1) The Rebels were a surf rock band from Buffalo, NY. They were also known… Read Full Bio ↴1) The Rebels were a surf rock band from Buffalo, NY. They were also known as The Rockin' Rebels. The Rebels formed in 1958. They recorded their most known well known song Wild Weekend in 1962. The original band consisted of Jim and Mick Kipler, Tom Gorman and Paul Balon.

2) The Rebels were a 60's garage rock band from Iran.
Before Prince formed The Time, he considered using his backing band as a side-project called The Rebels. The 1979 project was a group effort, with songs being written and sung by the various members. Andre Cymone and Dez Dickerson each contributed material and a few numbers were sung by Gayle Chapman. The project was eventually shelved but two of the songs composed by Prince were re-recorded and released much later: "If I Love U 2 Night" by Mica Paris (and later by Prince's wife-to-be Mayte Garcia) and "U" by Paula Abdul. The original Prince guide vocal for "If I Love U 2 Nite" appeared by mistake on the rare Mica Paris 'Stand For Love' EP, of which only a handful exist.

3) The Rebels were the Prague (Czech republic) group, founded in July 1967 Korn (vocals, guitar) and Svatopluk Cech, brother Frantisek Ringo Cech (vocals, bass guitar). The Rebels played in the "west-coast style" with elements of "Britain's Mersey sound".
Cast:
Jiří Korn - vocals, guitar
Svatopluk Čech - vocals, bass guitar
Josef Plíva - vocals, lead guitar
Borek Kadlec - organ
Jiří Schilder George - drums

In the 1. čs. beatový festival 1967, Best New Artist award away. With new drummer Anatolij Kohout recorded the first songs for Supraphon.
In 1968 he issued the album Šípková Růženka with great acclaim.
Cast (after 1968):Jiří Korn, A. Kohout, Borek Kadlec, Miroslav Helcl - organ, Zdeněk Juračka - vocals, lead guitar. Under the leadership of F. Janeček had a new repertoire, (where there was no trace of the old melody and singing style), and went on long tours - West Germany, Austria and PLR. At the end of 1968 left the band Kadlec and Kohout and coming new drummer Káša Jahn. Since the band spent most of his time abroad was not as popular as other groups of the time (Blue Effect, Flamengo and Framus Five).
The band broke up early 1970.

Wnat You Bad
The Rebels Lyrics

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Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want my love
Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want my love
Don't you want me
Don't you want me

Don't you want my love
Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want my love
Don't you want my lovin'?

Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want my love
Don't you want my lovin'?
Don't you want my lovin'?
Don't you want my lovin'?

Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want my love
Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want my love
Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want my love
Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want my love
Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want my love
Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want my love
Don't you want me
Don't you want me
Don't you want my love
Don't you want me

Don't you want me
Don't you want my love

Overall Meaning

The lyrics of the song "Want You Bad" by The Rebels appear to be repetitive, with the phrase "Don't you want me" repeated multiple times throughout the song. However, the repetition seems to emphasize the desperation of the singer, who is pleading with their lover to want and love them. The singer seems to be uncertain about their significance in the life of their lover, or whether their lover reciprocates their feelings. The repetition of the chorus could also signify the persistent thoughts running through the singer's mind, always wondering if their love is enough to sustain the relationship.

The chorus of the song is also interesting because of the upbeat tempo and rock melody juxtaposed with the lyrics that convey a sense of vulnerability and uncertainty. The lyrics of the song paint a picture of the singer desperately reaching out to their lover, pleading for them to want them back. The repetition of the phrase "Don't you want me" could also signify the singer's inability to let go of their lover or the idea of their relationship.

In conclusion, the song "Want You Bad" by The Rebels is a catchy rock melody that conveys the desperation and longing of the singer for their lover's love and validation. The repetition of the chorus emphasizes the persistent thoughts of the singer and their inability to let go of their lover or the idea of their relationship.

Line by Line Meaning

Don't you want me
I am questioning whether or not you desire my companionship or affection

Don't you want my love
I am asking if you long for my feelings of adoration and devotion towards you

Don't you want my lovin'?
I am asking if you desire my passionate and intimate physical affection

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rejvaik

2y↑2

@Jacob Huff it's a failure of yourself the individual if you don't follow the line of the sith code and break your chain of self destruction actions.

Through passion I gain strength
Through strength power
Through power victory
And through victory my chains are broken

The sith re-enforce the concept that it is the individual who responsible for their own individual actions
And if you fail and fall to corruption and ultimately self destruction it's because of your own lack of skill
The jedi would try to diffuse that responsibility of failure or success as the "WiLl Of ThE FoRcE"

they see inaction as the purest form of expression because it's a balancing act which is why in every thing that they do they stress this mythical need of balance

kokot

@Iris Gale Agreed, in most parts.
But I love Thrawn more in "Full Flight" and "Choice of One" books.
Because(from my point of view) he do a lot of simple mistakes in 3 books...

Original film also have a strange moments like :
On Endor, when rebels group get captured by Empire, they just walk with hands up. Why they not get knocked by paralyze shot? To prevent strike into back, if another support group from deep forest decides to release prisoners? Why they care about all rebel squad, they have a high rebel commanders like Han and Leia. They can just save 2 commanders for info and kill others.
But i think its ok. Because the Empire commander here was not a genius, who also versed in psychology.

But its not ok for Thrawn - a genius, who know psychology, war, economy, logic, people minds and other things.

Noghri - Thrawn can just evacuate him from Honoghr to random planet in Unknown Region(what he discovered in past). To solve problem with Vader usage plan and take loyalty of Noghri. But he decide to be a evil-villain and just deceive allies.

Emperors Treasury - he not use Caamas Document and other materials about the crimes of Republic to divide NR.
He not divide 20 000 clone cylinders on other planets in UR, to protect facility from destruction in one strike. Hes like a simple villain - who love put eggs into one basket.

He let Luke Skywalker leave 3 times in a row.

1)He send noghri without ship fueled by Ysalamiri. 20 Ysalamiri on one tree protect full Karrde base(hangars for machines, living cites, hangar for supplies and equipment, hangar for cargo, communication and detection center)
They can just set ship with 20-100 Ysalamiri into sky, to off Force in whole city.
2)When Skywalker ship was captured by Tractor beam, Trawn must send coman to shot with ion weapon. To off x-wing. And only after that - pull ship onboard. To prevent lucky shot from x-wing.
3)Thrawn know - Luke x-wing have a destroyed hyperdrive. But he just let him live and not go to him for make him 100% dead.

Thrawn didn't train his ground troops well. Empire capture Luke and R2D2 on Myrkr, but they not use restraining bolts on droid(prevent Luke to get light saber). When Empire soldiers was attacked, they don't paralyze Luke.
If they do it -> they can ignore the prisoner and direct all forces to the enemy.

Battle of Sluis Van. Thrawn not change codes from Mole Miners... Its like you take wi-fi router from someone. Bring it on military base for confidential local system. But you not change Wi-Fi password and old owner can joint into to network...
And here old owner is Lando - a huge chance what he send old codes to hist Republic friends.

He can have 1-2 clone cylindres on ship, to create clone of enemy. For info. Use GeNode for make loyal clone and take information from it. Or just watch memory without create clone, if you use stuff for memory copy.

Behaved stupidly with Mara. Could use reason, experience, knowledge and facts -> to slowly win her over to his side. But he go into wrong way.

He send only one spy group to capture Leia and Mara on Coruscant. Instead of two or more. And this operation was so rectilinear.
Instead of do it as usual - attack several places, divert attention and achieve your goal.
He not give Ysalamiri(or child Ysalamiri) to group. He not give lightsaber to group for fast burow door or walls. He didnt give gas or other paralyzed things to group.

And more and more mistakes.
He made a lot of mistakes and his death was well deserved. He killed a guy for example for one mistake. Honestly that he received an answer for all his mistakes.

But in general. The story in the books was good. Other characters, new places and events - was good.

I also couldn't finish watching Rebels. Don't really like it.
But I don't know - if it's right to blame new Thrawn in mistakes. If he also made quite a few mistakes in the past.

P.S. I would like to read a fanfic with a competent Thrawn. Could you name something? Of course, if you know and if it not hard for you. Thanks and good luck.

Kali Fogg

3y↑2

Exactly: shooting the enemy in a trench doesn’t translate well to having to spar with words on a political arena.

People dunk on the PT and the more political episodes of TCW because they want the pew pew pew action over the boring political stuff.

But the PT and political episodes of TCW establish the current political situation/environment why the Republic is in turmoil, why people might have become disenchanted with the Republic and either supported/joined the Separatists or supported the Empire.

There’s a precedent for ambitious people taking advantage of political instability or public dissatisfaction/dissent with how things are done with the government.

But some people don’t want to think about the cause and effect that leads to the rise of dictatorships and rebellions.

It’s easier to focus on stories of corrupt politicians and the military people that save the day vs trying to make a good government and the military people feeling lost because there’s no war to fight.

I have a friend who stopped reading the EU just before the NJO because it was just fighting without end and she was sick of it. I stopped with the FotJ series because it was war/conflict without end and I was sick of it.

There’s so much more than fighting to explore!

What about a rebel soldier being discharged, returning home and struggling to go back to civilian life? Their old job is gone and with so many soldiers being discharged at the same time jobs are being snatched up quickly and people that used to not work have jobs and those who were working in factories/facilities fueling the war machine are looking for new jobs or dealing with shifts in what’s being made.

But I guess reading about an average Joe/Jane having to readjust to civilian life after the war and rebuilding their life and relationships would be boring; especially if there wasn’t going to be a plot that they uncover and foil.

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I3oo1Ve

3y↑3.2K

Rebellion: We want to replace the Empire.
Everyone: With what?
Rebellion: .... WE want to replace the Empire!

Revolutionaries Of Freedom

1y↑1

They wanted a republic that’s why they are called alliance to restore the republic

Darth Vader

@SWannouncer The Sequel Trilogy RUINED the Prequel and Original Trilogy.

Urlaub Urlaub

The Rebellion was the Alliance to Restore the Republic. A republic, just look at Napoleon, is not simply the greatest deal of the world, even if the American approach was less about mass rule and blood and expansion into the private. The Alliance was never about participation, but that's OK, because it was only based opon morals and Aristrocratic leadership. This must be on the one hand the case moviewise, because there are no other options shown, ever. But also is the Empire the complete opposite, similar to Jabba, Boba and even Han Solo, who all respect the private sphere, whereas the Republic and the Alliance is all about morals, so they are automatically elected "for the good". This is not based on logic, cause everybody could say, he is elected because he is good. This overstretchs even reason why there is a republic in the first place, because it is created by the most advanced race, humans, but this is cashed for minorities and high morals. Disney Star Wars makes fun, that this must lead to the most weird leaders out of equality. Or a dictatorship like 1984. For obvious reasons, such a thing would create civil unrest or cheating, and even more than the Empire, which features it's benefits and order.

General Lobo

@Matthew Finkenbinder I don't think they are unaware.
The scale of slaves and conflicts made by it is too small for us to ignore

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Tayvin4042

3y↑3K

This actually makes Garm Bel Iblis' point even stronger. He and his Rebel cell broke away from the Alliance because he felt Mon Mothma was just another dictator who wanted Palpatine's political power. I don't think Mothma's that actually power hungry, but it is still interesting.

Hodor

@Zenith no. power is not corrupting. it only reveals what is already truly inside man. a corrupt man is corrupt whether he has power or not while righteous man remains righteous whether he has power or not

oscar anderson

2y↑1

the entire point of ep1-3 was the consolidation of wartime power for the sake of security was what did in the Republic.
like, I don’t see Mon Mothma becoming a horrible dictator but she’s absolutely paved the way for the second fall of the Republic. her position is just too powerful to not be a danger.

Urlaub Urlaub

2y↑1

I completely agree with Garm Bel Iblis. However, Mon Mothma sounds a little bit like "my mom" in comparison to Darth Vader "dark father". So I just think, that Mon Mothma is just illogical feminism in general, where as Bel Iblis wanted a limited government, in which decent rights and obligations could exist, which excludes unfairnis and power struggles. The Rebel Alliance never featured an inner crisis in the movies or books, but it is just unbelievable that people, who want atleast a little bit of individual freedom and therefor join the Alliance would accept rule from Mon Mothma, because there is nothing which gives her this privilege logically and others not. She might not be power hungry in the way to further increase might, but that is easily said if she is the unquestioned ruler. If Palpatine wouldn't fear that somebody could ever replace him, why should he increase might and risk it? Only, if he would be irrational or he would need suffering for live longer, but even the Sith order is not about blood lust.

Robert Davis

@DrFunctional Ditto that. At the 3 minute mark, I started thinking that the OP had missed his entire character arc.

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TheAstrogoth

3y↑1.5K

I like these “flaws” whether they are intentional or not. They make the SWU feel more alive.

Jayden C

@Nice Crook Yes really. People change and desperate times call for desperate measures. Not at all, that is a very different and more drastic scenario. Not at all.

antiochus87

@John R Then in the EU that's fine and logical, but when compared the films (where they are portrayed as saints), this comes across as worrying. The films in general lack the moral ambiguity that would allow for this kind of grey and grey morality.

John R

In the EU it's made clear that the rebellion aren't saints and a lot of people left the rebellion as they felt they weren't much better than the empire

Jayden C

2y↑1

@Kamoshun It honestly does make it better. Well I like it lol.

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MonkeyJedi99

3y↑1.6K

When your faction is defined solely or largely by what it is AGAINST, winning can be a minefield.

Open Thinker

2y↑1

@Joozuji Saito This is also a pretty key fact of the 2020 election in relation to the point of this comment. Many people voted for Biden simply because he wasn’t trump, without caring about his track record or his policies.
He won by pointing at Trump and saying “I ain’t him!” And got half the country to vote him in.

rejvaik

2y↑3

"Peace is a lie, there is only passion"

Fede Gonzalez

2y↑3

"To be united by hatred is but a fickle alliance at best"
-Kreia

Miguel Padeiro

@RC:1136 Darman How exactly, the winning factions of ww2 predate ww2, one in decades, other in centuries, one in millenia

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CWSmith

3y↑1.8K

The biggest issue with the Rebellion was always that there were real reasons to want the old Republic replaced with something else. The Clone Wars were all about that, even if Palpatine was playing both sides.

There were true believers in the CIS that fel the Republic was no longer a good thing.

PICOLLO JR

@Take On Lana Uh...

Connor Morris

2y↑1

I honestly think that the separatists were the most ethical political body in Star Wars. Obviously I’m not including dooku or the separatists who committed war crimes to fulfill palpatine’s plan. I’m talking about the actual separatists who thought they were just fighting for their freedom

Wes Kennington

The CIS had good intentions until Sidious, Dooku and Grievous stepped in and started to pollute their ideals. They just wanted a life for themselves that some far off government that taxed the hell out of them and opposed them didn’t have a part in.

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Chancellor Palpatine

3y↑352

They should have just saved the time and money and resurrected a true leader. As a great man once said:

"I love democracy, I love the New Republic."

rejvaik

The senate himself 😳

SourSugar

2y↑1

@Wesley Molt That can’t be, he loves democracy!

KaletheQuick

2y↑9

@SWannouncer stop spamming.

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Magical Chipmunk

3y↑889

I wouldn't call the alliance a dictatorship, it's closer to a military junta

Null_IG22

Union Jack Clearly a true English man. In this country there are only those that don't care to look around them, those to blind to open their eyes and those pained by what they see. I hope your wisdom is worth the cost friend

Null_IG22

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Joshua Benitez

3y↑805

“Blowing up planets is not something good guys do”

Ripley (from the Alien franchise)”Nuke the entire site from orbit- - it’s the only way to be sure”

Kenneth Huang

@random observer Okay, but I was responding to Joshua Benitez's original joke that compared LV-426 to an entire planet. Besides, Hadley's Hope had, as Burke put it, "a substantial dollar value" attached to it that was separate from its human population.

LostInNumbers

@random observer Ender chose to cast himself as the villain because he knew that humanity needed a bad guy for the fact that the Formic were peaceful to sink in. We understand the world in narratives. He wasn't about to condemn any other person to this fate, and in a way he was the person most responsible for the destruction of the Formic homeworld.
Besides he was looking forward for a chance to disappear anyway.

random observer

@LostInNumbers Yeah- I feel like I've been in a minority for decades in neither getting nor agreeing with OSC's point.

random observer

@Kenneth Huang Granted, but the issue is not blowing up otherwise lifeless hunks of rock, It's wiping out all life on a planet. Ripley set out to do that, and almost succeeded, even if the scale is puny. The rest of LV426 is pre-defunct. If Alderaan had not been a populated world, who would regard its destruction as an atrocity?

Matthew Smith

Technically it was an accidental event.

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Jennifer Brewer

3y↑398

Sadly that's not an uncommon thing, a new government becoming exactly what they'd fought so hard to change.

Bruno Serafim Silva

except the new republic wasn't a dictatorship, mon mothma was elected, then leia, then ponc etc etc, this video is misleading, yeah the rebel alliance wasn't democratic but they were just a military group, there is no space for democracy in armed forces, once they formed their government democracy was stablished.

sunsetman22

2y↑5

meet the new boss... same as the old boss

Andrew Greeb

2y↑10

It either takes some great people or something above to make a real difference. Keep in mind George Washington was offered to be king, but refused.

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Latinkon

3y↑444

If Disney had balls, they would have greenlight a series that greatly explores the political aspects of the "Alliance" and the "Empire" in the vein of the criminally overlooked Legend of the Galactic Heroes TV series, aka the Empire vs. Alliance series Star Wars won't have anytime soon (outside of the EU).

Zivo

2y↑3

i actually wanna see a show where they show the lives of empire workers and regular people but mainly focus on the life of stor;troopers or imperial troopers and workers

spritemon 98

2y↑1

I want more of this

spaccorn

2y↑2

@Boo Bah I can understand where you are coming from but at the beginning of a big war when you have a bunch of old guard military leaders, it can and has happened where many of them are shown to be idiots. You can see this in practically any side during WWI and WWII. Some forces, like the Japanese wouldn't realize how incompetent some of their older military leaders were until they were facing modern equipped and trained opponents.

Also if heroes upstaging veterans makes you upset I'm not sure how you fell into Star Wars fandom.

erwin669

2y↑1

@NYG5 from what I remember one of the provisions of the bill was that the Trade Federation had exclusive rights to transport the relief supplies to the planet because they still had a substantial voting block in the Senate.
And why is the Trade Federation still a major player in the Senate after the invasion of Naboo you ask? Well, it is because the legality of the invasion was still being decided in the courts and that was all tided up in litigation.

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rejvaik

2y↑12

"An alliance united by hatred is a fractured one at best" - Kreia

Jacob Huff

3y↑158

I wish the Star Wars sequels started on this point. Revolution is easy, but rebuilding damage societies and institutions proves more difficult.

DomWeasel

2y↑1

@Urlaub Urlaub
I live in a nation with socialism. Like most of Europe, and South Korea, Japan, Australia etc.

Urlaub Urlaub

That's what Disney Star Wars completely destroyed through removing logic completely. However, they are showing more that the "left-wing" is less about rules and consistency, and the "right-wing" is more about megalomania, what is far more to reality than George's simplemindedness.

However, this elite approach of the old Rebellion from the old movies did suit the contrast to the Empire a little bit better, than making the Rebellion full fledged Socialist like the new movies, because nobody who is not forced by fear would ever join that. The old Rebellion just fits better to the old Republic and Jedis, and high morals. And basically that is Star Wars. A copy of the old German fairy tales.

DomWeasel

2y↑1

It was one of the things I liked about the Ori seasons of Stargate SG:1, watching the Jaffa struggle to build a new system. Trying to unite themselves when they've spent thousands of years killing each other, not becoming the masters they used to serve, facing new threats, evolving out of the tightly-bound traditions they used to follow that no longer have meaning and so on.

Che Guevara was a great rebel, but he had no interest in building or running a country. The people who lead revolutions are rarely capable of governing.

rejvaik

2y↑2

Jacob Huff

@rejvaik I could agree with the sentiment if the sith wasn’t a corruption of the Dark side, but then the Jedi are a corruption of the Light side too. Always like the Dark sides dynamic nature it’s just needs a bit of discipline & self reflection to avoid self-destructive tendencies.

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barbiquearea

3y↑282

The thing is the Rebel Alliance was not a traditional government that answered to a civilian population but rather a stateless faction made up of individuals who were in opposition to the rule of Emperor Palpatine and his empire. This was the real reason why they did not practice democracy despite their paramount goal to restore a democratic-republican form of government to the galaxy. Because as rebels they were not managing the affairs of the the galaxy's population. But once they took power that was a different story.

Hufflepuff Baseball

@Manky Scotch Git I know, but I don’t believe they went source material first, JJ panicked after Rian killed Snoke in TLJ, he had to find a new villain, ignored George Lucas’ idea of Maul and Darth Talon, plucked Palpatine out of the air, and found out later that shit happened in the EU. Would seem more on-brand, especially because KK didn’t seem to know about it

Manky Scotch Git

@Hufflepuff Baseball Basically the same thing happened in Dark Empire just in a much shorter span of time, a lot of the EU sequels were every bit as stupid as what Disney came up with (no surprise since JJ blatantly just ripped off Dark Empire).

Bruno Serafim Silva

@Whatsup That's a false equivalence, the US is nowhere near as centralized as the empire was, the emperor was for all intents and purposes the sole unifying factor of the empire, one he and his second hand man died it was pretty much over. palpatine planned on ruling forever and never made any plans for someone to succeed him. also the rebels were worried about a counter attack by what was left of the death squadron, but the commander dithered and some of his forces left, so he decided to leave.

Revolutionaries Of Freedom

Well they were inside the galactic republic but became rebels when the galactic empire took over cuz they had to leave the society

Derek Ford

2y↑1

They didn’t. The Empire lasted for a year after the Battle of Endor until they were defeated at the Battle of Jakku. Endor was the beginning of the end for the Empire, not the end itself

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Christopher Williams

3y↑355

Don't forget Eck how in the Hand of Thrawn duology the current Chief of State Ponc Gavrisom literally states that his sole intentions for being Chief of State is to hold the Office down for Leia while she takes a break and in 21 ABY he literally resigns and gives the position to Leia when she feels like being a politician again, a literal Putin-esque Power Move. How the hell is it that Palpatine with emergency powers is more Democratic than the New Republic?

Manky Scotch Git

@St4rlight R4v3n Bail Organa and Mon Mothma both held their senate positions for like 20+ years through multiple regimes, it's not exactly the marker of a healthy democracy to have rich and privileged individuals (hereditary title-holders in Bail's case) hanging on to power for that long.

Also, given that the Senate was gradually stripped of powers and finally dissolved by the Empire, you could very justifiably read the Rebellion as being the product of an elitist cabal angry at being deprived of the power they'd become accustomed to, rather than a movement of the people (who just went along with it because the Empire was brutal and corrupt and the Rebellion was the only other option on the menu). Which is pretty true to life, because in reality many revolutions are led by members of the middle and upper classes who just take advantage of the poor to get the power they want.

macross

@Kuba Jackiewicz same with the Democratic Republic of Korea and the People's Republic of China

St4rlight R4v3n

3y↑1

@IMMentat he lost power by *gaining power*, if you know what I mean

IMMentat

3y↑2

In fairness to palpatine, he did eventually lay down those powers.
I mean it took him being thrown down a random zappy hole in his command centre before his mobile war crime station blew up to do it (after liquidating the senate) but he did eventually loose power.

Abraham 2

@St4rlight R4v3n Thats right. If youre interested, I highly recommend the book Darth Plagueis.

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Christian Farren

3y↑552

“Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

The ST in a nutshell

GabesEditz

2y↑2

@Titanic Tuna and Ogres, if you know what I mean 😉

Aliquid A

3y↑1

Death Star didn't work? Lets make another one!

Titanic Tuna

3y↑5

@Redeye Like an onion, onions have layers...

Christian Farren

3y↑1

@Gigas0101 Nah man, Sequel Trilogy

The last thing I want is to start a franchise war!

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Guccifer

3y↑71

I feel this is more due to the writers obsession with dynastic legacy more than anything. They write Star Wars like a fantasy novel, where ones special lineage makes them uniquely suited to rule and have power, which has some very concerning subtext in a democratic system.

You see this in other aspects of Star Wars Legends as well, especially with the whole “Jedi Dynasty” thing that went on in the New Jedi Order. Makes the force seem less mystical when it seems to care about whose sperm you came from.

Darth Furuta

Or just like the democracy in Greece and Japan. Example: The Papandreou Family, Grandfather, Father and Son were Prime Minister

Crusader21

2y↑1

@Lady Grey Space Bismarck. Okay, Pelleaon sounds even more interesting now.

Postal Employee Newman 🇺🇦

This.👏

Guccifer

3y↑4

@Stone Sky Sunrise
Oh my god, I thought I was the only one who disliked the idea of the Fel Empire

Stone Sky Sunrise

3y↑6

This is why I didn’t care much for the legacy era with the fel empire.

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Arashmickey

3y↑178

Strange aliens lying in ponds distributing starships is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery species threw a cruiser at you. I mean, if I went 'round, sayin' I was an emperor, just because some moistened squid had lobbed a starblimp at me, they'd put me away!

Captain Hammer

2y↑2

Help! Help! I'm being repressed! (in space I guess)

Cutlery

2y↑3

That was an absolutely brilliant reference.

HistoryFan476AD

3y↑9

Worked through out most of history he with the biggest army makes the rules.

John Morgan

3y↑10

You joke, but the Mandalorians decide who gets leadership via the Dark saber and trial by combat...

Vladislav Ivanov

3y↑24

@Arashmickey Bloody rebel...

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Captain Talion

3y↑711

The truth comes out finally.

Homer

@Captain Talion I did

Revolutionaries Of Freedom

@Captain Talion the enemies of the heroes of liberty will soon be oppressed by the glorious free people !

Captain Talion

@Revolutionaries Of Freedom I def didn’t ask about this.

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Martin Riser

3y↑82

There's actually some deleted scenes in Revenge of the Sith where you see Mon Mothma running a proto-rebellion meeting in Padme's appartment.

Dalek Bumps

3y↑219

To be fair to Mon Mothma, she was technically a democratically elected official of the Republic, so by that logic she kinda sort-of was elected, albeit not for the specific role of Chief-of-State

KaletheQuick

So the word Emperor is an interesting one, it comes from the Latin Imperator, but most other languages use something like Tsar, Czar, or Kaiser, which derives from an ancient Emperor, first Imperator, Julius Caesar, who was elected.

Joe BLOW#25FH3975361B

@OllamhDrab OH NO...I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR YOUR HAND IN MARRIAGE!!!

OllamhDrab

3y↑1

@Joe BLOW#25FH3975361B Excellent, now you get a hard pass on further dialogue. click.

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Deus Procyon

3y↑17

"A culture's teachings, and most importantly, the nature of its people, achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves… or find themselves lacking. Too long did the Republic remain unchallenged. It is a stagnant beast that labors for breath… and has for centuries. The Jedi Order was the heart that sustained its sickness—now the Jedi are lost, we shall see how long the Republic can survive." - Kreia

Rogue Fox

3y↑154

The EU Rebels got things done though they also had their fair share of problems with their own Republic, the Canon Rebellion on the other hand is so pathetic that Thrawn could conquer it in less than two weeks if it weren’t for Ezra.

charles Receski

1y↑1

@PreparatorySchool the TIE defender prototype had a tracking beacon and self destruct module to prevent examination by enemy forces

kokot

Wolftamer54

@Iris Gale Yeah, that’s fine. There’s already long enough debates under this one comment. Let’s just leave it as it is.

Iris Gale

2y↑1

@Wolftamer54 You asked. I can go into more detail about all the things that frustrate me about it if you want, but this probably isn't the place for it.

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OptimusWombat

3y↑76

Opposite nepotism: two key members of the Rebel Alliance were the children of the Emperor's right-hand man.

NinjaKED12

@SWannouncer you don’t need an apology from a bad movie. Grow up

Marx

@SWannouncer
the person you're replying to has accomplished having the blessed Youmu as their avatar, you did not. corporations are there to make MONEY, disney will not issue some "public apology" or do anything to kathleen kennedy, they will merely do more mandalorian and similar projects as long as they bring money. will they make something that can actually be considered impactful to the industry and important to culture? no, but they will have a lot of money.

SWannouncer

3y↑2

@Youmu Konpaku 😂Get triggered much? 🍼 1) Disney DOES keep tabs on the bigger Star Wars fan channels. 2) No delusions here, just a fan. And if "NOBODY CARES" why did you bother replying? 3) Perfect PROJECTION! Bravo! 4) What have you accomplished in life?
😂 COPE

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thanqualthehighseer

3y↑14

" The only thing good people are good at is overthrown the bad guys, the next day everyone is sitting round a table complaining ever since the tryrant has gone nobody has taken out the trash. Because the bad guys know how to plan and organize it's part of the specification, every evil tyrant has a plan to take over the world, good guys don't seem to have the knack " ~ Lord Vetirari Ankh Morpork

Patrick Stewart

3y↑33

Just one thing: If I recall correctly, Mon Mothma didn’t just appoint Leia as the new head of state. Leia was the No. 2 person in the Republic government and would’ve been first in the line of succession. Other than that, yeah, I too am a little fuzzy on how the NR election system works.

Patrick Stewart

3y↑3

@Crumb You know what’s more surprising? 14 people liked this and didn’t notice.
😅

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Joshua Gilbert

3y↑25

I mean it's not that crazy really, mon mothma and Leia are major heroes from the war so the idea that they were repeatedly upheld as leaders isn't unheard of. And in terms of the power they wield the organization was still in a war state during majority of the time with things constantly springing up(like every year lol)
Is it perfect, no
But it wasn't some kind of secret dictatorship imo
Also the populous electing someone like borsk is something that happens, someone can become really popular who is kinda shitty or people just want change from the norm.
Daala I feel was elected in simular regards and while I don't really like her, her interactions with the jedi after her getting in charge weren't that unreasonable, the jedi young were going nuts after all. But she did generally make a better bond with the imperial remnants making sure they didn't feel like second class citizens.

SubLordHawk

3y↑12

It really has me questioning just how unimaginative the authors were.

Minicle

3y↑99

CIS for the win. We need a 'What if' series for Star Wars akin to the old Infinities.

Benalor

2y↑3

Long live the C.I.S.

I so badly want a show more focus on the C.I.S.

The Psychic Spoon

3y↑5

@Dark Leome More like what if the Droid army actually won a battle...ON SCREEN.
With the clone troopers in full rout, with Obi wan making sad face and Anakin going full temper tantrum.

But No, That was too much to ask for according to the man with the cowboy hat.

Stone Sky Sunrise

3y↑1

I’m down for that idea

Seawind

3y↑2

The CIS does come back in Legends. Without the droid armies though.

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Brickcraft Productions

3y↑86

So the post Return of the Jedi Legends Timeline was not a Good time to live in, not because of the Countless Wars from the Thrawn Campaign to the Yuzong Vong War but due to the New Republic's Inept Democratic System that could make a Civilian question how the New Republic handled their World after Dark Empire, or paint a Whole new picture that the Rebel Alliance and it's successors are not actually the Good Guys for those who lived in the Outer Rim or were used as Collateral by Both Factions

Jacob H

3y↑15

I wish there was more politics in the sequel movies besides “the company that produces x-wings also produces TIEs.” I don’t know if the New Republic has been explained in comics or books or anything, but from the movies they seem like a group that has no power, suffering from the same issues as the Old Republic but without Palpatine using disorder to build up his influence until he’s emperor and no one can oppose him. And even that’s not really said, they blow up the senate halfway into the first movie.

Th. K.

2y↑1

@Phil only some damage in the building. remember in part 4 we are told the Emperor finally dissolved the Senate for good right then, so they still have been kept around for about two decades after the founding of the Empire :-)

Mathias Bartl

2y↑1

I mean a merger between Sienar and Income is perfectly conceivable.

Th. K.

3y↑4

Disney's sequel movies make no sense, so you should spare yourself the unnecessary headache and just ignore them. x-wings and ties being made by the same company would be a retcon. according to pre-sequel source material, the tie-series is made by Sienar Fleet Systems and the X-Wings by Incom Corporation. Not sure about the comics, but the so called "Legends" novels explain the state of the galaxy quiet well. and the New Republic actually has some real power there as well. all in all those novels are 1000% more entertaining/interesting than the sequel movies.

Cash Nixon

3y↑13

Galaxy: Thank you! You’ve freed us of the Empire
Rebel Alliance: Oh I wouldn’t say “freed.” More like “under new management.”

Michael Ramon

3y↑383

This is actually an area where the Canon New Republic does much better. Mothma does end up as the first leader, but after her retirement everything is controlled by blocks of elected senators. Leia even ends up being chased out of politics, and by 34 ABY there is very little in terms of the Rebel Alliance old guard running things. Now, this much more democratic Republic ends up horrendously gridlocked, but that's a common risk of democratizing an incredibly diverse population.

It does seem like the Legend New Republic picks its leader based on the Senate voting (like a prime minister), rather than a direct popular election. That's how the prior Republic picked chancellors, and it may be the only practical way to democratically pick leaders in a galaxy with trillions of people on tens of thousands of planets.

John Stark

So the First Order did something right?

Blue Son of Man

@Null_IG22 Real Ancaps are aginst Corporations as Corporations are fascist.

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Athane

3y↑61

I assume its a George Washington situation, where everyone unanimously voted for the person who led them through the war. That or Mon Mothma was appointed as interim leader while they set up government, then won her first election because she was doing a good job?

Manky Scotch Git

2y↑1

@Cutlery I wish this would happen, THG is outwardly edgier but it has a much better underlying message for kids, i.e. don't trust the self-described good guys.

Cutlery

2y↑1

Just think about what the Star Wars version of The Hunger Games ending would have been if that were Mon Mothma on the podium.

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Georgio Ts

2y↑3

I've explored the old Expanded Universe since I was a young teenager. It was abundantly clear to me after the whole Jacen Solo thing that the Jedi were basically a menace to the galaxy. Almost every problem except maybe the Vong came from them. They propped up their family who were often pretty dictatorial as you pointed out. Vader never ruled the galaxy but his kids arguably did.

George Hawthorne

3y↑10

"The Alliance was structured to wage war, not rule in peace. It was a benign dictatorship empowered to lead a Rebellion, not govern a galaxy."

princecharon

3y↑33

Doylistly (out-of-story), the problem is that the writers were writing in an era and partly in a genre (military science fiction) that had a lot of 'bad politicians screw things up, good military people have to clean up the mess' stories, on top of not really knowing or caring how real governments work, not wanting to tell 'boring' stories about elections (that would be different if the EU stories were written now, IMHO), and wanting to keep fan-favorites at the forefront.

Watsonianly (in-story), the rebels were good at surviving as a rebellion, but as other posters in these comments have noted, those skills don't necessarily translate well to running a government, and they mostly survived as a galactic government due to having people strong in the Force propping them up. This of course doesn't cover all the other politicians elected by planets later on, but the NR surviving on inertia, nostalgia, and being objectively less bad than the Empire until it collapsed under Borsk Fey'lya (almost the archetype of 'bad politician' in mil-sf, along with having a name clearly meant to sound like 'worst failure') and the pressures of a disastrous war is pretty believable.

Sahil Hossian

2y↑1

@Kali Fogg their exist anti-war movies

Kali Fogg

3y↑2

Ernesto Cortez

2y↑2

I absolutely love when factions are not just clear cut evil and good , makes it realistic

al Mamlūk

3y↑473

This is why I think the Fel Empire had the right idea. Form an organized, centralized Galactic Empire but without the weird Sith shit and widespread abuses of the Palpatine Empire.

Manky Scotch Git

2y↑1

@Koppány Bendegúz Szarvas >Corruption is much easier to recognise in democracies, and then it is dealt with usually
Idk about that my dude. Modern democracies are de facto oligarchies and pretty much everyone just abuses their office to make millions. This is also how the Republic was always characterised in the EU.

P

2y↑1

But the weird Sith shit was always too useful to ignore.
Smarter, deadlier droids. Cooler weapons. Better starships. Thousands of years worth of superior tech. Even if some of it worked in ways which seemed ... unnatural.
And the ability to strangle your enemies with a thought is always useful.

Crusader21

2y↑2

@Koppány Bendegúz Szarvas I don’t think it’s easier, I think it’s just as difficult or more difficult to recognize corruption in Democracies, than it is in Dictatorships. Since in Dictatorships, there’s generally either one leader or an oligarchy that’s ruling over the a country, while in modern western liberal “democracies”, there’s an absurd amounts lobbying from special interest groups buying out politicians and honestly I can’t even tell the difference between government and large private industries anymore. Most politicians are so bought out it doesn’t even matter who’s standing up there on the podium.

NYG5

2y↑1

@al Mamlūk Trudeau could never do this, he waves rainbow flags

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Ascension Industries

3y↑128

Palpatine just wanted peace, and he would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling rebels.

Adam Baker

Palpatine did not want peace. He wanted everyone but himself to suffer under his reign

Blank

2y↑2

Spread the good word, brotha!

Ichijoe2112

2y↑3

The Empire was right!

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ArtificialDragon

3y↑203

It's funny how Eckert in the past paints the Rebellion as this perfect faction with perfect leadership but now he makes videos like this lol

John Stark

2y↑1

Ironically the Sequel Era shifted my entire Outlook on who should have won the GCW

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Seth Aurelius

3y↑20

This makes the Correlian session crisis in the legacy of the force era make a lot of sense. Almost as if Thrakan Sal had a point.

Wilf Chapman-Gandy

2y↑4

The classic "let's overthrow the government"
"then what?"
"then we go to the pub!"
"But like, what are we going to do about the government"
"First round's on me!"

TrollerPilotXIV

3y↑2

It would be interesting to make an AU where this structure of the Rebel Alliance and New Republic were co-opted by a rival Dark Side user who wanted to take Palpatine's place.

Chiefjoseph82

3y↑1

Thank You! I've been telling people this for decades ever since Ep.1 came out. Even back then I was like this is what they were trying to get back? Just think who much better it would have been if they just let Thrawn win and rule.

Iris Gale

3y↑116

This is what happens when people who don't understand all the checks and balances a political system requires try to write a government in a fictional setting. They have so many other things to focus on in the story that they can't give time to flesh out the system and address the problems hiding under the good guy veneer. Of course, in all fairness, a lot of portrayals of the galaxy as time went on generally favored the Empire and its style of ruling through security and authority, but tempered away from Palpatine and Tarkin's rule by fear nonsense. Even though the Empire was autocratic it was mostly clean of corrupt electoral systems and abuses of civilian authority; the problems mostly came from the individuals filling the positions and the party line being dictated from the top that made the Empire the evil state we all know it as. After all, the only government sponsored humanitarian organization I ever remember hearing about in all of Star Wars was the Imperial Mission, a sort of Red Cross stand in formed under the Fel Empire that would eventually be cooped by Darth Krayt and turned into a religious propaganda tool and inquisition, but had been founded with actual good intent and required a literal evil space wizard to corrupt.

Th. K.

2y↑2

@NinjaKED12 yes, there was. But if you go by some of the novels about the Star Wars EU (which Disney decided, foolishly I think, to no longer be canon and called it Star Wars Legends), when any high ranking official within the Empire - even on the level of the Moffs - became corrupt beyond a certain threshold, then one of the Emperor's Hands, such as Mara Jade, would be sent to assassinate them. So, unlike the Republic, which was notoriously ineffective in handling such matters, the Empire had at least established a working mechanism to keep corruption in check. Granted, the mechanism going into effect depended on the whims of a single individual, but that's absolute monarchies and dictatorships for you :-)

Iris Gale

2y↑5

@dark7element That heavily depends on which era of the Republic you are referring to. The Pius Dea era, for one. And then there's the Jedi Civil War era, leading from the Mandalorian Wars up to the Dark Wars, and then there's the Great Galactic Wars after that. The Old Republic's functionality and morality are always dependent on what era of the timeline you refer to. To paraphrase a story I read, in the leadup to the Clone Wars the Republic did not know peace, it knew quiet, a tenuous status quo covering up atrocities and corruption stemming from a relinquishing of power from both the Republic's central military authority and the Jedi Order and the Jedi Lords.

dark7element

2y↑4

The Republic actually had an excellent track record though. It maintained peace for literally thousands of years and sustained multiple attempts by various Sith forces (who never lasted very long due to their inability to plan or cooperate in the long term) to topple it. The Old Republic was functioning well, albeit with a heavy reliance on the Jedi Order to make it work, until Palpatine came along and sabotaged everything with his assholish scheme for absolute personal power.

Th. K.

3y↑3

@Iris Gale while rule by fear is nonsense, when you are interested in your subjects being happy, productive, non-rebelling people, it's a doctrine that makes some sense for a Sith leader, since keeping the populous somewhat fearful would strengthen Palpatine's dark side powers. and of course any official who got too corrupt could expect a visit from one of Palpatine's Hands. all iterations of the Republic, on the other hand, have been known to become infested with corruption that was impossible to dislodge, since the Republic would not do what was necessary either due to apathy or fear of surrendering the moral high ground.

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Crylec

3y↑38

Montesque has stated in his writings the spirit of laws that there is three branches all governments have. Their legislative, judicial, and executive. He said the balance between each one and the participation of the citizens must exist in order for liberty. However if either branch were to be one of the same, it will result in loss of liberty and creeping toward tyranny. With the Rebel Alliance, they had no real unified ideology other than over throwing the empire and so many had their own ideas. As well as you said they combined both the executive and legislation. Man isn't history so fascinating that it helps with our nerd shit!

Shigo Shigo

@Crylec you're welcome

Crylec

2y↑1

@Shigo Shigo Thank you

Shigo Shigo

2y↑1

Montesquieu.

Brooklyn T Guy

2y↑3

You got to love how the empire blew up one planet while the rebellion blew up two think about it

Jeremy Draper

2y↑3

This is why I like the prequels so much it gives us a deep look at the politics and struggles of the republic of the empire.

casbott

3y↑15

Mon Mothma in her bathroom locks the door, removes her contact lens and looks in the mirror, admiring her Sith eyes … and smiles to herself.

Jabami Lain

2y↑1

This is why I think the new government should have been a merger of the Rebel Alliance, the reborn CIS and Thrawn's Empire remmanant (like you had suggested in that other video theorizing about the "Alive Thrawn" timeline). Three political factions, with three different ideologies being forced to work together, not because of a common foe, but because that's what's gonna keep the divided galaxy from destroying itself.

Satya Abbydharda

2y↑4

I was a rebel faction supporter when I watching star wars back in the day but then I realized that what they do not showing the good things. Right now I'm joining the empire side

Glory for the Empire

Frederick Cooper

2y↑1

The fact that Nataasi Daala became Chief of State in either the Imperial Remnant or Galactic Alliance was always enough for me to believe the galaxy was always screwed post Palpatine's rise to power.

rejvaik

2y↑2

Spoken like a true imperial patriot. Well done 👍

LONG LIVE THE EMPEROR!

The Darkstar Syndicate

1y↑3

Glad to see more and more people are finally realizing what we've been fighting against!
Do not fight for a system of failed spoiled oligarchs and worthless backstabbing elites!
Fight for the Freedom of the Galaxy! *JOIN THE EMPIRE! *

Sergio Ruiz

3y↑5

Id love if you would do a video on how Jacen used legislation to gain control of the GA Forces.

Alejandro El Luxray

3y↑78

Man I'm so confuse right now about factions, everything points that being an outlaw is a way better lifestyle in Star Wars

PrimalTheEmperor (primal9000)

2y↑1

Sith good Jedi bad

Rich Kenyon

3y↑9

@John Morgan yes... kinda like Earth times a million. Lol

Fat Dave

3y↑5

@John Morgan trying to unite all of them is not only futile but dangerous

John Morgan

3y↑20

The Star Wars galaxy has almost always been chaotic. That's what happens when you have so many different people and factions with their own goals.

Carl Carlington

2y↑2

In this Frame work it’s actually really smart writing that the sith/ empire keeps coming back as the rebels/republic fail to fix any of the issues that lead to the empire existing that makes groups like the new order so appealing. Under either regime it really does seem like life’s sucks for your average person in the Star Wars universe.

Richard Lew

3y↑12

It makes sense for newly formed governments to start out as a near dictatorship since they tend to be very unstabilized. The actual issue is when those individuals in power are supposed to transfer power.

Matthew Smith

2y↑1

@Poppadop1 where do you get the ide that most people didn't support the Alliance?

Poppadop1

3y↑1

Don't you mean newly formed governments which require military conflicts to form? Just the fact that most beings did not actively support the Rebel Alliance, never mind fought on its side means that political representation would not be evenly distributed among the civilian populace.

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Chuck Dillingham

This would actually make for a great plot twist for the next trilogy!

Vaki Chan

3y↑13

For the Leia election part: she's literally a war hero. I doubt someone else could compete with that

Jonathon Maxwell

I always saw that Vader part coming from Sith Cultist plan to ruin his enemy when you go in with the fact Emperor had literal sith Cultist hiding in plain sight and doing serect thing for him. Leia expose as Vader daughter and public opinion becoming so bad make more sense.

Aaron Neumann

@Henry P think of it this way, Vader was the equivalent of Stalin's right-hand man and leader of the NKVD who, by all accounts, was called Stalin's Himmler unironically. Now the guy who kicked out the Stalinists is the son of said man. That's basically Leia's position in Disney Canon.

The Empire and Palpy tainted a lot of things to the point that it makes what happened to the things that the Nazis tainted in Germany look like nothing. Leia being Vader's daughter would be enough to basically turn her into an outcast in New Republic society outside of the former Rebellion who saw her fight and bleed for the cause.

Henry P

3y↑1

@Aaron Neumann see that doesn’t make any sense like if you found out that the person who overthrew Stolen ended the gulags and brought back freedom of speech and assembly was secretly his daughter unbeknownst to her and everyone else would you really care. Like seriously I feel like I could come out and everyone would be like all right she still overthrew Vader so it’s not like she’s secretly on his team or anything why would that affect her electability at all

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Chris Carrete

2y↑1

I like how Rogue One showed they can be just as ruthless as the Empire. Maybe not on the same level as the Empire but they did get their hands dirty when needed.

YetiPotato

I liked the books happening after the fall of the empire. The Rebels/new republic had to work hard to fill the power vacuum. They struggled hard and sometimes had to use underhanded tactics. The Leaders and heroes of the Rebellion had to change to face their new duties.

CadusBane

3y↑2

Darth Caedus did have quite the run as GA head of state. Who can go against an all black Star Destroyer with a clocking shield? Oh yeah a Mandalorian trained Jedi Knight who also happens to be his sister.

In my opinion the best ruining class of Legends was the Fel/Solo dynasty. Also it’s kick ass to have Imperial Knights in red armor backed up by troopers again. I love the Clone Wars throwback style of Military.

Marcus Scott

2y↑1

Eck, just curious, but if you could cast your vote in the New Republic, who would it have been for if not for Leia / Mon Mothma?

Leaves in Autumn

3y↑1

It's fairly realistic, in that way, many rebellions in our own history make similar missteps.

Colonel Overkill

3y↑56

Honestly, the rebel alliance was more of an alliance of various terrorist groups with mostly general agreement in overall objective.

charles Receski

1y↑1

Bail Organa would have definitely turned a blind eye towards any bio weapon labs the Rebels ever established on Alderaan

Matthew Smith

2y↑2

They were partisans, not terrorists. Big difference

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Jarf

2y↑1

The New Republic is a funny story imo - It's a shame that we don't have more content about it.

QliphalPuzzle545

3y↑1

I do appreciate how in the Fate of the Jedi series they point out the obscurity of that political chaos

Darth Prime

3y↑2

With Mon Mothma in charge it sounds like Anakin’s vision of Government he talked about in AOTC was achieved, and his daughter got to be part of it too no less!
"We should have someone in charge, who looks at the problem, and does what’s best for everyone."

"Peace through tyranny." —Megatron

JSB

1y↑1

Anakin's Force Ghost: Vindicated!

Imperials Explained Star Wars

3y↑2

As always interesting Legends video. The New Republic l suppose don't totally have it all their way after Endor as their was a power share with the remaining imperial figures and Imperial Remnant etc

Utreshimon

3y↑3

I think you might also need to consider the state of the galaxy after the death of the Empire.
Consider the perspective: Galactic governance had been consolidated under Palpatine, as supreme chancellor and then Emperor, for 20 years(ish). For maybe 15 of those years, the Empire had completely restructured or eliminated many planetary governments, replaced them with Imperial governors, and installed the Moffs, a level of government that did not previously exist under the Republic.
As the Empire crumbled, planets and whole sectors might not have their own native governments, might not even have the stability to hold their own elections, let alone be able to put forward a senator and agree on Republic governance issues on the galactic stage. By 4 ABY there would be a whole generation of young people who probably never experienced a democratic election on their home planet, and are then suddenly asked to help form a government.
It just seems to me that the Alliance and New Republic kept their power vested in charismatic (mostly benevolent) dictators out of genuine necessity to hold it all together, at least until everyone else could get their banthas lined up.

zakiducky

3y↑3

This is all interesting because the chronic instability after the fall of the Old Republic and again after the defeat of the Galactic Empire mirrors very closely what usually happens in the real world in these types of scenarios. Revolutions, civil wars, and major political shifts breed discontent, violence and instability for years and decades to come. The political powers that be that destroy one system usually just end up coopting its mechanisms to entrench themselves in the new political hierarchy at the expense of the people, which is why so many revolutions seemingly fail in the long run. Rarely do we see major success and reform, such as after the American revolution. More often things improve marginally, stay about the same, or get worse, which is the case for much of the Arab world after the Arab spring, and most nations in the 3rd world post-imperialism and post decolonization. So many of the worlds’ developing and underdeveloped countries only gained independence in the last century or so. And their stories track so much like that of legends Star Wars, domestic instability and foreign interference included. Truly, Star Wars is a galaxy of all genres. Sci-fi, westerns, space operas, fantasy, action, and political thrillers lol

Reece

Great video. I had no idea the leaders in the rebels and new Republic were choosen like that!

The_Desert_Tiger

3y↑1

The republic was very much like the capital out of the hunger games where the outer rim was very much used and abused by the inner rim to support them.

Tommy

3y↑2

If this is the case, then what the heck happens after the end of Rise of Skywalker? Everyone just goes one governing themselves? It would seem like the Republic or whatever would be ripe for the taking by an outside source. That one family entrusted with power, seemingly ripped itself apart.

daefaron

3y↑2

Without watching the video yet (will later) I wanna say the title kinda reminds me of an old TLJ argument I was in.

Basically, I pointed out how it could've been a brilliant case of the soldiers/pilots (the regular folk) vs the officers and leaders (the Admirals, captains, the rich folk like Leia or Holdo). Because of the whole "Well, almost everybody dying is okay only when we say it is." among other things. like how half the pilots died at Starkiller base: It's okay. Almost every pilot at first death star dead: it's okay. The dreadnought attack causing major losses but being a success: Bad, punish Poe.

Blacktron

2y↑1

This is what I wish the sequel trilogy covered. I wanted them to further go into how the New Republic wasn't as benevolent government as they claim to be, and how this led to many joining the Imperial Remnant (aka the First Order).

Stone Sky Sunrise

3y↑98

I mean I’ll still take them over the empire. Just wish they could’ve gotten some cool ground outfits too. It’s like they constantly shaft the good guys and give the villains everything. Like the clones were the last cool looking good guys.

Bjørn Martinsen

@King Andros non canon source from pre TCW.

james501

3y↑1

@King Andros They were "good"...for a time, I guess :)

Edward Hahm

3y↑2

@Killer Orca The Venator is one of my favorite SW ships. I just love the way it looks. Not only is it a good ship in battle but it also has style!

Wilber De Beer

3y↑1

@Jacob Clark It is one of tge reasons I actually like Solo, it was a nice relatively gritty movie.

Jacob Clark

3y↑8

I like the Rebels gear in the battles of Hoth and Endor. They have much more gritty and practical looking gear. One of best examples of the Empire’s gear is actually in Solo. Would like to see a more down and dirty Star Wars movie. Though maybe a narrative like that would function better, and be better received, in a video game.

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amy sargent

3y↑1

You know, The Essential Guide to Warfare (Pages 209-211), has a whole section dedicated to Garm Bel Iblis, and his issues with The Rebellion under Mon Mothma. He even believed she would outright declare herself Empress of The Galaxy, according to the book. How do you think he would lead The Rebellion/New Republic against The Empire, and future enemies if he was given the chance to lead, instead?

amy sargent

Btw, how would a New Republic lead by Iblis fare against The Yuuzhan Vong Invasion? I know it would be WAY better, but how much better?

Frontline Pros

The Templin Institute made a video called The New Republic reimagined and it's amazing. Its a story of how they would progress the Republic after Endor.

UGNAvalon

3y↑1

I love how 1:53 just summarizes the Rebellion as:

1) Form Rebel Alliance
2) Depose &/or Kill Emperor
3) ???
4) New Republic

🤣

enginepy

I always felt the same way. They did what they thought was right but was it really what was beat for the galaxy?

Sam Whary

3y↑1

If the empire wasn't so shady (deathstars and bioweapons and whatnot) we may have seen the alliance as the bad guys. Neat!

Trevor P

3y↑7

R2D2 killed ten times as many people as the Death Star in one sitting

#JusticeForByss

Alexander Padilla

2y↑1

Empire stans: visible happiness
Rebel stans: visible sadness

Robert G

3y↑34

This reminds me of George Washington, who was basically chosen as the first president of the United States by the Founding Fathers and "elected" by unanimous vote of a rubber-stamp Electoral College. Yet Washington actually believed in this new experimental republic and stepped down after serving two terms.

Orthus100

3y↑17

Which is kind of the point. Fledgling nations need to stabilize or else they just fall to infighting, that doesn't make it a dictatorship.

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Vasyear

3y↑1

#AskEck can you do a version of this for the cannon New Republic?

Where's that space battle from?

Raven Redwake

2y↑1

Can you imagine if somebody altered their battle droid tech to be about the size of a backpack where they were just suspensors, blasters and sensors, and just swarmed targets lighting them up? I know the tech of the Star Wars universe is as backward as Pre-Cawl 40k’s, but dang.

Eric Vornoff

3y↑1

The difference between a hero and a villain is where you end the story.

DIEGhostfish

3y↑24

I mean the Rebels were explicitly a temporary dictatorship in their charter. Mon Mothma had full authority on basically everything till the moment Palpatine died or was otherwise taken out of power. At that point she was to cede power to a council immediately, or be executed herself.

DIEGhostfish

3y↑2

@EckhartsLadder Ehhh exactly how much power she had vs the other organs of state is pretty vague because everything was kept really amorphous. We have to infer from her enemies like Garm deciding she was actually sticking to her promise to have less direct control than at the height of the Rebellion to actually "Prove" she was following the charter regarding her power level vs the authority she had at the height of the Rebellion.

Newie69MK

3y↑3

Yeah, none of that happened. She just stayed in power pretty much.

EckhartsLadder

3y↑15

Watch the video lol

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Kenneth Huang

3y↑1

I remember reading in the SW Databank that within the Rebel Alliance Mon Mothma was subject to a retention vote every year or every two years. The Rebel Alliance was of course a military organization, not a government.

As for the New Republic, there are a lot of details that haven't been filled in yet. We do see some of the workings in the Black Fleet Trilogy. But in terms of how democratic it is: it would be like the UN, meaning the Chief of State would be elected from the legislative body (the Senate) rather than directly by the citizens.

John D.

3y↑92

In a shocking turn of events, John Ellis “JEB” Bush becomes Chief of State of the Galactic Alliance.

“This is how Liberty dies, with a request for applause”

Matthew Smith

@timtamsteve some of the greatest evil is done in the name of the greater good.

timtamsteve

2y↑1

@Ichijoe2112 Well I'm not American so I have no idea who most of those people are or what they did that's relevant to this conversation but sure, if they did something worth criticising, I'm going to criticise them for it. Refusing to criticise politicians because they're on the same "team" as me is stupid and is a big reason why political discourse has got so unbearable over the last few years.

Ichijoe2112

@timtamsteve So you against people like Pelosi, Waters, and Griffin then? Or only when others like Senator Gosar (R) Arizona get called out on it?

timtamsteve

2y↑1

@RC:1136 Darman I'm not calling them fascists for standing against the government, I'm calling them fascists for calling for the execution of their political opponents and being fascists, as in actual, self identified nazis.
I'm also not saying everyone at those protests are fascists, just that there are quite a lot of fascists there.

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SalvageDude

fascinating. I'm always here for more overthinking of this kind of stuff

Anthony Hargis

It always amazes me how people confuse Good, Neutral and Evil.

hunterkiller1440

3y↑17

Small government would be possible in the Star Wars universe. But powerful systems would want to spread imperialism and it'll make the central power quite ineffective. Like the United Nations.

will radle

3y↑21

I've always shared the thought that if you took the Sith Lords out of the empire and remove some of the dictator like more evil elements out of Imperial High command the Empire would have ultimately been better for the Galaxy as far as security stability economic prowess and definitely military and planetary technology for example if the Empire had been lead from the start by someone like Grand Admiral thrawn I feel like the Galaxy would have done a lot better and the Rebellion may not have formed in the first place in fact that actually sounds like a good video idea you should definitely do a video on what the Galactic Empire and the Galaxy would have been like had Grand Admiral thrawn had founded the Empire instead of Palpatine

will radle

3y↑3

@John Morgan Yeah slot of the slavery wouldn't have gone on if palpating weren't around. Vader would have been more inclined to bring forward his thoughts and thrawn would have listened.

John Morgan

3y↑3

I still believe if Vader and Thrawn were in charge of the Empire, it might've turned out better than under Palpatine.

Jones Jack

This was actually touched on in the original Zahn trilogy gram bel ibblies never makes contact even after Palpatine dies he figured mon Mothra would take over

atlantiswolf

As for the Leia thing, it might seem sketchy, but it probably depends on the New Republics constitution. In some democracies, if the leader, or elected representative is in failing health, then someone else, normally a Vice Representative of some form will normally come in and serve out the remainder of the first ones term. Depending on the New Republics constitution and laws, its possible that this form of mechanism is what allowed Mon Mothma to select Leia to serve in this manner.

HistoryFan476AD

Mon Mothma and Leia being leaders of the New republic make a lot of sense to me even in a democratic system. The two in legends at least where the leaders who lead the rebels and new republic to overthrow Palpatine. People tend to flock such leaders and go well since they saved us all from tyranny I rather we keep them in charge and vote them in continuously. Leia and Mon Mothma where also very charming and charismatic leaders with good PR and actually wanted to help people and stuff like that will turn many people loyal for life to them. It just happens people will favour those and keep those they trust and like in power no matter if the system is democratic or not.