Up in the Morning II
The U.S. Marine Corps Force Reconnaissance Lyrics

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Am I Right or Am I Wrong You were sickened at the vowing of silence I was taken…
Born in the Woods Mary had a baby a oh my lord Mary had a…
Elvis (Black flash) Black flash over my own love Tell me of my…
Everywhere We Go Its the real Here we go again Here we go again…
Here We Go Recon Its the real Here we go again Here we go again…
Hey Hey cowboy What you doing here Don't mind the company But yo…
Hey Hey Everyday Hey cowboy What you doing here Don't mind the company But yo…
I've Got a Story I have got you under my skin I've got you deep…
If I Die And if I die, you know I gave it my…

Jody Jody Em sento a Girona el que a Harlem Flacko Jodye Tracks…
No Pain No Gain CORO NO BRAIN, NO GAIN Como átomos las auroras NO BRAIN, …
P.T 快乐的感觉 p p p 心动的滋味p p p p 多晚都不睡p p p p 想和你连线为你而p 寄出的信反正你从来不回 …
P.T. Le torse est bombé Fuck le A et le plan B J'ai…
Superman Asked you a question I didn't need you to reply Is it…

When I Say 'Number One' Why do I lose my voice when I have something…

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@MG-wk2eh

10w

On what basis? The 75th Ranger Regiment is part of SOCOM so it actually constantly deploys and gets to do real shit, while Recon Marines do nothing but train and sit on ships.

You're probably thinking that the entrance standards for Recon are tougher than for the 75th Ranger Regiment, and you're right, RASP is not as long or as hard as BRC, on average a newly minted Recon Marine is 'better' than a newly minted Army Ranger, but what you're forgetting (or don't know) is it's tough as hell to stay in the 75th. It's not an MOS, it's a selective unit.
If you're a shitbag or even just not liked, the 75th will quickly kick your ass out into the big Army and forget you ever existed. Passing Ranger School is just the bare minimum you're expected to do to stay in the unit.

If you pass BRC and earn the MOS of 0321, you're a Recon Marine for the rest of your enlistment, even if you turn out to be a shitbag and decide to do the bare minimum (there is no course that can 100% weed out shitbags, there are very fit shitbags), you're not going to be kicked out.

Then there's the fact the Rangers, in addition to combat deployments, get more opportunity to go to the best schools in the US military.

After about 3-4 years, an Army Ranger is light years ahead of the Recon Marine in training and experience.

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@clouya

9w↑7

My Uncle was Marine Recon in Vietnam. I was told to not ask him questions when I was a kid and I didn’t. I heard he was brave but that was it. I found out right before he died that he had 4 Bronze stars and 2 Purple Hearts among other medals. I found a picture of his 1968 unit in Vietnam on eBay after he passed. Uncle Archie was a humble bad ass

@stevefowler2112

1y↑149

I passed a Recon weekend selection course at Camp LeJeune in '75 and as I met the requirements (Expert on Rifle Range and first class on the PFT...I was maxing the PFT), I got the 1st Sgts. blessing to get into the Recon pipeline. First stop was Recon Indoctrination...a 6 week course known as boot camp on steroids, lots of yelling and lots of humping and running and swimming. Next stop was BRC (basic Recon Course, over half my class was dropped on the first day which was pool test day) I reinjured a stress fracture on my left shin that I had in boot camp. I barely passed the last timed Go/No Go hump, just making time. After that it was Rubber Boat school, and then Pre-Combat Divers school (a real ball buster and you better be a tremendous swimmer...lucky for me I was a surfer and water ski kid from Cocoa Beach Florida who swam like a fish and was very at home in the ocean and lakes and pools). Then Ft. Benning for Jump school. which was like a fun vacation, the PT was light and the chow halls were like 5 star restaurants. The 5 jumps were a blast. The army Instructors and jump masters were all real pros though, no messing around. But it was super fun. In between all the schools lots of field and class room work with 2nd Recon Battalion on the beach at LeJeune. I was sent to Navy SERE in New Hampshire mountains and Combat Divers school in Panama City. I was deployed on one Med cruise and spent a few months on Okinawa doing Jungle warfare Recon Training and some preliminary advanced marksmanship training that was for Recon Marines scheduled for Scout Sniper school, I never got sent to SS school but the prelim training was very good. Had I reupped I could have gotten Ranger School and/or Scout Sniper school but after 4 years I was ready to get on with my Engineering College where I had already been accepted to Georgia Tech out of H.S. (a recently retired Aerospace/Computer Engineer who spent 34 years with a large American defense contractor's Aero and Missile Systems companies).

@Gavinmtb05

1y↑10

Wow, thank you for sharing your story! It's cool that you got so many opportunities in just 4 short years.

@nickgerr1991

1y↑3

HELL YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

@joshcasey8519

1y↑1

How did you only do 4 years? A Recon contract is 5 years

@kathleendobens6648

1y↑2

I spent 13 years in lejuene with my ex-husband. He was in infantry the to force recon. He did 20 army and navy schools in 20 years. Force recon men they were crazy. They would drink all day and p a ck parachutes.

@brucepeckham6043

1y↑4

that was inspring. as a former 'super grunt' mid 1980s, charlie company, 2nd Recon, HELL YES!!!! RIP School wasn't especially long but we lost 80% of our group in the first five (5) days of RIP in the pool at mainside, Camp LeJuene, NC. Back then they just started you in the water for five days and weeded all the 'not super good water guys out.' We were running from Onslow Beach, 12 miles each way, to swim all day and try to pass the water part. There were 10 of us who went to week 2, started with 59. Think we finished with nine (9). Once you got through the water part in 5 days you were half way there. I did not like the five mile 50 pound sand pack runs the rest of the way - along the beach in the sand - got used to it - i had a towel for the blood from the shoulder straps.

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@paulbowen1242

1y↑83

My class started with 78 students for BRC. We finished 35 in the Pacific Ocean in Jan.

@KennedyA53

1y↑12

If you do not mind me asking what dropped most people? I’m interested in going to Recon first and eventually the Raiders and I certainly don’t want to be ill prepared

@hoj2533

1y↑8

@@KennedyA53 any advice you hear will be the same and it’s true, be very physically fit and don’t quit push yourself hard now before you join the corps IE swimming running and calisthenics

@mogwaiman6048

1y↑4

@@KennedyA53 the water, you need to be great in the water.

@klankosova7

@@KennedyA53 You see he isn't responding to your question he is lying he wasn't a marine recon

@robertwilson8184

1y↑1

@@klankosova7 Another possible (simpler) explanation is that he doesn't have notification for comment replies turned on.

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@RamadiTaxiDriver60M

1y↑41

Probably my most proud professional accomplishment is earning the title: Recon Marine. 3rd Force Recon 1991-1995, 1997-2000. 0321/8654/2531
ABY

@calebschutter176

1y↑25

I think this video did a better job explaining what a Recon Marine is then I have ever been able to verbalize. And I was a Recon baby for 10 years lmao. Thank you for the video :)

@paddypace

1y↑180

It seems an anachronism to de-label Recon as special operations. Before SOCOM, Recon would have been easily classed as special operations, though the Corps avoided such dichotomies within the branch. Looking back at Vietnam, MACV-SOG was arguably a joint special operations unit, and Force Marines contributed. Recon guys have even contributed to tier one units like Delta. I think a better explainer would be to say that Recon is a non-SOCOM special operations entity, exclusively employed by the Marine Corps, rather than complicating the definition. We can mute this with Special Operations Capable (SOC), but MEUs in general can be classified as such, including less capable units than Recon. In short, I believe in calling as spade a spade. Just my two cents.

@Thebluesky0311

1y↑3

because recon ain't SOF. You play with words all you want but there is a reason why on a meu recon will be sidelined and they fly in a seal or ranger platoon.

@paddypace

1y↑21

@@Thebluesky0311 reread my post for context.

@Fight4MyCountry

1y↑6

If anything yours complicates it even more. To those who understand how the command system (which majority don't) works, it makes sense. As for the SOC definition, yeah I don't like it either. I just think that it needs to be dropped altogether. You are either SOF or you're not, there's no need for this middle ground which I think is where the confusion starts. Just keep it within MEU and drop the term. Not everyone is capable (not saying they are not) nor is required to be SOF.

@Fight4MyCountry

1y↑6

@@Thebluesky0311 Did you even bother to read, or?

@paddypace

1y↑19

@@Fight4MyCountry I concur that the SOC designation is antiquated with regard to the MEU overall. I am a professional historian and have been researching special operations forces since the early 90s. It seems that the greatest dichotomy with reference to being "Special Operations" has largely come in the last decade, which has sidelined the very nature and capability of Marine Reconnaissance.

With regard to the command structure, there is no ambiguity in stating that Marine Recon is not under SOCOM or a part of broader Special Operations. Yet, not all special operations is or needs to be SOCOM, which is the distinction I am making.

Before MARSOC, Recondos were nonetheless recognized as operators. Individual and short-term unit contributions of Recon Marines were periodic within SOCOM since its inception, even as the Corps retained command of Recon organizationally. Heck, Recon Marines have even been added to SOCOM's Commando Hall of Heroes, such as Major Jim Capers. Plus, many of the tactics and capabilities of broader SOF were innovated within the Recon community.

In short, I am defending a lineage that predates SOCOM and has always been elemental to special operations, despite whatever command Recon serves under. Blessings.

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@dwjunior

1y↑42

Thank you for this. I sometimes get frustrated hearing others say that RECON isn’t special, that they’re just Marines because they don’t answer to SOCOM. I always correct them and say they ARE special!! Semper Fi 🇺🇸

@jk802

1y↑2

You are not special

@dwjunior

1y↑4

@@jk802
GFY

@brucepeckham6043

1y↑3

Marine Recon will always be special ops. It's just that the Marine Corp Commadant elected to state officially (1980s) that the Marine Corp itself was Special Operations, we have no special Operations groups. Then Navy UDT divers become SEALs. They got the movies and the fame

@Sonicmax8728

52w↑1

@@brucepeckham6043marine recon is not special operations. The marine corps as a whole does not conduct any “special operations” outside of marsoc. The whole Meu (soc) thing doesn’t exist anymore and hasn’t in a long time

@kyledanger45

43w↑1

Ya, special in the same way forest Gump is special.

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@allenblaylock4096

33w↑11

In Vietnam Marine deacon had the highest fatality rate w/65%. Yet they accomplished more high risk missions. Avg. 4-6 man teams, compared to the other SpecOps that ran 8-12+ men teams

@thewatcher4552

21w

Our BLT Chaplin was a Nam Recon Marine. He said he lost his whole platoon in Nam once. I believe him like you said dangerous job.

@BallZakc

1y↑12

“Recon kicks butt”

@andrewatterberry2628

52w↑3

As a former Marine, in boot camp, I saw a poster before getting my shaving cut, featuring a recon recruiting poster that was bad ass. I didn’t even know who they were at the time. I heard that is how they like it.

@CalgaryDynastar

1y↑10

Gen Kill was a fantastic show, stay frosty gents

@larrymcinnis3403

1y↑3

You should read the book capt. America is real he was a recon man one of the best

@larrymcinnis3403

1y↑3

After his tour he left U.S.M.C. graduated from Harvard with two major degrees capt. America lives

@eddiebrown8549

1y↑6

As a teen in the early 80s, I bought a Gung-Ho magazine showing Force Recon Marines patrolling a river on the cover. I knew they were badass…🙏😎

@EKG15x

1y↑123

marines are terrifying

@racer14glr91

1y↑28

To a box of crayons! 🤣

JK. They are

@jdog4303

1y↑13

@@racer14glr91 I laughed so hard, I fell of of my dinosaur.

@NickHairston

1y↑6

That’s an understatement

@Nobody-dc8dp

1y↑13

My step brother is a marine, nothing scary about him. Recon marine is a lot different story though

@MaceOfSpades5

42w↑3

Marines are terrefying as is but watch what happens after you take a Shot at their Corpsman or if you wanna make your fate even worse take a Shot at their Corpsman after killing their Officer

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@lumbdrbudhathoki3234

1y↑9

Best of the best ❤️❤️love you from Nepal🇳🇵

@larrymcinnis3403

1y↑14

The best in a long line of the best

@drmarkintexas-400

1y↑10

Thank you for sharing
🏆🎖️🙏🇺🇲

@kenshin73himura70

1y↑3

Marines are HARD and TRAINED! I should know, I am one of them...(retired) but, one of them!!!! Semper Fi!!!

@dwjunior

1y↑3

AWESOME VIDEO!!

@bradenbagby4431

1y↑15

Enlisting in a few months with a 6 year marine infantry contract, hopefully get to try out for recon down the road

@danielalcala1044

1y↑3

hell yeah!! go for it

@dinomra7771

1y↑2

You got this king.

@emmanuelcamacho2442

1y↑8

Get a recon contract there's a better guarantee to try out for brc

@danielalcala1044

1y↑1

@@emmanuelcamacho2442 what is brc?

@emmanuelcamacho2442

1y↑4

@@danielalcala1044 basic reconnaissance course, basically selection brc is for recon marines and buds are for seals

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@sarc88

28w

Thanks for posting this cool vid. 3rd Recon Bn, 1st Force Recon Co, MCD instr, Celer,Silens,Mortalis.

@lucassmith2332

12w

Thank you that the best explanation I've found so far on what my son does.

@scottfoster2639

25w↑1

Class Leader BRC3-96. I was already a salty 10-year Sgt when I went and trained like a madman before getting my slot for BRC. We graduated 4 guys with the 0321 MOS. The class stared with 30 or 40 guys and we dropped about 1/3 at the pool. The rest (mostly) failed or dropped from injuries and the land nav portion. Went to (in this order) Dive, Ranger, Jump, SFARTAETC. I was already Scout Sniper from my 3/7 STA time. BRC was the toughest school I have ever gone through, mentally and physically. Tougher than Ranger School and getting my Masters...combined.

@user-bx3hz6wl5m

22w

Why did you wait to train like a madman when you were getting ready for BRC? Are you saying that you didn't train hard when you were "just" a grunt with 3/7 I am sure your junior Marines would love to have known that you weren't giving them your best. It just proves my point. The people who go for scout sniper, recon, etc are all about themselves and showing everyone else how much better they are than the people around them. Its really all about bragging and arrogance. If you were a real leader and real Marine you would have trained as hard and worked as hard and led as hard in 3/7 as you did in recon. I knew douchebags like you in the Corps and it never failed to show through how much disdain the recon and scout sniper guys had for line grunts. It also never failed to amazed me how many times i read in Marine Corps history books that recon called up grunt units to come save their asses when a mission went bad.

@thewatcher4552

21w

I'll never forget talking to a Recon guy in the chow line on my first MEU very humble dude by the way which is surprising some guys are total d****, He said by the time he finished all the schools and a tour his contract was up. I also knew a couple guys try out but like you said got injured. I had the privilege as a young boot to do a working party for Recon guys it was so high speed. We saw em jump from a Helo at night, we played the aggressors in combat town, then set up targets for them and watch them do tactics in the "kill house" with LAPD swat, best working party ever! Elite of the Elite. SF

@scottfoster2639

21w

@@thewatcher4552 Most of the guys I worked with were pretty professional. After a training cycle or work-up, recon can be very humbling. We did a lot of stuff and you learn to look at yourself in a pretty fair way. We all had our strong points as well as weak points. Once you accept that, it's a pretty good time.

@harveysanchez6993

1y↑5

Wow these guys are freaking awesome they probably are dipping and popping crayons as much as someone who is popping pain killers down the hatch while going through selection.

@dusty2400

15w

If you were a Hollywood Recon Marine, before 85' there was just one place you could be found at the end of the trail at Pendleton. And that place is called Talega. Sadly I hear it's gone.

@mikezacher

12w

I came out of the 3rd air wing at mwcs38 el toro. as a RTO at 3rd recon Bn B Co.. Last duty station was at onlsow beach 2nd recon Bn A Co. for 9 months before discharged. I had no interest in Recon. I joined to be in the air wing.. Was a interesting fit.. The guys I served with were all out of grunt units.. Got recomendation letters from their grunt units. I asked to go to okinawa at the 3rd wing. Since I was a communication mos of 2531. This was before recon was disbanded and regrouped. I did go thru rip school. Now there are more schools for recon.. still as hard.

@docfire007

1y↑23

The True silent warriors! They aren’t glory hounds and they aren’t writing books every other month or doing podcasts every day!

@eddiebrown8549

1y↑2

We’ll always need those Warriors…🙏

@brucepeckham6043

1y↑1

The Marine Corp kept the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Recon Battalions silent (1980s 1990s) because they did not want to show a spotlight and time share with SOCOM.
Marine Corp leadership wanted to keep the Marine Recon battalions (called super grunts) exclusively, to support the greatest element, the search and destroy missions conducted by the rifleman (Infantry), tanks, artillery, mortarmen, helicoptors, and jump-jet Harriers. They call it a MEU today

@johnrodriguez3870

1y↑15

Thank You, Coffee or Die Magazine on YouTube, for this Episode featuring Active Duty Reconnaissance Marines. This brings Me , John Rodriguez, memories of My Tour of Duty with 1st Force Reconnaissance Company, prior to My Crossdeck on over to the Army and 3d Ranger Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment ( USASOC). Semper Fidelis and Celers, Silens et Mortalis!!🇺🇸🦅🌎⚓🪂🤿

@lackets1850

18w

My recruiter just told me my asvab score is too high for basic infantry so instead I signed a recon contract I’m in for a hell of a run😭

@Excalibur01

1y↑5

Swift, slient and deadly

@theopinion9452

1y↑4

I would like to see a series on those MOSs that support combat troops as well,all the prep that goes into,say,an airborne op.

@ronniea.4830

31w

My son is going to infantry school right after bootcamp in few weeks. He always wanted recon. Does he apply for it or get pickuped up while in soi

@dakota432

1y↑6

Fuck yeah some love for recce boys

@Krevin1775

1y↑7

Heartbreak ridge is the best

@timw2083

52w

That was one of my favorites in high school along with Top Gun

@gun_toting_lefty

34w

Damn, I wanted to go Recon in 1983. Just couldn't keep my motivation. Lesson learned.

@jonahhowe8751

19w

I am trying out for Recon in about 6 months. Pray for me.

@holeshot895

1y↑6

Fucking awesome Brothers, Recce for Life!

@patrickkelley6212

My boys! Semper Fi!

@Monkemodenigga

51w

Can you do a video on radio recon

@XtrmTJ97

28w

3rd RECON Bravo Co 2nd plt 78-79.
RIP in NTA,Team Spirit in Korea. Typhoon Tip in Mt. Fujii Japan.
1st RECON DRP 80-82 Jump school and Scuba school in 80, Spent my 21st birthday a mile under water in the DSRV Avalon in 81, Scuba Locker NCOIC in 82.
8654/0369 MOS.
High Speed, Low Drag.

@dusty2400

15w

Which company in 1st?

@XtrmTJ97

14w

@dusty2400 Deep Recon Platoon. (DRP)
Same as Force Recon only just Platoon size.
Plt. Comander Lt. Rey
Plt. Sgt. S/Sgt. Miller
Team Leader Sgt. Ceyja

@dusty2400

14w

Sounds Familiar. I was at Talega 79-82. Bravo CO. Some of those names ring a bell. @@XtrmTJ97

@XtrmTJ97

14w

@@dusty2400 I was in the Scuba Locker with Sgt. Copp.

@dusty2400

14w

OK. I'm not clear on that. If you were at Talega, Scuba gear was held in H&S Company. If that's called Locker I never knew it. All the gear we used got checked out by Alpha Bravo and Charlie Companies, then returned to H&S. @@XtrmTJ97

@mina99999

40w↑1

U S Marine Recon with U S Navy Seal attachments on a recon are pros at laying low. The reservoir dogs are masters of undercover!

@alexkim5089

1y↑2

Had a chance to participate in an exercise with 3rd recon bn and it was one of the most pro-founding experience. Miss shooting the shit while smoking with them!

@GuloYolo

1y↑4

Epic

@miguelangeldelatorreblanco142

17w

Muy buenos 🎉🎉🎉

@froginthewaves8450

1y↑3

Neat

@p-tmeat4435

1y↑4

Recon gets sidelined if the commander is not willing to relinquish OpCon of his Recon plt to the SOTF, or whatever command has requested them. It is dependent on Marine Corps command. Recon has been used numerous times for special missions after MARSOC stood up. eg. Magellan Star. *That does not include war time missions or recent events with the withdrawal (they were extremely active)
The true argument is that Marine Corps Commanders have no idea how to utilize Recon, nor are they willing to except the so-called risk. Which is why they should be pushed to MARSOC. (2) seperate units in MARSOC. RECONDOS don't give a shit what you call them, besides a RECONDO. Or, who they work for. They just want to do work.
But, the Marine Corps needs someone for their posters and videos.

*For you young dudes thinking about going Recon - Recon is currently doing work. On and off the MEU's. You better be good in the water and embracing pain, misery and suffering. Also, stand-bye for 1.5 years (+) of initial schooling. Not including boot camp and ITB.

@brucepeckham6043

Agreed 100% - candidates must be very good in the water, tough as shit, and never know the "i quit" vocabulary. My RIP was extremely challenging

@mixmix1487

45w

Great reply. I was just explaining that the Marines is very weary about “loaning” out their operations capable guys. Command and control they give Out rarely. And as you said, the Marines aren’t willing to risk too much with their reputation, unfortunately.

@danielacker3615

What’s the cutoff to get in?

@deiongoldsmith515

1y↑3

So what does marine recon/ force recon do these days compared to say marsoc? Are they getting deployments or are they just training now?

@aaronjackson2052

1y↑5

Just training

@deiongoldsmith515

1y↑1

@@aaronjackson2052 so no more pirate ship raiding in the red sea? Or qrf missions? Damn that's kinda trash the corps needs to do something with them they're too valuable to not use

@M16music69

1y↑1

@@deiongoldsmith515 tell our co that

@deiongoldsmith515

@@M16music69 Like why don't they post up in Djibouti for deployments or work with marsoc more? They have all the skills like I'm pretty sure some folks in 1st and 5th reg have seen more than them or am I mistaken and just dead wrong which I hope I am

@thenewbonboncompany

1y↑4

@@deiongoldsmith515 Marsoc doesnt need recon, when they have SOCOM recon resources like Ranger RRC and Marsoc is a recon unit in itself. The Marines want to keep Force recon for themselves and not have to give them out to SOCOM. For deployment wise, the Army and its special operations units are more than enough for anything that needed to be done in Africa and doesnt really need recon marines specifically.

@TheLegend-ib2wq

25w

Is there an officer mos for this or only for enlisted?

@amartyaroy3754

1y↑1

Question, do they actually see combat as compared to other specialised units let's say rangers ?

@jacobford1115

My grandpa used to be in force recon

@snakejr9428

1y↑2

Going into marines for recon.

@emmanuelawosusi2365

1y↑1

Nice

@joshmajor8662

1y↑3

3 mins??? Come on man!! 🤷‍♂️ haha 😂

@Kevc00

1y↑8

Could someone explain to me the difference between recon and force recon? Is it just different command, different training, or different role? I get the difference between Raiders and Force Recon, but I've never been too clear on the difference between recon and force recon.

@praductjunior1519

Here you go:
https://youtu.be/4WaDK8pHNMg

@Kevc00

1y↑2

@@praductjunior1519 thank you

@praductjunior1519

1y↑1

@@Kevc00 welcome!

@ryfy9489

1y↑6

its in the video. Force recon is attached to the MEF- the F in Mef is for Force.

@rezzyn94

1y↑10

Used to be more of a difference. Everyone went to BN Recon. If you wanted to go to Force you had to try out and it was for more experienced guys. After MARSOC was stood up Force went away and then came back a few years later. But now it’s just for organizational purposes as the video talks about

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@alstahl8574

1y↑2

2D Recon Bn 75-79 Swift Silent Deadly Semper Fi

@rougeagent3603

1y↑1

What about marine raiders, I mean they're still new to socom but still?

@HappiKarafuru

1y↑1

They are basically modern day Raiders

@matthewwest7906

1y↑1

When I was in high school I wanted to be a Force Recon Marine I was talking to a recruiter but sadly I got a very bad knee injury and wouldn't take me just wasn't meant to be sadly

@underthehood6206

I'm sorry to hear that man. I am still in high school, my senior year. I talked to a marine recuriter and took the ASVAB. Now I wanted to be a recon marine but I'm worried if I fail. Because if you fail the marine corps decides what MOS you get. These guys are bad ass and it doesn't matter if they are spec ops or not.

@Nobody-dc8dp

1y↑1

@@underthehood6206 Go Army and become a Ranger. Have better equipment, pay, and lifestyle. Marine are a very hyped up branch. If you really feel you'll be high value infantryman, the Army has so much infantrymen schools avaliable and programs for you to excel. Recon Marines aren't even special ops, go Army dude.

@whatswithyous

@@Nobody-dc8dp Army Infantry is dog water, culture sucks, and the leadership is trash, equipment is on par with Marines. Switching back soon, cant wait!

@NT_1

@@Nobody-dc8dp what are your chances of seeing combat? I'm trying to avoid that

@Jarhead1086

20w

@NT_1 if you want 0 chance of seeing combat, don't enlist!

@starkparker16

1y↑7

I'd take these guys against almost anybody. Is there an ISA video in the works?

@egaskin9

1y↑7

Basically a navy seal

@chadsusanke6312

1y↑4

No not at all. Recon operates in support of much larger units on average and have different mission sets than seals. Recon has much less funding and spends a lot of its time out at sea when needed.

@bradenjohnson5243

1y↑6

Nah, seals are basically recon marines that wright books. Except the seals don’t even have high speed medics like recon does and they cost less.

@carlgainey804

17w

I would like to join the marines, seriously, they do the dangerous cool stuff.

@MG-wk2eh

10w↑1

Nah they don't. Only SOCOM does the 'dangerous cool stuff' these days. Grunts in conventional Marine Corps units don't do shit besides endure the misery of garrison life and train.
18X (Special Forces) or Option 40 (Rangers) in the Army is the way to go if you're good enough.

@carlgainey804

10w

@@MG-wk2eh oh okay.

@beastraban9282

1y↑1

Louis Stein approves

@ronaldruizjr5944

1y↑10

Now do the difference between Recon and Raider Marines!

@peacemaker-du4hz

1y↑5

Now that is a good one. I've always wondered what the difference was

@newflover

1y↑8

Check out General Discharge they have good vids regarding that. Raiders are basically under SOCOM now so they get a lot more money and get more missions as Recon is at the battalion level in reg Marine battalions.

@mogwaiman6048

1y↑1

@@peacemaker-du4hz MARSOC Raiders are in SOCOM. They're doing what SEALS and ODA's are doing.

@peacemaker-du4hz

1y↑1

@@mogwaiman6048 thank you for that explanation

@larrymcinnis3403

1y↑1

There is no difference it is a long line of the best 782 gear will change weapons will change the heart of a U.S. MARINE and his will and goals to be one in that long line Dating back to MARINE sharpshooters in the rigging of our then small navy this goal will never change to be standing behind the next marine up to be one of the best. Semper Fi.

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@dimasshorts2572

My dad kinda leads recon!

@spookerredmenace3950

1y↑2

ah heart break ridge! THE AK 47 IS THE WEAPON OF OUR ENEMY IT HAS A UNIQIC SOUND OF FIRE!!! hahahaha does his mama know hes here?

@Andre-lt5nm

1y↑1

Please tell me they are still using 1911 as sidearm. A man needs some form of stability in his life

@hoj2533

1y↑1

Nope, Sig m18 now

@SlamDunkMunk

43w

Honor

@angelisone

So that mean the Marine Reconnaissance is NOT considered Special Forces from many countries?

@mike3020

49w

RIP WALT HELM

@pyeitme508

1y↑7

Next need Army Special Forces AKA Green Berets soon

@philstev9888

Battle field life expectancy: 14 minutes.

@manuelamanso9935

26w

What about SEALs ?

@thebuddhaofknowledgemichae2486

Did Marine Recon fall under JSOC in the eighties,
And nineties?

@aye1972

@thebuddhaofknowledgemichae2486

@@aye1972 thanks

@AlexSanchez-cc5hk

Arrugah!

@muazazman3999

1y↑1

Recon should be a component of MARSOC. Big MC doesn't appreciate them so why keep them to themselves? They already have scout snipers and LAR for recon. Why be redundant and have Recon Marines that don't ever do their actual mission anyway?

@mogwaiman6048

1y↑1

Because it's also a recruiting pool for Force Recon. The Marines wants to keep their SOC assets for the MEU's.

@brucepeckham6043

Big MC DOES appreciate the Recon Battalions, but they are short staffed always, with top guys usually going to MARSOC, Force, etc.
The Recon Battalions bring in the cream of the crop (2nd Recon runs all of the combat dive schools in Panama City for all divers). But if there is a war, Marine Battalion Commanders want their own Recon element for the MEUs, assets that are not under the SOCUM embrella. To help save lives and shape the battlefields before they take large masses of Infantry (GRUNTS) into search and destoy kill zones. BTW: Force Recon now falls under Battalion Recon, within Marine terminology, they are called the deep recon company.

@brucepeckham6043

Never forget the fact that a Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) is capable of inflicting self sustained offensive combat operations for 90 days without any support from any other entity. They are built that way with all elements, land, ground, sea, therefore, they need their own recon people dedicated to the MEU only reporting to the Corp only - no time sharing or bullshit power plays from higher ups

@MG-wk2eh

10w

@@brucepeckham6043 On paper, not in reality, and they'll never be asked to do that in reality.

@CarelesslyKrafting

23w

So basically Navy SEAL’s baby brother

@jonathanr9631

What's the oldest I can be to become a Marine recon?

@kars372

@jasontimoch8672

17-29

@brucepeckham6043

1y↑2

I think you need to be in the 20-22 year range after two years in the Marines (already) with a good track record. Best formula is four year contract Marine who agrees to Infantry (0311). They don't take guys in to Recon or MARSOC off the street. You gotta prove yourself in the Corp for a couple years to even get a shot.

@manlion8693

1y↑3

🇺🇸

@killervito

1y↑2

Underrated SF.. yes Seals, delta, hardcore … but .. Marines are special … just facts…

@greendiesel33

1y↑3

🇬🇧💀❗👍🏼

@NomadSupreme911

16w↑2

I'd take Division Recon Marines over Rangers any day.

@MG-wk2eh

10w

@evangoodwin4024

1y↑2

People on here arguing about things they really know nothing about lol. Who gives a fuck if a certain group is considered SOF or not? It doesn’t make a difference to anyone in this thread 😱🤣

@James-hs3tu

15w

The Title

What about S.E.A.L.S. RANGERS. PJ's. Green Berets. British S.A.S. ??

@user-hf8ie8mf3n

1y↑1

👍

@lm-usmc

Yut!

@Johnny_Cash_Flow

1y↑1

Rah!

@ghostsniperable353

1y↑1

Not special forces but receive special forces training, sounds like special forces to me.

@mogwaiman6048

1y↑1

They have special operations capability. But they don't receive all of the same counter-terrorism, Foreign Internal Defense, or force multiplier training that units of SOCOM get.

@ghostsniperable353

1y↑1

@@mogwaiman6048 I think that shouldn't matter. They get better gear, training, more funding, and have a specific job compared to other regular forces.

@mogwaiman6048

1y↑1

@@ghostsniperable353 but it does matter. MARSOC does more than DA and recon missions for SOCOM. MARSOC is also funded and directed by SOCOM.

@norberto169

Man I wish I didn't have schizophrenia

@Babyblue17_

1y↑6

Rahhh

@user-bx3hz6wl5m

22w↑5

I am a former Marine and veteran of Desert Storm. I served with India Co. 3/6 as an 0351 Assaultman ( Dragon and SMAW gunner). The Marine Corps is doing the same thing now that the Army has done for years which is taking certain units and calling them "special" while ignoring the vast majority of so called "regular" units. The only reason why special ops exists int he first place is so that billions of dollars can disappear with no accountability under the guise of "national security" and as an enforcer arm for our disgusting, treasonous intelligence services. A Marine is a Marine no matter what his MOS and the entire Corps is an elite force. In fact judging by its 248 year history the Marine Corps is the most elite and successful fighting force of all time. People will say that is a fallacy. After all would you include cooks, supply , and admin types as elites? or boots right out of basic training? I say emphatically YES! Many time in the Marine Corps history, most notably WW2 and Korea, Marine combat units suffered horrendous casualties and those losses had to be made up by admin, supply, motor t, cooks, etc. as well as boots right out of basic. These men performed brilliantly as Marines always do, not because they are recon or scout snipers or some other group of prima donnas but because they are simply "Marines". I am so tired of hearing about these special ops guys ( SEALs, Recon, Green Berets, Rangers, etc) It's mostly Hollywood made up bullshit. The first special op ever conducted by the United States was the Marine Corps assault on Derna during the Barbary war in 1805. Lt. Presley O'Bannon ( a Marine infantry officer) and his 7 Marine grunts achieved a victory so spectacular that it was immortalized in the Marine's Hymn (To the Shores of Tripoli). They had no "special ops" training and in fact were told at last minute what their mission was. They accomplished their objective through the training that ALL Marines get and because of their elan and dedication to the mission which is a Marine hallmark. My question is if Special Ops is so special why don't they train EVERYONE this way rather than a few? Don't give me that malarkey about money either, It seems we have money for everything when we want to like Ukraine. Additionally, the infrastructure is already there. This would include the mountains at Marine Corps Mountain Warfare School (which I went through in 1991). Last time I looked the mountains didn't cost a thing. How about combined arms training at 29 Palms (which i went through in 1992) last tine I looked the desert didn't cost anything extra. The military already has all the land and armaments it needs to conduct training. It also already has all the special structures such as fake cities for urban warfare training (I trained in those as well). So why is it the ENTIRE Marine Corps doesn't get the same training as so called " special ops"? Last time I looked battles and wars were won by "regular unit" not special ops. I don't remember any recon guys raising the flag on Iwo Jima.

@dongo6988

16w

They go through extreme training to weed out the weak. yeah joining the marines takes commitment, but to go the extra mile takes a stronger toll on the mind and body. Don’t get me wrong, Marine grunts have some incredible feats. But it’s better to have somebody who’s totally dedicated to their craft for specific missions. Plus most people would rather see a SOCOM team breach and clear a compound rather than a couple cooks lol. As for the training I’m not sure of the logistics of it all, but I’m sure the government knows what it’s doing and I’m sure they’re trying to maximize the efficiency and effectiveness of the training. Just remember not everyone is in it to become an elite, that’s the reason there’s different MOS and different schools

@MG-wk2eh

10w

Because most people can't do it. If you want the Marine Corps to be elite then ask why it has to be so damned big and redundant?
The US already has a big and capable land army. Why does it need a second land army that's larger than most world armies, hell larger and better equipped than most world air forces, when the USAF is already the best air force in the world.

Why is the Marine Corps an independent service (only under the civilian Dept of the Navy, but not part of the US Navy itself) when it only specializes in a niche and arguably obsolete type of warfare? Why does the Commandant need equal standing to the heads of the Army, Navy, and Air Force on JCF? Absolutely nothing the Marine Corps does is as important as what they do.

It is absurd. Imagine if the XVIII Airborne Corps demanded to separate from the Army and become their own branch?

There is no reason the Marine Corps shouldn't be drastically downsized a reinforced division, 1st Marine Division, and folded into the Navy. Keep your culture, boot camp, rank structure, uniforms, espirit de corps by all means, but get rid of most of the POGs and focus on combat arms MOS's. Let the Navy take the fixed wing aircraft too.

@dumpsterchild5734

1y↑1

To be honest the US Marine Corps Recon could have been Commandos to be honest they're just like Commandos sometimes I feel like they should never make the US Marine Raider it's kind of weird and awkward to me it feels like the US Marine Recon was screwed over they could have been a lot better they could have been all of it in one bunch they had the ability they had the skills they're just like Navy Seals of the Marine Corps and yes there are more better than the Green Berets

@kars372

1y↑1

Green Berets do it all man. DA, FID, PSYOP, SR, UW, etc Insert/Extract sea, air land, etc. Truth be told a lot of marine recon guys get tired just training or sitting on a MEU while in recon and hop over to do the sfas. Even watch a podcast and a former recon marine went over to the usaf to do that new special recon gig over there. no point going recon in the marines other to look good on a resume.

@dumpsterchild5734

1y↑1

@@kars372 just to be honest they do train with Navy Seals the US Marine Corps Recon and they do go to Coronado California to train it's basically in the same place with Navy Seals train for butts and yes I think they got ripped off by the US Marine Raider and yes they were doing things before the Marine Raider they were doing a lot of things they're always the first ones go out before the whole Marine Corps before the whole Force and they're always the last man back home

@dumpsterchild5734

1y↑1

@@kars372 well it depends on the Green Beret cuz not every Green braid does all of it some are just more of visors and teachers some are just combat and some we're talking about our Alpha group is only a very few who can do a lot of combat roles and yes you can look it up online Green Beret Alpha group

@kars372

@@dumpsterchild5734 doesn't matter how they're trained or who they train with. Yes I've seen and read all those videos and articles online as well, but it all doesn't matter when you don't get to do your job. Understand now?

@dumpsterchild5734

1y↑1

@@kars372 what makes green beret affected because they use a larger Force remember Green Berets do not work in a four-man team or 10 Man team they usually work in a platoon of at least 50 man or more and yes they usually could even use the whole entire Battalion of 5,000 man you think Green Berets are just one little group no green berries golden multiple groups there's really hard to say how many they are but there's multiple groups of Green Berets both arms to the US Marine Corps Recon team do you do everything's in small teams they're the ones who Scout up ahead and always dismantle minds and explosives and take care of heavy forces before the whole Force comes in and Green Berets do not do that that's not their job you don't really scout out like Navy SEALS or US Marine Recon team

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@sin7wu

So they're like Army Rangers?

@jdog4303

1y↑3

No not even close.

@wesleydaniels40

1y↑1

No at all, but that’s not to take away from them .. they just don’t have the same budget

@timw2083

52w

A lot of units do similar tasks/drills but implementations are different.

@thomasvierke52

31w

EloKa i send your target ...- .. ..-.

@HDBujutsu1775

10w

Oorah

@MobileGamingChronicles

1:12 Clint Eastwood

@michaelbcohen

Isnt Force Recon part of SOCOM under MARSOC for the past number of years, and the USMC caved into the DoD for that. I think only one force Recon Battalion isnt under MARSOC. But its origins in the WW2 Marine Raiders is legendary

@issstari954

20w

No recon and marsoc are separate things due to poltics recon was never put under socom basically the marine core didn't want to put their units under a new chain of command and mentain operational autonomy at the cost of less funding marsoc got founded around 2006 when it was decided the marines should have a special operations unit under socom there was the same debate as earlier but the presdient stepped in a bit and the marine core releanted and compromised by being allowed to mentain recon and marscoc simultaneously marscoc took a bunch of really experienced recon members and transfered them over to the brand new marine raiders and got various other special operations units to help set things up such as training and basically overhauled the previous recon pipeline adding some additional training and there was a ton more funding given but this caused a problem since the marine core was a relatively small branch they had a hard time mentaining the size of both groups so they ended up having to delete various units and merge them with other units for recon and had the problem of splitting recruiting pools in special operations there's still alot of issues in regard to this that are still being worked on there's alot of overlap operationally in recon and marsoc but there's a decent ammount of key differences as well like the fact you can get a recon contract as a reservivst recon does more deep reconnaissance missions and recon has smaller unit elements and does less raids marsoc does less deep reconnaissance has larger unit elements and does more raids both can still do the others job but they are more specialized into two different things I would say both are very good at what they do and elite as of writing this comment recon would probably be easier to get a contract written for though marsoc would probably easier to get if your currently in or prior service

@JB-uk7mn

17w

Can’t go 10 seconds without claiming their branch or occupation 😂

@sidoliveira3246

20w

Unbelievable

@ThatGuy68580

1y↑1

That's kind of sad that they are not special operations. They don't get a better budget and are treated like average Marines

@GreenManBad

1y↑4

They are treated 100x better than average Marines.

@ThatGuy68580

1y↑2

@@GreenManBad not financially

@dwjunior

❤️👏❤️👏❤️🤍💙

@offspringfan1288

35w↑2

Recon Marines and Force have not seen a lick of combat in over 10 years. Total waste of tax payers dollars. SEALs and Rangers get the job done. This is a joke, respect to the men, but the waste of money spent on these units is astounding.

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