my pick for years untill one killed a MB EVGA now lol

Booger from that movie

2y↑1

@Brian i love my supernova lol you can tell they are quality, i like how the fan is quite too but its always on which is a good thing, silent psu's are a bad idea. thats one thing i hated about my corsair psu, it had that auto fan that would only kick on if you were over a certain power draw therefor it would have coil whine and get hot as hell at idle or doing things under 400w lol. corsairs worst idea ever. imo supernovas and seasonic are the best ones. for the most part tho the base standard is gold now so generally any psu will be good unless they are all out lying about the rating.

Black2Burn

Random thought(s): do you think those data points pull from CIG testers too? also: planning on a new build with 4000x gpu's but wasn't factoring in 64 gbs until now

shayelad shayelad

4000 gpu? You should consider new psu probably before 64 gigs my friend 🤗

Latvanis

2y↑1

Identical ram is not a necessity. You can mix and match rams as you want, it will just downclock the better ram to match the slowest ram.
I have my self 4 sticks of 2 different kind of clock and cl rams and they work fine. And because of 4 ram sticks being faster than 2, I got even 15% ram performance overall, when I added the new extra ram

Robin Reekmans

2y↑1

Please be careful with recommending adding the same kit onto already owned memory. The manufacturer can have changed memory chips used mid product cycle and if you add memory which has the same part nr but received a memory chip change, you are in for unstable times :P

TheNOOBIFIER1337

Would you prefer that I tell people to throw out the memory they have?

Robin Reekmans

2y↑3

GenotsSnor

2y↑1

@Robin Reekmans Thanks for the tip.

Jor

2y↑7

Question with a fair preamble: we all saw improvement in fps on multi-core/multi-thread since they started utilizing it in 3.14. Though there is a difference: a CPU with lets say 4 cores will have a performance of - lets say - 1x, the same CPU with multi-thread enabled (and maybe capable of handling or co-handling physx) will give you 1.8x to 2x, but a lot of people get "limited CPUs" those traps that cost less, performs slightly better on single core, but don't have all the PCI lanes enabled, basically "handicapped" CPU, like the in-famous i7-5820k cpu, used to be super popularly cheap, only to find out that you could only run 2/3rds of the ram and pci slots.
Basically I see recommendations in great number on getting new parts, for new builds but you said it perfectly: "...a game that will be ready 7 to 10 years from now, while playing with a 7 years old rig..." - Please be also advised that the telemetry board was not yet updated to reflect the new multicore improvements and it will take probably all of 3.15 to capture enough significant data to be again relevant, as all the cpu/gpu combo in the board right now are skewed and incorrect. I will get there in a minute...
I would like to see more recommendation on 1) how to upgrade and 2) What type of upgrades: switching a single thread cpu with multi thread supported by the mobo would be a HUGE money saver and move more budget toward a better graphic card, and yes, MORE RAM (Thank you noobifier).
I have been seeing in a few of last videos you made often mention of nothing less that 2080 GTX and 5600X family to play "decently" at 1080p. I play "decently" with SSD dedicated, and nVME pci 3, and noticed NO difference in playing or loading. Instead I admit the 64 Gb of ram in multichannel gave a HUGE boost and the threadrypper CPU once 3.14 came live gave me another huge bump up in fps, but I am running JUST FINE with a GTX 970... yes... i retype, the old archaic GTX 970. I have 28 to 40 fps in combat and arena, a bit of a slowdown in microtech (e.g. train stations approach) and its almost a slideshow (15/20 fps) in Orison, but while flying around and mining or just admiring, I got even in trhe upper 70fps if I lower the cloud complexity I can still enjoy.Orison as well.
The question nobody wants to answer: now that multi-thread/multi-core is supported, what does really a graphic card do and why do I have to become scalper pray to seek a 3070 or a 3080 if, according to the matrix provided, we would not get the desired fps anyway? I don't know much about videocards, but I have friends, and they have everything bigger and larger in GPU terms but they are not getting more fps than I do, sometime I actually beat them... so what GPU should I really be looking forward to upgrade on a PCI3 or less rig (70% of us) to get improvement? I decided to move my money and invest on more ram and nvme drive, and better cpuy for my mobo, and it paid off big time. What GPU should we really point at ad interim to get average, better fps without becoming scalper's food?

Leo Sam

So... By your experience, do you think that the game is cpu or gpu heavy. (sounds like cpu heavy)

Alexey Minakov

I’m planning to mix 2x16 gb with 2x8 gb will that work same cl voltage and make, will that work?

Jor

2y↑1

@Leo Sam the game is currently cpu heavy. 01/22. The game actually plays better when requesting higher graphic details because this offloads work from the taxed cpu to the gpu. Use console command r_displayinfo 1, this will show the number of fps, entities loaded (objects to render) and the real gpu workload. Then fuss with the graphic settings and try tuning them up.. Paradoxically you will see that the higher you set the graphic settings, will give you better or same fps to a point. The one setting currently to avoid (keep it low or disabled) is the cloud setting, especially around Orison. Good luck.

Jor

@Alexey Minakov motherboard make and model please?

Booger from that movie

2y↑1

@Jor i'm debating getting it i have a pretty decent system and i been following the game for years. i have an 1070 ftw 8gb, msi meg z-590 gaming force the purple one, with a 10700k on a h150i pro. 32gigs of corsair cl15 3000mhz. samsung nvme system drive and a sata samsung for games. being that they added multicore and its cpu heavy i'm kinda want to try it even with all the issues surrounding content and the focus on things that should be saved for last. its actually mind boggling with some of it. imagine if elite dangerous and the SC teams mashed, where one failed the other nailed imo lol

Goffe

2y↑3

Hey.... he said pre-alpha. I'm overjoyed. I hope more people start doing this. SC is not in alpha.

Rough Galaxy

For the telemetry, I'm one down, one left of the green dot with a 1070ti, R7 1700x, 32gb ram, and standard SSD. Upgrades are woefully unobtainable with a fixed income (it's like trying to milk a rock to get enough scratch for a cheap second monitor) so I'm in a position where I have to hope the gen12/vulkan updates will make what I have work. My rig IS my upgrade since my old system became unable to run SC when 3.0 went live.

David L

Planning to upgrade my 2080 and 8600K 😂 Waiting for DDR5 to drop before making a new build. So great to hear that 64gb is optimal 😭

MrThryler444

I upgraded from a really old computer (i5 first gen, GTX 660, 16GB DDR3) to high-end PC (5800X, 32GB 3600mhz C15 RAM, 3080 ti, PCIe 4.0 SSD) but also upgraded from 1080 to 21:9 3440x1440p Monitor. In Landing Zones it is about 30-35 fps, Space about 60-100 fps. It is playable but not perfect. Scores in the telemetry:
GPU Score: 430 CPU: 218
When I started SC in 2015 it was also playable in FHD on my old system with 25-40 fps depending on the mode (PU, Arena Commander)

Bob ten Berge

Currently playing on an i7 12700K with 32GB DDR4 RAM (not running XMP, because that resulted in a LOT of SC crashes) and an EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3. The game is installed on a fast PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD.
I usually get fps of around 60-70 in space, but at the big capital cities it sometimes drops down to ~20 fps.
Outpost missions usually are anywhere between 40-60 fps.

Edit: almost forgot. I play on an ultra wide monitor in 3440x1440.

Attira Kell

I love these as I leaned something. I am going to build a new PC when I move back stateside. I dont want to do it before because I'll have to pack it in a container and that is nerve wracking. Thanks for the info Noob!!

RedHawk 1

Thanks for the info 👍. I upgraded to the 5600 in a gigabyte aorus x570s master. But I'm still using my 2070gtx for now. Just can't see spending twice what I paid for the cpu,motherboard and 64g of ddr4 3600 memory, and a m.2 4th gen.drive. Gpu's are ridiculously stupid expensive Right now. Besides I've got to save some money for a new ship right? After upgrading I noticed about a 20 to 30 frame rate boost . Again thanks for your time to make this video.

Robert Moncrief (Glockrock)

i7 6700k, rx 5700xt, 32gb ram, SSD of course and I play on 2k. I get really good frame rates everywhere except for arc Corp in the main common area I usually hover in the low 20’s there. Other than that this setup has served me well

Rahul Sharma

remember if the cpu is weaker, and gpu is new ones, they will bottleneck the gpu, so for 3060+ consider a newer gpu

MMORPG87

The ram usage was a shock and confirms my idea of why i had some issues. When Micro tech was first launched i only had 16gb, bought ankther 16gb and could finally get off MT.. This last patch did it again. CTD alot due to ram spiking to max. Increased page file and CTD stopped instantly. There was a tool for limiting the memory leak but dont remember what it was. But any way im on a ryzen 5600x,32gb of 3200mhzram, merc319 6800xt @1440p and laoding in to hurston i hold 45-60 fps, and 90-120 flying.

GenotsSnor

So do you recommend going to 32 gigs of ram?

ShepherdChief

2y↑1

Nice video, I run it with: i5 10400f, Gtx 1650, 16gb ram, and M.2 storage. I achieve about 25-35 frames on high graphics at 720p. 1080p is a no go lol

Jesse

2y↑3

Running a 3070 with an Intel 11700k. 32gb ram for now. Game runs fairly smooth. Not running 4k though. Too fancy for me🤪

Goodner

I'm getting a new PC soon, most of it is pretty overkill but the only thing I'm worried about is the 3060? Any idea how many frames I will get with that or do you think there's not a point trying until I get a new graphics card.

TheNOOBIFIER1337

3060 should be fine for 1080p

Brian

Interesting info on the RAM looks like ill be looking for some more LOL I have 16GB at the mine but its 4 sticks as Im on a X99 board with 8 slots an nice but old I7 5820K -6core @3.30GHz running at just over 4.1GHz, 2080 GFX and SSD no M2.
I was thinking of upgrading but not happy with the way intel has gone with the chip the Z mount waste a chip with GFX and only 10 cores so still looking at the X299 and an i9 14 core . but the cost of upgrades are so much of late. so I think Ill just look for some more RAM and me get an M2 even if I go PCIe M2 and use a slot and no the older M2 slot that my board has.
thanks for the Video

Nathaniel Escudero

2y↑2

Some good points but I found that after a modest point the users hardware makes less of a different than the state of CGI's servers.
I upgraded from 16 to 48GB RAM and it gave me only3-4 FPS.
Only using a Ryzen 3600 and GTX1060 I can get close to 60FPS when the servers are happy. Lows can go down to 14FPS on a bad day especially in asset busy locations like microtech. I'm not sure how CGI plan to support the constant release of new assets (ships, weapons, skins) because these all need to be loaded into user memory when Inthe area and rendered when visible. I don't see it as a sustainable practice.

CoffeeAndVapes

2y↑1

Thats good to hear as thats pretty much the spec I plan for my 1st time pc build when I can afford it, but with 32gb ram. Im guessing elite dangerous and ksp2 will run fine on it also. 👍

Nathaniel Escudero

2y↑1

@CoffeeAndVapes If you're only gaming, and if you want to save money, by a motherboard with 4 RAM slots. Buy 2x 8GB to begin with as even most current games don't utilise 16GB yet and you'll be able to upgrade to 32GB in a few years when newer games will scale to fill that much.

Anthony Arndt

Thanks for this. I run 32 Gb, my wife has 48Gb both DDR4, we're both on NVME M.2 SSD, but we're looking to upgrade our son's system (he's 7, so we're looking at local used systems). He can actually play with us on my old system. It's my old system from the summer of 2011, an i7 that's had the GPU upgraded a few times and the RAM bumped up to 24Gb. It's not fun to solo it on it, but it's still good enough for him to co-pilot. When it was still my system, I used the Telemetry page to decide on what to buy when I configured my new system. But it's been a few months and the Telemetry page still shows my old system.

Dope Cope

2y↑1

I get ~90fps floating around Port O with 5800x, 64GB 3600MHz RAM, RTX 2080S, and 1TB M.2.

No OC on the GPU and I’m using custom PBO limits and curve for the 5800X.

1440p, Very High settings.

Lex Summer

I was suprised that the GTX 1080 ti has such good results as long the entire system is balanced. I have an old i7 4770 and the game is runing with 15 - 30 fps on lowest settings. :(

iasonevan

2y↑1

On fresh servers I have great frames with a 7700k, 32GB Ram and a 1070. Not spending more money on a rig when it's the game that's the issue. Well optimized games of today run great in 1440p.

Grizzly HP2

2y↑5

Thanks for the work Noobifier.
I upgraded my PC over 4 years ago.
CPU Intel i7-7700K 4.20GHz. with DDR4 Vengeance 4x8GB 3000 C15,
GeForce GTX 1080 Gaming x 8G with a Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD.
The system was running reasonably well so far.
Question: Will that Samsung 250GB SSD become the main bottleneck?

Salvador Bento

I have SC installed in the same Samsung Sata model, I see almost no difference compared to when it was installed in my NVME.
That being said, the difference I could notice, so far, is when I quantum jump. Most time when leaving a place or arriving in it from/to quantum jump, I can see the game freezes for aroung 3-5 seconds. I'm sure that's the SSD loading stuff. But that's the only thing I could notice so far.

Frank 08

Is SC playable with a 1080 and 16gigs of ddr4 ram ?

Bob Gahl

2y↑1

There was a time when my score was pretty good... not anymore. The graphics performance is still okay but CPU is approaching minimal. No argument with drives and memory recommendations. Running NVME as my primary drive with an SSD for external data (but SC is all on the NVME and everything else gets the SSD). Part of me wants to upgrade. Part of me says "wait until they decide what the game will look like at release" (which probably means I'll be dead and gone before needing to upgrade). :)

Vics Id

If you can play it with out it being a slide show wait as long as you can. That way you can save and have a beast machine on release.

Cell Chaos

My biggest gain in performance regarding SC ....

Turning off Windows 10 "Diagnostic Data" collection. Amazing frames gain!

Ghost Operationz Inc

2y↑1

I play on a 1660ti i7 16 gig ram and since the past update i have rarely experienced stutters i run voice attack and joystick gremlin in the background and ghub with a g920 and still maintain around 50 fps. Exept on transit and new babbage but still over 30.

Tobias Ommer

I find it interesting that what you said runs counter to what I've heard thus far (GPU instead of CPU being the bottleneck and the RAM thing, mainly).

Guess I'll find out. Cannot run SC currently on my old PC but I've ordered an RX 6800, currently still have my 2600 CPU in there but also ordered a 5800X3D. Also 16 GB of RAM bc I figured that's the easiest to upgrade later if need be. Won't be playing in 4k for now, tho. I don't have any appropriate screen for that :D

Anachroschism

2y↑1

The important thing about RAM, is Windows and background apps still need some of that too, which lowers the available RAM for the game, and many seem to forget that, especially those recommending 16 GB as fine. I think folks that recommend 16 GB, are those with 16 GB, that have never tried more. More cores, more clock speed, NVME, and lots of RAM, however, GPU so far has made a much smaller improvement that I'd expect it to, but that will change over the next 12 months.

RatBagDad

SC consistently uses between 18 to 21gb of my 32gb ram when running native 4K. It sometimes creeps higher if I play in 5K for screenshots.

Anachroschism

@RatBagDad on my 1080p, 32GB laptop, it's usually around 10-16. Laptop has a GTX 2080 with 8GB dedicated VRAM.

Either way, as noob says, bare min requirements has never been enough for an enjoyable game experience, in any game, as far back as I can remember seeing pc system requirements.

Tony T

I have an old system and I get decent frames. I spend most of my time in space, but I do a lot of freight so I have to go in to NB and A18 often. I have an i7 4790k with a 1070, 16gb DDR3 and installed on a NVME.

Daarken1st

Beautiful build, however tests have shown the pump should be below the radiator inlet and outlets to prevent air getting into the pump. Your setup appears to be a on a fine line, but considering how you are rather thorough you would have heard the pump.
I ran SC on my old build which was a 6700+2080ti and found the system to be very stable. The fps was mostly limited due to server capacity and location.

TheNOOBIFIER1337

2y↑2

The pump is fine. It’s at least 2 inches below the top of the rad

Barney Turnbull

1y↑1

I’ve gotta say the advice as far as the cpu goes doesn’t match my experience or the various other guides for optimal builds, the cpu is often integral to fps in SC in populated areas like any landing zone and in atmo on planets, I have a i5 9600k (+rtx3070founders) which benchmarks higher than the 7700k and I get mid 30s max in landing zones, the fact that the game is in alpha and therefore very unoptimised would also support the cpu being higher priority as many of the games lighting and shader layers run exclusively on the cpu unlike most modern games so it can be very heavily cpu bottlenecked, everything else I’d pretty much agree but for sc you need a good cpu. Thought I’d add on at the end, it’s not unplayable, I somehow manage all though I am looking to upgrade to the next r7x3d chips from amd, I still have fun in sc and even with my specs I only get the major fps dips in landing zones, in space I’m getting 160+ and rest of the time averaging about 50 - 120 in fps missions like bunkers and caves, respawning is a nightmare tho

TheNOOBIFIER1337

The video is super old

Monk

Nvme drives are only faster really on sequential reads, not random, which is what games actually use for loading etc.

So, if the price is similar, sure, go nvme, however, if its more, its not worth it.

Also of note is nvme drives will use 4 pcie lanes which, if you use more than 1 or 2 in most systems will result in your gpu running in x8 mode instead if x16, not such a concern on pcie4/5 but on pcie3 if you are running a high end gpu, it can have an impact on performance.

Also, ram speed matters, so I'd put money on 32GB of fast memory performing way better than 64GB of slow memory as, just because it requests and allocates the memory does not mean it NEEDS it, else, on 16GB you would be having constant stutters, the same with 32 vs 64GB.

Bez Downunder

Graphics card is good though next year I think is a big AMD CPU and new memory.I do love a M2 drive will raid them next time then hopefully its good enough taking 64GB memory is good to know as I like having multiple items open.

Charles D. Smith

I currently run SC on a 27 inch monitor at 4K with an I-7 8700K CPU, an Nvidia GTX 1080ti GPU, 32Gb 3200 GHz Corsair RAM, on a 1T NVME PCie 3 SSD. I consider the 30 to 50 FPS to be acceptable, but I don’t do the FPS or PVE games, so lag can be almost unrecognized for me.

Fabian Schultz

For me the CPU is the bottleneck and it's a 9900k, would really like to know how good SC runs on 12900
And I even more want to know if the Future performance updates will relieve the CPU and if the 9900k would be enough then

MM64E

I ran SC with 9600k and 2070 @ 3440x1440. Now that I have a 12700k and 3070 it won’t stop crashing. Can’t get out of Hab now

Morgoth Bloody

2y↑1

@MM64E Win11?

Morgoth Bloody

2y↑1

@MM64E turn off E-cores

ADDgamer45

Graphics card matters only in certain areas. Minimal hitching on microtech with only a 780ti until the game had to load in snow. Then death. Ram is the most important by far.

Platy

I have a i7-6700k, 1070, and 16gb. Star citizen runs fantastically but I do experience bad frames when in Area 18. Other than that though it's smooth and fluid

Failomas

i upgrade fairly recently from a 17-4790k to a 5900x same graphics card ( RTX 2060 aorus extreme) i kept the 970 evo plus too, i put ofc 32 GB RAM and as expected the performance jumped leaps and bounds i can keep average 50fps and it's completely another game and i've enjoyed it.
Telemetry even if i played a lot after ugrading it still keep my old spec on it, i gave up on telemetry on rsi site

TheNOOBIFIER1337

Yeah, I don’t know what to say about the telemetry. It seems that it’s pretty buggy but with the new patch coming out it should update. I’m happy though that you got the performance you were after with your upgrade

Failomas

@TheNOOBIFIER1337 one day i will update the gpu..., but for the rest i'm really happy with this boost performance thx :)

BlackShiro

Judging from the graph you showed, the recommended system and my short experience in the game, i don't get how people can get these fps?? I am well over every specs you showed on the graph, and I have to reduce the resolution and /graphics to even be able to play at maybe- 20fps average... This game could be soooo good if it was actually playable

Btw my specs are :
Ryzen 7 5800x 8-core
rtx-3070
32g ram

YourMarketsYourMoney

I had to buy a retail computer because of the GPU prices being so high. It has a Ryzen 3 CPU , it now has 16gb of DDR4 memory and a 500gb Western Digital SSD also with a NVIDIA 1650 GPU I have a 24" HP 1080p Monitor. It seems to run Star Citizen normally with no real big issues for right now. I know if i want to eventually run the game in 1440 i have to upgrade the memory to 32gb or 64gb and upgrade the CPU to a Ryzen 7 along with at least a MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 3060 12GB 15 Gbps GDRR6 GPU. I think the GPU prices are still to high right now & i also believe that online retailers probably just ASSUME that us gamers will just have to ACCEPT the high prices and just buy 3rd. party GPU,s as a no way out. 🤔

Jules Verde

Nice and simple. I likes
Question: My Telemetry data is showing some outdated info despite me playing a lot recently. How do I get it to be updated?

zroku

I've got i5-7600k and 3080 with 24 gb ram. The best I've ever had was 27fps and that was in space. When on a station or planet it's usually around 12 fps

Flying Kangaroo

Zroku, your CPU is the limiting factor here with 4 cores (I'm assumming you have the game installed on an SSD). You will find an FPS increase with a higher core CPU.

J WG

My system dates to the original kickstarter... and I used to be able to use Starcitizen in space and atmosphere (with some playability)... however the newer landing zone interiors (i.e. other than orison) gradually became unplayable... to the extent that I don't even try. I even tried claiming a refund - because there is no clarity on what the minimum or recommended system requirements will be at release. :) I'll probably wait until 2025 and upgrade then (although I should probably wait until 2030 to see what the requirements will actually be in the early post-release).

Juxer

Or just build a new rig.

Austin E.

My specs are Ryzen 3900x, Nvme drive, 64 Gb of RAM, RTX 3080. I play on 1440p and get consistent 40 frames. For those specs I would hope for a lot more. Hopefully Vulcan will fix it.

TheNOOBIFIER1337

Yes, but it’s not your PC.. it’s the game at that point. You have a killer system

traeng

2y↑8

at 04:00, I am running it fine with an i7 4790k from 2014, and 32 gigs of DDR3 ram.
While it is not future proof and may be outdated by the game's release, older CPU still work great for starcitizen.
Keep in mind however, that, Gen12 rendered and vulkan are not implemented yet, but they may eat more CPU power in exchange for much better ingame performances.

Seth

I am going strong with an overclocked i7 4770k@4.2GHz myself. It is still running fine for now, but I do would like to play at 60fps one day. I think I will wait for the new generation of CPUs and RAM coming up.

Vics Id

2y↑1

I am waiting to upgrade to a monster desktop until release as well. We probably got a few years to save.

BaneSIlvermoon

2y↑2

I mean. Everything you can buy right now will be outdated by release.

Ancoron

2y↑2

The 4790K is one of the best CPUs I've had over the last 30 or so years, some really stood out. It's still very powerful, especially with unoptimized chaos like Alpha versions because its single-core performance and on the first two cores is quite beefy. It's a hot one though, the 4790K, so I'd recommend to delid it, then start overclocking it and you can easily squeeze out 3-4 more years with even a recognizable performance gain initially.

SYNTHOX

@Ancoron you really have no idea how stuff works hüh? Use a system with an 9k series or a ryzen 5000+ and you will notice a huge difference in performance 👏

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Marks FarmCraft

Thanks Noob!
B550m w/5600X > 32GB(3600) > 1660 Super(6gb) > SSD > Win 11pro > 3.15 PTU == 30 - 35 fps in cities and stations and 40 - 55 elsewhere. Of course that depends on the server.
My video card runs cool and not pushed, and CPU is rarely above 50%. My system is never hot in older Dell XPS mid case. I play at 1080p with the game on high, not very high.
Overall, my system plays well, but am thinking of getting a new Gen 4 M.2 drive soon, which should help some.

TheNOOBIFIER1337

If you do, install win 10 and upgrade for free to 11. I’m loving it so far.

Wilem Elliott

planning on upgrading end of this year or the next. I'm pretty far down on the telemetry stack.

Steve B

I agree N00bifier.
Didn't know that 64GB would help over 32GB in StarCitizen. Have 8x4GB ddr4
Looking at 4x16 now...best price so far 4x$74.99
Have a used ($318) instead of new ($2300) 10 core 40 lane 14nm i7 6950x extreme on its way to replace my 6 core 28 lane 22nm 5820k.
Thought about ddr5 & new mobo and cpu. Benefits don't out weight price ($1500+) performance compared to just doubling my ddr4 for $300

TheNOOBIFIER1337

DDR5 is super expensive. 😕

Steve B

@TheNOOBIFIER1337 I ended buying 64GB ddr4 3200 (4×16) paired to a used i7-6950x o/c from 3Ghz to 4.2Ghz.
Can't run on 3x4k (8+ frames) but high 20's on one 4k... weird thing is it feels really smooth.
Gtx1080 and 970 evo plus nvme.
Patiently waiting for rtx4080/90...
Unless intel surprises us with a cheaper equally high performance card.
Must have 16GB vram or greater.

Felipe Reyes

2y↑1

Super helpful video. I think I'll wait to build a PC.

IceCall Warven

I've a 8700k OC to 5ghz with nvme drive, 32gb and à 2080ti. The CPU runs at 40% and the GC at 99% (bottleneck part). So if you consider to upgrade for get more FPS on SC check first the GC... I would probably get no difference by changing my CPU for a 12th generation on this game...

Flying Kangaroo

I too have an 8700K OC to 5Ghz, NVMe drive and 32GB RAM. The only difference is I have a 3090 which means the CPU is now running at close to 100% (bottleneck), while the GPU runs at around 70-80% (highest settings on a 1440p monitor). My advice is to MATCH the GPU and CPU you buy (i.e don't match one or the other with equipment 3 or 4 years old). I'm thinking of updating my CPU to a 12700K to match the 3090.

Zumzifero

2y↑3

I'm playing with a 10 YO rig and my Performances vary wildly depending on the server.
My 3770K has 16GB DDR3 and a SATA SSD coupled with a RTX2060.
Not ideal but fact is that I'm switching between 35 FPS and a back in the Teens depending on the server I'm in, even on area 18 or Loreville.
Guaranteed, not ideal for FPS players, but good enough for anyone else.
Sometimes disabling parasite programs is important when playing SC (steam upgrade, GoG, Wargaming etc), but what really makes the game unplayable for me sometimes is the Jittering and stuttering which are server related, not due to my low specs.
My advice is to build as beefy as you can if you need, but hold out if you have something that can still run SC albeit not ideal: new hardware is always coming out (intel 12k, next gen Rizen, more affordable GPUs, DDR5) and this is not the best time to upgrade a system due to crazy pricing.
Do not expect to jump up in performance massively anyway: most problems are still server related (alpha unoptimized) and you will probably get about 10 FPS better as an average at most, not double what you see.
Unless you stream: then every bit helps.

Failomas

u mean RTX 2060....

Kalvis Kleikalīdis

Upgrade to 32GB of RAM and the game will only stutter for a few minutes after loading in. This is what happened to me. R5 2600, 32GB, NVME, RX580-8GB(at time of RAM upgrade, now 3060)
I get 25+ anywhere except Orison now and I know that my Ryzen is the bottleneck(Single thread performance) but my MoBo supports Ryzen 5000 so that bottleneck will be resolved early next year.

Zumzifero

2y↑1

@Kalvis Kleikalīdis probably, but because my rig is the size of a shoe cardboard box 16GB is all I can get (never found 16GB simm of DDR3 pc1660).
Next year I'll most probably change PC, "IF" this nonsense price madennss calms down a bit and once I see what AMD will bring to counter the 12k serie. I'm a sucker for low power and I'd never invest in a PC that draws more then my dish washer!
This being said, my point is that you "can" play Stav Citize with a low spec system provided you are not expecting competitive FPS shoot-em-up PVP performances.
The game is so unoptimized at the moment that you won't have those even on a 5K$ system!

Zumzifero

@Failomas Yep! Corrected.

Griffin Maree

I got a Asus Zephryus G15 with a RTX 3050, 16 gigs of ram and a Ryzen 9. This is rated as the best gaming laptop of 2021 with a hectic cooling system. What kinda average FPS could I expect? I couldn't find these exact specs on the chart but I'm thinking 49?

Darmath

2y↑1

I'm on an i7-8700K that is not overclocked, 32GB RAM, 1080ti, 500GB Samsung EVO960, and a 1TB Samsung EVO 860. I built the rig back in late 2017 and have been playing Star Citizen in 2K since. I feel like it's still a decent setup for my personal needs. When the game actually gets closer to release, I will definitely look to be upgrading to the latest and greatest.

Aaron Hunyady

2y↑1

I have an identical setup... except with a I-7-7700 (slightly overclocked) and a 1060 (6GB). I consider this to be the lowest spec system that will comfortably (for me, not for people used to smooth 60+ fps) run the game in 1080p, with 25–35 fps most places and bearable slowdowns at Lorville and Orison (~15 fps). When 25+ ships are battling the javelin during xenothreat stages 2 and 3, it becomes a slideshow. CPU and GPU are about equally maxed out when playing the game on high with volumetric clouds set to medium. Fortunately, SC plays well with other programs so I can still do other things while I play, and I frequently have a less-resource-hungry game open on the second monitor. If someone is building a budget system, they should definitely look for something a bit more capable than mine if they want it to have any staying power at all. I'll be upgrading as soon as hardware prices become reasonable again. They ARE going to go back down soon, right? RIGHT??

LordTimelord

My Aya Neo 2021 Pro can actually run SC. It has a AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, 16GB of fast DDR4 Ram, and 3GB dedicated to the integrated APU's VRAM. With no tweaking of settings, it's almost a stable 30FPS at it's native 1920x800 resolution. I'm confident I'll get it running smooth shortly. Then I'll be playing SC anywhere as I have a 4G LTE Hotspot. 😁👍

Zerrada

I know this was months ago, but i recently bought Star Citizen the other day, and it doesn't run well at all, i can maybe cap out at 25 fps, but it is constantly crashing or bugging out. I was thinking of upgrading my computer overall, but not sure what i should upgrade, i was thinking of completely getting rid of my HDD and replacing it with 2 SSDs, was also thinking of getting a new graphics card too because i currently have a 2060rtx, but it seems it is running its course. I'm not sure what else i should upgrade at the moment, but was also thinking of my motherboard and now after watching this video, possibly my ram as well. I would appreciate input whenever you get the chance

jbirdmax

Most of the performance issues I run into are ether from memory leaks or my ISP throttling my connection with the servers.

Silvia Dragoness

My rig has an RTX 2080, and I just recently upgraded my CPU to a Ryzen 7 3900X, which also let me bring the speed of my 16 gigs of RAM up to its rated 3200. Star Citizen is running off a PCI-E gen 3 NVME drive. I've only played once since this upgrade, and it was on the PTU, but I'd call the performance at 1080p "fairly good"—mostly 40-50 fps, down around 20-30 at Orison.

meanyhead

well that explains it i spawned at orison

Old Bosun

I am still running a 980ti and while she is starting to show her age, she is still a beast and can run SC at 1440 comfortably

M A

That's what I started SC on too. I thought: I'll go all in, be ready to maximize this game at full settings. Bought two 980ti, 64 gb ram...top of the line everything.

Now it's all old and I'll have to do a new build 😔

Blaine Rushing

Would an i9 intel be good for this game, or not?

MikaelKKarlsson

2y↑3

Not currently playing, but I've always built my main system with extra RAM. Most games don't really try to make use of it when they should, so on a technical level this game engine is a breath of fresh air.

Sandman

I think you mean, on a technical level this game is all over the place. From 15 fps on a monster rig to 120 fps. Memory leakage and servers that perform really bad is more the norm than anything.

Tenshi Iori

As a developer what you said is not true. No game or any software piece should take all resources. Efficiency =/= Using everything.

MikaelKKarlsson

@Tenshi Iori Not all resources unless necessary, no. But why not put some more RAM to use in a game that is streaming assets in all the time and there's like 16GB more RAM sitting unused by anything else on the system.

Kollok

I recently upgraded. Now running an MSI 6800xt gpu, and a 5900x cpu, with 32 gb ram. Getting around 60 fps most places now

JohnTaylor Pelletier

1y↑1

I don’t have the game yet but am planning on buying it just trying to see if my computer will run it or not first, I get asus rog B550 motherboard 32 gbs of 3600 DDR4 RAM a 2t SSD and AMD Ryzan 5 5700x processor and I feel like that that should be decent for this game but I can’t tell

lordnedz

2y↑1

Appreciate the info, thanks Noobifier.

ToThePoint Gaming

THIS IS A LOT BUT IF YOU ARE WONDERING ABOUT YOU'RE OWN SYSTEM, THIS MAY HELP

Right now I have a 1070ti and a 5600x , 24gigs of pretty cheap ram (like super cheap 8gigs of which I salvaged from a productivity prebuilt from around 2015 and 16 gigs that I bought for around 33 bucks at whatever speed advertised (I didn't care)) and both a data 2.5 inch drive and an m.2. I have a 3070 coming in tomorrow for future proofing my system more as I play at 1080p right now. I plan on jumping to 1440p at somepoint. So, at 1080p, with a Nvidia 1070ti and a Ryzen 5 5600x, I get around 30-well over 60 frames depending on where I am in the verse. Either way I can play this game comfortably. 30 frames is on the low end of what I normally get. I know this is a lot but I hope this can help anyone wondering about their own system.

Uncle Gary

Good info. I will be upgrading soon and I not really a computer builder guy so...every little bit helps.

CJ

Waiting to find out if the Steam Deck can run it!

TheNOOBIFIER1337

Why?

N Patton

One thing I have learned: Star Citizen will use ALL of your cores/threads (I have tested up to 12/24).

Swedish Latino

RAM usage is and should be based upon resolution. For instance 1080p won't draw 30gb just because user has 32. I'm on 1440p ultrawide and ram usage is aroun 15-17gb, of 32. I have mates playing on 4k using around 20-24gb* of RAM, when they have 32-64gb

Edit: all this also depends on MOBO efficiency and quality. And yes SC without SSD is a big no no. Cheers

TheNOOBIFIER1337

It is true. I play at 5k

Solomani

Currently running on 5900X, 32GB, 2080 Super, 1TB NvME. Playable 40-60 fps. Telemetry says 40's fps. I like to run my games at 2560x1440.

Started playing the game with a 3570K OC to 4.1Mhz, 1060 Extreme GC, and 16GB on a 500GB SSD...about 20 fps less than current system. The very old 3570K finally gave out on me and found a heck of a deal on the above specs on a prebuilt @ $1,600 about a year and a half ago that I couldn't pass up.

Arnold Nym

Upgraded from a 3600 with a 970 and 16gb RAM (basically unplayable near or on planets even on 720p - mostly a VRAM/GPU issue.) to a 3700x and a 1070 16GB RAM (@3800mhz cl15) and now I can play on max settings (except clouds) 1080p with minimum 30 fps.
Some things that I can reccomend doing is using the fastest SSD available and setting process priority to "higher than normal". It doesn't increase your fps but makes it chugg noticeably less.
More RAM surely helps and the faster the CPU, the better.

Arnold Nym

Just to add to this and give people an idea how important the CPU is, my friend just upgraded his 2600 to a 5800x and it is a night and day difference for him. His GPU is a 5700xt and it barely got to 50% load with the 2600.
Sort of a little bit of good new during the GPU crisis, at least CPUs are available ...

Kody S

So.. I’m upgrading slowly. Thisbis basically wheat I’m going to be working with until I’m done upgrading ram and gpu.

Motherboard: Asus TUF AM4 x570-plus
Ram: ddr4 3600 (28gb)
Storage: 1tb m.2 gen4 5,150mb/s
Gpu: 1660 super 6gb

I’m upgrading the ram and gpu later this year during cyber Monday.

HuggieSunrise

2y↑1

when the kickstarter was over i saved up to build a PC just for star citizen. I built the PC in 2014 it had a i7 and a gtx 980. I had that machine until recently. Until I had to put something together with a 3080 and an i9. I'm probably going to shove 64 gigs in there cause I use the machine for photogrammetric. Its smooth.. er. but the game has been getting optimised now more then ever. I hope it keeps going.

jbirdmax

Those i7s were absolute beasts though.

Erik

2y↑1

How well do you think my pc with a 3060ti, i5 11400f and 16 gigs of ram would perform?

DestinSkye

Didn't tell me much other than you gotta be wealthy to be able to afford a computer beyond the recommended. What should be in here is why the components are needed and which areas should be prioritized for a mid-range everyday gamer and why. You hinted at one area by saying older cpus can still run it well if it has a monster card. I would like to hear more in-depth stuff. You also neglected to mention pagefile which can make or break even a new computer trying to play Star Citizen. Yes, no matter how much memory you have, the pagefile will still be used. Do you trust Windows™ to handle that, or is manual intervention needed? One tip I can give is to go all-in on putting the pagefile on your fastest drive, preferably SSD. Having a computer with a pagefiles spread across all drives like the Windows™ default is a guarantee for inducing stuttering and long loading times. Windows™ doesn't care if it's drawing from your HDD or SSD, but you will quickly realize which one it's grabbing from through hiccups in the game. Force the pagefile to SSD and see if the manufacturer puts their warranty where their claims are at.

Alex Guerin

Hey guys, hope someone could help. Was planning on upgrading my pc slowly but surely but I was wondering would these details help me run star citizen at all? Intel Core i5-6600 CPU @3.30GHz, GeForce GTX 1060 3gb and upgrading to 16gb ram with a 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSD. Any advice?

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